*Ahem* WOOT! [Archive] - Alizée America Forum

Un-rêve

10-15-2007, 02:12 PM

Good stuff, respect to you Cooney.
I myself want to save my pennies so I can buy a few extra copies of Alizée's album. I need one to listen to and a couple for safe keeping.:D
I should own these promo's oneday but the album is my priority at the moment.
I do think that people selling these promo's on Ebay are probably asking too much for them at the moment because of all the hype surrounding Alizée's comeback. I might be wrong because in time they might be even more exspensive and hard to come by though. :p

Edcognito

10-15-2007, 02:45 PM

All right, I might be a complete fool, but are they song disks or what?

Pardon me for just not knowing.....

Ed:cool:

Killian

10-15-2007, 02:46 PM

All right, I might be a complete fool, but are they song disks or what?

Pardon me for just not knowing.....

Ed:cool:

I think they contain promotional discs, that hold Mademoiselle Juliette, and also that little flyer that RAM posted. Both the case and the cd itself, are nondescript if colourful objects, and don't hint towards what they contain.

Tye

10-15-2007, 03:03 PM

Nice, Cooney.:)

Edcognito

10-15-2007, 03:21 PM

I think they contain promotional discs, that hold Mademoiselle Juliette, and also that little flyer that RAM posted. Both the case and the cd itself, are nondescript if colourful objects, and don't hint towards what they contain.

ok, now i'm completly jealous! FIVE promotional disks - dam, you must know someone! :)

Ed:cool:

Chommpers

10-15-2007, 03:54 PM

That is very cool, I am jealous. You should send them to me because I am your best friend you know. :p

Toc De Mac

10-15-2007, 04:00 PM

So, do they all contain singles of Mademoiselle Juliette with differing cover arts? I'm thoroughly confused. :confused:

Ben

10-15-2007, 04:05 PM

Nice, but couldn't you have bought a ticket to France with what they cost? :blink:

neoteny

10-15-2007, 05:53 PM

Alizee is back!!!!!

Edcognito

10-15-2007, 05:59 PM

Alizee is back!!!!!

ummmmmmmmmmmm, Yeah? :D

Ed:cool:

RadioactiveMan

10-15-2007, 06:10 PM

So, do they all contain singles of Mademoiselle Juliette with differing cover arts? I'm thoroughly confused. :confused:

Yes. They're simply in different packaging and distributed individually.

RMJ

10-15-2007, 06:28 PM

Some of my are still on the way... Should get this week.

First one I got week ago.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=20446

Rocket

10-15-2007, 07:39 PM

I know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this but.....so what?

Solaris

10-15-2007, 07:59 PM

So they all have the same single? If so one should be fine no? maybe two..maybe Then again its your money so i guess you should be allowed to splurge on yourself.
PS We all envy you.

RadioactiveMan

10-15-2007, 08:14 PM

Following that logic, it would be okay to have a single pokemon. :blink:

Solaris

10-15-2007, 08:16 PM

Not all pokemon are the same. You got electric rat, the electric ball, the electric BALLS, the electric ball with screws....never mind your right.

RadioactiveMan

10-15-2007, 08:25 PM

The only difference between Pokemon and collecting MJ promos is that with MJ promos you can burn 100 of your own CDs with MJ on them and wrap them yourself in whatever tissue paper your heart desires. ;)

Zack -Alizee Lover-

10-15-2007, 09:29 PM

I could buy many books with that money to learn more....

Rocket

10-15-2007, 09:39 PM

PS We all envy you.

speak for yourself

Toc De Mac

10-15-2007, 09:53 PM

Yes. They're simply in different packaging and distributed individually.

Ah, okay. Thanks, RAM.

Also, RMJ, did you say that there was some writing on your promo?

espire

10-15-2007, 10:21 PM

The only difference between Pokemon and collecting MJ promos is that with MJ promos you can burn 100 of your own CDs with MJ

Excuse me, but my Charmander can burn whatever I want.

RadioactiveMan

10-15-2007, 10:21 PM

It couldn't burn a Charizard or that middle one!

