Gorilla vs Grizzly Bear

[Matrix]

Who would win? I think an 800lb Gorilla would jump on the back of a 1,200lb grizzly bear and rip its head off

Remember a gorilla has fingers and would probably gouge out the bears eyes, in which case the bear would be screwed.

Discuss

[thats amazazazing]

yeah 72 was a good game, miami got denied...

[painbringer]

im gonna have to go with cro cop by left high kick:D :D :D

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but seriously. Can be we serious here please??? we wont know until we put them together. what we need a sick, rich bastard that will do this. come on you sick, rich bastards get off ur lazy asses.:p :p :p

[Twitch]

:confused: Strange thread you started here...
Assuming that they aren't hindered by climates I have to go with the Grizzly. The Gorilla is strong but it isn't a predator (just very territorial), the Grizzly is. Gorillas aren't designed for killing and tearing up flesh on a daily basis, Grizzlies are. A few good bytes and the Gorilla isn't going to have any fingers left to be doing any grabbing. Your asking if a herbivore can defeat a omnivorous predator. And besides Gorillas hunt in packs, bears don't, in a one on one fight the bear has the advantage. Sure maybe if it was a black bear then I might go with the Gorilla, but against the Grizzly I think it would be a good fight but in the end the teeth and claws of the grizzly will do the most damage, and even if the Grizzly loses its eyes it will still be able to smell the Gorilla, bears have an excellent sense of smell, why you never leave food laying around unless you want to be woken up by a bear having your breakfast. And once provoked Grizzlies very rarely if ever back down until the fight is finished.

Besides I've never heard of someone being killed by a Gorilla (except in movies), living with them yes, but not killed, unlike with Grizzlies. But being Canadian we don't have Gorillas, only Grizzlies so it might have happened. Usually once a Gorilla chases you away from it's territory you should be fine, if a Grizzly is after you(it is best not to provoke one so that hopefully it just walks away and doesn't start chasing you to begin with), you better hope it isn't hungry because it might give up after a while if it is only being aggressive and gets bored of chasing you (assuming you can avoid getting caught that long), but if it is hungry and considers you food your pretty much out of luck. But in reality both these animals are not generally aggressive unless they are provoked (myths that they are is caused by movies), if they feel you are challenging them then they will get aggressive, but if you keep your cool and back away slowly they shouldn't even bother you to begin with. Polar bears however can and do stalk humans, are highly intelligent and deadly, so although they might look friendly in Coca-Cola commercials, unless you are doing a project for national geographic stay the hell away from them. (If you want to see wild Polar Bears go to Churchill, Manitoba and stay on the bus. Tundra Buggy.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Churchill-polar-bears.jpg))

Now when it comes Guerrillas vs Grizzlies though I would give it to the Guerrillas any day, bears just weren't designed to be a match against well aimed bullets.

[SupaKrupa]

Intereresting read. Next time I see a grizzly I'll be sure to annoy it :D

And yes, the bear would shred a gorilla apart. Hmm... I wanna fight a gorilla one day just for fun.

[Edcognito]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles FTW!


:P

Ed

[c-dawg777]

just a little info on Bart the bear... 1,500 pounds, standing 9-1/2 feet tall. Food consumption was 60lbs a day.
Bart and his adoption father, Doug Seus

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/8/4/12/f_newphotom_58e6d5d.jpg

The Griz can move at speeds up to 35mph, has six inches of solid bone in his forward skull and has the strength to rip a gorilla in half. It is not only large, but fast also. A gorilla wouldn't have time to jump on the bears back before the bear knocked his head off. There i did what i could to help your thread Matrix, but i don't know how many other people are going to care enough to respond...:(

[Drake498]

Gorilla's are smarter...

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/5/b/b/gorilla.jpg

:eek: SEE!!!!! :blink:

Gorilla FTW :D

[rcs]

Painbringer,

Crocop is the man, indeed.

