Is Alizée Lipsyncing most of her performances?

[Runner Simon]

Is she? Me and Je_Aimes_Alizée are having big time argues. I think she does, and he thinks she doesn't.

Examples of according to me lipsync:
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=89
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=74
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBIm_vrVAfQ
etc.

[-MihaiL-]

If her singing sounds like on studio albums clearly she's lipsyncing. But I don't see a probmlem in it, Alizee will have a hard time dancing and singing live. Besides when she's making a show she needs to dance good. In any usual TVshow in the whole world they lipsync. At least in europe the do it everytime.

[bt_bird_90]

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14785

Snatcher says:
"It looks like she’s lip-syncing in every video I’ve seen. Doesn’t she ever sing live?
That’s just the way the majority of televised musical performances in France (and most of Europe too) are done. Most pop singers do this, not just Alizée, although there are a handful of TV performances where she sings live:

Moi… Lolita @ Top of the Pops Italy, Eurobest, Star Academy & a performance in Korea.

In addition, she sang 100% live for her 2003 concert tour as well as the Les Enfoirés concerts.

Related topic: http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=17112"




thread closed

[Runner Simon]

But I don't see a probmlem in it, Alizee will have a hard time dancing and singing live.

Niether do I, but Je_Aimes says I'm a bad fan, and that I think she sings like crap etc.etc.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Might just be the fact that if she is just lipsyncing in her preformances such as for instance ACC etc etc, then why would then be the point of even having a microphone or she being there, and anyhow all the musicians and all activity around.. what would be the point of that. Anyhow if you still doubt she is singing and the muscicians are just there for the look, there are a few obvious occations when the guitarists keeps playing and andhow why would the guys with the set in the background controling the output of the instruments and the voice have to do anything if they werent even making any sound?

[Runner Simon]

For the look, and image ofcourse. And if you hadn't noticed. She always says "Marci" or some like that in the end. Which gives a good reason for havig a mic.

[Extra251]

Sad that the tv channels doing that:( she has a great voice and I dont see any reason for lipsyncing but on the last Star Academy she has sing live:)

[Runner Simon]

Yeah, and I really enjoy watching those clips. They are my favs.

[fsquared]

Might just be the fact that if she is just lipsyncing in her preformances such as for instance ACC etc etc, then why would then be the point of even having a microphone or she being there, and anyhow all the musicians and all activity around.. what would be the point of that. Anyhow if you still doubt she is singing and the muscicians are just there for the look, there are a few obvious occations when the guitarists keeps playing and andhow why would the guys with the set in the background controling the output of the instruments and the voice have to do anything if they werent even making any sound?

Sorry, M-A-A, if it bothers you, but almost all of her performances are lip-synced. The ones that aren't can be counted on roughly three hands. This has been discussed at length in many threads already, e.g.:

http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=410&highlight=live+performance

The presumably best answer to your objections above it's "it's all for show".

It's usually better to go with (or search for) the facts than to argue on what "must" be true.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

She is singing live, anyway she says thanks in many diffrent languages, mainly in french and english. But also once in german.
And anyway if it's so that she sings live only in a few occations howcome that doesnt even sound close to her original voice? Ill save my final blow until you answered this one :)

[fsquared]

She is singing live, anyway she says thanks in many diffrent languages, mainly in french and english. But also once in german.
And anyway if it's so that she sings live only in a few occations howcome that doesnt even sound close to her original voice? Ill save my final blow until you answered this one :)

Not sure what you mean by "howcome that doesnt even sound close to her original voice"; what specific clip(s) are you referring to?
Usually the way the "Merci"'s are handled is that either the mic is not live during the song itself and/or she mouths along silently, and then she says the Merci etc. with the live mic. (I'm not sure which one it is, dead mic or silent mouthing or both, someone with more lipsync experience will have to clarify what the usual protocol is for this).

[Runner Simon]

Whell, you know. Focus, and that in studio you can do it over and over again, till you get it perfect. And in studio you can increase decrease thing etc.

