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paleddy62

05-29-2007, 12:46 AM

That is so nice....goes to show she is the sparkle of our universe.:D

That's not really a fair comparison: the Alizée pic is a dissolve done in editing, whereas Mylene's image is actually being projected on that wall of water. In other words, that's what you saw when you were there live!

I'm sorry, I like Lili more, but if you're just comparing sheer spectacle between these two shots, it's Mylene hands-down.

It must be to early for my brain unless we are looking at 2 different pics. The link that was posted shows Lili....looked all over and don't see Mylene or wall of water. Must need more coffee....lol.

Ben

05-29-2007, 12:54 AM

It must be to early for my brain unless we are looking at 2 different pics. The link that was posted shows Lili....looked all over and don't see Mylene or wall of water. Must need more coffee....lol.
garçoncanadien's post, 7th down on the first page...

OGRE

05-29-2007, 12:56 AM

Lol. Somehow that wasn't the comparison I was expecting from anyone. :D

Resistance is futile, no doubt. We will be (have been?) assimilated.

kdn

05-29-2007, 01:00 AM

Not in France...
France is not the internet...

SupaKrupa

05-29-2007, 01:09 AM

That's a wonderful cap. Thanks.

Ben

05-29-2007, 01:13 AM

France is not the internet...
It's part of it. She's only more popular on the Internet from a foreign perspective. We've seen how French fans are often shocked to find us, because there Mylene is more well known and has many more fans, sites, and forums.

Have you been to any French Mylene forums? Crazy places! Very active, with many insane fans. And there are tons of them, compared to only really two of note for Alizée (Alliance and Fanclub).

Overall it balances out. A quick google fight (http://www.googlefight.com) shows them coming in about equal, depending on accents (tip goes to Alizée with, to Mylene without... don't even try with last names, though of course that wouldn't be fair).

kdn

05-29-2007, 01:23 AM

have you been in any French Mylene forums? Crazy places :).
Which one?

Overall it balances out. A quick google fight (http://www.googlefight.com) shows them coming out about equal, depending on accents (tip goes to Alizée with, to Mylene without).
Actually number of results have nothing to do with popularity. It's about how many people enter those keywords into the search box and click the search button.

On the internet, Lili is many time more famous than Mylène. It's a solid fact.

Ben

05-29-2007, 01:39 AM

Which one?
Any:
http://www.mylenefarmeriscalled.net/
http://plusdemylenefarmer.forumactif.com/
http://pardonnenous.forumactif.com/
http://mylene.forumactif.com/
http://www.mfarmer.com/
Others...

On the internet, Lili is many time more famous than Mylène. It's a solid fact.
How do you define more famous on the internet? By number of sites? She does have more in languages other than French, especially English and Spanish, but far fewer in her own. Me, I'd count all sites, French and non-French, in which case I don't know who's "officially" more popular, but it's relativley close.

CFHollister

05-29-2007, 01:45 AM

Ok, let's forget the internet. I think this would hold up based on record sales (though I leave it to someone else to get the data):

French Popularity:
Mylène > Alizée

International Popularity:
Alizée > Mylène

Not that I really care overmuch; Alizée's #1 with me on all counts (sorry Amelie ;)) and that's just the way she goes...

paleddy62

05-29-2007, 01:48 AM

garçoncanadien's post, 7th down on the first page...

Okay...now I see it...wasn't opening the first time..thanks.:)

heyamigo

05-29-2007, 01:56 AM

Resistance is futile, no doubt. We will be (have been?) assimilated.

haha, seriously we were so easily assimilated but we never resisted! you'd be crazy to resist...

oh and about MF vs lily, lily's internet popularity might be greater in the narrow scope of the recent times, but the longevity (past and future) of MF's internet popularity will outlast and be greater than lily's. if you're talking about this very moment, maybe you can say lily, but lily's internet popularity level is probably not sustainable over a long period of time. especially now that lily's grown up and is a mother and parted ways with MF.

Ben

05-29-2007, 01:58 AM

French Popularity:
Mylène > Alizée

International Popularity:
Alizée > Mylène
That's probably correct, though you should also add a third comparison, based on whatever criteria you'd like (websites, number of fans, record sales, etc.):

Total Popularity (France + Rest of World)
Mylène > Alizée

Look, Alizée's #1 for me too, and I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate between them, but that's just the truth guys.

