The Offical Rugby World Cup Thread

[Killian]

Yes, I made one on an American site. But show some patriotism, The USA is in it (although, you are in the Springboks group, along with England, so good luck with that :p). It begins on the 7th of September, with France taking on Argentina. It is being held predominantly in France, with a few matches in Cardiff and a couple in Edinburgh. I'll post the groups here.

Group A
England
South Africa
Samoa
USA
Tonga


Group B
Australia
Wales
Fiji
Japan
Canada


Group C
New Zealand
Scotland
Italy
Romania
Portugal


Group D
France
Ireland
Argentina
Georgia
Nambia




So, anyway that's how the first round looks. In each groups each team plays eachother twice, with the top two teams from each group advancing. The points are divided as follows:
4 points for a win
2 points for a tie
1 point for scoring two or more points
1 point for losing by less than 7 points.


Teams than advance onto the quarter finals, than onto the semis, with the grande finale taking place on the 20th of October, in Saint Denis, with the winner lifting the highly coveted Webb Ellis trophy!


The hot favourites are obviously New Zealand( or the All Blacks).


Anyway, we can use this thread to discuss the sport I love and the next major world sporting event. If this thread dies, which it will ;), I'll bump it up in September.

Oh and here's some helpful links:
Rugby at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union)
The International Rugby Board's Official site (http://www.irb.com/EN/Home/)
The Official Rugby World Cup Website (http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/)
Irish Rugby ;) (www.irishrugby.com)
USA Rugby (http://www.usarugby.org/)

[SupaKrupa]

Hey I didn't know USA played! LOL

And we've got the easiest group... Good Luck to all teams participating.

[lamedog]

Yeah go NZ (New Zealand).

Yes I'm from New Zealand and the countries gearing up for it but sadly although we're favourites most of the time when world cup comes around we have only won it once :(

Anyway - GO NZ.

For those who don't know too much about Rugby here's a video of "big hits" mainly of Australia and New Zealand teams in either Rugby union or Rugby league. Enjoy....

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GO NZ :D

[Killian]

Hey, lamedog, what do you call 15 men sitting around a tv watching the world cup final?........








The All Blacks!!!!! :D

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

I only support two teams, Scotland and anyone who plays against England:p

Good luck to the 19 teams I'm rooting for.

[Piblokto]

The All Blacks are obviously everybody's favorites, but who knows, the French have been able to beat them three times, so why not a fourth one ?...
And as Rugby is a lot about traditions (and supporting any team who plays against England is one of them -when you're not English, of course-), and for our NZ friends : the Haka (the old one, the new one isn't as good)

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[Piblokto]

Hey I didn't know USA played! LOL

And we've got the easiest group... Good Luck to all teams participating.

I would'nt say England and South Africa are the easiest teams to play. And don't underestimate the samoans, most of them play in NZ teams...

[AniL_FaNTR]

Every country plays it without Turkéy:D

We're just able to play football :D:D

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

It's getting serious.

That's a Scotland rugby top, and it's an England flag stuck up his arse.

Wars have been started for less!:D

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[Ricardo]

Heh, Portugal is the first amateur team participating in the rugby world cup and we're playing against NZ and Scotland :o Massacre!:p

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

Heh, Portugal is the first amateur team participating in the rugby world cup and we're playing against NZ and Scotland :o Massacre!:p

Massacre? - Nah, you won't beat us by that much.:)

[Killian]

That what you thought about Italy this year! :p


Oh and Piblokto, the only place I see you realistically playing France is the final (which would be an achievement in itself). In the quarters you play the runner up in group D, which will presumably be Ireland, as France are very hard to beat at home, but Argentina are certainly a time to watch, particularly with Contepomi playing all his rugby in Ireland. And being an Irishman, those second round prospects scare me ! :p


Also, did you hear that Hernández (Argentina's full back) has said he guarantees his team reaching the final 4, which would involve all the challenges I stated above. I wonder had he looked at the draw yet?

[Tye]

I have never watched a rugby game. I would like to, but it is not being aired on any of my channels as far as I know. I will have to check.

[Killian]

http://na.setanta.tv/navenuefinder.htm

Here Tye, assuming you are American (sorry, can't remember :blink:), go here and follow the instructions.

It will teel you where you can watch it.
http://na.setanta.tv/navenuefinder.htm

[Piblokto]

Oh and Piblokto, the only place I see you realistically playing France is the final

France-All Black in final, that's what I'd like to see. I even hope to see things like this :

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Oh, and I'm a Parisian...

[Tye]

http://na.setanta.tv/navenuefinder.htm

Here Tye, assuming you are American (sorry, can't remember :blink:), go here and follow the instructions.

It will teel you where you can watch it.
http://na.setanta.tv/navenuefinder.htm

Thanks for the links, but sadly my cable providor doesn't offer Setanta Sports, and the closest bar or club with Sentanta Sports is an hour away from my house. I am going to contact my cable provider, and request they pick Sentanta Sports up.

[Tye]

France-All Black in final, that's what I'd like to see. I even hope to see things like this :

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Oh, and I'm a Parisian...

That video was awsome. That is an amazing display of how a team should function.

Could someone explain the differecnce between the Rugby Union and the Rugby League?

[Piblokto]

That video was awsome. That is an amazing display of how a team should function.

Could someone explain the differecnce between the Rugby Union and the Rugby League?

It's true that when it's played like that, rugby is more an art than a ordinary sport. It's like each player is at the right place at the right moment, and at the same time it looks like a total improvisation.
But I'm afraid the All Blacks won't allow anybody to improvise anymore...

You'll find the answer to your question here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_football

And if you like some more :


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[Tye]

Piblokto, thanks for posting those videos. They were awsome!:)

[aditya8617]

Allez France & Argentina. I would be happy as long as England and Aussies don't win the cup.

[Killian]

Allez France & Argentina. I would be happy as long as England and Aussies don't win the cup.

I don't like you very much.... :(

[aditya8617]

AH! I see. France & Argentina are in same group as Ireland. Your lack of confidence in Ireland gives me the idea that they don't have a good team!

[Killian]

Actually they have the best team in the Northern Hemisphere (skill wise) and on their day would beat anyone. But playing France in France is never a good day out for any team. As for Argentina, I wasn't worried but didn't want to appear cocky. It's inly New Zealand who I know will beat us. But that will be either the last eight or the final, so I'm not worried per se...

[Killian]

Alright just thought I'd point out there are a few warm up matches if anyone wants to try to watch them. I doubt the teams will play their first 15, but they still should be intriguing, and of course exciting.

Sat 11th Aug Ireland v. Scotland
Sat 11th Aug France v. England
Sat 15th Aug South Africa v. Namibia
Sat 18th Aug France v. England
Sat 18th Aug Canada v. Portugal
Sat 18th Aug Wales v. Argentina
Fri 24th Aug Ireland v. Italy
Sat 25th Aug Scotland v. South Africa
Sat 26th Aug Wales v. France

I left thes eone separate because the teams are not taking on an International side, they are taking on a clubs and/or provincial sides
Tues Aug 21st Connacht (Ire.) v. South Africa
Sun Aug 26th Munster (Ire.) v. USA


I don't know how they will be televised in America, but thought I'd inform you all nevertheless.
I didn't post all the upcoming ones, just a few that would be good.

[rcs]

For USA, what are our chances?:confused:

[Killian]

Against Munster? Very high, their tem is comprised of a lot of the Irish Internationals, who won't be playing, so you should win, if you play your full team.

In the World Cup?
Don't get your hopes up about getting past the first round.

[Tye]

I can't watch these on t.v., but I will find another way. I wish America would get a little bit more proactive in International sports. America is too caught up in it's self it needs to branch out a little bit, and experience some new things. Too many Americans think if it isn't American it isn't as good. This needs to change. My history teacher thinks America would be supporting globalism if we adopt foriegn sports. I am not kidding. He was fussing, because American football was popular to some people who don't live in America. He also said that it is globalistic for American Football to be played outside of Amrerica. I am glad there are less people with his viewpoints or we wouldn't have anything that was International.

[Killian]

Spoiler ahead (today's scores, highlight to read)

Here are the scores of today's games for anyone who missed them. Both were very boring so don't worry.

Ireland's reserve team lost to a strong Scottish side after coming back from 19-3 down. Ireland performed very badly and Scotland were always in control.

France prevailed against England in another boring game, final score 21-15. France were losing until a monstrous break by Chabal broke the English defence apart to touch it down over the line.

There was nothing from today's games to cause any team much worry, apart from a few moments of brilliance from individual from players, namely Murphy of Ireland in defence and Chabal of France.

[Tye]

Thanks for posting the scores, Killian. Too bad Ireland lost. I am glad that France won.:)

[Killian]

Yes, well Ireland were playing a reserve team, who didn't play very well, whereas Scotland were playing a near full strength, so Ireland were always going to lose.

However, an old Irish player who has been out of favour and not been playing well international for a few years played very well,Geordan Murphy, and booked his ticket to the World Cup, so I was pretty happy.

[Tye]

Why was Ireland playing the reserve against Scotland's near full strength team? Was it to give the reserve some play time?

[aditya8617]

French ligue 1 action is going to be messed up. League matches, rugby matches and Champions League matches. Playing surfaces will get messed up right at the start of the season.

Hey! what are the odds of seeing a headbutt in Rugby WC?

[Killian]

Tye: Ireland were playing a reserve team because our full squad isn't picked for the WC and Eddie O'Sullivan (manager) wanted to give player's on the fringes of the main team, one last chance of selection. Scotland don't have the same depth as Ireland in their squad and didn't need to do this.

aditya: Don't count on seeing a headbutt, but maybe a few punchups, when the going gets tough.

[Piblokto]

aditya: Don't count on seeing a headbutt, but maybe a few punchups, when the going gets tough.

You're right, professional Rugby players are civilized people. And so are their supporters, I've never seen a fight between supporters in a rugby stadium - or in a pub during the 3rd halftime. No hooligans in rugby.
But anyway big hits are part of the game...here's one :

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And for the lucky ones who will come to our city during the world cup, here are a few good places to go after the matches : http://www2.rugbynetwork.net/main/s586/st118427.htm
I've already tested most of them, they're good. And there are also a lot of Irish pubs with very friendly atmosphere and good beer as well.

[mibir]

I would'nt say England and South Africa are the easiest teams to play. And don't underestimate the samoans, most of them play in NZ teams...

Supa is from Australia, not the USA. His group consists of Australia, Wales, Fiji, Japan, and Canada.

[Killian]

You're right, professional Rugby players are civilized people. And so are their supporters, I've never seen a fight between supporters in a rugby stadium - or in a pub during the 3rd halftime. No hooligans in rugby.
But anyway big hits are part of the game...here's one :

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And for the lucky ones who will come to our city during the world cup, here are a few good places to go after the matches : http://www2.rugbynetwork.net/main/s586/st118427.htm
I've already tested most of them, they're good. And there are also a lot of Irish pubs with very friendly atmosphere and good beer as well.

3rd halftime? :blink:

Unfortunately, I am not one of the lucky ones, but, television shall be my saviour.

[Tye]

Tye: Ireland were playing a reserve team because our full squad isn't picked for the WC and Eddie O'Sullivan (manager) wanted to give player's on the fringes of the main team, one last chance of selection. Scotland don't have the same depth as Ireland in their squad and didn't need to do this.

aditya: Don't count on seeing a headbutt, but maybe a few punchups, when the going gets tough.

Thanks for clearing that up, Killian.:)

[Piblokto]

3rd halftime? :blink:

Here in France, this -very important- tradition of going in a pub, or café, or any place suitable for drinking good beer and meeting rugby loving friendly people after the match is called 3rd halftime (la troisième mi-temps).
And after many visits to Paris' pubs and cafés during and after the 6 Nations matches, my opinion is that the Irish are the 3rd halftime world champions...:)

[Killian]

Here in France, this -very important- tradition of going in a pub, or café, or any place suitable for drinking good beer and meeting rugby loving friendly people after the match is called 3rd halftime (la troisième mi-temps).
And after many visits to Paris' pubs and cafés during and after the 6 Nations matches, my opinion is that the Irish are the 3rd halftime world champions...:)

Oh the men of Munster can hold there own anywhere in the world ;)

I think, supporter wise, Munster are the most blessed in team in Europe anyway. What other team's supporters stick by their team in the same way? In the Heineken Cup final, the 50,000 + Munster fans present all went completely silent for Biarritz, whenever a penalty is taking place.

Pity the Ulster supporters ruin it for us, as I am sure you saw with the Trevor Brennan incident when Ulster were playing Toulouse.

[Piblokto]

Pity the Ulster supporters ruin it for us, as I am sure you saw with the Trevor Brennan incident when Ulster were playing Toulouse.

Fortunately, this kind of incident is extremely rare, but in a crowd of thousands, there might be a few who don't understand what rugby spirit is about, you don't have to feel responsible for that and it won't ruin anything.
I found that on a Toulouse rugby site :
"Trevor,
Thank you very much for taking care of rugby values and for those great times we had watching you playing for Toulouse (and for Ireland against England :-)).
I wish all the best for your next life !"

[Killian]

I found that on a Toulouse rugby site :
"Trevor,
Thank you very much for taking care of rugby values and for those great times we had watching you playing for Toulouse (and for Ireland against England :-)).
I wish all the best for your next life !"

Yes, Trevor was loved in Ireland. He actually played for my own club, and we have a framed thank you letter from him for our support doing the time.

Although, I don't support what he did in the slightest, he himself condemned it, I feel the punishment initially dealt ( a lifetime ban, from playing and coaching) was very harsh.

[Tye]

What happened? A lifetime ban is very very harsh.

[Killian]

An Ulster fan had been shouting racial slurs and the likes at many Toulouse players the whole match. When Brennan, who is enormous, was warming up beside him, he started shouting at him. Eventually, he allegedly brought Brennan's family into the shouting and Brennan lost his temper, and well...


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42477000/jpg/_42477893_brennan_punch.jpg

[Tye]

The fan should have kept his mouth shut. He didn't so Brennan shut it for him. That wasn't worth a lifetime ban, especially considering what the fan was saying. Is this on video?

[Killian]

I don't think it is on video. But, Brennan is a professional athlete, and should not have reacted so viciously. He jumped a barrier and physically assaulted someone. Although a lifetime ban was harsh, his actions had to be punished.

[Tye]

I don't think it is on video. But, Brennan is a professional athlete, and should not have reacted so viciously. He jumped a barrier and physically assaulted someone. Although a lifetime ban was harsh, his actions had to be punished.

I agree he needed to be punished some way, but a lifetime ban was bit much.

Here is how American Professional Athletes act in the NBA:
Pistons vs. Pacers Brawl Uncut
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Her is the brawl being anilyzed. You get to see the action a little clearer.

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The fight could have been contained a lot quicker. When the players finally stopped fighting each other some fan threw a beer bottle and hit one of the player's in the head and he jumped into the stands and hit the fan. Then the entire team jumped after him, and the fan's joined forces against the players and it became an all out fight for survival.

[Killian]

That fight was unreal, how did the officials allow something like that to occur? I suppose after it exploded there was little they could do, but still...

Actually that video reminded me of a cool website
http://www.rugbydump.com/

If you scroll down along the right side, there is a section called Big Hits & Dirty Play. Some wild things in there ;)

[Tye]

You would not believe the fights that happen in the NBA. It is mainly because the players are a bunch of brats and they get pissed when they don't get their way.

Here is a fight between Kobe Bryant and Reggie Miller.

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Here are some videos of different NBA fights.

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Some Baseball fights:

The fun ones are when all the players from both teams flood onto the field and get into a pile and start knocking the crapt out of each other trying too to get their team members at the bottom of the pile.

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Then you have what we call hissy fits:

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[SupaKrupa]

Not to go off topic in anyways... :p

But has anyone seen that video of the basketball player who knocked out a referee for handing him his fouled-out foul? Deadset punched the bloke out, broke his jaw and got himself banned from professional basketball for the rest of his life.

[Tye]

Not to go off topic in anyways... :p

But has anyone seen that video of the basketball player who knocked out a referee for handing him his fouled-out foul? Deadset punched the bloke out, broke his jaw and got himself banned from professional basketball for the rest of his life.

I have never seen that fight. Maybe someone should start a thread about good sports fights so that this one will stay on topic.

Back on topic, Killian, How do they pick where the World Cup is hosted?

[Killian]

Same as the Olympics, you apply, giving reasons why you should be picked, such as stadiums, tourist attractions etc.

[Piblokto]

Same as the Olympics, you apply, giving reasons why you should be picked, such as stadiums, tourist attractions etc.

And every 4 years it's in a different hemisphere, as this time it's in the north, next WC has to be in Australia, New Zealand or South Africa (or maybe Argentine, who knows)

[Killian]

It will be in New Zealand. They were chosen over South Africa and Japan. Australia weren't allowed (I think) and Argentina didn't apply.

[Tye]

Thanks for clearing the selection process up, Killian and Piblokto.:)

[Alizee_is_Scottish!]

Killian, remind me what you're supposed to do when you win a match:confused: I've forgotten.:(

[Killian]

You rub into people if they're English, sympathize with the losers if they're from anywhere else ;)

(It wasn't a win per se, did you not see the team we played?)

Also Patterson ahead of Parks, tough call, but I'd say it could prove clever.

[Killian]

I want to pose a question to the French members.

Are Bayonne known as a dirty side in France?
Taking out the Irish captain, by attempting to fracture his jaw would seem like a fairly tactic. Luckily, he only recieved a light fracture to his cheekbone, and is only out for 4 weeks, and the FFR are promising a full investigation into want they called a disgraceful incident.

Now Ireland are missing two key players for their opening match in the World Cup :(

[Piblokto]

I want to pose a question to the French members.

Are Bayonne known as a dirty side in France?


Normally it's not. L'Aviron Bayonnais is one of the oldest Rugby clubs in France and they're not known for practicing dirty game. It's more the kind of incident that can be seen in small villages' clubs, not professionals.
I just know that Mikaera Tewhata, the man who punched O'Driscoll in the face is from New Zealand but is not an an excuse and it's not good at all for his club's reputation...
Or is it an All Black conspiracy to weaken the Irish team ?

[Killian]

The French and the All Blacks are joining forces so they don't meet in the second round. It's a god damn conspiracy, I tell ya!
*puts on tinfoil hat.

You didn't happen to watch the game, did you? I heard Hickie had a stormer.

[Piblokto]

No, the match was not on french TV, but I've heard that it was a tough one, which is very strange cause it was supposed to be a "friendly" match...

[Killian]

Well, I suppose how friendly can you expect a match to be against a French side when France are in Ireland's group.

Both sides had something to prove, so both sides went out with all guns blazing.

[Piblokto]

Seriously I don't know what this Tewhata had on his mind, but I'm sure that there was no "machiavelic" intention in what he did. Only a bit of overheating I guess.
I hope so...

[Killian]

This is a little bit of blind hope on my part, but I was thinking that the dates were fitting, and the event would be perfect if Alizée was to debut/perform her new single at the RWC Opening Ceremony. I know it's seems far-fetched but think about it. Many people from all around the world would be watching, what better way to spread the fan base to new international levels. I mean Shakira performed her single at the Soccer World Cup, so it wouldn't be too unimaginable, plus it's in France.

Or maybe the closing ceremony after the cup presentation, which will have even more viewers, and which (according to some random holiday site) will have "colourful music presentations".

Could this be the reason we are waiting for a September release, i hope so :D (But I am pretty cetain it's not :()

[Tye]

It would be awsome. If it does happen I hope someone records it so I and others that have cable providers not offering the RWC get to see it.

[Piblokto]

The WC is a bit too soon but I'm certain that we'll see Alizée in a stadium someday : we just have to wait for her next tour...

[Tye]

Killian, what do you think about Sylvain Marconnet not being able to play for France? Do you think it will hurt them? Also, how do you think his replacement Nicolas Mas will do?

[Killian]

It will definitely affect them. Maconnet is a highly experienced player, who has 71 caps for his country. This experience is what you need at the World Cup, someone who knows the ins and outs of international rugby and knows what to expect from a World Cup.

His replacement ,Mas, has only seven caps at International level, and in my opinion, doesn't have the experience to hold a scrum against the world's best props. There is also the problem of having to bring in a player who wasn't selected in the original squad as a substitution and this will also hurt France.

A major effect this will all have is a loss of confidence, which is the last thing that France want.

[Tye]

It will definitely affect them. Maconnet is a highly experienced player, who has 71 caps for his country. This experience is what you need at the World Cup, someone who knows the ins and outs of international rugby and knows what to expect from a World Cup.

His replacement ,Mas, has only seven caps at International level, and in my opinion, doesn't have the experience to hold a scrum against the world's best props. There is also the problem of having to bring in a player who wasn't selected in the original squad as a substitution and this will also hurt France.

A major effect this will all have is a loss of confidence, which is the last thing that France want.

I figured it wasn't a good thing. I am hoping that they can still do good, and prove me and you wrong. Why would they pick Mas who only has 7 caps compared to to Marconnet's 71? That is a big difference.

[Killian]

I figured it wasn't a good thing. I am hoping that they can still do good, and prove me and you wrong. Why would they pick Mas who only has 7 caps compared to to Marconnet's 71? That is a big difference.

Marconnet is injured, so Mas wasn't chosen over him, he replaced him.

An Argentinian player, Martin Gaitan, is even worse off. He had a heart attack after the Welsh game, and is not only out of the World Cup, but may never play again. It's sad to see things like that happen. Rugby is his livelihood.

[Tye]

I heard about Marconnet's injury. I was just wondering why they didn't replace him with someone a little closer to Marconnet's stats.

That is bad about Gaitan. It is sad when an athlete's career comes to an unexpected and early end. Athletes love what they do, and for some if not all when they are unable to continue to enjoy their passion it is like telling someone they can't breathe. I hate when stuff like this happen's to people. I hope he recovers and is able to play again.

[Killian]

Alright, with only three days left until the World Cup, a little bit of shameless plugging is needed.
For anyone, particularly the ladies, who needed an excuse to watch a few matches (Irish matches, to be precise), I felt this video would epitomise the commitment of the Irish players, especially one Donncha O'Callaghan. When playing for Munster (recently beat the USA Eagles ;)), on a very cold winter's day, his pants were damaged and well....

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[AlphaDevil2]

Well time to become patriotic again. As WORLD CHAMPIONS you would expect us to be under intense pressure to retain the trophy. However with our bad form at the minute no one expects anything from us. So we will be going in with no expectations, nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Watch us gain a little momentum as we beat the US and then watch that momentum build up as we retain the trophy :p

[aditya8617]

I saw a couple of matches where France beat England a few days back. Are the French any good? Also, do you think Alizee is going to take any sort of interest in the World Cup since it is also in France?

[Killian]

Well time to become patriotic again. As WORLD CHAMPIONS you would expect us to be under intense pressure to retain the trophy. However with our bad form at the minute no one expects anything from us. So we will be going in with no expectations, nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Watch us gain a little momentum as we beat the US and then watch that momentum build up as we retain the trophy :p

http://www.irishrugby.ie/images/news/scoreboard.jpg

'Twas a fun day :p



I saw a couple of matches where France beat England a few days back. Are the French any good? Also, do you think Alizee is going to take any sort of interest in the World Cup since it is also in France?

If you were to rank teams by likelihood to win France would be in the top three. They are a very passionate side, with a lot of flair, someone to watch.

I hope Alizée watches a few French games, that way when I'm watching them, i'll know we are doing the same thing ;)

[Tye]

I think I may have found a way to watch the games. Even if I still am not be able to watch it, though, I am going to keep up with it.

[Killian]

*SPOILER*

Alright, so France had a nightmare of a start, I'm a little shocked to be honest, so I'll just quote the RWC website.

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/fixtures/round=100/match=10073/report.html#argentina+stun+france+opening+match

Argentina stun France in opening match

PARIS, 7 September - Argentina caused a huge upset in the opening match of the IRB Rugby World Cup by beating France 17-12 at the Stade de France on Friday, handing the host nation their first ever defeat in the pool stages.

Felipe Contepomi missed a penalty at the death, giving France an opportunity to launch one last attack, but it came to nothing and referee Tony Spreadbury blew for fulltime, sparking wild celebrations among the Argentine players.

Argentina had lost in their two previous appearances in the world cup opening match, but their resolute defence early in the second half against an improved French outfit proved decisive as they repelled drive after drive before Christophe Dominici was penalised for holding on and the Pumas were able to clear their lines.

Skrela missed a straightforward penalty for France, but made amends just before the hour mark with another to reduce the deficit to 17-12 before limping off to be replaced by Frederic Michalak.

France continued to look threatening in attack, but the ball went loose and the Pumas hacked it up field, full back Ignacio Corleto chasing and recovering the ball, but Felipe Contepomi couldn't take his low pass for what would have been a potentially match-winning try.

The Pumas defence continued to hold firm, but it could have been a different story had Michalak not skewed his first penalty attempt with nine minutes to go, a miss that, together with Skrela's, ultimately proved costly for Les Bleus.

Corleto had earlier scored the only try of the Pool D opener to give the Pumas a 17-9 half-time lead. A try for France had seemed on the cards when Damien Traille broke through the Pumas defence and fed Remy Martin, but the flanker's pass found Argentine wing Horacio Agulla. He found Manuel Contepomi, who released Corleto to run to the corner.

Felipe Contepomi's conversion hit the post, but Argentina led 14-3 after 27 minutes with the fly half having also kicked three penalties. It could have been worse for France with the Pumas missing three drop goal attempts, two by Juan Martin Hernandez and one by Felipe Contepomi.

France fly half David Skrela kicked three penalties for France, his third being the final act of the first 40 minutes and cutting the deficit to eight points after a fourth penalty by Felipe Contepomi had given Argentina a lead their performance

[jeroh]

argentina > france :D

[Tye]

*SPOILER*

Alright, so France had a nightmare of a start, I'm a little shocked to be honest, so I'll just quote the RWC website.

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/fixtures/round=100/match=10073/report.html#argentina+stun+france+opening+match

I read this earlier today. I wasn't expecting this, and I am disappointed. How much will this effect France?

[jesuisRusse]

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What year is this?

[SupaKrupa]

Lol talk about off topic.

Yeh I stayed up to watch this. France's display was quite embarrassing by their standards (2nd ranked in the world). Argentina are a good side but no one (but Jeroh maybe :p) would have chosen the argentines over the french, especially under these circumstances - Host nation, opening game.

And Tye, I'm sure they'll bounce back :p - They've got themselves there a pretty easy pool.

[Tye]

And Tye, I'm sure they'll bounce back :p - They've got themselves there a pretty easy pool.

That makes me feel better.:)

[Killian]

Lol talk about off topic.

Yeh I stayed up to watch this. France's display was quite embarrassing by their standards (2nd ranked in the world). Argentina are a good side but no one (but Jeroh maybe :p) would have chosen the argentines over the french, especially under these circumstances - Host nation, opening game.

And Tye, I'm sure they'll bounce back :p - They've got themselves there a pretty easy pool.


I don't mean to be picky, but there are a few things wrong with that post. Firstly, the second I saw the French starting line up and the Argentine, I would have bet Alizée on an Argentine victory. What was Laporte thinking. Skrela in out half? Chabal on the bench? These decisions were ridiculous. Look at Argentina's starting line up. The centre pairing of the Contepomi twins meant that the defence in the middle would be world class. Hernandez at 10 meant Argentina had someone at 10 who could control the game, which France lacked. Corleto at full back, meant someone who could control the game from the back all night. the packs were always going to be fairly matched as most of the Argentine pack play their club rugby in France against/with the French Internationals.
Argetina had a game plan which would work against France. The constant use of up and under/ garryowns put a lacking French defence under pressure all night. The French lacked a decent kicker out of hand, which meant any kicks down the field to the French, were always going to give Argentina a advantage.
The Argentine defence never allowed France to get out of the starting blocks. France have a team who like to run, and need space to do it. Argentina have a team who have an excellent rush defence, meaning a running game is the wrong strategy. You would have to just stuff it up your jumper and charge at them up the pitch. Again, France seemed to lack the leadership both on and off the pitch to do this. Argentina's scramble defence was anything short of perfect, France's turnover ball, never amounted to anything because of it, at one stage resulting in a try.
The French warm up to the game was all wrong as well, they tried to focus on the public and getting them involved rather than the game itself. They hd to have a great start to stand a chance, and when they didn't it was all over....

An example of the French lack of judgement, and the Argentine's great positioning.
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As for France having an easy group. I would hardely call playing Ireland easy. Prior to the match Argetina were 6th in the world, Ireland were 5th. France beat Ireland only on points difference in the six nations. Ireland have the best centre partnership in the world, meaning this channel is blocked to the French as a route of attack. They have outstanding wingers whose defence and attack is great making it diffucult for the French to attack the wings. Ireland have playmakers 10-15, which even Argentina lack, meaning they can make something out of nothing very quickly. All of Ireland's backs, bar maybe one, can kick from hand, and O'Gara is the best touch finder in the world. They have the best 7 in the world, with a brilliant back row, meaning that attacks from the scrums will be diffucult to create for the French. When France beat Ireland in the Six Nations, we were missing both O'Driscoll and Stringer. When those two are on the field Ireland are a different team. We lost by three points to France that day. The next week they returned and we beat England by thirty. The odds are that the group will come down to points difference, with each team winning three games and losing one, but getting a bonus point in their loss.

So don't say France have an easy group, because at the moment there is a strong possibility they could be gone in the first round ;)

That makes me feel better.:)

Sorry, for disappointing you with reality :p


Edit: I just realised most people here aren't rugby fans, and won't want to read that, so I'll summarise. France chose the wrong team, and always set themselves up for disappointment with their gameplan.

[Piblokto]

Killian, I don't even need to quote your last post, youre 200% right !

[lamedog]

If you don't already know, NZ just beat Italy 76-14.

GO the ALL-Blacks :D

[Killian]

If you don't already know, NZ just beat Italy 76-14.

GO the ALL-Blacks :D

While that is true, and the they scored alot of points, it must be said it was a rather lacklustre display against a Italian team, that on any other day New Zealand would have scored over a century against. When Italy defended with any conviction they put you down quite a bit and you had to dig deep and work hard for the yards. Unfortunately Italy didn't defend for the whole game, just five minute patches. When Carter went off, the team fell apart. McAllister had a terrible game at 10, and you had better pray Carter isn't injured for later rounds.
I am not saying New Zealand played bad by any stretch of the imagination, just that they didn't play up to their own level, considering all the talking they do.



Austrailia, it must be said had a very comprehensive display against Japn, whom they destroyed 91-3. Not really much to talk about, as they were never challanged in reality, and just racked up the points.

England played horrifically against USA, beating them by 28-10. It must be remembered that a Munster (club side) second string team beat them, and England full strength International side couldn't score the hard points. This should be very worrying for any England fans out there, Hopefully Wilko will be back for the 'Boks, otherwise a bit of a landslide may be on the table.

[Tye]

I don't mean to be picky, but there are a few things wrong with that post. Firstly, the second I saw the French starting line up and the Argentine, I would have bet Alizée on an Argentine victory. What was Laporte thinking. Skrela in out half? Chabal on the bench? These decisions were ridiculous. Look at Argentina's starting line up. The centre pairing of the Contepomi twins meant that the defence in the middle would be world class. Hernandez at 10 meant Argentina had someone at 10 who could control the game, which France lacked. Corleto at full back, meant someone who could control the game from the back all night. the packs were always going to be fairly matched as most of the Argentine pack play their club rugby in France against/with the French Internationals.
Argetina had a game plan which would work against France. The constant use of up and under/ garryowns put a lacking French defence under pressure all night. The French lacked a decent kicker out of hand, which meant any kicks down the field to the French, were always going to give Argentina a advantage.
The Argentine defence never allowed France to get out of the starting blocks. France have a team who like to run, and need space to do it. Argentina have a team who have an excellent rush defence, meaning a running game is the wrong strategy. You would have to just stuff it up your jumper and charge at them up the pitch. Again, France seemed to lack the leadership both on and off the pitch to do this. Argentina's scramble defence was anything short of perfect, France's turnover ball, never amounted to anything because of it, at one stage resulting in a try.
The French warm up to the game was all wrong as well, they tried to focus on the public and getting them involved rather than the game itself. They hd to have a great start to stand a chance, and when they didn't it was all over....

An example of the French lack of judgement, and the Argentine's great positioning.
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As for France having an easy group. I would hardely call playing Ireland easy. Prior to the match Argetina were 6th in the world, Ireland were 5th. France beat Ireland only on points difference in the six nations. Ireland have the best centre partnership in the world, meaning this channel is blocked to the French as a route of attack. They have outstanding wingers whose defence and attack is great making it diffucult for the French to attack the wings. Ireland have playmakers 10-15, which even Argentina lack, meaning they can make something out of nothing very quickly. All of Ireland's backs, bar maybe one, can kick from hand, and O'Gara is the best touch finder in the world. They have the best 7 in the world, with a brilliant back row, meaning that attacks from the scrums will be diffucult to create for the French. When France beat Ireland in the Six Nations, we were missing both O'Driscoll and Stringer. When those two are on the field Ireland are a different team. We lost by three points to France that day. The next week they returned and we beat England by thirty. The odds are that the group will come down to points difference, with each team winning three games and losing one, but getting a bonus point in their loss.

So don't say France have an easy group, because at the moment there is a strong possibility they could be gone in the first round ;)



Sorry, for disappointing you with reality :p


Edit: I just realised most people here aren't rugby fans, and won't want to read that, so I'll summarise. France chose the wrong team, and always set themselves up for disappointment with their gameplan.

Don't be sorry. I am glad you took the time to explain this. I don't get to watch the matches, and I am glad someone who did is taking the time to explain what went wrong. It dissappoints me that France made those mistakes, but I can hope that they will not continue to make these mistakes. If they do, well, their isn't much I can do about it. Thank you for taking the time to type that up, and explain what went wrong.:)

[Killian]

Don't be sorry. I am glad you took the time to explain this. I don't get to watch the matches, and I am glad someone who did is taking the time to explain what went wrong. It dissappoints me that France made those mistakes, but I can hope that they will not continue to make these mistakes. If they do, well, their isn't much I can do about it. Thank you for taking the time to type that up, and explain what went wrong.:)

That is an area we will have to agree to disagree on, I'm afraid. Being Irish, I would hope they continue being reckless and making bad decisions, so as to ensure Ireland have a safe route, through the group. The two I would most like to see leave the group are Argentina and Ireland. I feel that Argentina are an unbelievable phenomenon, in the fact that they have that level of ability without having a compitition such as the Tri Nations and the Six Nations to compete in and have no regular matches against the top teams in the world. If Argentina get of the group, it would force the IRB to rectify these downright disgraceful oversight, and would thus, improve world rugby. Argentina are a side whom I greatly respect, and believe it is time the world recognised that they can hold their own against the best. Plus, I don't share many happy memories with Les Bleus.

[Tye]

That is an area we will have to agree to disagree on, I'm afraid. Being Irish, I would hope they continue being reckless and making bad decisions, so as to ensure Ireland have a safe route, through the group. The two I would most like to see leave the group are Argentina and Ireland. I feel that Argentina are an unbelievable phenomenon, in the fact that they have that level of ability without having a compitition such as the Tri Nations and the Six Nations to compete in and have no regular matches against the top teams in the world. If Argentina get of the group, it would force the IRB to rectify these downright disgraceful oversight, and would thus, improve world rugby. Argentina are a side whom I greatly respect, and believe it is time the world recognised that they can hold their own against the best. Plus, I don't share many happy memories with Les Bleus.

We all have different preferences and wants about things, Killian. So I can accept that you want different things to happen with France. Do you care to share those unhappy memories with Les Bleus?

[Killian]

We all have different preferences and wants about things, Killian. So I can accept that you want different things to happen with France. Do you care to share those unhappy memories with Les Bleus?

Yes, two years running they have one the Six Nations, when Ireland were, arguably a better team, at least just as good. Meaning ireland have had to settle for the Triple Crown, and live with the memory of their last victory in 1985. Let's just say this doesn't bring about many happy memories. They also knocked us out of the World Cup in 2003, which doesn't really help all hat much.
I think if they got the taste of just barely losing out for once, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

[Piblokto]

I think if they got the taste of just barely losing out for once, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

As a rugby lover, I have much respect for the Irish team, but this time I sincerely hope the French will have the real bad taste of winning their next matches.:)
It won't be the end of the world (c'est la vie), but I would be extremely disapointed if they don't, and I think I'm not the only one here...:(

BTW your analysis are very good, and for our US friends who may not know, could you explain what is the the Triple Crown ?

[Killian]

BTW your analysis are very good, and for our US friends who may not know, could you explain what is the the Triple Crown ?

No problem, I'll have to explain a few things first though. The Six Nations is an annual competition held between the top seeded European rugby nation's of France, Italy, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England.
A Grand Slam is when a team beats all four other opponents and wins the competition without a loss. A Triple Crown is when one of the British countries or Ireland, beat the other three in Britain or Ireland. Basically if Wales were to beat Scotland, Ireland and England that would be a Triple Crown.
Funny fact, the Triple Crown was a title only until 2005 when they made a commemorative plate which Ireland one for the first time.

Piblokto, I must ask. How is the media backlash against the team in France going? Are they blaming Laporte or the players?
The negative impact the media will have will be a big problem for France. It will turn the supporters from positive support to negative support, putting alot of pressure on them to perform.

[Piblokto]

Everybody agrees that the french didn't play at their real level - they didn't play at all -, but I think the medias feel that putting the bleus under heavy pressure could do more harm than good, so there is no real Laporte bashing - not yet -. And there are still hopes for a strong reaction of the team. So everybody's waiting for what's to come.
The bashing will come after...

Wales won against Canada 42-17.

[Killian]

Nice to hear the media know their place for once.

Unfortunately I don't get the Wales match until tomorow. But against Canada, that would seem a fair result.

[Killian]

Sorry for the double post. But I wanted to post a review of today's games. Wales versus Canada I was unable to see but there will be reviews on many sites including rugbyworldcup.com.

South Africa v. Samoa

Well, this match proved to be quite a strange beast. South Africa showed their determination and wide array of talents but the scoreline doesn't reflect the powerful and passionate display by Samoa, that in my opinion, was brought to an abrupt end. In the opening minutes Samoa were very aggressive and bashed South Africa around the pitch. However after 15 minutes they found themselves 15 points to nil down. However a stroke of genius on the 18th minute saw them fly over the line for the first try of the game, and bring the score to 9-7.
However, a surge near the end of the half by the' Boks saw Samoa finish the half on the wrong end of a 21-7 scoreline.
In the second half, Samoa crossed the line early for a perfectly legitimate try, only for it to be disallowed for no good reason. As this would have brought them within 7 points, their heads, understandably, went down. After this the Samoan match was over an South Africa laid into them, finishing the match 57-9. A scoreline which doesn't reflect the game, and could have been very different had the ref not wrongly disallowed the try.


Scotland v. Portugal

This match was a very special occasion for Portugal as it was their first ever appearance in the World Cup. they had fought hard to get there, and everyone expected them to just lay down but it wasn't to be. Portugal played with passion and hard, and in no way were they disgraced in their 56-10 defeat. They gave as much as they took, and managed to build a lot of go forward ball. It was only the Scottish experience which separated the two sides. The Scots 8 tries in the landslide victory. the first try came from relentless pressure and after that it opened up. Sean Lamont scoring a particularly good try. Ofcourse the Portuguese gave themselves reason to be pround when they crossed the line after 28 minutes, after great pressure led to a penalty from which they scored. A second try almost came to the Portuguese in the second half, when Carvalho, the try scorer, intercepted a Scottish pass only to be called back for offside. Although they were comprehensively beaten they were the true stars of the day, and truly deserved the ovation they received at the end of the game. Portugal can return to their country with pride after that display, regardless of the rest of the competition, and they can tell their grandchildren of the day their team scored atry against Scotland in the World Cup.


Ireland v. Namibia

What can really be said about this. Namibia are a side who were beaten by 145 points by Australia, by 104 points by South Africa, beaten by South Africa A, beaten by Argentina A, beaten by an amateur South African side. This is the lowest ranked team in the World Cup. This is a team who are 5000/1 to win the world cup, this is a team who almost defeated Ireland. This is a team who almost caused the biggest upset in World Cup history.As an Irishman, I am nothing short of ashamed by the Irish performance. An Irish performance which was the worst display of the World Cup this year, the worst display by Ireland in at least 10 years. Ireland started well, with captain O'Driscoll, showing why is ranked as the world's greatest centre when he crossed the line after only 4 minutes. You almost felt an air of inevitability, Namibia are gong to be trounced. Of course after 15 minutes and 15-0 you would have been forgiven for still thinking it, but then, something astonishing happened, something no one could have expected, Namibia stood up and said that they weren't going to have, they weren't going to play tackle dummies for stronger opposition any longer. They were going to fight. I wouldn't have believed the next 60 minutes had I not seen it with my own eyes, not only were Namibia good, they were better than their opposition, their opposition who were ranked 5th in the world. They began to not only challenge Ireland, but physically beat them. They began driving forward, and winning ball. The only place Ireland were on top was in the scrum. Ireland did not help matters. Their display was plagued with mistakes that are unacceptable at International level. They were forcing passes which weren't on, getting isolated for no reason, knocking on with no pressure on them. It was with a sigh of relief , that Simon Easterby crossed the line for an Irish try after thirty minutes, and once again, the feeling was that Namibia were going to go down hard, Ireland were settled down. However for the next ten minutes Namibia were on top. Through a late penalty, they got on the scoreboard and the match was on, once again.
The second half began with a feeling of relief for the Irish, they began to dominate, and a series of continuous penalties led to to a penalty try for the Irish, after 9 minutes. Then, almost miraculously, Namibia fought back. They were once again in control everywhere but the scoreboard. Then after 60 minutes, they flew through the Irish defence, and scored a try, they had breached the defence of one of the world's best sides.. Less than 5 minutes later, they did it again, and somehow found themselves in only ten points behind. How were they doing this to Ireland? They continued for the rest of the match but couldn't manage any more points. In the 76th minute, Ireland crossed for an undeserved try, but one taken with gratitude by the Irish. After the full time whistle, I sat there for five minute, almost numb, not from disappointment, not from sorrow, but from sheer shock. How could a top seeded team perform so badly. How could a team, who recently, beat almost everyone in Europe, who last Autumn, beat both South Africa and Australia now almost lose the World Cup's lowest ranked side ? Ireland's world Cup is over now, before it has begun, they are already knocked out. They won't beat Argentina or France after that. And that isn't being cynical, it is being realistic. There is no way they could improve enough to beat either team in only three weeks. Of course while a lot of blame and embarrassment should fall upon the Irish shoulders, the Namibian side should be applauded. They showed heart and courage, and showed that they are a great side. They will never be good enough to beat any of the top team, but tonight they showed that they believe in themselves and they refuse to give up. In this sense, I think while this was a nightmare for Ireland, it will be a memory which will live in the Namibian's hearts for years to come, and they deserve immense credit. Oh, i still hanen't mentioned the final score, 32 -17. Not a fair reflection of the Namibian performance, but ,boy, can they be proud.

Sorry for the fairytale like report of the Ireland game, but that is the way it was.

[Ricardo]

Portugal FTW, it's amazing how the game was only on codified (?) TV channel, I couldn't see it. For an amateur team, it seems like we didn't do so bad :)

[Tye]

Killian, thanks for explaining what a Grand Slam and a Triple Crown is. Also, thanks for the reviews of today's matches.:)

I think you made a mistake on the final score of the IRE vs. NAM final game. On the official Rugby World site it says the final score of IRE vs. NAM was 32-17.

France seems to have lost another player. David Skreal is out for 2 weeks due to an Achilles tendon injury.

[Killian]

Portugal FTW, it's amazing how the game was only on codified (?) TV channel, I couldn't see it. For an amateur team, it seems like we didn't do so bad :)

As I said, as a nation you should be proud. Your team went out and didn't allow themselves to be intimidated. They held their own against Scotland and should be extremely happy with their performance. It was only a few mishaps which let them down. They were the stars of the show, and I think they captured the hearts of the neutral defence, in the same way Namibia did against Ireland ;)

Also, no problem Tye. You are right about the score, but I was in shock, and can't really be blamed for wishing O'Gara got one more conversion:p

[Ricardo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1exk6jpal0&eurl=

Wow, I had never seen a team singing the national anthem this way, I almost cried

http://i7.tinypic.com/4lzew3k.jpg

FORÇA LOBOS!

[Killian]

Yeah, they really poured heart and soul into that rendition. Funny, that they were all very pumped up, but none of them looked nervous.

[aditya8617]

Great job Killian. It was a very good preview.

[Piblokto]

Yes, thank you Killian and keep up the good work !

[Killian]

Argentina v. Georgia

Well, what a World Cup this turning out to be for the minnows. It's amazing in the first week, there have already been many teams not only challenged, but thouroughly rattled by the underdogs. Scotland against Portugal, Wales against Canada, England against USA, Ireland against Namibia, and now Argentina against Georgia. At 33-3, it may seem as though Argentina had an easy afternoon, but as the old saying goes, "it's a game of two halves" or in this case of four quarters. It must not be forgotten that this is another game where the underdogs should have been cast aside as if they were nothing. Nothing short of fifty points would be acceptable against a team like Georgia for Argentina, but on the day they did not perform, and on the day this very nearly cost them very dearly. There is a rule in the rugby world which say that a win is worth four points, but if you score 4 or more tries, you receive an extra bonus point making that win win worth 5 points. This would be vital for Argentina's world cup aspirations, and on this particular night, this almost didn't come. They nearly didn't receive this get out of jail free card as it were.
As I said this was a game of four quarters. In the first two Georgia were the dominant side, outplaying "Los Pumas". Viciously defending and not give the Argentines a look in. The Georgians were the first on the scoreboard, with a penalty after five minutes. It was only inexperince and lack of disciple which prevented them from widening this margin, and at half time, they, undeservedly, found themselves on the wrong side of a 6-3 scoreline, thanks to two Argentine penalties. At this stage, it looked as if the truly unthinkable would happen. Sure, some of the underdogs had come close to victories, but they couldn't actually pull it off, could they? The third quarter was a strange one, in that while neither side shone Argentina's skill and experience brought them through and they managed to raise the scoreline to 21-3 after 56 minutes, thanks to two tries from nothing. But, rather than let their heads drop as many sides would, this served only to encourage the Georgians, who seemed to grow ten feet for the next ten minutes and ferociously attacked the Argentinians and were unlucky to come away with nothing to show for it.
Now Argentina were in dire trouble, they were playing badly, and needed two tries in ten minutes or their World Cup would be very nearly over. Once again, the Argentine's experience saw them cross the line on 72 minutes for the vital third try. Could they manage another, it seemed possible. But time ticked on and Argentina couldn't breach the solid defence of the Georgians. The clock began to tick past 79 minutes when Argentina were awarded a scrum, on the Georgian's try line. You could almost hear the world hold it's breath. Then after three or four agonising phases, they did it. They crossed the line for their fourth try, and that was that. They now stood firmly at teh top of their pool and seem almost set to continue through to the quarter finals.
But once again, the true stars were not the victors, regardless of how dramatic they made their bonus point. It was the Georgians. Another under dog, stared their rival with stony eyes, and refused to back down. Another minnow refused to be beaten back and swept under the carpet as one of rugby's forgotten nations. They stood and fought with grit and determination and won the respect of all those watching.
This World Cup is proving to be special. The small nations, those who are supposed to roll over for the strong, those who are pushed aside every four years, are fighting back. They won't be successful, obviously, but, maybe, just maybe, this is a sign of changing times. Maybe it's time the World took notice of these nations, that they gave them the respect they deserve. It will be a sad day when the quarter finals begin, as it will mark the end of these gallant nation's struggle. They struggle not for glory, or silverware, they seek something much simpler, they merely want the respect and recognition they deserve. This is their World Cup. Remember this it will be remembered as the start of a revolution. It won't be acknowledged today or tommorrow, but years from now, this will be looked upon as a beginning, as the start of something special. And, this my friends, this is rugby!







(I had to throw some personal beliefs in their at the end. I doubt many pundits would agree, but heck, their my opinions).

[painbringer]

i played rugby back in high school... fullback

rugby's good... just doesnt do it for me anymore. hell i'm from canada and i use to watch hockey all the time but not anymore. its all mma now.

[aditya8617]

Damn! the rugby world cup. Because of this stupid wc France had to play their match in Parc des Princes instead of more familiar Stade de France:mad:. Unless the French rugby team win the world cup and compensate for the loss they should be put to the sword!

[cane17]

Damn! the rugby world cup. Because of this stupid wc France had to play their match in Parc des Princes instead of more familiar Stade de France:mad:. Unless the French rugby team win the world cup and compensate for the loss they should be put to the sword!

Its ok Les Blues will make it to Euro 2008 remember Italy and Scotland still have to play one another again.

I just got into Rugby and saw two games France vs Argentina and USA vs England,i hope that USA gets out of the group stage witch that doesn't look to be happening.lol

[Killian]

Its ok Les Blues will make it to Euro 2008 remember Italy and Scotland still have to play one another again.


Psst. I'm pretty sure you are talking about soccer there.


Damn! the rugby world cup. Because of this stupid wc France had to play their match in Parc des Princes instead of more familiar Stade de France:mad:. Unless the French rugby team win the world cup and compensate for the loss they should be put to the sword!

France will make it out of the group and will probably play New Zealand.
In reality the opening match should have been a fix. The only way the World Cup can be successful is if France make it pretty far. So the IRB will do all in their power to ensure this happens, at the expense of Ireland.

[aditya8617]

In reality the opening match should have been a fix. The only way the World Cup can be successful is if France make it pretty far. So the IRB will do all in their power to ensure this happens, at the expense of Ireland.

I doubt that they rig matches. In cricket world cup India and Pakistan were knocked out in round 1. That's like more than 50% of viewers lost but still it happened.

[Killian]

I doubt that they rig matches. In cricket world cup India and Pakistan were knocked out in round 1. That's like more than 50% of viewers lost but still it happened.

No you don't understand, France are the host nation. The IRB needs there support. I'm not saying they rig matches I'm saying that every 50-50 option should go France's way, which wasn't the case against Argentina and will be the case against Ireland. France have to be given an advantage above the others, as if the locals lose interest you are screwed, without local support the whole thing will fall apart.

[aditya8617]

No you don't understand, France are the host nation. The IRB needs there support. I'm not saying they rig matches I'm saying that every 50-50 option should go France's way, which wasn't the case against Argentina and will be the case against Ireland. France have to be given an advantage above the others, as if the locals lose interest you are screwed, without local support the whole thing will fall apart.

Oh! I see. You mean on the pitch referee decisions. So you think Ireland is going to get affected by that or are Irish too strong for France?

[Killian]

Oh! I see. You mean on the pitch referee decisions. So you think Ireland is going to get affected by that or are Irish too strong for France?

No, the Irish aren't strong enough to satnd up against that, so we won't get by the first round, but such is life.

Tony Spreadbury, the ref, made a big mistake on the opening night.

[Tye]

Oh! I see. You mean on the pitch referee decisions. So you think Ireland is going to get affected by that or are Irish too strong for France?

So, its basicly you scratch my back, I will scratch yours?

[Killian]

So, its basicly you scratch my back, I will scratch yours?

Not really, it jonly the host nation who benefits, and they get extra revenue for themselves..

[Tye]

Not really, it jonly the host nation who benefits, and they get extra revenue for themselves..

American Football does not have this so I am new to the idea. The host city's team of the Superbowl doesn't get any special treatment in the game.

[Killian]

American Football does not have this so I am new to the idea. The host city's team of the Superbowl doesn't get any special treatment in the game.

Well, you know it isn't really blatant. The refs don't go out with the intention of winning the game for France and they aren't told to. It kind of like an unwritten rule. But, if Ireland were to be clearly the better side in the day (as Argentina were), the ref wouldn't affect it all, he would leave his interference. It's oonly when the tesams are too close to call.

[Tye]

Well, you know it isn't really blatant. The refs don't go out with the intention of winning the game for France and they aren't told to. It kind of like an unwritten rule. But, if Ireland were to be clearly the better side in the day (as Argentina were), the ref wouldn't affect it all, he would leave his interference. It's oonly when the tesams are too close to call.

Thanks for explaining.

[aditya8617]

lol, England lost 36-0 to Russia and they are the defending champions. Is that a big shock or does this England team suck that much.

[Killian]

lol, England lost 36-0 to Russia and they are the defending champions. Is that a big shock or does this England team suck that much.

Wow, they lost to Russia. They're not even in the World Cup, so that is quite a shock :eek:

No, I'm kidding. I'm guessing you just saw Evg. v. RSA. RSA stand for the Republic of South Africa, not Russia. Easy ,mistake to make.

So, it wasn't a shock. South Africa are an amazing force in rugby at the moment, and to put it bluntly, England are not.

The main shock was that South Africa didn't win by more, in what was a thoroughly one sided affair. England never got off the starting blocks, and the 'Boks punished them dearly. Racking up three tries, which should have been four, but for cowardly decisions on the South African's side. Such as not going for a try when you are 33 - o up with two minutes to go.

England now are at a loss, as they will struggle to get out of their group, as they have a very physical clash with the Samoan's ahead of them. They are also without star players Jason Robinson, Johnny Wilkinson and Phil Vickery adding to their problems.

It will be a sad and desperate World Cup for the reigning champions if they don't start performing soon.

[Killian]

Sorry, I haven't updated in a while, but I am a bit disappointed with le Coupe du Monde. It's become le Coupe de Merde, in the word's of Neil Francis, and I agree. The quality is abysmal. The Northern Hemisphere teams have all but fallen apart, and even the minnows are beginning to give up.

This World Cup has been quite disappointing.

[Piblokto]

Sorry, I haven't updated in a while, but I am a bit disappointed with le Coupe du Monde. It's become le Coupe de Merde, in the word's of Neil Francis, and I agree. The quality is abysmal. The Northern Hemisphere teams have all but fallen apart, and even the minnows are beginning to give up.

This World Cup has been quite disappointing.


I have a different feeling about this but I can understand your disapointment. It's true that the Irish didn't do well this time, but they still have an opportunity to show their real value against Argentine, and an Irish win would be quite welcome here in France as well...
Considering North Vs South, it' true that South took the lead, but I hope France will surprise us. They've already done so in the past (1999 against the blacks) and who kwnows, they might do it again...

[Killian]

I have a different feeling about this but I can understand your disapointment. It's true that the Irish didn't do well this time, but they still have an opportunity to show their real value against Argentine, and an Irish win would be quite welcome here in France as well...
Considering North Vs South, it' true that South took the lead, but I hope France will surprise us. They've already done so in the past (1999 against the blacks) and who kwnows, they might do it again...

Well, it isn't just Ireland really. I mean France only turned it on against Namibia, and it can't be said they had a comprehensive display against Ireland. At this point in time, the odds of them beating the All Blacks are very slim. I mean look at your top performers. Michalack is a joke, he is possibly the most selfish player in World Rugby, Chabal hasn't been playing well at all. Clerment (second name?) was completely rattled by the Irish, Heymans can't cope with the high ball. Scotland and Wales haven't been doing great. Italy have been terrible, and England have only had one good performance.

Actually, I must ask are the French media always so petty that they would try to bring down the Irish morale by picking on Ronan O'Gara. I mean they said he had a gambling problem and he was getting a divorce, and that he was taking it out on the team. This is going to lower his morale and confidence, and the media knew that? I mean do the French think that these tatics are fair? (I am not trying to bring down the French, just the French media, I mean that sort of personal attack on a sportsman, a shy and reserved sportsman at that, is horrific).

[Piblokto]

Well, it isn't just Ireland really. I mean France only turned it on against Namibia, and it can't be said they had a comprehensive display against Ireland. At this point in time, the odds of them beating the All Blacks are very slim. I mean look at your top performers. Michalack is a joke, he is possibly the most selfish player in World Rugby, Chabal hasn't been playing well at all. Clément (second name? : Poitrenaud) was completely rattled by the Irish, Heymans can't cope with the high ball.

But they won... And I'm still sure that on a good day, after a pilgrimage at Lourdes and a few voodoo sacrifices if necessary, they can beat the Blacks:)


Actually, I must ask are the French media always so petty that they would try to bring down the Irish morale by picking on Ronan O'Gara. I mean they said he had a gambling problem and he was getting a divorce, and that he was taking it out on the team. This is going to lower his morale and confidence, and the media knew that? I mean do the French think that these tatics are fair? (I am not trying to bring down the French, just the French media, I mean that sort of personal attack on a sportsman, a shy and reserved sportsman at that, is horrific).

Unfortunately, I can't comment on that cause I've never heard of Ronan O'gara's private life in the press I read or on TV. This is maybe because I don't read sports newspapers or tabloids. Only "real" press and vintage motorcycles magazines...

[Killian]

But they won... And I'm still sure that on a good day, after a pilgrimage at Lourdes and a few voodoo sacrifices if necessary, they can beat the Blacks:)

I am fairly certain it will take more than that ;) You may need to sacrifice a couple of lambs, and figure out how to counter-act the Haka. ;)

The quicker Laporte leaves the better, in my opinion. He is a clown and shouldn't still be the French coach, much like Eddie O'Sullivan and Ireland.




Unfortunately, I can't comment on that cause I've never heard of Ronan O'gara's private life in the press I read or on TV. This is maybe because I don't read sports newspapers or tabloids. Only "real" press and vintage motorcycles magazines...

I think it was L'equipe and the likes.

I know they have been trying to bring down the Irish from day one. I am sure the "real" French newspapers don't report this BS. It's just that the Irish team were forced to have a press conference to dis-spell the rumours of an unhappy camp the day before the game. This would not lead to a good attitude going into the game.
I'm glad it was just the tabloids, I can now keep my trust of the French media, and continue to read their websites.

[Killian]

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Chabal.
Arrogance, pride, commitment?
Call it what you want I say its pure comedy.

[Piblokto]

Chabal.
Arrogance, pride, commitment?
Call it what you want I say its pure comedy.

Yes indeed, but he apologized later on and even though he's playing for Sale in England, his english is worse than mine...
But he din't have to apologize for that :
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[Killian]

Even cavemen can be conquered ;)
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[Piblokto]

Sure, but he can rely on a loving family to look after him when things go wrong :

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Not to mention his sexy little sister :

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[Killian]

Got to love how the Irish just play along. It's nice to see such a communal spirit in rugby. You don't get that in many sports.

[Piblokto]

Got to love how the Irish just play along. It's nice to see such a communal spirit in rugby. You don't get that in many sports.

And this is exactly what I like, as much as the game itself...
almost...

[Killian]

And this is exactly what I like, as much as the game itself...
almost...

You're right. You also get to hit people. And, that is what rugby is truly about :p (I'm sure Chabal would agree with me on that one).

[Ricardo]

Eheh, Portugal and NZ went for a beer and a soccer game after the game lol I wish our country put the eyes on these guys, they are making us proud :)

[Killian]

Eheh, Portugal and NZ went for a beer and a soccer game after the game lol I wish our country put the eyes on these guys, they are making us proud :)

Actually that's surprisingly true. Although Portugal haven't been able to score enough to cause upsets, they have played heroically and earned the respect of the rugby world. You are a team who breach the All Blacks defence and scored a try. Now, when when Ireland was performing well, a year ago, this is something they almost failed to do, scoring their first try in the 78th minute.

So I must applaud the effort of Los Lobos for coming to RWC and showing us what rugby is truly about. Passion, determination and a never say die attitude.

[Ricardo]

Actually that's surprisingly true. Although Portugal haven't been able to score enough to cause upsets, they have played heroically and earned the respect of the rugby world. You are a team who breach the All Blacks defence and scored a try. Now, when when Ireland was performing well, a year ago, this is something they almost failed to do, scoring their first try in the 78th minute.

So I must applaud the effort of Los Lobos for coming to RWC and showing us what rugby is truly about. Passion, determination and a never say die attitude.

Not "Los Lobos" but "Os Lobos" :p That would be a little Spanish. It would be cool if we could win against Romania tomorrow:D

[Killian]

Not "Los Lobos" but "Os Lobos" :p That would be a little Spanish. It would be cool if we could win against Romania tomorrow:D

My bad, I do Spanish in school and got confused :p

But, don't count on beating Romania. They are a very physical side, and should be strong enough to bash through Portugal.

But don't expect Portugal to lie down without a fight either. Romania certainly won't have it easy, by any means.

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

Wallabieeeessssss

[Killian]

Wallabieeeessssss

I must ask, what is a 15 year old Mexican boy doing brandishing the Australian colours and rugby logos?

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

I must ask, what is a 15 year old Mexican boy doing brandishing the Australian colours and rugby logos?

Dunno, I can't use them or what...

[Piblokto]

Yes you can, Zack. But why this sudden enthusiasm for the land of down under ?

[Killian]

I get to go to the Ireland - Argentina game!!!!

I only just found out, but I'm heading to Paris tomorrow. This is brilliant, because I love Paris, and will definetly pick up some Lili stuff if at all possible. And, to top it all off, I get to see Ireland play in the World Cup.

I love suprises!

(I'm not attempting to boast, merely, trying to not burst a blood vessel by bottling it up).

[Tye]

I get to go to the Ireland - Argentina game!!!!

I only just found out, but I'm heading to Paris tomorrow. This is brilliant, because I love Paris, and will definetly pick up some Lili stuff if at all possible. And, to top it all off, I get to see Ireland play in the World Cup.

I love suprises!

(I'm not attempting to boast, merely, trying to not burst a blood vessel by bottling it up).

Have fun!:)

[AlphaDevil2]

Don't worry about Zack, he won't bother using the aussie colours after saturday, when the WORLD CHAMPIONS repeat the feat of four years ago and beat the Aussies.

You might as well wear the English colours zack :p

[Killian]

Don't worry about Zack, he won't bother using the aussie colours after saturday, when the WORLD CHAMPIONS repeat the feat of four years ago and beat the Aussies.

You might as well wear the English colours zack :p

Although I am Irish, and really shouldn't talk, I can't help but feel pity for the fact that you still believe ;)

It's going to take more than God to save you against the might of Australia, especially seeing as the sweet chariot was taken in for prepares in early 2004....

Although missing Larkham, if Wilko does his job you stand a chance. My only worry is, that, without Robinson you have very little to attack with, and may have to really on kicking 3 pointers as you did three years ago, and I don't know if that will work this time round...

[Killian]

I'll post some more tomorrow and tell some tales of the trip, but here is a quick image I took at the match between Ireland and Argentina.
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[lamedog]

If you don't already know - All Blacks just LOST :( to France 20-18.

Also England beat Australia.

Just an update; the french move on :( :( :( :(

[Piblokto]

I am fairly certain it will take more than that ;) You may need to sacrifice a couple of lambs, and figure out how to counter-act the Haka. ;)
.

I don't know haw many welsh (or kiwi) lambs have been sacrified, but they've done it. And they did counteract the Haka...:D
I thought it was going to be australia and NZ for the 1/2 final, I've never bees so happy to be wrong, at least for the 2nd.
Allez les bleus !

[Killian]

I don't know haw many welsh (or kiwi) lambs have been sacrified, but they've done it. And they did counteract the Haka...:D
I thought it was going to be australia and NZ for the 1/2 final, I've never bees so happy to be wrong, at least for the 2nd.
Allez les bleus !

Allez les bleus indeed. La marseillaise will be ringing around Cardiff tonight ;) I must say France defended astonishingly (130+ tackles!), and a big congratulations for the win.
I must say, though, I don't feel it was France who won the game, but rather New Zealand who lost it. As per usual, the pressure their fellow countrymen put on them proved to be crippling and they collapsed under it. I mean the had 72% of the possession and a similar number of the territory. They were only made to make around 40 tackles. New Zealand are still the best team in world rugby, but, unfortunately, they are also the biggest bottlers. Losing almost all your best players throughout the game can't help.

But extreme credit to les bleus, they played with passion and commitment and came out victorious. They didn't see a lot of ball, but they used what they got.

At the end had Carter been playing the All Blacks would have been victorious, he would have knocked over a simple drop goal, and it would have been bon soir.

Allez les bleus? More like mourez les noirs...

[Piblokto]

Yes indeed, once carter out, it was quite a different game. But c'est le sport, and if les bleus spent 2/3 of their time defending, they did it very well and it's not easy at all when you have the blacks in front of you.

[Killian]

Yes indeed, once carter out, it was quite a different game. But c'est le sport, and if les bleus spent 2/3 of their time defending, they did it very well and it's not easy at all when you have the blacks in front of you.

Very, very true. If the French win it outright, which is a very big possibility now, I would love to see them march under the Arc de Triomphe like one of the old victorious armies. That would be quite a statement to the rest of the world :p

I really feel sorry for the All Blacks though. Their media will want Graham Henry's blood, as well as that of the players, and they fail to realise it is because of this pressure to win, and as the fear of losing, they place on their team that they always lose at the RWC. Blood will fly tomorrow, and I'm glad to be Irish while it is happening...

[AlphaDevil2]

Although I am Irish, and really shouldn't talk, I can't help but feel pity for the fact that you still believe ;)

You can not win anything without belief my friend. If you have no belief there is no point turning up.


It's going to take more than God to save you against the might of Australia
We do not need god....when you are WORLD CHAMPIONS you have the knowledge to raise your game when its important, as was shown today. So Killian perhaps Australia aren't that good? Guess they are better then Ireland at least they made the knock outs :p

Well the WORLD CHAMPIONS are still in the competition and as I said at the start of the tournament are finding some momentum. Now its the French next and who ever wins that will win the title. Mark my words I always said that if the WORLD CHAMPIONS were somehow going to hget knocked out, that France or Ireland would win. With Ireland being a complete let down that leaves France. But we are now finding some rhythm and getting the results when they are needed.

[Piblokto]

Very, very true. If the French win it outright, which is a very big possibility now, I would love to see them march under the Arc de Triomphe like one of the old victorious armies. That would be quite a statement to the rest of the world :p

I really feel sorry for the All Blacks though. Their media will want Graham Henry's blood, as well as that of the players, and they fail to realise it is because of this pressure to win, and as the fear of losing, they place on their team that they always lose at the RWC. Blood will fly tomorrow, and I'm glad to be Irish while it is happening...

Unfortunately, walking under the Arc De Triomphe is not a good idea, as walking on the monument to the unkwnown soldier would'nt be appreciated;) The Champs Elysées are more convenient for public rejoicing.
And last time they beat the blacks in a world cup, they thought they were world champions. But it was only the semi-final, and they lost at the end. I hope they won't do the same mistake this time.
For the Blacks and their coach, the loser's fate is hash, c'est la vie. Had the french lost that Laporte would have been in a very difficult position.

[Killian]

Unfortunately, walking under the arc de triomphe is not a good idea, as walking on the monument to the unkwnown soldier would'nt be appreciated;) The Champs Elysées are more convenient for public rejoicing.
And last time they beat the blacks in a world cup, they thought they were world champion. But it was only the semi-final, and they lost at the end. I hope they won't do the same mistake this time.
For the Blacks and their coach, the loser's fate is hard, c'est la vie. Had the french lose that Laporte would have been in a very difficult position.

Well, Laporte is gone already, isn't he? And, I think Henry is in a much more diffucult position. If France had lost, they would have lost to the top team in the world. The All Blacks have no such comfort...
I forgot about the unknown soldier memorial, but the idea is what counts I guessed. Perhaps, they could ride their bus around it a few times, the idea would be the same.


Here's to an Argentina - France final.

[Piblokto]

It would be interesting, but as Alpha said, the four years ago's WORLD CHAMPIONS will be hard to beat...

[Killian]

It would be interesting, but as Alpha said, the four years ago's WORLD CHAMPIONS will be hard to beat...

Particularly, after a confidence boosting victory over Australia. Today was a good day for the Six Nations, and Northern Hemisphere rugby. We have regained some respectability after an abysmal pool stage.

[Piblokto]

But the french will win cause they have the support of Mother Africa :

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[Piblokto]

The way they counter-acted the Haka :

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Although the Blacks were expecting something from the French, I can feel that they put a bit less conviction in their Haka.

[Killian]

I think the reason for the Haka looking like it was performed with less conviction was that you weren't looking at their faces the majority of the time, and when you were it was at Ali Williams for large part, and he is renowned for being unintimidating during the haka. But look at McCAw or Rococoko and you'll see they put everything into it. I always thought the whole thing about dealing with the Haka to beat the All Blacks was absolute rubbish. It is done on the pitch not during a pre-match display, as France showed us.

[AlphaDevil2]

And so the WORLD CHAMPIONS once again do enough and see off the French. It was not pretty but the job got done, it was never going to be a great spetacle.

We entered the World cup as suposedly "no hopers" but as I said would happen the WORLD CHAMPIONS raised their game and now we stand just 80 mins away from making history.

[Killian]

And so the WORLD CHAMPIONS once again do enough and see off the French. It was not pretty but the job got done, it was never going to be a great spetacle.

We entered the World cup as suposedly "no hopers" but as I said would happen the WORLD CHAMPIONS raised their game and now we stand just 80 mins away from making history.


Yeah, all that stands between you and the Webb Ellis, are Habana, Burger, Steyn, Montegomory, De Veillers, Peterson...... :p

[AlphaDevil2]

Yeah, all that stands between you and the Webb Ellis, are Habana, Burger, Steyn, Montegomory, De Veillers, Peterson...... :p


Yes its not as if France or Australia posess any world class players ;)

Besides I could do the same thing with the England team but I think just reminding you of the fact that we are WORLD CHAMPIONS and in another world cup final is sufficent :p

[cane17]

Swing Low, Sweet Chariot Go England !!!!!!!!

[Tye]

Does France still have a chance to go all the way since they lost to England, or can they only try for bronze now?

[AlphaDevil2]

Does France still have a chance to go all the way since they lost to England, or can they only try for bronze now?

I'm afraid not, it was straight knock out. Now they will play for 3/4 place on Friday

[Tye]

I'm afraid not, it was straight knock out. Now they will play for 3/4 place on Friday

Thanks for the info.

[AlphaDevil2]

Its not an all important result but still

France 10 Argentina 34

Argentina beat France to the third spot.

Tonight is the big one when the WORLD CHAMPIONS reclaim their crown, rising to the peak of the sport once again in the face of such adversity!

[Killian]

Its not an all important result but still

France 10 Argentina 34

Argentina beat France to the third spot.

Tonight is the big one when the WORLD CHAMPIONS reclaim their crown, rising to the peak of the sport once again in the face of such adversity!

That is actually a very important score... Argentina coming third means that they should be guaranteed a spot in the Tri Nations. Also, they hd to prove the opening match was not just a fluke, but they have the skill to do it over and over again.

[AlphaDevil2]

Congratulations South Africa, World Cup Winners.

The best side throughout the tournament won, deservedly so. They were winning the line outs, as well as the important battles and Englands luck just ran out.

Congratulations South Africa

[Killian]

It was a much more comprehensive team that won the tournament, and perhaps rightly so. Sometimes, it is better for the sport when the multidimensional sides win. It helps the advancement of the sport with youth who see the World Champion's playing the way they want to play.

But, regardless, commiserations AlphaDevil.