But I'm not 100% sure about that either, since I think it's also sort of wierd.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

What I mean? well ok ill link a few examples. :)

[Runner Simon]

Not sure what you mean by "howcome that doesnt even sound close to her original voice"; what specific clip(s) are you referring to?
Usually the way the "Merci"'s are handled is that either the mic is not live during the song itself and/or she mouths along silently, and then she says the Merci etc. with the live mic. (I'm not sure which one it is, dead mic or silent mouthing or both, someone with more lipsync experience will have to clarify what the usual protocol is for this).

During the song, the mic is muted, when the song ends the sound techs put it on. See this when the do it to early so you can hear her say the last words http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=74

[-MihaiL-]

We see artists lipsynching with a mic attached and band because of 2 reasons, one it's because of the "image" factor, she's a singer and has to have a mic and band, besides you can just pretend she's singing for real, that's great, that's her real singing anyway, only recorded in studio! :)
And the second reason it may be because she's backing up her own recording, I saw a lot of singers do that, they actually accompany their own recorded voice to seem more real and to sing/lipsync easier. Just my two cents.. :)

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Sorry for taking such time but I am having incredible lag atm

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=90
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=69 here are two examples :) btw (mainly begining of the dutch thing)

Nobody can honestly claim that that is the way her voice really is.

[Runner Simon]

Whell, I would like to make a requestion. Who's it singing then?

And I think it sounds terrific. She's such an unusual female singer!!!!

BTW: Comprare them to En Concert or this one:
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[-MihaiL-]

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=90
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=69 here are two examples :) btw (mainly begining of the dutch thing)

Nobody can honestly claim that that is the way her voice really is.

HAHA.. the first video is amazingly funny, I remember I was rolling on the floor when I first saw it. Notice the white guy is just yelling instead of singing. And the black dude is soo.. ahem.. that three letter word that starts with letter "g".. :D
Alizee is amazing on the other hand as well as her LIVE concert in 2004. :wub:

[fsquared]

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=90
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=69 here are two examples :) btw (mainly begining of the dutch thing)

Nobody can honestly claim that that is the way her voice really is.

Sorry if her live singing voice doesn't align with your fantasies of how it must be. :rolleyes: Some people have unanticipated reactions to the cognitive dissonance that occurs when their fantasy collides with reality... :blink:

[Runner Simon]

unanticipated reactions to the cognitive dissonance that occurs when their fantasy collides with reality... :blink:

unanticipated
cognitive
dissonance

Yeah, new words to me >.<

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Sigh you guys are so silly...
and then lets post something that will crush your dreams?
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=30 watch that one when she sings ;) they play the music in the background so you can hear her voice when she doesnt sing and its easy to hear that its softer than her voice, but her voice is identical :) and also here is another song that will prove that she is indeed having the voice ;)
posted by sweet Alizée herself so call it fake please! : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o8XllK5IhdA

[ggin]

I'm confused. Did anyone say that it wasn't her voice, no matter if it was live or lip-sync? BTW, it is common to enhance the voice in a studio recording. It would sound a little different that a live voice.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

It seems that you guys have ran out of arguments :) Ill be going to bed now then becouse I am pretty tired, I am prolly gonna find like 20 posts in here when I login tomorrow though and Ill probably answer a few of them but don't expect me to stand alone being a fan for 3 months agiesnt all of you. Thanks for the good going though and I hope we have all learnt something!
to Ggin: Well as we can all hear in the fan video she sounds just the same as in the original clips its actually even shocking to hear that its coming a sound from behind from the recorded version when she doesnt sing. Thanks for your comment mate.

[-MihaiL-]

Of course she sings great, she has a marvelous voice, maybe not very powerful like say.. Whitney Houston's, but very cute pleasant voice which I like soo much more than any other female voice. I'm entirely devoted what can I say more.. :p
My recent problem with Alizee is not concerning her voice and singing ability, but the music material itself.

