Mademoiselle Juliette video

[Raptor12]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=775bd8ac-fa59-4a9f-8d20-d0bbc7b803c4


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[brad]

wow ... definitely a strange video. nice find, thanks!

[MesGourmandises]

Very nice, Love the dance seen.
However, this left a lot of our ideas unconcluded

Why was romeo there?
What did he do?
Is that Alizee?

I think at the end it was a tease saying "hmm is this alizee? youll never no"

And it's definately an old style brothel.

[Fish]

That was certainly interesting. Great job on finding that, Raptor!

[SilentFox]

That was so cool! :) nice find Raptor12

[heyamigo]

okay what in the world happened in the video? i don't get it...

i'm not sure what to say about it...i thought it was too static in the beginning but when they broke out the dance, it was rather weird. i don't know if i like the dances.

i dunno... the whole fighting thing and weird dance moves left a wtf? face on me at the end. :blink:

[DirtyACE]

Thanks Raptor. I kind of have mixed feelings about the video. Seemed a bit odd but also cool. I agree with MesGourmandises, what was Romeo there for? What was the point of having him in the video? And the fight-like dancing in the end. What that's all about?

[suzybananasplit]

Were they....krumping? I dont really understand the concept of the video, its kinda strange. She looks great though. :wub:

[ed2010]

Wow.. that was kind of.. different :blink:

But, as always, Alizée looks and sings wonderfully :)

Though, I must admit, I am at a loss as to why her official website isn't advertising this link, and the all the other news stuff that has been coming out themselves ( or at least on the myspace page )..

I do appreciate the folks here finding all this stuff, but seriously, where is RCA, and how are they getting the word out?

[Fish]

i dunno... the whole fighting thing and weird dance moves left a wtf? face on me at the end. :blink:


I let out an audible chuckle when they started street-dancing in period clothing. I'll have to watch it a few more times, more diligently, with a better understanding of the lyrics to fully form an opinion.

[Cooney]

ARGH! My work computer doesn't have the version of Flash this particular video seems to want (though every other Flash anything works perfectly, of course), so I can't watch it for 8 more hours.

Torture, I tell you!

[DirtyACE]

Were they....krumping? I dont really understand the concept of the video, its kinda strange. She looks great though. :wub:

She does look awesome, I'll agree on that, but the whole krumping thing kind of came out of nowhere.

[Brianh]

Ah very nice video so different, which in my opinion is good. Maybe the Black and pink is symbolizim of her way of showing the struggle to break free just a guess. Anywho I love it, Romeo looking in on his Juliet and maybe seeing two of them? not knowing what to do just throwing some random thoughts around in the air but I thought the video was cool and kind of edgy.

[olympia]

Now what a strange video... it's good visually, but I'm not sure what to make of it from an interpretation stance... and like everyone here, I agree she looks very pretty. Btw, is the tinkerbell on her back a permanent tattoo?? :confused:

(funny... the bathtub scene sort of reminded me of "libertine" :D)

[MesGourmandises]

Now what a strange video... it's good visually, but I'm not sure what to make of it from an interpretation stance... and like everyone here, I agree she looks very pretty. Btw, is the tinkerbell on her back a permanent tattoo?? :confused:

(funny... the bathtub since sort of reminded me of "libertine" :D)

The tattoos real. Wish it wasnt even tho its cool

And yes, very much like libertine!!
Felt a lil porno-ish to me.

[CFHollister]

Undoubtedly there may be more layers of meaning to the video, but let me point out what some of the more obviouse aspects are.

The reason why Romeo hardly figured into the video is because Romeo hardly figures into the song. The song is about the relationship between Juliette, Shakespeare, and the unresponsive world that Shakespeare creates for Juliette to play out her tragedy. Juliette (as played by Alizée) acts as a young, wide-eyed girl eager to enjoy the petits plaisirs in life (being distracted by the plate of candies, also a nice alusion to Gourmandises). However the other members of the courtly families are stagnant and unresponsive to both each other and their surroundings, but also in particular to Juliette (notice how Juliette pokes and prods them to no effect). The video, mostly depicts the party scene of Romeo and Juliette, which ultimately sets off a chain of events that leads to open violence between the fueding Capulets (I think represented by pink) and Montegues (black, but I might have that backwards). We are left with a West Side Story-esque (which was based on Romeo and Juliette) dance/fight scene between the two houses.

So, those are the major elements that jump out at me on the first viewing.

[MesGourmandises]

That's def Lili! That black-dressed girl is lili.

Because, she A. has the tatoo, B. Is wearing sneakers and Alizee loves sneakers, and almost imitates the stances of J'en ai marre and JPVA dances with the fact that she puts her hands on her hips, palms touching waist, arms slightley bent; her common beginning stance (done subconciously once the music is playing and when they KRUMP haha)

I looove how lili takes some cake when shes holding hands and being SERIOUSLY directed to follow the black girl and everythings SO SERIOUS!! And lili.. she just takes a piece of cake :) Lili control your gourmandises!!

[brad]

That's def Lili! That black-dressed girl is lili.

Because, she A. has the tatoo

No .. I don't think so. Her tattoo is a giant Tinkerbell, remember? :p

[Deus_Ex]

That's def Lili! That black-dressed girl is lili.

Because, she A. has the tatoo, B. Is wearing sneakers and Alizee loves sneakers, and almost imitates the stances of J'en ai marre and JPVA dances with the fact that she puts her hands on her hips, palms touching waist, arms slightley bent; her common beginning stance (done subconciously once the music is playing and when they KRUMP haha)

I looove how lili takes some cake when shes holding hands and being SERIOUSLY directed to follow the black girl and everythings SO SERIOUS!! And lili.. she just takes a piece of cake :) Lili control your gourmandises!!

two lilis in the song and two lilis in the album picture

[Steven0022]

This video is awesome, I was wondering how they would stretch it out to be longer and I really like how they did. Lili is HOT!!!! :wub::wub::wub:

[lefty12357]

Undoubtedly there may be more layers of meaning to the video, but let me point out what some of the more obviouse aspects are.

The reason why Romeo hardly figured into the video is because Romeo hardly figures into the song. The song is about the relationship between Juliette, Shakespeare, and the unresponsive world that Shakespeare creates for Juliette to play out her tragedy. Juliette (as played by Alizée) acts as a young, wide-eyed girl eager to enjoy the petits plaisirs in life (being distracted by the plate of candies, also a nice alusion to Gourmandises). However the other members of the courtly families are stagnant and unresponsive to both each other and their surroundings, but also in particular to Juliette (notice how Juliette pokes and prods them to no effect). The video, mostly depicts the party scene of Romeo and Juliette, which ultimately sets off a chain of events that leads to open violence between the fueding Capulets (I think represented by pink) and Montegues (black, but I might have that backwards). We are left with a West Side Story-esque (which was based on Romeo and Juliette) dance/fight scene between the two houses.

So, those are the major elements that jump out at me on the first viewing.


I think you're on the right track, CFH. I need to watch the video a few more times, but generally speaking, I like it. I get the feeling the concept and the shooting for this video was done rather quickly. I think they could have done much more with the story, but maybe they didn't have the time.

Alizée just looks fantastic in it. I just love watching her move !

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

I love the video.

[DirtyACE]

CFHollister, that's an excellent interpretation and very helpful, thanks. I'm inclined to agree with you. Don't know how I didn't see that myself.

[Le Parrain]

WOW shes hottttt. she better hit big in europe.

[Chommpers]

I was kind of baffled too about the meaning of the video at the end even though I have read the play, but after reading CFH post that seems like a pretty good interpritation. I can see thats what they were getting at. Anyway it was a really neat video and Lili looks great so good things all around.

[ALS]

I watched the video a few times and something started looking very familiar. I noticed that in the dance sequence Alizée slipped in a few hand dancing moves from Madonna's Vogue music video. Although not exact but darn close to mimic her moves.

The best part of this video is it is a completely new and fresh direction for music video story telling. If this ever got played on American MTV it would baffle a lot of people. Probably after they got over the shock and the endless WTF is this, I'd bet there would be a instant improvement in the quality of other musicians music videos.

[Deepwaters]

I'll agree with CF Hollister's interpretation, but will add a couple of things.

There's the world inside the mansion and the world outside it; outside is the real world, or the world where the heart can live honestly. This is represented by Romeo and the smile she gives him from the balcony. Inside is a world of pretense, power games, and shackling of the feelings, which Juliette can never quite fit into.

About the bathtub scenes, I'm not convinced that's Alizée in the tub, in fact from the expression on the face (or rather lack of expression) I would tend to say not. The impression is of staleness even in pleasure. Everyone wears masks, or is otherwise unresponsive. There is no true feeling, no honest self-expression inside the mansion. And Romeo never quite manages to get inside. He doesn't fit into that world either (and his family is just as guilty).

The removal of the mask from the woman in black only as she's leaving -- that conveys a subtle impression of death to me.

And finally, I think Alizée dances better than ever. Obviously she hasn't fallen out of practice. Just the opposite!

Edit: A few more thoughts. Alizée appears in two roles in this video, which I will call Juliette and Alizée. Juliette is the one in the corset, Alizée is the one in the white dress. Juliette never smiles, except in the beginning when she is seeing Romeo. All through the rest of the video, she looks either confused or stony-faced, even when dancing. The masked woman in black led her into the mansion, and she was never happy again.

Juliette is the only person in the mansion who is wearing both pink and black, mostly pink but with black trim. Everyone else is in either pink or black. (Except Alizée, of course, and she isn't really part of the scene. Well, and the naked women in the bath.)

The bath scene is NOT like Libertine IMO. Mylène in that scene conveyed hedonism, luxuriance, sensuality. The woman in the tub in this video looked either dead or terrified.

After watching a second time, I'm convinced that the masked woman in black is Death. She watches everyone fall down dead, seems satisfied with the outcome, removes the mask (but we still can't see her face), and leaves.

[CFHollister]

I'll agree with Cooney's interpretation, but will add a couple of things.

Do you mean my interpretation? Being a theatre major, I'm sure Cooney's would be more insightful, but I don't think I've seen it yet.

[fsquared]

Yeah, others were talking about how they were likely to start voguing; it was almost inevitable given the costumes.

I found the slow part, well, really quite slow. I haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut except in excerpts, but it does certainly remind me of that. I suppose that was OK, though a bit dissonant with the uptempo beat. The aspect that I found rather incongruous in this part was that when she was singing, with like the Youpidou-esque shoulder bobs, and etc., it just seemed a little too...."perky".

Somehow I found the part where they break into dance a bit...how to say it...awkward. Sutured in and a bit sterile (the part where she "leads the troupe", especially; it just sort of seemed like it was something happening in a dance studio). Maybe I'm overloaded with MTV-type ADD-esque camera cuts and the picture wasn't moving that much or something.

Then the other stuff with the battle dancing, I dunno, just seemed kind of forced. I guess an allusion to R+J/West Side Story? Someone was talking about krumping; I have no experience with that, but maybe it's a trend to throw in a recent dance style (e.g., Lorie hopping on the "tecktonik" bandwagon in Je Vais Vite).

Maybe it will grow on me. But then, I wasn't a fan of all the old music videos either (I didn't like JEAM, L'Alize, or JPVA all that much).

I guess I'm not really commenting on the story much; I suppose the story has some interesting layers to pull out; I'm mainly commenting on the "feel" and the watchability.

[Deepwaters]

Do you mean my interpretation?

DOH! Yeah. :o

Sorry, editing to fix.

[Mon Maquis]

What's up with her dancers ? They seem like they just learned the dance step 10 min before the video shoot? Alizee is like 2 moves ahead of some of them.

Did anyone notice that?

Also she keeps flicking her her out of her face.

