Any live TF1 feeds?

[fsquared]

Are there any live feeds out there for TF1? I guess there's archived 50 Mins inside; I don't know how long it will take for them to post the newest show though.

[fsquared]

You can watch it right now live on the tf1 50 mins inside website!!

[Sauron]

Post the Link then! ;)

[heyamigo]

http://videos.tf1.fr/video/

click voir la video.

damn i wish i knew french....we need subtitles!!!

[fsquared]

http://videos.tf1.fr/video/

Click on "voir le video"

[Sauron]

http://videos.tf1.fr/video/

click voir la video.

damn i wish i knew french....we need subtitles!!!

merci ...i only found old episodes at first

[heyamigo]

remember, i think the segment on alizée is the last one so probably towards 7:30 at least.

[Deus_Ex]

someone put the video (with translations) on the video section of Moi-alizee.us :D

[heyamigo]

i'll capture it as soon as alizee segment airs someone can translate it.

[Cooney]

I'm going to be at work :-(

I wanna see that vid posted by the time I get home! :D

If a better candidate isn't already doing so, I'll do my best to rough translate it tonight. No guarantees for accuracy, but I can probably do alright.

[clique]

Only 15 min left of the show now and still no Alizée. Or did I miss it?

[Bigdan]

I can try to translate the most interesting parts ( if there is any !)

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[Ricardo]

It's after the commercial break!

[Bigdan]

Only 15 min left of the show now and still no Alizée. Or did I miss it?

It's coming. it's on the second part of the show. Dont' get away!:)

[Bigdan]

Right now it's a Big brother show star called Tatiana. Right after her, it's Alizee.

[heyamigo]

bah who cares about tatiana...hurry up with alizee!!!

[Bigdan]

Yes!!!! it's now !!!

[clique]

A quick summary someone with knowledge in French? Thanks.

Funny that they showed the new pics of Alizée, probably got them off of some French forum :p

And was that the lyrics to the rumoured song Idealizee?

[Bigdan]

Well... nothing really new....:(

[heyamigo]

ok wtf were they saying??

[fsquared]

What was the lawyer saying? Something about some transaction?

[clique]

It seemed like they talked about the rumored financial dispute between Alizée and Mylene. I think everyone should keep in mind though that shows like this one are usually just repeating rumors, so take what they said with a grain of salt.

[Bigdan]

They say she have buy back her artist name (Alizee) to Mylène, who own it.
They talk about Idealizée, a song they present as a portrait of Mylène.
They say she must have a succes wtih her third coming album , or it coud be the end of her career...

[lefty12357]

Thanks, Bigdan ! I really appreciate your help. I'm sure everyone does at this site.

[Bigdan]

One journalist said that Mylène was considering her as a "mini-me" !

[fsquared]

One journalist said that Mylène was considering her as a "mini-me" !

I think that was a portrayal that came up quite a bit earlier in A's career, right? I also remember hearing something previously about the record company or someone owning Alizée's logo and all that. Interesting... too bad there weren't any dates or announcements or etc.

[Bigdan]

I think this is a kind of revelation for a majority of the people who watch the show. A lot of people, who are not reals fans, just remember Alizee as the famous Lolita and still ask themselves " why does she disappeared ? " and they discover that the relation between her and Mylène was so bad...

[lefty12357]

I just hope people buy her third album. I think this is the "make or break" moment for her career.

[Ricardo]

Thanks Bigdan, I didn't understand the part where they said Mylène was considering her as a mini-me...French people speak too quickly :P

[heyamigo]

this is what back in black said on AF:

They seemed very sympathetic towards her and rather harsh towards Mylène. They said Mylène and her staff took very rigorous notes on Alizée's concert performances and talked about how Alizée had some trouble onstage.

Also, Mylène tried and successfully copyrighted Alizée's name and it took Alizée a substantial sum to get it back.

i had a feeling that the concert tour created a rift between them. a lot of people fond of alizée were not very impressed by her en concert live vocals. mylene probably realized if alizée can't impress with live vocals, it will be too hard to advance her career.

[Ricardo]

I wonder how Mylène fans will feel about this

[RadioactiveMan]

Dagle's recording:

http://www.mediafire.com/?0ydymumtgxn

[lefty12357]

I don’t know. I like a lot of MF/LB’s music, (which may have to do more with LB), but if forced to take sides, I would of course choose Alizée. I’m sure their relationship started out with the best intentions, but relationships are dynamic, and expectations can change over time. I’m not passing any judgment on MF yet.

[heyamigo]

i'll upload just the alizee segment. it's about 30mb.

btw, doesn't alizee america have a ftp server?

[CFHollister]

I'll say this for these kinds of rumors. If they're true, than it will certainly create a lot of buzz about Alizée's return. If they're false, then it will certainly light a fire under "Team Alizée's" colective butts to come out with the single, album, interview, or announcement real soon.

[heyamigo]

i think the part about mylene copyrighting alizee's name is supposed to mean copyrighting the alizee logo.

[Ben]

For those lazy people who like to stream (thanks nidalizee):

<object width="425" height="335"><param name="movie" value="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/KjqNZfMVlvxsmkGd6"></param><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/KjqNZfMVlvxsmkGd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="335" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

True or not (though we've heard from the horse's mouth that the lyrics aren't an attack on Mylene), the amount of melodrama in that report is ridiculous! And the use of those online pictures was very unprofessional!

[lefty12357]

I'll say this for these kinds of rumors. If they're true, than it will certainly create a lot of buzz about Alizée's return. If they're false, then it will certainly light a fire under "Team Alizée's" colective butts to come out with the single, album, interview, or announcement real soon.

Indeed. I may be loosing my objectivity because of my own wants and feelings, but if her fans feel the same way I do, this is the time to get out in the public. If this current arc of emotion is allowed to burn itself out, I think an opportunity will have been missed. The spark is alive now, it's time to throw some real fuel on the fire.

[RMJ]

And the use of those online pictures was very unprofessional!
Totally...

It's ridiculous what media is willing to do just to get few more listeners...

[Bigdan]

i think the part about mylene copyrighting alizee's name is supposed to mean copyrighting the alizee logo.

No. It's really about her name. The name "Alizée" was register at the INPI , by the Mylène farmer company. That's why it's was crucial for Alizée to have it and to still produce herself under this name.

[Ben]

Totally...

It's ridiculous what media is willing to do just to get few more listeners...
I know. Working in TV myself, and having seen how many times we double and triple check that we have the releases for every sound, image, and person in our show... it boogles the mind. Some people on AFC are saying they could get sued. :eek:


mylene probably realized if alizée can't impress with live vocals, it will be too hard to advance her career.
BTW, an odd thing for someone who herself has been criticised for not being able to sing well live to think... :blink:

[RMJ]

i think the part about mylene copyrighting alizee's name is supposed to mean copyrighting the alizee logo.

Logo AND name. Both were trademarked.

[Piblokto]

Logo AND name. Both were trademarked.

A lady whose first name was Milka had a site (milka.ch), but milka is also a well known brand of swiss chocolate (now a Kraft Food property). Kraft Food won the trial and this lady had to withdraw her site...
Tht's why Alizée had to pay to use her own name...

[heyamigo]

anyways, here's the link to just the alizee segment:

http://rapidshare.com/files/54287682/TF1-50min.mpg.html

its about 30mb.

bah...didn't see snatcher post the streaming one. just watch that one, i guess.