[AlphaQuattro]

Gorilla's don't have the same cutting utensils as bears do:

http://www.deltana.com/alaska-brown-bear-hunting/images/jens_bear_claw.jpg

[RadioactiveMan]

Furthermore, bears have the capacity to be pirates, but who has ever heard of a pirate gorilla?

http://www.costumesofnashua.com/CNWebSite105/Active905/Pages/Mascot/PicsMascot/MascotAJ127A.jpg

[AlphaQuattro]

But then, I suppose it depends on which gorilla the bear has to deal with

http://www.filmtotaal.nl/images/wallpapers/full/kingkong/2_1024.jpg

[AlphaQuattro]

THIS one however, could take out as many bears as he wants to :

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/139500/139766mRTQ_w.jpg

[Spartan500]

i did not read the whole thread but right from the start i think of that old discovery channel or animal planet show where they see which animal would win o and gorilla would win

[Matrix]

A gorilla is much more intelligent than a grizzly bear. A gorilla would grab the nearest weapon, like a tree trunk or huge boulder and pick it up and whack the grizz.

Grizzly- huge claws, fangs, thick skin, tough bones, small brain

Gorilla- sharp nails, fangs, thick skin, tough bones-as dense as a bear if not more, stronger- amazing strength- much stronger than a grizz by a wide margin, and intelligence

Grizzly can't grab a weapon and use it, a Gorilla can

Winner- Gorilla

[Twitch]

I've seen videos of charging Grizzlies snap trees with 3 to 4 inch diameters, I don't think any tree the Gorilla could handle would do it much good. And bears aren't stupid, this page(http://www.all-creatures.org (http://www.all-creatures.org/bear/b-bearintel.html)) has this to say: The thing about bears that perhaps fascinates people the most is their remarkable intelligence. They are the most intelligent native nonhuman animals in North America, and many modern bear biologists accredit them with the equivalent IQ of the great apes, some even dare give them the equivalent intelligence of a 3-year-old human.
So about equal intelligence, greater strength and weight, and equipped with claws and teeth designed for ripping flesh, I still gotta stay with the Grizzly. And as for weapons this Caribou's (aka Reindeer) antlers were of no use to it when confronted with a female Grizzly with cubs, so I don't think any tree trunk wielding Gorilla would slow a Grizzly down much. And besides the Grizzly is a weapon, it doesn't need any help.
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And no the Caribou didn't survive (it is not that graphic just the cubs eating then playing a bit before the river carries the Caribou away):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouy_CTxSVSo

I also think that Grizzlies have higher tolerances for pain than Gorillas, and would stick it out longer for the win. Here is a fight only to prove superiority, not to kill or leave each bear wounded enough so that they die from their wounds. The cameraman is dead, along with his girlfriend, later killed a by Grizzlies that they were filming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vvkloC-Ac

[AlphaQuattro]

http://www.vueweekly.com/upload/70fa08ea-88bc-46d1-be75-4f1bd8995ce2.jpg

[WyomingGrizFan]

I've have to definitely agree with 'Twitch.' Them grizzlies can get down right mean if they ever want to. I came across one when hiking one day in Glacier NP in Montana, near Craker Lake by Many Glacier. Luckily it wasn't very hungry at the time even though it was digging up ground squirrels, roots, etc. I probably would have walked right into him except my hiking partner noticed it up ahead and alerted me. With no trees around to climb up we just silently turned around and walked away on to one side of the lake while the griz kind of stalked us but going around to the other shore, so to speak. Maybe it was the dense foilage we stepped into and through that may have deterred it. Thankfully.

A couple weeks later near Swiftcurrent it attacked a couple hiking putting a gash requiring stitches in the nape of the neck on one and breaking both wrists of the male hiker that tried to fight the griz off his female companion that had dropped to the ground, evidently into a fetal position; should cover the neck with both hands cupped I would say. The rangers ran out of tranquilizer bullets and had to end up shooting it to death; unfortunately but a couple years old male but a large one nontheless.

I'am probably pretty partial to the griz anyways since I've spent most of my time working in areas where they are rather prevalent. Forty-six counted on Huckleberry Mountain for instance one day. Heard tell that a griz could just swat a black bear away with one swipe and that's it; no contest. I'd probably say the same for a gorilla. That griz has no fat, I would say; but pure muscle and bone.

