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MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 11:46 AM
Okay, So I've awesomely obtained a complete version of the album! And although it's not the highest quality, it's ok, it suffices ;)

Anyway, shall we begin? :)

Overall
I feel that overall you can really hear how Lili sculpted this album and was the primary executive in it's creation. You can hear how she likes certain things and keeps them in other songs. From a general impression, she likes a lot of sound effects, even though some are annoying, and she also likes to add those interludes where the instruments cop out and shes singing with percussion, with an electronic effect, or "a cappella". She definately expresses herself here. And whatever you've heard from the 30-sec previews is probably not the chorus, so you can't judge those at all.

1 - Mademoiselle Juliette - 2:58 :)
I believe everyone's heard this by now ;)
My Rating: 7/10

2 - Fifty Sixty - 3:41 :)
Okay well, to my surprise Fifty Sixty hasn't been remixed or remastered at all since we got the leak. It's basically the same thing, only a little faster, and the chorus after the second verse that we heard, she sings different than the first chorus. Well now she's done another take of the 2nd chorus, and she song differently, but the same notes, you can just tell she sung differently there.
Rating: 8/10

3 - Mon Taxi Driver - 3:08 :)
This song starts out with what seems like a conductor tapping on there music stand, and then begins with the effects that we've heard in the Yahoo! Interview. Then the bass picks up, and my favorite part of the song is the verses. She starts off by singing something like "Et tons motors". The chord progression's really cool in the verses.
Rating: 7/10

4 - Jamais Plus - 3:24 :o
The song begins with the melody in the chorus, but very weakly. Then we hear Lili whisper "Never More". It basically keeps on adding an instrument every verse she sings and then out of complete nowhere, the chorus bangs right in! No warnings lol The chorus is cool, but it's repeated way too much, and I think the rest of the song is a let down.
Rating: 6/10


5 - Psychedelices - 4:31 :(
The song starts out like a demonic, child like electric song. Then she starts to sing, get's more into the verse, and then the chorus. Which consists of her basically saying "Psychedelices!... blahblahblah... Psychedelices!" and so forth. She says psychedelices like see-keh-deh-lees, when I thought it was see-sheh-deh-lees. But whatever that's beside the point. It ends with the piano and some other strange effects. I do not like this song. lol It's very dissappointing, and very sad, but I can feel Alizee expressing so much in this song.
Rating: 4/10

6 - Decollage - 3:54 :(
Well, wow. Haha. The only cool part of this song is the chorus the rest is just a waste. The rapper that sings with Alizee doesn't sing very much. He just goes oh, yeah! haha And in the beginning he introduces her. The chorus's huge effects come from absolutely no where. And sorry Lili, while it's the cutest thing in the world, you just can't rap. :(
Rating: 4/10

7 - Par Les Paupieres - 4:32 :D
WOW! Absolutely amazing! This song blows me away. It begins with the drums and grows into the verses. And it's absolutely beautiful. You haven't heard the chorus from the 30-sec previews, so don't worry. The chorus goes like "Ca pas par on un car, Avec les mot de air" and the bridge is "Les paupieres closes, tu ne vois rien de sombre" (in my sig).
Also in the bridge she sings "la la la la" lol. Brilliant.
Rating: 10/10

8 - Lilly Town - 4:00 :)
This song enters with a california type intro, sounding very upbeat. Then Lili says "Welcome, bienvenue a lilli town valley". Then the chorus has two chords in the beginning that were cut off in the 30sec previews. After half way into the song the intruments fade off and lili sings with percussion for like 15 seconds. Then in the last chorus, she sings the same notes but her voice sounds different (like in fifty sixty). Her voice sounds like it's en direct, or live in concert. Then it ends with Alizee saying the last syllable of a word and that repeats.
Rating: 6/10

9 - Lonley List - 3:55 :)
This begins with a weird chord pregression, that you can hear in the 30 sec preview, and then the chorus again comes out of no where, but it's not that bad in this song. She says "quand je suis triste, ...., je suis une attriste...etc". Then in the bridge the guitar has this riff it plays, and alizee says "ma lonley, ma lonley liste".
Rating: 6/10