It's a good video, but I just wish she was in it a little more.

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

What's up with her dancers ?

What with them... i was watching lili all the time...

[Rocket]

Here's my take of the video. This sort of follows the play. Juliet is standing on the balcony not knowing her love, Romeo is nearby. As she looks out she begins to ponder her direction she's about to take. Should she stay a Capulet (pink) or become a Montague (black)? If she choses Capulet then she will loose Romeo. If she choses Montague, then she looses her family. Throughout the song she steps out of character and is mad at Shakespeare for putting her in this predicement. But there is more here than meets the eye. Half of her wants to stay innocent while the other half wants to become a woman. As the woman in black leads her through the halls she sees both sides of innocent and decandance. As the struggle inside her continues we see the Montague side wins out. The woman, the new Juliet, unmasks and goes to meet her Romeo. Poor Romeo doesn't know what he's in for.

[blueskyy]

Any chance of getting that video up on this site, Brad?

[Ben]

Very nice interpretations Rocket and CF! Deep, I also really like that you start bringing in things beyond just Romeo and Juliet (though I think the tub and a few other points are references to Libertine. That it changes the meaning is precisely the point).

Though I also kind of agree with fsquared that in pursuit of all this meaning they may have gotten the "feel" a bit off. Dunno, I need to watch it several more times, preferably in high quality, but if I have any concern (none of those from the Le Grand Journal sneak-peak really apply anymore), it's that the video may be a little too artistic for mass appeal. Past clips you were able to just watch and enjoy, but this one will leave you shrugging unless you engage your brain. Good for us, but perhaps a commercial faux pas so early in the game.

[CFHollister]

It was actually my father who mused whether the bubble-bathing in the video might be a minor alusion to JEAM. What do you think?

[Geech]

OMFG thank you for the post Raptor12. OMFG I love this women...

[MesGourmandises]

That would make sense.

You have her grabbing candies in the beginning of the video alluding to Gourmandises and then the bubble bath in the hallway, alluding to Mes Courants Eletriques. Interesting...

Gourmandises was def intentional.. wether or not the bubble bath was really intentially alluding to MCE is unknown... maybe, just maybe if I could have caught a red fish floating somewhere in the tub, then I know it would be on purpose.

[DirtyACE]

So basically the ending of the video symbolizes the choice that she's made, by being dressed in black she becomes a Montague and gets Romeo. And we all know how the rest of the story goes from Shakespeare.

[lefty12357]

It almost seemed to me that the ending was cut off, like there was supposed to be just a bit more. Romeo is only shown for like a second, and the a quick fade. Based on the pacing of the previous scene, I would have expected them to hold the camera on Romeo for at least a few seconds and then slowly fade.

[Ben]

TV stations are just gonna cut that part off anyway.

[lefty12357]

The way the shot was framed, I half expected the girl in black to walk through that door and walk towards his back.

I suppose they left that to our imagination.

[Ben]

The way the shot was framed, I half expected the girl in black to walk through that door and walk towards his back.
Wow, how cool would it be if she did, that we saw it was indeed Alizée, and without him noticing her she pushes him off the balcony? :cool:

[Sanokun]

The tentative look Alizee gives as she's being lead into the room is so priceless. She looks so young and innocent at that moment...plays the part so well.

She's going to be a great actress.

[acer]

thanks for the find! whats with the black guy dancing at 2:58?

[Ben]

Some of the dancing in this video reminds me of Solaar Pleure:

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[JCC]

Wow! I'm...wow! That was different! She certainly broken away from her Moi Lolita/gourmandises/ACC mold and has created a style of her own. Parts of the video remind me of past videos Madonna did.

Lots of hidden meanings, certainly open for interpertation. I don't know what the meaning is of supposdedly having two Alizee's....one is wearing a mask?

[Roman]

Undoubtedly there may be more layers of meaning to the video, ...Thank you, Deepwaters too. That's the sort of thing I was looking for. It helps to understand what all that was supposed to be. Having said that, first impression: this is one of those kind of things that probably appeals to actors or the artsy types. And, as clever as it might be to have these elements and infuse a modern culture aspect on it and as much as perhaps Alizée would take it as a compliment that I think her dance moves remind me of anything from Madonna through Lorie (maybe?) (or perhaps unfortunately, Britney Spears), I must say that though she looks pretty and her singing is good, just about everything I liked about Alizée before is missing from this video.
So, even if one can praise it for it's artistic competence of expression, maybe I'm just not that interested in the message. Maybe I'm a simple guy. Ok, fine, maybe I just like the Lolita image. Done. Said. There you go. I can't relate to this Romeo and Juliette stuff. Maybe also I can't relate to this more modern culture (krumping or whatever).

I never particularly cared for those types of dances moves with the arms doing the quick moves. It does not seem like natural movement. It does not seem like what I think of as dance. I find it to very much contrast with the JEAM dance, for example, and even the JPVA. I've seen Mylène do some dancing and I don't particularly like her dancing either, but I like Alizée's earlier dancing. There are maybe one or two moves that seemed slightly goofy from JPVA, but I like that dance too. As you know, I find the JEAM to be out of this world. In this video, she's not really using her body. The moves aren't sexy like the earlier Alizée. Maybe that's intentional, but as I said it appears I'm a simple guy.

I will say that some of the moves seem to make more sense in the context of the video as a whole rather than just seeing a part of it.
Watching it, I found that shoulder shrug move a bit overdone too, but it at least makes sense considering what she is saying "drame" (drama), though I think it gives me a little different impression than I got from just hearing her say it. May if she had tilted her head forward a bit and had a more serious expression it would be more like what I hear.

About two Lilis, I don't get that impression. Ok, the other has a tattoo as well, but it's different.

I found the Romeo at the end kind of amusing. He seems to be pouting. He came up to see his Juliette, but he's not invited in. Why doth she treat him thus? :p It would be so much better if it was Jérémy. I know that whole discussion, but still it's fun to imagine. They should have her smiling down at him, then get a closer shot of him smiling back. That smile of Jérém's would be so good here. He's got the look, you know.

Lefty12357, I agree the fade out was a too quick (no big deal though).
TV stations are just gonna cut that part off anyway.Oh, yeah, like they cut the end off of Moi...Lolita totally changing the meaning of the end of the video? That kind of think must be infuriating to a film maker. Those who cut make it look like Lolita is looking at the guy with a smile at the end, like now he gets the girl like it's Grease or something, but in actuality if you leave the end in, he's left in the same position as before. If they cut Romeo, I swear they are doing the same god damn thing! -though maybe not quite as bad because this video is a bit more ambiguous anyway.

I really hate criticizing Alizée's video after it was apparently thought out and is trying to do something clever, but the genius of primal appeal is perhaps what I liked before. Hopefully, I will change my mind at least a little.

[heyamigo]

btw, what's the significance of ladies only crowd? is it a lesbian brothel or something? is that why romeo isn't allowed in?

+1 for not a fan of the vogue style hand/arm dancing. i don't know if that would look good during a TV performance.

[Deepwaters]

I don't believe that the woman in the black mask is Alizée. Or Juliette. In the opening scene, she's the one who comes out on the balcony and pulls Juliette into the mansion and away from Romeo. I think she's a figure representing Death, or maybe Tragedy. Or maybe, despite the gender-bending, she's supposed to be Shakespeare, or Shakespeare's muse. So I don't think this is a transformation, Juliette deciding to go all black (Montague). Nor do I think either that Juliet from the play would make that choice (she and Romeo wanted to elope and get away from both families and their craziness), or that that is the message of the song.

Tastes vary. I like the arm movements and the dance. I like this dancing by Alizée better than JEAM or JPVA, not so much because the dance itself is better as because it's obvious Alizée's dancing has improved; she could probably do those older dances better than before, too.

Interesting suggestions about the references to the earlier albums in the goodie-snatching and the bath, I missed that.

[fsquared]

Interesting...for someone who wanted to have her own sound and kind of have a clean break, she's sure tossing in constant allusions to her past.... :)

[Roman]

I don't believe that the woman in the black mask is Alizée. Or Juliette. In the opening scene, she's the one who comes out on the balcony and pulls Juliette into the mansion and away from Romeo. I think she's a figure representing Death, or maybe Tragedy. Or maybe, despite the gender-bending, she's supposed to be Shakespeare, or Shakespeare's muse. So I don't think this is a transformation, Juliette deciding to go all black (Montague). Nor do I think either that Juliet from the play would make that choice (she and Romeo wanted to elope and get away from both families and their craziness), or that that is the message of the song.

Tastes vary. I like the arm movements and the dance. I like this dancing by Alizée better than JEAM or JPVA, not so much because the dance itself is better as because it's obvious Alizée's dancing has improved; she could probably do those older dances better than before, too.

Interesting suggestions about the references to the earlier albums in the goodie-snatching and the bath, I missed that.
Ok, this is getting a bit ridiculous trying to keep up with and post the same stuff in two forums/web sites. Anyway, I didn't read through this thread, did anyone notice that the figure next to the candy dish is tinkerbell?
I totally agree that I don't think there's supposed to be the perception that Alizée and the hooded figure are the same and the tat is definitely differnt. As for whether she can do the earlier dances better now, you may be right about her input on choreographing, but I saw some pretty flawless performances before.
Interesting...for someone who wanted to have her own sound and kind of have a clean break, she's sure tossing in constant allusions to her past.... :)
When did she ever say she wanted a clean break? She said she wants to do things that are more her. As for references: I expect that more on her first video. Maybe not as much in videos to come.

[Brianh]

Just a thought nothing solid here, but what if the whole pink and black thing is a personal struggle for Alizee the pink being the young Alizee and the black being the more Mature grown up Alizee. Just a passing thought, what do ya guys and girls think :)

[Solaris]

So guys, whats going on........WHAT!? The MJ VID is OUT! :eek: I really liked the video but since the song itself is short they really could not have done a whole lot. But I found it rather cool in an OMG thats different sorta way. All your guys takes on the video could very well be true but hopefully since Jean will talk about the song MJ maybe he will mention the vid..who knows.

[nurvonic]

im glad that alizee is back and all, and its great to see the new music video for the single, but damn, what a strange video. it'll have to grow on me over time. it just got weird at the end with everybody dancing around and acting crazy.

[painbringer]

nice video

[Solaris]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc222/solaris0000/MJvid.jpg

This proved it for me that they are two different people. The black dress woman has broader shoulders and different shoulder blades. Also note the tattoo and the hair on BDW. Her hair seems to be shorter in the back. and has less volume to it.

[Cooney]

So, as far as interpretations go, I'll toss a couple ideas out there for consideration that I don't think have yet been proposed. Some of these I believe, some I suggest merely as worthy lines of thought that may lead to more accurate ideas later. I enjoy just the act of thinking about this sort of stuff :-)

- Commedia Dell'Arte is marked by many things, amongst which is the wearing of masks. All characters in Commedia Dell'Arte wear a mask, except the male and female young lovers, the innamorati. The song identifies this piece as that type of theatre, and the video follows through with only Romeo and Juliet, the lovers, showing their faces.

- I propose that there are not two Alizées/Juliettes in the video. There are three. Alizée as Juliet (pink Corset), Alizée as Alizée (tank top, skirt, looks at camera), and an unknown person as Juliet's subconscience (black mask).

- The colors are not strictly Montague and Capulet (the families of Romeo and Juliet respectively), though they can serve in that function. I believe they represent the opposing kingdoms of freedom and responsibility which she feels warring within her. The freedom to love whom she pleases, and the responsibility to be true to her family.