CFHollister

05-29-2007, 02:03 AM

haha, seriously we were so easily assimilated but we never resisted! you'd be crazy to resist...

Yeah. It's not like I had any natural defences against Alizée anyway. Even if I had offered any resistance, it would have certainly crumbled futilely. I mean, stick on a JPVA (more powerful than JEAM for me) and I'm done for :wub:

heyamigo

05-29-2007, 02:05 AM

Ok, let's forget the internet. I think this would hold up based on record sales (though I leave it to someone else to get the data):

International Popularity:
Alizée > Mylène

theres noway you can say alizee's international popularity is greater than mylenes. its like comparing madonna to britney or something. one has accumlated millions of fans worldwide over a career marked by longevity while one is a short lived star who had few sparks of unsustainable popularity. i mean mylene is huge in all of europe not just francophone countries and her albums have topped the charts in way more countries (just not named US), and is pretty much worshipped by her fans like a goddess.

this is like.... the fairy godmother vs the fairy. not even close...

CFHollister

05-29-2007, 02:07 AM

Look, Alizée's #1 for me too, and I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate between them, but that's just the truth guys.

Yeah, but like I said, I only really care about who's #1 with me (clearly Alizée). The only thing that would really qualify that for me is whether Alizée is happy with her popularity... If she's happy, I'm happy. Only if she weren't would I care if her popularity was really less than Mylène's. But I'm not too worried about that either... I don't think Alizée is trying to compete with Mylène.

kdn

05-29-2007, 02:09 AM

Any:
http://www.mylenefarmeriscalled.net/
http://plusdemylenefarmer.forumactif.com/
http://pardonnenous.forumactif.com/
http://mylene.forumactif.com/
Others...

Yeah, I visited those sites. :) Not very impressed though...
The biggest one is mylene.forumactif.com, it's big but it's still nowhere remotely close to Lilis' fan forums.

How do you define more famous on the internet? By number of sites?
It's defined by the number of searches which is done by fans and non-fans. It's the number of peoples, not the number of webpages contain the keyword. The more people know about a celebrity, the more famous that celebrity is. Right?

Some results from my research:

keywords alizee, alizée, mylene, mylène

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/474/untitledvf6.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6767/untitled2in8.jpghttp://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5996/untitled3vh3.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5426/untitled5vn5.jpghttp://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6964/untitled4do9.jpg

Drake498

05-29-2007, 02:13 AM

^sheesh :rolleyes:

SupaKrupa

05-29-2007, 02:18 AM

The shallow comparison:

Alizée > Mylene

:)

Ben

05-29-2007, 02:22 AM

Yeah, I visited those sites. :) Not very impressed though...
The biggest one is mylene.forumactif.com, it's big but it's still nowhere remotely close to Lilis' fan forums.
How so?

mylene.forumactif.com
Members: 13,273 | Posts: 1,048,318
mylenefarmeriscalled.net
Members: 7,688 | Posts: 2,118,263

alizee-forum.com
Members: 6,011 | Posts: 541,464
alizeealliance.net
Members: 970 | Posts: 100,560

Also, I don't think those search statistics really mean much because it's a relativley small time sample, and how many of them were just people looking for a pic or two of some babe (a problem which at 42 years old Mylene has less of), versus real fans?

kdn

05-29-2007, 02:31 AM

How so? It has about twice as many members as Alizée-Forum, and I don't see where to check there, but mylenefarmeriscalled has about 4x as many posts.

I agreed that they are very big (in post counts).
Actually I have something to prove otherwise but it's a bad idea to post more colorful statistic images right now, I think.

Also, I don't think those search statistics really mean much because it's a relativley small time sample, and how many of them were just people looking for a pic or two of some babe (a problem which at 42 years old Mylene has less of), versus real fans?
I said those searches were done by fans and non-fans. Overall it's "by the people". And more people know = more famous. Am I right?

Ben

05-29-2007, 02:40 AM

Overall it's "by the people". And more people know = more famous. Am I right?
If you want to think of it that way. But I don't really think of looking at a pic or vid or two as "knowing" an artist and increasing their popularity. For that I think you'd have to, I dunno, listen to their music? :eek:

That's why search term results aren't a good criteria. Internet "popularity" should reflect the number of active fans on the net. The people making websites, participating in forums, etc.

