Coldplay blamed of plagiarize an Alizée song

[Bigdan]

There's a lot of buzz around this, in France.

http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/people/0,,4093013,00-alizee-plagiee-par-coldplay-.html


Its' pretty obvious...

[Amigo!]

Oh, not this again... :(

[Tchaikovsky]

OMG they copyed Alizee fore shur!!

[TheBarrett]

Ah come on, legal issues again? Bullcrap.

[Idéaliser]

Why do they drag Lili into this? Didn't it say it was Mylene's song? D:

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Ah come on, legal issues again? Bullcrap.
no way anyone could get anything out of it

[Idéaliser]

Wait, I translated that wrong.


But in my opinion, Viva la Vida doesn't sound anything like JEAM =_=

[mavsluver41]

This has been out there for a while and the general consensus seems to be: the songs sound eerily similar at points, but this was clearly not intentional. But the "buzz" is favorable, people in France need to be reminded how wonderful her music was and is, and just having her name in the news is a definite plus.

[Bigdan]

Did you listen to the mix between the 2 songs? ( my link)`

That's not bad...;)

[Rev]

The most that would happen would be for Coldplay to agree they infringed and then pay Mylene (not ALizée). I doubt Mylene would sue. Most likely the record companies would simply deal with it.

All Alizée can hope to get out of it is a few headlines - or perhaps many if the press really runs with it. As we all know, headlines are essentially always good publicity. :)

Let's hope the make a BIG deal out of it. :):)

[puffyrock2]

With so many thousands of songs out there, many are bound to sound alike. That's common sense. These songs do resemble each other a bit, but not nearly as much as others i've heard.

[MonteCristo]

the beats are the same.....what kind of idiotic buffoon would sue over a resemblance of beat? On second thought, never mind.....theres alot of people in the world who would sue over that, and if any of you ever meet the person that wrote that report, please help me call him/her a duma*$

[mavsluver41]

the beats are the same.....what kind of idiotic buffoon would sue over a resemblance of beat?

I don't think its simply the supposed resemblance between the songs that is causing so many people to jump the gun and fling accusations of plagiarism at Coldplay. Rather, I think it is the fact that Coldplay has built up a reputation of being plagiarists through numerous blatant quotes by bandmembers as well as other accusations from other bands. Whether or not this is true, with this stigma, it seems as though even if the slightest resemblance exists between one of their songs and another bands work, the word "plagiarism" is immediately thrown about by journalists and music fans.

[Idéaliser]

I don't think its simply the supposed resemblance between the songs that is causing so many people to jump the gun and fling accusations of plagiarism at Coldplay. Rather, I think it is the fact that Coldplay has built up a reputation of being plagiarists through numerous blatant quotes by bandmembers as well as other accusations from other bands. Whether or not this is true, with this stigma, it seems as though even if the slightest resemblance exists between one of their songs and another bands work, the word "plagiarism" is immediately thrown about by journalists and music fans.

I think you're right, Mav. Everybody is going crazy about this because Coldplay is notorious for plagiarizing, even if they never did. The press has accused them so many times it just sticks, and as you said, the media LOVES to bring it back out whenever their new songs sound the littlest bit like another song. This probably brings ratings for all the media :P

And as said before, it gets Alizée's name out in the headlines and news, so she gets some free publicity :)

[Roman]

Well, I didn't see that LCI.fr article until I came to this thread, but check it out, more:
(from nidalizee.com)
http://www.nidalizee.com/MEDIAS/presse/presse_2008/septembre2008/public272.jpg
This is just hilarious. LOL
And what about poor Laurent? Even in this thread people saying stuff about Mylène even, but no one talking about the guy who actually composed the music, which came before the lyrics if they were following what Alizée once said was the formula - Laurent wrote music and then Mylène came up with lyrics to go with it. Though they all worked together to define and create the songs, sure.
It's just funny because it's so ridiculous. But yeah, whatever gets her name out there. She's the performer. Her name is on the cover.

I knew there was a good reason I liked their song. :p

[edgar93]

Whats happening?
Is coldplay trying to imitate JEAM?

[ike]

this isn't the first time?:confused:

[Roman]

Who knows where Coldplay got it's sound. I doubt they actually intentionally copied JEAM. That seems ridiculous, but it certainly has the sound and the catchy beginning; so, maybe they did! At a certain point one must recognize that there are just so many sounds one can use and they are bound to show up in more than one place, yet, there are others who have claimed they "plagerized" music. It's probably all nothing, but believe what you want.