[Just a Guest]

Sigh you guys are so silly...
and then lets post something that will crush your dreams?
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=30 watch that one when she sings ;) they play the music in the background so you can hear her voice when she doesnt sing and its easy to hear that its softer than her voice, but her voice is identical :) and also here is another song that will prove that she is indeed having the voice ;)
It only sounds different because of acoustically feedback from the P.A system.
It's 100% lipsynced.
The Queensday/Amsterdam performance was a cock-up of the soundtech at the beginning. He just forgot to shut down her mic. (although she sounded great :cool:)

[fsquared]

Sigh you guys are so silly...
and then lets post something that will crush your dreams?
http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=30 watch that one when she sings ;) they play the music in the background so you can hear her voice when she doesnt sing and its easy to hear that its softer than her voice, but her voice is identical :) and also here is another song that will prove that she is indeed having the voice ;)
posted by sweet Alizée herself so call it fake please! : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o8XllK5IhdA

Are you talking about the store scene singing with Jessica? It is explicitly listed as one of the non-lip-synced performances in RMJ's list that I posted, which for the record is here:

The performances she doesn't lipsync are:
ML in Star Ac 3
ML in TOTP Italy
ML in Korea
ML in Studio 22
ML in Eurobest (only latter part of the song)
ML in Amsterdam (only couple first lines)
ML after L'Alizé in Le Grande Hit (only couple lines with audience)
JEAM in Japan (only partial clip exists)
JEAM in SAD2003 (singing with Jess)
Les Enfoirés 2001 & 2002
En Concert

(Obviously done before her return)

[Runner Simon]

Yes, as I've said, that L'effet is not lipsynced. But really? What does it have to do with the others being lipsynced?!
You're telling me that I say Alizée suck at singing.
Say one time I have said that without being sarcastic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1NnbiUDI8 compraring this song with the other performaces would give you a big diffrence. Since this is live singing. And not lipsynced

And for the other part where I ran out of argues? I'm not updating this thread everysecond just so I can respond.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Of course she sings great, she has a marvelous voice, maybe not very powerful like say.. Whitney Houston's, but very cute pleasant voice which I like soo much more than any other female voice. I'm entirely devoted what can I say more.. :p
My recent problem with Alizee is not concerning her voice and singing ability, but the music material itself.


Very sweetly put IMO :D :wub:

[Just a Guest]

Are you talking about the store scene singing with Jessica? It is explicitly listed as one of the non-lip-synced performances in RMJ's list that I posted, which for the record is here:

The performances she doesn't lipsync are:
ML in Star Ac 3
ML in TOTP Italy
ML in Korea
ML in Studio 22
ML in Eurobest (only latter part of the song)
ML in Amsterdam (only couple first lines)
ML after L'Alizé in Le Grande Hit (only couple lines with audience)
JEAM in Japan (only partial clip exists)
JEAM in SAD2003 (singing with Jess)
Les Enfoirés 2001 & 2002
En Concert

(Obviously done before her return)
I have to add onother one:
For me formidable with Jenifer.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

It only sounds different because of acoustically feedback from the P.A system.
It's 100% lipsynced.
The Queensday/Amsterdam performance was a cock-up of the soundtech at the beginning. He just forgot to shut down her mic. (although she sounded great :cool:)
LOL that was the funniest thing I have ever heard. Forgot to turn down her mic? well howcome it kept sounding weird for a good 30 seconds then? loooooooooooooooooooooool

And after all what is a P.A system? and btw no she is singing and anyhow if u read the subtitles or listen to the video you hear/see that the girl in question is saying that she recognized Alizée's voice.. as she listen to Alizée so much :) and anyhow I doubt it would shock anyone to see their idol run up hugging and just pretending to sing. My dear friend. Alizée is singing and the voice she got is prevailing laud and clear over the recorded J'en ai marre :)

[-MihaiL-]