10 - Idealiser - 3:56 :D
The song starts in soft, and then the big heavy drums come in. Bang! And then the chorus starts with her seguing into it when she says "Idealiser!", I love how she says that, the rythms nice. It's Quarter note - quarter note - half note - quarter note - quarter note. In the second singing of the chorus, the bass drums really start to rock. The rythm changes and its cool :) It ends with the bass drums and a quick cymbal role at the very end. My overall statement about this is that, lili should have sang lower for this or the should have transposed it because lili's voice is too high here and it doesn't make the song dramatic enough it actually makes it a little too cute, and the song isnt for that reason. This is ongoing throught the album, I mean compare the 30 sec samples to her voice in gourmandises. What! Her voice got higher as she got older? Is that pubertically possible? lol No! She's just singing so high in this album.
Rating: 9/10 (The chorus could have been better)

11 - L'effet - 3:43 :mad:
To me, this is the worst song in the whole album. It may be because I just don't like Jazz, but this goes on forever and you want it to stop! The song has absolutely no form, and maybe that's how jazz should be but I hate it.
Rating: 3/10 -EDITED-

So there you have it! I like the album and theres a couple nice songs I really like. However, I think everyone needs to know that this shows how much Lili has changed. Shes not a lolita anymore, and shes not gonna be that little girl in a black girly suit and high boots with a fish on her butt dancing around anymore. Sure she'll dance, but shell do it expressively and fashionablly, like how she did in the MJ video. She was acting there, in her dance. But she's not young anymore, shes got married, had a baby and we need to realize she's changed a bit. I doubt I'll see her doing Mylene-type dances and shes not gonna be a lolita. Shes gonna be a real singer who's songs are like poetry.

Overall Rating:
Mathematical Average of my Ratings: 6.3/10
My Real Average According to Moi: 7/10 :)

espire
11-25-2007, 12:09 PM
The review is good, though I disagree ;)

Martin
11-25-2007, 12:26 PM
Wow. You are too harsh on L'effet I think. Along with Par les Paupieres they are the finest tracks of the album imo. I dont really like Decollage either but kudos to Alizee for trying something completely different. Jemais plus might sound a bit plain with the repeated chorus but I still love the sound of it. Idealizer could be great but I find the chorus a bit unsuprising.

Overall I think Alizee just proves that all the fuzz about her is justified. She is a pop singer that actually can think on her own and has a view on music things. The album direction shows her quality and good taste.

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 12:29 PM
Wow. You are too harsh on L'effet I think. Along with Par les Paupieres they are the finest tracks of the album imo. I dont really like Decollage either but kudos to Alizee for trying something completely different. Jemais plus might sound a bit plain with the repeated chorus but I still love the sound of it. Idealizer could be great but I find the chorus a bit unsuprising.

Overall I think Alizee just proves that all the fuzz about her is justified. She is a pop singer that actually can think on her own and has a view on music things. The album direction shows her quality and good taste.

Yes, congrats to alizee for trying rap. I admire that.
And you're right, Idealiser really coulda been great and I said in my review that I didn't like the chorus.

Zack -Alizee Lover-
11-25-2007, 12:34 PM
wtf Lilly town has to be 10/10

Killian
11-25-2007, 12:35 PM
Nice to see that you heard the whole thing, and thanks for giving your opinions.
I'm glad someone went to the trouble of laying out what the album was like from a fan's perspective. A journalist would probably differ from you on some points, but I think your opinions are more likely to reflect what the fans of Alizée's older music may be.

I would really love to see a critical review of the album, basedsolely on it's musical merits. That's not saying your's wasn't helpful, just opinionated :p

Amigo!
11-25-2007, 12:37 PM
The review is good, though I disagree ;)

I have to agree with his disagree :p

cocoroa
11-25-2007, 12:54 PM
i think lèffet is a good song
it`s calm and sexy
but i can`t disagree with you because i`ve only heard the samples

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 01:00 PM
The reason why I hate l'effet is because it just goes on and on, no structure, no form, it's just the same boring thing over and over again; alizee's voice with piano and some effects, going on and on it whatever mediocre melody there is.