[ALS]

That is way too close to be an accident. I can see where the beat might be the same or even a riff or two. But in this case it is almost with in a note or two of being just a bad cover band. What, did they think people wouldn't remember a song written five years ago? They are either total idiots to keep doing this or they're doing it for publicity. I think the latter.

Translation of article.



The two pieces, mixed together, are here


Alizée plagiarized by Coldplay? Surprising as it may seem, is what many fans of the young singer, relaying information on their blogs and other webzines on the internet. At Viva la Vida, one of its last planetary tubes out this year, the British group would in fact largely inspired I'm tired, a song of the former muse of Mylène Farmer output in 2003.

And indeed, if we listen attentively to the offending piece, it is clear that resembles the title of Alizée. Apart from a few different arrangements and words that have obviously nothing to do, the same agreements and almost the same pace. Possible explanations for this disturbing similarity: the melody of Viva La Vida and I was so tired "banal" it necessarily looks to many existing tracks. So voluntary plagiarism or coincidence?

Denial of the English quartet

Anyway, this is not the first time the group Coldplay, and in particular singer Chris Martin, are dealing with plagiaires. Beginning in 2008, Andrew Hoepfner, leader of creaky Boards, obscure group had accused New York, including internet, Chris Martin for his largely inspired by their song The Song I Did not Write (translate the song I did not written ...).
This title has been played by the group during a concert in New York in October 2007 in which the singer of Coldplay attended.

At that first indictment, the British quartet has already responded. In a denial issued in June 2008 by the English music magazine NME (New Musical Express), he said, evidence that Chris Martin has never attended the concert in question as it was in recording session in a studio in London.

Remains "the case Alizée." And to silence the rumor circulating on the web globalized, there is no doubt that Coldplay will have a good explanation. It is expected therefore denied the next, final and without appeal.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

That is way too close to be an accident. I can see where the beat might be the same or even a riff or two. But in this case it is almost with in a note or two of being just a bad cover band. What, did they think people wouldn't remember a hit song written five years ago? They are either total idiots to keep doing this or they're doing it for publicity. I think the latter.
or they thought it would go good with their song witch it does there is no reason to be upset about it

[LiliFan788]

On top of all this, an American band called Creaky Boards said that Viva la Vida was copied off of their ironically titled song, "The Songs I Didn't Write"! If you guys already know this, I'm sorry for posting it again.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

also one out there saying they copied Joe Satriani too

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so whatever its a decent song so its all good

[mavsluver41]

also one out there saying they copied Joe Satriani too... so whatever its a decent song so its all good

I have to say, Coldplay's song resembles Joe Satriani's far more than Alizée's. But I found this triple mashup a week ago, and I thought it was pretty nice:

Titled "Coldplay vs Joe Satriani ft. Alizée"

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[TheBarrett]

I actually think it sounds more similar to Satch's than Alizée's.

[Amigo!]

bam ba da bam bam ba da ba da bam bam :p

Yeah I'm bored because I'm waiting in a line that's three miles long :o

[Idéaliser]

Maybe I gotta listen better, they still don't sound alike to me :confused::confused:

[Max]

Not until Coldplay can do this:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2357/alizeeir3.png

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

^hillarious

[Topaz]

I did a search and it wasn't too hard to find. My guess is it was deliberate. :(

"In a recent interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Coldplay front man Chris Martin has admitted to plagiarizing many, if not most, of the songs he wrote. Specifically, Chris said:

“We’re definitely good, but I don’t think you can say we’re that original,” he notes. “I regard us as being incredibly good plagiarists.”

In another article, the song “Fix You” was specifically mentioned as being a copy of Elbow’s “Grace Under Pressure”. To that, guitarist Jonny Buckland had this to say.

“We’ve never so directly stolen off anyone before. We’ve never paid for our plagiarism.”

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/07/04/coldplay-admits-plagiarism/

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[Idéaliser]

I did a search and it wasn't too hard to find. My guess is it was deliberate. :(

"In a recent interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Coldplay front man Chris Martin has admitted to plagiarizing many, if not most, of the songs he wrote. Specifically, Chris said:

“We’re definitely good, but I don’t think you can say we’re that original,” he notes. “I regard us as being incredibly good plagiarists.”

In another article, the song “Fix You” was specifically mentioned as being a copy of Elbow’s “Grace Under Pressure”. To that, guitarist Jonny Buckland had this to say.