Here's a genuine LIVE performance video I love a lot, the music is beautiful. It's were she sings with Natasha St-Pier. And it's a TVshow so there are exceptions, I guess.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPmGDFAZM1g :)

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Are you talking about the store scene singing with Jessica? It is explicitly listed as one of the non-lip-synced performances in RMJ's list that I posted, which for the record is here:

The performances she doesn't lipsync are:
ML in Star Ac 3
ML in TOTP Italy
ML in Korea
ML in Studio 22
ML in Eurobest (only latter part of the song)
ML in Amsterdam (only couple first lines)
ML after L'Alizé in Le Grande Hit (only couple lines with audience)
JEAM in Japan (only partial clip exists)
JEAM in SAD2003 (singing with Jess)
Les Enfoirés 2001 & 2002
En Concert

(Obviously done before her return)


Ah ye RMJ is a pearl I agree :) he knows his Alizée
But then we can atleast agree on one thing and that is that Alizée is indeed able of singing just the same as in the original verions of the songs, ofcourse other people are right too its always ultimate conditions when they make the song originals. but It's not going to make that big diffrence when she actually does her best at singing in same way. After all Who says she is bound to sing the same way over and over, en concert is a perfect example of another aspect of her beautiful voice with is just as great but doesnt sound the same as the originals :) cheers once more for RMJ And Alizée!

[Just a Guest]

LOL that was the funniest thing I have ever heard. Forgot to turn down her mic? well howcome it kept sounding weird for a good 30 seconds then? loooooooooooooooooooooool

You seem a little bit ignorant here... :)
What you hear is the playbacktrack TOGETHER with her mic. If somebody lipsyncs, you don't do that silent, but you sing along (quietly).

What I mean by accoustical feedback was maybe a wrong explanation, but what you hear is a mix between the "direct" playback track and the P.A system from the studio. (The speaker system)
Voilà.

[Runner Simon]

Ah ye RMJ is a pearl I agree :) he knows his Alizée
But then we can atleast agree on one thing and that is that Alizée is indeed able of singing just the same as in the original verions of the songs, ofcourse other people are right too its always ultimate conditions when they make the song originals. but It's not going to make that big diffrence when she actually does her best at singing in same way. After all Who says she is bound to sing the same way over and over, en concert is a perfect example of another aspect of her beautiful voice with is just as great but doesnt sound the same as the originals :) cheers once more for RMJ And Alizée!

Dude, I think you owe me an appologize.

[Just a Guest]

Here's a genuine LIVE performance video I love a lot, the music is beautiful. It's were she sings with Natasha St-Pier. And it's a TVshow so there are exceptions, I guess.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPmGDFAZM1g :)
That is excactly one where she (and Natasha) doesn't sing live...:)

[-MihaiL-]

That is excactly one where she (and Natasha) doesn't sing live...:)

well, then they must've recorded it before that. I honestly thought it was LIVE. :)

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Yes, as I've said, that L'effet is not lipsynced. But really? What does it have to do with the others being lipsynced?!
You're telling me that I say Alizée suck at singing.
Say one time I have said that without being sarcastic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1NnbiUDI8 compraring this song with the other performaces would give you a big diffrence. Since this is live singing. And not lipsynced

And for the other part where I ran out of argues? I'm not updating this thread everysecond just so I can respond.


I never said that you said that Alizée sucked, I know you wouldn't do that, Please stop lying will you, I am too tired for your behaivor now.

[lefty12357]

For my two cents, Just a Guest is correct on all counts.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Here's a genuine LIVE performance video I love a lot, the music is beautiful. It's were she sings with Natasha St-Pier. And it's a TVshow so there are exceptions, I guess.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPmGDFAZM1g :)

Thanks mate yes its a really nice preformance too bad the poor dual set microphones and system together with the quality makes them sound so weird, I wish I had seen it live :D
(ok it wasnt live) well then I wish I had been there to see it and hear it when they recorded it :)

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

You seem a little bit ignorant here... :)
What you hear is the playbacktrack TOGETHER with her mic. If somebody lipsyncs, you don't do that silent, but you sing along (quietly).

