Changes to Alizee's myspace

[Future Raptor Ace]

Did anyone notice pictures and video are no longer allowed on her myspace

[ALS]

The site is probably burning through too much bandwidth.

[Future Raptor Ace]

nahh its myspace, there are profiles that have so much more

[Tchaikovsky]

Well that sucks...

[Paulina]

I think it's because some dude there put a photoshoped pic with Alizee's face on it.

[TheBarrett]

It's MySpace, that's the easy answer. :)

[Idéaliser]

LOL barrett wins :D

[Future Raptor Ace]

I think it's because some dude there put a photoshoped pic with Alizee's face on it.
<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->hmmm i shall look for the pic in which you speak of

Wow that came out weird

[Ruroshen]

I think it's because some dude there put a photoshoped pic with Alizee's face on it.
I think I know the one you're talking about--he kept spamming it over and over again, with the message "YOU LOOK GREAT WITH NO CLOTHS ON!!!" or whatever. What a douche...

Worst thing about it was that it was such an obviously terrible fake. Helen Keller would have had no difficulty in telling it wasn't really Alizée.

[Tchaikovsky]

Was it a naked picture as well?

[Future Raptor Ace]

wait your telling me there was an @hole posting fake nude Alizee pictures on her myspace? Wow that person is a douche and deserves to get his ass kicked
*feels bad for Alizee. Its ok Lily we all know you have a squeaky clean record

[TheBarrett]

Need a Berserker to work up his mentally achieved rage to hunt this person down and brutally own him with a warhammer? :p

[Tchaikovsky]

Here, maybe this will calm you down

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nice

[Future Raptor Ace]

Need a Berserker to work up his mentally achieved rage to hunt this person down and brutally own him with a warhammer? :p
Dam strait, I mean that had to be a bit degrading and humiliating for Alizee. Poor Alizee :(

[Ruroshen]

Was it a naked picture as well?
If Paulina and I are indeed talking about the same one, then no, it wasn't a nude fake. Truth be told, it wasn't even as "revealing" as the paparazzi pics of Lili in the blue bikini...but a terrible, obvious photochop of her face on somebody else's body in a provocative pose, spammed over and over again in a display of blatantly trollish douchery.

While I'm on record as saying that the one place Alizée kinda falls down is in terms of involving and communicating with her fans, incidents like this make me appreciate why she might want to keep us at arm's length. Sad but true.

[NarutoSoul]

If Paulina and I are indeed talking about the same one, then no, it wasn't a nude fake. Truth be told, it wasn't even as "revealing" as the paparazzi pics of Lili in the blue bikini...but a terrible, obvious photochop of her face on somebody else's body in a provocative pose, spammed over and over again in a display of blatantly trollish douchery.

While I'm on record as saying that the one place Alizée kinda falls down is in terms of involving and communicating with her fans, incidents like this make me appreciate why she might want to keep us at arm's length. Sad but true.
She wouldn't need to worry if she hired me as her personal attack dog. She points, I attack, I get paid in smiles!

[Idéaliser]

Naruto maybe that would be your lucky break eh?

[HelixSix]

I don't blame her one bit, she gets this kind of crap on youtube also.

I'm guessing basically none of us have experienced people we don't know making alterations and fakery of our photos. I've had some people disgrace my signatures before on another forum and even that was infuriating....and it wasn't even a picture of me.

[Idéaliser]

So you'd prolly have to multiply that infuriating feeling by like 1000x if it WAS you, and you were famous, and those disgraceful pictures could potentially put you out of the job o_o

[NarutoSoul]

So you'd prolly have to multiply that infuriating feeling by like 1000x if it WAS you, and you were famous, and those disgraceful pictures could potentially put you out of the job o_o
All the more reason to have me as an attack dog! She sics me on a douchebag ONCE, and no one would dare to mess with her after seeing what happens to that guy.

[RadioactiveMan]

When you go after a douchebag and come back in a body bag, we'll be worse off than before.

[TheBarrett]

Who needs an attack dog, when she can have an attack viking! :D

[Ruroshen]

Need a Berserker to work up his mentally achieved rage to hunt this person down and brutally own him with a warhammer? :p

All the more reason to have me as an attack dog! She sics me on a douchebag ONCE, and no one would dare to mess with her after seeing what happens to that guy.

Not for nothin', I know it's all in fun, but I'm pretty sure statements like these may also contribute to her wanting to keep us at arm's length...y'know what I mean? ;)

It's OK sometimes to limit yourselves to 'Wow, that sucks, I feel bad for her', and stop just shy of 'I'm going to beat the offender to a bloody pulp and feed him his own appendix!' You won't seem like less of a fan if you do, promise.

(You may, however, seem like more of a sane person, which can only lead to rainbows and puppy dogs.)

I'm just sayin', is all. :D

[TheBarrett]

What?
For all I know the guy probably plays an MMORPG.
Then I could make a Berserker/Warrior class and get the greatest warhammer in the game and p00n him.

What are you thinking? :p

[wmedia]

En engi myndi það þora að segja sjálfum honum þau verk hans er allir þeir er heyrðu vissu að hégómi væri og skrök, og svo sjálfur hann. Það væri þá háð, en eigi lof.:mad:

[JCC]

En engi myndi það þora að segja sjálfum honum þau verk hans er allir þeir er heyrðu vissu að hégómi væri og skrök, og svo sjálfur hann. Það væri þá háð, en eigi lof.:mad:

Um, what..?

[wmedia]

Um, what..?

Just coments on the douche thats spamming her myspace.

[Tomtentp]

En engi myndi það þora að segja sjálfum honum þau verk hans er allir þeir er heyrðu vissu að hégómi væri og skrök, og svo sjálfur hann. Það væri þá háð, en eigi lof.:mad:

Yeah, I totally agree! (I think)

And for those who walk the earth with the illusion that Alizée or someone from her staff will ever read this thread and then make an honest safety report due to the use of such obvious jokes made here, it's not gonna happen. (Im refering to the vigorous vikings and forlorn warriors)

I saw that picture when i tried to post my congratulations, it's not even close of looking real. Can't see why she would be offended by that, it could be so much worse and this was only one guy. Bann him from her myspace, end of story. If this is the reason she wouldn't answer to all the other thousands posters than i think it's a pretty lame one.

[NarutoSoul]

Not for nothin', I know it's all in fun, but I'm pretty sure statements like these may also contribute to her wanting to keep us at arm's length...y'know what I mean? ;)

It's OK sometimes to limit yourselves to 'Wow, that sucks, I feel bad for her', and stop just shy of 'I'm going to beat the offender to a bloody pulp and feed him his own appendix!' You won't seem like less of a fan if you do, promise.

(You may, however, seem like more of a sane person, which can only lead to rainbows and puppy dogs.)

I'm just sayin', is all. :D
I never specified the NATURE of my attack... I can mess with heads just as easily as I mess with bodies. :D

[ggin]

I saw that picture when i tried to post my congratulations, it's not even close of looking real. Can't see why she would be offended by that,{ it could be so much worse and this was only one guy. Bann him from her myspace, end of story. If this is the reason she wouldn't answer to all the other thousands posters than i think it's a pretty lame one.

Well, I could see that she wouldn't want it on her page 1) just because of the picture itself and 2) she wouldn't want some people to think it might be her. We're all "experts" and can see the obvious fake, but some may not. Also why have it remain there if it's not related to her?

Now if you read some of the comments posted along with the picture, then you no doubt understand why she (and everyone else) would be offended!

I agree that the poster should be banned, not just from her page but from MySpace entirely. Could he get banned from the entire internet? :p

I don't think this is the reason you didn't get a response from your posts, however. She rarely (if ever?) responds to any posts for any reason. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice for just a general "thanks to all", but if you post for the purpose of getting something in return, you just might be disappointed.

[Rachelizee]

I know it's like a universal law or something but WHY does one thoughtless idiot always have to go and spoil it for everybody else ?!? :mad:

[Just a Guest]

I saw that picture when i tried to post my congratulations, it's not even close of looking real.

I've seen that too and unless that guy's account was hacked, I'm not really surprised anymore about what he is doing... :blink:
He crossed the border of beiing a wacko.
(just for safety I saved a screengrab of it...:D:p)

I agree that the poster should be banned, not just from her page but from MySpace entirely. Could he get banned from the entire internet?

He should have been banned from all Alizée forums years ago. Basically since his appearance then.
He spoiled a lot of fun by pissing vinegar on many people's shoes.:(
But (most) people seems to like that and appreciate it for some reason.
It's a pathetic attentionw%#re imo.:)

I have no clue at all why his behaviour is tolerated.:confused:

[TheBarrett]

Well to continue the horrible obscenities and insults to be thrown to him in another language...:D

Diya harus mati di lokasi yang ennga bagus, lokasi yang mati di hati.

[Roman]

1. I'm glad that I didn't see what ever it was.
2. can't one block a specific user from posting on one's account?
3. Alizée doesn't respond to posts on MySpace. If she does it was a fluke or to a friend or colleague. Don't expect it no matter what you say.

[Future Raptor Ace]

1. I'm glad that I didn't see what ever it was.
2. can't one block a specific user from posting on one's account?
3. Alizée doesn't respond to posts on MySpace. If she does it was a fluke or to a friend or colleague. Don't expect it no matter what you say.

agreed.
Also I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the amount of comments on her page per day have went down dramatically.

[Tchaikovsky]

agreed.
Also I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the amount of comments on her page per day have went down dramatically.
I myself haven't posted on her Myspace in a while.

[lefty12357]

agreed.
Also I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the amount of comments on her page per day have went down dramatically.

Yeah, page visits and comments are down. I suppose since she hasn't logged into her myspace very much in the last month or so, there doesn't seem much point to leave a comment since she will probably never see it. I would imagine once she starts logging in on a regular basis again, visits and comments will go back up.

I think she needs to send out a bulletin from time to time just to let her fans know that she appreciates them. She doesn't have to say much, just the act alone will suffice. We all believe she probably appreciates us, but it sure would be wonderful to hear it occasionally. I don't think its too much to ask, and it would only take a moment of her time.

[Ruroshen]

I have to admit that not only have I never posted on her MySpace, I haven't even bothered to request she add me as a friend. What would be the point? Its sole purpose appears to be to provide the illusion of fan interaction. Even when she does log in on a regular basis, it's rare that she updates anything, and actual communication is non-existant. It's a one-way conversation, at best. I do visit it from time to time to see what other fans have to say, and check out the tribute works they'd post there...but since the blocks on videos and pictures, there hasn't been a point in doing that, either.

I think she needs to send out a bulletin from time to time just to let her fans know that she appreciates them. She doesn't have to say much, just the act alone will suffice. We all believe she probably appreciates us, but it sure would be wonderful to hear it occasionally. I don't think its too much to ask, and it would only take a moment of her time.

Exactly. I'm not looking for personal replies to every post made on her page, nor Lindsay Lohan-esque blog diatribes about whatever personal drama is being paraded through the tabloids. I respect Lili's privacy and her desire to maintain a barrier between her family and her fans, and I appreciate that she's busy. All it would take is a few lines every now and then--"Hi, I'm still alive, I'm still paying attention, this is what I'm doing or will be doing soon in very broad terms, thank you for sticking around." It wouldn't take a whole lot of time or effort, and I think it would go a long way in terms of keeping fans interested, and making them feel like they counted.

[Sir Wood]

True a little bulletin/"shout out" now and then to the fans would be nice. It's puzzling why this doesn't happen. One could come up with many reasons and excuses, but the fact is the fact -- all one sees is when she or whomever has last logged on. Come on Lili, throw us a bone! ;)

But I also like it now that HTML is blocked in the comments. You have to admit that some were getting rather annoying, like those that autoplay and you'd have to scroll in search of the culprit(s) to silence.