“We’ve never so directly stolen off anyone before. We’ve never paid for our plagiarism.”

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/07/04/coldplay-admits-plagiarism/

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/drumkit.jpghttp://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/small-1-1.gif

:mad: Let's get these bad boys! :o

[MonteCristo]

I don't think its simply the supposed resemblance between the songs that is causing so many people to jump the gun and fling accusations of plagiarism at Coldplay. Rather, I think it is the fact that Coldplay has built up a reputation of being plagiarists through numerous blatant quotes by bandmembers as well as other accusations from other bands. Whether or not this is true, with this stigma, it seems as though even if the slightest resemblance exists between one of their songs and another bands work, the word "plagiarism" is immediately thrown about by journalists and music fans.

Oh for crying out loud....I'm Fed Up and Long Live Life, I can really see the two songs resemblance.....one is about a king falling down on his luck, and the other is about being tired of nonsense, how could i have missed there similaritys.

[Ali]

They might have "copied" the sound of it. But one has to understand that artists are constantly influenced by other artists. So, the sound/songs may be similar to other artists that a particular artists has been influenced by. I like Coldplay anyways.

[Rocket]

I've read the articles and all the comments. I've taken into consideration all the pros and cons and I've come to this conclusion: I don't care.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I've read the articles and all the comments. I've taken into consideration all the pros and cons and I've come to this conclusion: I don't care.
YEAYEAH! that makes two of us!

[Nikita]

Plagiarize - Inspire! :)

[Tomtentp]

Sue their asses lily!!!


What did they do now again?

[Future Raptor Ace]

I think their is a certain time span were you are allowed to copied the song without someones consent.
BTW how does Weird Al get away with it, I don't think he pays for rights when he copies songs


*4 away from post # 1000*

[Chommpers]

I think their is a certain time span were you are allowed to copied the song without someones consent.
BTW how does Weird Al get away with it, I don't think he pays for rights when he copies songs


*4 away from post # 1000*

Weird Al gets consent from the artist or their people before he makes a parody and thats why their was such a big deal made about the Coolio song. He made the song because he got consent from Coolio's people, but not Coolio himself and Coolio didn't want it done. I don't know if he could be sued if he didn't get the green light, never really looked into it and I don't really know about it to much.

Not to sure if the source about the Coldplay's band members quotes are credible, but yeah not that big of a deal to me. I don't really like the bands music so I will continue to ignore them and listen to bands I like, kinda like Rocket. ;)

[Lerxst]

I did a search and it wasn't too hard to find. My guess is it was deliberate. :(

"In a recent interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Coldplay front man Chris Martin has admitted to plagiarizing many, if not most, of the songs he wrote. Specifically, Chris said:

“We’re definitely good, but I don’t think you can say we’re that original,” he notes. “I regard us as being incredibly good plagiarists.”

In another article, the song “Fix You” was specifically mentioned as being a copy of Elbow’s “Grace Under Pressure”. To that, guitarist Jonny Buckland had this to say.

“We’ve never so directly stolen off anyone before. We’ve never paid for our plagiarism.”

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/07/04/coldplay-admits-plagiarism/

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/drumkit.jpghttp://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/small-1-1.gif

I think I interpret this quote a little differently. I don't think he was suggesting that they plagiarize other artists deliberately. Rather, it's a subconscious effect.

No art is truly "original". All artists are influenced to some extent by others and their creative output is an amalgam of those influences. That's how I interpreted the quote.

[Lerxst]

Incidentally, I don't hear the similarity to JAM at all.

[Topaz]

For the fan it may well not be a big thing.
For the owner, Requiem Publishing, it may well be. Copy rights & owner's rights can be a tricky sitch. (and expensive) ;):eek:



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[YesterdaysAirRace]

So I woke up this morning, and there on the front page of Yahoo! was a story about Joe Satriani suing Coldplay for plagiarizing <i>Viva La Vida</i> from <i>If I Could Fly</i>.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article5292481.ece

So lessee, <i>J'en Ai Marre</i> pre-dates Satriani's by a few years, so clearly we need to be agitating for Laurent Boutonnat to be suing both of them; if not on principal, then on the premise that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" ;)

(Of course I think that Creaky Boards song pre-dates all of them, so maybe this is their chance to sue everyone, get rich, and become famous. Litigation: it's the American way!)