- The entire video is a visual and physical representation of Juliet's thought process, and her internal battle:

1. Juliet is seen at the beginning, standing on the balcony. She is Shakespeare's Juliet, young, innocent, and in love. She is unprotected, an idea reinforced by the bare shoulder shot, which intentionally gives the appearance of nakedness - the ultimate vulnerability. Romeo is below, and holds her gaze until he runs towards her, out of site. It is when he disappears for that moment, to join her, that her mind starts to rush through the possibilities.

2. Enter Juliet's subconscience, the black masked figure. It's a different actress, I believe, but intentionally chosen for physical similarity to Alizée. Her mind draws her in, both literally and figuratively, to think about what could happen if she goes through with this relationship. For a moment, her fears push Romeo out of mind, represented by him being left standing alone on the balcony. Not sharing her fears, he tries to look in, and finds himself kept out.

3. Immediately, she is in the beginning of a confusing network of rooms, representing her memories, ideas, and upbringing. The first room is the first layer, the surface thoughts. This is her childhood, for as a teenager she is still part child. It is fun, smiles, sweets, and games. In this room, everybody is dressed as Juliet is, in a combination of pink and black. Here, in the idealistic part of her mind, she sees a world where everybody can balance between freedom and responsibility, love and duty, and be happy. There are no worries.

4. Idealism rarely being reality, her mind rushes deeper, and examines things from her budding adult perspective, for as a teenager, she is part adult, but perhaps doesn't know quite how to fit that in to the world. In this room, we find hints of the sensuality and sexuality she is beginning to feel, but does not yet have a frame of reference for. It is isolated, sterile, and stiff. It sits alone in the middle of a cold floor like an alter, candle-lit and before a statue of a saint, the holy unattained which she strives towards but has not yet reached. This part of her yearns to be responsible and dutiful, it is dressed in black, but a touch of color comes from the sponge used in the sensual bathtub - she hopes to still find her true love amidst these adult rules and regulations.

5. Being dragged from adolescence in to the world of adults who control her, Juliet is surrounded by those in black. They are unsmiling, stiff, and confusing to her. Despite any effort she makes to fit in, she will not - the pink in her outfit sets her apart, and marks her as ingenue. She circuits the outside of the room, representing her outsider status.

6. Note that we never see Juliet's movement from these rooms in to the room with all the dancers, she just suddenly appears there. Having been taken by her subconscience through the various layers of her thoughts, she now must sort them out and come to a conclusion about what action to take. She dives in, first by trying to make clear divisions in her mind. Visually, she marches down the center in a rehearsed, formal fashion, while a mix of pink and black ideas are on either side. She starts with the hope that she can find, through reason, a way to blend them successfully.

7. Rapidly, however, they split apart and become two opposing camps. On one side, the pink thoughts, led by Juliet, wish to follow the heart, love whom they will, and be carefree. On the other side, her subconscience leads the black thoughts of duty, responsibility, and family, in opposition and counterpoint to the pink. The screen even splits to emphasize this. Each side dances, trying to come out on top, but they are equals. Neither side will win this through simple mental maneuvering.

8. As no rational answer can be found, her mind crashes down in anarchy and open war. A writhing circle of battling ideals results, with cheers, jears, and tears, while Juliet has given up trying to find a logical solution - she and her mind are spectators on the sidelines, to be subject to whatever whims come out on top.

9. Unable to handle the escalating violence, and with a mind torn apart by the challenge, all thoughts are dashed to the floor through tragic suicide. It is an end of innocence and childhood, and an escape from duties and family. All that is left is the memory of her, represented by the subconscience, which strips off her mask and leaves the scene, trying to forget what has occured.

10. Romeo is presented again briefly, still out in the cold, to ensure we do not forget what it was that occured, and most importantly, why it occured. He also represents the survivors, who feel no joy or resolution from the acts that have occured, but rather a sense of emptiness. Why did it happen?

- Throughout the video, Alizée appears as herself, the narrator, the only one who can move amongst the various thoughts freely. She does not belong to either camp, but is instead the third party. She is the healthy, adjusted, fortunate one. She is society, looking at the bickering houses, and passing commentary. She simultaneously mocks what is happening, and sympathizes. It should not happen, but does. She is our warning to not let it happen to us.

[CFHollister]

Wow, Cooney; you certainly don't disapoint!:blink: Is it possible for me to both agree and still agree with my initial interpretation (perhaps for selfish reasons)?... perhaps constructing meaning in two layers: a surface layer based more litteraly on the play; and an inner layer based on the psychological struggle you describe.

I think I can get away with it :p

[Cooney]

Wow, Cooney; you certainly don't disapoint!:blink: Is it possible for me to both agree and still agree with my initial interpretation (perhaps for selfish reasons)?... perhaps constructing meaning in two layers: a surface layer based more litteraly on the play; and an inner layer based on the psychological struggle you describe.

I think I can get away with it :p

Oh absolutely, your comments were entirely good, and I agree with you on almost all points. I was trying to avoid repeating aspects of interpration I felt others had already covered.

For what it's worth, if I were trying to assign colors strictly to families, rather than ideas, based on roles in the clip, I'd actually make the Capulets black, and the Montagues pink, but that's just me :-)

[Fish]

Very interesting interpretation, Cooney. The ending chaos being her divided loyalties conflicting is something that didn't even cross my mind.

[Ali]

Definitely a strange but an interesting video, notheless. Alizee as always looks beautiful. :) I would be curious to know what would be her interpretation of the video.

[Killian]

Thanks for the insights, guys. It helps those among us who haven't read the play. I enjoyed the video, and was glad it was different to her older ones. It told a story and allowed you to enjoy more than just a pretty face and some dancing. The meaning and symbolism in the video, having read your interpretations are very well done indeed. I must say I asm very impressed with this video...

[Roman]

So, as far as interpretations go, ...but a touch of color comes from the sponge used in the sensual bathtub - she hopes to still find her true love amidst these adult rules and regulations. (and we can take the bath to be a nod to JEAM, just like we can take the candy at the begging to be a nod to Gourmandises)

- Throughout the video, Alizée appears as herself, the narrator, the only one who can move amongst the various thoughts freely. She does not belong to either camp, but is instead the third party. She is the healthy, adjusted, fortunate one. She is society, looking at the bickering houses, and passing commentary. She simultaneously mocks what is happening, and sympathizes. It should not happen, but does. She is our warning to not let it happen to us.I feel that way sometimes.
WOW! :blink: - to your interpretation and Alizée. Again, thank you Cooney, CFHollister, and Deepwaters. I'm sure there were some other good points and mentions, but you guys make it worth while. Like Snatcher said, I'm not so sure the general public is going to get this and that will undoubtedly rob it of some of what was intended, but that's what they get for not being fans who pay attention.

I kind of want to create a web site, just to put up these useful and insightful interpretations where they won't be lost amongst the clutter. Those who just leave it with WTF? are being robbed, I say. I don't know if she would have gotten my attention with this at the same level as earlier stuff, but then it's good that I am her captive. She has me held in a gilded cage, with only the nectar of her sweet voice to feed my spirit.
I guess I'm just an uneducated whelp bidden by his own life's heritage to couch himself in the dust, imagine a chance friendship, and bray about his mistress fair whilst mixing metaphores like gin and whiskey. :p

[Bigdan]

It's seems obvious to me that Alizée quote the famous Libertine video...

http://danbousq.club.fr/universdan/Post/mllejuliette.jpg

[ALS]

The one point no one has seen in the bath scene is it isn't a bubble bath it looks like the women are in a MILK bath.

I would like to hear your psychoanalyzation of that one.

Also after reading your comments I'm looking at the whole mask thing as Alizée saying how people don't really behave or act like themselves. People or women as portrayed in the video hide behind a mask to shield their true feelings. You noticed how she pulled the corner of the mask away from one women and peeked to see her real side and look at Alizée's reaction of facial body language.

[fsquared]

I don't know if there is a specific allusion or symbolism to the milk bath but it would be interesting to find out. The lady seemed to be using a little plastic exfoliator to scrub herself, and milk baths are supposed to be good for getting rid of dead skin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_bath

After watching the video again, I have the feeling that my reaction is a little bit like that of eating a fine cheese; the first taste is rather sharp, foreign, overwhelming....only after getting over the initial sensory overload can I start to appreciate the layers better.

I like all the analyses I've read so far. One thing that would be interesting to figure out is the dance style allusions. The part where pink and black dance separately seems to be an allusion to something (obviously there's some ballet at the end) but perhaps something more specific, like a movie scene maybe? It certainly feels like an allusion to a dance studio scene where the teams are "rehearsing" for the big dance-off. I'm thinking of "Fame" for some reason but I haven't seen it in so long....

[Joey_adore_Jung]

i'll will say is that is was to me a great video, that Alizée put a lot of thought into it. she looks great and i will quote Fish. "that corset should be illegal."

[fsquared]

The other funny thing I was going to say is that notice I'm subjecting this video to a ridiculously higher level of scrutiny than I subject any other videos to....I mean, I like Lorie's Je Vais Vite, I play it over and over on youtube, and I occasionally glance at the screen; it's a meaningless formulaic dance video with some tecktonik movies and some scenery, and that's it, and I don't give it a second thought.

[ALS]

Well someone posted it up on Youtube. There are two versions the HQ and low quality. Just in case you want to download it until someone gets their hands on a very high quality version.

[The Cap]

Ok ... just saw it on YouTube.

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/l56oTrfSKRc&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/l56oTrfSKRc&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Is anyone else reminded of the "nekkid masked party" scenes from Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" ?

[suzybananasplit]

I'm not sure if what they were doing was actually krumping...it just looked similar to what I've seen on tv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn0ppKOYU5Q

I'm sure eventually Alizee will explain the video, like she has in the past. I've enjoyed reading the different theories.

[aditya8617]

Is that gal dressed in black taking Alizee everywhere Alizee as well? I had that feeling right at the end.

[Cooney]

Is that gal dressed in black taking Alizee everywhere Alizee as well? I had that feeling right at the end.

She isn't Alizée physically - I'm 95% certain it's a different actress under there. She doesn't move like her. As for if her character is the same character as Alizée - that's a big part of the discussions in this thread :-)

[dan]

Very interesting to read everyone's insightful interepretations. Here's my take:

In brief, pink represents playful, flirtatious innocence, while black represents sterile, joyless maturity. Juliette is just coming of age, dressed in pink fringed with black, and is drawn by fate, who wears a black mask and has a steady deliberate gait, into battle with maturity. Only fate survives this battle. The story is narrated by the Shakespearean chorus, played by Alizée dressed in white, the color of neutrality.

The presence of Romeo at the beginning and end of this video is quite deliberate. Juliette's flirtations with Romeo are the spark that set this story in motion, prompting the visit by fate who leads her away. He is shown at the end to remind us of his tragic fate. Perhaps fate is walking to him after removing her mask?

[dan]

Well, I just talked with Mrs. Dan (no, that's not what I call myself in drag, I am actually quite happily married :-), and she had an interesting interpretation of this video. She sees this as an autobiographical coming of age story for Alizée, who came from an idealistic and innocent childhood (referenced by Gourmadises and Tinkerbell) and was led into Mylene's mature and hedonistic world (referenced by the brothel-like setting complete with Libertine bath). She emerges from this struggle as an adult herself, casting off the mask which she no longer wants or needs to wear, to be with her Romeo.

Leave it to Mrs. Dan to set me straight. I'll be quite curious to watch this video in hi-res so I can make out the tattoo on the back of the girl with the black mask. There are quite a few symbols in this video, so this may be telling. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that Alizée won't admit publicly that this video is autobiographical...