[Ben]

bah...didn't see snatcher post the streaming one. just watch that one, i guess.
No way, download is always better. Streaming is just a quick alternative. Thanks for your clip!

[heyamigo]

True or not (though we've heard from the horse's mouth that the lyrics aren't an attack on Mylene)...

well the songwriter who said there isn't any mylene bashing song was jean faque, right? maybe he didn't write the lyrics to idealizee then? nobody said that he wrote every song on the album, correct?

[Killian]

Thanks for the videos and explanations, guys. I was completely lost throughout, being only able to pick up a few words/phrases to heart.
So i this show like those shown on E! Mildly entertaining, but not to be taken to heart? Or is it more or less factual?

[Ben]

well the songwriter who said there isn't any mylene bashing song was jean faque, right? maybe he didn't write the lyrics to idealizee then? nobody said that he wrote every song on the album, correct?
Yeah, but not only did he say he didn't write any, but also that he wouldn't be comfortable working on a project that had any. And I agree with him. Even if there is a conflict between Alizée and Mylene, an album is not the place to fight it.

[Deepwaters]

I can't see any Mylène-bashing in the lyrics to Idealizée. If there is any, it's quite subtle. It looks more like bashing Alizée's own early image, and rejecting that image.

If that album cover art isn't a complete fake, it looks like she's using a new logo, so didn't buy the old one.

And -- if Mylène copyrighted Alizée's name, forcing her to pay to use it -- her own NAME, for Goddess' sake! -- well, in my view that's just inexcusable. Legal, maybe (although that's a surprise to me), but many things are legal which are also contemptible. That qualifies. :mad:

[Leo Sonidus]

True or not (though we've heard from the horse's mouth that the lyrics aren't an attack on Mylene), the amount of melodrama in that report is ridiculous! And the use of those online pictures was very unprofessional!

Totally...

It's ridiculous what media is willing to do just to get few more listeners...

I'm not so sure. Alizee has been absent and pretty much private from the public for a good while now. Most of the interest, news and info about her has been pretty much kept alive by the many fan sites and blogs. From an info/news media stand point, to capture the total scope of interest in her, you almost can't, legitimately, omit that aspect of things.

And with all the rumors afloat, a lot of the questions found on the net, are the very questions people want/hope to see answered when these shows are broadcasted.

[heyamigo]

Totally...

It's ridiculous what media is willing to do just to get few more listeners...

yea, but this is obviously one of those tabloid TV shows. i mean what do you expect? it's so much about sensationalism and scandals in the general media, and the tabloid sector is 100x worse.

[Ben]

Yeah, but you still can't just put something on a major TV network like TF1 without checking the rights for it...

Anyway, here's a higher quality DivX capture. Still waiting for an mpeg2 from a master like Olympio or someone.

La vidéo en telechargement directe :

Téléchargement Vidéo Alizée Inside DIVX 720*576 94Mo (http://rapidshare.com/files/54287266/Aliz_e_50_min_Inside.divx.html)

Divx 720*576 : 94 Mo

[RMJ]

I can't see any Mylène-bashing in the lyrics to Idealizée. If there is any, it's quite subtle. It looks more like bashing Alizée's own early image, and rejecting that image.

If that album cover art isn't a complete fake, it looks like she's using a new logo, so didn't buy the old one.

And -- if Mylène copyrighted Alizée's name, forcing her to pay to use it -- her own NAME, for Goddess' sake! -- well, in my view that's just inexcusable. Legal, maybe (although that's a surprise to me), but many things are legal which are also contemptible. That qualifies. :mad:

It is not just a name. It's a BRAND. There is only one Alizée Jacotey in music business and it's called Alizée. So record company has all the rights to get product protection for it. They can copyright it, they can trademark it. It's their legal brand. Not to be used by anyone else. Not in music business at least.

It's irrelevant if it's someone name in real life. Of course Alizée can use her name now and always, but in music business she'd be in trouble if she didn't have rights to use the name now. She could be sued right away for using it. But fortunately, she did got it back, or at least got rights to use it.

[Ben]

It's not an issue of whether Mylene (or we should say, Requiem Publishing) copyrighted the name - in fact that would be for Alizée's own good while working with them, and quite a negligence if they didn't. It's whether Mylene held those rights hostage, so to speak, when Alizée wanted to go her own way. This report instigates she did, but I don't completely trust that.

[Killian]

I can't see any Mylène-bashing in the lyrics to Idealizée. If there is any, it's quite subtle. It looks more like bashing Alizée's own early image, and rejecting that image.

If that album cover art isn't a complete fake, it looks like she's using a new logo, so didn't buy the old one.

And -- if Mylène copyrighted Alizée's name, forcing her to pay to use it -- her own NAME, for Goddess' sake! -- well, in my view that's just inexcusable. Legal, maybe (although that's a surprise to me), but many things are legal which are also contemptible. That qualifies. :mad:

Well, to be fair, Mylène probably copyrighted it in the Lolita days, when she was still Alizée producer and mentor. She didn't know that Alizée and her would part ways, and when they did, why would she just hand over the name when she had been the one to copyright. Now if she was extortionist towards Alizée with the name, that's a different sory, but we have no proof, do we?

[Leo Sonidus]

It's not an issue of whether Mylene (or we should say, Requiem Publishing) copyrighted the name - in fact that would be for Alizée's own good while working with them, and quite a negligence if they didn't. It's whether Mylene held those rights hostage, so to speak, when Alizée wanted to go her own way. This report instigates she did, but I don't completely trust that.

Nicely said, and again, one of those questions people hope to have answered.

[lowbeam]

In a way it's like Prince (of course that's not his real name) changing his name into that silly symbol and selling music as "the artist formerly known as Prince". In his case he just had to wait until the contract with his old record company ran out to begin using Prince. Alizée's name may have been contracted in a different way - maybe forever? So she had to buy it back.

This is supposing this is true, so many rumors are flying around it's hard to know. Alizée, please my delight come back to us so this madness can stop - and a better madness can begin.

[lefty12357]

Good example, Lowbeam. I don’t know the management structure of Mylene’s company, but it may not be in her power to just give away a company asset of some value like Alizée’s name.

[heyamigo]

well all i gotta say is there better be this "idealizee" song on real the album. i'll be really pissed after all this drama that it's false report. however, i do kinda wish they'd take such negative song off the album, and i really do hope it's not the mylene bashing song. jean faque better be right...

about holding the name rights to hostage and extortion, why would mylene need to do that? she's probably got all the money in the world, why would she bother risking her reputation by messing with a teenager's name? i think there wasn't any of that nasty stuff, i'd guess it was more the complicated process of legally transfering requiem's rights to the name/logo back to alizee. it just doesn't make sense why mylene would be nasty about it.

[Ben]

Yeah I don't really believe it either, though if true, it was probably more a question of image than of money. You know like, Alizée is associated with Mylene now, so she'd be afraid of letting her continue uncontrolled. Mylene can be very protective of herself that way.

[fsquared]

In a way it's like Prince (of course that's not his real name) changing his name into that silly symbol and selling music as "the artist formerly known as Prince". In his case he just had to wait until the contract with his old record company ran out to begin using Prince. Alizée's name may have been contracted in a different way - maybe forever? So she had to buy it back.