[painbringer]

I've seen videos of charging Grizzlies snap trees with 3 to 4 inch diameters, I don't think any tree the Gorilla could handle would do it much good. And bears aren't stupid, this page(http://www.all-creatures.org (http://www.all-creatures.org/bear/b-bearintel.html)) has this to say:
So about equal intelligence, greater strength and weight, and equipped with claws and teeth designed for ripping flesh, I still gotta stay with the Grizzly. And as for weapons this Caribou's (aka Reindeer) antlers were of no use to it when confronted with a female Grizzly with cubs, so I don't think any tree trunk wielding Gorilla would slow a Grizzly down much. And besides the Grizzly is a weapon, it doesn't need any help.
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And no the Caribou didn't survive (it is not that graphic just the cubs eating then playing a bit before the river carries the Caribou away):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouy_CTxSVSo

I also think that Grizzlies have higher tolerances for pain than Gorillas, and would stick it out longer for the win. Here is a fight only to prove superiority, not to kill or leave each bear wounded enough so that they die from their wounds. The cameraman is dead, along with his girlfriend, later killed a by Grizzlies that they were filming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vvkloC-Ac

man that caribou... bad move bad move . he should of jabbed with the hoof first then turn and land a big kick to the bear's head. i mean come on.

[Twitch]

Well it could have gone either way, when the caribou's antlers aren't in velvet (growing and covered in fur) it is possible for them to impale a bear with them, but the best thing for the caribou to have done would have been to have kept running as the bear would not have abandoned the cubs to keep chase, but then it could have been protecting a doe or calf of it's own.

[SupaKrupa]

Thanks for the videos. Love nature.

Research shows me that the grizzly is 1.5 times as tall and more than 2 times in weight. It's more ferocious. However, when I try to vision a fight between the two, I could see a gorilla winning as much as I can see a bear.

[Geech]

I'm a go with the Gorilla... They are some crazy mofo's :-p

[Ernest]

Great photo Alpha . . . GO . . . GO . . . Gorilia . . .

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

Pah, whilst the gorilla and the grizzly may be king of the hill in some places, they should just be happy they have not had to meet this viscious beast:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urJYOhnxkYM

It's not much bigger than a tabby cat, but what do you think ate all the bears / wolves / gorillas / lions / tigers / dinosaurs in the UK? By default it is the king of beasts.;)

[RadioactiveMan]

I had assumed that it was the British that did that.

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

I had assumed that it was the British that did that.

Nah, that's just one interpretation.

You should always believe a Scotsman when he warns you about viscious animals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg&mode=related&search=

[Edcognito]

Nah, that's just one interpretation.

You should always believe a Scotsman when he warns you about viscious animals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg&mode=related&search=

I can't follow the link, because i'm at work - but if i remember correctly, "TIM" warned King Aurther about the "Rabbit"...... Was that your clip?

Grizzly by a long shot - I don't even think the Gorilla would stand a chance...

Ed:cool:

[roaddemon]

That would be like a ninja fighting a sumo wrestler. A 500 lb. silverback Gorrilla would win by shear speed and manueverability. It won't stand still and wrestle like another bear. The gorrillas strength is unquestionable and it has equal weapons. A gorrillas knuckeled punch is like a 20lb steel sledge hammer thrown the speed and accuracy of a professional boxer. He could easily wound or crush the scull of a grizzly with one punch. Silverbacks are built for defense against attack to it's clan. I've seen what they can do. Toatally unbelievable ferocity and power. A grizzly might have a chance in a cage but not in the open wild. The grizz would not even get close enough to an angry silverback to cause injury. They are really fast, powerful and able to move around like a monkey.

[Chommpers]

Yeah at first I was think grizzly all the way, but now I'm not so sure. I think I could see a Gorilla takeing the grizzly down.

