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To reflect my thoughts on Alizee, well, what can I say, I have never met a girl that has consumed my attention so much. I have seen many beautiful girls and celebrities but none has swayed me as Alizee have, heck, I have even joined a site about her something I would not have done for any other celebrity and I can guarantee I will not do so in the future. She has this "effect" that is hard to describe, maybe it's her singing in a foreign language, the way she presents herself on stage, her very sweet smile, it might be a combination of all of these, but she certainly has this "mesmerizing effect". When I see her videos all the problems in the world seems to go away. I have literally spent hours watching her videos over and over again, including the fan videos. Alizee to me has brought me great joy to my life through the good and the bad. For that she will always have a special place in my heart.:wub: Alizee to me epitomizes the perfect girl with her cuteness, innocence, grace. Did I mention she has the sweetest face in the world. :wub: She is without a doubt the most beautiful and angelic girl to walk this planet. :wub: At least in my opinion :p I just thought I would share a little bit of my thoughts of how Alizee changed my outlook on life with people who knows where I am coming from.
Killian
07-23-2007, 10:23 AM
Welcome to the site, Ali. You've come to the right place. This site is filled with fans just like you, who have been struck by Alizée's charisma and aura, but are at a loss to explain what is causing their feelings. As you pointed it out, it is near impossible to place a finger on a single cause of the "Lili effect". At least now you can take comfort in the fact that you are not alone, and that you can share with people who understand and don't ridicule.
As I said, welcome to the site. :)
Welcome Ali!
Your description is colloquially called the "Alizée Effect".
isabella
07-23-2007, 11:24 AM
Hi Ali! welcome:D
And your not the only one that loves Alizée so much;)
espire
07-23-2007, 11:34 AM
OGRE, that's no colloquialism, it's the absolute truth :D.
chelsey
07-23-2007, 07:05 PM
welcome Ali...and thanks for your thoughts on Alizee..we all love her.... and we all are big fans of hers just like you:)
Cooney
07-23-2007, 08:11 PM
Hmm, the Alizée is strong in you! :-D
She's quite a gal, isn't she? Personally, I've stopped trying to understand why and how she does it, and focus instead of just loving every minute.
Welcome to the site.
Hmm, the Alizée is strong in you! :-D
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Lol, I know! I first saw her around mid-april of '06 and have been visiting this site since mid-June of '06. Yet, the feelings and emotions I get everytime I see her after not seeing her for a while, are as if I saw her for the very first time! It's that strong!
garçoncanadien
07-23-2007, 08:58 PM
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welcome here Ali :) this picture is meant for you :D
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welcome here Ali :) this picture is meant for you :D
Why thank you, my Canadian friend. Appreciate the pic :) I think it fits me perfectly!
Deepwaters
07-23-2007, 09:27 PM
I felt that wind, and knew it for itself -- it did not
Catch me unawares, and yet for naught
I set myself to stand, firm of foot,
And hold against the storm. Knowing, yet I opened
To the lily's love, and the wind took me,
Stepping with eyes open from the cliff
Just like the Fool. I am afire,
And cannot know how long I have to burn.
I felt that wind, and knew it for itself -- it did not
Catch me unawares, and yet for naught
I set myself to stand, firm of foot,
And hold against the storm. Knowing, yet I opened
To the lily's love, and the wind took me,
Stepping with eyes open from the cliff
Just like the Fool. I am afire,
And cannot know how long I have to burn.
Very nice poetry.
The topic of your next book could possibly be: The Alizee Effect
After all, they say write about what you know.
Lol, I know! I first saw her around mid-april of '06 and have been visiting this site since mid-June of '06. Yet, the feelings and emotions I get everytime I see her after not seeing her for a while, are as if I saw her for the very first time!
Same here. It' amazing the effect she has on people.
I felt that wind, and knew it for itself -- it did not
Catch me unawares, and yet for naught
I set myself to stand, firm of foot,
And hold against the storm. Knowing, yet I opened
To the lily's love, and the wind took me,
Stepping with eyes open from the cliff
Just like the Fool. I am afire,
And cannot know how long I have to burn.
That reminds me, don't forget to let us know when your book is going to be released!
To reflect my thoughts on Alizee, well, what can I say, I have never met a girl that has consumed my attention so much. I have seen many beautiful girls and celebrities but none has swayed me as Alizee have, heck, I have even joined a site about her something I would not have done for any other celebrity and I can guarantee I will not do so in the future. She has this "effect" that is hard to describe, maybe it's her singing in a foreign language, the way she presents herself on stage, her very sweet smile, it might be a combination of all of these, but she certainly has this "mesmerizing effect". When I see her videos all the problems in the world seems to go away. I have literally spent hours watching her videos over and over again, including the fan videos. Alizee to me has brought me great joy to my life through the good and the bad. For that she will always have a special place in my heart.:wub: Alizee to me epitomizes the perfect girl with her cuteness, innocence, grace. Did I mention she has the sweetest face in the world. :wub: She is without a doubt the most beautiful and angelic girl to walk this planet. :wub: At least in my opinion :p I just thought I would share a little bit of my thoughts of how Alizee changed my outlook on life with people who knows where I am coming from.
"Welcome Ali". I can assure you that we all feel the same way about Alizée. I too have never been part of any fan site or forum for any other celebrity. Alizée has left a very impressive impression on all of us, so welcome my friend and join the gang as we eagerly await her return. ;)
Matrix
07-24-2007, 03:46 AM
My thoughts on Alizee? well...she is one of a kind, she really is quite extraordinary. I think it has to do with the belief that she really thinks she is a tinkerbell, some angelic creature who magically can sway our thoughts and desires and is influenced by a higher being watching over her that is magically guiding her path in life
I think Alizee realizes her influence over people now and she understands she has this gift, this power to seduce us, to lure us into her world like some siren luring sailors to a rocky shore who become helplessly caught in a spell
Except in this case Alizee is luring us into her happy magical world of music. It's a combination of alot of things that go into making up Alizee, but whatever it is.. she has it all, she has got the entire package...
beauty, brains, talent, creativity, charisma, charm, class, seductive, and sophistication
Too bad we can't go to the store and buy an Alizee, lol :eek:
welcome Ali! glad you found the site
Deepwaters
07-24-2007, 09:48 AM
she really thinks she is a tinkerbell, some angelic creature who magically can sway our thoughts and desires and is influenced by a higher being watching over her that is magically guiding her path in life
She "thinks"?
It's the truth! :)
OGRE I'll let people know but I've just started looking for an agent, so it won't be right away.
I felt that wind, and knew it for itself -- it did not
Catch me unawares, and yet for naught
I set myself to stand, firm of foot,
And hold against the storm. Knowing, yet I opened
To the lily's love, and the wind took me,
Stepping with eyes open from the cliff
Just like the Fool. I am afire,
And cannot know how long I have to burn.
That is very deep :)
I think Alizee realizes her influence over people now and she understands she has this gift, this power to seduce us, to lure us into her world like some siren luring sailors to a rocky shore who become helplessly caught in a spell
Except in this case Alizee is luring us into her happy magical world of music. It's a combination of alot of things that go into making up Alizee, but whatever it is.. she has it all, she has got the entire package...
beauty, brains, talent, creativity, charisma, charm, class, seductive, and sophistication
Very True!!! and well put!!
Joey_adore_Jung
07-24-2007, 10:30 AM
bienvenue, i think, Ali welcome to the site. great meeting ya.... yeah.
Uméesha
07-24-2007, 11:00 AM
welcome to this beautiful alizee fan club ali,
Alizee is a beauty, awesome and wonderful being.... she is great in singing... her voice is beautiful more than honey....she is a beauty manufacturer.... more over she is an Angel(goddess)..... there is more to tell about alizee..........:)
crissa
07-24-2007, 11:22 AM
To be honest, Alizee had to grow on me. I've been a die-hard Mylene fan since I was 12, and I didn't understand why Mylene felt the need to produce what I was thinking to be "the French Britney Spears"
But more I checked her out (not like that guys...) the more interested I became. There was finally someone who sung about being a teenager, and it wasn't cheesy or overtly sexual. Even if someone older than her wrote the songs, Alizee totally owns everything she does with her voice. And it's nice to see a young celebrity who's genuine, and hasn't been pushed in the lime-light by "momagers" and "dadagers" (parent managers)
And yes, I know that Alizee has touched many lives, but I try not to put her on a pedestal, because she is human. I remember, being younger and calling Mylene a goddess, angel, all those types of things. She's not, and neither is Alizee. They're both human beings, exceptional ones at that, but human beings nonetheless. And I think being a true fan means you respect them and treat them as such.
Having said that, if I ever Mymy or Lili, I'd probably fall to my knees thanking God for the opportunity to meet real-live angels. But one can't be held responsible for their actions when they're in the presence of such beauty (particularly Alizee)
Deepwaters
07-24-2007, 11:53 AM
And yes, I know that Alizee has touched many lives, but I try not to put her on a pedestal, because she is human.
I'm of two minds about this. First off, straight up, you're right: people do tend to put celebrities on a pedestal and hold all kinds of illusions about them. Alizée is no exception.
