Julien Doré "Moi...lolita" ?

[Jess]

Acording to Gala Magazine Julien Doré is making "Moi...lolita" his first single, unless of course I'm understanding wrong. :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: Does anyone else feel strange about this???

#Gala confirme la sortie de "Moi...lolita" en single#
Julien Doré pourrait sortir sa reprise de "Moi...lolita" comme premier single.
Le numéro de Gala sorti aujourd'hui nous annonce que Mylène Farmer aurait donné son accord...

#Julien Doré could realise "Moi...Lolita"#
The french tabloid "Gala" confirms us Julien Doré (the winner of Pop Idol)
will maybe realise "Moi..Lolita" for first single...

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7316/gala07ri2.jpg

[Moe]

The french tabloid "Gala" confirms us Julien Doré (the winner of Pop Idol)
will maybe realise "Moi..Lolita" for first single...:D i dunno , i think its gonna make people remember Alizee more if it happens

[Geech]

I'm with Moe, I think it will bring Alizee back in the spot light a little for a little but and that would would be awesome for her if she wants to release her next album soon.

[Rev]

I'm with Moe, I think it will bring Alizee back in the spot light a little for a little but and that would would be awesome for her if she wants to release her next album soon.

My gut tells me that she needs to release her single before he does.

[Killian]

To be fair, he is pretty good (particularly his cover of Tainted Love), but I don't think he could do Moi... Lolita any justice. Plus, he's a young adult guy, not a young girl, anyone else find that strange :blink: Is this just spite on behalf of Mylène? Aloowing someone else to release Alizée's most famous and popular song.

[Fusoya]

Sounds a bit strange to me :p

[espire]

It's really strange. Does he not realize what he's singing?

The only way I can comprehend this is if Julien is "coming out." I'm not making fun here, I'm serious.

[DesertFox]

One word...WHAT THE FRAG WAS HE THINKING!!?? Moi Lolita is Alizee´s song and no other person alive will match her...not even an overgrown dude which by the way remembers me somebody who i allready hate.

Thanks a lot POP IDOL....:(

[Deepwaters]

It's really strange. Does he not realize what he's singing?

The only way I can comprehend this is if Julien is "coming out." I'm not making fun here, I'm serious.

I've kind of stayed away from those videos with a deep visceral loathing, and haven't heard him enough to understand his lyrics. Did he change them?

Is he singing "Ma Lolita" (My Lolita) instead of "Moi Lolita" (Me, Lolita)? Is he doing a Humbert Humbert? I don't know, but that's the only way it can make any sense for a man to sing this song at all. And it's kind of disgusting even so.

[fsquared]

I've kind of stayed away from those videos with a deep visceral loathing, and haven't heard him enough to understand his lyrics. Did he change them?

Is he singing "Ma Lolita" (My Lolita) instead of "Moi Lolita" (Me, Lolita)? Is he doing a Humbert Humbert? I don't know, but that's the only way it can make any sense for a man to sing this song at all. And it's kind of disgusting even so.

I presume from the intonation and altered melody that the whole performance is very sardonic. It would seem that part of its, er, appeal is the cognitive dissonance of a wan, morose man singing (if you can call it that) about being a reluctantly sexually precocious pubescent girl.

There's presumably a reason that Julien was labeled the French Sanjaya by PerezHilton.

[atra201]

with the same lyrics?
cause I don't see him as a lolita.

[espire]

with the same lyrics?
cause I don't see him as a lolita.

Though I must admit it would make an interesting movie :p

[fsquared]

Julien's single will apparently be available Aug. 20. I got this off alizeealliance.

http://www4.fnac.com/Shelf/article.aspx?PRID=2010947&Origin=ALIZEE_LIVE&OriginClick=yes

One thing that is interesting about this is that it provides a reasonable data point regarding the lead time between announcement of a single's availability and the single itself (~5 weeks). Thus, if Alizee is going to come out with a new single, I'm guessing we ought to be seeing roughly the same kind of lead time. With her name on people's lips because of this, now would certainly be an opportune time....

[espire]

Remember that it's Mylène who owns the right to the song. She gave Julien permission to release the single, and it's doubtful that Alizée had anything to do with it. While it could be an opportune time to release her new album, it can also be seen as a bad time to do so. Because it can be looked at both ways, this will just be another time when she might release it, but likely won't. Sorta like July 4 :p

[French Fan]

LMAO...
Moi...Lolita will NEVER sound like when Lilie sings it...
Poor guy...I watched his performance on tv and...That's sucks, this guy doesn't know how to sing correctly he's just speaking...

Wow I already see the number of singles sold mdr...

[fsquared]

Actually, there is a standardized mechanism for obtaining cover rights. (I don't know the details in France but I am hypothesizing that it's substantially the same).
See e.g.
http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles/music_copyright_law.html
There is usually a way to negotiate a better deal with the artist directly, but it's not strictly necessary.