[Edcognito]

That would be like a ninja fighting a sumo wrestler. A 500 lb. silverback Gorrilla would win by shear speed and manueverability. It won't stand still and wrestle like another bear. The gorrillas strength is unquestionable and it has equal weapons. A gorrillas knuckeled punch is like a 20lb steel sledge hammer thrown the speed and accuracy of a professional boxer. He could easily wound or crush the scull of a grizzly with one punch. Silverbacks are built for defense against attack to it's clan. I've seen what they can do. Toatally unbelievable ferocity and power. A grizzly might have a chance in a cage but not in the open wild. The grizz would not even get close enough to an angry silverback to cause injury. They are really fast, powerful and able to move around like a monkey.

Gorilla = Omniverous Herbivore
Grizzly = Omniverous Predator

Grizzly - Fight to kill
Gorilla - Posture and threaten to maintain its spot in the tribe.

Grizzly - 4" claws and a bite whose force is measured in tons
Gorilla - a brain, agility (which a bear has to - to be honest) - and opposable thumbs.....

Grizzly w/o a doubt

Ed:cool:

[roaddemon]

Gorilla = Omniverous Herbivore
Grizzly = Omniverous Predator

Grizzly - Fight to kill
Gorilla - Posture and threaten to maintain its spot in the tribe.

Grizzly - 4" claws and a bite whose force is measured in tons
Gorilla - a brain, agility (which a bear has to - to be honest) - and opposable thumbs.....

Grizzly w/o a doubt

Ed:cool:

grizzly will fight to protect cubs, Gorilla will fight to protect tribe. Both will fight till threat is neutralized. Gorilla bite not measured but it's large thick muscled neck and head and large cannines suggest huge force. Bear claws won't kill or disable a gorilla. Gorillas are very thick skinned and can withstand the thick brush and tree branches of the jungle without damage while rummaging through it. Gorillas are like humans in that they can evaluate and manipulate the situation to thier advantage. Grizzly is a straight instinctive fighter and ornery as hell when threatened. The ape would attack,outwit, retreat , then attack doing the same thing again and again frustrating the bear in rage. The bear would eventually give up and leave. Gorilla attacks on humans are similar to bear attacks on humans. Victims of gorilla attacks describe being tossed around like rag dolls with no escape. Scalps torn off, severe maulling and deep puncture wounds left for dead. Like bears the attack ends when the victims appear dead or neutralized. Bears posture just like Gorillas before a fight or dominance. Most animals do. Gorillas are fierce athletic fighters. They can handle many times thier weight by compact muscle leverage and strength. I think a large gorilla could man handle a grizzly without personal injury. They are tough defenders. It would be a stand off unless the ape breaks the bears jaw and teeth with a mighty straight jab like they are known to exhibit. Gorillas punch straight like humans, they don't swat. Full leverage and force is in a straight line. Bears can't do that. Apes have arms longer than thier height. Another physical advantage over bears. Apes can use the physical enviroment of trees to attack and retreat. Gorillas have no natural enemies. They are top of the food chain like bears.

Ape all the way.

[Drake498]

:D :D :D Welcome to the site roaddemon!!! :D :D :D
It's great to have you with us, we are always excited to have new members, everyone on here is usually friendly :p and very helpful ;)
We are glad that you love Alizée as much as most of us do :wub:
And if you're confused :confused: about anything please feel free to ask or post anything, and we'll answer anything as best we can ;)
Hmmm :blink: you should prolly intoduce yourself next :)
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Thanks for coming and enjoy the videos, boards, pics and chat!! :D

[aditya8617]

nice job Drake. Maybe Brad should hire you to market the website, you seem good at it.

Between bear and gorilla I think bear must win as we know Alizee killed a bear and so the gorilla must have lost else we would have seen Alizee killing a gorilla.