Solaris

10-15-2007, 10:57 PM

It thinks it char+chameleon soooooo.... Charmeleon well that doesnt sound right.....

PS I think we just Hijacked a thread:eek:

Cooney

10-15-2007, 10:58 PM

Does it really feel worth it when they look like random pieces of cardboard? I mean they don't even look lili related :p

Nah, that's cool man. You should unfurl one of the banners so as to have it in front of them to accentuate your display;)

Yup! Totally worth it.

All right, I might be a complete fool, but are they song disks or what?

Pardon me for just not knowing.....

Ed:cool:

They're monotitre promos. Each disc matches the color of the packaging, and contains a single track - Mademoiselle Juliette. All are the same except for the color.

So, do they all contain singles of Mademoiselle Juliette with differing cover arts? I'm thoroughly confused. :confused:

If you call color cover-art. The color is diff, the rest is the same.

Nice, but couldn't you have bought a ticket to France with what they cost? :blink:

Nope. This was between a quarter and a third of a France trip for me.

I know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this but.....so what?

So nothing if you're not a collector. I, however, AM a collector :-)

So they all have the same single? If so one should be fine no? maybe two..maybe Then again its your money so i guess you should be allowed to splurge on yourself.
PS We all envy you.

See above re: being a collector. For example, here's part of my display:

http://truedungeonfans.com/alizee/collectionsmall2.jpg

...and I've a long way to go!

Amigo!

10-15-2007, 11:01 PM

Yup! Totally worth it.

They're monotitre promos. Each disc matches the color of the packaging, and contains a single track - Mademoiselle Juliette. All are the same except for the color.

If you call color cover-art. The color is diff, the rest is the same.

Nope. This was between a quarter and a third of a France trip for me.

So nothing if you're not a collector. I, however, AM a collector :-)

I'm a collector. For example, here's part of my display:

http://truedungeonfans.com/alizee/collectionsmall2.jpg

where do you get your money? from trees?!? :blink:

Solaris

10-15-2007, 11:01 PM

Thats awesome! So you live in Tacoma, Washington...Do you have an alarm system at home?

JCC

10-15-2007, 11:02 PM

Nice, but couldn't you have bought a ticket to France with what they cost? :blink:

LOL...pwned! Good point! :o

CFHollister

10-15-2007, 11:03 PM

where do you get your money? from trees?!? :blink:

You should see it in person ;)

Cooney

10-15-2007, 11:04 PM

LOL...pwned! Good point! :o

Nah. A good trip like I'd want to France will run me $1500-$2000, plus several days of vacation. These discs were only around $500, no days off needed.

where do you get your money? from trees?!? :blink:

I'm single, have no debt, and work full time, nothing more. I put around 10% of my pay in to collecting. The rest covers the usual bills - rent, utilities, gas, food, etc.

Thats awesome! So you live in Tacoma, Washington...Do you have an alarm system at home?

::grins::

Yes! A big one! With savage dogs, and motion sensors, and full time guards with missile launchers! Oh yes, and flying attack porcupines!

RadioactiveMan

10-15-2007, 11:05 PM

You should see it in person ;)

Hollister's proudest moment is seeing Cooney's collection. :p

Amigo!

10-15-2007, 11:06 PM

I'm single, have no debt, and work full time, nothing more. I put around 10% of my pay in to collecting. The rest covers the usual bills - rent, utilities, gas, food, etc.

Cooney had a plan :p

Rocket

10-15-2007, 11:07 PM

must be a guy thing

espire

10-15-2007, 11:11 PM

must be a guy thing

Yes, we always stay at home, with our "collections."

Of course, I don't understand that phrase. I seriously have never bothered finding out what it actually means.

Ben

10-16-2007, 12:35 AM

Nah. A good trip like I'd want to France will run me $1500-$2000, plus several days of vacation. These discs were only around $500, no days off needed.
I said ticket, not trip. :p

RMJ

10-16-2007, 12:49 AM

I got my colors lil less than 200. So 5 days less in Paris. :(

fsquared

10-16-2007, 01:44 AM

I've also seen Cooney's collection in person. It is quite formidable.

Thats awesome! So you live in Tacoma, Washington...Do you have an alarm system at home?