But on the other hand, some of the abilities and effects people attribute to Alizée (and Mylène), which some might think to be calling her a goddess, angel, fairy, etc., are actually human abilities, ones Alizée seems to have in wholesale lots.
So people who talk about the "Alizée effect" are not, in fact, putting her on a pedestal. Those who talk about her changing their lives or healing their hearts are telling the simple truth. She can do that.
Joey_adore_Jung
07-24-2007, 11:57 AM
And yes, I know that Alizee has touched many lives, but I try not to put her on a pedestal, because she is human.
well i believe people only do that is because they feel that they are inferior so they create illusions to hope for. lots of people i bet probbably feel inferior around Alizée and other celebrtities. low self esteem really does a number.
I'm of two minds about this. First off, straight up, you're right: people do tend to put celebrities on a pedestal and hold all kinds of illusions about them. Alizée is no exception.
But on the other hand, some of the abilities and effects people attribute to Alizée (and Mylène), which some might think to be calling her a goddess, angel, fairy, etc., are actually human abilities, ones Alizée seems to have in wholesale lots.
So people who talk about the "Alizée effect" are not, in fact, putting her on a pedestal. Those who talk about her changing their lives or healing their hearts are telling the simple truth. She can do that.
The "Alizée effect" is very real. I am an example of that. I am a completely different person from the person I was before I met Lili. My out look on life has changed, I am happier, my goals have changed, I am more out-going, I am trying all new things such as different foreign foods, I am learning more about French and other foreign cultures, I am watching foreign films, I am listening to foreign music, I have changed my career path, and am now going to be the first person in my family to live outside of America in over a 100 years. This is the "Alizée effect", and I love it!:)
crissa
07-24-2007, 03:47 PM
The "Alizée effect" is very real. I am an example of that. I am a completely different person from the person I was before I met Lili. My out look on life has changed, I am happier, my goals have changed, I am more out-going, I am trying all new things such as different foreign foods, I am learning more about French and other foreign cultures, I am watching foreign films, I am listening to foreign music, I have changed my career path, and am now going to be the first person in my family to live outside of America in over a 100 years. This is the "Alizée effect", and I love it!:)
Well dang! Who needs energy drinks when you have Alizée? :D
I'm of two minds about this. First off, straight up, you're right: people do tend to put celebrities on a pedestal and hold all kinds of illusions about them. Alizée is no exception.
But on the other hand, some of the abilities and effects people attribute to Alizée (and Mylène), which some might think to be calling her a goddess, angel, fairy, etc., are actually human abilities, ones Alizée seems to have in wholesale lots.
So people who talk about the "Alizée effect" are not, in fact, putting her on a pedestal. Those who talk about her changing their lives or healing their hearts are telling the simple truth. She can do that.
The "effect" does not necessarily flow from the celebrity's persona. Rather, the persona energizes something in ourselves that creates something beyond both the celebrity and ourselves. Alizée is like a prism that turns the light of her fans it a beautiful rainbow. We are part of the effect.
I suspect Alizée would find our lofty descriptions of her somewhat worrisome. A celebrity can get wrapped up in this, not just in the fame (which I believe Alizée has handled well), but also in the reverse situation. A situation where the celebrity knows they are not the person their fans make them to be, and are constantly worried that they will fail to live up to the expectation. That they will someone be "found out".
In the case of the latter, I truly hope someone close to Alizée can explain that there is no need to live up to our expectations. Don't even try. Don't worry about being "found out". Just be true to yourself, and let the fans magnify that truth to lofty heights. For it's not Alizée's ability to reach those heights that brings us healing and peace, but simply our ability to believe it can be so.
Deepwaters
07-24-2007, 08:39 PM
Oh, OGRE.
OK, everything you said was true. But NONE of it related to the quote you preceded it with from me! I wasn't painting a "lofty image" of Alizée, or anything that would be difficult for her to live up to. In fact, it would be quite impossible for her NOT to live up to it.
What do you find extraordinary about what I said, anyway?
Zack -Alizee Lover-
07-24-2007, 08:49 PM
I think Alizée rocks.... why the hell you guys write this long answers... i think it would be easier to read the bible than ur post.
Deepwaters
07-24-2007, 08:57 PM
why the hell you guys write this long answers
Because we like hearing ourselves talk. :p
You don't have to read them, you know. It's :cool:
B_M_E
07-24-2007, 09:05 PM
My thoughts on Alizee? well...she is one of a kind, she really is quite extraordinary. I think it has to do with the belief that she really thinks she is a tinkerbell, some angelic creature who magically can sway our thoughts and desires and is influenced by a higher being watching over her that is magically guiding her path in life
I think Alizee realizes her influence over people now and she understands she has this gift, this power to seduce us, to lure us into her world like some siren luring sailors to a rocky shore who become helplessly caught in a spell
Except in this case Alizee is luring us into her happy magical world of music. It's a combination of alot of things that go into making up Alizee, but whatever it is.. she has it all, she has got the entire package...
beauty, brains, talent, creativity, charisma, charm, class, seductive, and sophistication
Too bad we can't go to the store and buy an Alizee, lol :eek:
If Alizée had a bible about her, those would be her 10 commandments.
And yes, I know that Alizee has touched many lives, but I try not to put her on a pedestal, because she is human. I remember, being younger and calling Mylene a goddess, angel, all those types of things. She's not, and neither is Alizee. They're both human beings, exceptional ones at that, but human beings nonetheless. And I think being a true fan means you respect them and treat them as such.
I don't think people or at least not me are referring to her "angel" as if in the literal since of the word. For I would never elevate her status to divine, for that is only reserved for God. I recognize that she is a human being, nonetheless, she is a very, very special girl!
The "Alizée effect" is very real. I am an example of that. I am a completely different person from the person I was before I met Lili. My out look on life has changed, I am happier, my goals have changed, I am more out-going, I am trying all new things such as different foreign foods, I am learning more about French and other foreign cultures, I am watching foreign films, I am listening to foreign music, I have changed my career path, and am now going to be the first person in my family to live outside of America in over a 100 years. This is the "Alizée effect", and I love it!:)
I had many of the changes that you had. I am more optimistic, want to do something great, I am more out-going, before I used to kinda live in a shell. Now I am more open, I talk to people more. And you know what you get to learn a lot of intersting and new things if you just talk to people. I learned things about people that I would never know and changed my previous mispreceptions about them significantly. I delved into conversations about life and society in general, that I would probably have never done before. Aside from being more open, I learned that there is this great big world outside the "United States". The world just doesn't revlove around us. I am now more interested in France and french culture as well as other countires/cultures. I want to learn French and I have seen one or two foreign films and have been exposed to some great European music! I now have a strong desire to travel to Europe and see all the great cities of Europe, someday I will God willing. All these changes aren't necessarily Alizee's doing, there are other factors, but she is a major part of it. So yeah, there certainly is an "Alizee effect"!:)
Killian
07-24-2007, 11:32 PM
If Alizée had a bible about her, those would be her 10 commandments.
Nah, it would probably be the equivalent of the Buddhist 7 steps to enlightenment. But as Alizée perfection is more radical than that of Buddha's (depending on your point of view), we need ten steps to reach her level.
Joey_adore_Jung
07-24-2007, 11:47 PM
Nah, it would probably be the equivalent of the Buddhist 7 steps to enlightenment. But as Alizée perfection is more radical than that of Buddha's (depending on your point of view), we need ten steps to reach her level.
i agree.
well if you view it like that it could take mere eternity to reach her lvl which maybe we should try to make it there.
I think Alizée rocks.... why the hell you guys write this long answers... i think it would be easier to read the bible than ur post.
When you can type close to 100 words per minute, it doesn't take long to write something long.
...and on the seventh day, God created Alizée. [Oh my, it rhymes!]
I suspect Alizée would find our lofty descriptions of her somewhat worrisome. A celebrity can get wrapped up in this, not just in the fame (which I believe Alizée has handled well), but also in the reverse situation. A situation where the celebrity knows they are not the person their fans make them to be, and are constantly worried that they will fail to live up to the expectation. That they will someone be "found out".
I think you are quite right in your assessment. I don't think Alizee would ever thought that she would have this kind of an effect on people, especially guys. I personally think she is somewhat surprised by peoples reaction to her, well at least initially, when she started off in the industry, now she knows she has this effect and uses it to her advantage. In real life I think Alizee is a down to earth girl, with many of the characteristics of normal people, she has to deal with issues that she might come across, raising a kid, family and friends, among other things.
I will give you one thing though, she is really into image control. Thats why she never allows fans that she might have met on the street to post pics of her in public on the web or anywhere. If you see some of her photos on the street taken by some paparazzi she looks like a typical girl, a girl you would not even notice if you came across her on the street. Basically, she wants to look good all the time to her fans and people in general, so she doesn't allow fans to just post random photos of her. When she is on some television shows though she carefully coordinates her image to look her absolute best. Thats why we are in deep love with her. :wub:
fsquared
07-26-2007, 01:09 AM
I think you are quite right in your assessment. I don't think Alizee would ever thought that she would have this kind of an effect on people, especially guys. I personally think she is somewhat surprised by peoples reaction to her, well at least initially, when she started off in the industry, now she knows she has this effect and uses it to her advantage. In real life I think Alizee is a down to earth girl, with many of the characteristics of normal people, she has to deal with issues that she might come across, raising a kid, family and friends, among other things.