To tell you the truth, I'm shocked that anyone likes it here. lol

Fusoya
11-25-2007, 01:32 PM
I cant say anything before I've heard the whole album myself either

heyamigo
11-25-2007, 01:46 PM
i think psychedelices is a much better song in entirety and although l'effet seems like a long song without structure, her voice is so cute and angelic in it that makes it worth listening to. i would have given those 2 songs better scores.

Toc De Mac
11-25-2007, 01:52 PM
From the clips we have, L'effet is hardly jazzy... :rolleyes:

Ricardo
11-25-2007, 05:06 PM
wtf l'effet is one of my favourites from the previews :(

Martin
11-25-2007, 05:21 PM
How can you dislike L'effet :confused:. It is sooo french. Relaxed and romantic. Now, I want to hear her sing something with accordeon.

fsquared
11-25-2007, 05:45 PM
Statements about "how can you not like X?" or "I'm shocked that anyone likes X" are not constructive. I gave my impressions but I did not attempt to judge anyone else's feelings, and I implore everyone to give each other the same respect.

ALS
11-25-2007, 05:58 PM
It was up on the net.
I found it but all files have been taken down or removed with in a few hours of the original posting

suzybananasplit
11-25-2007, 07:17 PM
Her old songs were also poetry. Probably more so than her new album. There was a lot of hidden meaning and really beautiful lyrics. Although I like Alizee's new style..the quality of music just isn't the same. From a fan's point of view, I love the new music. But as a musician, the new music just isn't as good as before.

cocoroa
11-25-2007, 07:22 PM
Her old songs were also poetry. Probably more so than her new album. There was a lot of hidden meaning and really beautiful lyrics. Although I like Alizee's new style..the quality of music just isn't the same. From a fan's point of view, I love the new music. But as a musician, the new music just isn't as good as before.

I totaly agree with you

DirtyACE
11-25-2007, 07:34 PM
Mes, thanks for posting your review. I was a bit surprised with some ratings but not all that shocked, especially considering the fact that I've only heard samples and so can't really formulate a proper review for myself. I will certainly keep your review in mind once I hear the album in its entirety.

And some of you here need to show a bit more respect for his opinion as something like this depends purely on taste and it quite trivial. Listening to music is like going to an art gallery to look at paintings, there can be many interpretations and criticisms for every piece, and they are all valid. It's simply not black and white, right or wrong. Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent a bit.

Thanks again Mes :)

Toc De Mac
11-25-2007, 07:34 PM
Her old songs were also poetry. Probably more so than her new album. There was a lot of hidden meaning and really beautiful lyrics. Although I like Alizee's new style..the quality of music just isn't the same. From a fan's point of view, I love the new music. But as a musician, the new music just isn't as good as before.

You don't think there are hidden meanings in the new songs?

Unless you are completely fluent in French (which, even then, I assume one would still have trouble), how can you make such a statement?

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Her old songs were also poetry. Probably more so than her new album. There was a lot of hidden meaning and really beautiful lyrics. Although I like Alizee's new style..the quality of music just isn't the same. From a fan's point of view, I love the new music. But as a musician, the new music just isn't as good as before.

I completely disagree. I think you should know now that as a musician, these songs are much more complex and intricate and wether its your taste or not thats fine, but from a technical standpoint these arent songs you can just think of in 5 minutes. The simplicity in the past albums were a little too simple for me. They were 4 chords per songs and basically no variation. Sure they were catchy, and alizee was the only reason I liked them.

And even if you think that they were poetry back then, you have to realize they were MYLENE'S poetry, not alizee's. And I doubt being 16 and not 20 as portrayed in j'ai pas vingt ans is any poetry. But thats the major difference in this album, this is the real alizee, everything before that was just an image that mylene tried to pull off. Im so happy that shes sprouted into such an amazing musician.

Neiteio
11-25-2007, 08:29 PM
I've now heard three songs in full -- Mademoiselle Juliette, Fifty Sixty, and Par Les Paupières (that last one -- OH MY GOD) -- and I have to say that her music has improved from a musical standpoint.