Man, I was trying to figure out where to stay for the virtual concert, and I almost booked a room at the Tacoma Motel 6 (it was cheapo) and then I saw a tripadvisor review where the guy basically said the place was very scary, people coming and going at all hours, permanent residents, etc., and then when he got to his room, his bathroom had this huge bloodstain on the wall, and that was more than enough for me to bail on that particular option...

CFHollister

10-16-2007, 02:45 AM

Man, I was trying to figure out where to stay for the virtual concert, and I almost booked a room at the Tacoma Motel 6 (it was cheapo) and then I saw a tripadvisor review where the guy basically said the place was very scary, people coming and going at all hours, permanent residents, etc., and then when he got to his room, his bathroom had this huge bloodstain on the wall, and that was more than enough for me to bail on that particular option...

I know this is way off topic... but as far as I'm concerned, there are two separate parts of Tacoma, North Tacoma (which can actually be quite nice), and South Tacoma... which, uh, well yeah, isn't so nice. Steilacoom, on the other hand (where the restaurant is), is fairly nice.

rcs

10-16-2007, 07:54 AM

Soon, Cooney's "Alizee-bookcase" will grow to be an "Alizee-Room.":p

Cooney

10-16-2007, 01:02 PM

Soon, Cooney's "Alizee-bookcase" will grow to be an "Alizee-Room.":p

Workin' on it :-P Once I get the two posters I have next to me framed and hung, I won't have much by way of wallspace left for those, either - maybe enough for one more smaller one :-P

Roman

10-19-2007, 03:55 AM

ok, now i'm completly jealous! FIVE promotional disks - dam, you must know someone! :)

Ed:cool:

Well, he does know people and found out about this sale of "promotional items" early (started 3 Oct). Furthermore, Cooney is rich (with love for Alizée). I don't want to tell you how much some of those went for.

I wonder if one could take computer files in and get Alizée wallpaper produced - you know, for a real wall? Maybe I need to buy a house that still has one of those bomb shelters and convert it to an Alizée fortress - secure, lots of wall space...

Hylas1896

10-20-2007, 01:24 PM

Cooney,

Where did you get the Alizée plane? It's not like you can buy one from Hasbro. Wow, I'm sure that display gets quite a reaction when people first see it. But I must say, better Alizée than philately... stamps rarely make anyone smirk in soothing adoration! :D

Rev

10-20-2007, 06:13 PM

I wonder if one could take computer files in and get Alizée wallpaper produced - you know, for a real wall? Maybe I need to buy a house that still has one of those bomb shelters and convert it to an Alizée fortress - secure, lots of wall space...

Yes, very possible.

rcs

10-20-2007, 08:10 PM

Maybe I need to buy a house that still has one of those bomb shelters and convert it to an Alizée fortress - secure, lots of wall space...

If I won the Powerball lotto, I'd go for a Lili-friendly house equipped with a helicopter pad in case Lili flies in. Then not to weird her out, I'd need to put my Lili shrine behind hidden sliding walls and rotating bookcases that lead down a spiral staircase into my Alizee vault equipped with Alizee entertainment. It would make for an excellent "Alizee America" get together.

*wakes up from dream*:blink:

Cooney

10-21-2007, 03:08 AM

Cooney,

Where did you get the Alizée plane? It's not like you can buy one from Hasbro.

There was a guy specializing in unusual plane models running a Yahoo Storefront. If you run a web search on F-GGMB instead of Alizée you should be able to find it. Most airplane people don't know or care that it was designed by a future pop-star, they just like the design.

Roman

10-21-2007, 04:56 AM

If I won the Powerball lotto, I'd go for a Lili-friendly house equipped with a helicopter pad in case Lili flies in. Then not to weird her out, I'd need to put my Lili shrine behind hidden sliding walls and rotating bookcases that lead down a spiral staircase into my Alizee vault equipped with Alizee entertainment. It would make for an excellent "Alizee America" get together.

*wakes up from dream*:blink:
No No. Don't wake up.

RMJ

10-23-2007, 07:49 AM

espire

10-23-2007, 05:52 PM

I don't like that green very much. Couldn't they have picked a more... green one?