What I mean by accoustical feedback was maybe a wrong explanation, but what you hear is a mix between the "direct" playback track and the P.A system from the studio. (The speaker system)
Voilà.

I am sorry but I dont understand what the point is with this comment apart from calling me ignorant and explaining the meaning of a P.A system. :S And I am still claiming that she is singing and that the background that you can hear clearly in about 3 occations shows that its softer but in theory just the same voice :) And as we all can see even RMJ marked this as a none lipsyncing preformance so I think we can quit this :P

[Runner Simon]

I never said that you said that Alizée sucked, I know you wouldn't do that, Please stop lying will you, I am too tired for your behaivor now.

Hm, oh yeah? Shame some Moderator at www.lillytown.com removed our argues.

In one you're clearly stating that I don't think Alizée can sing and that I probably also thinks that the ablums were not recorded by Alizée.

And then you go on saying that I'm not a good alizée fan just becouse I think that she can't sing her own songs. Which I have never said nor thought.

Also you have told me I'm immature just for telling you what? Alizée's lipsyncing some of her preformances?

Sorry mate. But it's you who is lying or something els.
Btw. This might be long shot, I'm well awared of that you're one of the moderators at lilly town? Perhaps you removed our fight to mask your own immatureness.

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Dude, I think you owe me an appologize.

I thought I already did appologize to you in LT mate, anyway you haven't caught the choke point yet!

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Hm, oh yeah? Shame some Moderator at www.lillytown.com removed our argues.

In one you're clearly stating that I don't think Alizée can sing and that I probably also thinks that the ablums were not recorded by Alizée.

And then you go on saying that I'm not a good alizée fan just becouse I think that she can't sing her own songs. Which I have never said nor thought.

Also you have told me I'm immature just for telling you what? Alizée's lipsyncing some of her preformances?

Sorry mate. But it's you who is lying or something els.
Btw. This might be long shot, I'm well awared of that you're one of the moderators at lilly town? Perhaps you removed our fight to mask your own immatureness.


That moderator was me, and you went that far that we were inches from banning you. not becouse your ideas about this matter but about the ways you expressed them and your immature way of sneaking in insults in your posts.

[Runner Simon]

I thought I already did appologize to you in LT mate, anyway you haven't caught the choke point yet!

Dude I think we need an talk on the phone or something :/
And I know you appologized half heartly on lillytown, however. I can't be on both places at the same time. So I happened to post here first.

[-MihaiL-]

Someone has had an agenda to where she sings LIVE and where she's lipsynching, or singing along with the backup. That's great! ...uhm no, sarcasm really. :D
She sounds great, what do you guys more want? Is this merely a formula thing, when someone says you suck because of being a fan of a lipsynching singer? Alizee's concert was amazing. I love it! :)

[Runner Simon]

That moderator was me, and you went that far that we were inches from banning you. not becouse your ideas about this matter but about the ways you expressed them and your immature way of sneaking in insults in your posts.

Huh? Message me one! I've no intressed in making insults. Since that's not a good way of convincing people. And calling another fan "A bad fan" is clearly not an sneaky insult. It's a pure backstabbing.

[Just a Guest]

I am sorry but I dont understand what the point is with this comment apart from calling me ignorant and explaining the meaning of a P.A system. :S And I am still claiming that she is singing and that the background that you can hear clearly in about 3 occations shows that its softer but in theory just the same voice :) And as we all can see even RMJ marked this as a none lipsyncing preformance so I think we can quit this :P
I was trying to explain you something from my (professional) point of view.
But if you think differently, that's fine by me too. You are free to believe and think whatever you want. :p

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

Dude I think we need an talk on the phone or something :/
And I know you appologized half heartly on lillytown, however. I can't be on both places at the same time. So I happened to post here first.