The songs on her first two albums had very predictable structures -- verses, chorus, verses with added layer, chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus with added layer. The songs were longer and more repetitious and by-the-numbers than they needed to be, and with the exceptions of a few songs (L'Alizé, Veni Vedi Vici, and L'e-mail a des ailes), I always found myself skipping to the next song once I cleared the second chorus. In other words, while I frequently listen to nearly all her music, there are only a few songs I always listen to all the way through.

This doesn't seem to be a problem with what I've heard of the new album. Mademoiselle, for instance, doesn't drag out its bridge; it knows its drive and keeps it focus all the way through. Par Les Paupières has distinctive parts but they all feel so cohesive, one flowing, magical melody that sparkles with energy. Now I haven't heard some of these "structureless" songs Mes mentioned, and I'm concerned about them, but from what I've heard so far this third album is a definite step up from an artistic standpoint.

Just my opinion. And trust me, I'm no Alizée apologist -- if I don't like what I hear, I'll say it!

EDIT: Also, what Mes said above me.

- N

Zack -Alizee Lover-
11-25-2007, 08:32 PM
i want to hear Lilly town god damn it -.-

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 08:38 PM
I've now heard three songs in full -- Mademoiselle Juliette, Fifty Sixty, and Par Les Paupières (that last one -- OH MY GOD) -- and I have to say that her music has improved from a musical standpoint.

The songs on her first two albums had very predictable structures -- verses, chorus, verses with added layer, chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus with added layer. The songs were longer and more repetitious and by-the-numbers than they needed to be, and with the exceptions of a few songs (L'Alizé, Veni Vedi Vici, and L'e-mail a des ailes), I always found myself skipping to the next song once I cleared the second chorus. In other words, while I frequently listen to nearly all her music, there are only a few songs I always listen to all the way through.

This doesn't seem to be a problem with what I've heard of the new album. Mademoiselle, for instance, doesn't drag out its bridge; it knows its drive and keeps it focus all the way through. Par Les Paupières has distinctive parts but they all feel so cohesive, one flowing, magical melody that sparkles with energy. Now I haven't heard some of these "structureless" songs Mes mentioned, and I'm concerned about them, but from what I've heard so far this third album is a definite step up from an artistic standpoint.

Just my opinion. And trust me, I'm no Alizée apologist -- if I don't like what I hear, I'll say it!

- N

I agree with you. It's more musically comprehnsive and well-written.

The past albums were like Lorie type songs, they were just some girly chords thrown together and repeated with little variation. They had no meaning at all which bothered me. I mean, I don't care if you like candy, and I don't care if people mistake you for being twenty, and your fed up, great! that really is a good place to start for poetry. Oh wait... your not gonna elaborate? No sinarios? Ohh ok.. so your just fed up..

I mean c'mon!! What are you expressing there?

However, I have to say that songs like toc de mac, l'e-mail a des ailes, amelie m'a dit, and tempete were true music just like this album. Notice how none of them ever became singles. Hmm why? Let's face it, mylene gave all the crappy songs to the french public, in hopes that they would fail on the charts, but we all love a catchy jingle, and europe ate the plastic mylene gave them in a heartbeat. Had they would have released toc de mac or L.E.D.A. then they would have been even higher and more artistically renowned.

Zack -Alizee Lover-
11-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Lilly town is just so great. Her english accent is just superb... especially when she says le chocolat and cookies! and Welcome as well!

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 09:30 PM
Uh oh!

Psychedelices has been released on iTunes and the songs sound a bit different from what I've reviewed, mine probably wasn't the lastest release, or maybe it's just cuz it was bad quality.

But I think we should hear the final final versions.

heyamigo
11-25-2007, 09:33 PM
has fifty sixty been changed at all?

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 09:38 PM
has fifty sixty been changed at all?

It sounds like it a little bit from the iTunes preview. It wasn't changed in the version I got.

I hear 2 alizee voices singing in Fifty Sixty in iTunes, so I'm gonna say it's changed!

heyamigo
11-25-2007, 09:41 PM
did you notice how theres 2 versions in the iTunes store and all the songs are a couple seconds longer? also the more expensive version has the alber kam MJ remix.

btw, i don't think fifty sixty has been changed at all...