This is supposing this is true, so many rumors are flying around it's hard to know. Alizée, please my delight come back to us so this madness can stop - and a better madness can begin.

It actually is his real name IIRC; something like William Prince Nelson.

[Deepwaters]

It is not just a name. It's a BRAND. There is only one Alizée Jacotey in music business and it's called Alizée. So record company has all the rights to get product protection for it. They can copyright it, they can trademark it. It's their legal brand. Not to be used by anyone else. Not in music business at least.


You are speaking legally here, RMJ. I am speaking morally. I recognize that what you say may be legally true. I consider that completely irrelevant, however, to the question of whether Mylène was being a greedy, controlling ass. Remember, I live in the U.S.A., home to the original archetype of the utterly amoral and despicable corporation, which nonetheless usually stays within the law, keeping expensive legal staff on the payroll to make sure they do. What is legal is not necessarily what is right.

As stated above, however, we don't know if Mylène actually did this. If she did, then she just sank to the level of bottom-feeder in my estimation. If not -- then OK.

[Leo Sonidus]

They say she have buy back her artist name (Alizee) to Mylène, who own it.
They talk about Idealizée, a song they present as a portrait of Mylène.
They say she must have a succes wtih her third coming album , or it coud be the end of her career...

Maybe that answers the question of an empty Alizee icon and no official page at RCA. Maybe the transfer of user rights are not available yet.


You'd think that RCA would at least have pointed to this page or any other OFFICIAL BLOG, if one truly existed. On the other hand, it would not take RCA a hot minute to put something up like this themselves, if only for the sake of measuring interest for their new signee. But also, I am sure RCA is aware of all the clicks her empty icon has gotten on their artist page thus far. Maybe some insider stuff is getting posted, but I don't think there is anyhing official yet, site wise....or else there are bigger problems.

[lowbeam]

It actually is his real name IIRC; something like William Prince Nelson.

Thanks, I didn't know that. So it's even a better example.:D

[Ben]

You are speaking legally here, RMJ. I am speaking morally. I recognize that what you say may be legally true. I consider that completely irrelevant, however, to the question of whether Mylène was being a greedy, controlling ass.
Again though, copyrighting her name back in the days of Moi Lolita is what any responsible label/manager would be obligated to do for everyone's protection, Alizée's first and foremost.

The question is whether they acted morally when it was time to transfer those rights. We're going completely by a sensationalist tabloid news report in assuming that they didn't. Even if the switch was difficult, it could have been because of some legal red-tape we don't know about, not malice or greed on anyone's part.

[Deepwaters]

The question is whether they acted morally when it was time to transfer those rights.


Precisely.


We're going completely by a sensationalist tabloid news report in assuming that they didn't.

Also true.

[lefty12357]

It actually is his real name IIRC; something like William Prince Nelson.

Actually, I think it's Prince Rogers Nelson. He's from my neck of the woods.

Edit: Can you imagine Alizée using a symbol and being known as 'the artist formerly known as Alizée"? I wonder what symbol she would have picked?:D

[fsquared]

Actually, I think it's Prince Rogers Nelson. He's from my neck of the woods.

You're right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)

[CFHollister]

Can you imagine Alizée using a symbol and being known as 'the artist formerly known as Alizée"? I wonder what symbol she would have picked?:D

Poisson Rouge, Dauphin, Venus (female) sign, Napoleonic hat, just a few ideas :p Sorry I know most of those a pretty silly.

[Leo Sonidus]

Poisson Rouge, Dauphin, Venus (female) sign, Napoleonic hat, just a few ideas :p Sorry I know most of those a pretty silly.

LOL ... I like Poisson Rouge and (female) sign

[lefty12357]

Excellent suggestions, CFH ! I like Dauphin, because it comes from Alizée's own heart and her own dreams and is thus independent of her previous mentors. The Poisson Rouge would tie her to the "old days" and not represent her newfound independence.

[fsquared]

Backinblack has posted a rough translation at AF.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=578389#post578389

Ironically, the story that they spin is not so far from my original elaboration of the story of the "person close to Jeremy's sister" from a while back. While I didn't necessarily believe it, I thought it would make a good "E! True Hollywood Story". Presumably 50 Mins Inside, as a tabloid show, is not really so far from that. :D

For some perverse reason, I wonder if just for kicks it would be interesting for the creative among us to spin a fictionalized, soap-opera-esque account of a story based on the most conspiratorial interpretation of the Alizee/Mylene relationship

[Bigdan]

Don't know if it was posted before but this is a quote of Jean Fauque (who work on the lyrics of the new album) :

"I know Mylène by my sister Maripol , who was stylist for her on her videos and also on the Alizee's Olympia.
I really appreciate Mylène and I would't made a" perfidious" song on her and Alizée. If people interpret the song about decline as a song about Mylène, they get the wrong character."

[lefty12357]

I wonder how much interest there is in France right now for Alizée's return.

[Killian]

I wonder how much interest there is in France right now for Alizée's return.

For the regular Joe Bloggs on the street, I doubt there would be very much at all, considering the lack of advertising...

[clique]

I wonder how much interest there is in France right now for Alizée's return.
My guess (based on absolutely nothing) is that right now her return is mostly anticipated by long-time fans. Though once the marketing machine starts, some buzz will hopefully generate among the general population. The thing is, she's been gone for so long now that most people have probably forgotten about her, or just remember her as that girl who sang Moi... Lolita. This is not necessarily a bad thing, since it might be easier to start from scratch that way, and create a new and more personal image.

Sadly, I don't see her album doing as well as Gourmandises and MCE. But that's really not a fair comparison, since those were like once in a lifetime sales.

[Deepwaters]

Sadly, I don't see her album doing as well as Gourmandises and MCE.

Gourmandises would be hard to match, but MCE sold "only" 300,000 copies. Hopefully the new album will do at least that well.

[lefty12357]

You’re probably right, and it’s driving me crazy. I keep thinking of how Alizée must be feeling right now with all the time, energy, heart and soul she has probably poured into this third album which may make or break her career. I just wish we could all send her one big collective hug and promise her it’s going to be alright.

[clique]

Gourmandises would be hard to match, but MCE sold "only" 300,000 copies. Hopefully the new album will do at least that well.
I don't know how much records usually sell in France, but isn't 300.000 (while a small number compared to Gourmandises) quite a lot? I'm not so sure that her new album will outsell it.

Keep in mind that when MCE was released, Alizée was still riding on the Gourmandises wave, a HUGE success, and it still "only" sold 300.000 copies. Now she's returning from a 4 year absence... I'm not so sure, tbh.

Edit: I just checked some other record sales in France, and perhaps 300.000 isn't so much after all. Certainly not unbeatable at least.

[Leo Sonidus]

You’re probably right, and it’s driving me crazy. I keep thinking of how Alizée must be feeling right now with all the time, energy, heart and soul she has probably poured into this third album which may make or break her career. I just wish we could all send her one big collective hug and promise her it’s going to be alright.

Don't forget to remember what has been discussed and the end resolve capped off so eloquently by rev ...




So my suggestion is simply to love her. Whether in our own "judgment" she is failing or suceeding. Just enjoy the ride, loving each perceived success or each perceived failure equally, but above all letting her be her.

If, as fans, we can send her this unconditional loving energy, she will be energized by it. If there was ever any way we could help, then this is it.