[fsquared]

Just a thought nothing solid here, but what if the whole pink and black thing is a personal struggle for Alizee the pink being the young Alizee and the black being the more Mature grown up Alizee. Just a passing thought, what do ya guys and girls think :)

You know, I was having the same thought, and I think it's an interesting idea to draw those analogies (esp. in Cooney's analysis) between Alizee's own personal journey and Juliette's, as portrayed in the video. In this way, the tour through the mansion recapitulates her early career: the bon-bons and Tinkerbells, the adolescent girls playing with dolls like PTB, the bathtub of JEAM, leading up to the room full of the competing influences on her life to duke it out. This one is probably allusive rather than a central theme, but allows the video to be interpreted on multiple levels.

Edit: Dan beat me to the punch. Great minds think alike I guess ;)

Somehow my favorite touch is the anachronism of the jamming DJ in the background as the set up to face off.

[Deepwaters]

Dan, the trouble with that is that it doesn't match the song, nor Juliet's role in the play. Nor even Alizée's life, because the world she entered under Mylène's tutelage may have been glamorous, but it was hardly hedonistic. And as I said earlier, the image of the bath in this video has a completely different feel from the bath in Libertine. The women in the bath in MJ look so listless and lifeless, which is not at all how Mylène and her giggling bosomy friends appeared in Libertine.

I don't think the masked woman is Alizée (or Juliette). I'm sticking to the belief that she's Death. (Interestingly, while writing a comment about the video on Her Grace's MySpace page, I discovered that mort is a feminine noun, so having Death appear as a woman is linguistically appropriate, where as it might be more of a stretch in English.)

[fsquared]

Dan, the trouble with that is that it doesn't match the song, nor Juliet's role in the play. Nor even Alizée's life, because the world she entered under Mylène's tutelage may have been glamorous, but it was hardly hedonistic. And as I said earlier, the image of the bath in this video has a completely different feel from the bath in Libertine. The women in the bath in MJ look so listless and lifeless, which is not at all how Mylène and her giggling bosomy friends appeared in Libertine.

I don't think the masked woman is Alizée (or Juliette). I'm sticking to the belief that she's Death. (Interestingly, while writing a comment about the video on Her Grace's MySpace page, I discovered that mort is a feminine noun, so having Death appear as a woman is linguistically appropriate, where as it might be more of a stretch in English.)

I agree with this too, which is why I think that it is at most a secondary allusive thread (more like a "personal touch" to the story).

Lady Death is a pretty familiar fantasy/mythical incarnation too (I guess to complement the male Grim Reaper). (In particular, the female Death exists as a force in the Marvel Universe...anyone remember the Infinity Gauntlet where Thanos takes over the universe?)

[Martin]

I think Dan could be right. It could well be autobiographical. Mylene's universe is very close to hedonistic imo. And the lyrics of the song talking about the author manipulating Juliette fit well. I dont know but those models that are presented like souless marionettes bring to my mind all this talk about Mylene's "play doll" and the way she manipulated Alizee artisticaly.

[lefty12357]

I think I gotta go with Cooney or Deepwater’s interpretation of the video.

First of all, Jean Fauque said he wouldn’t have contributed to a project that was negative towards Mylene and I take him at his word.

Secondly, there’s at least two ways to look at it. One version is that Mylene manipulated Alizée like a “play doll”. The other way is the way Alizée recently characterized it; that Mylene handed everything to her on a silver platter and she accepted it willingly. There appears to be symbols of her past career in the video, but I don’t think these are supposed to be necessarily viewed as negative. I believe Alizée said she is proud of her past career and has no regrets.

Personally, I don’t see anything in the video that I would take as negative towards Mylene.

[fsquared]

I think I gotta go with Cooney or Deepwater’s interpretation of the video.


Personally, I don’t see anything in the video that I would take as negative towards Mylene.

Me neither. I see a lot of allusions, placed there perhaps to work up her eager fans into a frenzy attempting to puzzle out all the possible interpretations.

:D

[Deepwaters]

Also it's not Mylène's universe that's hedonistic, it's only her on-stage persona, and even that's ignoring the depths and nuances that characterize her work and make it impossible to describe it so simplistically. In any case, Mylène herself is a very reserved, private person about whom little is known, but this reserve is completely at odds with the on-stage Mylène, so we can know that whatever the real Mylène is like, she's not like that.

Aside from possible tokens of her earlier career in the video, I don't believe MJ is autobiographical at all. There is simply no resemblance between the life of Alizée and the brief, sad life of Juliet Capulet. Juliet is a captivating character whose story says something poignant about the foolishness of society, and that is what the video is about, we can be sure. The interesting thing is how many details there are in this clip, and what specifically it's saying.

I'll add what I said in the MySpace comment: I love this video. It makes me think. It's rare to find a music video (of all things) that does that. I think one of the reasons I admire Alizée so much is that she has a brain.

[DirtyACE]

That's a great interpretation Deepwaters. I was re-thinking my own today and was going to post it but you pretty much did it for me :D

[CFHollister]

I think one of the reasons I admire Alizée so much is that she has a brain.

To quote one of my favorite movies:
"People forget the brain is the biggest erogenous zone."

[heyamigo]

To quote one of my favorite movies:
"People forget the brain is the biggest erogenous zone."

ha..what movie is that?

[Runner Simon]

WOAW!!!! I am so tired!!! And wow!!! So happy!!
Haven't slept the last 2 days, been into "Försvarsutbildarna" and nearly no food. And I come home to this!!!This is why I love Alizée. She always makes me smile!!

[dan]

You know, I was having the same thought, and I think it's an interesting idea to draw those analogies (esp. in Cooney's analysis) between Alizee's own personal journey and Juliette's, as portrayed in the video. In this way, the tour through the mansion recapitulates her early career: the bon-bons and Tinkerbells, the adolescent girls playing with dolls like PTB, the bathtub of JEAM, leading up to the room full of the competing influences on her life to duke it out. <strong>This one is probably allusive rather than a central theme, but allows the video to be interpreted on multiple levels.</strong>

I agree completely, fsquared. There are definitely enough allusions in this video to allow for multiple levels of interpretation.

Dan, the trouble with that is that it doesn't match the song, nor Juliet's role in the play. Nor even Alizée's life, because the world she entered under Mylène's tutelage may have been glamorous, but it was hardly hedonistic. And as I said earlier, the image of the bath in this video has a completely different feel from the bath in Libertine. The women in the bath in MJ look so listless and lifeless, which is not at all how Mylène and her giggling bosomy friends appeared in Libertine.

I don't think the masked woman is Alizée (or Juliette). I'm sticking to the belief that she's Death. (Interestingly, while writing a comment about the video on Her Grace's MySpace page, I discovered that mort is a feminine noun, so having Death appear as a woman is linguistically appropriate, where as it might be more of a stretch in English.)

Deepwaters: My initial interpretation (see my first post) was closer to yours. I saw the masked woman as "fate" rather than "death", but essentially we were on the same page. However, my wife felt strongly that she was a transformational character, rejecting the personas battling inside (or around) her. I may not be convinced either way without more information, such as being able to make out the tattoo on this woman.

Also it's not Mylène's universe that's hedonistic, it's only her on-stage persona, and even that's ignoring the depths and nuances that characterize her work and make it impossible to describe it so simplistically. In any case, Mylène herself is a very reserved, private person about whom little is known, but this reserve is completely at odds with the on-stage Mylène, so we can know that whatever the real Mylène is like, she's not like that.

Agreed. I believe that the images in MJ are all about personas because everyone is wearing masks. If anything, I would guess that the struggle within Alizée has been between multiple personas rather than actual people. It's the same struggle we all go through growing up.

Aside from possible tokens of her earlier career in the video, I don't believe MJ is autobiographical at all. There is simply no resemblance between the life of Alizée and the brief, sad life of Juliet Capulet. Juliet is a captivating character whose story says something poignant about the foolishness of society, and that is what the video is about, we can be sure. The interesting thing is how many details there are in this clip, and what specifically it's saying.

I agree that it's perfectly valid to interpret this as pink Capulets vs black Montagues, but I think there are other levels of meaning. One is universal: innocence vs. maturity. Another is personal: clearly, Alizée is relating to Juliette. Not only has she chosen to play her part, but she also has included allusions to her own life in telling this story.

I'll add what I said in the MySpace comment: I love this video. It makes me think. It's rare to find a music video (of all things) that does that. I think one of the reasons I admire Alizée so much is that she has a brain.

I've got to agree with you there. I can't say I've ever felt compelled to write an analysis of a music video before in my life.

[fsquared]

I suspect we may have to dig deeper into the literary doppelgänger concept here to understand the black character better. With the deliberately similar hair, build, and dress, and deliberately similar (but apparently not identical) tattoo, and leadership of the "rival" black dance troupe, its seems as the girl in black is supposed to be the doppelgänger for the pink character, but I can't don't know enough about what traditions govern the use of the doppelgänger to say what specific allusions are being made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger

One should note that Nabokov's Claire Quilty was quite the doppelgänger in Lolita.

[Edcognito]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=775bd8ac-fa59-4a9f-8d20-d0bbc7b803c4

My brain just 'sploded.........


Ed:eek:

Just watched it for the second time......

My brain 'sploded again.......

Ed:cool:

[OGRE]

My brain just 'sploded.........


Strange, there wasn't much to clean up.
:p

[Roman]

References to Alizée:
...In this way, the tour through the mansion recapitulates her early career: the bon-bons and Tinkerbells, the adolescent girls playing with dolls like PTB, the bathtub of JEAM, leading up to the room full of the competing influences on her life to duke it out....This is interesting particularly because I think when Alizée started out with Mylène it was all a no-brainer. She did not have competing thoughts. It was just to do what Mylène suggested or laid out and success followed. Eventually she became 20 and had to think about her future. Males became more interesting to her at some point - not just for having fun, like in "I'm not 20" which there seems to be some truth in - at least enough to marry Jérém. She did want a baby - you know how women are. I think there are clearly some references to Alizée's life, but also I think they can be taken as conveniences, like a pun rather than being part of the main intent. Ultimately, the song is about Juliette.

Black figure: I still agree with Deepwaters in that at the end when the "black" woman removes the mask and walks out, it's like her job is done and she is faceless because she represents a concept or an abstract reality, not an actual person. Of course, that abstraction could be a variety of things and I wonder if the intent is that it represents multiple things - death as well as simply the conflict afflicting Juliette. It does seem to be the counterpart of Alizée though (or doppelgänger if you like).

I do also like how Alizée herself appears in the video to narrate rather than just playing any one part.

For the umpteenth time, Alizée's relationship with Mylène:
...There appears to be symbols of her past career in the video, but I don’t think these are supposed to be necessarily viewed as negative. I believe Alizée said she is proud of her past career and has no regrets. Personally, I don’t see anything in the video that I would take as negative towards Mylene.I totally agree. And, I still think that people have tended to overemphasize the idea of Alizée feeling like Mylène's puppet because it seems like a convenient comment to make. I remember in her web site Q&A from years ago she said how at one point people thought that she and Mylène were fighting and she and Mylène almost died laughing because it was so ridiculous. Decide for yourself what is negative to you, but we need to see this video as Alizée intended first. I don't think she intended anything as hedonistic or vulgar.

I will admit that I still don't really understand the tub scene, etc. in spite of explanations. I feel like I want to just know what was in the mind of Alizée or whoever came up with that (and other things), but I can't quite reach it.

I'll agree with Deepwaters that I always thought Alizée was a smart cookie, and this is pretty good evidence too. She is an impressive person generally speaking.

[Edcognito]

Strange, there wasn't much to clean up.
:p

DOH!!!!!!!! I should have known not to throw a straight line out there! :P


Ed:cool:

[Duncan]

thats an awsome vid... very interesting and creative no doubt

[Edcognito]

I'll agree with CF Hollister's interpretation, but will add a couple of way to blend them successfully.