[Bigdan]

This si really strange what's happening with Julien Doré.
What he does with "Moi...LOlita" , on "La nouvelle star" (Pop idol) was just made to surprise the Jury, a kind of absurd, poetic, " surreallitic" exercice to show his originality, his eccentricity...

So i don't understand how this could be his first single release...
I think it's not good for him to start by something that's not is own material, and it's more a joke than other thing.

By the way, the music and the lyrics are not exactly the same as the orginal.(But it's not about assuming to be Lolita, or being in love with her either.)

But I can understand what Mylène does, when she give up her rights to Julien. I'm sure she love to appeared " hype", and she's receptive to the eccentricity of the guy (and maybe more than receptive...;) )

But i dont' see it as a bad news for Alizée, anyway.

[oO°TiNkErBeLL°Oo]

I don't know what thinking about all that :rolleyes:

I'm completely with Mylène because she's the author of the lyrics so it's always a good thing to her to accept even if she doesn't care about Julien at all :p

But it's very sad because Alizée left good performances on the Moi...Lolita title that Julien won't do...

[atra201]

Though I must admit it would make an interesting movie :p
I'd go see that movie :D

[lefty12357]

Actually, there is a standardized mechanism for obtaining cover rights. (I don't know the details in France but I am hypothesizing that it's substantially the same).
See e.g.
http://www.cleverjoe.com/articles/music_copyright_law.html
There is usually a way to negotiate a better deal with the artist directly, but it's not strictly necessary.


Anyone interested in how performing rights societies work can check out this link:http://www.bmi.com/about/

Much of the income a songwriter or publishing company make is collected through these organizations.

[espire]

And they can make quite a bit. Mylène supposedly made over ten million Euros from Alizée. She made it happen, for sure, but what a return! Ten million euros!

[Rev]

And they can make quite a bit. Mylène supposedly made over ten million Euros from Alizée. She made it happen, for sure, but what a return! Ten million euros!

I have no doubt that Mylene made MUCH more than Alizee did. Artists usually don't get a very good deal on their first contract.

I will admint that I have wondered if that is part of why Alizee seems to be waiting until after the 7 year line. Perhaps to clear some old contract hurdle?

[Jess]

Update on this guy, I thought you guys might find this interesting to say the least... :p

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/387/safariscreensnapz001og5.jpg

In case you guys want to visit his Forum... http://julien-dore.xooit.com/index.php

[Martin]

hahah..he is posing the same way Alizee did in Gourmandises? Maybe he is a huge lili's fan after all (well if this wasnt just plain marketing:rolleyes:) .

[espire]

Yes... maybe he's a huge Lili fan, or maybe he's just... queer. In fact, that does make sense. He is, after all, singing about being a young girl who seduces men.

[Jess]

Yes... maybe he's a huge Lili fan, or maybe he's just... queer. In fact, that does make sense. He is, after all, singing about being a young girl who seduces men.

I don't know what to say.............. Except, he really gets into it. :p

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[fsquared]

Hm..are you sure that's not some other guy covering Julien?

Also, I noted in one of those things that "Mylene agreed to let him release it as a single, but only with the original lyrics, not the altered ones he used on Nouvelle Star". Does anyone know what his alterations were?

There was also a little thing about how it was a bit sticky because Mylene is with Universal, which runs Star Academy (the rival show to Nouvelle Star).

[Jess]

Hm..are you sure that's not some other guy covering Julien?


Yes, I think that's another guy covering Julien's ver of 'Moi Lolita'.
http://nikosphere.blogspot.com/2007/06/cover-lolita-julien-dor-alize.html

[Jess]

I don't know what to say.............. Except, he really gets into it. :p

<div><object width="520" height="406"><param name="movie" value="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/cJ3B5hFJu7DAngvBf"></param><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/cJ3B5hFJu7DAngvBf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="520" height="406" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object><br /><b><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cc1t_cover-lolita-julien-dore-alizee_webcam">[COVER] Lolita - Julien Doré (Alizée)</a></b><br /><i>Uploaded by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/NiKOUnleashed">NiKOUnleashed</a></i></div>

I think this guy does a better job than Julien Dore, but it's still weird to see a guy singing it though... :D

[Piblokto]

This is the clip from Julien Doré's new single :

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[Jess]

I don't know if you guys saw this allready, it was released yesterday. This is just wrong..... :blink:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8153/single1ch1.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=single1ch1.jpg)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4527/single2sv0.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=single2sv0.jpg)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8166/cdjulienus8.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdjulienus8.jpg)

[zpa]

I'll second that Jess, it sure ain't right :D I mean, whats the point? To see just how badly you can mess things up? :blink:

[Runner Simon]

Whell I think it has a pretty cool touch however: DON'T STEAL ALIZÉE's SONG!!!!!