[Roman]

True a little bulletin/"shout out" now and then to the fans would be nice. It's puzzling why this doesn't happen. One could come up with many reasons and excuses, but the fact is the fact -- all one sees is when she or whomever has last logged on. Come on Lili, throw us a bone! ;)

But I also like it now that HTML is blocked in the comments. You have to admit that some were getting rather annoying, like those that autoplay and you'd have to scroll in search of the culprit(s) to silence.
Yeah, I had a little talk with the guy posting the autoplay stuff a while back and he stopped after realizing the affect of what he was doing. It's amazing that's necessary, but ...
I don't know if there was any more of that, but now we can't post nice photos for Alizée's birthday or whatever. Still, it's fine if she gets nice messages from us. But yes, I guess some people should send her a private message suggesting that she communicate more with her fans. I mean at the least she could send us messages to let us know when she's making some public appearance. But that's never happened nor does she keep her own web site up to date with that. I really hope one day she realizes how important it is to her career (and maybe our morale at the same time).

[TheBarrett]

Well I had this canny idea to just ask everyone to stop posting comments on her page for about a week to prove our point...

But that was kind of mean and I didn't want that.

So I have no idea what you all want! :D

[mavsluver41]

But yes, I guess some people should send her a private message suggesting that she communicate more with her fans...I really hope one day she realizes how important it is to her career (and maybe our morale at the same time).

Is it possible that she's become a little, for lack of a better word, complacent with regard to her fans. I don't mean this in a bad way, I'm just saying that perhaps she's become accustomed to our unwavering devotion and love, regardless of her level of fan-interaction. Because honestly, even if she hasn't acknowledged or shown appreciation for the support, it hasn't stopped people from posting "je t'aime" on her myspace daily. The PM is a good idea, as it might wake her from this reverie she's in ("Its okay if I don't thank them, they'll still be here tomorrow...").

I could be completely wrong though. She might be too busy, or even better, she might be preparing to throw a concert so unbelievably spectacular, she will never have to thank us again :p .

But let's face it, we do spoil her with our steadfast love and support :wub::p. I doubt any other artist can maintain such a powerful fan base with the level of interaction she is currently displaying. But then again, she's Lili. :cool:

[Future Raptor Ace]

Yeah, I had a little talk with the guy posting the autoplay stuff a while back and he stopped after realizing the affect of what he was doing. It's amazing that's necessary, but ...
I don't know if there was any more of that, but now we can't post nice photos for Alizée's birthday or whatever. Still, it's fine if she gets nice messages from us. But yes, I guess some people should send her a private message suggesting that she communicate more with her fans. I mean at the least she could send us messages to let us know when she's making some public appearance. But that's never happened nor does she keep her own web site up to date with that. I really hope one day she realizes how important it is to her career (and maybe our morale at the same time).
Isn't there a person on this site who claims that Alizee posted on his/her page?

[Sir Wood]

Well I had this canny idea to just ask everyone to stop posting comments on her page for about a week to prove our point...

But that was kind of mean and I didn't want that.

So I have no idea what you all want! :D
How about "Operation T-Bone", as in Lili throw us a bone, and do a coordinated PM/MySpace mail containing the same subject title and message? :p

"Bercent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone"

Isn't there a person on this site who claims that Alizee posted on his/her page?
Maybe the first few "friends" to be added when the account first became live. I think Cooney may have been one of these people.

It's not like she has to address each person, which would be awesome if she did, but she could just send out a MySpace Bulletin to all those on her friends list would make a world of a difference.

[Roman]

Is it possible that she's become a little, for lack of a better word, complacent with regard to her fans. I don't mean this in a bad way, I'm just saying that perhaps she's become accustomed to our unwavering devotion and love, regardless of her level of fan-interaction. Because honestly, even if she hasn't acknowledged or shown appreciation for the support, it hasn't stopped people from posting "je t'aime" on her myspace daily. The PM is a good idea, as it might wake her from this reverie she's in ("Its okay if I don't thank them, they'll still be here tomorrow...").

I could be completely wrong though. She might be too busy, or even better, she might be preparing to throw a concert so unbelievably spectacular, she will never have to thank us again :p .

But let's face it, we do spoil her with our steadfast love and support :wub::p. I doubt any other artist can maintain such a powerful fan base with the level of interaction she is currently displaying. But then again, she's Lili. :cool:
Well, I don't know how that could be in a neutral way, but I think you may be right.
She was almost unheard from for almost 4 years and still had a horde of adoring fans. But there were some differences between then and now. I don't hold it against her that she doesn't post messages on her MySpace, but she seems to have no organised public relations campaign nor is she close with her fans.

Her Alizee-officiel.com web site news section was not even edited recently enough to bother mentioning her concerts. If we want to advertise her, there's no good official place to send people since no one maintains any site well enough.

It's cool to have an official site like she's big enough and popular enough to have it and it's pretty and all, but if she doesn't even add a little text to say I'm going to be doing a concert on this date, go here to find out what's going on or I'm going to be on Star Academy on this date, check it out here, then I don't know what. The MySpace is the closest thing there is to an official site where new fans can go and there are no links there to more information or fan sites. She effectively has barely any official presence in this world. Therefore, her fans are carrying her. That's fine. That's great - to the degree it works.

I think we must be careful to not start expecting too much from her, but for her own sake I think she needs to realize she has gotten complacent or it looks like it. I don't know if she can any longer create a sense of mystery that bates people's interest, but any way you look at it, there needs to be a place where people can count on getting the latest news and there needs to regularly be some news.

[Topaz]

But what if there is no new news? ;)



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[wmedia]

But what if there is no new news? ;)


There is always some news, maby not in an epic scale like a baby or an album, but we care a lot of Alizée, and little things like:

"The dance lesson today went great" or "mmm today im enjoying the sun" is big news for us :wub:

[mavsluver41]

"The dance lesson today went great" or "mmm today im enjoying the sun" is big news for us :wub:

Dear diary, today I visited the dentist, cleaned out the closet, and sorted my socks :p . I call for a blog!

[Future Raptor Ace]

the news is college is hard and limits my time on this site and time to think about Alizee = (

[lilly]

She seriously needs to get a better PR. Who ever's handling her marketing is doing a lousy job. She's extremely lucky she's got hardcore fans like some people here. But there is only so much that brad,snatcher,roman,rmj,etc can do for her in terms of publicity.
Her official site has waay too much bling bling than actual content. And it is not even on the first page on google search.
Trying googling alizee today and you get a fake pic, two beach pics and links to alizee wikipedia, alizee-forums,alizee america, youtube,askmen,etc but NO official site. :(

[Max]

But what if there is no new news? ;)

I don't any mention of Mexico concerts on her official site.

[Roman]

But what if there is no new news? ;)
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Ok, I guess I can easily overdo this topic, but look, she's not emailing us any "newletter" nor even the dates she will be in concert or on tv shows. She's not even posting when a new edition of her album is being released. There's nothing on her official site since like April. Point made.

I can put up with it, but it's more difficult to be a fan when there's no real official communication link. There is a reason why pretty much all businesses of any significance have a web site. People go there to find out stuff. I hope Alizée is not considered or doesn't consider herself insignificant. Maybe they just figure that the only significant fan base is Mexican. Maybe the "official" Mexican fan club web sites are carrying all this. What do you think?

[RadioactiveMan]

alizee-officiel isn't her website- it's the label's and we all know how great they are to fans.

[MonteCristo]

I know it's like a universal law or something but WHY does one thoughtless idiot always have to go and spoil it for everybody else ?!? :mad:

The world has dumb people, the world has smart people who like to be dumb, the world has smart people who pretend to be dumb, so hey will seem innocent. Theres more of these people in the world than you think.....like half the planet, including the United States,Russian, and Chinese government, plus the upper classes of Earth unforetunetly. However unfair it might seem for smart fools with no logic and wisdom to run the world, it is the job of both smart and strong to stand right side up in an upside down world. That one person who spoils something for everyone else, not only deserves to be punished, but exiled...no second chances....if mother nature had ever given anything a second chance, we would all probably be in cages with ropes around our necks fighting gorillas right now. Unforetunetly, society expects us to be tolerable of people to the point of cowardness, as in our policy with Russia invading Joirgia, the Cold War, and Vietnam. So hold your anger for the time to come. The gunpowder has been left under the biulding.....its close to the time when someone discovers it and stupidly smokes a cigar and accidently drops it on the trigger line.

[Tomtentp]

The world has dumb people, the world has smart people who like to be dumb, the world has smart people who pretend to be dumb, so hey will seem innocent. Theres more of these people in the world than you think.....like half the planet, including the United States,Russian, and Chinese government, plus the upper classes of Earth unforetunetly. However unfair it might seem for smart fools with no logic and wisdom to run the world, it is the job of both smart and strong to stand right side up in an upside down world. That one person who spoils something for everyone else, not only deserves to be punished, but exiled...no second chances....if mother nature had ever given anything a second chance, we would all probably be in cages with ropes around our necks fighting gorillas right now. Unforetunetly, society expects us to be tolerable of people to the point of cowardness, as in our policy with Russia invading Joirgia, the Cold War, and Vietnam. So hold your anger for the time to come. The gunpowder has been left under the biulding.....its close to the time when someone discovers it and stupidly smokes a cigar and accidently drops it on the trigger line.

Funny how you managed to turn this to a 'surivival of the fittest' issue. even thou this is very off-topic i often philosophy around this, how we as a race are decaying due to breaking loose from this force of nature.

Anyway, try to scale it down abit. This is one persons pathetic cries for attention, all he does is consuming your energy, don't give in to it. If you want him to stop, the best you can do is to simply ignore him.

[Sir Wood]

Ok, I guess I can easily overdo this topic, but look, she's not emailing us any "newletter" nor even the dates she will be in concert or on tv shows. She's not even posting when a new edition of her album is being released. There's nothing on her official site since like April. Point made.

I can put up with it, but it's more difficult to be a fan when there's no real official communication link. There is a reason why pretty much all businesses of any significance have a web site. People go there to find out stuff. I hope Alizée is not considered or doesn't consider herself insignificant. Maybe they just figure that the only significant fan base is Mexican. Maybe the "official" Mexican fan club web sites are carrying all this. What do you think?
I'm sure if this was true someone would have mentioned these "latest" news to us here or at AF. I just took a quick look at the 3 main Mexican sites (that I know of) and it would appear that they are in the same boat as far as the latest news department. :(

[Deepwaters]

It's occurred to me that Alizée may be going through some crap of late and we all need to cut her some slack. I don't know the nature of it, but from the silence, which isn't like her, and from some other indications that I won't go into, I have a feeling all is not well.

Good wishes at this point are more appropriate, in my opinion, that adding to the problems with undue criticism. She'll be back. Give it a little time.

[Ben]

but from the silence, which isn't like her
It isn't? I survived nearly four years of total silence that left us guessing. Maybe that's why this one hasn't really bothered me yet. Though I agree, the concert and DVD cancellations can't be good...

[Amigo!]

Though I agree, the concert and DVD cancellations can't be good...

Ok just to make sure everyone understands the situation as I have read it..

Zeus el presidente de Alizée México keepin it real...

Yo no dije que no habría disco del Tour, hay uno que es CD+DVD llamado "Psychédélices Tour Editión", pero eso es otra onda, lo que yo dije es que no habrá DVD de los conciertos en México, lo aclaro nomas para que no se preste a confusiones.

Loosely translated...

"I never said there wouldn't be a disc of the tour, there is a CD+DVD called "Psychédélices Tour Editión" but thats another story, what I said is there will not be a DVD of the concerts in México, i'm making it very clear so that there is no more confusion"

So... If we do get a DVD of ANY concerts (Which is not yet confirmed) it will be a while before it happens.:cool:

[Ben]

Yes, though at one point a DVD of the Mexican shows was talked about, so something has been canceled or changed. Maybe not so bad by itself, but along with the dropped European dates it doesn't bode well.

[Amigo!]