[Youpidou1]

Wow I can't believe that someone would go all the way to blame someone else for trying to write some good music using other good music. Yeah the music sounds like JEAM but the lyrics don't go with the song. Seriously it's not worth it. Let Coldplay go, I only like one of there songs but they are loved beyond France so it's a complement.

[YesterdaysAirRace]

Wow I can't believe that someone would go all the way to blame someone else for trying to write some good music using other good music. Yeah the music sounds like JEAM but the lyrics don't go with the song. Seriously it's not worth it. Let Coldplay go, I only like one of there songs but they are loved beyond France so it's a complement.
Huh? It's about the $$$. George Harrison was famously sued by the publishing company that owned <i>He's So Fine</i> because they claimed he used it to write <i>My Sweet Lord</i>. That lawsuit went on for most of the rest of his life. Dolly Parton was sued by someone who owned the rights to an obscure song from the 1920's, claiming her hit <i>9 to 5</i> was cribbed from it. The Flaming Lips were strongarmed by Cat Stevens' people after their lead singer shot off his mouth and admitted the song <i>Flight Test</i> was "inspired" by <i>Father and Son</i> (they now share the royalties). The Bee Gees spent years fighting some no-name songwriter from Chicago who claimed they stole a song he wrote and reworked it into <i>How Deep Is Your Love</i>.

Except for <i>Flight Test</i>, these songs were monster hits. So is <i>Viva La Vida</i>. No one wastes their time suing a songwriter for ripping a song that didn't sell any better than the original. If Joe Satriani thinks he can now get some of the massive profits from that song for himself, he's damn well going to do it, even if he's secretly the biggest closet Coldplay fan in the world. It's just good business.

[rcs]

After attending Coldplay's last concert in America (Phoenix) I have to confess that when they played the first few chords, it struck a nerve in me that had the hairs on the back of my neck rise! :blink: I wished it had been Lili playing JEAM. In fact, I imagined what it would have been like for thousands of people who packed the Jobing.com arena to be cheering for Lili while she work the stage. But, it was Coldplay, facial hair without hip gyrations, or fancing dance moves. I loved the show BTW. :D

[Chommpers]

After attending Coldplay's last concert in America (Phoenix) I have to confess that when they played the first few chords, it struck a nerve in me that had the hairs on the back of my neck rise! :blink: I wished it had been Lili playing JEAM. In fact, I imagined what it would have been like for thousands of people who packed the Jobing.com arena to be cheering for Lili while she work the stage. But, it was Coldplay, facial hair without hip gyrations, or fancing dance moves. I loved the show BTW. :D

I know what you mean by it striking a nerve. I was at a bowling alley looking around try to pick a ball with the right finger placement and weight and all of a sudden I heard coldplays song start playing but I didn't think it was coldplay at first. It felt like someone poked my brain and said HEY LISTEN! (like navi for us nerds). My head went up and I was still so I could listen better, like a state of shock almost, they are playing Alizée? Are you kidding me! It is sort of hard to explain. Then a moment later I was like awww its just coldplay. It really puts it in to perspective of how Jessica must have felt when she heard Alizée's song start while she was in the store, only it was Alizée for real and in the flesh.

[Roman]

http://unbrinalize.free.fr/site.php
BFM tv had a thing about ColdPlay and the plagerism and they talked about Alizée and put on a clip of JEAM. This thing with ColdPlay is just not ending. I hope they didn't actually do what they are accused of, in which case, leave them alone already.

[Ruroshen]

http://unbrinalize.free.fr/site.php
BFM tv had a thing about ColdPlay and the plagerism and they talked about Alizée and put on a clip of JEAM. This thing with ColdPlay is just not ending. I hope they didn't actually do what they are accused of, in which case, leave them alone already.

Y'know, it has occurred to me that we could get some mileage out of this as far as promoting Alizée in the States goes, if we really wanted to. Especially now that news of the Satriani suit is being picked up everywhere.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it is an idea...

[Tchaikovsky]

Y'know, it has occurred to me that we could get some mileage out of this as far as promoting Alizée in the States goes, if we really wanted to. Especially now that news of the Satriani suit is being picked up everywhere.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it is an idea...
I like it.

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

it struck a nerve in me that had the hairs on the back of my neck rise! :blink: I wished it had been Lili playing JEAM. In fact, I imagined what it would have been like for thousands of people who packed the Jobing.com arena to be cheering for Lili while she work the stage. But, it was Coldplay, facial hair without hip gyrations, or fancing dance moves. I loved the show BTW. :D

I would pay just to see lili do once more JEAM dance and actually sing it
heck i would even pay just to see her.