[Deepwaters]

Edit: I just checked some other record sales in France, and perhaps 300.000 isn't so much after all. Certainly not unbeatable at least.

A lot hinges on the question of why MCE didn't sell as well as Gourmandises. It wasn't a "failure" by any means, but not the blowout hit that Gourmandises was.

Nobody really knows the answer, but my theory is that both albums were playing on the same Lolita image, which worked much better when she was 16 than it did when she was 18. At 18, she was really a little too old for it, and needing to phase into something more mature. It struck a slightly wrong note.

If I'm right, then the new album, in which she seems to be uncompromisingly grown-up, should do better. We shall see.

[clique]

A lot hinges on the question of why MCE didn't sell as well as Gourmandises. It wasn't a "failure" by any means, but not the blowout hit that Gourmandises was.

Nobody really knows the answer, but my theory is that both albums were playing on the same Lolita image, which worked much better when she was 16 than it did when she was 18. At 18, she was really a little too old for it, and needing to phase into something more mature. It struck a slightly wrong note.

If I'm right, then the new album, in which she seems to be uncompromisingly grown-up, should do better. We shall see.
You're probably right about her being a little old for the lolita image when they did MCE, but my point was that she gained a lot of fans with Gourmandises, and still "only" managed to sell 300.000 copies of MCE. Many of those fans probably aren't fans of her anymore, and thus it might be hard for her to achieve the same sales as she did back then.

One thing's certain: they really have to market the shit out of this album, and they should start doing it within the next couple of weeks.

[Killian]

One thing's certain: they really have to market the shit out of this album, and they should start doing it within the next couple of weeks.

I don't understand this sentiment. A lot of people are taking about how the excitement is at a peak and there needs to be news soon, for the sake of success. But the excitement, is within a fan base found on the forums and other areas of the internet who are looking up Alizée on a regular basis, and to be fair that is a fairly small demographic. In reality when it comes to the sales, whom the generla public and casual fans will make uo the bulk, it doesn't rwally matter how long it is delayed, as they are not in the same position of waiting, and hearing leaks and getting information that we are.

[clique]

I don't understand this sentiment. A lot of people are taking about how the excitement is at a peak and there needs to be news soon, for the sake of success. But the excitement, is within a fan base found on the forums and other areas of the internet who are looking up Alizée on a regular basis, and to be fair that is a fairly small demographic. In reality when it comes to the sales, whom the generla public and casual fans will make uo the bulk, it doesn't rwally matter how long it is delayed, as they are not in the same position of waiting, and hearing leaks and getting information that we are.
Huh? I'm not sure you understood me. They have to market the album or otherwise the general public won't know of its release. And since the album is rumored to be release relatively soon, they should really start building up hype for it. But I'm sure they will, eventually.

[Deepwaters]

Actually, my belief is that they have already started building up publicity. All of this stuff coming out, even if it is tabloid crap, is drawing general-public notice. Nothing like a good scandal. :)

[Killian]

Huh? I'm not sure you understood me. They have to market the album or otherwise the general public won't know of its release. And since the album is rumored to be release relatively soon, they should really start building up hype for it. But I'm sure they will, eventually.

Sory, I thought you were repeating the comments of others that the album needs to be released while internet hype is at a peak. I seem to be off the ball as of late, it going back to school has thrown me off :p

[fsquared]

Well, there are two separate things.

1. They need to market the album before they put it on shelves (whenever that may be).

2. They need to do both things right now.

Killian was emphasizing 1. Clique is assuming that they are going to release it soon, thus 2. I would go further and say that given Julien's success, they also do indeed need to release the album soon to capitalize on her newfound visibility.

EDIT: I agree with Deepwaters. This is publicity. Lies or not, it's ink on the page. :p

RE-EDIT: look at the real estate on nrj.fr. Julien has been hanging out on the front page for weeks with his Moi...Lolita video link. That's where she needs to be too, shortly, in order to get the kind of exposure necessary for this launch....

[lefty12357]

As much as I love a lot of MF/LB’s work, I think their style was not in sync with an 18 year old. It worked when she was 16. I’m not so sure many of her MCE songs appealed to most mainstream 18 year olds at that time. She was probably ready back then to make the move she is making now to be more “current” with her age group.

Personally, I like the MCE songs, and apparently so did 300,000 other people. With the right marketing, I think she has the ability to do better this time.

Edit: Killian, you might be thinking of something I posted earlier on the same lines. I should clarify. In my mind the internet hype has been going on for a while now. But I see it starting to leak into the mainstream media like TF1. As momentum builds into the mainstream, I would like to see Team Alizée get on the wave and ride it.

[clique]

As much as I love a lot of MF/LB’s work, I think their style was not in sync with an 18 year old. It worked when she was 16. I’m not so sure many of her MCE songs appealed to most mainstream 18 year olds at that time. She was probably ready back then to make the move she is making now to be more “current” with her age group.

Personally, I like the MCE songs, and apparently so did 300,000 other people. With the right marketing, I think she has the ability to do better this time.
A better conclusion would be to say that 300.000 other people liked the Gourmandises songs :p

[neoific]

One thing's certain: they really have to market the shit out of this album, and they should start doing it within the next couple of weeks.

Who says that they haven't already started? ;)

[Leo Sonidus]

As much as I love a lot of MF/LB’s work, I think their style was not in sync with an 18 year old. It worked when she was 16. I’m not so sure many of her MCE songs appealed to most mainstream 18 year olds at that time. She was probably ready back then to make the move she is making now to be more “current” with her age group.



I think you hit on it. They tried to extend the lolita formula a little too long and did not build on momentum. While I consider her music unique and interesting, I think she needed more punch as a follow-up.

Someone mentioned that they hoped her new album has more songs that make you want to dance to them. Moi Lolita is my fav song because it pumped out the energy and really helped to springboard her career. It was a fresh hook back then and still has energy.

Edit: I still like her music for what it is. And I still believe her fanbase will be her saving grace. Though some have moved on, thanks to Youtube and the like, she has gained countless new ones. On the second hand, with internet piracy maybe bigger than ever, non loyals will simply rob her of a percentage of her due. If she got the full rights to her name back, at least she can make up for that in other markets. The proof will be in the pudding.

PS .. is the 300,000-400,000 copies sold the original count after the initial album cycle ... or total count sold to date? I would find it very surprising if that is her world sales to date of the 2nd release.

[neoific]

I think you hit on it. They tried to extend the lolita formula a little too long and did not build on momentum. While I consider her music unique and interesting, I think she needed more punch as a follow-up,

Someone mentioned that they hoped her new album has more songs that make you want to dance to them. Moi Lolita is my fav song because it pumped out the energy and really helped to springboard her career. It was a fresh hook back then and still has energy,
but Im too fat to dance.

[Leo Sonidus]

but Im too fat to dance.

LOL....just imagine yourself doing the horizonal mambo with (insert fav girl here) and you'll be rocking the house ... hehehehe!!

[Sauron]

but Im too fat to dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqh9N-Mw5E

[theit77]

Totally...

It's ridiculous what media is willing to do just to get few more listeners...

Unless, although the chance might be slim, Alizée gave permission for them to use the pictures.

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

PS .. is the 300,000-400,000 copies sold the original count after the initial album cycle ... or total count sold to date? I would find it very surprising if that is her world sales to date of the 2nd release.

No, 300k to 400k in France, and right now her sales with MCE around the world go from 4 million to 5 million.