Bill Seals
11-25-2007, 09:47 PM
Hmmm, hopefully it will be out on the Zune marketplace soon. Down with Apple!!!!

Bill Seals
11-25-2007, 09:52 PM
L'effet with 2/10 !?!?!??!?! Blastphemy, I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though I havn't heard the full version, I think it is the Best song in the album. I don't even see how anyone could dislike this song. Oh well, it is YOUR review afterall.

MesGourmandises
11-25-2007, 10:07 PM
L'effet with 2/10 !?!?!??!?! Blastphemy, I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though I havn't heard the full version, I think it is the Best song in the album. I don't even see how anyone could dislike this song. Oh well, it is YOUR review afterall.

This is MY taste. It's not like it really is a 2/10, but to me it is. If you like it than who cares? That's all that matters.

I just think its not a good song. But I am gonna revise it to 3/10 because I didn't mean to put 2.

heyamigo
11-25-2007, 10:14 PM
hehe yea we'll all have differing tastes, as i really like l'effet. i think it's magical and her voice (although put through some vocal filters) sounds so angelic. this is the a quoi reve une jeune fille of this album, imo. the song makes me feel like i am in a dream state, and the unstructured style that mes mentioned is what makes this song so unique and beautiful.

suzybananasplit
11-25-2007, 10:53 PM
I completely disagree. I think you should know now that as a musician, these songs are much more complex and intricate and wether its your taste or not thats fine, but from a technical standpoint these arent songs you can just think of in 5 minutes. The simplicity in the past albums were a little too simple for me. They were 4 chords per songs and basically no variation. Sure they were catchy, and alizee was the only reason I liked them.

And even if you think that they were poetry back then, you have to realize they were MYLENE'S poetry, not alizee's. And I doubt being 16 and not 20 as portrayed in j'ai pas vingt ans is any poetry. But thats the major difference in this album, this is the real alizee, everything before that was just an image that mylene tried to pull off. Im so happy that shes sprouted into such an amazing musician.



Well, of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion..but unless Alizee wrote the lyrics herself, its not her poetry. She always had a say in what she wanted in the songs and what she wanted them to be about. Mademoiselle Juliette is very monotonous, and varies only a couple notes the entire song, same with Fifty Sixty. The rest of the songs however, I really enjoy. I really like the style of the songs, but if you listen to the actual music, its pretty simplistic. Of course her lyrics have matured from when she was 16, thats only natural.


I'm editing this because..I just had to go back and listen again. I'm still sticking with what I said for the most part. I do agree with you that her sound is much more mature. I absolutely love Par les paupières, and Idéaliser. I've never heard her sing like that. The majority of the album though, is just a downgrade for me.

Toc De Mac
11-25-2007, 10:55 PM
I can really see myself listening to L'effet around the Christmas tree, all curled up around a warm fire... That's pretty much the feeling I get from listening to the thirty second preview.

:)

Bill Seals
11-26-2007, 12:34 AM
This is MY taste. It's not like it really is a 2/10, but to me it is. If you like it than who cares? That's all that matters.

I just think its not a good song. But I am gonna revise it to 3/10 because I didn't mean to put 2.

Woot, a 3/10 now!!!! That doesn't suck quite as bad does it?

JCC
11-26-2007, 01:21 AM
And tell us why we're supposed to believe your so-called reveiw..? Your review is seems to be based on YOUR musical tastes & opinions. And what did you expect, all the songs to be 10/10? Some of us wanna wait till we get our hands on the actually CD, so you review means nothing...at least to me.

nice try, but i'll judge it for myself :mad:

heyamigo
11-26-2007, 01:43 AM
relax, guys. let the man have his opinions. we're not gonna feel the same way about the songs here, it would be quite boring if we did. if he is honest in not liking a certain song, there's no problem with it because i appreciate that more than a "i like everything" review.

fsquared
11-26-2007, 01:46 AM
And tell us why we're supposed to believe your so-called reveiw..? Your review is seems to be based on YOUR musical tastes & opinions. And what did you expect, all the songs to be 10/10? Some of us wanna wait till we get our hands on the actually CD, so you review means nothing...at least to me.

nice try, but i'll judge it for myself :mad:


Um, it's a review, which means it's supposed to be based on his musical tastes and opinions. I don't think he's trying to tell you that you're supposed to think L'Effet is a 2-3/10, but that that's how he feels about it. I can respect that, whether or not I agree with it.