[Edcognito]

grizzly will fight to protect cubs, Gorilla will fight to protect tribe. Both will fight till threat is neutralized. Gorilla bite not measured but it's large thick muscled neck and head and large cannines suggest huge force. Bear claws won't kill or disable a gorilla. Gorillas are very thick skinned and can withstand the thick brush and tree branches of the jungle without damage while rummaging through it. Gorillas are like humans in that they can evaluate and manipulate the situation to thier advantage. Grizzly is a straight instinctive fighter and ornery as hell when threatened. The ape would attack,outwit, retreat , then attack doing the same thing again and again frustrating the bear in rage. The bear would eventually give up and leave. Gorilla attacks on humans are similar to bear attacks on humans. Victims of gorilla attacks describe being tossed around like rag dolls with no escape. Scalps torn off, severe maulling and deep puncture wounds left for dead. Like bears the attack ends when the victims appear dead or neutralized. Bears posture just like Gorillas before a fight or dominance. Most animals do. Gorillas are fierce athletic fighters. They can handle many times thier weight by compact muscle leverage and strength. I think a large gorilla could man handle a grizzly without personal injury. They are tough defenders. It would be a stand off unless the ape breaks the bears jaw and teeth with a mighty straight jab like they are known to exhibit. Gorillas punch straight like humans, they don't swat. Full leverage and force is in a straight line. Bears can't do that. Apes have arms longer than thier height. Another physical advantage over bears. Apes can use the physical enviroment of trees to attack and retreat. Gorillas have no natural enemies. They are top of the food chain like bears.

Ape all the way.

Gorilla bite not measured but it's large thick muscled neck and head and large cannines suggest huge force.

Actually - On Discovery Channel - they measured a Gorilla bite - its not a whole lot (sorry - can't find the reference now) - It was something about gorilla vrs. shark (i believe) - The Bite of the Gorilla was not that devistating.

And i believe that you missed my whole point - The Bear is a predator/omnivore, while the gorilla is an Herbivore/Omnivore - thier entire psychies are different - In a straight up fight, the bear would win, because he wouldn't be using Marquis of Queensbury rules! :)


Ed:cool:

[roaddemon]

Gorilla bite not measured but it's large thick muscled neck and head and large cannines suggest huge force.

Actually - On Discovery Channel - they measured a Gorilla bite - its not a whole lot (sorry - can't find the reference now) - It was something about gorilla vrs. shark (i believe) - The Bite of the Gorilla was not that devistating.

And i believe that you missed my whole point - The Bear is a predator/omnivore, while the gorilla is an Herbivore/Omnivore - thier entire psychies are different - In a straight up fight, the bear would win, because he wouldn't be using Marquis of Queensbury rules! :)


Ed:cool:

Animal bite force

tiger=1525lbs
gorilla=1300 to 1400 lbs
brown bear =730lbs
(I need 5 posts before I can post the url I got this from. forum rules)

Not too shabby, good enough to defend itself against a bear.
buffallo bulls are not preditor and kill grizzly when herd and harem are attacked. That shoots down the preditor psych theory.

[roaddemon]

post 4 so I can post a url that supports everthing I said.

[roaddemon]

post 5, now, next post I can post the url that supports the gorilla has a greater strike force than a grizzly and would kill the grizzly in a fight.

[roaddemon]

hope it submits,

5. male alpha gorilla vs. similar orang-utan (4/5). ticketoride (http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts113697.aspx) considers a fight between a grizzly and a gorilla. He says that a gorilla has a higher strike force than a grizzly and could kill the bear. It can lift 10 times its own bodyweight. Its bite force may be 1,300-1,400 pounds of force. A silverback can become very enraged if attacked or if his family is threatened. I only found one site mentioning a fight between a gorilla and an orang-utan, but I couldn't open it. I would give my vote to the gorilla for this one – it is stronger, bigger and more powerful. The orang-utan has a powerful armspan, but I don't think it has any other major advantages against the gorilla.

I REST MY CASE

Hey, even a cougar can whip a grizzley. They are big wimps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&NR

[Drake498]

nice job Drake. Maybe Brad should hire you to market the website, you seem good at it.
I have already addressed this if you're interested :p
Drake apparently has taken the role of Greeter! :)lol :D well its always nice to be welcomed wherever you go, and these are friendly boards and it gives every new member a very warm feeling to be welcomed :p besides, i like making people happy or comfortable ;) (or at least try to >_<)
Just being nice to everyeone :D