PS. they were showing naked girls like 20 minutes ago, is that kinda normal in France?

[Leo Sonidus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqh9N-Mw5E

LOL ... Don't know what to say about that one. Pretty darn cool though. The bass and drums were kicking !! You can spin a vicious guitar to that too !!

[Cooney]

Finally got a chance to watch/listen to the broadcast.

Really nothing in there that wasn't already known, or couldn't have been assumed with a simple knowledge of business and the music industry. Sounds like they based a lot of their reporting off what they found on the fan sites :-P

Still, you know what they say about publicity! Hurray for it, even if in this case it was desperately trying to be scandalous.

[Deepwaters]

Hey, certain kinds of scandal are a good thing -- the kind that can't be proven, and that don't reflect badly on her character. A rumor of nastiness between her and Mylène, attracting a lot of attention, and then shown to be nonsense, is perfect!

[Un-rêve]

You’re probably right, and it’s driving me crazy. I keep thinking of how Alizée must be feeling right now with all the time, energy, heart and soul she has probably poured into this third album which may make or break her career. I just wish we could all send her one big collective hug and promise her it’s going to be alright.


I'll second that and maybe a collective fan video titled
We love you Alizée

[Leo Sonidus]

No, 300k to 400k in France, and right now her sales with MCE around the world go from 4 million to 5 million.

PS. they were showing naked girls like 20 minutes ago, is that kinda normal in France?

It can be ... and in Europe in general. They are not as uptight about nudity in Europe as in the US. Some of their TV commercials even have nudity. That should give you an idea of the differences.

Originally Posted by Zack -Alizee Lover-
No, 300k to 400k in France, and right now her sales with MCE around the world go from 4 million to 5 million

PS ... What is the total copies sold to date in France for the 2nd album?

[heyamigo]

Who says that they haven't already started? ;)

haven't you heard? amina is the marketing director. :p

[Leo Sonidus]

haven't you heard? amina is the marketing director. :p

Hehehehehe ... I think you are working with her as well Heyamigo !?!

[JCC]

Any translations for this show? There are probably some already out there, but too lazy to look....;)

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[JCC]

Posted in AFC. Translation by BackInBlack

Revised final version in both languages follows. If you spot any errors, let me know. As for 'cinq millions' versus 'cent millions', I can definitely say it's 'cinq'. Cinq in front of a consonant drops the 'q' in spoken French and therefore can sound similar to 'cent'.

English:

Nikos Aliagas: For several weeks, the celeb press has been announcing the imminent showdown between Alizée and her former producer and mentor, Mylène Farmer.

Sandrine Quétier: Six years after the huge success of "Lolita," Alizée is getting ready to release a new album this fall, a big event, for her big return.

Nikos: What should we make of these rumors of a falling-out between the two singers?

Sandrine: And Why did Alizée and Mylène Farmer end such a fruitful collaboration?

Nikos: A report by Thomas Chagnot and Stephanie Marthaud.

Patrick Bruel: The people have voted, it's not your fault...Alizée!

Narrator: January 20, 2001, was a day of triumph for the young singer Alizée. Just 16 years old, she had just been crowned the Revelation of the Year at the NRJ Music Awards.

Alizée: I'm living a fairy tale. I thank you very much.

Narrator: A catchy melody, adult lyrics coming from a child's mouth, tempting outfits, and coded eroticism in the album shot the young schoolgirl to the top of the charts, resulting in the single Moi... Lolita selling more than a million copies, a phenomenal success.

Bertrand Dicale: Alizée's first album was obviously a success, a shock, a surprise. A moment for an entire generation.

N: A real fairy tale for Alizée, a waking dream that she owed to her two mentors who made a star out of her.

Alizée: I'd like to thank my mentors and my queen Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat.

N: Now, however, they're at war. The rumor has been circling for several days that Alizée is getting ready to release a song whose lyrics sound like a settling of scores with her ex-mentor Mylène Farmer--a perfect model of someone who knows how violent the music world is.

Mylène: I think to be in this profession you have to have guts, because there are mortal enemies out there.

N: Now, according to the celeb press, the breakup between the two seems to be true.

Benoit Sabatier: It was no longer possible for her to play the little lolita, in skimpy underwear.

Benjamin Locoge: It was an image that really didn't fit her anymore.

Antoine Bioy: The end was really there. She's now at a turning point in her career.

Benoit Sabatier: For her third album, it seems obvious Alizée wants to really turn the Mylène Farmer page for good.

Benjamin Locoge: If the album succeeds, she'll be relaunched; if the album fails, she's finished.

N: What really is Mylène Farmer's relationship with her ex-protégée Alizée? Will the young singer be able to release her next album without her ex-mentor's touch? A look into the return of the one that everyone knows by the name "Lolita."
September 2007: For several weeks the rumor has been circulating: Alizée is secretly preparing her return, a comeback shrouded in mystery and breezes, and there's talk of a segment from the leading song on her new album that, according to rumors, seems to be aimed directly at Mylène, through lyrics that are ambiguous to say the least.

Benoit Sabatier: There seem to be allusions in this song called "L'Idéalizée" to the fact that Mylène is past her prime, that she's a perverted figure.

N: Lyrics that are vague enough to let loose all kinds of interpretations. A source close to her record company confirms the existence of this song's sulfurous message. He sent to us what apparently are the lyrics of the first few couplets.

Bertrand Dicale: It describes the "doll" who tore herself from clutches of her masters. At the same time, it's a song, and songs are never done with lukewarm feelings and balanced ideas.

N: Why would Alizée go up against the person who gave her everything? To understand this, we must go back to the beginning of a relationship that began in 1999.

Laurent Boyer: Her name is Alizée.

Antoine Bioy: Mylène Farmer had discovered Alizée while watching "Graines de Star."

Benjamin Locoge: Farmer noticed her, they already had the song Moi... Lolita, so they got into contact with her to have her record it.

Benoit Sabatier: Mylène thought, "Hey, I'll take this lively little girl, I'll make her my thing, my creature, I'll write songs for her, she'll be my 'mini-me'."

N: In just three months Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat modeled the young woman in order to make a clever marketing product out of her. Upon its release in July 2000, Moi... Lolita became the hymn of a generation. The album Gourmandises soon followed, and it was another success.

Bertrand Dicale: Alizée was living a kind of dream. Almost all the girls, in almost all classes in all the French schools heard about Alizée, liked Alizée, sang Alizée, danced Alizée, dressed like Alizée.

Antoine Bioy: Alizée played the Lolita character very well.

Antoine Bioy: She of course slipped into the lolita's clothes happily and with huge success at the same time.

N: Only, the success had a price.

Benoit Sabatier: It was really Mylène Farmer who did everything. Alizée came on to sing, and then she was there for the music videos, the image.

Benjamin Locoge: They rarely talked to each other. When they talked, it was at the end of rehearsal--she'd see her in her dressing room for two minutes, then she'd leave. Farmer had her own separate room; she had the main dressing room even though it wasn't her show.

N: For three years Alizée had to obey the rules set down by Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat, and it was like the young singer was in school: evaluated, graded, disciplined.

Antoine Bioy: In one corner you could see Mylène Farmer and her staff taking notes during all the concerts.

Alizée: She said that there were still things to work on, because you don't get to that level without hard work, so...but it was still a good début.