I will give you one thing though, she is really into image control. Thats why she never allows fans that she might have met on the street to post pics of her in public on the web or anywhere. If you see some of her photos on the street taken by some paparazzi she looks like a typical girl, a girl you would not even notice if you came across her on the street. Basically, she wants to look good all the time to her fans and people in general, so she doesn't allow fans to just post random photos of her. When she is on some television shows though she carefully coordinates her image to look her absolute best. Thats why we are in deep love with her. :wub:
She's definitely got Britney and Lindsay beat these days on that front, that's for sure. Regardless of what she's up to (and the Alizee media-construct has not given us consumers any reason to imagine much in the way of horrors), absolute invisibility beats mugshots and dogs-pooping-on-$6K-dress interview-fiascos hands-down. :p
Britney and Lindsay aren't even in the same ballfield as Lili. Lili beats them in every way.
crissa
07-26-2007, 04:01 PM
Britney and Lindsay aren't even in the same ballfield as Lili. Lili beats them in every way.
Amen to that.
*I say that with sadness...because I miss the old Lindsay...:confused:
Deepwaters
07-26-2007, 07:41 PM
Britney and Lindsay aren't even in the same ballfield as Lili. Lili beats them in every way.
Oh GAWD yes! I knew Britney was bad news the first time I ever saw her, and this latest business of her blaming her mother for everything that's gone wrong in her life confirms it. :rolleyes: If we needed any further confirmation.
But Alizée is in a class by herself. :wub:
fsquared
07-27-2007, 12:35 AM
It's interesting to see how things have played out relative to press predictions. Here's an article comparing Alizée and Britney as future moms (from 2004).
http://www.alizee-fanpage.com/page.php?language=ger&content=showpress&id=260&lang=gb
atra201
07-27-2007, 03:51 AM
To reflect my thoughts on Alizee, well, what can I say, I have never met a girl that has consumed my attention so much. I have seen many beautiful girls and celebrities but none has swayed me as Alizee have, heck, I have even joined a site about her something I would not have done for any other celebrity and I can guarantee I will not do so in the future. She has this "effect" that is hard to describe, maybe it's her singing in a foreign language, the way she presents herself on stage, her very sweet smile, it might be a combination of all of these, but she certainly has this "mesmerizing effect". When I see her videos all the problems in the world seems to go away. I have literally spent hours watching her videos over and over again, including the fan videos. Alizee to me has brought me great joy to my life through the good and the bad. For that she will always have a special place in my heart.:wub: Alizee to me epitomizes the perfect girl with her cuteness, innocence, grace. Did I mention she has the sweetest face in the world. :wub: She is without a doubt the most beautiful and angelic girl to walk this planet. :wub: At least in my opinion :p I just thought I would share a little bit of my thoughts of how Alizee changed my outlook on life with people who knows where I am coming from.
the same happens to me and more
Uméesha
07-27-2007, 10:21 AM
the same happens to me and more
yes the same happens to me too but slightly different thoughts....
She's definitely got Britney and Lindsay beat these days on that front, that's for sure. Regardless of what she's up to (and the Alizee media-construct has not given us consumers any reason to imagine much in the way of horrors), absolute invisibility beats mugshots and dogs-pooping-on-$6K-dress interview-fiascos hands-down. :p
Funny you brought this up, I was just thinking about Britney and Lindsay the other day, with regards to Alizee. Anyways, Britney doesn't even touch Alizee, she is basically a trailor park trash and Lindsay to lesser extent but still a wreck. What I like about Alizee is that she has morals, here is one of her quotes:
"I like boys to be gentle, kind and loving. But the most important quality for me is fidelity. An unfaithful boy is not a boy for me."
Would you look at that, a girl with morals, not like some girls who go around flirting with every guy they find. Alizee was certainly raised well and comes from a good family, hence, all the good qualities that she exhibit. :)
Funny you brought this up, I was just thinking about Britney and Lindsay the other day, with regards to Alizee. Anyways, Britney doesn't even touch Alizee, she is basically a trailor park trash and Lindsay to lesser extent but still a wreck. What I like about Alizee is that she has morals, here is one of her quotes:
"I like boys to be gentle, kind and loving. But the most important quality for me is fidelity. An unfaithful boy is not a boy for me."
Would you look at that, a girl with morals, not like some girls who go around flirting with every guy they find. Alizee was certainly raised well and comes from a good family, hence, all the good qualities that she exhibit. :)
I think Lili was also added by the fact that she grew up away from the action. Lili grew up in Corsica. It is out of the hub-bub of mainland Europe and is a society all its own. She grew up like a normal kid. She still loves the simple life of Corsica, and never forgets where she came from. She has kept her morals, and doesn't sell her self short to get ahead in life. All this has crafted a wonderful person.
Joey_adore_Jung
07-27-2007, 03:36 PM
I think Lili was also added by the fact that she grew up away from the action. Lili grew up in Corsica. It is out of the hub-bub of mainland Europe and is a society all its own. She grew up like a normal kid. She still loves the simple life of Corsica, and never forgets where she came from. She has kept her morals, and doesn't sell her self short to get ahead in life. All this has crafted a wonderful person.
though i am not at all religious thank god that she is the person she is. though it was really her who crafted her own being.
though i am not at all religious thank god that she is the person she is. though it was really her who crafted her own being.
And this makes her even more wonderful. She made herself the responsible person she is.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 06:23 PM
What I like about Alizee is that she has morals, here is one of her quotes:
"I like boys to be gentle, kind and loving. But the most important quality for me is fidelity. An unfaithful boy is not a boy for me."
Would you look at that, a girl with morals, not like some girls who go around flirting with every guy they find.
Hmm. Not to burst your bubble there, Ali, but what she's saying, if you look at it in context, is that she's jealous and possessive. This isn't a moral position, it's just being honest about what she needs emotionally.
I'm not saying that she's not a good, honorable, honest, compassionate, and generally fine person; but "moral" can mean either that -- or a believer in traditional Christian or Muslim (or whatever) morality, in which case you'd almost certainly be wrong. She had at least two, probably more, boyfriends before Jérem', and was sexually active from a young age. She certainly doesn't take the institution of marriage seriously at all, witness the cavalier way she and Jérémy tied the knot in Vegas and the fact that she's probably unmarried (legally) in France, meaning she had a child out of wedlock -- although not outside a committed relationship. Which to me is more important, but not to tradition.
She's good-hearted and responsible not self-destructive, which means I consider her moral from my own Pagan perspective; but don't make the mistake of thinking she's "moral" in a religious-tradition sense.
espire
07-27-2007, 07:07 PM
Deepwaters, while I am sincerely intrigued by exactly what you believe in, that's for a different time.
After a little bit of thought, I have to say that I agree with you, except for your calling Lili immoral from a religious view. Just being sexually active does not make you an immoral person, there are many factors that "religion" considers. So while her sexual life is not considered moral by traditional terms, there's a lot more to her.
For example, what of all the volunteering/charity work that Lili has done? Religion certainly considers that to be a good thing. In fact, the goodheartedness, responsibility and lack of self-destructiveness are also taken into account and considered very important by religion.
Again, I am really intrigued by your beliefs, because the only definition that I know is that a Pagan is one who is not monotheistic; I am very interested to learn more.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 07:21 PM
That's probably for a different thread, Espire.
You're right that I was too simplistic there and made too broad a statement, but I was speaking to Ali's remark about her insisting her lover be faithful. It seemed to me Ali was taking that as an endorsement of traditional monogamy, when if you read the interview all she was saying was that she wasn't one to put up with being cheated on. (I suspect she'd be awfully hard to get away with cheating on, too, in the sense of keeping it a secret from her.)
Yes, "morality" is a wide-ranging term, and to me Alizée is a remarkably good person.
though i am not at all religious thank god
Nice.
:blink:
Joey_adore_Jung
07-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Nice.
:blink:
here let me edit that,
though i am not REligious, thank god for ALizée being the way she is.
fsquared
07-27-2007, 08:14 PM
That's probably for a different thread, Espire.
You're right that I was too simplistic there and made too broad a statement, but I was speaking to Ali's remark about her insisting her lover be faithful. It seemed to me Ali was taking that as an endorsement of traditional monogamy, when if you read the interview all she was saying was that she wasn't one to put up with being cheated on. (I suspect she'd be awfully hard to get away with cheating on, too, in the sense of keeping it a secret from her.)
Yes, "morality" is a wide-ranging term, and to me Alizée is a remarkably good person.
Strangely, I think I was so inured to current goings-on that it actually didn't occur to me that your statement "not 'moral' in a religious-tradition sense" might be taken as some sort of aspersion in this context. (Although I recall some fellow from Iraq, Khubuz I think his name was, over in AF back in 2003 getting remarkably bent out of shape about these issues.)