CFHollister

05-29-2007, 02:50 AM

http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=34285&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=7f7d46a60bff902a56cf55d25020066e

heyamigo

05-29-2007, 03:10 AM

plus most of MF's fans are the older generation and not as internet savvy as lily fans. so internet popularity doesn't necessarily reflect popularity in general.

Ben

05-29-2007, 03:30 AM

so internet popularity doesn't necessarily reflect popularity in general.
Yeah, though I don't think anyone was saying that it does. No question Mylene's more popular overall, but we're strictly speaking on the Internet here.

I think we just have different definitions of "Internet popularity".

Kdn was saying it's how many people know of someone through the net, which leads to things like greater search activity on Google Trends. And actually the generational comment is one explanation for why, along with the type of searches being done.

In contrast, I think that "Internet popularity" is how many fans the artist has on the net, which leads to things like web pages and large and active communities. Google Fight is a good rough indicator of this, and shows Mylene and Alizée at about equal.

Edit: BTW, look at what you've started, Garçon! :mad:

paleddy62

05-29-2007, 03:44 AM

I like both MF and Alizee.....but Alizee is favorite over MF. Now as far as comparing who is more popular whether it be on the internet or in France, I would say that it is unfair and lopsided to do this. MF has been in the music world way longer than Lili, so of course she will have more statistics when it comes to everything. But on the other hand, for Lili to have been in the industry for a short time, i'd say it's quite impressive that she still has a huge following, whatever the reasons may be. All in all, they are both great performers.:)

garçoncanadien

05-29-2007, 03:57 AM

CFHollister

05-29-2007, 04:15 AM

fff. :(

it just reminded me of that performance so i wanted to talk about the difference and similarities between the pictures. didn't know i would start a fight :( Snatcher42 you have a key and lock available if necessary. my apologies.

No worries; there's no fight going on here. It's just another example of how threads here can go massively off their original topic. Really, it's more MO around here than not. Nothing to worry about ;)

kdn

05-29-2007, 04:47 AM

"What's famous?". This is from wiki:

Noun: celebrity

1. a person who has a high degree of recognition by the general population; fame.
2. the quality of being a famous person

Adjective: famous

1. Well known.
2. In the public eye.

More internet users know about = more popular on the internet. Right?

Also more internet users will produce more searches. If anyone noticed, Lili has about 5 times more than Mylène. That's a lot and they can't all be pervs.

About the time frame, the google trends shows (stable) results from 2004 and Alizée already has had more searches.

How so?

mylene.forumactif.com
Members: 13,273 | Posts: 1,048,318
mylenefarmeriscalled.net
Members: 7,688 | Posts: 2,118,263

alizee-forum.com
Members: 6,011 | Posts: 541,464
alizeealliance.net
Members: 970 | Posts: 100,560
I'm not a member there so I'm not sure how active they are. But those forums are very old and has a huge number of members/posts is understandable.

This is statistic of mylenefarmeriscalled.net and alizee-fanpage.com:

The brown line is alizee-fanpage.com, much higher than mylenefarmeriscalled.net

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3430/untitledzy4.jpg

And if anyone takes a look at the number of people actually online on those forums, you'll see a smaller number than our AA's and AF's.

mylene.forumactif.com
5 utilisateurs en ligne :: 3 Enregistrés, 0 Invisible et 2 Invités

mylenefarmeriscalled.net
13 connectés.
1 personne non-inscrite et 4 personnes invisibles visitent le forum

alizee-forum.com
30 (9 members and 21 guests)

moi-alizee.us
18 (5 members and 13 guests)

It's 48 for Lili vs 18 for Mylene.

@Garçon: it's not a fight, it's only a discussion. And just like Rocket said, this is page 5.
It's inevitable :)

Ben

05-29-2007, 05:07 AM

More internet users know about = more popular on the internet. Right?
Not really. There's a big difference between "popular" and "famous" (though they can often go hand-in-hand). Hitler is famous. He isn't popular.

Popular is the word we used initillaly, and I think a more relevant one. "Famous" came into the discussion later.