Ricardo
11-26-2007, 10:13 AM
I'm loving this album. And sincerely, the one I like the least is Idéaliser (till now...I used not to like L'Alizé and now I love it :p)

rwd716
11-26-2007, 10:59 AM
ACC > All

I needa listen to it more to come up w/ my final decision...

Edit: They get better if you just let it play off her MySpace

poropipo
11-26-2007, 11:03 AM
i like so much llily town,psychedelices,idealiser,l'effect,mon taxi driver,mademoiselle juliette and 50/60
10/10 to them!!!

SilentFox
11-26-2007, 12:17 PM
i like so much llily town,psychedelices,idealiser,l'effect,mon taxi driver,mademoiselle juliette and 50/60
10/10 to them!!!

I would agree with you there on the songs 10/10 :) they are great songs!

Toc De Mac
11-26-2007, 12:39 PM
I would agree with you there on the songs 10/10 :) they are great songs!

Hey now... I thought you didn't like L'effet? :p

Have you had a change of heart?

Fusoya
11-26-2007, 12:52 PM
I really love the new songs! :D

MesGourmandises
11-26-2007, 02:00 PM
And tell us why we're supposed to believe your so-called reveiw..? Your review is seems to be based on YOUR musical tastes & opinions. And what did you expect, all the songs to be 10/10? Some of us wanna wait till we get our hands on the actually CD, so you review means nothing...at least to me.

nice try, but i'll judge it for myself :mad:

What is your problem!?
So called review?? It's a review what would make it "so called".
And yah buddy reviews are based on the authors musical tastes, namely ME.

so you review means nothing...at least to me.
Then why did you even open this thread in the first place if you didn't care!!!???

French Fan
11-26-2007, 02:28 PM
I got the album and I love Jamais Plus :wub:
I hate L'effet and Décollage...
But it may change after several listening :rolleyes:

garçoncanadien
11-26-2007, 02:32 PM
And tell us why we're supposed to believe your so-called reveiw..? Your review is seems to be based on YOUR musical tastes & opinions. And what did you expect, all the songs to be 10/10? Some of us wanna wait till we get our hands on the actually CD, so you review means nothing...at least to me.

nice try, but i'll judge it for myself :mad:

What is your problem!?
So called review?? It's a review what would make it "so called".
And yah buddy reviews are based on the authors musical tastes, namely ME.


Then why did you even open this thread in the first place if you didn't care!!!???

gentlemen break it up.;)

MesGourmandises
11-26-2007, 03:16 PM
gentlemen break it up.;)

Yes yes i know.
I just hate when people bad mouth me for no reason at all.
Obviously you can see who's at fault.

SilentFox
11-26-2007, 03:20 PM
Hey now... I thought you didn't like L'effet? :p

Have you had a change of heart?

Always have a change of heart there Toc!

Deepwaters
11-26-2007, 03:25 PM
One of the coolest things about this music is how it grows on you. I can remember my initial reaction to Mademoiselle Juliette, how it seemed too repetitious, too simple, not enough buildup, just wham! into the first verse, but I love it now.

I think L'effet is going to have to grow on me a while. Maybe it's because it's been too long since I had a small child myself, I don't know. Or maybe because I can't quite understand the lyrics yet. The music isn't immediately catchy, it's quite subtle. I think it's my least favorite, but we'll see. Like MG I'm not a big jazz fan.

Everything else, I'm liking a lot. I even like the sound of Alizée la rappeuse (if that's a word, which I doubt). :)


I hate L'effet and Décollage...
Now how can you actually "hate" any of these songs? ;)

There's so much variety here that everyone's going to find something they don't like as well as the rest.

Cooney
11-26-2007, 03:28 PM
Personally, I adore L'Effet. It's a pretty sophisticated example of the genre, and I find it very touching (and impressive that a "pop singer" can pull it off).