Sir Wood

10-23-2007, 07:56 PM

Very nice RMJ, congratulations!

Cooney

10-24-2007, 12:18 AM

Glad it came in for you RMJ :-)

Yay, promos!

Roman

10-24-2007, 02:04 AM

About time my rest of the discs arrived. :)

VERT - ROUGE - JAUNE - ROSE - BLEU

http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/collection/psychedelices-promos/mademoiselle_juliette.jpg

Stupid last package took so long. :blink:
So cool! Thanks for posting. I like your layout if not so much the colors themselves. Yes, that vert is not so pretty.

Roman

11-03-2007, 02:37 AM

Well crappola! Mine still have not arrived after waiting 14 days! This could be really bad. I sure as hell hope that some strike just delayed it or something.
Man, I really gotta get to business with learning French too! Using this combination of translators, guessing and changing wording around is getting agro. I almost emailed the seller this as part of my message:
Avez-vous un nombre de le transporteur pour suivre où ils allaitent ?
That's pretty close, but with the extra t in allaitent google and bablefish claim that instead of saying "Do you have a number of the carrier to track where they were?" I would have said "Do you have a number of the carrier to track where they are breastfeeding?"
Just had to share. :)

Zack -Alizee Lover-

11-03-2007, 02:56 AM

promos look so simple... maybe they need amelie to do the cover art?

Roman

11-03-2007, 03:16 AM

promos look so simple... maybe they need amelie to do the cover art?

Yes, the aesthetics are obviously not the appeal, though it's nice that they at least have a color!

Cooney

11-03-2007, 08:07 PM

To be fair, the green really doesn't show up quite right in pictures. It's not so puke-colored in real life. It's kind of an army-green color.

Roman

11-04-2007, 01:21 AM

To be fair, the green really doesn't show up quite right in pictures. It's not so puke-colored in real life. It's kind of an army-green color.

Ok, but see now you're just rubbing it in that you have one and I don't. :p That's ok, go ahead and gloat, you deserve it.:p:p
(actually what am I smiling about, if those do not come soon ...)

Roman

11-09-2007, 02:30 PM

Ok, title of this thread is not very descriptive, but where else to post?
Ok, well it took 19 days from the time the guy said he sent the package, but I got my MJ promo disks. Check out picture. I had to open one to verify the authenticity and see if there was anything on the disk like RMJ (?) said. Indeed, even though it does not show up at all in my picture either, there is writing/image on the actual disk. The paper rolls got a bit compressed in shipping, but what you gonna do?
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37820&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d9c0b2ae63249f920b6f2ae9bd8f6ce7
Oh, and yes, the track on the disk is of a higher quality and sounds a bit different. It is louder for one thing. That's probably not a good description, something more like higher fidelity or signal to noise ratio.

Solaris

11-09-2007, 02:34 PM

sweet jebus! thats awesome...I wish I had money to burn but thats going to my Europe fund!

espire

11-09-2007, 03:37 PM

It is louder for one thing. That's probably not a good description, something more like higher fidelity or signal to noise ratio.

CDs have been getting louder and louder over the years, because people assume that if something sounds louder, it sounds better. However, this means that if the song is bumped 10dB and the loudest part of the song is only 5dB below the highest possible volume, you will lose much of the volume differences between peaks and quieter parts. This "dynamic range" used to be one of the main advantages of digital audio on CDs, but it's nearly as bad as cassettes these days. Vinyl, anybody? :p

I'd get the vinyl of Psychédélices except for the horrible shipping costs that I'd have to pay for it, so if any Torontonian is getting one, get one for me too ;)

Roman

11-09-2007, 05:28 PM

CDs have been getting louder and louder over the years, because people assume that if something sounds louder, it sounds better. However, this means that if the song is bumped 10dB and the loudest part of the song is only 5dB below the highest possible volume, you will lose much of the volume differences between peaks and quieter parts. This "dynamic range" used to be one of the main advantages of digital audio on CDs, but it's nearly as bad as cassettes these days. Vinyl, anybody? :p