But those forums are very old
Actually for the most, they're not. It's rare for fansites to stick around too long, and the current crop of Mylene pages are roughly the same age as older Lili sites. Mylenefarmeriscalled.net is from early 2003, same as AA and AF, and mylene.forumactif.com came even later at the end of 2004.

This is statistic of mylenefarmeriscalled.net and alizee-fanpage.com:
The brown line is alizee-fanpage.com, much higher than mylenefarmeriscalled.net
These are traffic stats, right? If so, they're extremly misleading because during most of that time we had been compromised by a virus that was using our server to send a recieve junk email. The numbers are all off, though you can see us start to fix things around mid-April. We still have some issues with bots though too, which could be reflected in those user counts.

Edit: BTW, where'd you get these, and could you run them for the Alliance?

kdn

05-29-2007, 05:36 AM

Actually for the most, they're not. It's rare for fansites to stick around too long, and the current crop of Mylene pages are roughly the same age as older Lili sites like the Fanpage, Forum, and Alliance. Mylenefarmeriscalled.net is from early 2003, same as Alizee-Forum.com, and mylene.forumactif.com came even later in 2004.
And moi-alizee.us is less than 1 year old.

This is extremly misleading too, because during most of that time we had been compromised by a virus that was using our server to send a recieve junk email. The numbers are all off, though you can see us start to fix things around mid-April. We still have some issues with bots though, which is which is reflected in the user counts.
This is 3 years statistic:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6820/untitledtk2.jpg
alizee-fanpage.com already has had more visitors than mylenefarmeriscalled.net since 2005.

Not really. There's a big difference between "popular" and "famous" (though they can often go hand-in-hand). Hitler is famous. He isn't popular.

Popular is the word we used initillaly, and I think a more relevant one. "Famous" came into the discussion later.
Maybe I'll put it this way: more internet users know about Lili than Mylène.

Ben

05-29-2007, 05:47 AM

And moi-alizee.us is less than 1 year old.
During which time we've worked hard to promote it as a new and exciting place (Operation Digg, etc.).

This is 3 years statistic:
I'm honestly not sure how far back our Spam problems go, possibly several years. Those spikes especially don't look natural. Also keep in mind that Alizee-Fanpage has been heavily promoted to keep at the top of Google's search results in all countries. I'm not sure how the various Mylene forums do in that regard.

Bottom line is that in the same amount of time (2003 - 2007), Mylenefarmeriscalled.net has had twice as many members and four times as many messages as AF. You said you're not a member there, and while I'm not very active myself, I do read it and other Mylene forums from time to time. And I can vouch that they're as active and lively as any Alizée one.

Maybe I'll put it this way: more internet users know about Lili than Mylène.
Sure, but as I said 75% of those (and yes I do honestly think it's that much) just know the JEAM dance.

kdn

05-29-2007, 06:23 AM

During which time we've worked hard to promote it as a new and exciting place (Operation Digg, etc.).

I'm honestly not sure how far back our Spam problems go, possibly several years. Those spikes especially don't look natural. Also keep in mind that Alizee-Fanpage has been heavily promoted to keep at the top of Google's search results in all countries. I'm not sure how the various Mylene forums do in that regard.
Promotion is to let more people know about, isn't it?
I'm honestly not sure how far back our Spam problems go, possibly several years. Those spikes especially don't look natural. Also keep in mind that Alizee-Fanpage has been heavily promoted to keep at the top of Google's search results in all countries. I'm not sure how the various Mylene forums do in that regard.
That statistic is from the most trusted website statistic service on the net, money involved. It's impossible to be generated by viruses, bots, scripts... etc. Only real human visitors can affect it.

Bottom line is that in the same amount of time (2003 - 2007), Mylenefarmeriscalled.net has had twice as many members and four times as many messages as AF. You said you're not a member there, and while I'm not very active myself, I do read it and other Mylene forums from time to time. And I can vouch that they're as active and lively as any Alizée one.
Well, alizeecn.com is very small community but it has 4 times more registered members than AF. Those members are spam bots. And if AF hasn't resolved the spam bots problem, it would have 60.000 members, far more than mylenefarmeriscalled.net.

Sure, but as I said 75% of those (and yes I do honestly think it's that much) just know the JEAM dance.
If they care about doing a search, they will very likely know more than that.