[Killian]

That cover art just makes a bad situation much, much worse. What was he thinking... http://www.vlatitude.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/smiley_shake.gif

*Killian wishes there was a smiley that could better express his feelings. >.>

[Runner Simon]

..l..(-.^)..l.. ? Eh, ye.. right.....

[Gatchaman]

I've heard him sing it, and it honestly sucks. Just leave the song alone, and don't come out with your screwed up slow boring version.

[Killian]

I've heard him sing it, and it honestly sucks. Just leave the song alone, and don't come out with your screwed up slow boring version.

Are you talking about the TV version or the single, because the TV version did absolutely suck, I was shocked when I heard it. But the single is actually quite good, I was surprised at how rocky and, how do I say this eloquently, not gay it sounded.

[mibir]

Wow that album cover is...interesting. Could argue it's mocking Alizée, but I suppose he wouldn't mock the singer of the song that made him famous.

[Jess]

I found this a little interesting to say the least, according to Wikipedia his most memorable performances and revelations on Nouvelle Star were while singing "Moi... Lolita" from "Alizée" and "...Baby One More Time" from "Britney Spears". Oh, and he did a cover for Madonna "Like a Virgen"...... :blink:

[Rocket]

Almost all famous music artists has what is known as a 'signature song'. What this means is that this song identifies this artist and any other artist who would even think of recording it as their own is committing commercial suicide. Julien is taking a huge risk with Moi-Lolita.

[Gatchaman]

Are you talking about the TV version or the single, because the TV version did absolutely suck, I was shocked when I heard it. But the single is actually quite good, I was surprised at how rocky and, how do I say this eloquently, not gay it sounded.

yeah it was the video version. Still i don't like the idea of someone other than Lili singing her signature song.

[fsquared]

Here, finally, is the discussion of the attempt Julien made to alter the lyrics. Anyone who wants to translate is welcome to do so.

http://www.chartsinfrance.net/actualite/news65315-22.html

Mylène Farmer a refusé. Je souhaitais glisser "aphorisme dadaïste" puis "bar blues" au lieu de "bas bleus" et "donner ma langue aux chattes" à la place de "chat". Elle a trouvé cela vulgaire alors qu'elle faisait chanter cela à une gamine de quatorze ans en mini-jupe. Elle a raison, la vulgarité évolue...

[Deepwaters]

Mylène Farmer a refusé. Je souhaitais glisser "aphorisme dadaïste" puis "bar blues" au lieu de "bas bleus" et "donner ma langue aux chattes" à la place de "chat". Elle a trouvé cela vulgaire alors qu'elle faisait chanter cela à une gamine de quatorze ans en mini-jupe. Elle a raison, la vulgarité évolue...

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

[Killian]

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

Wait she thought this would be vulgar, I am confused didn't she already slip hidden meanings into the songs?

[Deepwaters]

The key word there, I believe, is "hidden." Yes, there's a lesbian connotation to "donner ma langue aux chat," but the French slang for a vagina is "chatte" not "chat," (if I'm not mistaken) so replacing the word would have made it too up-front and obvious. One of the dividers between sexy and crude is subtlety.

[Killian]

Oh, I understand now, thanks Deep. Mylène was clever, using mere innuendos, whereas Julien wanted to be upfront, and overly crude about it.

[Rev]

Oh, I understand now, thanks Deep. Mylène was clever, using mere innuendos, whereas Julien wanted to be upfront, and overly crude about it.

He is one wierd dude. :rolleyes:

[fsquared]

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

Right after that, the article says "...balance-t-il ironiquement."

I get the feeling he was kind of rolling his eyes sarcastically, like "Gee, she decided these lyrics would be, like, too vulgar...remember when they were being sung by a 14-year-old girl in a miniskirt? Gee, hmm, I guess the meaning of 'vulgar' has changed over the years..."

BTW what is the pronunciation difference between "chattes" and "chat"? One slightly audible "t"?

[CFHollister]

BTW what is the pronunciation difference between "chattes" and "chat"? One slightly audible "t"?

transcribing to English:
/shaht/ vs. /shah/
:)

[Deepwaters]

Well, on this one I agree with Mylène and disagree with Julien. (Admittedly I'm biased because I don't much like Julien's version of ML to begin with.) I did see the bit about irony, but disagree with that as well. I just don't consider Mylène to be vulgar. She's very sexual at times, and also very dark, dealing with sex, death, and despair, but not crude. Usually. :D

[Fèvier]

umm.... wow :eek:

[user472884]

Seriously, if you continue with these outlandish experiments on reviving the dead, I'm going to have no choice but to choke a bitch

[Fèvier]

Jejejeje ^_^

[wasabi622]

Seriously, if you continue with these outlandish experiments on reviving the dead, I'm going to have no choice but to choke a bitch

Forgive him Reverend, for he is young and foolish.

I will teach him the proper ways of reviving the dead.

[Silencio]

Where is this version from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4dU_h757kA

It seems that it wasn't on the official single.