The other thing (and I think I've probably made my opinion on that clear before so I shouldn't be beating a dead horse about it because it's a matter of incontrovertible fact which is merely unknown to us) is that whole thing about their marriage not necessarily being registered in France. I mean, they're rich and famous, they must have lawyers, and it seems like it would be an aberration for them not to have filled out the appropriate paperwork to register in France (not to mention presumably wanting the appropriate legal rights that are conferred). (Of course, something of this nature happened to Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall, but I think it was because the original Indonesian marriage was not processed properly). But that's still just an opinion on my part, so it's no use actually debating it.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 08:22 PM
Fsquared, the reason I think they're legally unmarried in France -- not that it's important -- is because it wouldn't be a simple matter of "registering" their American marriage with the French government. They would have to actually get married there, and this would require (among other things) publishing the banns X number of days before the ceremony in the place where they lived, or where one of them had lived/maintained a residence for the past 40 days, which would in this case mean either Paris or Ajaccio. Had that happened, some enterprising snoop or other would have dug up the details and we would know all about it. French marriage law is a strange thing. That sort of requirement is why the marriage of two French citizens in a foreign country is usually not recognized in France.
There may be different rules for married foreigners moving to France, but as both Alizée and Jérémy are French citizens those rules don't matter in this case.
fsquared
07-27-2007, 08:37 PM
Just for reference, the rules are here (last time this came up was also in a thread of mine :p).
http://www.ambafrance-us.org/fr/partirusa/mariage.asp
Note that (and my French isn't so hot) my impression is that it doesn't say that you have to get married again, just that you have to put up the banns after you get back. I guess you're relying on this thing about the banns that need to be published.
I did find however an interesting rule regarding this:
http://www.mariage.fr/article/sengager/bancs.cfm
The google-translated form of the last paragraph reads:
It should be noted also that it happens that an exemption of publication is granted by the public prosecutor, when the advertisement of a union is likely to disturb the law and order, for example when the marriage relates to stars or known personalities, or individuals translated in the course of bases.
So it seems entirely likely that such an exemption could have been granted in this case.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 08:47 PM
Interesting, but I still think it would be impossible for them to get married and have it remain perpetually a secret. As for civil benefits, please check this out:
http://brittany.angloinfo.com/countries/france/pacs.asp
(Although in fact it might be difficult to keep THAT a secret as well.)
If you're wealthy and have an unconventional job, the civic benefits become less compelling anyway.
Killian
07-27-2007, 08:58 PM
From everywhere I have checked it would seem the only requirement, beyond age restrictions (which I found a little strange), were residence in the town in which you plan to get married for forty days previously, which wouldn't be a problem. Where did you find out it had to be published Deep?
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 08:58 PM
Well, "thoughts about Alizée" is a very broad topic and this one fits under it, so: I think something is in the works. I think we're going to hear from her over the next few days. Either the official web site will come back up, or there will be an official announcement about the new album, or something equivalent, by the end of next week.
I've already been wrong in one prediction, which I think has used up my quota of misses for the time being. But we'll see. :cool:
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 09:01 PM
From everywhere I have checked it would seem the only requirement, beyond age restrictions (which I found a little strange), were residence in the town in which you plan to get married for forty days previously, which wouldn't be a problem. Where did you find out it had to be published Deep?
Here's one site that explains the rules in English:
http://www.beyond.fr/a/marriage.html
The possibility of waiving the requirement is mentioned.
Killian
07-27-2007, 09:03 PM
Well, "thoughts about Alizée" is a very broad topic and this one fits under it, so: I think something is in the works. I think we're going to hear from her over the next few days. Either the official web site will come back up, or there will be an official announcement about the new album, or something equivalent, by the end of next week.
And, what, may I be so bold as to ask, is putting these thoughts in your mind?
You had better have a good reason, beyond a fool's hope, otherwise your making me excited for nothing ;).
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 09:21 PM
And, what, may I be so bold as to ask, is putting these thoughts in your mind?
You had better have a good reason, beyond a fool's hope, otherwise your making me excited for nothing ;).
LOL let's hope that doesn't happen. ;)
Here's one site that explains the rules in English:
http://www.beyond.fr/a/marriage.html
The possibility of waiving the requirement is mentioned.
Wow! What a list. Especially the Certificate of Celibacy. :blink:
I think Lili was also added by the fact that she grew up away from the action. Lili grew up in Corsica. It is out of the hub-bub of mainland Europe and is a society all its own. She grew up like a normal kid. She still loves the simple life of Corsica, and never forgets where she came from. She has kept her morals, and doesn't sell her self short to get ahead in life. All this has crafted a wonderful person.
I agree that she certainly has been influenced by the environment that she lives in, Corsica is a beautiful place. Had she been raised in a cosmopoitian city like Paris, Lyon or even Marseille, I think she might have been different. We are often influenced by the environment that we surround ourselves in. I believe it was in the Passengers interview where she says that she has a very Corsican personality and that she is very strong.
Well, "thoughts about Alizée" is a very broad topic and this one fits under it, so: I think something is in the works. I think we're going to hear from her over the next few days. Either the official web site will come back up, or there will be an official announcement about the new album, or something equivalent, by the end of next week.
I've already been wrong in one prediction, which I think has used up my quota of misses for the time being. But we'll see. :cool:
So, a few days to clear out the remnants of the Tour de France... and then Alizee has a downhill run.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 09:54 PM
So, a few days to clear out the remnants of the Tour de France... and then Alizee has a downhill run.
Hadn't thought of that, but yes, the Tour's last day is this Sunday. That fits, too.
Hmm. Not to burst your bubble there, Ali, but what she's saying, if you look at it in context, is that she's jealous and possessive. This isn't a moral position, it's just being honest about what she needs emotionally.
I respectfully disagree, I don't at all find her jealous or possessive at all. I think she literally means that she doesn't like boys who are unfaithful and I could understand that. For me fidelity is important if I am with a girl, I don't care how good looking you are if you are unfaithful, than I too don't want anything to do with you. I would give the same faithfulness and commitment in return in a relationship.
She had at least two, probably more, boyfriends before Jérem', and was sexually active from a young age.
And how are you my friend would be so acquainted regarding her sex life that you would know that "she was sexually active from a young age". How do know that she wasn't a virgin till she met Jeremy? With regards to the cavalier way that she got married, well at least she did get married, and THEN had a kid, so technically she did not have a kid out of wedlock. Seems to me it was important for her to get married and then have a kid, which is very important to me too BTW.
Point is she is far more moral that Britney and is not self destructive like Lindsay.
B_M_E
07-27-2007, 10:19 PM
omg !!
Alizée's official myspace is available again !! this can only mean that her come back will be soon, very soon !!
http://www.myspace.com/alizee_jacotey
je crois mes amis que l'alizé est enfin entrain de souffler de nouveau parmis nous :) :)
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 10:31 PM
I respectfully disagree, I don't at all find her jealous or possessive at all.
She says she is. I personally haven't been in a position to find out, but see no reason not to take her word for it.
How do know that she wasn't a virgin till she met Jeremy?
She said she wasn't.
With regards to the cavalier way that she got married, well at least she did get married, and THEN had a kid, so technically she did not have a kid out of wedlock. Seems to me it was important for her to get married and then have a kid, which is very important to me too BTW.
I don't think that's a fair assessment; truth is we don't know why they got married in Las Vegas. Jérémy stated once that they did it on a whim, i.e. they were there for some other reason, I guess to check out the sights and/or gamble, and while they were there just decided to do it. Maybe that's true. But if the motivation was what you are saying, i.e. that it was important to be married before having the baby, then either they would have gotten married in France, or they would have had the baby in America, because they are married here and I don't believe they are married there.
Point is she is far more moral that Britney and is not self destructive like Lindsay.
I agree with that, of course (not that it's saying much -- I would go a lot further and say that she's a better, more morally honorable person than most people who DO believe in conventional sexual morality).
But my point is that all the evidence we have, says she does NOT.
Deepwaters
07-27-2007, 11:01 PM
omg !!
Alizée's official myspace is available again !! this can only mean that her come back will be soon, very soon !!
Alizée has no myspace page. That's a fake. Sorry. :(
Look for the return of her official web page at moi-alizée.com. That will be the best signal. Ignore myspace.
She said she wasn't.
When did she say this?
She said she wasn't.
Really? :blink: Proof please.
I don't think that's a fair assessment; truth is we don't know why they got married in Las Vegas. Jérémy stated once that they did it on a whim, i.e. they were there for some other reason, I guess to check out the sights and/or gamble, and while they were there just decided to do it. Maybe that's true. But if the motivation was what you are saying, i.e. that it was important to be married before having the baby, then either they would have gotten married in France, or they would have had the baby in America, because they are married here and I don't believe they are married there.
You missed my point completely, I am not trying to explain why she got married on Vegas. I am saying that she had a kid AFTER she got married and not BEFORE. I am pretty sure she could have decided to have a kid before marriage but decided not to. Anyways, me and you cannot delve deeply into her thought process, we are not close to her on a personal level.