N: Alizée was almost 20 when she did her first Olympia show in 2003. At 400,000 copies sold, her second album was a success, even though it sold twice as few copies as the first one. The teenager grew up and felt suffocated in her role as Lolita.

Bertrand Dicale: She no longer had that rocketing, shooting stardom that she had two years earlier, and that's maybe the moment where something stopped working.

Benjamin Locoge: Alizée had stage costumes that were quite short, she didn't feel comfortable wearing them, she didn't like them anymore, it was an image that really didn't fit her anymore.

N: Alizée only had one solution: free herself from the bonds of her old mentor. But freedom has a price. In 2000, when Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat launched their protégée, they took the legal precaution of officially copyrighting the Alizée name. As a result, everything that the young girl sold fell into Farmer's and Boutonnat's pockets. The year of the release of Lolita, they reportedly took in 5 million euros. So if she wanted to get her freedom back, and especially the chance to earn her own money, she only had one solution: get her name back.

Jean-Marie Moiroux: Alizée bought her trademark (logo, brand, etc) back by paying a financial consideration.

N: According to our sources, Alizée succeeded in getting her name back, but right now it's impossible to find out the exact amount of the transaction. Finally free, Alizée can now release an album that's more her style, and to ensure its success, she's relying on the techniques of her teacher Mylène Farmer; rule number one: controversy.

Benjamin Locoge: With a strong song, a controversial song, that'll reinstall her directly into the spotlight. Of course, it's a way of making people talk about her, it's a marketing strategy, you can tell she learned something from her adventure with Farmer.

N: Rumors of dispute with Mylène Farmer, a song announced as a settling of scores; in closing, Alizée is surfing the waves, and she hasn't chosen the album release date randomly. It should be available just weeks after the "trash" remake of her lolita hit by the Nouvelle Star Julien Doré. Expected to hit the shelves in November 2007, it remains to be seen if Alizée will be able to make people forget Lolita.

[Bigdan]

Amazing translation, JCC :blink:

[MesGourmandises]

In november!?? NOOO I thought octoberrrr!!!!
But then it says weeks after the Moi lolita remake, and that already debuted... help?

I want another leaked song! lol

[Tye]

After reading that, if it is true that Mylene did all that bad stuff to Lili, I really hate Mylene. She went to Lili and promised her some things, and then when everything got going she started treating Lili like she was nothing more than a voice. I don't like the way they made her wear outfits she was uncomfortable with. I know Lili likes skirts, but I bet she got sick of wearing those super short skirts everytime she had to perform. I, also, can't stand how Mylene copyrighted Lili's name, and made her pay to use it. It is sick how she had to pay money to be able to release another album under her own name. It is a good thing I can't get near Mylene right now, because I would have few choice words for her.:mad:

If this is all false, then I don't have a problem with Mylene.

Lili, I am so glad that you are on your own, and able to do your own thing. I have listened to Fifty//Sixty and Mlle Julliete and they are absolutly wonderful. I am sure the rest of your new songs are just as wonderful too. Me and the rest of your fans are behind you 100%.:)

[brad]

there is going to be a lot of this, it almost doesn't matter if it is true or not. stuff like this sells magazines, the media will make this THE story no matter how much truth is involved.

[Fish]

Indeed, we might not get the true story for some time. I doubt Lili would rip Mylene herself, even if it were true- its a no-win situation. I hope that all this didn't happen, but I can see where it may have: The limited interviews all seemed fairly 'choreographed' for lack of a better word, and for her performances up until the live concerts she was nothing more than a performer.

[heyamigo]

yea this looks like mostly tabloid bs...

i wonder if mylene is hiring bodyguards because there might be some unhappy alizee fans in france now...

[Leo Sonidus]

The limited interviews all seemed fairly 'choreographed' for lack of a better word, and for her performances up until the live concerts she was nothing more than a performer.


In the long run, that may be what she is (a performer?). The better you are as a performer, the longer you may be able to stay afloat, in spite of anything else. Stage presence is surely a big part it as well. That stage presence either serves as compensation for lesser musical or vocal skills (many performers fall under that umbrella) or it complements things overall for those with better skills.

The question is, will stage presence be a compensation for an Alizee vocal performance or a complement? But, lacking or having less than great primary talents ... a strong and exploited stage presence can make all the difference.

So then ... Alizee of the future ... great stage performer or great singer/performer, or neither??? It is not a question of which you prefer, but which one will manifest itself as it's own reality (ie ... ticket and CD sales), that will be the bottom line.

[Deus_Ex]

In the long run, that may be what she is (a performer?). The better you are as a performer, the longer you may be able to stay afloat, in spite of anything else. Stage presence is surely a big part it as well. That stage presence either serves as compensation for lesser musical or vocal skills (many performers fall under that umbrella) or it complements things overall.
The question is, will stage presence be a compensation for an Alizee vocal performance or a complement?

But, lacking or having less than great primary talents ... a strong and exploited stage presence can make all the difference. So then ... Alizee of the future ... great stage performer or great singer/talent, or neither??? It is not a question of which you prefer, but which one will manifest itself as the reality (ie ... ticket and CD sales).

hopefully both.

[Deepwaters]

In this case, her stage presence isn't compensating for lack of talent at all. Alizée has one of the most captivating voices I've heard. Not necessarily "the best" in terms of range, power, or clarity (you find that among trained opera singers), although all of those are good, but her voice has a personality to it that's very distinctive without sounding distorted.

There has been a drop in singing quality in the past when she was singing live, not consistently but often. But I think I know where that's coming from. It's her stage fright! Performing live, her stomach goes into knots and it affects her breathing! You can hear the result on the concert DVD, but not always. Some songs it shows up, while others she seemed to get into the singing and not worry so much and she sounded great.

Now here's the big question. Being older, stronger, more mature, has she overcome some of the stage fright?

[Ben]

^ That could be true, though impossible to know for sure. What's easier to see, I think, is that she just gets out of breath during some of the more dance intensive numbers like JPVA.

[Leo Sonidus]

Deus-Ex & Deepwaters...

I'm pulling for her, energy wise, to gather all she's got to make it work. And there is more inside the statement than it reads.

And Snatcher...

That's why I think her performance needs to have a theatrical bent. It allows gaps to rest and recoup.

[Deepwaters]

^ That could be true, though impossible to know for sure. What's easier to see, I think, is that she just gets out of breath during some of the more dance intensive numbers like JPVA.

I can hear it quite strongly on L'Alizé. There's a kind of catch in her voice, not like being out of breath, just pushing it a little off-key into a higher register. She wasn't dancing much on L'Alizé, but it was the first song, and the nervousness would have been strongest. OTOH, when she sings Parler tout bas, Mon Maquis, C'est trop tard, L'email a des ailes, Youpidou, Tempête, she sounds fine.

When she sings Moi . . . Lolita and A contre-courant, I agree she sounds out of breath and it's from the dancing.

[heyamigo]

^ That could be true, though impossible to know for sure. What's easier to see, I think, is that she just gets out of breath during some of the more dance intensive numbers like JPVA.

yeah let's see how you do...i heard they're gonna make you wear the JPVA dress if there is a song called lille town on the album.