Ben

05-29-2007, 06:55 AM

If they care about doing a search, they will very likely know more than that.
I really don't think so.

Promotion is to let more people know about, isn't it?
Yes, but as I keep saying, knowing does not equal popularity.
Popularity = # of fans.

That statistic is from the most trusted website statistic service on the net, money involved. It's impossible to be generated by viruses, bots, scripts... etc. Only real human visitors can affect it.
Sorry, I just don't trust it. I know we've had weird traffic issues. Like 2,000 users with unique IPs logged on at one time. There's no way that was genuine.

And I know we've had bots because I delete them myself.

All in all I trust first hand observation of the communities themselves over any of these figures. I look at as many different Mylene sites as I do Alizée, and they're all about equally active.

Not to bring real-life into this too much, because I know it's just about the internet, but seriously we're talking about an artist who has sold over 20 millions albums and plays 15,000 seat areans versus one who's sold less than a tenth that and plays to crowds of a few thousand. Some of that is going to be reflected online.

Of course the Alizée scene seems bigger to us because we're a part of it. Someone in the Mylene scene sees things the other way (heck, most of them think Lili's been forgotten). I happen to belong to both worlds.

Hey, now that we've got the words "borg" and "both worlds" in the thread, maybe we'll get a lot of trekker hits? ;)

garçoncanadien

05-29-2007, 07:00 AM

Snatcher42 tell me this if you would

what is the 4 winds bar?

kdn

05-29-2007, 07:06 AM

I'm not a part of Mylene world so I trust statistic and facts. But you trust your feeling. Well, that's fine by me.

But believe it or not, in the online world, Alizée's name is far more well known than Mylène's.

Ben

05-29-2007, 07:26 AM

But believe it or not, in the online world, Alizée's name is far more well known than Mylène's.
Well I'm not sure, because if even a fraction of the people who own a Mylene album and a fraction of the people who own an Alizée one go online, then the numbers are far in Mylene's favor.

BUT... I already have accepted this point multiple times:

"Sure, but as I said 75% of those just know the JEAM dance."

"knowing does not equal popularity.
Popularity = # of fans."

etc.

It's not about facts versus feelings. I do think those traffic stats are wrong because I've worked on alizee-forum for four years and know. But that doesn't matter. I never doubted the Google Trends. Sure, more people may be searching for Alizée, it's just that that doesn't matter! As I keep saying, it's not an indication of popularity, fanbase, or anything important.

I've provided the statistics that do mean something: webpages, forum members, forum posts, etc. And those all show things as I've said: Internet "popularity" about equal, if not in Mylene's favor.

what is the 4 winds bar?
It's the nexus of the crisis, and the origin of storms...

kdn

05-29-2007, 08:07 AM

I've provided the statistics that do mean something: webpages, forum members, forum posts, etc. And those all show things as I've said: Internet "popularity" about equal, if not in Mylene's favor.
Like I said, those statistic can be affected by spam bots. If you think traffic stats can be generated by bots, why not those?

if even a fraction of the people who own a Mylene album and a fraction of the people who own an Alizée one go online, then the numbers are far in Mylene's favor.

What do you mean "If"? It doesn't happen.
That's why it has been all about the internet from the beginning.

BUT... I already have accepted this point multiple times:

"Sure, but as I said 75% of those just know the JEAM dance."

The first time I ask for prove. Do you have any prove?

Beside, they don't search for "JEAM", it's "alizee" they are searching for.

"knowing does not equal popularity.
Popularity = # of fans."[/I]

Ok, I have already said I put it in another way: there are more geeks know about Alizée.
It's not about facts versus feelings. I do think those traffic stats are wrong because I've worked on alizee-forum for four years and know. But that doesn't matter.
Yeah, maybe you are right. And that doesn't matter, people search for her, visit the site, find something to download or watch a video... then leave. But they must know her name is alizee to search for it, don't they? And maybe that's why the statistic is high but there aren't many registered members. About Mylene, there is nothing free to download, not even a picture for wikipedia.
I never doubted the Google Trends. Sure, more people may be searching for Alizée, it's just that that doesn't matter! As I keep saying, it's not an indication of popularity, fanbase, or anything important.
5 guys know about Alizée, 4 out of them have no idea who Mylène is. And you said it doesn't important.