Yes, though at one point a DVD of the Mexican shows was talked about, so something has been canceled or changed. Maybe not so bad by itself, but along with the dropped European dates it doesn't bode well.

Yeah... It's tough to accept that some things just aren't going well, but it seems to me that with everything that I witnessed in mexico, everything can't be all bad. Lili has shown us that she is tough and not the kind of person to give up on anything so easily. Believe me It sucks not to hear or see anything from her even for a few months, so I'm just going to ride it out and see what happens. Remember... Patience is a virtue, oh impatient ones :cool::p

Dedicated Lili fan,
Amigo! ;)

[wmedia]

Maby one of you that attended to the Mexican conserts know: Was there proffesional videocameras that recorded the concerts ?

The cameras are big and bulky, so its easy to spot, and for a DVD production it's likely they use 3 or more cameras and probably a crane over the public

[NarutoSoul]

Remember... Patience is a virtue, oh impatient ones :cool::p

Dedicated Lili fan,
Amigo! ;)
Patience IS a virtue... But since when has virtuosity been beneficial in modern life?:D

[Ben]

Maby one of you that attended to the Mexican conserts know: Was there proffesional videocameras that recorded the concerts ?

The cameras are big and bulky, so its easy to spot, and for a DVD production it's likely they use 3 or more cameras and probably a crane over the public
My response to that a couple months ago:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=718153

Certainly the change/cancellation could be due to lack of decent footage, rather than a business decision. But who knows?

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

My response to that a couple months ago:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=718153

Certainly the change/cancellation could be due to lack of decent footage, rather than a business decision. But who knows?

There was only 1 camera in the Auditorio Nacional but that was for the big screens on both sides of the stage.

Althought i remember hearing some people saw cameras in the Puebla and Monterrey Concerts. I still think they are waiting to record the concerts from France.

[Ben]

There was only 1 camera in the Auditorio Nacional but that was for the big screens on both sides of the stage.
I counted at least 4, probably more. Even the screens used multiple angels (edit: angles too :P).

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5509/rcs06172008mq0.jpg

[MonteCristo]

Funny how you managed to turn this to a 'surivival of the fittest' issue. even thou this is very off-topic i often philosophy around this, how we as a race are decaying due to breaking loose from this force of nature.

Anyway, try to scale it down abit. This is one persons pathetic cries for attention, all he does is consuming your energy, don't give in to it. If you want him to stop, the best you can do is to simply ignore him.

Hehe, i love relating stuff from the smallest things to the big stuff thats going on in the world. You see, its all these small things in the world we dont take notice of that turns us into who we are.

My lack of faith in mankind to fix its grudges and immature actions is not strong.....but no matter how small, im holding onto that hope that one day everyone would realize we are all the same, we are human kin, and we have been fighting and disagreeing over pathetic things like brothers and sisters do

[Amigo!]

Patience IS a virtue... But since when has virtuosity been beneficial in modern life?:D

First learn stand... then learn fly... nature's rule... Naruto-san, not mine. :cool:


:p

[Future Raptor Ace]

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does this sound like people we know? Just change Slim to Alizee and we got a song for you guys! I'm just kidding of course though.


EDIT: just noticed her Mademoiselle Juliette video (the one on her myspace) does not work anymore

[Roman]

...
Loosely translated...
"I never said there wouldn't be a disc of the tour, there is a CD+DVD called "Psychédélices Tour Editión" but thats another story, what I said is there will not be a DVD of the concerts in México, i'm making it very clear so that there is no more confusion"
So... If we do get a DVD of ANY concerts (Which is not yet confirmed) it will be a while before it happens.:cool:
Ok, so we got our news from Mexican radio stations and the Mexican fan club and hey, what do you know, NidAlizée is back to magically having news out of nowhere - the Jive Epic thing, if that's actually happening.

And, yeah, I don't ever want to see me "giving Alizée crap", but one can't help notice things that seem obviously should be different and can be.

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does this sound like people we know? Just change Slim to Alizee and we got a song for you guys! I'm just kidding of course though.
...
You shouldn't be kidding. Alizée has her share of fans like that and you might see just how real it gets. My avatar line says: "the bird in a gilded cage" for a reason. But, however much obsession I've had with Alizée, I'm never going to be one of those fans. I eventually remember that she's a big rock star doing whatever her thing is that she does and she doesn't know me from Adam. The only way to get through to Alizée is to become the president of a big fan club or become really good at creating remixes I guess. Yeah, unless the US finds it's way to finally having an interest in Alizée in a serious way, it will be just like it's been for the last 4 years. Well, that's been pretty cool at times, but ask Snatcher42 about that. He's been here that whole time and so has Z3R0 and some others I guess. Oh, and the 4 years before that? I don't know.

However well Alizée is doing, last month there was another Mexican magazine out, albeit for kids, that had her all over it. And I'm guessing that all those huge Script billboards are still up around the freeways. I guess when people do care, the advertising dollars or pesos do come out. Ok, she's only had 6 concert dates since her return, but still ...

[mavsluver41]

I eventually remember that she's a big rock star doing whatever her thing is that she does and she doesn't know me from Adam. The only way to get through to Alizée is to become the president of a big fan club or become really good at creating remixes I guess.

You have an enormous, permanent depiction of her on your back that you had the opportunity of showing her. You've seen the face she made when she saw it. You really think she doesn't remember you? Maybe not by name, but you have come closer than possibly any other Lili fan (except maybe RMJ?).

I never even wrote a letter to her or posted on her myspace simply because I knew I could never do or say anything that someone else hadn't already. How many times can you read "I love you," "come to ______ please," or "you are an angel, can I have your autograph." Artists can't worry about single fans, it becomes too tedious. They can, however, worry about specific fan bases - that obviously is our challenge: to get her to notice us.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

need a berserker to work up his mentally achieved rage to hunt this person down and brutally own him with a warhammer? :p
i'm on it

"juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuung aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactionnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(Jung Action)

[Just a Guest]

MySpace updated!
New piccie, all the vids, and she's promoting herself for MTV-latino.
Hehe, clever! :D
http://www.myspace.com/alizeeofficiel
http://a783.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/m_3b08cde4ddaf8e872d1a62f4657e4ade.jpg (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=174804775)

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/badou28/mtv1.jpg (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vczIwNy5waG90b2J1Y2tldC5jb20vYWxidW1zL2 JiMTM1L2JhZG91MjgvP2FjdGlvbj12aWV3JmN1cnJlbnQ9bXR2 MS5qcGc=)

[Tomtentp]

http://a783.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/m_3b08cde4ddaf8e872d1a62f4657e4ade.jpg

Why does she always do that thing with her mouth, it's killing me (in a good way).

[Future Raptor Ace]

Why does she always do that thing with her mouth, it's killing me (in a good way).
haha yeah i hear you bro, its so cute. I bet you Anniely already has the same habit as her mommy. :rolleyes:
Also those look like men's jeans, way to big and baggy on her, she is probably wearing Jeremy's. I love it when girls wear your cloths = )

[TheBarrett]

Ewww, Jonas Brothers...
Tokio Hotel?
Paramore?
Katy Perry?

What kind of a sick game is this, Alizee is way too much of a goddess to be stuck with such, minor acts of mainstream. I'd expect with the crappy musical influx today, Jonas Brothers are going to win that contest, simply because most people today are musically DEAF.

(end rant*) (temporary*)

[Future Raptor Ace]

Ewww, Jonas Brothers...
Tokio Hotel?
Paramore?
Katy Perry?

What kind of a sick game is this, Alizee is way too much of a goddess to be stuck with such, minor acts of mainstream. I'd expect with the crappy musical influx today, Jonas Brothers are going to win that contest, simply because most people today are musically DEAF.

(end rant*) (temporary*)
Hey I like Katy Perry. She kissed a girl and she liked it, that's hott :D
No but seriously she has god music, what's wrong with her?

[Topaz]

Hey I like Katy Perry. ... what's wrong with her?

Not a thing. :) A great artist\performer.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/sokologo-sm-vert.jpghttp://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/A-005.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/small-1-1.gif

[Future Raptor Ace]

another change i noticed is her page takes long to load now = (

[Future Raptor Ace]

yeah she did that once when i woke up, she was only on for like 5 min

[edgar93]

Do you think Alizee is the one who manages "her" myspace?

Im pretty shure is the record label.

[Lerxst]

Do you think Alizee is the one who manages "her" myspace?

Im pretty shure is the record label.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the record label barely knows she exists. :p

[Youpidou1]

There is no point in having a myspace if your not the one checking it. You have friends on it and fans. Wouldn't you like to hear and see the comments? Rather then have someone else manage the profile and send messages out that's not really you? I am sure she has time for it.

[Ruroshen]

Do you think Alizee is the one who manages "her" myspace?

Im pretty shure is the record label.

I actually suspect that it was Lili who managed it, at least at first, if only because her Top Friends space includes actual family and personal friends, some of whom would occaisionally leave messages for her from time to time. I tend to think the record label would instead link to other artists they'd want you to check out, or at least restrict it to "professional" friends who had something to do with the album, such as Jean Fauque. Plus, she's a self-confessed computer nerd, who at least once has expressed a preference for MySpace over Facebook. (Personally, I think she's high, but enh...friends can disagree and still be friends. :p)

Is she the one maintaining it now? No one but Lili herself can say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn it wasn't the case (though I do admit I'd be a little disappointed).

[Roman]

Actually, I'm pretty sure the record label barely knows she exists. :p
I'm more inclined to agree with that.

Well, she did at one time say it was her and frankly, no much happens there; so, why would you think it's anyone else. Yeah, she goes there and checks it out sometimes. I do believe that she sees what's there.

Further, I think the Psychedeclips web site is just Alizée and Jérémy, particularly since Jérémy owns the domain name. I'm really starting to think that the label has given up on her and that's why we see no advertisement for the concert and see not much of anything. In fact, I wonder if they are anymore having anything to do with her outside of Mexico. So, she's unable to run her own promotion and no one else is doing it and that's what we're seeing. If the Jive/Epic thing is true then maybe we'll see something in the future or maybe it's just because the contract still holds even though they are not bound to do anything. So, I can say that I guess that if Alizée holds the concert, it's entirely based on what she has done - which is create fans by doing some performances and interviews in the past and such. Well, 19 more days until the concert. We'll see what comes after that.

[Youpidou1]

Ruroshen love the new signature by the way, Could you make me one? Off topic but one fast post :D.

[Amigo!]

If the Jive/Epic thing is true then maybe we'll see something in the future or maybe it's just because the contract still holds even though they are not bound to do anything. So, I can say that I guess that if Alizée holds the concert

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showpost.php?p=737190&postcount=272

[Ruroshen]

Ruroshen love the new signature by the way, Could you make me one? Off topic but one fast post :D.
Thanks! I got quite a few compliments on the last one, so I decided to stick with the theme. Star Wars + Alizée = Two great tastes that taste great together! :D

I've never made a sig for anybody else before, but I'd be happy to give it a whirl. Drop me a PM with any ideas you have, and we'll go from there.

[Topaz]

I actually suspect that it was Lili who managed it, at least at first, if only because her Top Friends space includes actual family and personal friends, some of whom would occaisionally leave messages for her from time to time.

Is she the one maintaining it now? No one but Lili herself can say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn it wasn't the case (though I do admit I'd be a little disappointed).

You are correct about at first but as soon as word got out there was a new personal account created for family and friends which is set to "private".
My guess now is that there is some (a little) help with the "officiel" space. :)

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[lefty12357]

I think she said she managed her myspace herself, but as Topaz says I wouldn't doubt she may get some help. I have noticed that when she was out of town during Les Enfoirés, no one logged on her myspce for like a week. Also, during her vacation this summer (my guess is she went to the Maldives with her family) no one logged in for a while. This leads me to believe she still maintains the page mostly by herself, at least the day to day stuff. Maybe the major updates are done by somebody else.

I still say she should make use of the bulletin feature to connect with her fans more.

[Amigo!]