Unfortiently I know this all have started by a missunderstanding :(:rolleyes:

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

I was trying to explain you something from my (professional) point of view.
But if you think differently, that's fine by me too. You are free to believe and think whatever you want. :p

Your right mate, I am sorry. :o

[Runner Simon]

Kk, we worked our "problem" out now, thread closed...

[bt_bird_90]

Kk, we worked our "problem" out now, thread closed...

I'm sorry there seems to be some sort of mix up, the thread was actually closed quite a bit ago

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14785

Snatcher says:
"It looks like she’s lip-syncing in every video I’ve seen. Doesn’t she ever sing live?
That’s just the way the majority of televised musical performances in France (and most of Europe too) are done. Most pop singers do this, not just Alizée, although there are a handful of TV performances where she sings live:

Moi… Lolita @ Top of the Pops Italy, Eurobest, Star Academy & a performance in Korea.

In addition, she sang 100% live for her 2003 concert tour as well as the Les Enfoirés concerts.

Related topic: http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=17112"




thread closed

HAIL

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

^^ very mature indeed

[dreamer]

In the past she lip-synched most of her performances and I don't have a problem with that. To do the JEAM dance *and* sound good is simply not possible live, she'd be hout of breath in no time. Also, while she has a great voice she is not the perfect live singer...

[OGRE]

Yeah, but what I want to know...did she lip sync the music CDs?
:p

[Just a Guest]

Yeah, but what I want to know...did she lip sync the music CDs?
:p
I bet she did! They just sound to good to be live.:blink::p

[-MihaiL-]

I bet she did! They just sound to good to be live.:blink::p

haha very funny, as much a rhetorical question as it was you still did manage to answer. :D
But I must say that indeed she sounds so incredible on her studio CDs. I can't believe my years everytime I tune in, go figure... :wub:

[Moi-aimes-Alizée]

In the past she lip-synched most of her performances and I don't have a problem with that. To do the JEAM dance *and* sound good is simply not possible live, she'd be hout of breath in no time. Also, while she has a great voice she is not the perfect live singer...


She sings great live and it's nothing wrong with that she is lipsyncing in a few preformances yes. But after all it's as people says a very common thing to do.

[fsquared]

She sings great live and it's nothing wrong with that she is lipsyncing in a few preformances yes. But after all it's as people says a very common thing to do.

As long as "a few" above means "almost all" then I think we're all in agreement here.

Btw I was listening to ML, ACC and so forth and it struck me that her voice is quite heavily chorused in many places in the first two albums. Some people were complaining about 50/60's heavy voice processing, but I think it's important to remember that the first two albums had lots of effects too.

[-MihaiL-]

As long as "a few" above means "almost all" then I think we're all in agreement here.

Btw I was listening to ML, ACC and so forth and it struck me that her voice is quite heavily chorused in many places in the first two albums. Some people were complaining about 50/60's heavy voice processing, but I think it's important to remember that the first two albums had lots of effects too.

I think almost all singers have those additional effects you are talking about, like the chorus voice etc.This, probably, is intented by the composer to create a better mood for the song, as he sees it. It's great! :)

[fsquared]

I think almost all singers have those additional effects you are talking about, like the chorus voice etc.This, probably, is intented by the composer to create a better mood for the song, as he sees it. It's great! :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything against it; I like the chorusing effects. It's just noting that they exist.

[lefty12357]

Vocal processing is a lot like sauce. It enhances the taste of good food, but it can’t cover up or fix food that is really bad tasting or of low quality to begin with. Some processing is done to replace what is lost in the studio environment and some is done to intentionally alter the sound of the voice for creative or artistic reasons.

In any case, I like the sound of Alizée’s voice. It’s as if the sound of it is harmonically tuned to resonate deep inside me, as if it perfectly fills all the nooks and crannies of a void I have. I have a feeling many of you probably feel the same way...:)