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garçoncanadien
02-08-2007, 08:42 PM
PART 2: PAST TENSE VERBS

Lesson - Section 1: Composite Past Tense with avoir + ER verbs, and the Vocabulary of the bathroom

Congratulations! You have graduated from present tense verbs! Give yourself a pat on the back if you haven't done so already :) or if you are legal age, a glass of Alizé on the rocks :D;)

Hi and welcome again to French Class! This lesson may look long, but trust me, it's mostly because I'm trying to explain things clearly. It's not actually that long :)

The Composite Past Tense (Passé Composé (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/passecompose.wav)) is one of the most important ways to express the past tense in French. As you may know, French has several past tenses, however this is among one of the most commonly used in modern French writing - thus very important to learn first. The French past tense is used exactly the same way as in English - to express something that happened. For example, I finished, I cooked, I played, etc. There is a major difference between the Passé Composé and the English past tense - the number of words required to form the past tense. In English, you usually have two words to form this past tense (or it could be three, like I have purchased instead of I purchased) . However, in French, the Passé Composé is formed always with three words - le sujet (the subject), l'auxiliaire (the auxiliary verb), and le participe passé (past participle). The auxiliaire (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/auxiliaire.wav)can be a conjugated form of avoir or être, but let's do avoir first since it is a bit more frequently used. The Composite Past Tense with Etre will come in a later lesson since its usage criteria are slightly different.

The way to conjugate a regular -ER verb in the Passé Composé, taking the avoir as the auxiliary verb, in French is:

Remove the -ER ending and replace with -é. The word you formed (called a participe passé) is used for all the pronouns (Je through Elles). It does not change. The part that changes is avoir - that is conjugated the standard way for each pronoun. The order of words for a Passé Composé with avoir is: pronoun, conjugated avoir, participe passé.

Let's see an example of the French Passé Composé with avoir in use -

The following example uses the verb jouer (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/jouer.wav), or to play.

<TABLE CELLPADDING="2" BORDER="1"><TR><TD>Nous</TD><TD>avons</TD><TD>joué</TD><TD>au foot.</TD></TR><TR><TD>le sujet</TD><TD>l'auxiliaire</TD><TD>le participe passé</TD><TD>le reste de la phrase</TD></TR></TABLE>

hear this sentence said (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/nousavonsjoueaufoot.wav)

This sentence says "We played soccer". Notice how the Passé Composé requires three words in French, whereas the Past Tense in English requires only two. The other more complicated past tenses that employ more than two words in English (like past perfect) have their counterparts in French - and are conjugated differently than the Passé Composé. They will be introduced later :).

Now - a very important concept must be introduced - the concept of agreement. Remember how all French nouns have a gender designated? The Passé Composé with avoir must agree with the gender of the noun or whatever the past tense is referring to, by adding an -e, -s, or -es at the end of the participe passé if what the past tense is referring to is féminin (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/feminin.wav), masculin pluriel (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/masculinpluriel.wav), or féminin pluriel (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/femininpluriel.wav). The past tense with avoir must agree with the subject of the sentence, direct object of the sentence, or the noun that it is referring to in the sentence if the subject, direct object, or noun is féminin, pluriel, or féminin pluriel. For masculin singulier (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/masculinsingulier.wav) verbs, there is no agreement. You must apply this rule only under the following condition, for Composite Past Tense with avoir:

If the direct object of the sentence (whatever the past tense is referring to) is before the verb, there is agreement. If the direct object is in another place, there is no agreement

Now I realize that was a very convoluted paragraph ;) This would be clearer with a few examples.

A Féminin Singulier agreement

<TABLE BORDER="1" CELLPADDING="2"><TR><TD>Où est Pauline?</TD><TD>Je </TD><TD>ne l'ai pas</TD><TD>vue.</TD></TR><TR><TD>Where is Pauline?</TD><TD>I</TD><TD>have not</TD><TD>see her.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Notice how the verb voir (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson2passecomposeavoirREIR/voir.wav) (to see) was conjugated in the past tense (vu (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson2passecomposeavoirREIR/vu.wav)), and has a letter e at the end. This is to indicate the Pauline is a girl, and in this case the verb must agree with Pauline's gender - which makes the verb féminin. The direct object of voir (Pauline) is before the verb, therefore the verb must agree.

hear this sentence said (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/ouestpauline.wav)

Another example:

A Féminin Pluriel agreement

<TABLE BORDER="1" CELLPADDING="2"><TR><TD>Tu as acheté les fleurs?</TD><TD>Oui, je </TD><TD>les ai </TD><TD>achetées.</TD></TR><TR><TD>You purchased the flowers?</TD><TD>Yes, I</TD><TD>have</TD><TD>purchased them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hear this sentence said (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/tuasachete.wav)

Notice how the verb acheter (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/acheter.wav) (to buy) was conjugated in the past tense (acheté), and has two letters es at the end. This is to indicate the the noun fleurs is féminin pluriel, and in this case the verb must agree with the flower's gender and number - which makes the verb féminin pluriel. The direct object of acheter (fleurs) is before the verb, therefore the verb must agree.

finally, an example of the Pluriel agreement.