Psychedeclips doesn't want to open :confused:

:rolleyes:

[lefty12357]

I said in another thread 3 days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if it got shut down. I hope this is not the case, but I just tried it too, and it wouldn't open for me either...:(

[Amigo!]

I said in another thread 3 days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if it got shut down. I hope this is not the case, but I just tried it too, and it wouldn't open for me either...:(

It's working now :)

[lefty12357]

It's working now :)

You had me scared there for a moment...

[Ruroshen]

Posted yesterday in the comments on Lili's MySpace:

Hi Alizee you're my hero.
If you were a guy you'd have the most awesome mustache.

Best. Compliment. Ever. :D

[mavsluver41]

Posted yesterday in the comments on Lili's MySpace:



Best. Compliment. Ever. :D

:D:D:D:D. Oh man, my stomach hurts. That's going in my sig, thanks Ruroshen.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

she would truly have the most epic of mustaches for sure

odd that that comes up aye

[Lerxst]

:D:D:D:D. Oh man, my stomach hurts. That's going in my sig, thanks Ruroshen.

If you can photoshop a blond Alizee, then maybe...
Nah nevermind. :eek:

[mavsluver41]

If you can photoshop a blond Alizee, then maybe...
Nah nevermind. :eek:

Don't...tempt...me :p.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Don't...tempt...me :p.

fine..................tempt me instead:p:cool:

[edgar93]

If she is the one who manages her myspace, Im afraid the only thing she does is check for family or friends messages, and then read the 3 first comments on her myspace:blink:, and 1 or 2 letters.:(

I hope im mistaken

[Roman]

Someone must log in to approve the messages. They seem to do it in reverse order too, so the dates will go up as you go down the page until they finish the stored posts.

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

If she is the one who manages her myspace, Im afraid the only thing she does is check for family or friends messages, and then read the 3 first comments on her myspace:blink:, and 1 or 2 letters.:(

I hope im mistaken

Would you honestly read all the comments daily?
I wouldnt.

[rcs]

Wow! They moved up to the 26th? I thought they were frozen to the 25th still.

[lefty12357]

I think Alizée still manages her myspace mostly by herself. It’s too much of a coincidence that when she is out of town nobody logs in. The one exception I can think of is when she was in Mexico for an extended period of time. She logged in a few times then. Maybe on this trip she decided to take a vacation from her myspace too.

[Future Raptor Ace]

I think Alizée still manages her myspace mostly by herself. It’s too much of a coincidence that when she is out of town nobody logs in. The one exception I can think of is when she was in Mexico for an extended period of time. She logged in a few times then. Maybe on this trip she decided to take a vacation from her myspace too.
I agree. She's been out ever since RMJ has said she left France. Makes a lot of sense.

[edgar93]

Have you noticed that Alizee has reached 1,000,000 profile views on her myspace?

[Future Raptor Ace]

wow she hasnt been on or approved a comment in a while, I wonder whats up?

[TheBarrett]

wow she hasnt been on or approved a comment in a while, I wonder whats up?

Tinkerbell Fan Club meetings, gosh FRA don't you know priorities? :p

[Future Raptor Ace]

Tinkerbell Fan Club meetings, gosh FRA don't you know priorities? :p
*FRA shakes head @ Barrett* lol :rolleyes:

[Roman]

wow she hasnt been on or approved a comment in a while, I wonder whats up?
:( she should just turn back on the ability to comment then.
What happened Alizée? I guess we need to make another "we miss you" video.

[Deepwaters]

She's still on vacation is my guess. Just logged on a week ago to deal with the backlog and then disappeared again.

By the way, nobody logged on to that site while she was in Mexico and the U.S., so we have confirmation that she's still managing the page herself, if anyone doubted it.

[Ruroshen]

She's still on vacation is my guess. Just logged on a week ago to deal with the backlog and then disappeared again.

...or working hardcore on whatever's coming up next, be it renewed promotion for Psychedelices or a new album altogether. Personally, I really hope this is the case.

By the way, nobody logged on to that site while she was in Mexico and the U.S., so we have confirmation that she's still managing the page herself, if anyone doubted it.

While I still think it's highly dubious, Occam's Razor would suggest you're right.

[Vista]

I believe Alizee's father celebrated his birthday on Thursday November 21st... he was 50 years old. Alizee may have been in Ajaccio to help her father celebrate the 'big five-o'.

[Roman]

I believe Alizee's father celebrated his birthday on Thursday November 21st... he was 50 years old. Alizee may have been in Ajaccio to help her father celebrate the 'big five-o'.
Well, she said that she goes to Corsica at least once a month. As for no one logging into her MySpace page, Occam's razor aside, I hardly think that it's proof of anything.

[Deepwaters]

Well, she said that she goes to Corsica at least once a month.


Cool! I'm planning on spending several months there as soon as it's financially feasible. It's even possible that I'll eventually live there, as an expatriate author. (Yeah, I realize Paris is where you're supposed to do that. I'm weird; sue me.)


As for no one logging into her MySpace page, Occam's razor aside, I hardly think that it's proof of anything.

It's proof that the record label isn't handling it, nor someone she hired to do it, because then there would be no gaps when Alizée isn't home. The only other person who might be doing it on a schedule like that is Jérémy, and I doubt that, too, simply because I don't think she'd want him to freak out at some of the messages she gets. ;)

[Tchaikovsky]

Cool! I'm planning on spending several months there as soon as it's financially feasible. It's even possible that I'll eventually live there, as an expatriate author. (Yeah, I realize Paris is where you're supposed to do that. I'm weird; sue me.)
You gon live in Ajaccio?

[Deepwaters]

You gon live in Ajaccio?

I don't know yet that I'm going to live in Corsica. It's a magic thing: I've had visions of the place and been called to it for years, so I know I'm supposed to go and spend some time there. Maybe I'm supposed to live there, but maybe not.

If I do, though, probably it will be in Ajaccio, yes. I've corresponded with someone who comes from Corsica and he tells me it's the nicest town on the island.

[Deepwaters]

WOW Deepwaters, is your real name Ray Kinsella:)

LOL no; I'm just a witch. Come on, you live in San Francisco, you know about witches; we're thick on the ground here in the Bay Area.

This kind of thing happens to me all the time. One reason I have anything to do with this site is because I saw visions of Alizée before she was even born. When I first encountered her videos two years ago, I recognized her from those visions. I've been drawn to Corsica for a similar length of time, but I don't know if the two connections have anything to do with each other; I didn't know that the woman from my visions was from there until I found out about Alizée through normal means. It could be that what I'm supposed to do in Corsica, or part of what I'm supposed to do, involves her. But not necessarily. It could be something else entirely, or something else in addition. I'll find out eventually.

What I'm planning to do is to go there and let the island itself tell me why it's been calling me for years. Perhaps the people there will tell me. Perhaps I'll dream it. Perhaps it will be in the taste of the sea or the smell of the air. One way or another, it will be clear. I won't make the decision whether to emigrate until after that. Hopefully I'll be able to do it next year. It depends on getting my book published, but I'm increasingly hopeful about doing that, due to recent events.

[Vista]

Deepwaters:
... What I'm planning to do is to go there and let the island itself tell me...


Sounds like a variation of something the character John Locke on the 'Lost' TV series might say.
Ref.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost

[mavsluver41]

Sounds like a variation of something the character John Locke on the 'Lost' TV series might say.
Ref.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost

Ooh, another 'Lost' fan (2 more months until season 5; I can hardly wait) :). Deep does sound quite Lock-ish here.

I don't know yet that I'm going to live in Corsica. It's a magic thing: I've had visions of the place and been called to it for years, so I know I'm supposed to go and spend some time there. Maybe I'm supposed to live there, but maybe not.

If I do, though, probably it will be in Ajaccio, yes. I've corresponded with someone who comes from Corsica and he tells me it's the nicest town on the island.

Considering, from what I've read and heard, that the Corsican culture is infused with the belief in the mystical, spiritual, and supernatural, I think you'd find yourself quite at home.

[edgar93]

LOL no; I'm just a witch. Come on, you live in San Francisco, you know about witches; we're thick on the ground here in the Bay Area.

This kind of thing happens to me all the time. One reason I have anything to do with this site is because I saw visions of Alizée before she was even born. When I first encountered her videos two years ago, I recognized her from those visions. I've been drawn to Corsica for a similar length of time, but I don't know if the two connections have anything to do with each other; I didn't know that the woman from my visions was from there until I found out about Alizée through normal means. It could be that what I'm supposed to do in Corsica, or part of what I'm supposed to do, involves her. But not necessarily. It could be something else entirely, or something else in addition. I'll find out eventually.

What I'm planning to do is to go there and let the island itself tell me why it's been calling me for years. Perhaps the people there will tell me. Perhaps I'll dream it. Perhaps it will be in the taste of the sea or the smell of the air. One way or another, it will be clear. I won't make the decision whether to emigrate until after that. Hopefully I'll be able to do it next year. It depends on getting my book published, but I'm increasingly hopeful about doing that, due to recent events.

Interesting :). Didn't know you had visions, that had be cool :cool:, to dream of her, without knowing her, and then, some years later, realize that you have been dreaming of Alizee :wub:. I would love to live in France, europe attracts me so much, but if its talking about Alizee, I would live in Paris, where she is everyday. Maybe a lot more expensive than Ajaccio, though :blink:

[TheBarrett]

Interesting :). Didn't know you had visions, that had be cool :cool:, to dream of her, without knowing her, and then, some years later, realize that you have been dreaming of Alizee :wub:. I would love to live in France, europe attracts me so much, but if its talking about Alizee, I would live in Paris, where she is everyday. Maybe a lot more expensive than Ajaccio, though :blink:

Visions are the mind's wandering.
Also, most of Europe is more expensive than North America. So get to working boy! :p

[edgar93]

Visions are the mind's wandering.
Also, most of Europe is more expensive than North America. So get to working boy! :p

Mmm, good point :p. I think I should start working at a McDonalds as a part-time job ;)

[TheBarrett]

Mmm, good point :p. I think I should start working at a McDonalds as a part-time job ;)

Don't.
I recommend internships, cooking, or Ebay seller. :)

[edgar93]

Don't.
I recommend internships, cooking, or Ebay seller. :)

Ok, but Im not so good at cooking, and I'm only 14 so I can't be an Ebay seller :)

[TheBarrett]

Ok, but Im not so good at cooking, and I'm only 14 so I can't be an Ebay seller :)

Bad time to start learning an instrument I see?
Never to late, pick up a bass! (And join the gazillion other bassists of this forum :p)

[Amigo!]

pick up a bass! (And join the gazillion other bassists of this forum :p)

Yeah... Barrett is afraid of competition. ;)

[woohoo]

Bad time to start learning an instrument I see?
Never to late, pick up a bass! (And join the gazillion other bassists of this forum :p)

Gazillion what are you talking about.

[TheBarrett]

Gazillion what are you talking about.

Ask almost anyone, they're probably a bassist, and even if they're not, they'll say they are. :p

[Ben]

It's proof that the record label isn't handling it, nor someone she hired to do it, because then there would be no gaps when Alizée isn't home.
Or that the staff are on vacation too?

[Ruroshen]

Or that the staff are on vacation too?
That was my thought as well...but like I said, Occam's razor...

She did log on today, incidentally (or somebody did, anyway) but didn't approve any incoming messages. :(

Not to kick her while she's down, but I quite honestly don't see the point of her even having a MySpace, at this point. There isn't even the attempt being made to maintain the illusion of interactivity anymore, y'know?

[lefty12357]

That was my thought as well...but like I said, Occam's razor...

She did log on today, incidentally (or somebody did, anyway) but didn't approve any incoming messages. :(

Not to kick her while she's down, but I quite honestly don't see the point of her even having a MySpace, at this point. There isn't even the attempt being made to maintain the illusion of interactivity anymore, y'know?

My feelings exactly...

If my record company left me hanging, I guess I would have felt even more inclined to maintain my visibility and interaction with fans through whatever means available in the interim.

[Deepwaters]

If my record company left me hanging, I guess I would have felt even more inclined to maintain my visibility and interaction with fans through whatever means available in the interim.

Which is why I don't believe the record company has anything to do with this silence.

[Lerxst]

Ask almost anyone, they're probably a bassist, and even if they're not, they'll say they are. :p

I took bass lessons when I was younger. Does that count? :cool:

[Amigo!]

I took bass lessons when I was younger. Does that count? :cool:

welcome! :p

[Ben]

Keep in mind there is no record label anymore. "Vacation" was a euphemism, really all those people are out of work or have found other jobs. And it doesn't sound like a new team is in place yet either. That's as much a reason for the lack of updates as anything. And personally one I'd like to believe, because if Alizée really did run that site solo, she did a terrible job.

Here's the deal. With most artists, I'm a fan of two things: their work and their talent. These days with Alizée, I'm around almost exclusively for her talent, because she seems to put so very little work in to her own career. I don't know if that's actually true, if there's not something going on behind the scenes we don't know about, but that's the impression - less effort than any other artist I've seen.

So one of two things has to happen. Either she starts making the effort, or if she already is and we just aren't seeing it, then she's gotta figure out how to manage public relations so that we do. That is of course when she wants to resume her career. I'm fine with a break, and am talking as much about when Psychédélices promotion was in full swing as I am about now. None of it's been quite right.

I guess the point is... more important than who manages her MySpace, is that it be managed well. And the same goes for just about everything!

[lefty12357]

Which is why I don't believe the record company has anything to do with this silence.

I agree, because I believe that it has been and continues to be her choice. As to her reasons, some of us have various opinions on this. Maybe we will know more someday, and maybe we won’t.

[Ruroshen]

I agree, because I believe that it has been and continues to be her choice. As to her reasons, some of us have various opinions on this. Maybe we will know more someday, and maybe we won’t.
Y'know, every time we start armchair quarterbacking like this, I hold the faint hope that one day she'll just get completely fed up (:p) and unload on us with both barrels. I mean really lose it and rip us all a new one--how we don't know have the faintest idea of what's really going on behind the scenes, or how it feels to have us dissecting her every misstep like the fate of the world hangs in the balance, and drop science on us about how things look from her point of view. Just put it all out on front street and really let us have it.

She never will, of course, because it would be uncouth, unprofessional and unbecoming, totally out of character for her. (Or at least the "character" that she presents to her fans--she doesn't seem to have any problem sharing that side of herself with paparazzi and Parisian drivers. ;)) But I would grin like a freaking idiot the entire time I read it--hell, I would print it out and frame it--because we'd finally have evidence that she actually gave a damn...about what her fans thought of her, about the path her career is taking...about anything.

Y'know, I was one of the dudes who really came down on her for flipping off the paparazzi in Mexico back in June, but looking back on it now, I can admit that I was wrong. Now I find myself wishing she'd display that kind of candor more often. It'd be a welcome change...even if it were me she was flipping off. (Well no, maybe not.)

Sorry, that was more stream-of-consciousness than I intended, but I think my point comes across...

[Roman]

...
Sorry, that was more stream-of-consciousness than I intended, but I think my point comes across...
Yes. Your point was made and well understood.

[Deepwaters]

Keep in mind there is no record label anymore. "Vacation" was a euphemism, really all those people are out of work or have found other jobs. And it doesn't sound like a new team is in place yet either. That's as much a reason for the lack of updates as anything.


Two things are going on. One is the general disorganization and chaos in her career, e.g. the canceled concert, lack of promotions, drifting-in-the-wind character we see now, etc. On that, I believe you're right: we're seeing the metaphorical equivalent of a Chapter 11 reorganization.

The other thing, though, is the lack of communication, the failure to talk to her fans about what's happening. On that, I believe you're wrong. There is some other reason why she is in hiding. Yes, "vacation" is a euphemism, but I've already said too much on that subject, so I won't go into it again, except to say that I believe we need to be understanding and cut her some slack.


And personally one I'd like to believe, because if Alizée really did run that site solo, she did a terrible job.


What she did a terrible job of was trying to manage her career solo, or with no one to help her do it except Jérémy and perhaps Sylvain. I think she did fine on the MySpace page, until recently, and again, I think there's a separate reason for the meltdown in communication. The problem is she's very young, and has no real experience from the past in running her own show. Granted, she could have learned a lot by watching Mylène, but obviously that wasn't enough. Jérémy is also very young, and while he has run his own show from the beginning he's never been all that successful at it. She needs some outside expertise, some expert advice. Or so it seems to me. Nice try, good album, but . . .

I don't think it's a lack of effort. I think it's a lack of knowing quite what the hell she's doing.

Ruroshen, as long as we're acting in goodwill and out of concern for her, that won't happen. Sorry, I agree that it would be cool. Hey, you could always do something really obnoxious, like follow her around with a camera. I believe that would get the reaction you're looking for. :D

[TheBarrett]

I still be a bit slow on the page, maybe because it uses Flash.

[Ben]

Two things are going on. One is the general disorganization and chaos in her career, e.g. the canceled concert, lack of promotions, drifting-in-the-wind character we see now, etc... The other thing, though, is the lack of communication, the failure to talk to her fans about what's happening... I think she did fine on the MySpace page, until recently... I don't think it's a lack of effort. I think it's a lack of knowing quite what the hell she's doing.
I don't think they're separate, because for Alizée communication is promotion. You know I don't find the current silence very odd, but that's a bigger issue than just her MySpace page. Whether other stuff is going on in her life or not, and regardless of who runs it, I believe the lack of updates there is directly related to her career standstill. I mean, she never used MySpace for the kind of communication you describe, it was strictly promotional. She never did really post on it, just added material. What would be the point of updating content now?

I do hope she utilizes it better in the future. Compared to other artists I like, her use of MySpace up to now has been little more than a cursory nod toward the concept of interaction. Like the psychedeclips web site, it's a nice idea left unrealized. I don't necessarily believe there was a lack of effort either, but that's how it looks. Maybe the mistake was trying to do too much herself, but the more casual fans simply looking for a good product aren't going to think about that. We can cut her all the slack in the world, they won't.

[Deepwaters]

I don't think they're separate, because for Alizée communication is promotion.


I don't agree, as far as what goes on in her mind. It SHOULD be -- but it's not. She has always had a tendency to relate to fans as if they were friends, even though she knows better. Using fan communication for promotion is not something she's very good at, in fact. It's one of those professional things I think she needs to learn. Either it's flowed naturally from her and worked on its own, or it's not happened at all.


I mean, she never used MySpace for the kind of communication you describe, it was strictly promotional. She never did really post on it, just added material. What would be the point of updating content now?


She did send out the one bulletin early on thanking everyone for their comments, and would respond to both comments there and on the forums with updates and/or announcements in other media, but I agree she could make better use of it. More bulletins would be a good thing. Since I became her MySpace friend, several other French musicians have befriended me ("hey, moi aussi !") and I get bulletins from them all the time. She could take a page from their books.


Maybe the mistake was trying to do too much herself, but the more casual fans simply looking for a good product aren't going to think about that. We can cut her all the slack in the world, they won't.

Oh, I agree with that completely, but the thing is those people are fickle. If she comes out with a better-managed effort on her fourth album, they'll come back. People like you, though -- if she loses you, you're gone. It's a personal thing. So I'm saying that to people like you, not people like them.

[Ben]

and would respond to both comments there and on the forums with updates and/or announcements in other media,
I don't think that cuts it. First it's debatable, second and more important, she can't leave it up to interpretation like that. She should send out bulletins such as, "hey I've read all the comments about this, so watch my performance Saturday night to see a change!" At the very least mention that last bit. With an easy to update site like MySpace, it's ridiculous that we still had to hunt for appearances. Without forums like this, even fans in France would have missed half of them!

If she comes out with a better-managed effort on her fourth album, they'll come back. People like you, though -- if she loses you, you're gone. It's a personal thing. So I'm saying that to people like you, not people like them.
You don't have to worry, I wouldn't bother posting if thinking of leaving. But the problem is, the worse things go now, the harder it will be for that better managed fourth album to happen! Again, a break is fine if she's got personal issues, professional restructuring, or whatever else going on. But when she does return, she simply can't resume the same old pattern. It just won't work anymore.

[Future Raptor Ace]

I don't think they're separate, because for Alizée communication is promotion. You know I don't find the current silence very odd, but that's a bigger issue than just her MySpace page. Whether other stuff is going on in her life or not, and regardless of who runs it, I believe the lack of updates there is directly related to her career standstill. I mean, she never used MySpace for the kind of communication you describe, it was strictly promotional. She never did really post on it, just added material. What would be the point of updating content now?

I do hope she utilizes it better in the future. Compared to other artists I like, her use of MySpace up to now has been little more than a cursory nod toward the concept of interaction. Like the psychedeclips web site, it's a nice idea left unrealized. I don't necessarily believe there was a lack of effort either, but that's how it looks. Maybe the mistake was trying to do too much herself, but the more casual fans simply looking for a good product aren't going to think about that. We can cut her all the slack in the world, they won't.
yeah also not to mention what she does have on it is written in 3rd person

[Lerxst]

Here's the deal. With most artists, I'm a fan of two things: their work and their talent. These days with Alizée, I'm around almost exclusively for her talent, because she seems to put so very little work in to her own career. I don't know if that's actually true, if there's not something going on behind the scenes we don't know about, but that's the impression - less effort than any other artist I've seen.

So one of two things has to happen. Either she starts making the effort, or if she already is and we just aren't seeing it, then she's gotta figure out how to manage public relations so that we do. That is of course when she wants to resume her career. I'm fine with a break, and am talking as much about when Psychédélices promotion was in full swing as I am about now. None of it's been quite right.


Agreed. But I also wonder if the reason she doesn't put much effort into her career is because she doesn't necessarily want to reach the same level of success she had in the Lolita years.

I get the impression she wants to be just popular enough that she can make a living at it without compromising too much of her personal/family life. She doesn't want to become so popular that she has paparazzi and fans following her around all day and disrupting her life. She seems to be very protective of her privacy.

I'm not convinced she wants a career that is too demanding of her time or invasive of her life.

[Noodle]

Sombody spammed her myspace that sucks i hope they can do somthing about ithttp://img278.imageshack.us/img278/1486/l2d9in.png

[TheBarrett]

^ Just wait and see and all will unravel, hopefully to our advantage.

[Topaz]

Ya'know for most artists it's all about the music and quality. If the public likes it, all the better. It's good when the fans are pleased. If not there will be another album. All this talk about "no effort". No one knows how much effort went into the album. No one knows how much effort went into publicity. No one knows the problems that could have occured. Maybe everyone should just chill for a little while.

Now for a retro look, MySpace before it was known. :)

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/myspace_officiel-1.jpg

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Look forward, not back.
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[TheBarrett]

^ Zero friends? Boo! :p

[Ben]

Agreed. But I also wonder if the reason she doesn't put much effort into her career is because she doesn't necessarily want to reach the same level of success she had in the Lolita years.
Yeah, she might not want that nor can we expect it. But I'm sure she'd like to be doing better than she is now, at least in France. Cancelling a concert is never a good thing.

No one knows how much effort went into the album. No one knows how much effort went into publicity. No one knows the problems that could have occured.
It's all about image and apperance. No matter what happens you try to make it look good. PR. You need that to sell music these days, as we've seen. Maybe it would have been better to focus on other things than MySpace and Facebook, rather than offer that empty promise? Dunno.

You can't do this career half-hearted. I don't think Alizée is, but unfortunatly that's the impression. It's like that water skiing analogy awhile back, you either go full-throttle or sink. Same goes for all art. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

[Topaz]

^ Zero friends? Boo! :p

yes, zero friends, no photo, no nothing. :)
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56491#post56491 :)
paper cups too: ;);)

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It's all about image and apperance. No matter what happens you try to make it look good. PR. You need that to sell music these days, as we've seen. Maybe it would have been better to focus on other things than MySpace and Facebook, rather than offer that empty promise? Dunno.

You can't do this career half-hearted. I don't think Alizée is, but unfortunatly that's the impression. It's like that water skiing analogy awhile back, you either go full-throttle or sink. Same goes for all art. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

I would disagree. You can't force people to like your music. You just have to accept it and go forward. Perhaps the early fame is a curse. Now everyone expects a number one. Lightning may still strike again, but it won't be because a pressure of effort or lack of. This album has good music, the next is better. If it happens it happens. I might not be expressing this well, but you can only hope the masses like it. If they do it will take off, if not, then not. No amount of promo will skyrocket it. It may help yes. But only a bit. I will admit there were mistakes made. One can only hope lessons were learned. I would like to think so.

[mavsluver41]

I hate to interrupt meaningful, serious discussion, but what's up with the age on her video channel :p? I mean, I know she's trying to lose the lolita image/associations and all that, but really :D?

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq80/mavslover41/hghghg.jpg

[TheBarrett]

I hate to interrupt meaningful, serious discussion, but what's up with the age on her video channel :p? I mean, I know she's trying to lose the lolita image/associations and all that, but really :D?

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq80/mavslover41/hghghg.jpg

Certain things get better with age.
Guess we know who ended World War 2. :p

[Ben]

I would disagree. You can't force people to like your music. You just have to accept it and go forward. Perhaps the early fame is a curse. Now everyone expects a number one.
Not a number one, but we do hope for decent succuess that doesn't mean cancelling concerts! You're right that promotion isn't about forcing people to like music. It's about making them aware of it. I'm sure 95% of those who did not buy her album or concert tickets didn't do so because they'd dislike it, but because they were never motivated to try, or might not have even known about it! Ignorance, apathy, and pre-conceptions of Alizée and her music are what the promotion needed, and failed, to break.

[Roman]

Agreed. But I also wonder if the reason she doesn't put much effort into her career is because she doesn't necessarily want to reach the same level of success she had in the Lolita years.

I get the impression she wants to be just popular enough that she can make a living at it without compromising too much of her personal/family life. She doesn't want to become so popular that she has paparazzi and fans following her around all day and disrupting her life. She seems to be very protective of her privacy.

I'm not convinced she wants a career that is too demanding of her time or invasive of her life.
Well, she has said some things at times that suggest that isn't true, but actions speak louder than words. I don't know how she can exist at all without really "trying" though. How can one feather the throttle except maybe after they've hit it really big? If that is what she's doing then I think it's just a matter of her deciding that she's going to do what she wants and if it doesn't work out, well, she's not really that concerned. That's hard to believe after all the work she did put into it. Well, I can certainly understand the concept of wanting to do something and just not being able to for reasons other than simple competence, but I just didn't think she was like that. She doesn't strike me as the type to chronically procrastinate for example.

[Future Raptor Ace]

Agreed. But I also wonder if the reason she doesn't put much effort into her career is because she doesn't necessarily want to reach the same level of success she had in the Lolita years.

I get the impression she wants to be just popular enough that she can make a living at it without compromising too much of her personal/family life. She doesn't want to become so popular that she has paparazzi and fans following her around all day and disrupting her life. She seems to be very protective of her privacy.

I'm not convinced she wants a career that is too demanding of her time or invasive of her life.
If thats the case we all have to admire her character. I mean turning up fortune and fame for family, though is the right thing to do, is very difficult to resist.

[Roman]

Not a number one, but we do hope for decent succuess that doesn't mean cancelling concerts! You're right that promotion isn't about forcing people to like music. It's about making them aware of it. I'm sure 95% of those who did not buy her album or concert tickets didn't do so because they'd dislike it, but because they were never motivated to try, or might not have even known about it! Ignorance, apathy, and pre-conceptions of Alizée and her music are what the promotion needed, and failed, to break.
And even beyond that, it would help if she had a following. It would be good to have a fan base ready to support whatever her next move is, like before the release of this last album, though she certainly did as close to nothing as possible to support that then, except just being a legend. When I came on board she was supposedly any time going to release a long awaited new album and it was all mysterious. Now what do we tell people?

If thats the case we all have to admire her character. I mean turning up fortune and fame for family, though is the right thing to do, is very difficult to resist.
Well, it would be nice to think that, but she could always come out and just tell people what her intentions are if those were them. Instead we are left empty and wondering and having the impression that she just can't commit to anything along with having bad luck and untimely promotions. I shouldn't be sitting here saying this. I should be just saying: well look at her web site. She said she's doing such and such and we should expect such and such and that's the way it is and within the last couple months she posted such statement. And oh, she plans to be doing something within the next couple months. Here it is scheduled.

When I walked up to Alizée to get her autograph, I had nothing but appreciation that I wanted to express and I tried. I was so happy to see her and speak to her. After that, however, I just wanted to keep being a fan. I could just say thanks Alizée and be gone. I could have done that a month and a half ago too. It is precisely because I did not lose interest in Alizée that I'm saying all this stuff. And it's a darn good thing I didn't lose interest a long time ago so that I got to do a really great thing in my life and go see her in concert. But I'm still alive and need something to look forward to.

Oh, and it is nice to see that someone did sign on yesterday and approve messages once again. Someone is apparently rather busy doing something.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Well, it would be nice to think that, but she could always come out and just tell people what her intentions are if those were them.

she owes no one an explanation as this is a job for her and we are fans by choice. fans don't get paid so there for need no explanation

It's just like a soldier who goes to war willingly. he doesn't have to tell anyone why he wanted to go or even what he saw over there most people aren't ready to hear what he would have to say

and I think it may be the same here when we are ready to know it'll happen

until then she owes us nothing

[OGRE]

....drifting-in-the-wind....

Deep, you are a genius. You just gave birth to Alizée's next album name:

Dérive dans le vent

It works on so many levels.



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And to throw my two cents into the discussion. There is a big jump between PRODUCING and participating. As a participant your actions and events are planned. You are told what to do, when to do it, and have a very limited scope of all the things that go on around you that really make it happen. When you enter the production realm, all that stuff hits you, and you soon discover how much is really involved.

Participation is often an open and closed affair. Event. Do it. Done. Production is an ONGOING continuous affair, with years-in-advance planning. From an album standpoint, Alizée should have started album two halfway through the production of album one. And as album one was hitting the streets, she would be halfway through with album two and starting production on album three. What often happens is you get so tied up in album one...just the need to get it done....that when it finally gets done you feel a relief. But without anything in the pipeline....you are now three years away from another album.

The fact it does not appear the above production thought process was undertaken suggests she might not wish to energize herself to that level. These types of careers take a lot of effort. Considering her other priorities at the moment, I can understand somewhat as to why she has a slow career.

[Ruroshen]

until then she owes us nothing
I don't think anybody here is suggesting she "owes" us anything, Jung. Update the website or don't...engage the fans or don't...be candid and forthcoming or remain silent and mysterious...all that is absolutely her prerogative, and I've yet to see anyone question that.

While I have seen it on other forums where fans have stomped their feet like spoiled children and demanded an explanation, here everybody seems to be saying "I just wish she'd do this" or "I think she'd do better if did that". It's an important distinction. Deepwaters is right, in that I think everybody here is coming from a place of genuine concern and goodwill, and not a sense of entitlement.

[Roman]

I don't think anybody here is suggesting she "owes" us anything, Jung. Update the website or don't...engage the fans or don't...be candid and forthcoming or remain silent and mysterious...all that is absolutely her prerogative, and I've yet to see anyone question that.

While I have seen it on other forums where fans have stomped their feet like spoiled children and demanded an explanation, here everybody seems to be saying "I just wish she'd do this" or "I think she'd do better if did that". It's an important distinction. Deepwaters is right, in that I think everybody here is coming from a place of genuine concern and goodwill, and not a sense of entitlement.
We really like Alizée and wish we had more to experience from/with her.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I don't think anybody here is suggesting she "owes" us anything, Jung. Update the website or don't...engage the fans or don't...be candid and forthcoming or remain silent and mysterious...all that is absolutely her prerogative, and I've yet to see anyone question that.

While I have seen it on other forums where fans have stomped their feet like spoiled children and demanded an explanation, here everybody seems to be saying "I just wish she'd do this" or "I think she'd do better if did that". It's an important distinction. Deepwaters is right, in that I think everybody here is coming from a place of genuine concern and goodwill, and not a sense of entitlement.
Indeed..................

it's just the best thing for someone to say at times is nothing at all and maybe it is this way in her life right now

I don't question anyone's concern for her here as I don't question that you guys think she should say something or not

Its just I think some people almost expect her to keep such sites up to date when she has no obligation at all

[Ruroshen]

Its just I think some people almost expect her to keep such sites up to date when she has no obligation at all
Obligation to? No.

In her best interest to? Yes, at least in my opinion. Otherwise, what's the point of them?

[Ben]

Not to mention that it should come as no surprise if people start loosing interest and stop spending money when she doesn't update them. None of this would be an issue if her career was going along just fine otherwise.

[Ruroshen]

Somebody logged into the MySpace today, but again it doesn't appear as though any new messages were approved. :(

I've noticed something odd, though--the most recent comments are no longer on the main page of her profile, as they now seem to be posting oldest-to-newest instead of the other way 'round. The messages on the main page are from Oct. 26...one has to click 'View All' and click on over to page 5 to view the most recent approved message from Nov. 9. I wonder if it's a settings glitch, or a deliberate choice on her/their part.

Just curious--has anyone tried sending her a message there since the 9th? Could it honestly be that there's just no new messages to be approved?

EDIT: Also wanted to mention that the image and link for the MTVLA awards are still up there. Somebody probably ought to look into taking that down. :D

[Idéaliser]

I think she'd do better to hire somebody to keep an up-to-date news feed on like her actual website. She could get the same guy (or guys) to put the news on her myspace too :P

[Ruroshen]

OK, so I appreciate that I'm beating a fairly dead horse, here, but here we go again: we had a login yesterday, for the first time in weeks aaaaannnd...still no new comments were approved. :confused:

I don't get it. Have her fans given up on her? Has she given up on her fans? Is the intern they've hired to look after it on strike? Is Annily maintaining it, and holding out for a later bedtime?

One is left to wonder...

[lefty12357]

OK, so I appreciate that I'm beating a fairly dead horse, here, but here we go again: we had a login yesterday, for the first time in weeks aaaaannnd...still no new comments were approved. :confused:

I don't get it. Have her fans given up on her? Has she given up on her fans? Is the intern they've hired to look after it on strike? Is Annily maintaining it, and holding out for a later bedtime?

One is left to wonder...

Well, I guess the proverbial horse is getting beaten into an unrecognizable blob, but - since she quit logging onto her myspace on a regular basis, fan visits have fallen off quite a bit, but there are still hundreds of visits a day. One would have to assume some of these people still make comments. I quit making comments there a long time ago because she appears to not be interested.

Why doesn't she say something, like in a bulletin? Why make fans agonize through these long silences? Or does she think that her fans have no feelings? I actually think that maybe she’s not communicating in order to make a point.

Sorry for joining in on this horse beating...;)

[mavsluver41]

You know, Jérémy hasn't logged on in a while either. It could purely be coincidence, but it leads me to believe they are busy working on something together. One can only hope.

[Tchaikovsky]

You know, Jérémy hasn't logged on in a while either. It could purely be coincidence, but it leads me to believe they are busy working on something together. One can only hope.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh225/St00pidmonkey72/TaxReformWOF2507.jpg

[heyamigo]

You know, Jérémy hasn't logged on in a while either. It could purely be coincidence, but it leads me to believe they are busy working on something together. One can only hope.

working on a baby. 24/7

[Ruroshen]

One would have to assume some of these people still make comments. I quit making comments there a long time ago because she appears to not be interested.

Hmm. We could be dealing with a vicious circle, here--she stops logging in on a regular basis for awhile, so fans stop visiting and commenting, so she sees no reason to log in on a regular basis...

Why doesn't she say something, like in a bulletin? Why make fans agonize through these long silences? Or does she think that her fans have no feelings? I actually think that maybe she’s not communicating in order to make a point.

I've wondered the same thing, actually...but the problem is, if she's silent, how on earth are we supposed to divine what point she's trying to make? I dunno...

You know, Jérémy hasn't logged on in a while either. It could purely be coincidence, but it leads me to believe they are busy working on something together. One can only hope.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45691&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=7c6ac77ae47ad536145288576f89ff50

working on a baby. 24/7

Um, ouch? Not to frighten some of our younger members, but as fun as it might sound, even that gets old after awhile. ;)

(Cue a flurry of "Not with Alizée!" posts in 3...2..1...:rolleyes::p)

[Roman]

OK, so I appreciate that I'm beating a fairly dead horse, here, but here we go again: we had a login yesterday, for the first time in weeks aaaaannnd...still no new comments were approved. :confused:

I don't get it. Have her fans given up on her? Has she given up on her fans? Is the intern they've hired to look after it on strike? Is Annily maintaining it, and holding out for a later bedtime?

One is left to wonder...
Yeah, the comments go until the 9th of November, but one must go pages in on the view all to even see that. So, people just visiting her page won't even see that. She needs to either approve them in order (which maybe myspace makes difficult) or maybe just turn back on the open comments thing. One thing is for sure, Alizée either can not or does not want to maintain that stuff by herself. It's like once again we are fans of something that used to be, a woman who has herself long since moved on.

I don't think she's trying to make a point. Before her return I did ask why she does not update people on what she's doing rather than just letting rumors tell it, like when it was said that she was working at a particular studio. But I also remember that later she said she checked on the web sometimes and saw the great interest there was and it helped encourage her to continue. I think she just has a lot of difficulty doing this job. So, she must treat it like the whole thing is kind of a game. It's part of her career and such, but she has another life and only did it because it seemed necessary to give a shot at being a big success again. I think she feels that if she takes any of this too seriously she can be hurt like we were and she doesn't want to do that to herself. I hope that means she's happy at least. Unfortunately it seems this is all too much for her. Sometimes she comes off as strong and independent. She's done a good job of presenting herself in most interviews and such, but like all people she has weaknesses. So, wish her good thoughts and hope she still cares to create more music.

[lefty12357]

Yeah, saying that Alizée is making a point is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Alizée defines her relationship with her fans, not the other way around. So any appeals to her to change this are probably futile.

I think during the MF/LB years, Mylene protected Alizée and probably told her to keep a certain distance between her and her fans. I thought maybe this was changing with her return.

She met with core French fans to give them a preview of her new album. She got on myspace and said she was managing it herself and sent out a bulletin to fans. She logged on regularly and was obviously paying attention to the fans because she recognized Cooney at the autograph signing from his comment on her myspace. Jérémy and Alizée set up Psychédéclips.com and encouraged fans to share ideas. There are other examples as well.

I thought all this was indicating more of a willingness to engage with her fans. But as soon as she started hitting some bumps in the road, the walls seemed to come back up. Maybe the walls were always up to begin with, and I just misread the situation. Either way, we don't have any control over the situation and we will just have to wait and see.

[Deepwaters]

I thought all this was indicating more of a willingness to engage with her fans. But as soon as she started hitting some bumps in the road, the walls seemed to come back up.


As I've said before, I believe that to be an accident of timing, a coincidence, and not causation. I believe the current silence is caused not by "bumps in the road" (i.e. a lower level of success in France than she had in the old days), but by something in her private life occurring simultaneously. For some reason, she has chosen to withdraw from the public almost entirely at this time, and for some reason she has also chosen not to explain why.

She has always been very private about her private life, so the most obvious conclusion is that the reason is something connected with that, which is none of our business. She can't explain why she's gone without revealing things that she chooses not to reveal.


[W]e don't have any control over the situation and we will just have to wait and see.

Agreed. It's already been pointed out to her that the silence is hurting her career. She chooses to maintain it nonetheless. It's her career, her choice. Whatever is going on, we must leave her to work it out. Eventually, one way or another, she'll be back. She's an artist -- she has no choice about that. :cool:

[JCC]

As I've said before, I believe that to be an accident of timing, a coincidence, and not causation. I believe the current silence is caused not by "bumps in the road" (i.e. a lower level of success in France than she had in the old days), but by something in her private life occurring simultaneously. For some reason, she has chosen to withdraw from the public almost entirely at this time, and for some reason she has also chosen not to explain why.

She has always been very private about her private life, so the most obvious conclusion is that the reason is something connected with that, which is none of our business. She can't explain why she's gone without revealing things that she chooses not to reveal.

Agreed. It's already been pointed out to her that the silence is hurting her career. She chooses to maintain it nonetheless. It's her career, her choice. Whatever is going on, we must leave her to work it out. Eventually, one way or another, she'll be back. She's an artist -- she has no choice about that. :cool:

tell me!!!....WHY does she have to explain ANYTHING to us! What she does in her private live, WE DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT!...and again, DEEP, wtf is ur obsession with thinking that something is wrong with her private life? Your like a freaking TMZ reporter trying to dig up any dirt about Alizee...and knowing that its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS still fuels you. You keep going back and forth in your logic. She owes us Nothing!! If she chooses to let us into her private life, then so be it. Until then, respect her privacy.

And really, her silence is hurting her career more than its "HURTING" certain fans who, for some reason, think alizee owns it to us to let know what she's doing bascially 24/7!... Don't you think everyone deserves some DOWNTIME in their lives? Did you all forget that she does also have a family of her own to care for? Did you also know that there's a thing called taking a vacation during the holidays to be with family and friends?

[Tchaikovsky]

tell me!!!....WHY does she have to explain ANYTHING to us! What she does in her private live, WE DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT!...and again, DEEP, wtf is ur obsession with thinking that something is wrong with her private life? Your like a freaking TMZ reporter trying to dig up any dirt about Alizee...and knowing that its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS still fuels you. You keep going back and forth in your logic. She owes us Nothing!! If she chooses to let us into her private life, then so be it. Until then, respect her privacy.

And really, her silence is hurting her career more than its "HURTING" certain fans who, for some reason, think alizee owns it to us to let know what she's doing bascially 24/7!... Don't you think everyone deserves some DOWNTIME in their lives? Did you all forget that she does also have a family of her own to care for? Did you also know that there's a thing called taking a vacation during the holidays to be with family and friends?
Where did he say he wanted to know about her private life?

[TheBarrett]

tell me!!!....WHY does she have to explain ANYTHING to us! What she does in her private live, WE DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT!...and again, DEEP, wtf is ur obsession with thinking that something is wrong with her private life? Your like a freaking TMZ reporter trying to dig up any dirt about Alizee...and knowing that its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS still fuels you. You keep going back and forth in your logic. She owes us Nothing!! If she chooses to let us into her private life, then so be it. Until then, respect her privacy.

And really, her silence is hurting her career more than its "HURTING" certain fans who, for some reason, think alizee owns it to us to let know what she's doing bascially 24/7!... Don't you think everyone deserves some DOWNTIME in their lives? Did you all forget that she does also have a family of her own to care for? Did you also know that there's a thing called taking a vacation during the holidays to be with family and friends?

She doesn't, but people above have their own opinions on things that is plausible and is not, and thus they should be entitled to discuss what they think This doesn't necessarily mean that it's true of course.
The thing about Alizée is that she's a celebrity, and she has to open up silence sometime to give a shout-out or a hello, which she must do, lest she would risk her whole career. Now this isn't necessarily hard, its about 4 minutes by logging on myspace, posting a bulletin saying whatever the hell she wants to say.

Now, if she can't do that, then i'm pretty sure something is going on in her private life as well. What it is, I will not ask, but I am pretty sure her "management" is not behind 100% of her silence. Speculation is nothing harmed unless you force that thought to happen...

[lefty12357]

I’m only speaking for myself, but I’m sure many fans feel the same way I do. I am not asking, nor am I interested in knowing any more about her private life than she feels like sharing. I am also not asking for her to explain what has happened with her career in the recent past. I am not asking for any information at all and I'm not implying she owes anything to us.

What I would like to see, however, is for Alizée to engage in some fan communication from time to time. Just a “Hi, how’s it going? Thanks for your support.” kind of thing. It would keep up morale and let fans know she’s still in the game. It’s good for the fans and good for her career, and really quite painless. But it is still up to her as to whether she wants to do it or not.

Remember this?

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That’s what I’m talking about. I remember how happy everyone was when they saw this. It gained her a tremendous amount of goodwill.

[Tchaikovsky]

tell me!!!....WHY does she have to explain ANYTHING to us! What she does in her private live, WE DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT!...and again, DEEP, wtf is ur obsession with thinking that something is wrong with her private life? Your like a freaking TMZ reporter trying to dig up any dirt about Alizee...and knowing that its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS still fuels you. You keep going back and forth in your logic. She owes us Nothing!! If she chooses to let us into her private life, then so be it. Until then, respect her privacy.

And really, her silence is hurting her career more than its "HURTING" certain fans who, for some reason, think alizee owns it to us to let know what she's doing bascially 24/7!... Don't you think everyone deserves some DOWNTIME in their lives? Did you all forget that she does also have a family of her own to care for? Did you also know that there's a thing called taking a vacation during the holidays to be with family and friends?

Jekyll and Hyde

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/jekylhyde.jpg


As a forum participant Jekyll and Hyde always plays by the rules and is consistently cordial and helpful – a model netizen, until one day he comes completely uncorked and lashes out without warning. His unanticipated thunderbolts can temporarily rout even the sturdiest Warriors, and it often takes some time for his stunned opponents to mount a counter attack. Jekyll and Hyde’s sudden behavioral change may result from a psychotic episode, PMS, a downturn in the market, a surprise visit by the in-laws – or a session of hard drinking...

[dreamer]

LOL:D Can you please give me the link to the site where you got the picture? I know there is a whole collection of them.:)

[Tiwaz]

It must be those chatelain's, I don't trust them. It might just be me, but I found an "attending the 28/3 concert" thingmie on facebook, and there is a voting whether you're gonna attend the concert or not, and some Chatelain dude (he have, the real I suppose, Alizée on his friend list) is listed as "not attending". So why would he even bother find the group and vote? I think they are up to no good.

[Tchaikovsky]

LOL:D Can you please give me the link to the site where you got the picture? I know there is a whole collection of them.:)
Here ya go :)

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

[Future Raptor Ace]

I discovered something new about alizee yesterday that i never noticed before and I will explain how it is relevant here after I tell you what I just realized.
First Alizee loves her fans no matter what, don't think otherwise I am certain now.
Second, you all remember the video of Alizee in Mexico where she has to escape from the autograph session and where she is being rushed down the stairs and into the van? If you watch the video you see alizee smiling and waving to fans from inside the van, even after what just happened, she is smiling and yes she is not ignoring the tons of fans chasing her from outside the window pounding on the glass, she is smiling and waving back. Even after the bodyguard comes and sit between her and the window, she reaches over him and continues to wave and smile. Then right after the van gets out of the parking garage and away from everyone, Alizee picks up her phone and sort of starts to cry.You can tell shes extremely upset, where as 15 seconds ago she was happy in-front of her fans. Also with the apology video you can also see she is upset but she is trying to hide it with a smile once again.
What I am trying to say is Alizee will never tell us if something is wrong, she will keep that smile on her face for us and let her feelings out behind closed doors. I think that is whats happening, she is going through rough times right now with her career and she is trying to keep that smile on for us. She is probably afraid the more she contacts us now, the more apparent it will become that she is hiding her sadness. After seeing the way she waved and smiled to all those fans after that autograph session, I have no doubt she cares lots for us. Just the way she was waving says it all, she was trying to wave to each individual person, not just the group in general.
I think once this valley turns back into a crest, which it will, she start to keep in touch with us more electronically.

[whitey®]

I discovered something new about alizee yesterday that i never noticed before and I will explain how it is relevant here after I tell you what I just realized.
First Alizee loves her fans no matter what, don't think otherwise I am certain now.
Second, you all remember the video of Alizee in Mexico where she has to escape from the autograph session and where she is being rushed down the stairs and into the van? If you watch the video you see alizee smiling and waving to fans from inside the van, even after what just happened, she is smiling and yes she is not ignoring the tons of fans chasing her from outside the window pounding on the glass, she is smiling and waving back. Even after the bodyguard comes and sit between her and the window, she reaches over him and continues to wave and smile. Then right after the van gets out of the parking garage and away from everyone, Alizee picks up her phone and sort of starts to cry.You can tell shes extremely upset, where as 15 seconds ago she was happy in-front of her fans. Also with the apology video you can also see she is upset but she is trying to hide it with a smile once again.
What I am trying to say is Alizee will never tell us if something is wrong, she will keep that smile on her face for us and let her feelings out behind closed doors. I think that is whats happening, she is going through rough times right now with her career and she is trying to keep that smile on for us. She is probably afraid the more she contacts us now, the more apparent it will become that she is hiding her sadness. After seeing the way she waved and smiled to all those fans after that autograph session, I have no doubt she cares lots for us. Just the way she was waving says it all, she was trying to wave to each individual person, not just the group in general.
I think once this valley turns back into a crest, which it will, she start to keep in touch with us more electronically.
I never saw any of those videos, where can I see them?

[Tchaikovsky]

Second, you all remember the video of Alizee in Mexico where she has to escape from the autograph session and where she is being rushed down the stairs and into the van? If you watch the video you see alizee smiling and waving to fans from inside the van, even after what just happened, she is smiling and yes she is not ignoring the tons of fans chasing her from outside the window pounding on the glass, she is smiling and waving back. Even after the bodyguard comes and sit between her and the window, she reaches over him and continues to wave and smile. Then right after the van gets out of the parking garage and away from everyone, Alizee picks up her phone and sort of starts to cry.You can tell shes extremely upset, where as 15 seconds ago she was happy in-front of her fans.
Youtube or it didn't happen.

[Amigo!]

Youtube or it didn't happen.

<a href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=es-MX&vid=66fc9bf5-298a-4528-b51f-2b634ab22c0f" target="_new" title="La visita de Alizée a México. Día 4 "><img src="http://img4.catalog.video.msn.com/Image.aspx?uuid=66fc9bf5-298a-4528-b51f-2b634ab22c0f&w=112&h=84" border=0 alt="La visita de Alizée a México. Día 4 " width=112 height=84><br />La visita de Alizée a México. Día 4 </a>

This video brings back bad memories being there.

[Future Raptor Ace]

here is the video for you guys

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edit: oh amigo beat me too it, didnt see that


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[Tchaikovsky]

Thanks to both of you.

[whitey®]

thank you.

[Roman]

*cry* It's still so hard to believe that actually happened, but I got to see her at her concerts; so youpidou!

[HelixSix]

Here ya go :)

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

This site has vaulted straight to the top of my favorites. All the descriptions are hilarious because they are so so true.

[Nikita]

Did something serious actually happen there, or was it just "Gosh, a few more people than we expected turned ut, let's run for our lives". ?

[Vista]

@ Nikita
Here are very good descriptions of events surrounding Alizee's Mexico City appearance during March 2008... links as follows:

AC_Mix post of March 7, 2008.
http://www.lillytown.com/showthread.php?t=194

Snatcher42 post of March 9, 2008 citing Rehochipe comments.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=21676&page=11

[Alizées little american]

wow myspace is gay aswell as the person who spammed that shit....people these days...

[Roman]

This site has vaulted straight to the top of my favorites. All the descriptions are hilarious because they are so so true.
ha ha, too true. Well, at least it's not just us who are crazy. It's funny though, it seems like I see more of that stuff lately than we ever used to - people flaming for no reason and stuff. Nah, there was always crap going on, people being banned and stuff. Oh well. Having Alizée around to talk about was so much better!

wow myspace is gay aswell as the person who spammed that shit....people these days...
oops. I think we so long ago went off topic from myspace that I don't even know what you're talking about. :p

[Toc De Mac]

This image, taken originally from Psychalizée forum, appeared on Facebook:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/149/monfacebookrd9.jpg

Alizée is currently preparing all-new tracks, but shhh, it's a secret...

For your information, Pascal Guillaume is a producer of the production company kimaimemesuive: http://www.kimaimemesuive.fr/

[mavsluver41]

This image, taken originally from Psychalizée forum, appeared on Facebook:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/149/monfacebookrd9.jpg



For your information, Pascal Guillaume is a producer of the production company kimaimemesuive: http://www.kimaimemesuive.fr/

Interesting, very interesting. Wishful thinking, eh, Tchai :cool:?

JK, this is quite definitely a rumor and I will treat it as such. If you keep your hopes low, it won't hurt as much if the whole thing collapses ;).

[lefty12357]

Well it would be truly wonderful if it's true, but I would just be happy to have Alizée back in action, regardless of whether it's with new material or not. I really like Psychédélices and I don't think it had a chance to completely run it's course. Either way, I have a feeling that it's true that she is preparing something, and I am looking forward to it.

[edgar93]

This image, taken originally from Psychalizée forum, appeared on Facebook:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/149/monfacebookrd9.jpg



I can see he posted that on his own wall. But why he didn´t post it on Lilly´s page? I hope that´s not a rumor, too, and I hope he is not making a joke :rolleyes:.

[mavsluver41]

So I was bored, right, and I decided to visit Lilly-town France despite not having the slightest grasp or understanding of the French language. I stumbled across a comment posted today by Julien:

NEWS

Un nouveau titre d'Alizée sera en écoute sur MYSPACE à partir du 25 Décembre, mais seulement la première minute.

Une sortie single est grandement envisagée pour la fin Janvier...



...



...



...


Nan, j'déconne. J'aimerais bien.



I was intrigued, so I fed it through one of those crappy translation programs and I got:

NEWS

A new title of Alizée will be in listens on MYSPACE from December 25, but only the first minute.

An big single is envisioned for the end of January one...

I wonder if one of our resident francophones could possibly give us a better translation. If this rumor proves true, Tchai, you owe me fifty push-ups :cool:.

[Ruroshen]

NEWS

A new title of Alizée will be in listens on MYSPACE from December 25, but only the first minute.

An big single is envisioned for the end of January one...

Woo! It's a Christmas miracle! :D

If this rumor proves true, Tchai, you owe me fifty push-ups :cool:.

But even if he could afford it...what on earth are you going to do with fifty bras? :confused:

[Ben]

Guys, be careful! And read the last line...

Nan, j'déconne. J'aimerais bien.

No, I'm kidding. Though it would be nice.

[TheBarrett]

Guys, be careful! And read the last line...



No, I'm kidding. Though it would be nice.

I am not one to simple be a bit pushy in the edge of things, or use internet slang at this point in time.

But ya'll got "p00ned!" :p

[mavsluver41]

Guys, be careful! And read the last line...



No, I'm kidding. Though it would be nice.

That's what I get for being an ignorant 'Murrican who can't read French :o.

I'll still be wanting those bras, though, Tchai...:p:rolleyes:

[lefty12357]

lol, I was over at Lilly-Town earlier today and saw that..:)

[Toc De Mac]

Taken from miracle of AFC (the message originally appeared on his Facebook):

http://nsa03.casimages.com/img/2008/12/18/081218024608592289.jpg

Hello, Alizée is working a lot at the moment. New tracks should arrive by next spring...

[lefty12357]

So, if indeed this information is correct, will there be no more Alizée until next spring? And does that mean there will be no more promotion for Psychédélices?

It seems to me they would need to do something to build up enthusiasm prior to the March concert date if they want to do a better job of selling tickets. I guess as always, we will have to wait and see.

[whitey®]

hopefully she will write something on her myspace about the situation.

[edgar93]

http://nsa03.casimages.com/img/2008/12/18/081218024608592289.jpghttp://img518.imageshack.us/img518/149/monfacebookrd9.jpg


I just sent a message to Pascal asking him if this was true, and this is what I got:

Tout est vrai.
Bonnes Fêtes à vous

:eek: Then, I hope he isn´t making a joke to all of us! It should be true if it is coming from Pascal, but I think there are missing more proves :rolleyes:

[Sir Wood]

^^ Meh, I'll wait for the smoke to clear but hope for the best anyway. :/

[lefty12357]

It could be that when Alizée changed labels, it was decided that the Psychédélices campaign was over, even though there was talk of a renewed promotional effort. If this is the case, then her long silence would just be a natural result of being “between albums”, and would be quite understandable. I think a lot of fans were under the impression that they weren’t done with Psychédélices yet, which led to impatience and concern over this silence. It’s not unreasonable to think that she may have been working on a new album this whole time, rather than putting more money into an album that they decided may have already run its course.

Either way, good communication helps to eliminate misunderstandings and false expectations and I wish they would think about that more. I just hope Alizée is happy with the current relationship she has with her record label, and that her wants and needs are being reasonably served. I would like to have her back again, but I also want it to be a good experience for her, too.

Unless they cancel or postpone the March concert, one would assume she’s got to be coming back with something in the next few months. But I’ve learned that it’s better not to have any expectations. That way, if anything good does happen, it will be a pleasant surprise...:)

[Roman]

It could be that when Alizée changed labels, it was decided that the Psychédélices campaign was over, even though there was talk of a renewed promotional effort. If this is the case, then her long silence would just be a natural result of being “between albums”, and would be quite understandable. I think a lot of fans were under the impression that they weren’t done with Psychédélices yet, which led to impatience and concern over this silence. It’s not unreasonable to think that she may have been working on a new album this whole time, rather than putting more money into an album that they decided may have already run its course.

Either way, good communication helps to eliminate misunderstandings and false expectations and I wish they would think about that more. I just hope Alizée is happy with the current relationship she has with her record label, and that her wants and needs are being reasonably served. I would like to have her back again, but I also want it to be a good experience for her, too.

Unless they cancel or postpone the March concert, one would assume she’s got to be coming back with something in the next few months. But I’ve learned that it’s better not to have any expectations. That way, if anything good does happen, it will be a pleasant surprise...:)
Well yeah, that's the thing. The "ending" of work with that album, that era just ended abruptly and strangely leaving everyone to wonder what's going on. You know what? She did did that with MCE too (or so it seems - I wasn't around). Maybe it's the nature of the thing, but indeed if one could feel a sense of continuity and clarity it would all be much better. It's not even SO much what has happened but also that we're like, hey what happened. It's like there's a party that gets broken up by the police and everyone wanders off in their own direction.

I guess the upside to that is that maybe it reflects little on Alizée herself in the sense that we can't judge what kind of work she's doing. Yeah, we'll believe it when we see it, but one does get the impression that she is working on new stuff unperturbed by our confusion. That's our Lili. We lock ourselves in a kennel and howl for food and when the right time comes around, she throws us a bone. There's a reason for my avatar title. Well, in any case we have some time tables on some things and so we'll be able to see what happens by then.

[Topaz]

I just hope Alizée is happy with the current relationship she has with her record label, and that her wants and needs are being reasonably served. I would like to have her back again, but I also want it to be a good experience for her, too.

That's very kind of you. :)

Psychédélices wasn't received as well as hoped. The core fans liked it which is a good thing. My guess is it's time for new tunes and time to close some loose ends.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/Olympia_09.jpghttp://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/small-1-1-1.gif

[Future Raptor Ace]

She now has the letter she wrote a few weeks ago, addressing the fans, posted on her page