It pains me to see anybody around here use the word "hate" when describing her work, but everybody's entitled to opinions.

Oh_Snap!
11-26-2007, 03:40 PM
I'm coming to MesGourmandises's defense here. I think your descriptions are spot on, but I think your scoring is too high. I would score most of them sub-5/10 with MJ & Fifty/Sixty 6/10 or maybe 7/10. Sorry but this is just how I feel. There's only a couple of songs on here I like, the rest I listen to them and I just feel like...'blah'. I just don't feel any soul in these tunes, they don't get me excited. And that's disappointing considering how long we've waited.

Deepwaters
11-26-2007, 03:43 PM
It pains me to see anybody around here use the word "hate" when describing her work

See, he didn't say "hate," he said "hâte," meaning those songs make him get in a hurry.

In a hurry to do what remains a mystery, though. ;)

To anyone who doesn't like the sounds on first hearing, I repeat: they grown on you. Give them time. I'm taking that advice myself about L'effet.

French Fan
11-26-2007, 04:06 PM
It pains me to see anybody around here use the word "hate" when describing her work, but everybody's entitled to opinions.

Everybody is free to say exactly what he thinks about the new songs even if they're sung by someone everyone appreciate here...
If not I don't see the interest of a such thread...

Deepwaters
11-26-2007, 04:13 PM
Everybody is free to say exactly what he thinks about the new songs even if they're sung by someone everyone appreciate here...

Correct, of course. It's cool, relax. Nobody is seriously giving you shit about this, and if it looks that way it's just a misunderstanding. I certainly wasn't, I was just teasing.

I just heard L'effet again and, as I predicted, it's getting better. Kind of amazing, I don't know how she pulls this off. I really didn't like that song at all the first time I heard it (although I wouldn't use the word "hate,") but this last time I kind of did. Still not my favorite, though.

BTW French Fan, love your new avatar and sig. I don't think I've seen that picture on the left side of your signature before.

French Fan
11-26-2007, 04:19 PM
Correct, of course. It's cool, relax. Nobody is seriously giving you shit about this, and if it looks that way it's just a misunderstanding. I certainly wasn't, I was just teasing.

BTW I just heard L'effet again and, as I predicted, it's getting better. Kind of amazing, I don't know how she pulls this off. I really didn't like that song at all the first time I heard it (although I wouldn't use the word "hate,") but this last time I kind of did. Still not my favorite, though.

BTW French Fan, love your new avatar and sig. I don't think I've seen that picture on the left side of your signature before.
There isn't any problem don't worry ;)
I'm like you, the first time I heard L'effet I hate it but I didn't change my mind about this song...
I love the rythm of Lonely list and the voice of Alizée in this song <3
Yes I changed my sig and my avatar and the picture on the left corner of the sig is one of my fav of the new ones :wub:

Cooney
11-26-2007, 04:20 PM
...my avatar and the picture on the left corner of the sig is one of my fav of the new ones :wub:

Is that from inside the pochette of the album? I haven't seen it before.

French Fan
11-26-2007, 04:24 PM
Is that from inside the pochette of the album? I haven't seen it before.
It seems :D

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8500/officiellegh9.jpg

Neiteio
11-26-2007, 04:28 PM
Wow, I expected nothing from L'Effet based on the sample, but loved it the first time I heard it all the way through.

I think you guys are over-thinking its structure. It's jazz; just roll with it. Curl up by the fire and the Christmas tree, and imagine Lili serenading you from atop a shiny black piano. If the hot cocoa you're drinking doesn't warm you up, the song will. :D

A fantastic end to a fan-freaking-tastic album.

- N

Deepwaters
11-26-2007, 04:29 PM
WHOOO! HOT PIC! :wub: IT! Another one goes on the hard drive. It's getting full of Alizée now.

Another song I mentioned on the favorite song thread is Idealiser. I don't like the music on that one as well as some of the others, but her voice is just awesome. So clear on those high notes, and the range is amazing.

Zack -Alizee Lover-
11-26-2007, 04:36 PM
merci pour le pic french fan!