A Pluriel agreement

<TABLE BORDER="1" CELLPADDING="2"><TR><TD>Vous m'avez donné vos cahiers?</TD><TD>Oui, je vous</TD><TD>les ai </TD><TD>donnés.</TD></TR><TR><TD>You gave me your notebooks?</TD><TD>Yes, I you</TD><TD>them to</TD><TD>gave.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hear this sentence said (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/vousmavezdonne.wav)

Which translates as "You gave me your notebooks? Yes, I gave them to you" :D Just wanted to highlight the French word order.

HOWEVER

J'ai achet (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/jaiachetelesfleurs.wav)é les fleurs. No agreement in this sentence because fleurs comes after J'ai acheté.

Notice how the verb donner (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/donner.wav) (to give) was conjugated in the past tense (donné), and has a letter s at the end. This is to indicate the the noun cahiers is pluriel, and in this case the verb must agree with the notebook's number - which makes the verb pluriel. The direct object of donner (cahiers) is before the verb, therefore the verb must agree.

In summary, if the verb takes avoir as an auxiliary verb, and the direct object comes before the past tense verb, you must apply the agreement rule under the conditions mentioned above.

That's it for this topic! Let's move on to the vocabulary of the bathroom.


La salle de bain (the bathroom)



http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50224762/Hair_Dryer.jpg
un sèche-cheveux (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unsechecheveux.wav)

http://www.water-ed.org/images/kids-toothbrush.gif
une brosse à dents (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unebrosseadents.wav)

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/trade/article_files/Champion%20One%20Piece%20Toilet.JPG
la toilette (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/latoilette.wav)

http://guide.sonus-usa.com/MegUltraPlushTowel.jpg
une serviette (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/uneserviette.wav)

http://www.nznature.co.nz/nznat/items/images/hairbrushes.jpg
une brosse à cheveux (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unebrosseacheveux.wav)

http://www.seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_seth/toothpaste44.jpg
le dentifrice (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/ledentifrice.wav)

http://www.sz-wholesale.com/uploadFiles/COFFEE%20CUP_292.jpg
une tasse (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unetasse.wav)

http://www.livinghouse.co.uk/acatalog/shower-bath-screen-3.jpg
la douche (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/ladouche.wav)

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/faucet-light-1.jpg
le robinet (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/lerobinet.wav)

http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/241/147/kitchen_sink_drain_small.jpg
un égout (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unegout.wav)

http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50280244/Sink.jpg
un lavabo (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/unlavabo.wav)
**** this pronounciation is wrong for the la part but not the vabo part. Pronounce la as you would pronounce the word la on its own, and add vabo to it. ****


http://www.hurleysgoatproducts.com/finished_soap_wet.jpg
le savon (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/lesavon.wav)

http://images.webz.cz/img/bathtub.jpg
le bain (as in mon bain de mousse, yep ;) (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/lebain.wav)

http://images.foodnetwork.com/webfood/images/lifestyle/kitchendesign/altonskitchen/floor_tile.jpg
la tomette (http://moi-alizee.us/share/Part2Lesson1passecomposeavoirER/latomette.wav)




And that is it for today's lesson. Now for your questions! I know some of you may not like this, but past tense needs a lot of practice to write correctly. So, there is slightly more homework for this and a couple of the upcoming lessons. Sorry! It's for your benefit though :).

Please PM me the answers to the following questions. The auxiliary verb for all past tenses here is avoir unless otherwise noted. A dictionary may be necessary for 1 or 2 questions.

1. Conjugate the verb avoir completely.
2. Please write out the vocabulary of the bathroom that you learned today.
3. Please tell me when to make agreement with a direct object, if my passé composé takes an auxiliary verb of avoir.
4. If you need to agree with a masculin pluriel direct object, what letter(s) do you add to the end of the participe passé?
5. If you need to agree with a féminin pluriel direct object, what letter(s) do you add to the end of the participe passé?
6. If you need to agree with a féminin singulier direct object, what letter(s) do you add to the end of the participe passé?
7. If you need to agree with a masculin singulier direct object, what letter(s) do you add to the end of the participe passé?
8. Conjugate completely the verb donner, in Passé Composé, remembering that avoir is the verb that is conjugated differently for each pronoun, but donner takes only 1 conjugation for all pronouns.
9. Conjugate completely the verb promener, in Passé Composé.
10. Which of the following is not a correct match:
A: lavabo = sink
B: tomette = tiles
C: égout = flavor
D: poisson = fish

11. Which of the following is not a correct match:
A: le dentifrice = toothpaste
B: brosse = brush
C: dents = teeth
D: serviette = toilet paper

12. Which of the following is not a correct match:
A: tasse = task
B: tomette = tile
C: salle = room
D: bain = bathtub

13. Which of the following is not a correct match:
A: soap = savon
B: towel = deuil
C: hairdryer = un sèche-cheveux
D: brush = une brosse