Ben

05-29-2007, 08:25 AM

Like I said, those statistic can be affected by spam bots. If you think traffic stats can be generated by bots, why not those?
Because I read and/or moderate the forums, so know when they are and when they're not (and certainly in the post count stats, since any spam gets deleted). Besides, both sides get spam bots, so it shouldn't affect the comparison... The exception being that issue I mentioned with the fanpage. That was serious and unusual, and almost led to us having to shut down.

What do you mean "If"? It doesn't happen.
That's why it has been all about the internet from the beginning.As I said (might have missed it cause it was a late edit): "Not to bring real-life into this too much, because I know it's just about the internet, but seriously we're talking about an artist who has sold over 20 millions albums and plays 15,000 seat areans versus one who's sold less than a tenth that and plays to crowds of a few thousand. Some of that is going to be reflected online."

The first time I ask for prove. Do you have any prove?
Beside, they don't search for "JEAM", it's "alizee" they are searching for.
I didn't mean literally. I meant they're the people who look at a pic or vid or two and then go away.

Ok, I have already said I put it in another way: there are more geeks know about Alizée.
Yeah, but who cares?

Yeah, maybe you are right. And that doesn't matter, people search for her, visit the site, find something to download or watch a video... then leave. But they must know her name is alizee to search for it, don't they? And maybe that's why the statistic is high but there aren't many registered members. About Mylene, there is nothing free to download, not even a picture for wikipedia.
Right.

5 guys know about Alizée, 4 out of them have no idea who Mylène is. And you said it doesn't important.
And how many of them have bought a CD? Would consider going to a concert? Read a forum, or post on one? Even just once. How many do anything other than look at a pic or video and then leave? Every one who does is worth 100 of those other guys.

And that's who we should be counting.
That's who my numbers have been trying to give a sense of.

Also, not a single French person would know Alizée but not Mylene... though the opposite could be true.

The short version:
Yes, I'm sure more people have seen Alizée online, but in terms of fans Mylene has just as many, if not more. And that, to me, is real popularity.

kdn

05-29-2007, 08:45 AM

Maybe this isn't a good statistic, but I'll post it because a lot of people know about youtube:

Mylenes' videos on Youtube: the most viewed has 110,883 views.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=mylene&search_sort=video_view_count&search_category=0

Alizée: one vid has 2,118,242 views.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=alizee&search_sort=video_view_count&search_category=0

The short version:
Yes, I'm sure more people have seen Alizée online, but in terms of fans Mylene has just as many, if not more. And that, to me, is real popularity.
Well, they don't accidentally see her. They care enough to search for her name. In terms of well known, Alizée is way more than Mylène. And that's all I'm trying to say.

Ben

05-29-2007, 08:55 AM

Alizée: one vid has 2,118,242 views.
Yeah, about 2mil of those were just to check out her rear. Seriously. Don't underestimate how much that sort of thing drives the internet. But Mylene escapes it more than Alizée.

And a YouTube video is very easy to watch, so that's exactly the type of statistic I mean: sure more people have seen one or two, but that's diddly squat if it's all they do, which is the case for many.

Also getting back to an earlier point, it's important to keep in mind that YouTube is primarily an American based site. It's used far less in France for any subject.

If you look at a site which is more common there, such DailyMotion, the view counts are much closer and there are twice as many Mylene videos as Alizée ones.

Now yes France is not the whole internet, but you can't ignore it either, especially when talking about two French artists. There's more international Alizée stuff, but more French Mylene. Take them together and it balances out.

kdn

05-29-2007, 09:39 AM

And a YouTube video is very easy to watch, so that's exactly the type of statistic I mean: sure more people have seen one or two, but that's diddly squat if it's all they do, which is the case for many.

No, that's not all they do. They has been searching for "alizee" for years.

Take them together and it balances out.
Does it?
The search statistic is for the whole internet (France and the world), and it shows that Lili is being searched many times more than Mylene. I don't think 5/1 and 20/1 are balances.

The numbers are right there, what else do you need?

heyamigo

05-29-2007, 10:00 AM

dang you guys still at it? don't you guys sleep...

just agree to disagree and lets move on...