[Ben]

yeah let's see how you do...i heard they're gonna make you wear the JPVA dress if there is a song called lille town on the album.
Hey I said I'd do something really silly, not that you guys get to choose it! Though... if you want to buy one of those mad expensive JPVA dresses... it will be a nice addition to the collection. :p

[Deus_Ex]

Hey I said I'd do something really silly, not that you guys get to choose it! Though... if you want to buy one of those mad expensive JPVA dresses... it will be a nice addition to the collection. :p

i really like that c'est trop tarde yellow raincoat outfit. lol, if i had a girlfriend, then i'd make her wear that (but i guess that's the reason why i don't have one).

[Andres87]

when Alizee will be back, she will tell us something. It will an interview and she will be asked about Mylene, and I think Alizee will say something but she will do it in a professional way, just a few words, but we will understand.

[Deus_Ex]

when Alizee will be back, she will tell us something. It will an interview and she will be asked about Mylene, and I think Alizee will say something but she will do it in a professional way, just a few words, but we will understand.

are you sure it's a problem with mylene as opposed to the record companies?

i'm asking this because i find it hard to believe that MF (after all those years of professional music making with record companies) would collaborate with alizee without some sort of exit strategy. at least MF's and alizee's legal and/or financial advisor would have said something.

not having an exit strategy=biggest business mistake

[Andres87]

Not sure if its a problem, but I'm sure that Mylene has something do to with this long break of alizee's career. In some way, I think mylene delayed her comeback...

[Fish]

Part of it may have been her old record label, I believe. Her contract with Polydor only recently expired. I wouldn't think Mylene would be so malicious as to try to keep her from singing, even if any of this is true.

And, of course, we keep hearing from JF and others that worked on this album that there isn't a song about an issue between the two. Somehow I think the entire Lili/MF seperation is being blown out of proportion.

[Deus_Ex]

Not sure if its a problem, but I'm sure that Mylene has something do to with this long break of alizee's career. In some way, I think mylene delayed her comeback...

the first time i heard MF's song Comme J'ai Mal, it had alizee as the artist title on my ipod and i really thought it was alizee singing it. and i thought that after 8 months of listening to almost all of alizee's songs. i thought it was her singing because i never bothered to check her discography until recently.

so based on what i said, i think that alizee's singing had a lot of mylene farmer influence.

but, to Andres87, mylene is more about making music as opposed to catfighting or making money. she's also more likely to take her leaving quietly and write a deep and dark song about it. she released a couple of albums after alizee's last album.

wait a sec. could MF's song Peut-etre toi be about the break up?

[Leo Sonidus]

In this case, her stage presence isn't compensating for lack of talent at all. Alizée has one of the most captivating voices I've heard. Not necessarily "the best" in terms of range, power, or clarity (you find that among trained opera singers), although all of those are good, but her voice has a personality to it that's very distinctive without sounding distorted.

There has been a drop in singing quality in the past when she was singing live, not consistently but often. But I think I know where that's coming from. It's her stage fright! Performing live, her stomach goes into knots and it affects her breathing! You can hear the result on the concert DVD, but not always. Some songs it shows up, while others she seemed to get into the singing and not worry so much and she sounded great.

Now here's the big question. Being older, stronger, more mature, has she overcome some of the stage fright?


I like her studio and stage work myself. I love her live concert Moi Lolita. But, I was stressing that a strong stage presence performance can keep things more focussed on our Princess than any quirks that might pop up ... like the jitters you noticed (Any performer).

I'd like to hear stuff like, "Really ?? ... I was so into her, I never saw her sneezing !!".

Who knows ... after she is done with this, she might become an actress, or do both. I wouldn't mind seeing that. I just want to see her happy, and I want to hear and see her as she is being happy. Hmmmm ... I guess that's a good part of what a fan is.

[Andres87]

I don't know. I wish I know, why Mylene didn't say anything, I'm sure she knows what is speculating in the media about her and alizee. And I didn't see a interview were mylene say: Its true, or it's nor true, and alizee and me are still friends. mylene is doing what alizee is doing, keep it all secret.....what makes me think that something did hapend.

[Ben]

And I didn't see a interview were mylene say: Its true, or it's nor true
You don't see a Mylene interview period. Seriously, she's given one in like the last 10 years.

[Andres87]

lol, Why is that? I didn't know that. I think she doesn't like the media to much

[heyamigo]

she won't say, interview or no interview...

instead she'll write a vague crazy song to get it out of her system. it might even bring her to tears if she sings it live, but nobody will ever know why.
of course nobody will ever know for sure which song that will be, if it happens.

[Roman]

It's not an issue of whether Mylene (or we should say, Requiem Publishing) copyrighted the name - in fact that would be for Alizée's own good while working with them, and quite a negligence if they didn't. It's whether Mylene held those rights hostage, so to speak, when Alizée wanted to go her own way. This report instigates she did, but I don't completely trust that.
At first, it does seem pretty messed up that she can't just use her own name. It's not just some name, like Kraft, that she also happens to have. It specifically refers to the person Alizée who is trying to use her own name. I understand, though. What if the record company (or whoever) bought the rights to the name and promoted the heck out of it spending millions, then the person (in this case Alizée) desides to run off and make deals with others. Their investment has not been protected. It may be ethical to make the new record company buy it, but then it depends on the circumstances, how much she/RCA(?) had to pay, etc. whether or not I think it was dirty dealing. It does sound a bit fishy to me though. Again, I'd like to know what really happened. Why did she break off her relationship with MF & LB? How exactly did that stuff transpire? Someday...
A lot hinges on the question of why MCE didn't sell as well as Gourmandises. It wasn't a "failure" by any means, but not the blowout hit that Gourmandises was.

Nobody really knows the answer, but my theory is that both albums were playing on the same Lolita image, which worked much better when she was 16 than it did when she was 18. At 18, she was really a little too old for it, and needing to phase into something more mature. It struck a slightly wrong note.

If I'm right, then the new album, in which she seems to be uncompromisingly grown-up, should do better. We shall see.
I personally disagree, though I think I do have some understanding of the incredible reaction to the Gourmandises "Lolita" which may have just worn off by then. I wonder if also it was just a bad year for it with other things happening in the world, and maybe a lucky good year for it in 2000/2001. I guess she's learned how fickle and flighty the entertainment world can be.

I do think the marketing should have started already.:( As for Killian's comment... Maybe you're right, but I wonder in today's world how much the fans actually drive popularity, though. If no one had posted a thousand YouTube videos of Alizée a year ago or when ever, I'd still probably know nothing about her.
...I just wish we could all send her one big collective hug and promise her it’s going to be alright.
Me too *wipes away a tear* :( :blink: :wub:
i really like that c'est trop tarde yellow raincoat outfit. lol, if i had a girlfriend, then i'd make her wear that (but i guess that's the reason why i don't have one).
:D Cracking me up...see that's why I love you guys.
...
Edit: Can you imagine Alizée using a symbol and being known as 'the artist formerly known as Alizée"? I wonder what symbol she would have picked?:D
tinkerbell with dark hair?

[Andres87]

Hope Alizee won't do that. Thats not music. And I think she wont. Maybe you just think wrong, and there isn't any song with double minings.

[Gatchaman]

Thanks JCC!

[Ben]

I think she doesn't like the media to much
Yeah, she says she hates it, and also wants to preserve some mystery.

[Andres87]

Yeah, she says she hates it, and also wants to preserve some mystery.

Now I understand. I think Alizee learned something from Mylene. Mystery is good in some way in music business.

[fsquared]

she won't say, interview or no interview...

instead she'll write a vague crazy song to get it out of her system. it might even bring her to tears if she sings it live, but nobody will ever know why.
of course nobody will ever know for sure which song that will be, if it happens.

Reminds me of a recent Kelly Clarkson interview where she talked about how the songs are very personal for her and she relives them every time she sings them and has been known to burst into tears on stage.

[Drake498]

even tho the controversy sucks, cuz they are both great performers, i'm not letting it get me down, cant wait for the album :D

[espire]

So France has now been reminded of Alizée's existence, which is the first form of marketing, paid or not, that we've seen for Alizée since 2005 when her website went down. Perhaps we'll get some official marketing soon?

[Un-rêve]

Not sure if its a problem, but I'm sure that Mylene has something do to with this long break of alizee's career. In some way, I think mylene delayed her comeback...
Maybe so. You've got to remember Alizée also had to be there for her baby Annily. Maybe she also just wanted to do the things she missed out on whilst growing up as well as having time to take everything in that she had experienced in her wonderful but fast pace carreer. I feel she needed time to grow and mature not that she wasn't mature already, well you know what I mean.:p

Hope Alizee won't do that. Thats not music. And I think she wont. Maybe you just think wrong, and there isn't any song with double minings.
I believe we have all been a bit brainwashed/programmed regarding the double meanings as they were a fundemental part when Alizée was collaborating with MF.:)

[Deepwaters]

I feel she needed time to grow and mature not that she wasn't mature already, well you know what I mean.:p

NOBODY is mature at 18. FEW are mature at 23. (But I think she might be.)

SOME are still immature at 70. :p

If I were in her position, I might feel as if I had been taken over by a force of nature and propelled into stardom before I was ready. Perhaps she felt the same, and wanted to grow up before doing it again and doing it right this time, with her first career providing a nice springboard.

[C-4]

When dealing with celebrity, any media coverage is good media coverage.
I am definitely on Alizée's side, and I believe that Requiem Publishing would take Alizée's name as their own to make as much money as they could.

I believe that Mylene would try to do something to keep Alizée under her control, as she has shown to be this way in the past. If Mylene is not making as much money now as she once did, she might decide to either make money from others as she can or sabbotage others careers just for spite.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but now is when the tension brings about the talk amongst the people who follow the tabloids to get the momentum started for Alizée's release date.

Most of the time this stuff is planned out in advance to get the most media coverage possible from a release. Usually, it comes free and the mentioning of both Mylene's name and Alizée's keeps both singers in the minds and on the lips of the public as this takes place.

[Tye]

One reason why Mylene might have tried to postpone and maybe even stop Lili from continuing her singing, is that she got Lili where she was and she knew the potential Lili had. I am sure Mylene was a little afraid that Lili might get big again on her own , and maybe take some of Mylene's fans and possibly get bigger than her. Mylene probably saw Lili as a potential threat, and rightly so.

If Lili's new album does good enough she will contiue her singing and she is only going to get better at this point. I would love to see Lili become better than Mylene. To me she already is better than Mylene, but I know that this viewpoint is not based on fact but oppinion. I know some may think that Lili will not become bigger than Mylene, but I have confidence that Lili is going to continue to get better and better. This is why I want her new album to do good, because she has so much potential, and I don't it to go to waist do to one album not saleing well. I don't want Lili's dream and singing career to end this soon.

[Edcognito]

In this case, her stage presence isn't compensating for lack of talent at all. Alizée has one of the most captivating voices I've heard. Not necessarily "the best" in terms of range, power, or clarity (you find that among trained opera singers), although all of those are good, but her voice has a personality to it that's very distinctive without sounding distorted.

There has been a drop in singing quality in the past when she was singing live, not consistently but often. But I think I know where that's coming from. It's her stage fright! Performing live, her stomach goes into knots and it affects her breathing! You can hear the result on the concert DVD, but not always. Some songs it shows up, while others she seemed to get into the singing and not worry so much and she sounded great.

Now here's the big question. Being older, stronger, more mature, has she overcome some of the stage fright?


There could be another explanation for the changes in her voice.

I went to see Def Leppard in concert 6 times over the years. Twice when I went to see them, you could tell that Joe Elliot's voice was "tired" or "strained". He still sounded like himself, but not as good as other times i had heard him. Thats why when I first heard her "Live" CD, it wasn't such a shock to me.

As for the tabloid show that was recently on. This is publicity for Alizée. Nothing more, and it should SURELY not be taken as any kind of "informative" description of reality. EVERYTHING in that article that referenced the relationship between Alizée and Mylene seemed (to me at least) speculative. There was only one reference given (someone who leaked the contents of a song, and said it was about Mylene/Alizée) - everything else (imho) was just that - opinion.

Team Alizée and Sony/BMG even stated, catagoricaly - that there is no fight between Alizée and Mylene.

I think we should not spend any more thought on it, and just support Lili!


Ed:cool:

[Fish]

Team Alizée and Sony/BMG even stated, catagoricaly - that there is no fight between Alizée and Mylene.

Best part about that is she may use some of her old songs and have concerts sooner rather than later!

[fsquared]

As for the tabloid show that was recently on. This is publicity for Alizée. Nothing more, and it should SURELY not be taken as any kind of "informative" description of reality. EVERYTHING in that article that referenced the relationship between Alizée and Mylene seemed (to me at least) speculative. There was only one reference given (someone who leaked the contents of a song, and said it was about Mylene/Alizée) - everything else (imho) was just that - opinion.

Team Alizée and Sony/BMG even stated, catagoricaly - that there is no fight between Alizée and Mylene.



Ed:cool:

Of course, if there were a fight, do you think anyone would admit it officially? It's not like we're dealing with East Coast/West Coast rappers here.... :)

[Tye]

Of course, if there were a fight, do you think anyone would admit it officially? It's not like we're dealing with East Coast/West Coast rappers here.... :)

Let's all just listen to what Lili and her team are telling us, and that is that there is no fight.

If there is a fight, and they are not telling us then it isn't any of our business or she would let us know.

[Roman]

NOBODY is mature at 18. FEW are mature at 23. (But I think she might be.)

SOME are still immature at 70. :p

If I were in her position, I might feel as if I had been taken over by a force of nature and propelled into stardom before I was ready. Perhaps she felt the same, and wanted to grow up before doing it again and doing it right this time, with her first career providing a nice springboard.
I think this whole maturity/growing up thing is overrated. It's all so relative. There's just a life to lead and we learn as we go. There are times when I was young that I had fun doing things, just messing around. Now I feel like I wish I had done other things that would have had some residual positive effect for me now. Of course that's what I think now because I exist now. It's not really fair to my earlier self and pointless for my current self, except that I've learned that it's good to do things that will have a residual positive effect on the future. But even then... What's surfing this web site going to ever do for me in the future? Well, I'll have some happy memories, but if it's not something I'm doing or interested in in the future, I may wish I had done something else. Still, it seems worth while now. Sometimes on a daily or weekly basis I feel myself learning things that make me feel more mature.
So, while watching interviews, etc. of Alizée I couldn't judge very well because I didn't know French language or French culture, but watching her mannerisms and seeing the translations, to me she seemed to answer well and come across as intelligent and mature enough. So there!

[rcs]

Man, I just noticed they got some interesting programming on tf1:blink: