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Dear AA,
I have wasted (invested?) an entire week-end maxing out my bandwidth trying to decipher the riddle that is Alizee. Using this site and others to figure out as many of the why factors as I can, such as the "Why does Alizee affect me in ways no other pop performer does?" questions that I suspect haunt most of our fellow members.
One obvious question I have seen no hint of an answer to is this: Why has Alizee never attempted to enter the USA market? She has crossed to Russia, japan, Poland and even lists her success in England as her single proudest professional achievement because French language singers have traditionally failed in England.
Well, guess what? No German pop song had ever done well in America until 99 Luftballons (and Alizee has it all over that singer) or any other language for that matter until that special talent who was able to transend entrenched attitudes arose.
What were Alizee's handlers thinking? The Beatles realized they hadn't achieved the summit until America had been conquered, and their success in 1964 opened the doors for the British invasion. The entire French music industry has suffered without someone to penetrate and overwhelm American resistance.
Why has Alizee loitered beyond our welcoming shores? Is it because her mentor has a major attitude against the USA? (Her latest song is "Fuck Them All" after all, so we aren't talking about somebody without an agenda.)
I listened to every interview I could find but amazingly nobody asked, and Alizee never mentioned (in my searches) why the land of opportunity was proscribed from her special gifts. I mean, instead of staring at slutty images of Brittany and Mariah while waiting to check out groceries, I could have been catching up on an angel!
So far as I know, the only time she came to the US was to get married. There is irony there, whether comic or tragic, I can't quite tell. What don't I know?
Brianh
07-17-2006, 12:31 AM
well from my understanding she has no desire to to entertain over here, in general(and I could be wrong) the french just don't care to much for us. She speaks ver little english, and from what I hear she doesn't want to learn it when it comes down to it it's her own personal prefrence, and to be honest I hope she stays over where she is at. All that would happen to her over here is we would ruin her, and I don't want that. where is this song? "Her latest song is "Fuck Them All" after all, so we aren't talking about somebody without an agenda" Alizee has released an album in several years, she is currently working on a third album but no release yet not until september if I'm right?
where is this song? "Her latest song is "Fuck Them All" after all, so we aren't talking about somebody without an agenda" Alizee has released an album in several years, she is currently working on a third album but no release yet not until september if I'm right?
He's talking about Mylene Farmer there.
Urb4n
07-17-2006, 01:05 AM
America is not the land of opportunity, freedom, ect ect, like it was in years passed.
1. Hollywood, is a corrupting industry (whether intentionally or not), she may very well have noticed this and made an effort not to get involved.
2. Another possibility is that, America DOES tend to be beside itself when it comes to almost any issue, that includes the entertainment industry. We in the U.S. have a very close knit circle of friends that includes the U.S. and itself. Europe is even more invloved in Canada than it is in the United States. Why would she be any different? (As far as the beatles success in the U.S. goes, its because the music style was the same and they already spoke English, England is a small country, naturally they looked elsewhere for fans.)
3. Also, she may very well have not even considered it as an option, she looks busy enough touring all over Europe. No doubt, taking time to tour here would literally run her ragged.
4. And last but not least, pure and simple bias. Alizee has grown up in Europe, where animocity for Americans is incredibly evident. Undoubtedly she has lived in a society where America is looked down upon, thus does not have any urge to ever come here. So, as loveable as she may seem, she probably hates you and me both.
==There you have it==
1. Staying away from Hollywood.
2. The "U.S.A./Rest of the world gap".
3. Time constraints.
4. She hates us.
nurvonic
07-17-2006, 02:55 AM
well maybe the other stuff but i doubt she hates us
mando
07-17-2006, 10:45 AM
4. And last but not least, pure and simple bias. Alizee has grown up in Europe, where animocity for Americans is incredibly evident. Undoubtedly she has lived in a society where America is looked down upon, thus does not have any urge to ever come here. So, as loveable as she may seem, she probably hates you and me both.
i agree she might hate American politics, music industry, lifestyle, etc. but i doubt she hates American fans.
I think it comes down to money. It costs a lot of money to gain exposure in the USA. Add to it the fact that no French singer has ever 'hit it big' here. This will make it hard for anyone to get a foot in the door.
Plus, I don't think she has much desire to come to the USA. In one interview she was asked about this, and her response was .. 'America is just too big' .. or something like that.
Urb4n
07-17-2006, 01:22 PM
Plus, I don't think she has much desire to come to the USA. In one interview she was asked about this, and her response was .. 'America is just too big' .. or something like that.
That no doubt supports the idea behind there simply being a lack of time.
I always thought it was the fact that the last time she toured Europe she was worn out and there is alot more to America than Europe.
I doubt she hates America in many aspects. She probably hates the American Entertainment industry... I do... but she seems like the kind of person who couldn't care less about politics and from what I hear, most French who visit here don't want to go back. A friend of mine had two French Foreign exchange students came here to study and didn't want to go back. They were amazed that Americans sit politely in line waiting for whatever where in France they try to kill each other trying to get their tickets/food/etc. Another was a woman who came here to get a job as a secretary and had an immigration scare because of bad paperwork or whatever. She says the economy is horrible there and getting a job is next to impossible because of the job laws makes people afraid of hiring the wrong people.
She got married here as well, so...
I doubt that she hates America.
Matrix
07-17-2006, 05:43 PM
As an american.. i have run that thought over and over and over in my head.. WHY does Alizee shy away from the USA entertainment industry?
I think being a shy person and just being french, she knows without a doubt in her mind... that American attitudes and our sense of humor are WIERD, and she would be ripped to shreds over here by the press for being squeaky clean and for being french.
Can you imagine for one second Alizee doing the rounds here in USA going on the talk show circuit??? Jay Leno, David Letterman, Regis and Kelly, Oprah the way they all interview people.. its just RUDE. Its just silly interviewing unlike anything that goes on in France.
American interviews are bizarre, if you havent noticed lately. Its nothing but put downs and jokes and its all about TV ratings, nothing serious about the interview at all. No wonder Alizee shys away from the USA.
The language barrier the culture barrier... no wonder Alizee stays away from the USA, except to come to get married in Vegas, lol.
I dont blame Alizee one bit for not wanting to come to USA and get involved in our entertainment industry. As an american myself lived her all my life, i dont blame Alizee at all.
America is a rude society, we are not as "classy" as France. Its just different here. Alizee is SCARED of America!!! to put it simple. Alizee is a frightened little french girl who knows she would get slaughtered here in America in the entertainment industry.
And of course that would force her to get mean, angry. And deep down Alizee is a fighter, she wouldn't take that crap and fight back and next thing you know, everyone here in America hates her.. it could all go up in flames in one interview.
Being the analytical mind she has, the computer scientist mind she has... she takes a cautious approach to everything and she can clearly see what would happen if she came to America and got involved in our entertainment industry.
Alizee is not the Beatles. The boys from Liverpool were TOUGH, toughened up from the club circuit in England and Germany before they came to America. Alizee is not thick skinned, lemme repeat...
Alizee is not thick skinned... she takes things very personally. She has sensitive feelings.
As an american.. i have run that thought over and over and over in my head.. WHY does Alizee shy away from the USA entertainment industry?
I think being a shy person and just being french, she knows without a doubt in her mind... that American attitudes and our sense of humor are WIERD, and she would be ripped to shreds over here by the press for being squeaky clean and for being french.
Can you imagine for one second Alizee doing the rounds here in USA going on the talk show circuit??? Jay Leno, David Letterman, Regis and Kelly, Oprah the way they all interview people.. its just RUDE. Its just silly interviewing unlike anything that goes on in France.
American interviews are bizarre, if you havent noticed lately. Its nothing but put downs and jokes and its all about TV ratings, nothing serious about the interview at all. No wonder Alizee shys away from the USA.
The language barrier the culture barrier... no wonder Alizee stays away from the USA, except to come to get married in Vegas, lol.
I dont blame Alizee one bit for not wanting to come to USA and get involved in our entertainment industry. As an american myself lived her all my life, i dont blame Alizee at all.
America is a rude society, we are not as "classy" as France. Its just different here. Alizee is SCARED of America!!! to put it simple. Alizee is a frightened little french girl who knows she would get slaughtered here in America in the entertainment industry.
And of course that would force her to get mean, angry. And deep down Alizee is a fighter, she wouldn't take that crap and fight back and next thing you know, everyone here in America hates her.. it could all go up in flames in one interview.
Being the analytical mind she has, the computer scientist mind she has... she takes a cautious approach to everything and she can clearly see what would happen if she came to America and got involved in our entertainment industry.
Alizee is not the Beatles. The boys from Liverpool were TOUGH, toughened up from the club circuit in England and Europe before they came to America. Alizee is not thick skinned, lemme repeat...