Deepwaters
07-28-2007, 12:15 AM
Ali, I'm sorry but I'm not sufficiently interested in changing your mind about this to go digging through all the old interviews for what probably will amount to several hours trying to find that quote again. You're free to doubt me on it if you like, but there was a pre-Jérémy interview I saw in which she stated she was not a virgin at that time. Not exactly an amazing statement in this day and age, of course. The surprising thing would have been if she said otherwise.
All of this goes to the business about putting her on a pedestal and seeing qualities in her that we want to be there. Also, I believe that a special difficulty in understanding Alizée is suffered by cultural conservatives, who typically see only two alternatives, namely those who believe in a moral code pretty much like their own, and those who believe in none.
There is a third alternative, however. A person can have very strong moral convictions that differ from yours, but nevertheless instill a powerful sense of responsibility.
If Alizée held the attitude toward marriage that you do and that you are ascribing to her, then her behavior makes no sense at all. She would have gotten properly married in France, not in one of those instant-marriage places in Las Vegas. Her husband would not thereafter describe their wedding as a "whim," either, because it wouldn't be one. I'll grant you that her wedding, such as it was, took place before the baby was born (probably before she was conceived), but that's legalistic thinking. The whole picture still doesn't make sense in terms of what you're trying to say here.
There have been several interviews in which Alizée described her religious views, and it's very clear that she's about as conventional and orthodox as -- well, as I am. She practices magic of some kind, occultism of some kind. (She's very good at it, I'll add from personal experience.) She believes in spirits and conducted seances when she was a girl. She believes in reincarnation. She has a special relationship with dolphins, which looks very much to me like either a shamanic initiation or at least a natural inclination that way, with the dolphin as her totem spirit. She believes in some kind of "higher power," but not necessarily in God.
You see what I'm getting at here? She is just NOT a cultural conservative or a holder of traditional spiritual or moral values. Totally the contrary. But neither is she amoral or unprincipled. She has very strong principles. It's just that, on some important points, they're quite different from the ones you seem to think she holds.
fsquared
07-28-2007, 01:17 AM
When did she say this?
A quick search on alizee-forum.com will bring up various threads where this topic has been discussed (from way back in 2003 or so.) I tried to click on one press link but it changed since then, sorry. I think it was an interview in some celebrity series of interviews about "your first time".
So, Deepwaters, do you want to be Rosencrantz? Or Guildenstern?
(Whoops. Wrong absurdist play).
I mean, do you want to be Vladimir? Or Estragon?
(Oops. Running joke. Well, I guess would be a joke if anyone ever laughed at it. Well, one person did once.)
Zack -Alizee Lover-
07-28-2007, 01:28 AM
Alizée doesnt have an official blog or Myspace.
1) Why are they mixing Spanish with English.
2) Why use a blog or Myspace when you got your own official website? (www.moi-alizee.com)
3) Not every blog or Myspace claiming to be Alizée is realy going to be her.
Ali, I'm sorry but I'm not sufficiently interested in changing your mind about this to go digging through all the old interviews for what probably will amount to several hours trying to find that quote again. You're free to doubt me on it if you like.
Thats cool dude. :) Asking for proof to back up what you are saying doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe you. ;)
All of this goes to the business about putting her on a pedestal and seeing qualities in her that we want to be there.
Who says anything about putting her on a pedestal and seeing qualities in her that we want to be there. Pardon me if I come of as such, but as I indicated in my previous posts that I would not hold up her as such and say something like, that she is divine, for example. The thing is in these day and age we have artists who doesn't hesitate to take their clothes off to get ahead, with exception of a few. With Alizee, she is different, she holds certain standards, that I have observed and was merely commenting on it.
Also, I believe that a special difficulty in understanding Alizée is suffered by cultural conservatives, who typically see only two alternatives, namely those who believe in a moral code pretty much like their own, and those who believe in none.
Don't call me a "cultural conservative", because I am not one. This has nothing to do with "culture" for culture and religion, more specifically believes that are rooted in monotheism (Christianity, Judiasm, Islam) are two different things, thats where I am coming from. Thats YOU putting ME on a pedestal and being judgemental about things that I am not. For your info I have many friends who have different believes. I have even had discussion with atheist freinds, one in particular who I am really close to (who believes in reincarnation), regarding things such as morality.
She is just NOT a holder of traditional spiritual or moral values.
Seems to me YOU are the one who is seeing things in her that YOU want to see. Like I said before, you are not close to her to accurately say what her believes are deep down inside. I think people close to her like her friends and relatives could give an accurate picture about her believes and personality since they know her on a personal level.
Notheless, I would be highly interested to know her believes for I have an open mind to different believes and are interested in learning about different religions or culture. So if someone can find links to her believes, religious or not, I would be interested in reading it. I do believe I read somewhere that she is a Christian, more specifically a Catholic. Most people in Corsica are Chrisitians anyways-----Link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04396b.htm
fsquared
07-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Wherever this discussion goes...no religious debates, please! That's the kind of place where RMJ went over the edge in AF and led him to remove himself as moderator.
My thoughts on Alizee? well...she is one of a kind, she really is quite extraordinary. I think it has to do with the belief that she really thinks she is a tinkerbell, some angelic creature who magically can sway our thoughts and desires and is influenced by a higher being watching over her that is magically guiding her path in life
Where did you hear about this? I am curious.
marik
07-29-2007, 05:24 AM
Where did you hear about this? I am curious.
maybe Tinkerbell! hehe:D
Wherever this discussion goes...no religious debates, please! That's the kind of place where RMJ went over the edge in AF and led him to remove himself as moderator.
Oh i don't mind discussion about religion fsquared. I am interested in peoples beliefs and religion. As long as the discussion stays civil. :)
Where did you hear about this? I am curious.
I am not sure if I can find a place where she said this. But she did say that she was born under a lucky star (which is true :)) in this interview:
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=35
atra201
07-29-2007, 02:51 PM
if it is apropraite to say:
Alizee is a babe
atra201
07-29-2007, 02:53 PM
I am not sure if I can find a place where she said this. But she did say that she was born under a lucky star (which is true :)) in this interview:
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=35
i'm not sure i understand you
who is the lucky one here Alizee or the star?:D
Amelie
07-29-2007, 03:24 PM
i'm not sure i understand you
who is the lucky one here Alizee or the star?:D
lol, Alizee of course. well, she is just a human like everybody after all. of course, i'm her fan duh, but it is not needed to completely lose your mind for her :(
Stringer
07-29-2007, 07:12 PM
sometimes its hard not to :(
fsquared
08-12-2007, 03:49 PM
Aha, the infamous "Alizee's first time" article resurfaces.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=565831#post565831
The conversation cycle repeats....
Killian
08-12-2007, 04:01 PM
Funny, you'd think I would have read that before...
I don't really know what to think about it. I suppose there is nothing wrong with it, if she felt ready. And if she felt it was the right judgement, who are we to question it? I don't necessarily agree with her decision, but I can't really fault it.
I had heard Deep talk of it before, so even though it is my first time reading it, I wasn't completely blind to it, so I wasn't shocked reading it.
Edit: As for the argument about it being fake, it is very possible, but I couldn't see Mylène allowing her little prodigy's reputation to be tarnished in such a vicious way.
Deepwaters
08-12-2007, 05:24 PM
About Alizée and magic, there are a number of interviews where that's come up but this may be the most comprehensive:
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/briandrush/fande011wj5.jpg
Translation to follow.
Deepwaters
08-12-2007, 05:42 PM
Do you believe in extraterrestrials?
Yes, but I do not imagine them at all like E.T. No more do I imagine them as having a head and arms like in the movies or the cartoons. They must resemble Barbapapa. I think they are rather nice. As for their language, they must communicate ultrasonically, like dolphins or like the aliens in the film "Mars Attacks". I would like to believe in extraterrestrials, but as of today, I have had no encounters of the third kind.
Do you believe in ghosts?
I believe in spirits. I practiced spiritism with my girlfriends several years ago. We had settled in a room. A spirit manifested and communicated with us with the aid of a glass that pointed out the letters of the alphabet. We asked it numerous questions. Its responses were sometimes incomprehensible! When the cleaning lady came in, she howled like a crazy person. She immediately understood that we were invoking spirits. The day after our spiritism séance, we went to break the glass that we had used in a cemetery. Unfortunately, it was a wedding gift which had belonged to my friend's mother! That made a whole story because it was very valuable.
You weren't afraid?
I was a little, but I was reassured because my friends were with me.
[I'm skipping some of these questions.]
Do you believe in astrology?
I'm coming to. I read my horoscope, but I don't hold it as inevitable. What's in the daily newspaper doesn't have complete influence, even if sometimes it reveals exactly.
Do you believe in God?
Yes, I believe in something higher, but I am not practicing. I have taken communion, I have taken the catechism, but I don't say all of my prayers.
Do you believe in reincarnation?