[espire]

The IV-V-I-vi chord progression is extremely common.

[YesterdaysAirRace]

Y'know, it has occurred to me that we could get some mileage out of this as far as promoting Alizée in the States goes, if we really wanted to. Especially now that news of the Satriani suit is being picked up everywhere.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it is an idea...

I think it's a great idea. The only bad publicity is no publicity. I've already mentioned it on a few message boards that are hosting debates about the Satriani lawsuit. Considering that the JEAM video seems to be the main gateway drug to Alizée, it seems a sure-fire thing to say, "hey, check this out, doesn't THIS sound like <i>If I Could Fly</i>? That's all it takes, right? Three minutes later they're out on the same street corner as the rest of us, begging for our next hit. :D

[Ruroshen]

The Sun UK is already on the case for us: Lili gets mentioned in the second paragraph of this story (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2013268.ece) on the case, and JEAM is linked at the bottom along with If I Could Fly and Creaky Boards.

Now we just need a few of the North American news outlets to pick this up and run with it.

[Ben]

The Sun UK is already on the case for us: Lili gets mentioned in the second paragraph of this story (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2013268.ece) on the case, and JEAM is linked at the bottom along with If I Could Fly and Creaky Boards.
Hah, that's great! I swear this whole thing is hilarious, though. Lets add more songs to the list, it's a conspiracy I tell ya! :)

[Amigo!]

The Sun UK is already on the case for us: Lili gets mentioned in the second paragraph of this story (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2013268.ece) on the case, and JEAM is linked at the bottom along with If I Could Fly and Creaky Boards

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45669&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=30f163b269fd979c7aaf91535d9305ee

[Ruroshen]

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45695&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=7c6ac77ae47ad536145288576f89ff50

Hee! I've missed this meme. :p

[heyamigo]

hey congrats on your 1k amigo!

[Amigo!]

hey congrats on your 1k amigo!

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45697&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=30f163b269fd979c7aaf91535d9305ee

Thanks! :o

[Tchaikovsky]

The Sun UK is already on the case for us: Lili gets mentioned in the second paragraph of this story (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2013268.ece) on the case, and JEAM is linked at the bottom along with If I Could Fly and Creaky Boards.

Now we just need a few of the North American news outlets to pick this up and run with it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1945960.ece

[Amigo!]

They have responded...

http://www.coldplay.com/newsdetail.php?id=242

[Idéaliser]

ehehe Sun UK is fun :P

[Tchaikovsky]

They have responded...

http://www.coldplay.com/newsdetail.php?id=242
They didn't even mention Alizée..

[i_luv_alizee]

I think it was The Sun article that had snippets of all three songs. Anyway I listened to them and I can't really hear much similarity between the Joe and Coldplay songs. But I do hear similarities between Coldplay and Alizée. I've mentioned it before either on here or somewhere else, but I do think those songs are a little too close. But no, I don't think Joe has a legitimate complaint.

[Amigo!]

Hah, look at what they are talking about over on the Coldplay fan forum LOL :p

http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2678014&postcount=37

"So if Satriani is suing Coldplay, should Alizee sue Satriani? We'll leave Creaky Boards out of it cause they've obviously got no money." :p

[edgar93]

Right, they don't mention Alizee, but anyways, she is affected. I really get mad at coldplay's song (viva la vida) whenever I hear it on the radio, 'coz it could be JEAM instead of it :(. (I don't mean I hate coldplay or I have something against them.)
I don't really know if they were aware of JEAM, or Satriani's song, but the fact that Lilly's song was first, and Viva la vida is having or was having some succes, stills being unfair for me . I wish more people, at least, knew Viva La Vida is so similar to JEAM ( well, Viva la Vida is similar to JEAM, not the opposite, but they don't know).. that way they could discover Alizee. It would be like promoting her, just like Ruro said.

[Tchaikovsky]

Will I ever be able to walk into a mall, store, restaurant etc. here in the US and hear JEAM playing, and it be a normal thing?

[Amigo!]

Will I ever be able to walk into a mall, store, restaurant etc. here in the US and hear JEAM playing, and it be a normal thing?

Maybe... If we play our cards right. :cool:

[Ben]

They didn't even mention Alizée..
Those bastards! That's it, I'm siding with Satriani!