DirtyACE
11-27-2007, 01:18 AM
Thanks to Alizee's myspace, I finally listened to the entire album. Well, it's a new direction, obviously, and I feel some songs will have to grow on me like Deepwaters has said. However, having said that, there were several songs that drew me in from the get go. Here are my top 5 at this time:

1. Idealiser - love pretty much everything about this song, the melody, Alizee's amazing voice, plus I think this one would sound amazing live. There's a special sort of ambiance about it.

2. Fifty-Sixty - from the pop-style of the first two albums, this one gives us a new kind of energy. Has that California sound, if you know what I mean, and is quite catchy. A very good driving song. Also FYI, this songs has the most plays on her myspace. Just thought I'd throw out that little stat.

3. Lily Town - to me it's similar to Fifty-Sixty in almost every way. It has that fun summer-style beat to it. Plus if you've read the lyrics, you could see that it's just a plain fun song.

4. Lonely Liste - can't really say why I like it, I just do, but one of the things that drew me in were the transitions within the song.

5. Par Les Paupieres - this one just seems like a solid easy-to-listen song to me. An enjoyable melody with which I can relax.

That's all for now. I'll have to give it some time to form a better opinion of the other songs.

fsquared
11-27-2007, 01:34 AM
I moved this from another thread since it more properly belongs here.

I have to revise all the opinions that I expressed in the other thread (based on the samples). I realized something about my own listening style, which is that an integral part of my enjoyment of the musical experience is synchronizing my internal "parsing" of the music with the rhythm/groove of the piece. (I have on occasion experienced the phenomenon of listening to a piece but "syncing" on it incorrectly and perceiving starts of measures incorrectly and it is remarkably uncomfortable.) My point being that the 30-second samples did not provide me a means to synchronize my listening, so I was unable to perceive the musical evolution of the pieces properly. Once I was able to hear them from the beginning, they were totally different and much better. For instance, I literally had no idea what the fuss was about Par les Paupières before, but now I really like it. Lonely Liste also gained again for me. And I find the dissonant sounds of Psychédélices rather intriguing and experimental. Even Mon Taxi Driver gained for me, as the song unfolded from the beginning. And Décollage flowed quite well for me, even though I found the whole rapping thing a little awkward-sounding still. But hey, she wants to rap, let her rap; I don't know what it will look like live, but hopefully we'll all find out . I still find several of them a little on the rockish and electro sides for my taste, but I can live with that.

DirtyACE
11-27-2007, 01:40 AM
IAnd Décollage flowed quite well for me, even though I found the whole rapping thing a little awkward-sounding still. But hey, she wants to rap, let her rap; I don't know what it will look like live, but hopefully we'll all find out .

Would be interesting to see if she would dress for the part in this song either live or in a video.

rwd716
11-27-2007, 09:58 AM
I loved the 30 second samples, but once I heard the whole songs I felt a little let down, like something was missing. But now, the album as a whole is growing on me. She's just one of those artists that doesn't have a bad song on an album. I hate those albums w/ only two or three decent songs on em. This album has a whole different feel than the first two, but it's good. I could listen to all three albums non-stop and not have a need to fast forward!

Deepwaters
11-27-2007, 11:49 AM
Wow, I expected nothing from L'Effet based on the sample, but loved it the first time I heard it all the way through.

I think you guys are over-thinking its structure. It's jazz; just roll with it.


This is what's interesting about a discussion like this, and an album as varied as this is. There will be songs that some people just love, while others have no use for. This isn't a comment on the quality of the music so much as on the variety of musical taste and appreciation.

The problem with saying "it's jazz; just roll with it," is that I don't much like jazz. Never have, and probably never will. I can appreciate the artistry and virtuosity of it, but it has no power over my soul.


Curl up by the fire and the Christmas tree, and imagine Lili serenading you from atop a shiny black piano.


Nice image. I'd just prefer she was serenading me with a different song, that's all.

Truth is, I'm slightly disappointed in L'effet because parenthood is something I share with Alizée and that most of her fans probably don't. So the theme is something I could relate to. But this song, regrettably, just isn't. Sorry. :(