Yes. I don't know what my past lives were, but I'm pretty sure I am reincarnated from a boy. I don't know why, but sometimes, I respond like a guy.
Killian
08-12-2007, 05:50 PM
Thanks Deep, that's an intresting article. I'm trying to understand some of it myself, and I understood quite a bit of the first two parts.
Something confused me though: I would have translated "il ya quelques années" as a few years ago rather than for several years. Am I wrong when I do this?
Also is the third one:
You weren't afraid?
I was a little, but I was reassured because my friends were with me.
Deepwaters
08-12-2007, 05:57 PM
You're right, Killian; editing the post to fix. (I got confused because "années" usually refers, or so I thought, to a duration of time rather than a fixed point.)
There are other things in other interviews along these lines, and things like her habit of making the horns sign against the evil eye. Or statements like the one in the Fun TV interview when she brings the box of Japanese foods out to make the interviewer sample them, and she said she was like Tinkerbell, nobody sees her (when she doesn't want to be seen).
Actually I discovered her magic through my magic, long before seeing any of these interviews, and sat on it for quite a while thinking it was a big secret. Damn near bit my tongue in half a few times . . . ;)
Do you believe in extraterrestrials?
Yes, but I do not imagine them at all like E.T. No more do I imagine them as having a head and arms like in the movies or the cartoons. They must resemble Barbapapa. I think they are rather nice. As for their language, they must communicate ultrasonically, like dolphins or like the aliens in the film "Mars Attacks". I would like to believe in extraterrestrials, but as of today, I have had no encounters of the third kind.
Do you believe in ghosts?
I believe in spirits. I practiced spiritism with my girlfriends several years ago. We had settled in a room. A spirit manifested and communicated with us with the aid of a glass that pointed out the letters of the alphabet. We asked it numerous questions. Its responses were sometimes incomprehensible! When the cleaning lady came in, she howled like a crazy person. She immediately understood that we were invoking spirits. The day after our spiritism séance, we went to break the glass that we had used in a cemetery. Unfortunately, it was a wedding gift which had belonged to my friend's mother! That made a whole story because it was very valuable.
You weren't afraid?
I was a little, but I was reassured because my friends were with me.
[I'm skipping some of these questions.]
Do you believe in astrology?
I'm coming to. I read my horoscope, but I don't hold it as inevitable. What's in the daily newspaper doesn't have complete influence, even if sometimes it reveals exactly.
Do you believe in God?
Yes, I believe in something higher, but I am not practicing. I have taken communion, I have taken the catechism, but I don't say all of my prayers.
Do you believe in reincarnation?
Yes. I don't know what my past lives were, but I'm pretty sure I am reincarnated from a boy. I don't know why, but sometimes, I respond like a guy.
This interview has made me love her even more. She believes in extarterrestrials, she believes in spirits, and she isn't afraid to mess with magic. She is awsome. I messed with a séance board a while back, and it was pretty freaky.
Deepwaters, what do you mean by her magic? Do you think she can do magic? If she can then that is interesting in a good way.
Deepwaters
08-12-2007, 11:12 PM
Deepwaters, what do you mean by her magic? Do you think she can do magic? If she can then that is interesting in a good way.
Yes, I certainly do, and for someone that young she seems very good at it. Although I was, too, at her age.
As far as abilities I've encountered myself, she's highly telepathic, a very good healer, and also very good at telepathic screening and hiding what she wants hidden. She's healed/helped a number of people who have said something about it on this and other forums, including me of course. And the weird, benign power she has over people, the so-called "Alizée Effect," is telepathic in nature. She may have other talents as well that I haven't seen.
I don't know what she's done in the way of study or formal initiation. I know there must be some, but it could have come from any number of sources.
Yes, I certainly do, and for someone that young she seems very good at it. Although I was, too, at her age.
As far as abilities I've encountered myself, she's highly telepathic, a very good healer, and also very good at telepathic screening and hiding what she wants hidden. She's healed/helped a number of people who have said something about it on this and other forums, including me of course. And the weird, benign power she has over people, the so-called "Alizée Effect," is telepathic in nature. She may have other talents as well that I haven't seen.
I don't know what she's done in the way of study or formal initiation. I know there must be some, but it could have come from any number of sources.
Are you saying she has healed you or comunicated in some telepathic way? I am not saying I don't eblieve you, because I do. I myself and my some of my mom's side of the family have unique abilities I guess you could say.
I myself have dreams when something chaotic or bad is about to happen. I had an extremely bad dream one night, and it woke me up early. When I opened my eyes the first thing that I felt was death. It was like a blanket enveloping everything around me. I couldn't shake the feeling. I layed there, and somehow it was like I was being told that somebody in my family would die before the end of the week. My grandpa died that weekend. The doctors were never able to figure out what killed him. They said by all accounts he should have lived.
I can also sense where something bad has happened. In the house I used to live in I always was uncomfortable in my room. It was like I was being watched. I found out a man layed dead in that room for 7 days. In my new house I have similar feelings. I see shadows, and people all the time. Some times the energy is strong and sometimes I can't feel it.
Another thing I do is if I am with someone and they are at the time connected with some kind of magical energy I can feel it. My brain like overloads my senses. I get this extreme energy high. It is pretty cool.
I can also turn this energy into a type of strength. Last year at school this big dude wouldn't leave anyone alone. He threw this can at us. So I threw it back at him. He walked over and poured the sundrop on my head. Everyone around me including myself got pissed off. It was like my body soaked all that energy up. I remember everything went black. I grabbed the can, and jumped like 8 feet from a setting position on top of this guy. I was literaly on top of him. The energy I was outputting was keeping him from knocking me off. His body went stiff and he was not able to move. I still couldn't see anything. It felt like I was experiencing all this from miles away. I pounded and pounded and pounded him in the head with that can. It was like all this energy was keeping me glued to him. No one was approaching me because I was scareing the shit out of them. I am quiet and no one at school had ever seen me ever react like this. Finally I heared I voice yelling "Stop, Stop, Stop!" I came back to, and let go of him. I still couldn't control the energy and I threw the can and it hit some women in the leg. I later looked at the can there was a part where it had broke, and if I would have hit him with it I would have killed him. It was like all this energy was precisly hitting him in the right spots. It scared the guy nearly to death. He just looked at me and walked off. He had this look like he knew something wasn't right about the whole thing. I scared the teachers so bad I didn't get in trouble, and no one told my parents.
Out of all the ones on my mom's side of the family that have unique abilities though I seem to be the only one that can actually soak up and output energy as a force. I am the strongest.
I have studied the way I sense and use energy, and I fit the descriptions of an energy or emotion vampire. They are thought to exist. Have you heard of them?
My mom's side of the family came from german gypsies known as Black Dutch, and my great grandpa on my mom's side of the family studied magic. I don't know if this has passed through the generations or what, but people connected with my mom's side of the family have unique abilities. None of has trained with magic except my great grandpa. It is like now we are born with it.
Deepwaters
08-13-2007, 12:37 AM
Healed, yes. Communicated -- well, it doesn't quite work that way. Telepathy is very good for emotional communication, not so good for communicating factual information; it won't substitute for words.
When I first discovered her, I was an emotional wreck, due to a really bad failed romantic relationship that left me severely depressed for several years and was the reason I couldn't write (among other bad things). (Curiously, I got involved with The Monster the same month she got involved with Jérémy, March '03. Hers seems to have worked out better, though.)
I touched minds with Alizée each time I watched one of her videos, just on a shallow level (nothing unusual in that, I do it with everyone I contact or interact with in any way), and at some point she noticed I was there, figured out she could help, and did. I'm still not sure whether she was conscious of doing it, and would love to find out. Of course she didn't know who I was, but she may have been consciously aware of this interaction with someone. I gather I'm not alone in receiving this kind of treatment from her. It would be interesting to find out if, in general, she deliberately does this, or if it's some sort of reflex or unconscious habit.
An even bigger mystery than why she did this (and whether she was aware of doing it) is why I trusted her enough to drop my own screens and let her in to do it. :blink: I still don't know the answer to that one. It's not really like me. But obviously it was the right thing to do.
So I knew, from before I ever signed on here, that she was into magic and quite good at it. The interviews were just confirmation for me.
Tye, I've had other experiences not unlike yours. It's not even controversial for me any more, just part of my life.
I sent you a P.M. about my abilities so we could talk a little more one on one.
I looked up some stuff on energy vampires. They are able to dreamwalk visit people and places in dreams. I have been experiencing this frequently over the past two months. After I found this site I had a dream of dreamwalk that was very wierd. Most stuff was out of focus. From then on I have had an energy drawing me to France. Well, a couple weeks past, and I had decided maybe I should wait to move to France and get a Bachelor's degree instead of an associates. That night I had another dreamwalk. This time I was in a building then everything warped, and I was on the ground. I looked up, and a woman was standing in front of me. She was beautiful and sad. I knew her but didn't know how. Still don't. The connection I felt with her was beyond anything I can describe. It was like a type of love. Not love liek humans describe,but a love that could stand for eternity. It was a like my soul was in love. She reached down and helped me up she gave me a hug. The hug was like we were parting for ever. Then I woke up. I don't know who she was, but it was the most amazing thing I have experienced. After that I decided that Paris is where I need to be. I am having symptoms of Energy Vampires.
This is out there, but what if Lili is an energy vampire? She fits the description. What if like you said she doesn't even realize it. Maybe that is the "Lili effect". Energy Vampires attract people and use them as energy supplys. They are somewhat like the sirens from old folkstories. They charm people and attract them so that they can use them as energy supplies. Almost everyone that comes into contact with her is captivated, and wants to move to France. Maybe she doesn't realize it, but she is definitely got something going on. Let's hope she isn't doing it on purpose, because it can get out of control, and you can eally lose control of your powers. This would also explain why my abilities have been stronger since I come into contact with her. She is amplifying my abilities, because she shares the same.
fsquared
08-13-2007, 01:58 AM
Tye,
I was wondering why you were so convinced that you had to move to France. Your explanation sheds some light.
Well...I guess if she's an energy vampire, then Mylene and Laurent chose well in their initial auditions for commercial success. I suppose it would explain why the level of intensity (dare I say, obsession) on these boards is so much higher than on any other similar artists' forums.
Aside from this nebulous attempt at humor, since I have had no conscious experience of magic or of the energy transfers that you've discussed, I suppose I shall take to the sidelines on this conversation, but I do find it quite interesting.
BTW, I remember reading this interview a while back, because somewhere out there in forumland, there was a discussion of what "Barbapapa" was (some sort of alien-ish cartoon character, I think).
I was hesitant about giving my real reason for going to France. With Deepwater's hear though I know I am not the only one who has experienced similar things.
Killian
08-13-2007, 05:30 AM
I have personally never had anything "magical" happen to me. But, and I don't mind saying this, everything you guys are saying kind of creeps me out. I suppose this is because I don't understand it in the same way Deep and Tye do, but would love to attempt to. Not to actually perform magic, obviously that takes a gifted mind, but to understand how it happens, that it is not just smoke and mirrors, and fake card tricks. Is there any websites or books that explain the basics, without going into the real serious stuff too much at the beginning?
I'm starting to imaging Lili sitting at crystal ball watching over us all now, like some form of strange guardian angel. Can't say that I don't enjoy the image ;).
Deepwaters
08-13-2007, 10:08 AM
Alizée is not a psychic vampire. That much I'm certain about. She has her own sources of power, and does not need to bleed others. She has a totem spirit, the dolphin, which is a source for her just as the dragon is for me. She also believes in some kind of "higher power" and is able to connect with that. I've had encounters with psychic vampires before, and the result is always a feeling of being drained. It's not pleasant. My dealings with Alizée have resulted in mutual enhancement, not victimization, and I recognize it as the kind of sharing I've done with other mages in a circle.
I replied to your PM, Tye.
I have personally never had anything "magical" happen to me. But, and I don't mind saying this, everything you guys are saying kind of creeps me out. I suppose this is because I don't understand it in the same way Deep and Tye do, but would love to attempt to. Not to actually perform magic, obviously that takes a gifted mind, but to understand how it happens, that it is not just smoke and mirrors, and fake card tricks. Is there any websites or books that explain the basics, without going into the real serious stuff too much at the beginning?
I'm not sure it's possible to really understand magic without doing it. I can refer you to some stuff if you like, but I should warn you that as a Catholic it may cause you religious difficulties; the Church has its own magic but frowns on any but the most rudimentary practices by laypeople. Magic is possible within a Christian framework, certainly, but not within the bounds of orthodoxy. If you like, though, PM me with your email address and I'll send you some things.
Deepwaters, I am glad you don't think Lili is a psychic vampire. I didn't like the idea, and was hoping I was wrong.
Also, is magic a manifestation of the enrgy we have inside of us, or does these abilities come from a deeper part of a human?
Deepwaters
08-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Also, is magic a manifestation of the enrgy we have inside of us, or does these abilities come from a deeper part of a human?
It comes from the entire universe, from everything that is. Each of us is a reflection of the whole, like a part of a hologram, containing the entirety within each fragment. The power we can focus depends on how much of the cosmos we can connect with, pull together into a coherent system embraced by the mind, and channel. In the course of learning to do this, one's identity, one's sense of self, changes, until one realizes that one is the All wearing a mask.
On a less all-embracing level, there is some power that comes from the body, some from the deep levels of the mind. My own comes from the Goddess of my faith, from the dragon that's my totem spirit, from the network of mages that I tap into and to which I contribute, from the guardians of the four Elements, and from other sources. Are these a deeper part of my own mind, or are they realities out there in the world? I believe they are both at once.
It comes from the entire universe, from everything that is. Each of us is a reflection of the whole, like a part of a hologram, containing the entirety within each fragment. The power we can focus depends on how much of the cosmos we can connect with, pull together into a coherent system embraced by the mind, and channel. In the course of learning to do this, one's identity, one's sense of self, changes, until one realizes that one is the All wearing a mask.
Is this why people including myself can sometimes tell when something bad is about to happen, because we are all reflection of the whole?
Some people reported that a few weeks before 9/11 their husbands or wives had been having dreams of something happening to them. The people that had these dreams died on 9/11. One was a policeman's wife. She gave an interview about him, and she said he woke up the morning of 9/11 saying he felt pressure on his chest, and like he knew wasn't going to be able to go to work again, and that he needed to tell his wife he loved her. She old him it was probably just a nightmare that had caused him to feel this way and not to worry about it. He was killied in the Trade Centers. over 5000 hundred people that worked near or in the Trade Centers that day called in sick. Some of that was just coincidence, but obviously something more powerful was at work.
Killian
08-15-2007, 07:47 AM
Okay, no idea where else to post this but here... unless there is a thread for dreams, but dreams are a form of thought so...
I had a dream about Lili last night. Basically, I was in a hotel, I remember it being somewhere in America (but it had a very Irish feel). We were checking out but first we went into the hotel's pub for something to eat (thus the Irish feel). After a few minutes I looked up and saw our Grace sitting across from me (the other side of the room) with Jéremy, a pram and a woman, whose face I never saw. Jéremy looked like he did in that wedding video, but I am having trouble trying to remember Alizée. She had a hat on, and her hair kind of hung below it, I think it was straight, not like the new photo. I can't remember what she was wearing (typical the things you want to remember are what you forget). Anyway after awhile, everyone else in my family left, there was no reason for this, and I looked up and Jéremy was also gone. I walked over to Alizée and obviously asked for her autograph. Jéremy returned, and not wanting to intrude I left. I looked down at the signature and it looked nothing like Lili's. This may not seem significant, but in the dream it seemed major. I kept satring at it trying to figure it out, but not knowing what I was looking for, but I kind of thought I liked it...
I don't know what this dream meant, but I think the signature was in some form, Lili's new look. In this sense I think it was a sub-concious sign that I will enjoy her new look, and has made me more excited :) What do you guys think?
Also, AA was in the dream. I was debating with myself whether it was right or not to post the signature. I decided no, so if it hadn't been a dream, you all may never have seen it :p.
That sounds like a normal dream. What I mean by that is it had manorisms of your personality. Such as the Irish feel. Also, the fact alot of stuff happened yesterday on this site probably had you excited and you dreamed about Lili. The weird autograph does sound like it was caused by her changing her looks. It definitely could be your sub-concious preparing you for the change
Deepwaters
08-15-2007, 11:59 PM
Well, I guess I can post that I finally had another dream of Alizée besides the spider-in-the-ear one. This was just a snip, she gave me a hug and I could smell her perfume, which (in the dream) had a very fresh smell with some vanilla to it.
Normal dream I think, and short.
espire
08-16-2007, 12:04 AM
Heh, I had a weird dream with her last night!
We were shopping. And we weren't shopping for shoes... we were grocery shopping. I said to Lili "veux-tu des courgettes?" and she laughed.
Weird :p
Uméesha
08-16-2007, 12:14 AM
Heh, I had a weird dream with her last night!
We were shopping. And we weren't shopping for shoes... we were grocery shopping. I said to Lili "veux-tu des courgettes?" and she laughed.
Weird :p
nice dream espire bout alizee, so.... do u have any reason for asking "Do u want some vegetables and skinny bones of fish?"
espire
08-16-2007, 12:24 AM
nice dream espire bout alizee, so.... do u have any reason for asking "Do u want some vegetables and skinny bones of fish?"
Heheh, I think you should try a different translating tool. Courgettes are zucchinis!
(by different translating tool, I mean a paper dictionary made from real trees, as they're much higher quality and somehow smarter than computer-based ones. Probably because the human does the thinking.)
Uméesha
08-16-2007, 12:38 AM
Heheh, I think you should try a different translating tool. Courgettes are zucchinis!
(by different translating tool, I mean a paper dictionary made from real trees, as they're much higher quality and somehow smarter than computer-based ones. Probably because the human does the thinking.)
am using one of the leading dictionary in the world named "Oxford" i have translated correctley but the real meaning of courgettes is A small vegetable marrow, Marrow means a large fleshy... so you have related to high quality computer based once...
fsquared
08-16-2007, 12:58 AM
am using one of the leading dictionary in the world named "Oxford" i have translated correctley but the real meaning of courgettes is A small vegetable marrow, Marrow means a large fleshy... so you have related to high quality computer based once...
Um....I'm not sure what you mean by "a large fleshy" but "marrow" has multiple meanings, one of which is a category of elongated squashes with green skin and white flesh (I think this is more common in British English than American English). Courgettes (i.e., zucchinis) fall into this category. Dunno where the fish bones were coming from.
Uméesha
08-16-2007, 01:08 AM
sorry its not a fish its flesh
marrow means
1. 1 large fleshy usually the striped gourd eaten as a vegetable.
2 soft fatty substance in the cavities of bones.
fsquared
08-16-2007, 01:20 AM
sorry its not a fish its flesh
marrow means
1. 1 large fleshy usually the striped gourd eaten as a vegetable.
2 soft fatty substance in the cavities of bones.
Your statement 1 must be something like "a large fleshy, usually striped, gourd eaten as a vegetable". "fleshy" by itself is just an adjective.
Anyway, this is off-topic and it's a zucchini (which is a kind of marrow).
Killian
08-16-2007, 04:35 AM
Well, I guess I can post that I finally had another dream of Alizée besides the spider-in-the-ear one. This was just a snip, she gave me a hug and I could smell her perfume, which (in the dream) had a very fresh smell with some vanilla to it.
Normal dream I think, and short.
Nice dream, Deep. The kind you regret waking up after, maybe? ;)
Also, is it only my side of the Atlantic that we often call it a courgette but seldom a zucchini?
Deepwaters
08-16-2007, 09:55 AM
Nice dream, Deep. The kind you regret waking up after, maybe? ;)
Not really, it was just a hug. And I could still smell the perfume after I woke up. :)
Also, is it only my side of the Atlantic that we often call it a courgette but seldom a zucchini?
Yes. I think the reason must be that the vegetable in question was brought to America by Italian immigrants, but to Britain by way of France and to Ireland by the English. So the Brits and Irish tend to call it by its French name, while Americans name it in Italian.
Nice dream, Deep. The kind you regret waking up after, maybe? ;)
Also, is it only my side of the Atlantic that we often call it a courgette but seldom a zucchini?
As a U.S. guy, I've always heard it as zucchini. I cannot bring myself to even whisper courgette. The phonetic blasphemy is unbearable:
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Killian
08-16-2007, 12:29 PM
Damn Americans, always refusing to use the language the way it is intended. It's courgette, not zucchini. And while I'm at it, it's colour, damn it, not color ;) :p
Deepwaters
08-16-2007, 12:36 PM
Damn Americans, always refusing to use the language the way it is intended. It's courgette, not zucchini. And while I'm at it, it's colour, damn it, not color ;) :p
"The way it's intended" is also sometimes known as "the King's English," and so, all things considered, it would be unpatriotic for any American to have any great respect for it. :p
espire
08-16-2007, 12:38 PM
Right, let's compromise.
It's "Colour" and "Zucchini."
pay no attention to the fact that this is how it's done in Canada, and that I'm Canadian...
Killian
08-16-2007, 12:42 PM
"The way it's intended" is also sometimes known as "the King's English," and so, all things considered, it would be unpatriotic for any American to have any great respect for it. :p
Hey, live and let live. At least you didn't have 800 years of murder an famine. Pfff... complaining about taxes. Throw a famine, depression, and a good few wars on top of that, and I'll try seeing it from your point of view :p
Of course the Irish are too drunk to complain about language and too stupid to learn a new one, soIi guess I can't argue :rolleyes: ;)
Deepwaters
08-16-2007, 01:17 PM
Hey, live and let live. At least you didn't have 800 years of murder an famine. Pfff... complaining about taxes.
Very true.
So, um . . . explain to me exactly why an Irishman is defending standard English as it is spoken and written by the English, would you? ;)
Aww....you guys are all having dreams, while come I'm not having one. :( I think I might have had one last year but forgot all about it.:(
Killian
08-16-2007, 01:29 PM
Very true.
So, um . . . explain to me exactly why an Irishman is defending standard English as it is spoken and written by the English, would you? ;)
I just don't see the need to adapt a language so as to separate yourself from past conflicts. I mean look at Ireland and Britain's relationship now. We are allies, and we have worked our differences out, no grudges held. Until we play eachother in sport, in which case all Irishmen become patriotic and love to beat the English (which happens more often than not ;)).
Of course, you could look at it this way, they killed my native language, and now I have no choice to speak English, we have been separated from England for a mere 100 odd years, while you have been separated for near 240 years. Plenty of time to adapt a language, also you had little contact with them for a few years due to the length of time it took for letters to travel in those days (pre-Industrial Revolution), so in reality I am defending a language I am forced to speak, rather than a language I actually care about or feel anything for, making my point more out of principal than out of any actual true feelings, meaning I have little reason to argue for it, and don't really know why I am continuing :)
Aww....you guys are all having dreams, while come I'm not having one. :( I think I might have had one last year but forgot all about it.:(
Ahh, don't worry about it. I'm sure you are having plenty of dreams about Alizée but just don't remeber them in the morning.
Ahh, don't worry about it. I'm sure you are having plenty of dreams about Alizée but just don't remeber them in the morning.
Thanks Killian. I do daydream about her quite often!;)
Deepwaters
08-16-2007, 04:09 PM
I very seldom dream of Alizée that I remember. Only those two, the spider and the hug. On AF there's a thread about dreams, and RMJ has some great ones!
Killian, actually all that was kidding. The reason for the divergence of American from British English was that standard spelling had not been established in either country by 1783. It became established afterward and was established differently. So although the divergence resulted from the rebellion, it wasn't deliberate on our part.
I just don't see the need to adapt a language so as to separate yourself from past conflicts. I mean look at Ireland and Britain's relationship now. We are allies, and we have worked our differences out, no grudges held. Until we play eachother in sport, in which case all Irishmen become patriotic and love to beat the English (which happens more often than not ;)).
Of course, you could look at it this way, they killed my native language, and now I have no choice to speak English, we have been separated from England for a mere 100 odd years, while you have been separated for near 240 years. Plenty of time to adapt a language, also you had
ittle contact with them for a few years due to the length of time it took for letters to travel in those days (pre-Industrial Revolution), so in reality I am defending a language I am forced to speak, rather than a language I actually care about or feel anything for, making my point more out of principal than out of any actual true feelings, meaning I have little reason to argue for it, and don't really know why I am continuing :)
I am an American, but can not stand American english. It is so far gone from what British English is. I don't want to insult anyone, but it sounds like a dumbed down version compared to British English. I am from the south so it really sounds "dumbed down". At least this is the way I feel about it. This is one reason why I am attempting to lose my southern accent. I can't stand it. Once again don't want to insult anyone from the south or anywhere else in America, but I just don't like American English. Of course this is coming from someone who doesn't agree with what our founding fathers did. I am telling you all I was born in the wrong place. :)
Edcognito
10-01-2007, 03:42 PM
I think Alizée rocks.... why the hell you guys write this long answers... i think it would be easier to read the bible than ur post.
Well - some of us prefere quality over quantity! So we think a bit about what we write.....(sometimes).... Instead of just going for the post count! :eek:
JK man :)
Sometimes you just feel you have to write. Sometimes, to describe what you feel, its so complex and interwoven, that an accurate description (oxymoron i know - "description" of "feelings"...) takes many paragraphs or pages.....
Poguezilla
10-02-2007, 12:15 PM
I first saw her around Oct of last year and at first I stunned by her beauty, sexiness, extreme cuteness and her magnificent voice. :) I also had a feeling of Deja vu when I listened to her songs as if I had heard and saw them before. :confused:
I purchased her first CD from Amazon and listened to it over and over. I listened to every song on the album. :)
I have written several songs about her and her effect on me which helps me alleviate the addiction to her somewhat. At the moment I am not watching or listening to anything of hers because it is like an alcoholic that tries to take one drink.
atra201
10-02-2007, 03:19 PM
I think Alizée (http://moi-alizee.us/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3) is so Amazing http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o305/atra201/a1933e4f.gif
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Simon A
10-02-2007, 06:58 PM
I very much agree with your description, i can really say samething is going on with me :P
i even learned french and became a frenchophile :P
Calisto
10-02-2007, 07:05 PM
i even learned french and became a frenchophile :P
Ha! I like the term frenchophile. I suppose I've kind of gained that title also.
There was a customer in my store the other day reading through an instruction booklet of a game, and for some reason the French version was before the English version....he said fairly loud.."What the hell is this stupid French crap?"
All 3 people I was working with immediately darted their eyes over to me to see If I would be offended or was going say anything..almost as if I AM French now or something. :p
fsquared
10-02-2007, 07:25 PM
I very much agree with your description, i can really say samething is going on with me :P
i even learned french and became a frenchophile :P
I presume that's a joke rendition of "francophile", in which case it's very funny.
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