Deepwaters

05-29-2007, 10:39 AM

kdn

05-29-2007, 10:48 AM

Actually I do agree with him that Mylene has more fans.

But, Alizée is more well known.
(I'm not talking about fans, as I stated from the beginning: fans and non-fans)

@Deepwaters: we're not talking about their career. But you're right, comparing their career, one young and one not very young, is silly.

Deepwaters

05-29-2007, 10:52 AM

Just got to add one other thing here, anyone who thinks Mylène Farmer isn't a hot babe any more just because she's in her 40s needs glasses. Good grief!

heyamigo

05-29-2007, 11:10 AM

hehe..shes hot in her own way, but i would think she's much hotter if i didn't have this association of mylene with linda cohn, the ESPN sportscenter anchor...

do you notice the resembelence?

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/cohn_sweet.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5965/1952/1600/LindaCohn_717.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/ec/Linda_cohn.jpg

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3325/LindaCohn_Grant_5454298_400.jpg

they gotta be related....

nurvonic

05-29-2007, 11:30 AM

the title of this thread is pretty accurate, as in "wow! i cant believe this debate went on for 5 pages!!"

OGRE, nice screen shot btw :D

Joey_adore_Jung

05-29-2007, 12:31 PM

^ ah well if that is the reason i might as well make it longer and OGRE by the way i love that pic i never seen it before and thought it was awesome

Ernest

05-29-2007, 01:39 PM

I like this thread . . .it's really WOW

OGRE

05-29-2007, 01:59 PM

this is like.... the fairy godmother vs the fairy. not even close...

I guess that would make Alizée sort of like...

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:qbOx-_8MGmb-IM:http://custom-floor-mats.com/images/Tinkerbell%2520Character%2520Utility%2520Mat.jpg

lead2gold

05-29-2007, 02:39 PM

Drake498

05-29-2007, 04:23 PM

I like this thread . . .it's really WOW
*sigh :rolleyes:

I can't belive Snatcher and Kdn went at it all night, i was up all night doing my report and checkin in here every 10 min or so and god you two really went at it...

Ben

05-29-2007, 09:31 PM

No, that's not all they do. They has been searching for "alizee" for years.
If they like her enough to "search for years", where where they to buy her albums, go to concerts, make web pages, and/or read, join, or post in forums and communities? In other words, to make these wonderful numbers anything more than meaningless statistics?

The search statistic is for the whole internet (France and the world)
As is something like Google Fight.

The numbers are right there, what else do you need?
I need to see those "numbers" acting like "fans".

Actually I do agree with him that Mylene has more fans. But, Alizée is more well known. (I'm not talking about fans, as I stated from the beginning: fans and non-fans)
Well there we go, I think we agree. And have all this time. But... you didn't state that from the beginning. Only with the Google Trends. This started with the assertion that...

"and Lilis' fan sites > Mylenes' fan sites
Also Lili's internet popularity >>> Mylene's..."

Now unless you're only talking about foreign sites, or somehow think that the masses of people searching for Alizée but never participating as fans makes her online presence better, I don't see how this is true.

what is the 4 winds bar?It's the nexus of the crisis, and the origin of storms...
But no one's gonna ask about this...? :( ;)

garçoncanadien

05-29-2007, 09:44 PM

well Snatcher42 explain me please ;)
exprimez-vous ;)

Ben

05-29-2007, 09:52 PM

well Snatcher42 explain me please ;)
exprimez-vous ;)
http://www.imaginos.net/

Jess

05-29-2007, 09:55 PM

Is this another one (back to the subject)?

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1003/alizeewall13vw3cd9.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alizeewall13vw3cd9.jpg)

Sir Wood

05-31-2007, 12:43 AM

that pic makes her look like a borg, hehe

That's because "resistance is futile..." You become assimilated and end up another drone in the Alizée collective. You cannot help but be attracted to anything with Alizée related. :p

Drake498

05-31-2007, 09:53 AM

Is this another one (back to the subject)?

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1003/alizeewall13vw3cd9.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alizeewall13vw3cd9.jpg)

definately a sweet wallpaper :D

Edcognito

05-31-2007, 11:06 AM

It's kind of silly to be making the comparison at this point anyway. Mylène is at the peak of her career or perhaps a bit past the peak; Alizée has barely started, and her career prior to taking this long break was entirely in partnership with Mylène. There will be no way to make a realistic appraisal -- if you want to do something as silly as compare the two in the first place -- for at least another year.