I'd get the vinyl of Psychédélices except for the horrible shipping costs that I'd have to pay for it, so if any Torontonian is getting one, get one for me too ;)

Regarding audio, obviously I know nothing. Anyway, that sucks. I've also heard of them doing things like introducing errors intentionally so that it will play fine on a regular CD player, but not on a computer or prevent proper copying on a computer or something like that. Obviously we've gotten around that kind of thing, but yes it is quite sad that a CD has the ability to create better quality music than anything that preceded it, yet maybe we don't get that just because of all this B.S. that has nothing to do with music or improving the quality. Just imagine if you were one of the people who created this technology and thinking it would usher in a great new era for recordings and playback and then you see so much of your work voided intentionally by fighting over compatibility and copyright, cheap equipment, etc. etc...
I will get the vinyl, though I will never play it.

RadioactiveMan

11-09-2007, 05:57 PM

Roman

11-09-2007, 06:11 PM

I don't think that CDs have the capacity to beat previous recording methods. I know little myself, but I do remember seeing that analog methods can approach perfection indefinitely whereas a digital recording is limited by its size- discs only hold so much.

Well, but that's comparing a theoretical concept. I'm comparing actual used media. Digital never degrades for example. You can make an absolutely perfect copy of it forever (ok, eventually you will probably get some errors creep in). Point is, you can copy and compare your copy. By it's nature, that can not be done with "analog" techniques. As far as size, I think size is not the issue so much with digital. It's more the conversion process, sampling rate, that sort of thing. I can't believe that a vinyl "record" can compete with even regular CDs if done properly, especially for mass marketed media and especially for durability. Maybe I'm wrong about audio quality and "vinyl" technology has come along, well; so has digital technology. However, one can certainly not make an exact copy of a record in one's house. I'm wondering if this is some kind of fantasy rumor being spread to take the music industry back to a time when you had to actually buy a physical object to get the music you want. I'm not buying it (the idea, that is. I am buying the disk).:p

lefty12357

11-09-2007, 06:22 PM

This loudness race is driven partly by radio. Supposedly studies show that people think the loudest radio stations sound the best, especially when listening in a moving car. Soft passages in classical music can be very difficult to hear in a car because classical music has not joined the loudness war.

Compression has been around a long time (even back in the days of vacuum tubes) and is frequently used when recording vocals and certain instruments. It is then used again when the song is being mixed down. It can smooth out a lot of problems inherent in the recording process.

The problem is now it is used in a heavy-handed way to increase volume on the CD. What’s worse is the radio station then broadcasts the song through their compression gear and raises it again. By the time you hear it, it is flat as a pancake and quite loud. Most of the dynamics are gone for the sake of loudness, thus changing the writer’s intent.

Dynamics is one of the writer’s tools which is pretty much lost to him or her now. That’s why I think a lot of writers don’t even bother to use dynamics in their music nowadays, which is a shame, because a whole dimension is lost. Keep in mind that this same compressed music can be put on vinyl too.

There are 3 major steps in recording that affect the final sound, recording, mastering and final product.

The old way was to record on analog multi-track tape, master on 2 track analog tape, and put the final product on vinyl. Analog tape can be partially saturated causing a warm distortion that people find very pleasant, and is missing from the digital method.

Nowadays they usually use digital to record and master, and then they can put it on vinyl or CD. If this is the case, you may see little, if any improvement in the vinyl version. Much of the warm analog benefit came from the analog tape that was used in the old days.

Sorry for the long post...

Roman

11-09-2007, 06:46 PM

...
Sorry for the long post...Thank you for your detailed post. I will say that loudness does help sometimes. I don't know if it's exactly the same as what you are talking about, but sometimes I listen to a song on YouTube or something and even cranking up my speakers, it still does not sound as good as someone else's post with a louder sound. I figured the data file compression used in the quieter one was not done as well. Similarly, in MJ, there are sounds that one can miss if it is just not loud enough to hear it. I still feel cheated by the industry. It seems like we should generally have much higher quality sound now in 2007, but I swear, between MP3 compressed files for internet streaming or iPods and all the other stuff, music often sounds worse than it did years ago. (though I know access to it is much great now - trade-offs)