Alizee is not thick skinned... she takes things very personally.
:cool: i want to say that too but my english not good as you :o , good explanation :D
Matrix
07-17-2006, 05:59 PM
I like your avatar giff.. magnifique!
maybe you like my signature too http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5906/loldq9.gif
As an american.. i have run that thought over and over and over in my head.. WHY does Alizee shy away from the USA entertainment industry?
I think being a shy person and just being french, she knows without a doubt in her mind... that American attitudes and our sense of humor are WIERD, and she would be ripped to shreds over here by the press for being squeaky clean and for being french.
Can you imagine for one second Alizee doing the rounds here in USA going on the talk show circuit??? Jay Leno, David Letterman, Regis and Kelly, Oprah the way they all interview people.. its just RUDE. Its just silly interviewing unlike anything that goes on in France.
American interviews are bizarre, if you havent noticed lately. Its nothing but put downs and jokes and its all about TV ratings, nothing serious about the interview at all. No wonder Alizee shys away from the USA.
The language barrier the culture barrier... no wonder Alizee stays away from the USA, except to come to get married in Vegas, lol.
I dont blame Alizee one bit for not wanting to come to USA and get involved in our entertainment industry. As an american myself lived her all my life, i dont blame Alizee at all.
America is a rude society, we are not as "classy" as France. Its just different here. Alizee is SCARED of America!!! to put it simple. Alizee is a frightened little french girl who knows she would get slaughtered here in America in the entertainment industry.
And of course that would force her to get mean, angry. And deep down Alizee is a fighter, she wouldn't take that crap and fight back and next thing you know, everyone here in America hates her.. it could all go up in flames in one interview.
Being the analytical mind she has, the computer scientist mind she has... she takes a cautious approach to everything and she can clearly see what would happen if she came to America and got involved in our entertainment industry.
Alizee is not the Beatles. The boys from Liverpool were TOUGH, toughened up from the club circuit in England and Europe before they came to America. Alizee is not thick skinned, lemme repeat...
Alizee is not thick skinned... she takes things very personally. She has sensitive feelings.
Yeah... gonna have to disagree with ya there on that one. She's based in Paris which is full of rude people. That opinion coming from Frenchies themselves. Many French who come to America do not want to go back because it's a friendly and more open society. Yeah it's strange to them to begin with but they end up liking it better than France, for the most part.
I don't want Alizée to get involved in the American industry because I'm worried it could end up changing her. George Clooney was a pretty mellow guy before he made it big and now he has tendancies to look down at people now if they disagree with him. Sad, really. I would hate to see that Happen to Lili. Not saying it would but you never know.
I hate the American Entertainment industry. I went through my iTunes list today and realized that most songs I like on there I couldn't care less about the band that wrote them. With Lili, there are like two songs that kinda creep me out by her but almost all of her songs I tend to like. Very few I can say that about American Artists, sadly.
But I believe the main reason she's stayed away from America is because it's HUGE. 48 major cities(roughly) in one tour? Not likely.
cybersoil
07-17-2006, 08:43 PM
maybe you like my signature too http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5906/loldq9.gif
Hey... I love that player you have. It's great!
-Cybersoil
Not coming to the U.S. is the most painful thing to know about Alizee. She was so close to all of us americans by marrying in Las Vegas yet I had no idea who she was. She's like the greatest unknown except for those who happen to stumble across her by accident. I know she was married in Vegas, but does anyone know where specifically???:confused:
Matrix
07-17-2006, 10:00 PM
I know her and Jeremy stayed at the Excalibur casino when they came to Vegas to get married, from the pics you could see they were staying at the Excalibur casino... a real french person wouldnt be caught dead at the Paris casino..lol
update... alizee and jeremy got married at the Excalibur casino wedding chapel
I know her and Jeremy stayed at the Excalibur casino when they came to Vegas to get married, from the pics you could see they were staying at the Excalibur casino... a real french person wouldnt be caught dead at the Paris casino..lol
She probably got married at the Church of the West on west end of the Strip near Mandalay Bay casino.. its a very popular wedding chapel.
I could go find out...it would just take some leg work
Thanks for the heads up. I told my nephew in Vegas to look around the strip carefully next time. No telling who you'll spot. I'll be up in Vegas this weekend. I might check into that chapel. Maybe they've posted pics of stars and such (long shot probably)? I wonder what they thought of the Vegas heat when they were here.
Matrix
07-17-2006, 10:31 PM
Well they got married in November in las vegas.. so the heat wasnt a factor then, actually it must have been quite nice.
They are not celebrities here in USA
At least we got a picture of them standing outside the Excalibur casino getting into a taxi... and a pic of them two at McCarran airport waiting to get their bags X-rayed
why you guys like to make i feel hurt. stop and change topic.
will she agree to marry the kid 6 years old at that time http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1647/031ac8.gif ,how beautiful is she in her wedding dress , ow awesome http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/588/013ua1.gifhttp://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9569/040bm0.gif
do you guys have some of her picture in the wedding ??
Matrix
07-17-2006, 11:15 PM
update; we found out she got married at the Excalibur casino wedding chapel. Snatcher 42 posted a link
:) wait for you , cool man
droggo
07-18-2006, 12:25 AM
Dear AA,
I have wasted (invested?) an entire week-end maxing out my bandwidth trying to decipher the riddle that is Alizee.
I personally think there is no wasted time working towards a greater understanding of a foreign culture. I applaud your efforts and encourage you to explore them further.
And enjoy the music while you are at it =)
--droggo
I have been a professional guitar player for almost 50 years. I do session work and like pop music. About 2 months ago a friend of mine from Europe emailed me to listen to Alizee and I was immediately taken with her style, her voice, her music and her beauty. I have all of her work now and listen to it regularly, plus the videos on this site.
Alizee reminds me of the artists from the late 50's and early 60's in that they had squeeky clean images that were real, not the "divas" that we have today here in America that think they are so great. There is no plastic, fake front with Alizee that I see in most alll of the American artists.
Seeing Alizee has also changed my opinion of the French people. It was not that I hated them, but I really didn't think much about them. Now, I read and find anything I can about the French and realize that I have missed out on learning about a culture and people that I would have liked.
As far as talent in America today in pop singers, I don't really believe we have any that truly have the talent. American Idol is a joke to me, aside from Kelly Clarkson, who is showing America that she has something to offer, but I really don't care much for her or the high-up divas like Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, and all the others.
I find Alizee to have the natural approach that I prefer and the honesty in her delivery that I like. It is unaffected and pure, unlike so many American artists that seem just a bit too slick for my tastes.
I only hope Alizee continues to stay in the music business and maybe later on, branch out into movies, if she feels moved too.
cybersoil
07-18-2006, 08:51 AM
And I thought I was the oldest one here.:D
My only piece of advice is... no matter what anyone's age, watch out! Alizee will steal your heart if given only half a chance and I really do mean that. There's nothing more miserable than being madly in love with Alizee and knowing that she's unattainable. It's a very familiar story and it has happened many, many times before. She's truely unique in the world, a real siren if there ever was one and she's not a pretender, she's the real thing. This may sound dumb but I really mean it when I say that she is someone to be both respected and feared. A very serious matter. I'm sure that many who read this already know exactly what I mean.
If you think you're falling in love with her, leave now and never return. You'll be much happier for it in the long run. Or you can join us, the Alizee Army; the broken-hearted, the jealous, the miserable, and the ranks of the undead but loving every minute of it.
Heed this warning... to be forewarned is to be forearmed.
-Cybersoil
captainkelly1978
07-18-2006, 10:58 AM
Cybersoil and forum, I am one of your numbers - jealous and slightly bitter... Just a question to the forum here in the US of A. Has and (guessing...will) Alizee ever perform(ed) in the US? I know she got married here :( !
In considerable misery yet still glad to be here,
Jim
Spartan500
07-18-2006, 11:15 AM
no she hasn't performed here but everyone hopes she does
no she hasn't performed here but everyone hopes she does
Most maybe, definately not all.
I hope for her own good she stears clear of the American Entertainment Industry/Hollywood. I'd love for her to be famous in America, but if it has to go through said organization, I can live without it.
maybe some billionaire will join this site and offer to pay alizee 100 million to come to the US and put on a show ..
that would be nice
Spartan500
07-18-2006, 12:33 PM
ok so maybe not all but most do and if only we knew a billionaire
maybe some billionaire will join this site and offer to pay alizee 100 million to come to the US and put on a show ..
that would be nice
Always is the man who has alot of beautiful dreams :cool: in this 4rum ,hope that will happen .
trofast
07-18-2006, 08:12 PM
I wish she would come to Norway.... :D
cybersoil
07-18-2006, 08:35 PM
I wish she would come to Norway.... :D
I wish she'd come... Myway...:D
-Cybersoil
Matrix,
Thanks. Excalibur for the stay and the wedding, how convenient. It may not seem like a big deal to anyone, but whatever info we get puts the pieces of the puzzle together.
C-4,
The American Idol show reminds me of the american industrial assembly line. Just crank out a new product and market it. The good thing is that everyone on this website discovered Alizee's purity that I think this country needs to go back to. Not saying there isn't talent to be found on American Idol, it's a chance for someone to be discovered.
Trofast,
What was the nearest concert from the past that Alizee performed at? Are you close enough for train, plane or car?
Note to Billionaires: Bill Gates has kids. Anyone know how to contact him?
I think it comes down to money. It costs a lot of money to gain exposure in the USA. Add to it the fact that no French singer has ever 'hit it big' here. This will make it hard for anyone to get a foot in the door.
Plus, I don't think she has much desire to come to the USA. In one interview she was asked about this, and her response was .. 'America is just too big' .. or something like that.
i always imagined it was because most americans are unilinguist (is that a word?) and have a low tolerance for subtitles. and her english translations for her songs leave something to be desired. although, she was wonderful singing la isla bonita.
Spartan500
07-18-2006, 09:12 PM
not to mention that people tend to do what they think is cool and a lot of people make fun of popstars(I am just talking about her first two albums since we don't know what kind of music her third will be like).
i always imagined it was because most americans are unilinguist (is that a word?) and have a low tolerance for subtitles. and her english translations for her songs leave something to be desired. although, she was wonderful singing la isla bonita.
not enough , but we can wait :rolleyes: ,hope she'll change her thinking , but everybody understand how hard is that.
droggo
07-18-2006, 11:48 PM
See a picture of the band Pantera in this forum:
http://www.presence-pc.com/forum/ppc/LeBistrot/recherche-evenement-concert-russie-ACDC-metallica-sujet-6855-1.htm
It's from a concert in Moscow in 1992.
Until Alizee can pull that kind of crowd in the US, I do not think any company would invest in her touring the US at all. The US market is too fickle.
Just my personal opinion,
--droggo
nurvonic
07-18-2006, 11:54 PM
she has to start off slow at first here in the usa. she has to do just one show to show just a few americans whats shes all about, then the word would rapidly spread about her. then she does another show and another show and then she gets to the point where shes so fantastically popular here in the usa that theyd want to do a concert. u dont start off with a concert with someone whos unknown here in the usa. u gotta start slow. im sure thats how it started for her in europe.
Cybersoil,
I like that image: we few, we happy few - the undead, Alizee Zombies!
I have been forwarned - and thanks for the initiation.
By the way, I happen to know a man of my stature would be very much in play should I desire une belle jeune femme française. But everyone has different urges when overwhelmed by a desire to be an integral part of someone's life, I happen to have this massive urge to fund Anilee's college education
cybersoil
07-19-2006, 05:01 AM
Cybersoil,
I happen to have this massive urge to fund Anilee's college education
Go for it!! I don't know what Alizee of Jeremy would think but if I had the money I would do the same thing because of all the joy that Alizee has brought to my life. I just hope that little Anilee grows up to be just like her mother. Think of the possibility... another Alizee in about 18 years. Yeah!!!!!
-Cybersoil
nurvonic
07-19-2006, 05:25 AM
nooooo dont think that far ahead. alizee will be almost 40 by then
cybersoil
07-19-2006, 05:50 AM
Hell... Alizee is going to be HOT at 40, 50, and even 60! She seems to be that type, at least to me.
-Cybersoil
nurvonic
07-19-2006, 06:19 AM
she has to start off slow at first here in the usa. she has to do just one show to show just a few americans whats shes all about, then the word would rapidly spread about her. then she does another show and another show and then she gets to the point where shes so fantastically popular here in the usa that theyd want to do a concert. u dont start off with a concert with someone whos unknown here in the usa. u gotta start slow. im sure thats how it started for her in europe.
back to the topic at hand...do u agree with this or was i talking out of my ass
cybersoil
07-19-2006, 07:08 AM
Smells like shit to me...
Realistically, Americans are too fickle to ever have Alizee over here. Our popular style of music has changed (a lot) since her wonderful style was popular. And besides, she sings mostly in French... not too popular over here. Her music is some of the most beautiful music that I've ever heard in my life but unfortunately for the, "Yo, yo, my bitch is a hoe" crowd (They spend the money), Alizee's beautiful style has long since gone the way of the edsel. Like most things musical style varies from time to time and eventually her style will probably make the loop and be popular again, but probably not anytime soon.
For me personally, and Alizee fans, and just plain ol' folks who like beautiful music, her music fits the bill perfectly... and so does she, for that matter. But for me at least, I've had to use the Internet to regain my interest in music and have had to surf to Europe to find songs like this http://www.box.net/public/o9kjk7vxgs and this http://www.box.net/public/uc2lnxaebh. I gave up on American popular music a long time ago, although we do have a few good songs that pop up from time to time. Thank god for Alizee and other popular European artists like her.
-Cybersoil
nurvonic
07-19-2006, 04:28 PM
hey good point. whats with all these ppl bitchin about alizee not coming to america then, u know?
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 04:35 PM
hey cybersoil that was a great post and I especially like the yo,yo, my bitch is a hoe comment that is priceless
nurvonic
07-19-2006, 04:58 PM
its so damn true too. i hate american rap. except for ludacris. hes my cousin. dont be hatin
in the lollytop interview, alizee says one of her favorite singers is eminem .. lol
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 05:43 PM
in the lollytop interview, alizee says one of her favorite singers is eminem .. lol
do you have that video?
cybersoil
07-19-2006, 07:49 PM
I remember (from somewhere) that Alizee said that she didn't like American type rap but did like French rap. I'm assuming that by French rap she means something along the lines of her own rap song, "Mon Maquis."
-Cybersoil
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 08:24 PM
can you imagine Alizee's 3rd album full of french rap and she starts throwin up gang signs that would be awesome
I'm just kidding though it wouldn't be bad if she had another song like mon maquis
can you imagine Alizee's 3rd album full of french rap and she starts throwin up gang signs that would be awesome
:eek: , Spartan500 --> http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9877/buaef0.gif<-- me
I'm just kidding though it wouldn't be bad if she had another song like mon maquis
i like mon maquis and i hope she will have some new in 3rd album, so , stop hitting spartan500 , but cannot forgive for what did he wrote http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3042/dialaole6.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4646/roinf9.gif
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 09:00 PM
thats funny cause just a minute ago triped over my boots and hit my head on my chair but my chair is soft (like my ho LOL just kidding)
do you have that video?
yes .. i will upload it soon
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 10:07 PM
awesome thanks brad
cybersoil
07-19-2006, 10:31 PM
thats funny cause just a minute ago triped over my boots and hit my heaad on my chair but my chair is soft (like my ho LOL just kidding)
It's Vietnamese Voodoo, I tell you!:D
-Cybersoil
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 10:35 PM
cybersoil if its voodoo it might happen to us all if we make him angry
LOL!!!
Pirate515
07-19-2006, 10:56 PM
in the lollytop interview, alizee says one of her favorite singers is eminem .. lolLOL, that's odd, didn't Alizee say that she hates rap (although she does like some French rap acts)? On the other hand, Eminem is different, his songs have some entertainment value in them, they are not as monotonous as most of the other rap songs are, that's what makes me like him (not a huge fan of him though). Maybe Alizee understands the humor in his songs and that's why she likes him too? Which brings me to another point, being that Alizee's knowledge of English is probably pretty decent. I mean, to like Eminem what he's singing, and if Alizee does then she knows English better than she gives herself credit for.
Going back to the original topic, did it ever occur to you that maybe Alizee never performed here in the US simply because her record label does not allow her to? American entertainment industry these days is all about money. They rarely care about signing on talented artists such as Alizee, they'd rather dress up some slut like Britney or Paris Hilton, put tons of makeup on her and milk as much money out of them as possible. Some of you say that Alizee easily puts those so-called "artists" to shame; well, maybe this is exactly what American music industry is afraid of. Alizee is one of a kind, but she can only generate so much money. On the other hand, American record labels can easily "manufacture" a few hundred more Britneys and rappers. While each one of them will probably generate less money than Alizee, add them all up together and it will be a much higher number. It's truely sad to see that quality is far less important in music business (at least American music business) today than quantity. This is probably not the only reason keeping Alizee out of the US, but I'm pretty sure it's one of them.
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 11:01 PM
LOL, that's odd, didn't Alizee say that she hates rap (although she does like some French rap acts)? On the other hand, Eminem is different, his songs have some entertainment value in them, they are not as monotonous as most of the other rap songs are, that's what makes me like him (not a huge fan of him though). Maybe Alizee understands the humor in his songs and that's why she likes him too? Which brings me to another point, being that Alizee's knowledge of English is probably pretty decent. I mean, to like Eminem what he's singing, and if Alizee does then she knows English better than she gives herself credit for.
Going back to the original topic, did it ever occur to you that maybe Alizee never performed here in the US simply because her record label does not allow her to? American entertainment industry these days is all about money. They rarely care about signing on talented artists such as Alizee, they'd rather dress up some slut like Britney or Paris Hilton, put tons of makeup on her and milk as much money out of them as possible. Some of you say that Alizee easily puts those so-called "artists" to shame; well, maybe this is exactly what American music industry is afraid of. Alizee is one of a kind, but she can only generate so much money. On the other hand, American record labels can easily "manufacture" a few hundred more Britneys and rappers. While each one of them will probably generate less money than Alizee, add them all up together and it will be a much higher number. It's truely sad to see that quality is far less important in music business (at least American music business) today than quantity. This is probably not the only reason keeping Alizee out of the US, but I'm pretty sure it's one of them.
hey you bring up a good point cause didn't MF come out with a song called f them all or something like that
hey you bring up a good point cause didn't MF come out with a song called fuck them all or something like that
becarefull with your words :) spartan.
you are so pessimistic :D , pirate515 . why do we listen to music ? for fun , for happy , so we dont care about what make me feel bad.
Alizée has her own thinking. And the producer has their jobs , they have to choose what the big part of people like , not the small piece.
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 11:46 PM
sorry dvtq I will go edit it
sorry dvtq I will go edit it
At the very least put it in quotation marks. Those are the universal symbols everyone uses to get around "cussing"...
"dammit" -- Jack Bauer.
Spartan500
07-19-2006, 11:55 PM
At the very least put it in quotation marks. Those are the universal symbols everyone uses to get around "cussing"...
"dammit" -- Jack Bauer.
well instead I just put F them all that should be ok
At the very least put it in quotation marks. Those are the universal symbols everyone uses to get around "cussing"...
"dammit" -- Jack Bauer.
it's ok man , i just want to remind him use it as few as we can.
What is it about coming to the US that transforms perfection? A Perfect example of paving paradise to put up a parking lot is Shakira.
For those of you who didn't know she was once Columbian, search for a Latin American Grammy show she did of "Si Te Vas" (around 2003). Here you see a totally different person, an artist completely captivating her audience, stunning them with her diapason (range) and athleticism and passion. It truly is one of the best live performance videos I have ever seen.
She wrote all her own stuff then, so her heart was in her words, every line rendered from her soul, kickboxing and belly dancing thrown in appropriately, and she has dark hair!
But come to America and what happens? Blond, Vapid, Manipulated and the self motivated, empowered hispanic female talent turns into a slut.
Dye Alizee blond, turn her limpid pools bright blue and present her as a prostitute that sings between tricks and hits of crack and BANG - big cross over hit!
Ouch - that's why if Alizee is to come to America and further her career, she needs to work in film. Unknown, she can concentrate on her art, create and launch a new aspect of her career. She'll even have time to take care of her baby - what her husband will do, well, what does he do?
nurvonic
07-20-2006, 06:11 AM
At the very least put it in quotation marks. Those are the universal symbols everyone uses to get around "cussing"...
"dammit" -- Jack Bauer.
lol jack bauer!! "wheres the bomb!!?"
lol jack bauer!! "wheres the bomb!!?"
he will find it in the end , too soon at this time http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2769/cuoinghiengngani7.gif
mando
07-20-2006, 10:50 AM
But come to America and what happens? Blond, Vapid, Manipulated and the self motivated, empowered hispanic female talent turns into a slut.
what exactly do you consider a slut or slutish?
what different about slut or sluttish , noun and Adj LOL
but why he though Alizée will change as that :)
mando
07-20-2006, 10:54 AM
what different about slut or sluttish , noun and Adj LOL
but why he though Alizée will change as that :)
i just want to know what he means by Shakira being a slut.
lol jack bauer!! "wheres the bomb!!?"
"I'm gonna need a hacksaw!"
RadioactiveMan
07-24-2006, 03:55 AM
Is it because her mentor has a major attitude against the USA? (Her latest song is "Fuck Them All" after all, so we aren't talking about somebody without an agenda.)
Mylene Farmer lived in Canada for about 10 years, so naturally she learned a fair bit on anti-Americanism. :p
I doubt that Mylene Farmer would have influenced Alizee much in regards to her attitude towards America (assuming that Mylene Farmer even dislikes America).
I think that she would rather perform in France and Europe because it's close to her home. I'm sure that she feels more connected to Europe than any countries across the entire ocean.
About the billionaire paying her to perform, my mother used to work with Todd McFarlane's wife (Todd McFarlane is the creator of Spawn comic books among other things). They're millionaires but I suspect that considering the only contact that I've personally had with them is briefly meeting Todd's wife I doubt that I could convince them to foot the bill for a concert. Still, I wouldn't be much of a fan if I didn't try. ;)
I wonder if she'd ever perform in Quebec. I don't know how popular she is there, but the language barrier wouldn't be a problem. It wouldn't make a big difference to me, though. From where I am, Quebec seems just as far away as France itself.
I almost wish that I could forget about Alizee and concentrate on something that could happen- like winning the lottery.
cybersoil
07-24-2006, 05:36 AM
I almost wish that I could forget about Alizee and concentrate on something that could happen...
If you take the same route that I did then it will take 12 - 16 months and you'll be madly, madly in love with her for most of that time. You'll see her face everywhere, you won't be able to stop thinking about her, and you may even take a risky trip to France for even the slightest possibility to be near her. And if you're lucky, you may even get to see or meet her... but don't touch! Because the memory of such a soft, warm, loving, sweet-smelling touch will burn in your mind forever more like the unrelenting coal-stoked fires of hell! And because no other woman you'll ever meet will even come close to measuring up; your future wife won't stand a chance. You'll have a miserable life, a miserable marriage, you'll get a divorce and end up commiting suicide.
Good Luck! You'll need it!
-Cybersoil
mando
07-24-2006, 10:51 AM
If you take the same route that I did then it will take 12 - 16 months and you'll be madly, madly in love with her for most of that time. You'll see her face everywhere, you won't be able to stop thinking about her, and you may even take a risky trip to France for even the slightest possibility to be near her. And if you're lucky, you may even get to see or meet her... but don't touch! Because the memory of such a soft, warm, loving, sweet-smelling touch will burn in your mind forever more like the unrelenting coal-stoked fires of hell! And because no other woman you'll ever meet will even come close to measuring up; your future wife won't stand a chance. You'll have a miserable life, a miserable marriage, you'll get a divorce and end up commiting suicide.
Good Luck! You'll need it!
-Cybersoil
thats so...beautiful ... yet so...tragic :(
cane17
07-25-2006, 08:04 PM
Crap !!! its been 1 month for me and i feel the same way.
It's been 2 months for me. I don't want to be healed. I'm now sitting at the airport in Las Vegas thinking about the time Alizee passed through this place. I come here at least once a year to visit family. Last night I walked through the Excalibur hotel where Alizee was married and all I can think about is her face and where she may have gone while she visited here. Geez, that was 3 years ago! Where was I Nov 2003?
P.S. Cybersoil, you crack me up dude!
Spartan500
07-25-2006, 11:21 PM
for me its been 3 months and i feel the same as rcs I don't want to be healed
RadioactiveMan
07-25-2006, 11:41 PM
Yeah, thinking about her all of the time certainly isn't a bad feeling. I just don't like knowing that she's the only person that I like that isn't within walking distance of my house.
Matrix
07-30-2006, 03:48 AM
RadioactiveMan... thats a good point. Quebec could be a place Alizee could come to and perform in a concert on the North American continent, sort of "getting her feet wet" kind of thing that Nurvonic eluded to in his previous post on this thread. Taking things slow, baby steps.
Mylene Farmer lived in Quebec as you said, so Alizee could easily be accepted there giving her time and confidence to maybe move across the border to the USA.
I think Quebec is the link to get Alizee to come to the USA.
But again, Alizee would have to do the promotions and talk shows and I think that is what primarily prohibits her from coming here and performing, because of the language barrier. I think once Alizee learns the english language better, she may change her mind about the USA and its entertainment industry.
Time will tell
we will wait for that day though it can be a long long time http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9055/rigolo061vc7.gif
if she performed in another place ofcourse i will use all of my saving money to get there. or maybe one of you guys can help me http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7574/f09tt7.gif
as matrix said , when her english better than me , she may change mind
i still thinking she afraid about how to work good in US , where have alot of pop star , ofcourse famous than her. not its entertaiment industry.
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