14. Please translate into French: They (either pronoun is fine) walked to the cinema, and they saw a movie (un film).
15. Please translate into French: You (plural) have finished your homework! You can play now (pouvoir jouer, conjugate the 1st verb).
16. Please translate into French: Where are the fruit? I didn't find them.
17. Please translate into French: We purchased a new bathtub for our brand new house (brand new = tout(e) nouveau/nouvelle, please decide whether or not to agree with the noun house :))
18. Please translate into French: You (singular informal) purchased some toothpaste, some shampoo, and three toothbrushes.
19. Please translate into French: The sink was (was = avoir été; conjugate avoir appropriately) blocked. I had to fix it (had to = devoir, conjugated in past tense). When writing, place le/la (please choose the correct one) before the verb fix.
20. Please translate into French: I bought the groceries (les provisions).

aFrenchie
02-09-2007, 08:38 AM
Good gc :). Some little things though:

"Vous m'avez donné tes cahiers?":
You use both tutoiement and vouvoiement in this phrase!
Choose one: "Vous m'avez donné vos cahiers ?" or "Tu m'as donné tes cahiers ?"

"un séchoir à cheveux" (appears in your lesson and in one of the questions):
Although it's not incorrect, its never said that way, but "un sèche-cheveux"

I thought the equivalent of the passé composé was also in 3 words in English. You used "We played soccer" above, but you could also say "We have played soccer" like in French? :confused:

atra201
02-09-2007, 12:21 PM
thanks alot and good job
loving the pics

garçoncanadien
02-09-2007, 01:11 PM
Good gc :). Some little things though:

"Vous m'avez donné tes cahiers?":
You use both tutoiement and vouvoiement in this phrase!
Choose one: "Vous m'avez donné vos cahiers ?" or "Tu m'as donné tes cahiers ?"

"un séchoir à cheveux" (appears in your lesson and in one of the questions):
Although it's not incorrect, its never said that way, but "un sèche-cheveux"

I thought the equivalent of the passé composé was also in 3 words in English. You used "We played soccer" above, but you could also say "We have played soccer" like in French? :confused:

pffff :o :o sorry. I deserve the Alizée bear treatment now :( This is what happens when you write while you are half awake.

will change the hair dryer

well I wanted to emphasize that Passé Composé must be formed with subject + 2 verbs, unlike in English where it is more flexible. I guess you could say We have played too. That's why I said that. I think I will edit my explanation.

merrrci aFrenchie

Rocket
02-09-2007, 01:19 PM
This is awesome. I only wish there was some way to be able to hear the words pronounced as well.

There is a animated show called King of the Hill. Peggy is the worst Spanish teacher. Instead of saying 'Por favor' using a short 'a', she pronounces it 'Poor favor' using a long 'a'. I cringe every time I hear her do something like that.

garçoncanadien
02-09-2007, 01:22 PM
well I'm afraid of getting strafed by ATT research labs if I post a sound clip of all the words based off of their engine, without their permission. Do you know another way? Or is it legal to do that.

aFrenchie
02-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Q: Vous m'avez donné vos cahiers?
R: Oui, je te les ai donnés.
About (tu-)vouvoiement again, the reply should probably be "Oui, je vous les ai donnés.". Although your situation is possible, if the questionner is a student and the person replying a teacher. But you'd tend to think it's the opposite ;)

This is awesome. I only wish there was some way to be able to hear the words pronounced as well.
Rocket, you can use this link:
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php#top
I'm positive that the result is pretty good. The best to choose in the combo box is "Juliette..French".

garçoncanadien
02-09-2007, 03:15 PM
thank you

hey, why do my tables have enormous gaps between the top of the table and the last sentence?

aFrenchie
02-10-2007, 08:11 AM
hey, why do my tables have enormous gaps between the top of the table and the last sentence?
Weird. I made lots of tests (in Preview mode) and I have the same gaps:

Test
<table BORDER="1">
<TR><TD>Test1</TD>
<TD>Test2</TD>
<TD>Test3</TD>
</TR></TABLE>

I remember you already used tables in previous threads and it worked very well. Try to see what you made differently there....

atra201
02-10-2007, 08:13 AM
dido aFrenchie and still no results.

garçoncanadien
02-10-2007, 09:00 AM
magick it's fixed.

meow

abracadabra

aFrenchie
02-10-2007, 09:22 AM
magick it's fixed.

meow

abracadabra
I can't see what you changed? :confused:
Tell me so I can test in my own post...

garçoncanadien
02-10-2007, 09:23 AM
tu dois écrire le code pour la table dans une seule ligne :)

aFrenchie
02-10-2007, 09:29 AM
tu dois écrire le code pour la table dans une seule ligne :)
Right:

Test
<table BORDER="1"><TR><TD>Test1</TD><TD>Test2</TD><TD>Test3</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's stupid. Each new line inside the html code is appended above the table :p

How did you found the solution btw?

garçoncanadien
02-16-2007, 04:03 PM
This lesson now contains full audio.