Just kidding. Actually, I'm very much inclined to accept Coldplay's statment. It was pretty nice.

[Tchaikovsky]

Those bastards! That's it, I'm siding with Satriani!

Just kidding. Actually, I'm very much inclined to accept Coldplay's statment. It was pretty nice.
No!! Don't believe Coldplay's lies! I can't believe I used to like them.

[puffyrock2]

The Coldplay and Satriani songs only sound slightly similar to me, certainly not tnough to warrant a lawsuit. However, you can't argue with the man who gave us this classic.
http://www.satriani.com/discography/Surfing_With_The_Alien/Surfing_With_The_Alien.jpg

[Amigo!]

The really funny thing about all this, is that I've seen all three in concert this year :p


1. Santana
2. Alizée
3. Alizée
4. Alizée
5. Coldplay
6. Yelle
7. Joe Satriani
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra

:rolleyes:

[Roman]

They didn't even mention Alizée..
She's not suing anyone. And of course Alizée herself does not care (I think). She either has no desire (nor perhaps permission) to even use the music anymore in her concerts, etc. If there was an obvious rip off, Boutonnat might sue someone.
Right, they don't mention Alizee, but anyways, she is affected. I really get mad at coldplay's song (viva la vida) whenever I hear it on the radio, 'coz it could be JEAM instead of it :(. (I don't mean I hate coldplay or I have something against them.)
I don't really know if they were aware of JEAM, or Satriani's song, but the fact that Lilly's song was first, and Viva la vida is having or was having some succes, stills being unfair for me . I wish more people, at least, knew Viva La Vida is so similar to JEAM ( well, Viva la Vida is similar to JEAM, not the opposite, but they don't know).. that way they could discover Alizee. It would be like promoting her, just like Ruro said.
Yeah, I like that Coldplay song, but I much rather would have liked it to actually be a JEAM remix. Anyway, some Coldplay fans know about Alizée now.

Hah, that's great! I swear this whole thing is hilarious, though. Lets add more songs to the list, it's a conspiracy I tell ya! :)
Yeah, we need a computer program to analyze songs and just run any and all new songs we can get through it to find ones similar to Alizée songs, then let the accusations fly!

[Tchaikovsky]

She either has no desire (nor perhaps permission) to even use the music anymore in her concerts, etc.
What are you saying, she can't sing JEAM in her concerts?

[Roman]

What are you saying, she can't sing JEAM in her concerts?
Did you watch the concert clips or the "Acoustic" tv show? She sang JEAM, but with totally different music and a different style. She has not used any of the original music, elements of it yes, for any of her earlier songs that she has sung in the last year. Maybe she just wanted to mix it up and do something different to try to make it feel more like her current album, but for all I know she might not even have permission to use it. Just thinking of possibilities.

[outlaw]

its a damn song! dnt end the world because of it!! its entertainment! i mean how petty can u get if ur making a war over something insignificant as that??

i just think viva la vida is a great song and there's sum jealous people out there. i listened 2 dat comparison of coldplay and alizee and coldplays beat is faster than hers and there's no similarities @ all. if there is i dnt see it.

i never thought i would live in a time where people argue over something that comes out of their throats and imagination.

[Tchaikovsky]

its a damn song! dnt end the world because of it!! its entertainment! i mean how petty can u get if ur making a war over something insignificant as that??

i just think viva la vida is a great song and there's sum jealous people out there. i listened 2 dat comparison of coldplay and alizee and coldplays beat is faster than hers and there's no similarities @ all. if there is i dnt see it.

i never thought i would live in a time where people argue over something that comes out of their throats and imagination.
So you're saying Viva la Vida is better than JEAM? :mad:;)

[Amigo!]

Anyway, some Coldplay fans know about Alizée now.

Exactly... ;)

[outlaw]

yes and no. its catchy wit great background music.

[Youpidou1]

Infact the new Coldplay song isn't half bad. When I was at work I was listening to it.

[edgar93]

What are you saying, she can't sing JEAM in her concerts?
Did you watch the concert clips or the "Acoustic" tv show? She sang JEAM, but with totally different music and a different style. She has not used any of the original music, elements of it yes, for any of her earlier songs that she has sung in the last year. Maybe she just wanted to mix it up and do something different to try to make it feel more like her current album, but for all I know she might not even have permission to use it. Just thinking of possibilities.
She either has no desire (nor perhaps permission) to even use the music anymore in her concerts, etc. If there was an obvious rip off, Boutonnat might sue someone.