Maybe not for another 10 years and 3 (OMG) albums from Alizée! I would love to see 5 more albums in the next 10 years, but i would rather Alizée be happy. I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think that kind of schedule would appeal to her, so - for a decent comparison, you would probably have to track each stars popularity over the years (record sales, downloads of music, whatever requires people to actually DO something) THEN, MAYBE you will be prepared to make a good comparison of the two.

In the meantime - Alizée is the most popular as far as I'm concerned. And as we all know, I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON HERE (as far as i'm concerned, because i'm a self-important narcissist!) :)

Ed:cool:

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jk! :D

Edcognito

05-31-2007, 11:09 AM

But no one's gonna ask about this...? :( ;)

I will do the dirty deed - What the hell were you talking about? Don't know the songs by BOC that your referring to. :(

Ed:cool:

Jess

05-31-2007, 11:41 AM

definately a sweet wallpaper :D

Just for the record........ not my work, I found it somewhere in the internet (can't remember where). ;)

Ben

06-01-2007, 09:37 PM

I will do the dirty deed - What the hell were you talking about? Don't know the songs by BOC that your referring to. :(

Ed:cool:

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/beevQtsZHRA"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/beevQtsZHRA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Snatcher42's "Official" Favorite Song.

Edcognito

06-01-2007, 11:01 PM

RUSSIA

06-03-2007, 06:09 AM

Hello! I'm from in Russia!

RUSSIA

06-03-2007, 06:10 AM

Привет! Я из России!

rcs

06-03-2007, 06:22 AM

Hello Russia.

What part of Russia are you from?..:)

RUSSIA

06-03-2007, 06:29 AM

rcs
My name is Kirill. I live in Russia, sity Meleyz.
What is you name?

RUSSIA

06-03-2007, 06:35 AM

I love ALIZEE! I your fanat. In Russia be fan-club, alizee.ru!

Drake498

06-03-2007, 10:08 AM

:D :D :D Welcome to the site RUSSIA!!! :D :D :D
It's great to have you with us, we are always excited to have new members, everyone on here is usually friendly :p and very helpful ;)
We are glad that you love Alizée as much as most of us do :wub:
And if you're confused :confused: about anything please feel free to ask or post anything, and we'll answer anything as best we can ;)
Hmmm :blink: you should prolly intoduce yourself next :)
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=707http:// (http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=707http://)
Thanks for coming and enjoy the videos, boards, pics and chat!! :D

Edsel Di Meo

06-22-2018, 09:06 AM

Any:
http://www.mylenefarmeriscalled.net/
http://plusdemylenefarmer.forumactif.com/
http://pardonnenous.forumactif.com/
http://mylene.forumactif.com/
http://www.mfarmer.com/
Others...

How do you define more famous on the internet? By number of sites? She does have more in languages other than French, especially English and Spanish, but far fewer in her own. Me, I'd count all sites, French and non-French, in which case I don't know who's "officially" more popular, but it's relativley close.

I laughed out loud with the fact that "http://www.mylenefarmeriscalled.net" because a pretty weird page about cars and such but it still has the name of Mylenefarmer on its url

Scruffydog777

06-22-2018, 11:04 AM

rcs
My name is Kirill. I live in Russia, sity Meleyz.
What is you name?

:D :D :D Welcome to the site RUSSIA!!! :D :D :D
It's great to have you with us, we are always excited to have new members, everyone on here is usually friendly :p and very helpful ;)
We are glad that you love Alizée as much as most of us do :wub:
And if you're confused :confused: about anything please feel free to ask or post anything, and we'll answer anything as best we can ;)
Hmmm :blink: you should prolly intoduce yourself next :)
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=707http:// (http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=707http://)
Thanks for coming and enjoy the videos, boards, pics and chat!! :D

Yes welcome to the forum kirill. I've seen there are many loyal Alizee fans in Russia over the years. I see there are some too on our Facebook page. As Drake said, if you have any questions feel free to ask. Language is not a barrier here, if there's any problems with communications, we'll find a way to work it out.