7. Rapidly, however, they split apart and become two opposing camps. On one side, the pink thoughts, led by Juliet, wish to follow the heart, love whom they will, and be carefree. On the other side, her subconscience leads the black thoughts of duty, responsibility, and family, in opposition and counterpoint to the pink. The screen even splits to emphasize this. Each side dances, trying to come out on top, but they are equals. Neither side will win this through simple mental maneuvering.

8. As no rational answer can be found, her mind crashes down in anarchy and open war. A writhing circle of battling ideals results, with cheers, jears, and tears, while Juliet has given up trying to find a logical solution - she and her mind are spectators on the sidelines, to be subject to whatever whims come out on top.

9. Unable to handle the escalating violence, and with a mind torn apart by the challenge, all thoughts are dashed to the floor through tragic suicide. It is an end of innocence and childhood, and an escape from duties and family. All that is left is the memory of her, represented by the subconscience, which strips off her mask and leaves the scene, trying to forget what has occured.

10. Romeo is presented again briefly, still out in the cold, to ensure we do not forget what it was that occured, and most importantly, why it occured. He also represents the survivors, who feel no joy or resolution from the acts that have occured, but rather a sense of emptiness. Why did it happen?

- Throughout the video, Alizée appears as herself, the narrator, the only one who can move amongst the various thoughts freely. She does not belong to either camp, but is instead the third party. She is the healthy, adjusted, fortunate one. She is society, looking at the bickering houses, and passing commentary. She simultaneously mocks what is happening, and sympathizes. It should not happen, but does. She is our warning to not let it happen to us.

I disagree that the figure in black is her conscience, but Fate - Fate and Juliette watch the struggle from the sideline, and fate leaves, as enigmatic as ever........


Alizée is herself, singing, and then she is Juliette, coming to a decision, and living (dying) with the consequences.... And remember - this is supposed to be a song of the tensions between Juliette (the character) and Shakespeare (the writer)......


at least thats MY $0.02 worth!

I'm going back to watch the video again, this time I have a helmet on, to prevent Head 'splosions! :D

Ed:cool:

Also - just a thought - the opening sequence where she is walking through the first room - That may have been an allusion to the Gourmandes video, where all the little girls are eating the picnic lunch? But here, there is NO innocence on display, just hedonism (adult?).

Ed:cool:

[Cooney]

We need to be careful tossing about a term like hedonism. Hedonism is not just enjoying oneself - it's dedicating oneself to the principle that pleasure is the most important thing in life, and pursuit of it trumps all.

The group of girls eating food they like, playing games, and talking is not inherently hedonistic in my opinion.


In the same way, watching this thread, we need to remember that sensuality, sexuality, and vulgarity are all different concepts. Each can exist independantly of the others, or can exist in any combination of the three.

I don't find the milk bath, while a sensual concept, to be overtly sexual in the sense the word is usually used. Juliet is perhaps aware of her own sexuality through it, in the sense that she is a female coming of age, but the situation isn't what would raise flags as "sexual content" or anything.


These comments aren't meant to all be directed at a specific post. They're just something that's come up repeatedly in this thread, and I figured I'd finally say something, since it was bugging me.

[dan]

Just for the record, I would not describe the group of young girls eating, playing and talking as hedonistic either. I see that as a scene depicting playfulness and innocence.

The scene I described as hedonistic involved the milk bath featuring two women followed directly by a stroll past women posed in a very deliberate, brothel-like manner. The most notable part about this scene is that, although it has a hedonistic facade, the women involved are actually quite joyless, even lifeless. Doesn't this stark contrast seem to be a commentary on the expectations vs. reality of hedonism?

Also, I assume that the bath scene in MJ was inspired by the bath scene in Libertine: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e1LkMx7b5i4

Both scenes feature multiple women bathing together in a bathtub set in the middle of a black and white marble floor. There are even candles on the floor in both scenes. Again, the interesting part about MJ is that the women in the bath are completely joyless, unlike the splashing, care-free women in Libertine.

So what do I make of all this? Yes, I'm sure everyone REALLY wants to know, but I'll tell you anyway ;-). In my opinion, I doubt that Alizée associates Mylene with hedonism. Rather, the hedonistic libertine is just one of the masks Mylene has worn in her career. If anything, I'd say this video rejects wearing masks of any kind.

[rcs]

Nothing special, but I noticed at the very end with all the dancers that Lili had her hands pinned to her hips very much like the start of JEAM. :wub: All these comments posted, make me go back and try to see from everybody's POV. Easy does it folks, let's not scalp at each other with our opinions. :)

[heyamigo]

could the 2 alizees be her taking a page from mylene? i think mylene used to use ego and alter ego themes in some of her music videos, like california and f**k them all.

[Edcognito]

Just for the record, I would not describe the group of young girls eating, playing and talking as hedonistic either. I see that as a scene depicting playfulness and innocence.

The scene I described as hedonistic involved the milk bath featuring two women followed directly by a stroll past women posed in a very deliberate, brothel-like manner. The most notable part about this scene is that, although it has a hedonistic facade, the women involved are actually quite joyless, even lifeless. Doesn't this stark contrast seem to be a commentary on the expectations vs. reality of hedonism?

Also, I assume that the bath scene in MJ was inspired by the bath scene in Libertine: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e1LkMx7b5i4

Both scenes feature multiple women bathing together in a bathtub set in the middle of a black and white marble floor. There are even candles on the floor in both scenes. Again, the interesting part about MJ is that the women in the bath are completely joyless, unlike the splashing, care-free women in Libertine.

So what do I make of all this? Yes, I'm sure everyone REALLY wants to know, but I'll tell you anyway ;-). In my opinion, I doubt that Alizée associates Mylene with hedonism. Rather, the hedonistic libertine is just one of the masks Mylene has worn in her career. If anything, I'd say this video rejects wearing masks of any kind.

Ok - would something like "debauchery" be more accurate. You can be debauched (i believe) without taking joy from it - and the "young" Juliette this would seem foriegn - i.e. - the poses of the models - everything very different from MJ's point of view...?

I just watched the video again for like the 14th time, and my head only 'sploded a little bit this time... I think I'm running out of filler! :)


Ed:cool:

[Joey_adore_Jung]

Strange, there wasn't much to clean up.
:p

don worry Ed was really covering for me.

[Roman]

We need to be careful tossing about a term like hedonism. ...I just wish people would read some of your posts.
Anyway, I also see a lot of conclusions that I will guess are based on ignorance (guess because I'm not the best one to point it out). You take something that is "period" like the bath and people who only have the experience of seeing such a thing in Mylène's video seem to *only* (notice I'm not discounting some partial reference) make a connection with that. This is a period piece obviously and I assume Alizée et al did some research on that. I just wish people had enough knowledge to see it from that perspective rather than basing their impression on having seen Eyes Wide Shut or some such.

By the way, if Libertine is hedonistic, it has nothing to do with Mylène being that way. It was like the movie. She and Laurent were just making a music video version of that story/movie. It's an especially French genre. It's not like she thought that up or anything (though maybe the details).

[Anabelle]

Don't know if my accurate of it is right but I want to share my opinion of this clip with you:D

At the beginning, Romeo came to meet Juliet. She's happy but her heart started to swing. At the mean while, the odd melody started just like describing her controversial moods.

In the clip, Capulet family wear pink dress. You can see those ones have a fantastic life, like sweet girls. It is Juliette's usual life before meeting Romeo. In the first room, she take a dessert representing she's just as pure as a girl.

Black is the Montagues. You can see they are wearing in a mature way and all in black. That is, if Juliette choose to be in love with Romeo, she has to be a woman not just the little girl who free from cares before.

And the song goes to chorus part. In a hall where hung a drawing by Stoul. Two sides conflict. They dance battles pop on again and again. Then the black wins. finally, the story is following just like the story goes in the way you knew before.

There are some scenes that Lili walks among many models wearing black and pink. They are sill and in a period Lili take up one girl's arm and take up the eyes cover, showing they are like dolls. The dolls that all live under Shakespeare's pen. He can decides whether to turn this story into a tragic or not.

[Edcognito]

Don't know if my accurate of it is right but I want to share my opinion of this clip with you:D

There are some scenes that Lili walks among many models wearing black and pink. They are sill and in a period Lili take up one girl's arm and take up the eyes cover, showing they are like dolls. The dolls that all live under Shakespeare's pen. He can decides whether to turn this story into a tragic or not.

I like this idea! Welcome Anabelle - Don't know if I missed welcoming you to the Forum or not, but Welcome!

Ed:cool:

[trippininsanely]

Synopsis

<DL><DD>Time: 14th century. <DD>Place: Verona</DD><DD> </DD><DD> </DD><DD>Act I</DD></DL>After a stormy orchestral introduction depicting the hostility which reigns between the Capulets and the Montaigus, the curtain rises on a declaimatory choral prologue summarizing the tragedy. Act I. A masked ball in the palace of the Capulets. The guests sing the pleasures which await them this evening (introduction: "L'heure s'envole"). Young noble Pâris is amazed at the magnificence of the ball, but Tybalt, nephew of Capulet, assures him that he will forget this magnificence when he sees the magnificent Juliette, daughter of Capulet. When Capulet leads his daughter in the room, she becomes indeed the centre of attention. Capulet invites cheerfully the guests to dance in the nearby rooms and is delighted to leave Pâris to escort Juliette. When the stage is empty, masked Roméo Montaigu and his friends Mercutio and Benvolio come out of their hiding place. Due to their disguise, they were able to enter the rival house without being recognized. Roméo has reservations now on their outing and wishes to leave. He explains that he recently had a dream that filled him with somber premonitions as to their adventure. Mercutio frivolously brushes aside his premonitions, saying they are the work of the queen Mab (ballad of the queen Mab: "Mab, la reine des mensonges"). Roméo is comforted by this ballad, but suddenly sees Juliette through an open door. He falls in love with her in an instant. Enchanted, Roméo is pushed outside by his friends as Juliette enters, with her nurse, Gertrude. Gertrude sings Pâris's praises to her, as a future husband. Juliette, for her part, protests her lack of interest for this marriage (ariette: "Je veux vivre"). The nurse goes away and, while Juliette gets ready to return to the dance, Roméo comes out of a corner of the room. After some words, they realize that their destinies are bound (madrigal: "Ange adorable!"). In the exchange which follows, Roméo discovers that he has fallen in love with a Capulet. Although Roméo has his mask back on, Tybalt manages to identify him. After Roméo's hasty departure, Tybalt reveals to Juliette that she spoke with a hated Montaigu. The guests return in the centre of the stage, Roméo and his friends are among them. Mercutio thinks that they were recognized and the Montaigus beat a hasty retreat. Capulet does not authorize Tybalt to follow them and encourages his guests to pursue the festivities.

Act II

Acte II. The Capulet garden at night. To the left, the window and Juliette's balcony. Roméo left his friends and came back like a thief in the Capulet garden. He cries to Juliette as to a rising sun (cavatina: "Ah! Lève-toi, soleil"). Shortly after, she appears on the balcony and Roméo reveals himself. She asks him for a declaration of love and allegiance which he gives her enthusiastically. Their soft words are for a moment interrupted by Grégorio and other servants of the Capulet, who roam the garden in search of the page of Montaigu seen in the area (scene and chorus: "Personne! Le page aura fui"). When quiet returns, Roméo springs out of his hiding place (duet: "O nuit divine"). Juliette confirms that she is ready to marry him at the time of his choice and Roméo repeats his oath. They are again interrupted, this time by Gertrude, who calls Juliette into the house. The two lovers part reluctantly.

Act III

Acte III. Brother Laurent's cell. At dawn. In the wings, a monks' choir can be heard. Brother Laurent enters with a basket filled with plants and flowers, which he uses to make secret potions. He sings the miracles of nature (chorus and cavatina: "Breceau de tous les êtres"). Roméo enters and tells him of his love for Juliette Capulet. Juliette follows soon with Gertrude. The two lovers ask brother Laurent to unite them. Convinced of the force of their affection, he performs the ceremony (trio and quartet: "Dieu qui fis l'homme à ton image"). A street in front of the house of Capulet. Roméo's page, Stéphano, is mocking the Capulets with a song speaking about a white dove prisoner in a nest of vultures (song: "Que fais-tu, blanche tourterelle?"). This brings Grégorio and the other Capulet servants outside (finale: "Ah! Voici nos gens!"). Stéphano resumes at once the tune of his song in their presence, and challenges Grégorio to a duel. Mercutio is indignant to see Grégorio fight a duel with a mere youth. Tybalt warns Mercutio to pay attention to his words, and they become involved in a duel. When Roméo arrives, Tybalt turns around at once to face him, calling him a coward. Roméo keeps his head and asks Tybalt to forget the days of hatred between the two families. It is Mercutio who decides to defend Roméo's honor. He resumes the duel with Tybalt, and is mortally wounded when Roméo throws himself between the two. Roméo, suddenly angered, tries to take revenge; he fights with Tybalt, giving him a mortal blow. A brass band and marching troop announce the arrival of Duke. The onlookers sing their grief at the disaster, knowing the interdiction of the Duke for such violence and the punishment being death. The partisans of both houses shout for justice and, having learned what happened, the Duke exiles Roméo from Verona. Roméo reiterates his grief at the violence being stopped too late, and his exile from Juliette. Before the curtain falls, the members of the two houses renew their resentful curses.

Act IV

Acte IV. Juliette's room in the early hours. Juliette forgives Roméo for killing one of her relatives (duet: "Va! Je t'ai pardonné"). They both sing their love during their wedding night. Roméo suddenly loosens his embrace when he hears the lark announcing the day, yet Juliette refuses at first to believe it, but she realises it is true. They know they have to part before being discovered. After Roméo's departure, Capulet, Gertrude and Brother Laurent enter (quartet: "Juliette! Ah, le ciel soit loué!"). Capulet announces to Juliette that the last wish of Tybalt was to see Juliette marrying Pâris, and that this marriage is already arranged. Juliette is in despair. When her father leaves the room, she tells Brother Laurent that she would prefer to die rather than to marry Pâris. She has secured a dagger, should there be no avoiding the marriage to Pâris. He suggests a trick by which she could escape with Roméo. She should drink a narcotic which will give her the appearance of death. Capulet will transport the body to the family grave, where Roméo will find her. Juliette accepts this plan. She draws on all her courage (air: "Dieu! Quel frisson court dans les veines!"). A vision of the bloodstained Tybalt makes her hesitate, but she finally empties the phial. A magnificent room at the Capulet's. Juliette enters to the strains of a wedding march on organ. The guests present their best wishes and offer her wedding gifts, but as Capulet takes her arm to lead her into the chapel, Juliette collapses. In horror, Capulet exclaims that his daughter has died.

Act V

Act V. A subterranean crypt at the Capulet's. Juliette is lying on a casket. Brother Laurent learns from another monk, Brother Jean, that Roméo did not receive the letter explaining the trick to him, because his page was attacked. Brother Laurent asks Jean to find another messenger. After an instrumental interlude intended to depict Juliette's state, Roméo appears. Believing Juliette dead, he drinks the poison he carries with him. At that moment, Juliette awakes leading Roméo to believe he is being reunited in heaven with Juliettes ghost. He discovers she is really alive, and they sing their love. Roméo tells her that he has just drunk a fatal poison. While he weakens, Juliette reveals a dagger hidden in her clothes and stabs herself. In a monumental final effort, Roméo and Juliette ask for divine leniency before dying.

[Cooney]

Interesting trippininsanely. That appears to be a summary of the French musical based on Shakespeare's play, yes? It has quite a few major differences from the original play, but as it's one of Alizée's favorite shows, it may be a great peak at part of the inspiration for MJ.


On a completely unrelated note, and further viewings, I'm not convinced that is a milk bath. It looks like soapy water, when the image is clear. The surface suds break to reveal clear water, and its pouring and splashing characteristics are entirely watery. If you had enough milk to make the surface that opaque, things like that wouldn't happen, I don't believe.

[Toc De Mac]

Wow...

I come back from a little trip and I miss all of this. Seems like the Alizée train has kicked into high-gear now. :p

The intrigue of the video is what is interesting to me.

[CFHollister]

On a completely unrelated note, and further viewings, I'm not convinced that is a milk bath. It looks like soapy water, when the image is clear. The surface suds break to reveal clear water, and its pouring and splashing characteristics are entirely watery. If you had enough milk to make the surface that opaque, things like that wouldn't happen, I don't believe.

I had noticed the exact same thing, first thinking it was a milk bath and then noticing the clear water under the soap, but didn't bother to mention it. I'm not sure if they were trying to simulate a milk bath, or if it just happens to resemble one.

[Cooney]

I had noticed the exact same thing, first thinking it was a milk bath and then noticing the clear water under the soap, but didn't bother to mention it. I'm not sure if they were trying to simulate a milk bath, or if it just happens to resemble one.

To be honest, my first impression was champagne, but that was fueled mostly by the shape of the vessel they were pouring from. I don't think they were really trying to simulate anything in particular, they were just making sure to have an opaque enough surface it wouldn't show anything below.

[garçoncanadien]

guys remember they could have photoshopped/Adobe Premiered the bathtub to get that effect xdDDD

[Roman]

Yes, thank you trippininsanely.
...as it's one of Alizée's favorite shows,...How do you know that?

As for milk, that never occurred to me until someone said that's what it was. But, like Cooney suggests, I don't think it makes a difference either way considering the explanation people have put up about milk bath.

[heyamigo]

How do you know that?

i think she said in an interview it's her favorite play and that she's gone to see it several times already. don't quote me, but wasn't there a fan who met her at one of the plays and got a picture taken with her?

[Roman]

i think she said in an interview it's her favorite play and that she's gone to see it several times already. don't quote me, but wasn't there a fan who met her at one of the plays and got a picture taken with her?
I hate missing Alizée interviews.:( More searching for me. Was that a long time ago?

[heyamigo]

yea it was one of them old interviews, not new ones.

[lefty12357]

On a completely unrelated note, and further viewings, I'm not convinced that is a milk bath. It looks like soapy water, when the image is clear. The surface suds break to reveal clear water, and its pouring and splashing characteristics are entirely watery. If you had enough milk to make the surface that opaque, things like that wouldn't happen, I don't believe.

After downloading and watching the video, I think it IS supposed to be a milk bath. It looks like they used water that was colored white. It looks very white to me coming out of that thing they are pouring it from. You can also see it spilled on the floor and see a translucent white over the black tiles. It doesn't really look "soapy" to me.

As for the girl in the mask, she has what looks like a tinkerbell tattoo on her back. It doesn't appear to be colored in, it's like someone just drew the outline on her back in black. This makes me think this character does represent Juliette in some way, maybe her fate or death.

[dan]

After downloading and watching the video, I think it IS supposed to be a milk bath. It looks like they used water that was colored white. It looks very white to me coming out of that thing they are pouring it from. You can also see it spilled on the floor and see a translucent white over the black tiles. It doesn't really look "soapy" to me.

As for the girl in the mask, she has what looks like a tinkerbell tattoo on her back. It doesn't appear to be colored in, it's like someone just drew the outline on her back in black. This makes me think this character does represent Juliette in some way, maybe her fate or death.

Very interesting! Is there a higher quality version of this video than those currently on msn, youtube and alizee-officiel.com?

I was hoping that some of the intended meaning would be cleared up when we could make out some symbols, such as the tattoo on the girl in the mask.

[lefty12357]

I got mine from this link:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showpost.php?p=613427&postcount=260

[Cooney]

Yeah, that higher quality version is nice. Makes it very clear that the lady in black is packing pretty much the same tattoo, but in black outline only.

[CFHollister]

Yeah, that higher quality version is nice. Makes it very clear that the lady in black is packing pretty much the same tattoo, but in black outline only.

Interesting. This would seem to support the notion that the figure in black is supposed to represent Alizée/Juliette, or some particular aspect of that character. If not, what else could be the reason?

[fsquared]

Interesting. This would seem to support the notion that the figure in black is supposed to represent Alizée/Juliette, or some particular aspect of that character. If not, what else could be the reason?

Doppelgänger baby :)

[Roman]

Doppelgänger baby :)
You just like that word, don't you.:p I think we're saying the same things here. I'll just point out that while I agree I also recognize the mundane possibility that the other lady just thought Alizée's tattoo was cool and decided to get one too.

I think I've watched this video and that Grand Journal more than anything else of Alizée's in anywhere near the same time period. After looking at different things each time, I noticed that the "blacks'" dance is not quite the same as the "pinks'". The moves of all the dancers do seem to work with the music. I think perhaps I like the moves of the blacks better, but anyway together the video has a more impressive expressive quality. I'm trying to say that I'm getting used to this video and the dance moves they do seem at least to be appropriate or the video has integrity in the way it moves, especially if you have the right/particular interpretation of the events/transitions. It's better now that I think I understand it better than the first impression based mostly just on certain movements and overall image. It was a good effort. Good job, Alizée.

It does look like milk. The only "empty" spots I can see are actually the woman's knees coming out of the milk. And yes, on the floor it looks like milk too. I don't see what difference that makes though.

[fsquared]

I had a weird (and tangential) thought. Remember the fight at the end of Superman III? Where the evil Superman eventually bifurcates, Clark Kent emerges from him, they battle, then Clark Kent emerges victorious, and finally unveils his Superman costume underneath. Perhaps this is what happens with the girl in black victorious. What is the tattoo of the girl in black in the very last scene? Is it the same hollow Tinkerbell, or is it a full, authentic Tinkerbell?

EDIT: It's a vaguely amusing thought to imagine Alizée coming here and laughing her *** off reading this thread about our wild and wilder theories about the layers of meaning in her video.

[DirtyACE]

Anyone notice the big Tink statue next to that cake which Lili samples as she's being dragged by the arm?

Also, how about her changing outfits during the vid. She appears in pink obviously and the all black girl is supposed to represent her too, but during some parts Alizee is dressed in a combination of pink (top) and black (bottom). Do you think it's just her acting as a narrator or perhaps to represent Juliette being torn between the two sides?

[dan]

Well, if fsquared is going to bring up doppelgangers AND Superman, I'm going to get a bit esoteric too...

Perhaps the girl in black represents the shadow aspect of Juliette's persona? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_%28psychology%29). The shadow aspect contains the repressed and suppressed aspects of the conscious self. These are parts of our personality that most of us don't readily admit to or project outward. Much of Jungian psychology involves reconciling a person's conscious ego with their shadow aspect.

So perhaps the pink and black characters just represent these different aspects struggling within Juliette. The battle is a personal transformation, and in the end her mask is removed.

fsquared: It would have been really interesting if they changed, or even removed, her tattoo at the end, but I don't think they did after looking at the higher res video.

[fsquared]

Anyone notice the big Tink statue next to that cake which Lili samples as she's being dragged by the arm?

Also, how about her changing outfits during the vid. She appears in pink obviously and the all black girl is supposed to represent her too, but during some parts Alizee is dressed in a combination of pink (top) and black (bottom). Do you think it's just her acting as a narrator or perhaps to represent Juliette being torn between the two sides?

The Tink has been mentioned, I believe.
I'm inclined to believe the "omniscient narrator" interpretation of the differently/dressed Alizée.

[espire]

I'm inclined to believe the "omniscient narrator" interpretation of the differently/dressed Alizée.

L'alter ego...

[garçoncanadien]

high five to you espire ;)

[fsquared]

L'alter ego...

Well, we're talking about the one in the top and dress who walks around and comments on things (e.g. peeking under the mask, showing how limp the arm of one girl is).

[CFHollister]

EDIT: It's a vaguely amusing thought to imagine Alizée coming here and laughing her *** off reading this thread about our wild and wilder theories about the layers of meaning in her video.

That would be hilarious if she were to just think to herself "I just wanted to make a cool video" :rolleyes: (but in French, of course). :p

[Ben]

That would be hilarious if she were to just think to herself "I just wanted to make a cool video" :rolleyes: (but in French, of course). :p
That may well be the case. A lot of the symbolism probably comes from the director. I'm sure he went over it with her, but it may not have been her main concern.

[pineapplejello]

okay what in the world happened in the video? i don't get it...

i'm not sure what to say about it...i thought it was too static in the beginning but when they broke out the dance, it was rather weird. i don't know if i like the dances.

i dunno... the whole fighting thing and weird dance moves left a wtf? face on me at the end. :blink:
Man, I really think you are stuck in the Moi Lolita world! She has left this far behind. The static, as u refer to it, is actually resembling a record player ( u remember vinyl?) and the dance is just what it is dude,,,, bizzare, just as her mentor Mylene taught her. Funny, Alizee wanted to split from Mylene, so not to be associated with her and now shes fallen into her bizzare behavior. :wub:

[fsquared]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.... :D

I think "static" here is used by heyamigo in the sense of "not dynamic", as in all the people not moving at the beginning.

And, yes, there is a strong "vinyl"/retro feel to the audio, starting with the vinyl static at the beginning, through the DJ jamming to the beat at the beginning of the confrontation scene, and out to the end where you can hear the needle skipping because it has hit the end of the record.

I don't think the dance is necessarily "bizarre" but, rather, stylized combat.

BTW, did anyone else notice them slipping in a few tecktonik moves in the "parallel rehearsal" scenes before the pliés?

[sjcrookston]

She is still beautiful and the expressions that melt hearts are there, but I wasn't real excited by this video. Then again, I never was a big fan of any videos, the live performances is where Alizee seems to shine.

[Roman]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.... :D
I think "static" here is used by heyamigo in the sense of "not dynamic", as in all the people not moving at the beginning.
And, yes, there is a strong "vinyl"/retro feel to the audio, starting with the vinyl static at the beginning, through the DJ jamming to the beat at the beginning of the confrontation scene, and out to the end where you can hear the needle skipping because it has hit the end of the record.
I don't think the dance is necessarily "bizarre" but, rather, stylized combat.
BTW, did anyone else notice them slipping in a few tecktonik moves in the "parallel rehearsal" scenes before the pliés?I think he said "hear" static. Just realized, there may be some people who have never heard a record do that before, eh? I don't know what tecktonik is, but they had a discussion about that over at AA too.

[Ben]

I'm enjoying this video more and more, and not because of the complex interpretations, nice as they are. Just sitting back and watching it. The song especially is well served by the longer version. The middle section's given time to grow, the chorus is repeated enough to catch on... It really is so, so much better.

[Edcognito]

DAM!


My head 'sploded again!


I love reading the interpretations, but i'm going to stick with my(favorite) thought that the girl dressed in black is fate. :D

Ed:cool:

[CFHollister]

The song especially is well served by the longer version. The middle section's given time to grow, the chorus is repeated enough to catch on... It really is so, so much better.

Indeed. Now I'm curious which version is actually gonna show up on the album: the radio edit or the video edit...

[Ben]

Indeed. Now I'm curious which version is actually gonna show up on the album: the radio edit or the video edit...
Based on this, I'd say the later but without the little intro noises:
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?p=76623#post76623

[CFHollister]

Based on this, I'd say the later but without the little intro noises:
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?p=76623#post76623

Oh wow, how'd I miss that:confused:

[Edcognito]

I think he said "hear" static. Just realized, there may be some people who have never heard a record do that before, eh? I don't know what tecktonik is, but they had a discussion about that over at AA too.

ZOMG! YOIKES and all that! "never heard a record hit the end".... man, poor deprived young tykes....... ;)

I think HA was saying static as in not dancing..... Just have to say, I am going absolutely bugf**K waiting for this album. When I go to the page with the sound samples, i get nothing, nada, zilch..... I've used both Mozilla and IE... I'm just gonna have to be patient...... :( I don't really do patient very well......... its one of my (many) failings.....


Ed:cool:

[Cooney]

Just have to say, I am going absolutely bugf**K waiting for this album. When I go to the page with the sound samples, i get nothing, nada, zilch..... I've used both Mozilla and IE... I'm just gonna have to be patient...... :( I don't really do patient very well......... its one of my (many) failings.....


Ack! Sorry Ed, I didn't realize there were people who couldn't hear them.

Here's a .zip file of the samples. I took the mylene.net track and split it in to individual mp3's for each song.

http://rapidshare.com/files/71084747/psychedelices_sound_clips.zip.html

[ALS]

I see someone posted the video in MPG over on one of the download sites we don't talk about. It was supposedly taken off the MSN website.
Just in case you want MJ in something other than FLV.
The quality is so so but at least it isn't FLV.

[Ben]

High quality W9 capture from Olympio!

YES !!

:D

hi !

i have removed the 2 logo ...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8939/alizeemelljuliettew92yr0.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alizeemelljuliettew92yr0.jpg)

enjoy ;..

Not to change the name ,Don't forget the credit...

Download links will be added as I upload them...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X7NMMSYH
http://rapidshare.com/files/71200070/Alizee-MJulietteMVolympio.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/?bussmdd01ky

[CFHollister]

High quality M6 capture from Olympio!

Download links will be added as I upload them...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X7NMMSYH

Excellent! I've been waiting for this to come through the pipeline. Merci beaucoup, Snatcher (and Olympio)! :D

[Solaris]

High quality M6 capture from Olympio!



Download links will be added as I upload them...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X7NMMSYH

I hope this mean that the HQ vid will be ready for download soon?:blink:

EDIT NVM!!!!

[Ben]

HQ version from MCM by Touch. It's basiaclly the same as Oly's, but with even less text:

http://rapidshare.com/files/71211811/Alizee_-_Mademoiselle_Juliette_-_By_Touch.mpg
http://www.mediafire.com/?3elf14vbxz0
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UUBADJGE

[CFHollister]

HQ version from MCM by Touch. It's basiaclly the same as Oly's, but with even less text:

http://rapidshare.com/files/71211811/Alizee_-_Mademoiselle_Juliette_-_By_Touch.mpg
http://www.mediafire.com/?3elf14vbxz0
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UUBADJGE

text?... not sure what you mean :confused:

[Ben]

text?... not sure what you mean :confused:
This stuff:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3222/olyls7.jpg

It appears twice in Oly's video, never in Touch's. Though Oly's may be a bit clearer, I'm not sure. They're encoded the same way, but from different tv stations that may have been broadcasting a slightly different signal.

Whatever, they're both very high quality. Some people may just have a subjective preference for one over the other. I have to look more closely before I decide.

[CFHollister]

Cool; thanks for clarifying.

[Roman]

Yet a higher quality version!? I just can't leave my computer can I? You guys rock like Mount Rushmore. :P

[Ben]

There could still be a better one coming if it's broadcast anywhere in 16:9... but hasn't been yet.

Edit:
And here is said version:

yes, another version :)

ALIZEE - MADEMOISELLE JULIETTE
MPEG2 PAL - 16/9 - NRJHiTS - 123MO ... with many logo

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6793/lili169iu2.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lili169iu2.jpg)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=715AZK7Y


enjoy :D

[SilentFox]

Nice find there Snatcher!

[ALS]

Anyone notice at the beginning of the credits on the one version of MJ that at the bottom there is a credit for Sir Sid productions. Looks like Jeremy and Alizée are completely one entity in marriage and business as they say.

[Ange]

aww that's good. one entity.

[PopeH]

Here's some Rapidshare.com links to the 16x9 video:


http://rapidshare.com/files/71373519/Alizee_-_Mademoiselle_Juliette_-_16-9_-_By_Touch.7z.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/71374769/Alizee_-_Mademoiselle_Juliette_-_16-9_-_By_Touch.7z.002


They're in 7-Zip format, you can get 7-Zip from here: http://www.7-zip.org/

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

There could still be a better one coming if it's broadcast anywhere in 16:9... but hasn't been yet.

Edit:
And here is said version:

Mind uploading it to mediafire or any other place please?

[PopeH]

Sure:


http://www.mediafire.com/?devykxp7ynz
http://www.mediafire.com/?9nnxzixvwly


Just like with the rapidshare links I posted you have to use 7-Zip to extract the files.

Enjoy.

[Ben]

Thanks PopeH. I've updated the first post of this thread with links to the two highest quality versions, imo.

[Cooney]

Thanks for the HQ.

Watching, I see that it isn't a bowl of candies she grabs something from in that first room. That's a cake, like on her album cover (a little different style, but same idea). She uses her finger to steal a bit of frosting.

Huzzah for high resolution.

[Joey_adore_Jung]

damn that means i am stuck with the cheap quality vid :(

[PopeH]

damn that means i am stuck with the cheap quality vid :(

Rofl, why? Bad download rate or something?

[Edcognito]

:D I enjoy watching the new video (duh!) and contrasting it with earlier videos. Not necessarily to compare the "images" but to see how much this young lady has changed in 3 years.

In my (humble) opinion, while she seemed at ease in her earlier videos, I think its quite apparent now that she is far more self-confident. Possibly because "she's" in charge now.

Maybe this is my own feelings interpreted through her music/style/image now, but thats the feeling I get from her. The "vibe" if you will. I cannot WAIT for the new albums coming out (albums? yes, two of the regular CD!) to continue my philosophical examination of someone i don't know, will probably never meet in a social situation, and only ever see 3rd hand!:D


Ed:cool:

[Deepwaters]

Oh, my. Mon enchanteresse, you have definitely started something. Or maybe I did.

I wrote some thoughts on this video to post on AlizéeAlliance, but their bloody server software got me caught in an endless loop of login procedures (again! grr!) so rather than waste all that effort I posted it as a comment on Her Grace's MS page. Someone named Sabrina posted her own interpretations in three messages. It's "let's analyze the song clip" time. :D

Here's a translation of what I posted:

This just went through my head regarding the MJ video. I had thought the woman in black was death, or maybe Juliet's destiny, but one complication arises from the image of the masked woman, which I can now see in the high-resolution photos (thanks, RMJ) and couldn't see before: the tattoo on the masked woman's back is a simplified version of the Tinkerbell tattoo on Alizée's back. It's as if the masked woman is an unfinished version of Alizée/Juliet. She may still be Juliet's destiny, but I believe now that she is something more, an expression of possibility, or perhaps Juliet's spirit, who gains her freedom only and finally in death, when all the dancers have fallen and the senseless feud is finally over.

In the play by Shakespeare, the feud between the Montague and Capulet families ends after the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. But in the video, the families die, and the spirit of Juliet (if that's what the masked woman represents) removes her mask and escapes. She plays the role of a rebel instead of a sacrifice.

Poor Romeo, though; he has no idea what it all means, and remains on the balcony, so confused . . . :blink:


OK, I'll let everyone go read Sabrina's comments yourselves. This is fun! What a thinking person's video this is. Alizée, your geek-girl credentials are now well established (even though I know someone else actually produced it, he/she must have done so with your approval).

[Joey_adore_Jung]

Rofl, why? Bad download rate or something?

exactly(in simple terms)

[Cooney]

Well, we just got our first words straight from her regarding interpreting this video. It doesn't cover the lady in black, but she said in the "Swiss interview" we just got that in her version, Juliet doesn't want to be busied with Romeo, and would rather hang out with her friends. She says it's "an invitation to party."

Très interessant, oui ?

[lefty12357]

I get the feeling she's offering that explanation up to the people who don't want things too "deep" and might be turned off by something more complex that they might have to think about. After all, they just want to party.

But she knows there's another whole layer of meaning that her "other" fans can get into, like us.

Or maybe we have overactive imaginations...;)

[Deepwaters]

I agree with you, Lefty. I might buy that "invitation to party" line except that Juliette is so obviously NOT having fun, and except that everyone collapses in the end while the masked woman skips out.

Yeah, she leaves Romeo dangling on the balcony, but consider that in the play, her elopement with the R-man is what leads to their deaths and the end of the feud. I was struck by this contrast: in the play, the lovers die, along with a couple of others, but the families survive and the feud ends; in the video, the families die, and the lovers survive (separately).

No way is Alizée unaware of all this.

[Cooney]

Gotta love her, eh?

[lefty12357]

Gotta love her, eh?

Yeah, I no longer have a choice in the matter...:D

[Deepwaters]

Yeah, gotta love her.

What I don't have to do is believe her when she's full of it. :D

[DirtyACE]

I doubt she'd sit there through the interview explaining the intricacies of the MJ video. She just gave an answer that's easy for the general public to wrap they're mind around.

[Roman]

Well, we just got our first words straight from her regarding interpreting this video. It doesn't cover the lady in black, but she said in the "Swiss interview" we just got that in her version, Juliet doesn't want to be busied with Romeo, and would rather hang out with her friends. She says it's "an invitation to party."

Très interessant, oui ?Like I said, it's French "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun".:p
Yeah, with the director's cut and the end scene where the hooded woman kisses Juliette and then Juliette disappears, it looks like that interpretation was right on. I don't care for that cut, though it helps us understand a bit better or confirms the intention of the video/story. The old Juliette disappears and a new one walks off free of her past and it's entanglements, with a new spirit, unmasked. Hmm, is Alizée trying to tell us something about her own life?

[Jess]

I hope no one minds me posting this here, I don't see a better video posted... Hey, what's that Mexican doing going up the balcony? :D

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[FanDeAliFee]

In the two years this thread has been alive, no one has talked about the beverages of which Alizée sings:

"Mademoiselle Juliette aimerait faire la fête champagne à sabrer coke à décapsuler"

I may be reaching here, but this could be a tortured reference to Vin Mariani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Mariani), the creation of Corsican-born chemist Angelo Mariani. The identification is far from perfect, as Vin Mariani was based on Bordeaux, not (sparkling) Champagne. Also, I doubt the ladies at the party in MJ would look half as zoned out as many do if they had tanked up on Vin Mariani, rather than some other drink!

Postscript: The Alizée profile here (http://alizeecorsicajaccio.centerblog.net/rub-Alizee-BIOGRAPHIE.html) alleges that Coca-Cola is her favorite drink. How appropriate, given that Vin Mariani, the beverage most tied by history to Corsica, is its ancestor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mariani_(chemist)).

[FanDeAliFee]

I recently read the allegation dated "01/2001" <a href="http://www.alizee-fanpage.com/de/node/666">here</a> that Alizée<blockquote><i>...attended the premier of the musical "Roméo & Juliette". Very cool, she even signed autographs for fans during the intermission. [saying] "I love musicals, I love history. Cécilia and Damien are very kind. They get along well."</i></blockquote>This references the <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410532/">French film <i>Roméo & Juliette</i></a>, nominally released early the <i>next</i> year according to the IMDB. There are some <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=C%C3%A9cilia+Damien+Sargue+Ca ra&search_type=&aq=f">short excerpts on YouTube</a> from this <i>musical</i> film. One could <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410532/board/thread/88709864?d=126844178&p=1#126844178">still buy</a> the film a year ago, but it was rather expensive. It would be interesting to see if one might recognize some particular influence of it in the <i> Mademoiselle Juliette</i> music video.

[Nafas]

I'll try to explain what references there are in the MJ video with wonderland and mind control. You should watch the Director's Cut btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeSdrLPiaf0 It has the kissing scene in it, which is a critical scene in my review.

First of all, I think that Alizée doesn’t have anything to do with all this, the director and the one who created the script are the bad guys :P (that’s why I asked some time ago who the “elite” are which Alizée has connections with according to technikart magazine ..)

First scene:
At first you see Alizée sitting on the balcony, while a young man is approaching. They are smiling to each other, and the man wants to meet her, however this doesn’t happen. The black madame takes Alizée inside the mansion, and the man who climbs up the balcony can't reach her.

What does this means?
The mansion is a symbol for Alizée mind. The man wants to reach her, but he can't.. she been taken into her mind and for the real world, outside her mind, she's absent minded..

Second scene:
She enters the mansion, which is decorated with all kinds of personal stuff (Tinkerbell and candies..) and nice lady's. However she can't stay and has to move on the next room by a madame dressed in black.

what does this mean?
This is wonderland. When someone is being mind controlled the first thing what happens is that the person must feel comfortable and happy, they have to imagine a fake wonderland with nice things (you can still see this when someone is put under hypnosis, the subject is put i a nice chair and feels comfortable). The nice lady's are also fakes, they don't have any emotion on their faces, there is no live in them. When Alizée is in wonderland it's time for the next step. The madame in black takes her to the next layer of her mind.

Thirth scene:
Alizée and the madame in black are now in the second room. The room has a black/white pattern and we see a short reference to Mylene (the 2 bathing lady's). After this room we have an last shot on a all the mindless lady's.

what does this means?
The second room has a checkerboard floor. These floors are used by freemasons at the center of their lodges and is a very strong symbol. You could look it up on Google. The floor represents the arrival of the madame and Alizée in Alizée's inner mind. When they move on to the next room we see the made-up mindless lady's again, their roll will become clear in the next scene..

Last Scene:
In the last scene we see all the mindless lady, the madame and Alizée ready to dance. they start to dance, first friendly and after a while against eachother.. then 2 ladies (one in black other in pink) start to fight each other, the fight gets intense, and after a while the whole groups falls down, except for Alizée and the madame. The madame kiss Alizée and she kisses back. After the kiss only the madame remains and trow of her mask.

What does this last scene means?
the mindless lady's in pink are ragments of Alizée's brain, or her personality. All the pink lady's together create Alizée, so is same for the madame in black. She is made up out of all the lady's in black. Alizée get confronted with the madame in black and what she represents and is made of (the lady's in black).

When someone is mind controlled the subject get to accept a new personality which is programmed to do a specific task (sexslaves are created this way very often) or listen to specific someones (CIA have done this in the cold war a lot to create human robots for missions).

What started as a dance soon become a fight, Alizée doens't wants to give up her personality. After the black chick strikes a hit in the face of a lady in pink everybody drops dead: The mindcontrolles use force to let Alizée accept her new personality. On, what seems, command everything drops dead, Alizée has given up, she's to tired to fight the controllers and her new personality: the black madame. She gives into her and symbolises it with a kiss. In a instant Alizée is disapeared and the black madame walks away while trowing off her mask. Alizée has become the black madame... the mind is now in controll..

Well what do you guys think? I think its clear those ppl who wrote the script and created the vid had some dark intentions.. Look up http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3181 and watch the vid, its almost the same..

groetjes Nafas

[wasabi622]

I'll try to explain what references there are in the MJ video with wonderland and mind control. You should watch the Director's Cut btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeSdrLPiaf0 It has the kissing scene in it, which is a critical scene in my review.

First of all, I think that Alizée doesn’t have anything to do with all this, the director and the one who created the script are the bad guys :P (that’s why I asked some time ago who the “elite” are which Alizée has connections with according to technikart magazine ..)

First scene:
At first you see Alizée sitting on the balcony, while a young man is approaching. They are smiling to each other, and the man wants to meet her, however this doesn’t happen. The black madame takes Alizée inside the mansion, and the man who climbs up the balcony can't reach her.

What does this means?
The mansion is a symbol for Alizée mind. The man wants to reach her, but he can't.. she been taken into her mind and for the real world, outside her mind, she's absent minded..

Second scene:
She enters the mansion, which is decorated with all kinds of personal stuff (Tinkerbell and candies..) and nice lady's. However she can't stay and has to move on the next room by a madame dressed in black.

what does this mean?
This is wonderland. When someone is being mind controlled the first thing what happens is that the person must feel comfortable and happy, they have to imagine a fake wonderland with nice things (you can still see this when someone is put under hypnosis, the subject is put i a nice chair and feels comfortable). The nice lady's are also fakes, they don't have any emotion on their faces, there is no live in them. When Alizée is in wonderland it's time for the next step. The madame in black takes her to the next layer of her mind.

Thirth scene:
Alizée and the madame in black are now in the second room. The room has a black/white pattern and we see a short reference to Mylene (the 2 bathing lady's). After this room we have an last shot on a all the mindless lady's.

what does this means?
The second room has a checkerboard floor. These floors are used by freemasons at the center of their lodges and is a very strong symbol. You could look it up on Google. The floor represents the arrival of the madame and Alizée in Alizée's inner mind. When they move on to the next room we see the made-up mindless lady's again, their roll will become clear in the next scene..

Last Scene:
In the last scene we see all the mindless lady, the madame and Alizée ready to dance. they start to dance, first friendly and after a while against eachother.. then 2 ladies (one in black other in pink) start to fight each other, the fight gets intense, and after a while the whole groups falls down, except for Alizée and the madame. The madame kiss Alizée and she kisses back. After the kiss only the madame remains and trow of her mask.

What does this last scene means?
the mindless lady's in pink are ragments of Alizée's brain, or her personality. All the pink lady's together create Alizée, so is same for the madame in black. She is made up out of all the lady's in black. Alizée get confronted with the madame in black and what she represents and is made of (the lady's in black).

When someone is mind controlled the subject get to accept a new personality which is programmed to do a specific task (sexslaves are created this way very often) or listen to specific someones (CIA have done this in the cold war a lot to create human robots for missions).

What started as a dance soon become a fight, Alizée doens't wants to give up her personality. After the black chick strikes a hit in the face of a lady in pink everybody drops dead: The mindcontrolles use force to let Alizée accept her new personality. On, what seems, command everything drops dead, Alizée has given up, she's to tired to fight the controllers and her new personality: the black madame. She gives into her and symbolises it with a kiss. In a instant Alizée is disapeared and the black madame walks away while trowing off her mask. Alizée has become the black madame... the mind is now in controll..

Well what do you guys think? I think its clear those ppl who wrote the script and created the vid had some dark intentions.. Look up http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3181 and watch the vid, its almost the same..

groetjes Nafas

....wow.

That is a very in-depth analysis for the music video.

I can't see any faults in what you've said, but at the same time... I feel we might be looking very deep into it.

MJ is supposed to be about how MJ just wants to have fun and enjoy her self, no? She doesn't care for the battle between the Montagues and the Capulets, etc.

So the way I see it, all those rooms just shows that she wants to enjoy herself. The candies, her favorite Disney icon Tinkerbell, the warm bath, etc. As for the dance battle between the people in the pink and black dresses, I thought it was supposed to represent the feud between the Montague and the Capulets, which is why everyone "dies" after the battle, and only Alizée and the black dress lady is left.

That's just my light brief analysis. :p
Yours was much more in depth than mine. :D

[FanDeAliFee]

What do you think of this new fan production of the original MJ video?

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[AlizéeInspired]

What do you think of this new fan production of the original MJ video?

Hahahahaha! The sims! I thought it was well done. Interesting and funny.

[user472884]

Daniel wins,

"ken" fails

[battousai]

What do you think of this new fan production of the original MJ video?

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I like this one more

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[DrSmith]

I love everything about it.

Check out the related videos too:

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