I don't get that yet. On my earlier days :wub:, when I just knew about Alizee, one of the very first things I did was to read the wikipedia article. It used to say (because now It doesn't) that she decided, by herself, to leave the rights of her first 2 albums to Laurent and Mylene, and now, she had to make new remixes or edit the songs. So that means, that I will never hear her singing the same songs she sang on other concerts before :eek:!?
Unfortunately, I was not there :(, but she did not sing the original versions of MCE's and Gourmandise's songs, right?

And if that is right (that she doesnt have the permission), why doesn't Mylene (or Laurent) say "Oh, no please, Lilly, go ahead, perform the original songs" !?. Or does Lilly really wants to make new versions of the songs? or she did that just because she thought it was the right decision to leave them the rights of the songs :confused:?

Anyway, some Coldplay fans know about Alizée now


Well, at least, we get something of this :rolleyes:.

[mavsluver41]

I don't get that yet. On my earlier days :wub:, when I just knew about Alizee, one of the very first things I did was to read the wikipedia article. It used to say (because now It doesn't) that she decided, by herself, to leave the rights of her first 2 albums to Laurent and Mylene, and now, she had to make new remixes or edit the songs. So that means, that I will never hear her singing the same songs she sang on other concerts before :eek:!?
Unfortunately, I was not there :(, but she did not sing the original versions of MCE's and Gourmandise's songs, right?

And if that is right (that she doesnt have the permission), why doesn't Mylene (or Laurent) say "Oh, no please, Lilly, go ahead, perform the original songs" !?. Or does Lilly really wants to make new versions of the songs? or she did that just because she thought it was the right decision to leave them the rights of the songs :confused:?




Well, at least, we get something of this :rolleyes:.

And...cue trademark Lerxst lecture on licensing :p.

[Lerxst]

And...cue trademark Lerxst lecture on licensing :p.

LMAO

I was actually going to let it go this time because I figured most people would be sick of hearing my spiel every time. But if you insist...

To make a long story short, you can't copyright an arrangement of a song, only the song itself. She does not need Mylene or Laurent's permission to perform the original versions. Basically, Lily has chosen not to sing the original arrangements of the songs.

End of lecture. :cool:

[Roman]

LMAO

I was actually going to let it go this time because I figured most people would be sick of hearing my spiel every time. But if you insist...

To make a long story short, you can't copyright an arrangement of a song, only the song itself. She does not need Mylene or Laurent's permission to perform the original versions. Basically, Lily has chosen not to sing the original arrangements of the songs.

End of lecture. :cool:
Well, at least this time I saw that; so, it removes any possibility of doubt of that which we figured was the case (assuming that applies to France, of course, when she was in Mexico I guess that's all irrelevant).
Yeah, she has said something about wanting to fit the musical environment of her current album or something to that effect. Basically, she moved on and wanted to do her own thing in life.

[DJ_Greg]

I don't think Satriani really has a case, especially considering that this song predates Coldplay and Satch (and Alizée):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUXda-RTE_c

Advance to about 3:18...it's the same thing. If Satch wins any royalties from Coldplay, he should have to turn around and send them all to Cat Stevens.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

[Tchaikovsky]

I don't think Satriani really has a case, especially considering that this song predates Coldplay and Satch (and Alizée):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUXda-RTE_c

Advance to about 3:18...it's the same thing. If Satch wins any royalties from Coldplay, he should have to turn around and send them all to Cat Stevens.

The whole thing is ridiculous.
You've never liked Alizée, have you? ;)

[johnkim2222003]

You've never liked Alizée, have you?

I think it is improper using some communist techniques to excuse or doubt some one, who has been on this board so long and wrote so many comments.

[Tchaikovsky]

I think it is improper using some communist techniques to excuse or doubt some one, who has been on this board so long and wrote so many comments.
You've never liked Alizée, have you? ;)
Sorry. Fixed..I was being sarcastic.

[DJ_Greg]

You've never liked Alizée, have you? ;)

We shared a summer fling. :cool:

I think it is improper using some communist techniques to excuse or doubt some one, who has been on this board so long and wrote so many comments.

Thank you for the defense! I assumed Tchaikovsky was kidding, though. Now, if someone like mibir said it...

[johnkim2222003]

I just wanted to use the word of "communist" to counteract the Capitalist. However, I did not believe I used well here. Anyway, Tchaikovsky, I lived in Indianapolis for many years. My kids, wife and I are still regarding ourselves as Hoosiers.

[Tchaikovsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUXda-RTE_c
Curse you for posting this link! I cannot stop listening to that song now. :cool::p

[DJ_Greg]

Curse you for posting this link! I cannot stop listening to that song now. :cool::p

Haha, I'm...sorry? :D

[LL Cool B]

So if Coldplay wins a grammy tonight, can we wage some sort of protest. Maybe spam their site or something.

I was also thinking it would be cool if any one of AA's LA area members were at the Grammy's tonight, they could shout some pro Alizee stuff during thier acceptance speech. (if they win)

-B

[c-dawg777]

I don't know about anybody else, but I think it's a catchy song. lol

[OGRE]

We shared a summer fling. :cool:


What was his name?
:p

[Dark Engine]

So I decided to read the wiki entry on this and it says that Creaky Boards retracted their statement of Coldplay stealing the song from them. The bit came from a news article from telegraph.co.uk claiming that the song may have been influenced by legend of zelda, wtf?

Hmm expanding on this thought, Alizée is gorgeous enough to play the role of Zelda if it became a movie; but as a blonde? idk....

edit: I think I figured it out, the tune of the lyrics resemble Death Mountain from the original NES Legend of Zelda. The music's resemblance to the beat of JEAM is still debatable. Maybe they just jacked the whole thing.

[puffyrock2]

So if Coldplay wins a grammy tonight, can we wage some sort of protest. Maybe spam their site or something.

Heck, if enough artists with actual talent win a grammy tonight, we should all jump off a bridge.
Not to worry though, that wouldn't be a possibility, would it?

[i_luv_alizee]

Well Coldplay won a Grammy. And guess which song it was for? :(

[Ruroshen]

Well Coldplay won a Grammy. And guess which song it was for? :(
J'en ai Marre? No, wait... :p

[Roman]

Well Coldplay won a Grammy. And guess which song it was for? :(
Yeah. It's a great song. Bravo Laurent ! :p

[Amigo!]

Yeah. It's a great song. Bravo Laurent ! :p

Yeah LOL, the name of the guy NO ONE remembers :p


yay coldplay! :D

[Dark Engine]

Legend of Zelda + Alizée = Grammy

And as far as I can recall, JEAM didn't get any awards. The entertainment industry is really going down the drain...

And for those who are curious as to what I'm refering. This is the one tune I know of resembles viva la vida. 8 bit coldplay? Possibly

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[Roman]

Legend of Zelda + Alizée = Grammy

And as far as I can recall, JEAM didn't get any awards. The entertainment industry is really going down the drain...

And for those who are curious as to what I'm refering. This is the one tune I know of resembles viva la vida. 8 bit coldplay? Possibly

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Wow. That's a pretty long stretch there. Maybe a musician can hear it easily...
Well, Coldplay deserves it I think. I really like some of their songs, but somehow it's just never the same as Alizée. She was anchored in music perhaps but she has been a phenomenon way beyond just music. She embodied some of the most powerful draws that can be made upon a man: a very attractive female and great music all rolled into one and presented as a mystery, a mission, an anticipation, a bright new world of possibility... I couldn't resist.

And yes, sadly the flight of fantasy Alizée made, winging her way on the music of Laurent Boutonnat, like the Monarch butterfly soaring on the warm winds to Mexico, has, like that other marvelous phenomenon of nature, gotten less recognition than one struck by it's beauty can imagine possible.

[Dark Engine]

Wow. That's a pretty long stretch there. Maybe a musician can hear it easily...

Yeah, it is a stretch. But the whole "Legend of Zelda" concept was something Creek Boards said. Creek Boards initially claimed that Coldplay stole the song from them back in 2007 but retracted the comment saying that they were both probably influenced by legend of zelda. I'm not even positive that this is the correct tune, but it's the only one I can think of atm. I don't really care enough to go digging through all the past zelda tunes to find if I'm right.

I have to admit, the song is catchy. If I were coldplay, I would start going around saying that I crossed Alizée and Zelda on purpose, bow down to my uberness. :)

[LL Cool B]

So when I saw this story on the front page of CNN, I thought our girl would get a mention. But nope...........Effing C~@k Suckers!

-B

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[Ray4AJ]

proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbqFYUmmf0