Grand Rex Postponement Discussion (Merged)

[Ben]

This is the official explanation from http://www.kimaimemesuive.fr:

ALIZEE vient d’être récompensée d’un Luna’s Award, l’équivalent de nos Victoires de la Musique, et devra se rendre fin octobre au Mexique pour la remise du trophée.

KI M’AIME ME SUIVE, producteur de la tournée, se voit donc contraint de décaler le concert prévu au Grand Rex du 23 octobre 2008 au samedi 28 mars 2009 dans la même salle et ceci dans un souci de cohérence avec la seconde partie de la tournée qui a été reportée début 2009.

La Production et l’Artiste s’excusent du désagrément occasionné par ce changement de date. Les billets restent valables à la date du report mais peuvent également être remboursés dans les points de vente si souhaité. ALIZEE proposera un rendez-vous réservé à ses fans d’ici à la fin de l’année.
Basically it's saying the date was rescheduled so she could attend an awards ceremony in Mexico. However, which one do they mean? There are three possibilities that I know of:

- MTVLA Awards on October 16th (the most important)
- Lunas del Auditorio on October 29th (the name matches. Ironic, it's an award for best concert!)
- Premios Oye 2008, date unknown (matches the "Victoires de la Musique" description)

Sooo...???

Regardless it's a terrible excuse, none are right on the 23rd. I'm sure low ticket sales are the real reason. Can't say how sick it makes me feel. I'm speechless, and really don't feel like spending more energy on her. I'll always be around, but with news like this...

It's just not worth going out of one's way to promote or do Alizée things anymore when we get so little in return. I won't point fingers, it doesn't matter who's at fault, that's just how it is. I'm out $1500 on this trip, but worse still is the wasted time and effort.

[mavsluver41]

There has been an excess of :( in the past few days, and with good reason: the situation is dire. But I think one good thing will come from it. For Alizée it is now ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to communicate with fans. That has been the biggest criticism ever since her return, and it must be assessed now or never. As much as it pains me to admit it, her career hangs in the balance: everything depends her realization of the previously mentioned fact. With the slew of messages urging fan interaction from notable fans like Brian, Roman, and others on her myspace (as well as some harsh "wake up and smell the coffee" ones from RMJ and others), I trust Lili will acquiesce.

Because although we on the forums will continue to support and believe in her, a relatively small group of fans, regardless of dedication, cannot keep a musical career afloat.

The die has been cast and the board is set: its your move, Lili.

[Sir Wood]

!!!NEW MISSION PRIORITY MESSAGE!!!

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3560/mongooseei4.th.png (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mongooseei4.png)

[lefty12357]

Yeah, the awards thing is a terrible excuse. Whether it’s true or not, Alizée comes off as looking like a very selfish and inconsiderate person. It would have been better to tell the truth, which I'm sure is about poor ticket sales.

For damage control, she appears to be planning to meet with her French fans at the end of the year. And I suppose Team Alizée is hoping that the few Mexicans that were traveling to France will at least be appeased by the fact that she’s coming to Mexico again.

That leaves the USA and other international fans who may suffer the worst, at least financially, and are receiving absolutely nothing in return. Maybe in Team Alizée’s calculations, those fans are not a large group and represent countries she has no interest in, and are therefore, unimportant and expendable. It seems cold to me, if that’s the case.

I hope she speaks up for a change. If ever there was a time for Alizée to break her code of silence, it’s now. I‘m sure everyone would like to hear an honest explanation directly from her to clear some of this up. I find her current level of fan/artist interaction unsatisfying and somewhat lacking.

I feel bad for you guys who were going to go to the concert. I wasn’t going, and as of now, I won’t plan on traveling to see her in the future. Until I hear different, she now seems like too much of a risk to me.

Yesterday evening I was feeling very sorry for her because I thought tickets sales were bad and she was facing a painful dilemma. I imagined her being worried sick about the fans and the loss of time and money they would endure. I posted a note of support on her myspace. I sure hope my support hasn’t been misplaced.

[Idéaliser]

I feel bad for you guys who were going to go to the concert. I wasn’t going, and as of now, I won’t plan on traveling to see her in the future. Until I hear different, she now seems like too much of a risk to me.

Yeah, I'm stuck here in France for like 3 weeks without a Lili concert D:

But I supposed I can enjoy the culture :)

[Amigo!]

This website states that Alizée has already won the Luna's award:

Zeus the president of Alizée México spoke to Sony and they told him she has not won a thing. So he's still waiting for more info about what's going on.

[Future Raptor Ace]

This is the official explanation from http://www.kimaimemesuive.fr:


Basically it's saying the date was rescheduled so she could attend an awards ceremony in Mexico. However, which one do they mean? There are three possibilities that I know of:

- MTVLA Awards on October 16th (the most important)
- Lunas del Auditorio on October 29th (the name matches. Ironic, it's an award for best concert!)
- Premios Oye 2008, date unknown (matches the "Victoires de la Musique" description)

Sooo...???

Regardless it's a terrible excuse, none are right on the 23rd. I'm sure low ticket sales are the real reason. Can't say how sick it makes me feel. I'm speechless, and really don't feel like spending more energy on her. I'll always be around, but with news like this...

It's just not worth going out of one's way to promote or do Alizée things anymore when we get so little in return. I won't point fingers, it doesn't matter who's at fault, that's just how it is. I'm out $1500 on this trip, but worse still is the wasted time and effort.
^wow thats saying a lot coming from you, the man who puts so effort in for Alizee. Im sorry about your 1,500 bucks.
We all know now that a US tour is definitely out of the picture this year. You think Alizee is regretting splitting from Farmer?

[Roman]

Yeah, I'm stuck here in France for like 3 weeks without a Lili concert D:

But I supposed I can enjoy the culture :)
I spent 2 months in Paris. It was tied strongly to Alizée as a reason. The only reason I would go back now is to meet the other fans since I already spent so much money.

But I still want to believe that I can be an Alizée fan even if I can't ever put such risk in again. I think that even if the cancelation of the concert had been necessary, if it had been handled right I would still want to go in the future, though I don't know if I would/will be able to.

I reallllly did not think her career was going that badly. I though the Mexico thing was good because it was giving her a great boost and maybe it would even help get her over hear. But you know what, with the exception of Snatcher and a little bit of effort here or there, we haven't done shit! We have not done what would be necessary to get her over here and yeah, maybe we never could because maybe there just aren't enough Americans who would ever think she's worthwhile. Apparently that's also what her current managers think. Seems like they have been thinking the same about France too. My first inclination about that fan meeting by the end of the year is to think they want to asses if there's still enough interest in France to bother trying to do another concert. That's why she went in March to Mexico. That's what that stuff is for. It's not because she loves her fans and wants to meet them, it's just another business mechanism. Please Alizée prove me wrong about that. I pray that she does something, anything to make me think that's at least half not accurate. Even then it doesn't really matter too much. If she at least respects us as humans, that would be nice. Apparently her business folks don't. Make me a believer. Hey, as far as counting money goes, I have spent 100 times as much as the average Mexican. Maybe more. And that's just on merchandise and concert tickets, not counting airfare, hotels, etc etc.

[lefty12357]

I can't help but to think the US and international fans are out in the cold on this one. She'll take care of her loyal French fans and of course she will be back in Mexico. But I guess I've never felt like we mattered that much to Alizée and/or her team, but I've enjoyed her music and performances all the same. It's the bittersweet aspect of being an Alizée fan from the USA...

Alizée could be cold hearted about this whole thing, or maybe she’s been crying her eyes out for the last 48 hours. She could be just casually brushing this whole incident off or she could be sick with grief over it. It's probably very hard for her to share with us her feelings, but I think she needs to do it.

[Sir Wood]

I can't help but to think the US and international fans are out in the cold on this one. She'll take care of her loyal French fans and of course she will be back in Mexico. But I guess I've never felt like we mattered that much to Alizée and/or her team, but I've enjoyed her music and performances all the same. It's the bittersweet aspect of being an Alizée fan from the USA...
Quite true and especially the last.

[Roman]

I wouldn't get your hopes up too high on that last sentence....sorry to burst ur bubbles. But if it does go down, it makes more sense to do something on a smaller scale....but gettin invited is going to be another thing. How they determine that will probably leave many loyal fans out in the cold and heartbroken...again...:(
Bubbles burst? It may be possible to reschedule plane tickets or keep them up in the air (no pun intended) for up to a year in some cases. But we have to decide to still go for a fan meeting or if possible do that waiting in case March actually by some miracle works out. Oh how I would love to be contacted with a decent explanation of this and be invited to meet with Alizée at a time/place I can actually attend. That's not a bubble. It's a wish.

I can't help but to think the US and international fans are out in the cold on this one. She'll take care of her loyal French fans and of course she will be back in Mexico. But I guess I've never felt like we mattered that much to Alizée and/or her team, but I've enjoyed her music and performances all the same. It's the bittersweet aspect of being an Alizée fan from the USA...

Alizée could be cold hearted about this whole thing, or maybe she’s been crying her eyes out for the last 48 hours. She could be just casually brushing this whole incident off or she could be sick with grief over it. It's probably very hard for her to share with us her feelings, but I think she needs to do it.
She does need to share with us because it matters to us what she actually thinks.

[Ben]

I can't help but to think the US and international fans are out in the cold on this one. She'll take care of her loyal French fans and of course she will be back in Mexico.
If ticket sales were as low as reported, then international sales made up a rather large part of them. And of course we're the one's hardest hit by this. So even if it doesn't make the most business sense, I'd be very disappointed if any compensation event for the delay didn't somehow acknowledge us. And that's all I'll say on the matter until we hear more.

Sorry if my comments seem too negative. More so on AF than on here, people are asking if we should "blame Alizée" for this. I don't see why that matters. This isn't about faith in Alizée as an individual, but in her as an artist and as a business. I don't care who's at fault here or why - it happened. I don't blame Alizée personally because I don't even think that far. She's an entertainer, being her fan is supposed to be fun, not a headache. We've all been more than willing to do our part, but we're not seeing a return on that effort anymore. So I have to wonder how much it's worth it.

It's like with the current presidential debates. Both candidates try to blame the other for all the problems in our country at the moment. But I always find myself thinking, "I don't care who's fault it is, I just want to know who has the better plan to get us out of it!" Unfortunately, we haven't been hearing of any solutions to Alizée's problems from her camp.

So sure an explanation would be nice, but it's not really going to mean anything until things start to change. And I don't care who makes that happen as long as it does. If it's out of Lili's ability, then that's a real shame and I feel sorry for her. But I'm not gonna throw myself on a sword either. There's more to life than this. My first nephew was born last week, for instance, and it's not right that I've been worrying about this more the past few days than been thinking about his sweet face.

[techno_Millenium]

I left a little comment on her myspace. Let's see if it gets deleted too. This is not fair to anyone. I'm beginning to wonder, i think the GRand Rex is haunted or something, like, ok, i'm trying to make a little fun here between all the anger i feel right now, but last year i was supposed to go to Anna Vissi's concert (she's a greek singer) that was going to happen at the Grand Rex too on 25th October. Guess what, 2 weeks before it was canceled too. Do you know what was the excuse? Anna was performing the night before in Bruxelles and the excuse was that they wouldn't have time to move all the equipment from one venue to the other in just one day!!!!!!!! Yeah that's right, no more no less. Now if they already new this why did they let things run until 2 weeks before the event???? So, i think the reason is all the same for both concerts and it is: LOW TICKET SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And in MArch they are going to be even low. This was all a big mistake from Alizee's managment company.

[C-4]

I have not been able to afford to go to France, or Mexico, or any other place to see Alizée as some here have already done.

I do feel bad for those of you who have made the expensive committment to see her in Paris and wish that I had the cash to have made that trip myself, but when all is said and done, I do not blame Alizée for any of this.
She has a managament company and record company who make these decisions. Yes, she may have a word about it, but the final decision is based on what the company decides the bottom line will be.

Look at the entire world financial market situation. It has hit everyone, and may in fact become more bleak as time moves forward. This being the case, it is very possible that the tightening of spendable income has caused the cancellation of the show, along with other events that may have been planned for other artists, who may not have a top world following. There are those who may not have purchased advanced tickets, but may have tried to buy then just before the show.

I'm sure that unless Alizée had put all of her earned income into gold, that she as well has taken a serious financial hit.

Things are going to change for everyone after the mess the lying crooks in government and on Wall street have left to us.

While I understand the disapointment and possible blame some here might wish to express, remember that no one knows the real story yet. No one may ever know the "real" story. Alizée's company may instruct her on what to say, or she may just state what caused this cancellation on her own.

I have become an Alizée fan not because of expecting to receive something from her, but because she gave of herself and I accepted what she offered openly and without conditions attached.

I will remain a fan unconditionally, which is how I believe a real fan should think about it. Believe me, I would be extremely pissed off to lose the money I hear some of you are losing, and I understand your being mad as hell. However, until I found out the reason, blaming Alizée, or feeling mad at her for no explanation, is like pissing down your own leg. It is all speculation and only speculation.

We don't know how she is taking this news, do we? We don't know how her personal life has been affected, do we? We don't know that something critical in her personal life has happened to affect this, do we?

If in fact it is due to low ticket sales, the concert may not make any money, but instead, may lose money. It's not like she is on tour all over the world and one venue has a low turn-out, so they can afford to absorb the loss and hold the concert anyway. Times are different now, tougher, harder, and money is tighter for all of us, including Alizée and others in France, who also are affected by the world financial crisis.

I would love to be able to see Alizée in concert one day or even get the golden opportunity to meet her personally. However, abandoning her when she may most need our support is not going to make any positive change. It may mean, however, that she may never again record or do concert work. If that happens, we all lose.

[rcs]

I'm still game for getting together with all the fans, Alizee or not. It will be helpful for me to familiarize myself with the city if I ever get another chance to go back for a concert or fan meeting with Alizee. It's an empty feeling without her visiting Paris, but if you guys decide not go, then it will definitely be an empty feeling. Please decide soon...

Edit: Okay, I just read my emails. I'm going too. Roman, call or text me at work if you have alternate plans. I totally understand.

[Roman]

I'm still game for getting together with all the fans, Alizee or not. It will be helpful for me to familiarize myself with the city if I ever get another chance to go back for a concert or fan meeting with Alizee. It's an empty feeling without her visiting Paris, but if you guys decide not go, then it will definitely be an empty feeling. Please decide soon...

Edit: Okay, I just read my emails. I'm going too. Roman, call or text me at work if you have alternate plans. I totally understand.
I lived in Paris for 2 months without Alizée. You won't be there long enough to think about how much it sucks. If someone has not been there ever or was a long long time ago (guess RCS was there once), then just think about what an interesting city it is for a couple days and go home having visited Paris. Well, I have a hotel still booked for the 21th through 26th. I'll have to figure out what days to be there.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=738617#post738617
there is a thread on Alizee-forum about a fan meeting. If you feel like me, remember to find the vomit bag when you get on the plane. You may need it. Yeah, it really is cheaper to go to Mexico and not see Alizée. Maybe it is better if she concentrates on that place. Still, I of course wanted to see her in Paris. Maybe by March I will again be able to go. I have not been able to sleep since yesterday moring; so, I'm sorry I can't think well enough to re-make plans right now, but I am really starting to think I will go to the fan meeting.
Maybe when I wake up after I finally fall asleep again, I will be delighted to see Alizée wrote us a couple words of some sort.

[techno_Millenium]

Well, i'm still going to Paris because i was going to other 2 concerts from other 2 singers on 20th and 21th. But instead of just returning on 24th i will return on 22nd October. I live in Europe so, with lowcost flights it was not diffucult to change the return flight. About this cancelation or postponed concert it seems that this is not happening just with Alizee. Last year Melissa Mars canceled her whole french tour and just gave a concert in Paris at La Cigale and Nadiya has been constantly cancelling her french tour too, due to low ticket sales, it has been postponed at least 3 times. It's really said because these artists have so much to offer.

[Roman]

...
I have become an Alizée fan not because of expecting to receive something from her, but because she gave of herself and I accepted what she offered openly and without conditions attached.

I will remain a fan unconditionally, which is how I believe a real fan should think about it. Believe me, I would be extremely pissed off to lose the money I hear some of you are losing, and I understand your being mad as hell. However, until I found out the reason, blaming Alizée, or feeling mad at her for no explanation, is like pissing down your own leg. It is all speculation and only speculation.
...
Well, C-4, without refuting what you say there, I'll just say, that's easy for you to say.
In order to ever go see Alizée and certainly to get her to come to the U.S., you would have to give a lot of yourself and really learn what it means for one to give of one's self.
Then after that you might start to feel like you need a little something more from her to keep doing it, like maybe communication of some sort at least. You might find yourself questioning yourself whether or not only being able to speculate about things is enough.
Being able to do a lot for Alizée (not that I really have done much myself) and being able to do a lot to go see Alizée (that I know about) and not requiring more than some songs and videos occasionally or someday is a difficult art to master. Indeed, one should consider it an achievement in and of itself.

[Tchaikovsky]

So...how the hell are the people who lost their money going to be repaid?

[Ben]

Why not hold the "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans" on October 23rd? That seems an easy way to compensate fans, save face, not loose money on a concert, and still make it to the awards on October 29th. There are solutions to this. Mexico can wait for one day.

[Max]

I dunno what you are talking about

He's obviously implying some kind of health/medical thing. Which means she won't be in Mexico either. Well, at least that's my theory.

[MonteCristo]

There has been an excess of :( in the past few days, and with good reason: the situation is dire. But I think one good thing will come from it. For Alizée it is now ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to communicate with fans. That has been the biggest criticism ever since her return, and it must be assessed now or never. As much as it pains me to admit it, her career hangs in the balance: everything depends her realization of the previously mentioned fact. With the slew of messages urging fan interaction from notable fans like Brian, Roman, and others on her myspace (as well as some harsh "wake up and smell the coffee" ones from RMJ and others), I trust Lili will acquiesce.

Because although we on the forums will continue to support and believe in her, a relatively small group of fans, regardless of dedication, cannot keep a musical career afloat.

The die has been cast and the board is set: its your move, Lili.

Unless one of us was simon cowl, randy johnson, or a top 100's millionaire

[MonteCristo]

I have not been able to afford to go to France, or Mexico, or any other place to see Alizée as some here have already done.

I do feel bad for those of you who have made the expensive committment to see her in Paris and wish that I had the cash to have made that trip myself, but when all is said and done, I do not blame Alizée for any of this.
She has a managament company and record company who make these decisions. Yes, she may have a word about it, but the final decision is based on what the company decides the bottom line will be.

Look at the entire world financial market situation. It has hit everyone, and may in fact become more bleak as time moves forward. This being the case, it is very possible that the tightening of spendable income has caused the cancellation of the show, along with other events that may have been planned for other artists, who may not have a top world following. There are those who may not have purchased advanced tickets, but may have tried to buy then just before the show.

I'm sure that unless Alizée had put all of her earned income into gold, that she as well has taken a serious financial hit.

Things are going to change for everyone after the mess the lying crooks in government and on Wall street have left to us.

While I understand the disapointment and possible blame some here might wish to express, remember that no one knows the real story yet. No one may ever know the "real" story. Alizée's company may instruct her on what to say, or she may just state what caused this cancellation on her own.

I have become an Alizée fan not because of expecting to receive something from her, but because she gave of herself and I accepted what she offered openly and without conditions attached.

I will remain a fan unconditionally, which is how I believe a real fan should think about it. Believe me, I would be extremely pissed off to lose the money I hear some of you are losing, and I understand your being mad as hell. However, until I found out the reason, blaming Alizée, or feeling mad at her for no explanation, is like pissing down your own leg. It is all speculation and only speculation.

We don't know how she is taking this news, do we? We don't know how her personal life has been affected, do we? We don't know that something critical in her personal life has happened to affect this, do we?

If in fact it is due to low ticket sales, the concert may not make any money, but instead, may lose money. It's not like she is on tour all over the world and one venue has a low turn-out, so they can afford to absorb the loss and hold the concert anyway. Times are different now, tougher, harder, and money is tighter for all of us, including Alizée and others in France, who also are affected by the world financial crisis.

I would love to be able to see Alizée in concert one day or even get the golden opportunity to meet her personally. However, abandoning her when she may most need our support is not going to make any positive change. It may mean, however, that she may never again record or do concert work. If that happens, we all lose.

Agreed 100%, at least i get to go to the march concert if theres going to be one...having one on octobre 23rd, the day of my birthday, is really gonna depress me

[Deepwaters]

Just a few observations here.

I had not intended to go to the October concert because it's not doable at present financially. But if it really is rescheduled for March, I might be able to do that. HOWEVER, under NO circumstances would I make a special trip to France for no other reason than to see Alizée in concert. I've been planning a trip to France for some time, intending to visit Paris and then spend some time in Corsica. If she has a concert when I go, I'll also get tickets and go to that. But to make a trip that expensive, I need other reasons besides seeing Alizée in concert. I suggest that all the rest of you might consider the validity of looking at things this way. If you had, then your plane tickets and hotel reservations wouldn't be wasted. You would have one disappointment (and I assume you'll be refunded the price of the concert tickets at least), but the entire trip wouldn't be seen as wasted effort and money.

I am extremely skeptical about this "award" business as the reason for cancelling the concert. That's lame, and I can't imagine either Alizée or her business managers would sincerely cancel a major concert just to go to an award ceremony; it would be much easier to reschedule the award, or at worst, simply send word that, sorry, she can't make it, she has a concert, but it still means a lot, and merci beaucoup or muchas gracias or whatever.

So no, the award is an excuse, not the reason. The real reason? Most likely low ticket sales -- but there is another possibility. I have sensed something not so good going on in Alizée's life recently. I don't know what it is, and I don't want to speculate publicly, but it accounts, I believe, for her recent withdrawal from the public and the lack of communication with fans. I don't think she would cancel a concert because of this -- which is why I believe the real reason is probably poor sales. But bear it in mind, please, and cut her some slack; she's not quite herself these days.

As for the possibility that the March concert will do better, one reason for the low sales at present is that the global economy is in the toilet. A few months from now, maybe things will get better. IMO, probably not that quickly, but her managers may be hoping.

And finally, I want to say that with Alizée, probably more than any other celebrity I know of, there's a tendency for fans to become obsessed to an unhealthy degree. RMJ's comments reflect this, and make little sense. One should not take this situation personally, or feel as if Alizée herself has betrayed us personally. It sucks, but it's business. To feel personally betrayed is unwarranted, and to try to get revenge, as if one were a lover who'd found her cheating on him, is simply absurd.

I feel it's best to relate to Alizée as an artist rather than as an icon. I understand how she generates the feelings she does. Her magic is powerful. But one has to get it in balance. She's a woman, and a performer, not an object of worship -- nor of anathema when the Goddess fails to answer prayers.

[C-4]

Well, C-4, without refuting what you say there, I'll just say, that's easy for you to say.
In order to ever go see Alizée and certainly to get her to come to the U.S., you would have to give a lot of yourself and really learn what it means for one to give of one's self.
Then after that you might start to feel like you need a little something more from her to keep doing it, like maybe communication of some sort at least. You might find yourself questioning yourself whether or not only being able to speculate about things is enough.
Being able to do a lot for Alizée (not that I really have done much myself) and being able to do a lot to go see Alizée (that I know about) and not requiring more than some songs and videos occasionally or someday is a difficult art to master. Indeed, one should consider it an achievement in and of itself.

Roman,
I do understand what you are speaking about. I work two jobs, seven days a week to pay just to get my family by. My wife as well works all the time.
I do wish I had the money and time to be able to go to Alizée's concert, anywhere. I have never been able to travel. All I do is work.
There is no possible way that I would have any money to go to one of her concerts, as that type of money is certainly not within my grasp. I am happy that you and others have been able to go to see her and do the things you talk about, but I have never been in that position and cannot forsee it happening anytime soon. I read about how those of you in a position to go to see Alizée had such fun, and I can only imagine what it would be like to actually have seen her live, but I realize that the possibility of that occuring is probably zero for me.
I can only do what I am able to do, which is not much at all, I agree, but it is all I am in a position to do at present.
Still, I am truly sorry that those of you able to go, have lost such a large sum of money.

[RadioactiveMan]

I can sympathize with the situation- I had tickets for a KISS concert last year that got canceled by the promoters a couple of weeks before the concert date. I was able to refund both the tickets and the hotel reservation, though.

Once tickets are sold, all parties involved have a responsibility to hold up their end. Rescheduling doesn't cut it and a full refund is meaningless. There are certainly circumstances that really would warrant rescheduling, but if that is the case this time around, why were we given such a strange excuse?

[lilly]

Why not hold the "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans" on October 23rd? That seems an easy way to compensate fans, save face, not loose money on a concert, and still make it to the awards on October 29th. There are solutions to this. Mexico can wait for one day.
I dont like this "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans". I mean who gets invited?? Only her well known hardcore fans? Or everybody who bought a ticket?? If I went to a concert in a far away place and all I got was a little talk, I would still be pissed. This little rendezvous has failure written all over it.


Once tickets are sold, all parties involved have a responsibility to hold up their end. Rescheduling doesn't cut it and a full refund is meaningless. There are certainly circumstances that really would warrant rescheduling, but if that is the case this time around, why were we given such a strange excuse?

Actually come to think of it, it's this lousy excuse that has everyone worked up. I mean if they had given us a more genuine and meaningful reason, people wouldn't be so incited. Seriously, an award show?? They couldn't come up with anything better??!

[dan]

I haven't posted in ages, but it's difficult to watch this disaster unfold without commenting. I'm so sorry for everyone who has had their plans, finances, and trust betrayed by this experience. I would guess that most of you, like me, are now feeling the exact opposite of the carefree and joyous feeling you felt when first hearing and seeing Alizee perform.

Alizee, if you're listening, NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR CAREER:

1) Communicate directly with fans on your MySpace and official sites.
2) Stop deleting posts on your MySpace site.
3) Retract the insulting and ridiculous official reason given for cancelling your concert.
4) As Snatcher42 suggested, hold a "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans" on October 23rd in Paris. Perhaps you could rent a facility, accept tickets from the concert to get in and limit the number of seats to keep things from getting uncomfortable. At least your most loyal fans, those willing to wait, would be rewarded.

I would guess that each one of these steps is so critical to your fanbase, and therefore your career, that you should probably fire any of your management that would stand in the way. I really think that you're too talented to let your career be mismanaged into oblivion.

[heyamigo]

even for the concert in march, it's probably not a sure thing. i wouldn't be surprised if it is once again postponed or even canceled. like deepwaters says, don't be planning a trip halfway across the world just for the concert.

i too, like others am somewhat puzzled by the lack of communication with the community. if she came out and said something, instead of not saying anything it would go a long way for those who are heartbroken by this news.

[Max]

If the real reason is health-related, would you demand a full disclosure, or respect her privacy?

[dan]

If the real reason is health-related, would you demand a full disclosure, or respect her privacy?

Such a reason could be disclosed in a vague way ("personal difficulties") without telling a lie, while still respecting her privacy.

Of course, I hope the reason is not health related, and I would doubt that it is considering she is substituting one public appearance with another.

[Tiwaz]

If the real reason is health-related, would you demand a full disclosure, or respect her privacy?

Personally I don't see the need for a full disclosure if it's something personal nor do I ask anything from her as a fan even though it would be nice if she keept some contact with her fans. But this situation have been handled so bad. How hard can it be to make a simple statment instead of unreasonable explanations like the award thing?

[Max]

Of course, I hope the reason is not health related, and I would doubt that it is considering she is substituting one public appearance with another.

I don't think she'll make a public appearance in Mexico.

If she does, it would disprove my theory, of course. But until then, I'll believe in my theory, as it explains most of the facts.

[Ben]

Alizee, if you're listening, NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR CAREER:

1) Communicate directly with fans on your MySpace and official sites.
2) Stop deleting posts on your MySpace site.
3) Retract the insulting and ridiculous official reason given for cancelling your concert.
4) As Snatcher42 suggested, hold a "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans" on October 23rd in Paris. Perhaps you could rent a facility, accept tickets from the concert to get in and limit the number of seats to keep things from getting uncomfortable. At least your most loyal fans, those willing to wait, would be rewarded.

I would guess that each one of these steps is so critical to your fanbase, and therefore your career, that you should probably fire any of your management that would stand in the way. I really think that you're too talented to let your career be mismanaged into oblivion.
Bravo Dan, thank you. It's good to see others start suggesting constructive measures that could be taken, instead of just analyzing the reason for the situation!

[edgar93]

Yes, she should Communicate directly with her fans!! Even if it is just once a week!!!

You are right Dan!

[Scruffydog777]

Bravo Dan, thank you. It's good to see others start suggesting constructive measures that could be taken, instead of just analyzing the reason for the situation!

I disagree with this. I'm sure this had to be one of the toughest things for her to do in her career. It's now, more than ever, she needs our support. I myself had made all kinds of plans for that week in France. I myself was devastated by the news. I've been to plenty of concerts in my time, but had never looked forward to going to one any wheres near as much as I did this one.
When her last album came out, I was the one most critical of it. Then when she performed in Moscow, I was highly critical of it too, and now it looks like I had good reason to be.

She has brought more joy and happiness into my life in the past year and a half since I found out about her, than I had in the previous 7 and it's not even close. The fault isn't with her. It's with whoever is giving her so much bad advice, whoever is managing her career. MF and LB I feel kind of used her, but they were such an awesome trio. The likes of which we'll never see again. I think this may be the end of Alizee's career and if it is, I'd like to thank her from the bottom of my heart for all the unbelievably beautiful enjoyment she has brought us.

Don't attack her. Go after whoever is running her career into the ground.

No matter what her decision is, She will always be number 1 with me.

[Ben]

What don't you agree with, Scruffydog? Like I said before, I don't think it matters who's fault this is, only what can be done now to make things better. By Alizée or by her managers, I don't care. It's not an attack on anyone.

[MonteCristo]

I disagree with this. I'm sure this had to be one of the toughest things for her to do in her career. It's now, more than ever, she needs our support. I myself had made all kinds of plans for that week in France. I myself was devastated by the news. I've been to plenty of concerts in my time, but had never looked forward to going to one any wheres near as much as I did this one.
When her last album came out, I was the one most critical of it. Then when she performed in Moscow, I was highly critical of it too, and now it looks like I had good reason to be.

She has brought more joy and happiness into my life in the past year and a half since I found out about her, than I had in the previous 7 and it's not even close. The fault isn't with her. It's with whoever is giving her so much bad advice, whoever is managing her career. MF and LB I feel kind of used her, but they were such an awesome trio. The likes of which we'll never see again. I think this may be the end of Alizee's career and if it is, I'd like to thank her from the bottom of my heart for all the unbelievably beautiful enjoyment she has brought us.

Don't attack her. Go after whoever is running her career into the ground.

No matter what her decision is, She will always be number 1 with me.

Yes, it'll take a while for some of these dudes to find there true feelings, anger, dissapointment, outrage, and fear masks your common sense really well
what you feel when you first came to realize you like her music doesnt change just because of dissapointment, it changes because you force yourself to believe in the contrary, why would I do such an outrageous thing you might ask me. I'll tell you, you did it because you were frustrated with the cancellation. what am i talking about? you guys thinking its not worth it to be her fan if she keeps neglecting your needs. Hasnt she given what you needed? the happiness, and the music, theres not much more you can take from an artist but those.

[dan]

I disagree with this. I'm sure this had to be one of the toughest things for her to do in her career. It's now, more than ever, she needs our support.
...
Don't attack her. Go after whoever is running her career into the ground.


Scruffy - No one is attacking Alizee. Snatcher42 and I are trying to suggest constructive measures to help her maintain a fanbase and continue her career. As I said, if her management stands in the way of what needs to be done, they should be fired. This seems to be your message as well. I don't understand what you disagree with, because our statements are not at odds.

[heyamigo]

to the people who says she's getting bad advice and management; could it be that there is simply no advice and no management and she's just doing things by herself for the most part? because it really seems that way, that there isn't anyone giving her guidance and direction.

[Scruffydog777]

It just sounded to me like such a direct attack on Alizee. I'm sure from the beginning of 2004, she has been getting nothing but bad advice. She was still so young, and too influenced from those around her. In the case of MF and LB, maybe it was bad advice, but those two were so wonderfully talented that the end product was magic, but now she is being influenced by amateurs and the results are what we see today. Woe is us!

[Ben]

I posted this comment on Alizée's MySpace this morning:

"Pourquoi ne faire pas le "rendez-vous réservé à ses fans" à le 23 Octobre? Pour les fans qui ont déjà des plans. Mexique attendre un jour pour vous. :)"

It too was just deleted. Ok, this is really getting to be too much!

[Scruffydog777]

I think she is really hurting right now. I'm sure it's not her deleting the messages. I know this has really hurt a lot of people, but I'm sure it's not her fault. If you really love her and all she's done for us then lets send her some messages of support and then we'll hang her managers!

[Future Raptor Ace]

you guys think this could be the end of the road for Alizee? Possibly the end of her career.
Also everyone stop blaming Alizees mangers, it could jut be Alizee herself, she is the producer so she has a lot of power.

[lefty12357]

If Alizée canceled the concert to go to an awards show, then everyone has a right to be mad at her because it’s an extremely selfish, ridiculous and unprofessional thing to do. I just don’t believe that this is the case.

If it was canceled due to poor ticket sales then no one has the right to be mad at her. It’s still a business and she and her associates and the Rex can’t operate at a loss. Instead of blaming her, blame the circumstances. Of course there could be other legitimate reasons to cancel and I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt, for now.

I still say she should speak directly to us about this because it might go a long way to settling everyone down. And I like Snatcher’s and Dan’s attitude of looking for ways to have a positive outcome for this mess, but I think Alizée needs to lead that effort if she wants to repair some of the damage done. She can't repair it by deleting any reference to it on her myspace, thinking that it will just go away. Quite frankly, that's not a very grown up way to deal with things.

And we, as fans, also need to look out for ourselves and not surrender our self respect to anyone, no matter how wonderful we may think they are.

[Scruffydog777]

you guys think this could be the end of the road for Alizee? Possibly the end of her career.
Also everyone stop blaming Alizees mangers, it could jut be Alizee herself, she is the producer so she has a lot of power.

The people in this forum are as much to blame as her or her managers. Her concert in Moscow was mediocre at best and everyone here said how wonderful it was. It was crap compared to her earlier performances and if she had gotten more constructive criticism from her fans instead of people saying anything Alizee does is golden, then maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

[Roman]

They have decided that they are going to just throw away all of her fans who have been with her for so long. I find it really incredible that Alizée will just let this happen. That's not the Alizée I thought I was following. I can't believe she's doing this except to follow the advice of heartless people. They are deleting our MySpace posts , mine, Snatcher's when we even just express our dismay and ask for simply a truthful statement from Alizée or anything. They are basically saying, no, it's over, time to move on and clean the site. And then she doesn't make any kind of address to us; so, they are quite willing to say we don't matter. If she didn't have a huge following in Mexico, then we would matter. That basically means it's all about trying to get more money. They don't want her reputation hurt and so they are cleaning her site - cleaning it of us. The wonderful Alizée who's eyes I looked into was not this Alizée, but maybe I can believe she's being given bad advice and allowed people to take over her MySpace account. I think it is the case, but it leaves me out in the cold and what am I supposed to do?

[Ben]

If it was canceled due to poor ticket sales then no one has the right to be mad at her. It’s still a business and she and her associates and the Rex can’t operate at a loss. Instead of blaming her, blame the circumstances.
Yeah, it's just the way they're handling it that's a mess. More can be done to compensate the fans and soften the blow, some of which Dan and I have suggested. The most important is just not jerking us around with a fake excuse, if that is indeed what it is.

[Scruffydog777]

They have decided that they are going to just throw away all of her fans who have been with her for so long. I find it really incredible that Alizée will just let this happen. That's not the Alizée I thought I was following. I can't believe she's doing this except to follow the advice of heartless people. They are deleting our MySpace posts , mine, Snatcher's when we even just express our dismay and ask for simply a truthful statement from Alizée or anything. They are basically saying, no, it's over, time to move on and clean the site. And then she doesn't make any kind of address to us; so, they are quite willing to say we don't matter. If she didn't have a huge following in Mexico, then we would matter. That basically means it's all about trying to get more money. They don't want her reputation hurt and so they are cleaning her site - cleaning it of us. The wonderful Alizée who's eyes I looked into was not this Alizée, but maybe I can believe she's being given bad advice and allowed people to take over her MySpace account. I think it is the case, but it leaves me out in the cold and what am I supposed to do?

I don't give a rats ass what anyone in here says. Everything I hear in here about Alizee is second or third hand at best. Until I hear from her directly, she has my respect and love. I can't believe how many people in here are so quick to throw her under the bus. If you decide you're going to hang her, you'll have to go through me first!

[Future Raptor Ace]

^^Ben lets see how long your comment on her page lasts....................
^no one wants to throw her under a buss bro, people are just mad and want an answer from her. Until she gives an answer one can only think she is to blame for this.
I feel bad for the "real" fans like Ben and Roman who invest so much time effort and money to get screwed like this.

[Tchaikovsky]

Lol nobody said they want to hang her...and nobody is attacking her either.

[pepelepew]

If Alizée canceled the concert to go to an awards show, then everyone has a right to be mad at her because it’s an extremely selfish, ridiculous and unprofessional thing to do. I just don’t believe that this is the case.

If it was canceled due to poor ticket sales then no one has the right to be mad at her. It’s still a business and she and her associates and the Rex can’t operate at a loss. Instead of blaming her, blame the circumstances. Of course there could be other legitimate reasons to cancel and I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt, for now.

I still say she should speak directly to us about this because it might go a long way to settling everyone down. And I like Snatcher’s and Dan’s attitude of looking for ways to have a positive outcome for this mess, but I think Alizée needs to lead that effort if she wants to repair some of the damage done. She can't repair it by deleting any reference to it on her myspace, thinking that it will just go away. Quite frankly, that's not a very grown up way to deal with things.

And we, as fans, also need to look out for ourselves and not surrender our self respect to anyone, no matter how wonderful we may think they are.I agree 100%. I know it is hard to be patient in these circumstances and I have benefited by all the hard work Alizee fans have put into this site, LT, all the wonderful video's on youtube in the name of love for Alizee. I can't imagine the level of concern and frustration for all these fans including Snatcher and others that have put their time and money where their mouth is and get a bogus excuse for her concert cancellation. I have been a fan since just before her return and have been blessed by her and you guys\ gals that fit the category I just mentioned. I have been sad, angry, fearful etc. as this news has come out. I fear for Alizee's career and selfishly hope this is not the end of her career. My love for Alizee is unconditional. No matter what I will support her. That does not mean that I will be able to respect how all this has or is being handled by Alizee if she is behaving selfishly or disrespectful of her fans. I have looked into those beautiful, intelligent thoughtful eyes also and I'm going to give her the benefit of doubt that there is a more plausible explanation. I don't have enough facts at this time to make an informed decision and I don't think we could all be wrong about the Alizee we all adore. I do pray that she communicates with us in an honest heart felt way soon.

[Scruffydog777]

I'm sure many of the comments here are a direct attack on her, and I can't really blame them for that, but here, at least in the USA, we pretty much believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty, and I will support her til judgement day and on that day, if she is proven guilty, maybe I will be the one to place the noose around her neck..................Nah, I couldn't do that to her, she has just brought too much joy into my life. She will always have a presidential pardon with me.

[iolaus_uk]

i dont believe this has happened .
But it has!!!!
Well travels booked ,hotels booked so looks like i'm still going.
Hope to see alot of you out there still .
Maybe someone could bring her albums out and we could find a bar and ask nicely if we could have an alizee night with her music on and have our own concert in paris. maybe she may hear about it and see how loyal her american/ european fans really are!!!
See ya soon in paris

[LeFantôme]

I very much agree with DeepWaters.
It really is too bad, but so far it is best to assume it's a faultless mistake. We'll learn more sooner or later. Sh!t happens. C'est la vie.

I just wanna bring up once more: were there more concerts planned? What happened to them?

[Deepwaters]

Let me add something here.

I said I sensed something is seriously wrong in Alizée's life. When I get an impression like that, I always double-check it with normal data, because, even for me;), it's not completely reliable.

Now consider this. Is it like Alizée to behave this way? Does she normally shut out her fans and not communicate? Would you ever think she would present a bogus reason like this for canceling a concert?

Folks, something really, truly is seriously wrong. I don't know what. I have a guess, but I'll keep it to myself, and just say I don't think it's her health.

Everyone take a deep breath here. Eventually it will all be revealed, and then it's very possible some people will feel about two inches tall. I'm not saying this is professional of her, or professionally excusable, because it's not. But there's something going on here that we don't know. Please be as patient as you can, and recognize that this is not normal.

[Future Raptor Ace]

Let me add something here.

I said I sensed something is seriously wrong in Alizée's life. When I get an impression like that, I always double-check it with normal data, because, even for me;), it's not completely reliable.

Now consider this. Is it like Alizée to behave this way? Does she normally shut out her fans and not communicate? Would you ever think she would present a bogus reason like this for canceling a concert?

Folks, something really, truly is seriously wrong. I don't know what. I have a guess, but I'll keep it to myself, and just say I don't think it's her health.

Everyone take a deep breath here. Eventually it will all be revealed, and then it's very possible some people will feel about two inches tall. I'm not saying this is professional of her, or professionally excusable, because it's not. But there's something going on here that we don't know. Please be as patient as you can, and recognize that this is not normal.
^ok i know your not hinting her marriage there right?:eek:
I honestly dont think anything is wrong with Alizees personal life. I agree with others who say her career isnt going as well as it should do to lack of cd and ticket sales

edit: someone just added this comment on her myspace
"Sorry to all my NOT FRENCH fans who mess with your plans and money for cancel my concert"

[Roman]

I don't give a rats ass what anyone in here says. Everything I hear in here about Alizee is second or third hand at best. Until I hear from her directly, she has my respect and love. I can't believe how many people in here are so quick to throw her under the bus. If you decide you're going to hang her, you'll have to go through me first!
But Scruffy, that is what hurts me so much is that I will not even hear it from her directly. She has not issued a statement like it's not even important. In March she issued a statement on tv and was almost crying. I must think that she feels bad about this, but it seems like times have changed and if she does nothing, what can I think?

I have been thrown under the bus! I have been treated like I don't matter, never mattered. And all of the rest of us from at least 6 countries that I have seen, every one of us has been simultaneously thrown under a bus.

Why? We don't know and can only guess because there aren't that many of us. Only huge crowds count? Only huge crowds deserve basic courtesy, a reasonable explanation? I wanted so much to see Alizée again. I was so looking forward to this, but even I have not been as screwed over as some people have, though they may or may not feel as badly about it. And, even explaining to you and everyone else on this site or Alizee-forum or probably even the French forums because they are outraged too is not going to matter. It is like no one can get through to Alizée, the one person we all wanted to hear from the most and she's letting this happen. They don't realize that we just want to see and hear Alizée. That's why we were flying across the world, but someone must be preventing her from knowing and she's allowing herself to be that ignorant. Maybe she is mortified that this had to happen. But she's blocking it out because she must look happy for this Mexican award. Maybe maybe maybe. It's still not too late to say something. Maybe it never will be too late to make some mend of my broken heart, but the sooner the better and it's not looking good.

Let me add something here.

I said I sensed something is seriously wrong in Alizée's life. When I get an impression like that, I always double-check it with normal data, because, even for me;), it's not completely reliable.

Now consider this. Is it like Alizée to behave this way? Does she normally shut out her fans and not communicate? Would you ever think she would present a bogus reason like this for canceling a concert?

Folks, something really, truly is seriously wrong. I don't know what. I have a guess, but I'll keep it to myself, and just say I don't think it's her health.

Everyone take a deep breath here. Eventually it will all be revealed, and then it's very possible some people will feel about two inches tall. I'm not saying this is professional of her, or professionally excusable, because it's not. But there's something going on here that we don't know. Please be as patient as you can, and recognize that this is not normal.
I feel horrible too to think there is something wrong in Alizée's life. That is horrible. Have I ever wished anything but the best for her?
I already feel less than two inches tall. And you know what, Alizée is known for not communicating much with her fans. Maybe she let something out about RCA and Jive/Epic through nidalizee or was it un brin d'Alizée? But she hasn't let us know what is going on for months while all this is happening. All they had to do was make a good decision and then explain how it was going to be handled or appologize for making a bad decision and have Alizée explain what the troubles are and guess what she'd still have tons of fans that seem to be lost now.
Is it so hard to make such a decision?
I don't have any guesses as to what's going on. I don't dig into her life and call people all the time to ask about it. It was enough to enjoy her concerts and so forth because that was the best I could manage. I wanted to hear Alizée's voice and see her face. Why can't I have even a word?
What is going on? Business is clearly bad. I have been sad about that too. She canceled her other concerts already. Something more is bad in her life. That's horrible. I hate to think that. But what about us? This does not happen every day.

[lefty12357]

Let me add something here.

I said I sensed something is seriously wrong in Alizée's life. When I get an impression like that, I always double-check it with normal data, because, even for me;), it's not completely reliable.

Now consider this. Is it like Alizée to behave this way? Does she normally shut out her fans and not communicate? Would you ever think she would present a bogus reason like this for canceling a concert?

Folks, something really, truly is seriously wrong. I don't know what. I have a guess, but I'll keep it to myself, and just say I don't think it's her health.

Everyone take a deep breath here. Eventually it will all be revealed, and then it's very possible some people will feel about two inches tall. I'm not saying this is professional of her, or professionally excusable, because it's not. But there's something going on here that we don't know. Please be as patient as you can, and recognize that this is not normal.

Well Deepwaters, I’m not going to disagree with you because I’ve had a vague uneasiness myself that all has not been well. But I have no inkling of what that might be and I had chalked it up to my imagination.

And I agree patience is in order. As I said before, we should give her the benefit of the doubt for now. She has the power to remove that doubt if she can bring herself to do it. I also said there are many legitimate reasons to cancel the concert where she would be totally blameless. We need to keep that in mind. It’s just too bad her people offered one of the poorest reasons to the public. I think that’s caused more harm in some ways than the cancellation itself did.

Personally, I don’t know what else to say about it and I feel a need to take a step back from it all. At least until we hear from Alizée herself...

[Tical 808]

Keep your heads up everyone, in time we'll know whats going down with her. I'm not much of a talker but I had to say something to all you people hurt by this. I feel really bad. Even though I wasn't going, the concert was on my birthday and I was excited to see pics and hear news about if from you guys. But like Deep and Lefty said, there's probably something happening behind the scenes that we don't know about, I just hope its not something bad.

[mavsluver41]

Personally, I don’t know what else to say about it and I feel a need to take a step back from it all. At least until we hear from Alizée herself...

That's my approach to this catastrophe as well, to reserve judgment until that time comes. Five months ago when I first encountered her magic, I would have said with the utmost confidence that she would do the right thing in a heartbeat. Now I'm not so sure, but I still have faith in her and her character.

It hurts to see fans like Roman, RMJ, Snatcher, some of the guys over at AF, who are not only the greatest of her fans but also the the most dedicated people to anything I've ever encountered, be treated thus. It was my initial reaction, as with most of you here, to want to crucify her management. However, I was under the impression that she left MF/LB in order to seek independence, make her own decisions, and assume the reins of her own career: in short, for freedom. Then why does it seem as though someone is again controlling her behind the curtains, disregarding her opinions, deleting myspace comments, using her for profit? From one puppeteer to another it seems she has gone.

[Roman]

...I think that’s caused more harm in some ways than the cancellation itself did....
Well, I guess you know what I think, but I'll say it again, this is definitely the case with me. If there were really bad ticket sales, of course she can't hold the concert. I can blame the crappy non-promotion for that. Although as RMJ said, she could change the venue and try to do something for the people coming all of which would be big fans if sales were so low. But if they didn't think of that, fine. But to say they are ditching us for something better. That's the only thing that is breaking my heart and then Alizée hasn't even tried to explain it herself. It's indecent human behavior. Maybe maybe if Alizée explained well enough herself I could even buy that because I apparently care so much about her. And maybe she will and I'll forgive all as worn out as I am anyway. I have spent so much of my soul loving Alizée, I want to believe that she can explain this.

I think back to so much we have seen of Alizée and no, this really isn't like her. Why is she doing it? Or letting it happen?

[espire]

Now consider this. Is it like Alizée to behave this way? Does she normally shut out her fans and not communicate?

Unfortunately, yes. This is normal.

[Max]

And I agree patience is in order. As I said before, we should give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

Indeed. I'd say wait for the Mexico event. If she appears, the press will ask her what's going on. If she doesn't, it's a confirmation that something is wrong...

[Rev]

i dont believe this has happened .
But it has!!!!
Well travels booked ,hotels booked so looks like i'm still going.
Hope to see alot of you out there still .
Maybe someone could bring her albums out and we could find a bar and ask nicely if we could have an alizee night with her music on and have our own concert in paris. maybe she may hear about it and see how loyal her american/ european fans really are!!!
See ya soon in paris
This sounds like a GREAT idea!

But Scruffy, that is what hurts me so much is that I will not even hear it from her directly. She has not issued a statement like it's not even important. In March she issued a statement on tv and was almost crying. I must think that she feels bad about this, but it seems like times have changed and if she does nothing, what can I think?
You know what she is like. In your heart, where do you think she is with this? If having to apologise for the actions of fans and poor crowd control brought her to tears (and none of that was her fault), imagine what turmoil she is in now - knowing that she does have a hand in this choice.

Well Deepwaters, I’m not going to disagree with you because I’ve had a vague uneasiness myself that all has not been well. But I have no inkling of what that might be and I had chalked it up to my imagination.
And I agree patience is in order. As I said before, we should give her the benefit of the doubt for now. She has the power to remove that doubt if she can bring herself to do it. I also said there are many legitimate reasons to cancel the concert where she would be totally blameless. We need to keep that in mind. It’s just too bad her people offered one of the poorest reasons to the public. I think that’s caused more harm in some ways than the cancellation itself did.
Personally, I don’t know what else to say about it and I feel a need to take a step back from it all. At least until we hear from Alizée herself...
Sounds like good advice.

Look, we don't know what is going on yet. However, she is still the same person you all grew to love. She can't have changed that much this quickly. So let me suggest that everyone take a breath and let the anger dissipate.
We simply don't have the entire story yet. :)

[Ruroshen]

Unfortunately, yes. This is normal.
Sadly, I have to agree with this. I haven't been around as long as most of you, so maybe I don't have the right to judge...but I've taken Alizée History 101, and this actually appears to right out of the textbook.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for her to say something by way of apology or explanation either, guys. You're truly all princes in my book for wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I'm convinced that if she intended to say something on the subject, she would have already. Frankly, I think we've gotten all the official word we're ever going to get.

[Rev]

Frankly, I think we've gotten all the official word we're ever going to get.

Perhaps, but the true reason the choice was made to cancel the concert WILL become evident in time. And when the truth emerges, I believe it will make sense to most here. :)

[Max]

edit: someone just added this comment on her myspace

"Someone"? What do you mean? I don't understand. Does this "someone" have a name?

[Future Raptor Ace]

Sadly, I have to agree with this. I haven't been around as long as most of you, so maybe I don't have the right to judge...but I've taken Alizée History 101, and this actually appears to right out of the textbook.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for her to say something by way of apology or explanation either, guys. You're truly all princes in my book for wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I'm convinced that if she intended to say something on the subject, she would have already. Frankly, I think we've gotten all the official word we're ever going to get.

^My stupid college doesn't offer Alizee 101, instead I'm stuck taking World Civilization :(:D
My TA said i was wrong when I said Corsica speaks french, I almost died laughing

[Future Raptor Ace]

"Someone"? What do you mean? I don't understand. Does this "someone" have a name?
yea let me get it for you hold on

edit here you are
<TABLE borderColor=#ffffff cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD style="WORD-WRAP: break-word" vAlign=top align=middle width=150 bgColor=#ff9933>Kevin!(Twilight) (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=255404622)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/12/s_08ba81eed17f48a58d588c709fe20728.jpg (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=255404622)



</TD><TD class=columnsWidening style="WORD-WRAP: break-word" vAlign=top align=left width=260 bgColor=#f9d6b4>Oct 9 2008 6:47 PM

"Sorry to all my NOT FRENCH fans who mess with your plans and money for cancel my concert"
Not enough but cocomfortating </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Roman]

yea let me get it for you hold on

edit here you are
<table width="100%" border="1" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="" valign="top" width="150" align="middle" bgcolor="#ff9933">Kevin!(Twilight) (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=255404622)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/12/s_08ba81eed17f48a58d588c709fe20728.jpg (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=255404622)



</td><td class="columnsWidening" style="" valign="top" width="260" align="left" bgcolor="#f9d6b4">Oct 9 2008 6:47 PM

"Sorry to all my NOT FRENCH fans who mess with your plans and money for cancel my concert"
Not enough but cocomfortating </td></tr></tbody></table>
Kevin was suggesting that as something that Alizée could say to us. Yes, not expressed well.

[tbailey]

This is the official explanation from http://www.kimaimemesuive.fr:


Basically it's saying the date was rescheduled so she could attend an awards ceremony in Mexico. However, which one do they mean? There are three possibilities that I know of:

- MTVLA Awards on October 16th (the most important)
- Lunas del Auditorio on October 29th (the name matches. Ironic, it's an award for best concert!)
- Premios Oye 2008, date unknown (matches the "Victoires de la Musique" description)

Sooo...???

Regardless it's a terrible excuse, none are right on the 23rd. I'm sure low ticket sales are the real reason. Can't say how sick it makes me feel. I'm speechless, and really don't feel like spending more energy on her. I'll always be around, but with news like this...

It's just not worth going out of one's way to promote or do Alizée things anymore when we get so little in return. I won't point fingers, it doesn't matter who's at fault, that's just how it is. I'm out $1500 on this trip, but worse still is the wasted time and effort.

Yeah this is how i felt when my myspace post was deleted back, i think, in July. I knew from that point on that Alizee, her management, or whoever didn't have their act together and spending time, money, effort on Alizee is simply not worth it.

So i moved on and i really don't post here that much anymore - not that i don't like you guys but b/c this site, i presume, is for fans of Alizee. We can make excuses all day for Alizee but it comes to a point where she doesn't treat her fans with much respect.

If her family is her primary concern in her life, which i find commendable, she should have said that from the beginning and not let her fans detrimentally rely on promised concert dates.

And an award show is a really bad excuse - they should have just told the truth that poor ticket sales is the reason. I think guys imho that it's time to move on to another girl :D

[rcs]

Wow, it didn't take much for my post to disappear either. I expressed in english how I was sad when I heard the news. That's it. :blink:

[TheBarrett]

At this point, all my affection for Alizée the personality is near final.
But my affection for Alizée's music is still there.

Until I can be reassured of things, I cannot simply explain, I am just going to treat her as an artist that I enjoy.
Pitiful for me, and I thought it could never happen, I never thought I would be saying it, but at this moment I find no interest in attempting to grapple a constantly-scattering comet.

[techno_Millenium]

Another comment Posted on her myspace from myself, another comnent deleted!!! Oh Alizée, what a desillusion!!!!!!!!!!

Let's wait if she receives that letter and if she does, if she's going to answer it. I doubt ....

[Scruffydog777]

But Scruffy, that is what hurts me so much is that I will not even hear it from her directly. She has not issued a statement like it's not even important. In March she issued a statement on tv and was almost crying. I must think that she feels bad about this, but it seems like times have changed and if she does nothing, what can I think?

I have been thrown under the bus! I have been treated like I don't matter, never mattered. And all of the rest of us from at least 6 countries that I have seen, every one of us has been simultaneously thrown under a bus.

Why? We don't know and can only guess because there aren't that many of us. Only huge crowds count? Only huge crowds deserve basic courtesy, a reasonable explanation? I wanted so much to see Alizée again. I was so looking forward to this, but even I have not been as screwed over as some people have, though they may or may not feel as badly about it. And, even explaining to you and everyone else on this site or Alizee-forum or probably even the French forums because they are outraged too is not going to matter. It is like no one can get through to Alizée, the one person we all wanted to hear from the most and she's letting this happen. They don't realize that we just want to see and hear Alizée. That's why we were flying across the world, but someone must be preventing her from knowing and she's allowing herself to be that ignorant. Maybe she is mortified that this had to happen. But she's blocking it out because she must look happy for this Mexican award. Maybe maybe maybe. It's still not too late to say something. Maybe it never will be too late to make some mend of my broken heart, but the sooner the better and it's not looking good.

You're right Roman. I know you're one of her biggest and most loyal fans. You and so many others deserve an explanation. I was in a state of shock yesterday like so many others. I saw what looked to be attacks on her and it bothered me. I think we still need to give her time. To see if she herself gives an explanation. If she doesn't, I don't know what to say.

It's funny but several months ago, I was her biggest critic. I said after her Moscow concert, she looked like a housewife and sounded like a housewife and those were my honest sentiments, but I wasn't looking at her performances from the perspective of being a loyal fan who would support her no matter what she looked like, or if the songs she sang weren't that good. I was looking at her from the perspective of what she needed to do to attract new fans, which is what she needed, to continue her career.

I was highly, highly critical of her after that concert because I thought it was a mediocre concert at best. I thought that there was time to make improvements before her Mexico concerts so I kept hammering my message across, hoping it would be heard and I pissed off a lot of people along the way. My methods I'm sure sucked.

After the Mexico performance which I thought was an improvement but still a disappointment. I didn't say anything critical of her in here for a few reasons. First of all, I thought maybe the acoustics weren't that good in those theaters, second of all, the audio we heard wasn't recorded by anyone using quality equipment as far as I know, but more importantly, because I thought it was too late at this point to offer any criticism. I tried my best to get my message across before, and at this point, it wouldn't do any good to criticize her more.

So she does owe an explanation to you especially, and many of her devoted fans here and on her other fan pages, certainly not to me. I don't expect one for my sake and I don't care for myself if she gives one because she has brought so much joy and happiness into my life in a way that I could never repay with concert tickets, hotel reservations, album purchases or whatever else.

Just a few days ago, in another thread, I said she was a class act. I think some of my views from the past have been kind of vindicated now and if I'm right now about her being a class act, we will soon hear from her directly, as to why this concert was canceled. You, are especially one of the most deserving of that!

[Future Raptor Ace]

Yeah this is how i felt when my myspace post was deleted back, i think, in July. I knew from that point on that Alizee, her management, or whoever didn't have their act together and spending time, money, effort on Alizee is simply not worth it.

So i moved on and i really don't post here that much anymore - not that i don't like you guys but b/c this site, i presume, is for fans of Alizee. We can make excuses all day for Alizee but it comes to a point where she doesn't treat her fans with much respect.

If her family is her primary concern in her life, which i find commendable, she should have said that from the beginning and not let her fans detrimentally rely on promised concert dates.

And an award show is a really bad excuse - they should have just told the truth that poor ticket sales is the reason. I think guys imho that it's time to move on to another girl :D
^before I say any thing lets get one thing straight. At this point I am not defending Alizee no attacking her. On that note, she cant just say it was poor ticket sales, that looks even worse on her part on how her business is struggling.
I just hope Alizee is that sweet person I always thought she was and not just some other rich Britney bitch.

[pepelepew]

What I am about to say may be interpreted as ignorant or naive but here goes. It is obvious that over the years many supportive and positive things have been said to and about Alizee. Written in English. It doesn't appear that she knows english very well and is even less addept at interpreting English. In other words I wonder how much she realizes the depth of her American fans committment and love for her due to the language barrier and may be an intimidation factor in responding to English speaking fans. I know there have been quite a few American fans that can speak French and have relayed things to her, but it wouldn't have the gravity of the fans feelings at least on individual basis. She also doesn't speak spanish fluently as far as I know, but the album sales and large fan base kept her from ignoring Mexico. That still doesn't let her off the hook regarding her lack of communication with her own countrymen especially in this current situation.

I don't know French at all and if it weren't for many of the interviews and songs that have been translated into English I wouldn't know near as much about how Alizee ticks and her thoughts on things as I currently do. I am not trying to rescue Alizee or make excuses for her. She is a big girl. It is a question I have wanted to ask for a while and this current situation makes it even more relevent to me now. Any and all responses would be appreciated.:confused:

[techno_Millenium]

Alizee myspace is now not authorising all comments, i mean, they first read them before being published on the site. How convenient!!!!

[Sir Wood]

Alizee myspace is now not authorising all comments, i mean, they first read them before being published on the site. How convenient!!!!

techno25000 means you'll be getting this:

"This user requires all comments to be approved before being posted. Your comment has been submitted to this user for approval."

Whatever...

[lefty12357]

And so rather than opening up to us, the door closes even more...

[Future Raptor Ace]

wow why is she trying to censor us, she is only exacerbating the situation

[OGRE]

Everyone take a deep breath here. Eventually it will all be revealed, and then it's very possible some people will feel about two inches tall.

Listen to Deepwaters folks. Keep cool. Fans and the famous are a two way street. At this juncture, without knowledge of the situation, I feel it is best for the fans to be offering up our unilateral support instead of demanding Alizée's attention. Think about it, if Deepwaters is correct that there is something wrong, how bad will we feel in our admonishments when we should have been giving support.

[Youpidou1]

I guess this is a tough time for her. She must be working hard doing all these concerts. And once and a while you have to disappoint the fans to keep the career going. But then you will come back bigger and stronger then ever. I have a feeling when this is over there is going to be something big and I think I will predict that.

[Future Raptor Ace]

I posted this to her. my last try at trying to reach her
Hello<WBR> Alize<WBR>e;
I am a huge fan of yours<WBR>, most of your songs<WBR> I barle<WBR>y know the meani<WBR>ngs to since<WBR> I cant speak<WBR> Frenc<WBR>h; but I am still<WBR> a huge fan. You have many Ameri<WBR>can fans like me who go throu<WBR>gh the same situa<WBR>tion.<WBR> The probl<WBR>em is when you have a conce<WBR>rt we have to trave<WBR>l, buy plane<WBR> ticke<WBR>ts, get hotel<WBR>s and waste<WBR> a lot of money<WBR> espec<WBR>ially<WBR> with the econo<WBR>my going<WBR> down the drain<WBR>. We are not mad at you for cance<WBR>ling this conce<WBR>rt, no! We just want a reaso<WBR>n as to why you cance<WBR>led. We feel your shutt<WBR>ing us out and not givin<WBR>g a shit about<WBR> us by not givin<WBR>g us at least<WBR> an expla<WBR>natio<WBR>n. Now thats<WBR> not the sympa<WBR>theti<WBR>c Alize<WBR>e we know.<WBR> Censo<WBR>ring your fans and delet<WBR>ing comme<WBR>nts will not get you anywh<WBR>ere Alize<WBR>e; your only going<WBR> to make more peopl<WBR>e angry<WBR>. Pleas<WBR>e read this Alize<WBR>e. I'm sorry<WBR> you are going<WBR> throu<WBR>gh a rough<WBR> time and I hones<WBR>tly wish you the best.<WBR> You don'<WBR>t have to appro<WBR>ve this comme<WBR>nt, just read it! Pleas<WBR>e take the adivc<WBR>e from one of your bigge<WBR>st fans.<WBR> I know what your going<WBR> to say, "how can he know what stres<WBR>ses I go throu<WBR>gh every<WBR>day" I can relat<WBR>e to your stres<WBR>s Alize<WBR>e since<WBR> I am going<WBR> to join the US milit<WBR>ary and fight<WBR> for my count<WBR>ry in Iraq.<WBR> So don'<WBR>t just read this with a blind<WBR> eye and a close<WBR>d mind.
Have a good day Alize<WBR>e, take care of yours<WBR>elf for us, pleas<WBR>e
Love your alway<WBR>s Ameri<WBR>can Fan Mike!

[Sir Wood]

Listen to Deepwaters folks. Keep cool. Fans and the famous are a two way street. At this juncture, without knowledge of the situation, I feel it is best for the fans to be offering up our unilateral support instead of demanding Alizée's attention. Think about it, if Deepwaters is correct that there is something wrong, how bad will we feel in our admonishments when we should have been giving support.
Nothing like that. It's the frustration towards whomever is pulling the wrong strings.

Regarding the deletion, it's towards the person (may be Lili, though I doubt it but it's most likely some staffer) that wants to put up a censorship wall to only show sunny day comments. I guess if I were looking at other artist as much, they may have people doing the same censorship wall. Hence my "whatever."

[Spenser]

I posted this to her. my last try at trying to reach her
Hello<WBR> Alize<WBR>e;
I am a huge fan of yours<WBR>, most of your songs<WBR> I barle<WBR>y know the meani<WBR>ngs to since<WBR> I cant speak<WBR> Frenc<WBR>h; but I am still<WBR> a huge fan. You have many Ameri<WBR>can fans like me who go throu<WBR>gh the same situa<WBR>tion.<WBR> The probl<WBR>em is when you have a conce<WBR>rt we have to trave<WBR>l, buy plane<WBR> ticke<WBR>ts, get hotel<WBR>s and waste<WBR> a lot of money<WBR> espec<WBR>ially<WBR> with the econo<WBR>my going<WBR> down the drain<WBR>. We are not mad at you for cance<WBR>ling this conce<WBR>rt, no! We just want a reaso<WBR>n as to why you cance<WBR>led. We feel your shutt<WBR>ing us out and not givin<WBR>g a shit about<WBR> us by not givin<WBR>g us at least<WBR> an expla<WBR>natio<WBR>n. Now thats<WBR> not the sympa<WBR>theti<WBR>c Alize<WBR>e we know.<WBR> Censo<WBR>ring your fans and delet<WBR>ing comme<WBR>nts will not get you anywh<WBR>ere Alize<WBR>e; your only going<WBR> to make more peopl<WBR>e angry<WBR>. Pleas<WBR>e read this Alize<WBR>e. I'm sorry<WBR> you are going<WBR> throu<WBR>gh a rough<WBR> time and I hones<WBR>tly wish you the best.<WBR> You don'<WBR>t have to appro<WBR>ve this comme<WBR>nt, just read it! Pleas<WBR>e take the adivc<WBR>e from one of your bigge<WBR>st fans.<WBR> I know what your going<WBR> to say, "how can he know what stres<WBR>ses I go throu<WBR>gh every<WBR>day" I can relat<WBR>e to your stres<WBR>s Alize<WBR>e since<WBR> I am going<WBR> to join the US milit<WBR>ary and fight<WBR> for my count<WBR>ry in Iraq.<WBR> So don'<WBR>t just read this with a blind<WBR> eye and a close<WBR>d mind.
Have a good day Alize<WBR>e, take care of yours<WBR>elf for us, pleas<WBR>e
Love your alway<WBR>s Ameri<WBR>can Fan Mike!
That is a good comment FRA I hope she approves it :/. And even is she doesn't she would have read it and hopefully something can get across to her.

[lefty12357]

Listen to Deepwaters folks. Keep cool. Fans and the famous are a two way street. At this juncture, without knowledge of the situation, I feel it is best for the fans to be offering up our unilateral support instead of demanding Alizée's attention. Think about it, if Deepwaters is correct that there is something wrong, how bad will we feel in our admonishments when we should have been giving support.

In regards to Alizée’s myspace page, I wholeheartedly agree. Fans have been posting there asking her to speak up and there is no sense to keep doing it. She obviously has gotten the message. Personally, I see no use in posting anything at all right now on her myspace. There is nothing more to say that hasn’t already been said. What’s done is done. As I said before, I will give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

But since this is a forum about Alizée and for discussing all things Alizée related, and since this is one of the only things that’s happened in months, (and it’s big news, I might add) it’s hard to keep people from talking about how they feel about it. At least no one is really flaming her. And for me personally, I haven’t said anything about this that I would have cause to feel bad about later.

I will say coming here the last few days has been totally devoid of any joy and maybe I need a little vacation away from all things Alizée related.

[Amigo!]

In regards to Alizée’s myspace page, I wholeheartedly agree. Fans have been posting there asking her to speak up and there is no sense to keep doing it. She obviously has gotten the message.

She's isn't the one in control of the myspace page. At least, not anymore.

[Señor Villa]

I think Alizée fans have spoke, now the ball is on Alizée and her team's court to respond.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Listen to Deepwaters folks. Keep cool. Fans and the famous are a two way street. At this juncture, without knowledge of the situation, I feel it is best for the fans to be offering up our unilateral support instead of demanding Alizée's attention. Think about it, if Deepwaters is correct that there is something wrong, how bad will we feel in our admonishments when we should have been giving support.
well I will chime in with my two cents now i completely agree with Deepwaters and Ogre here Alizée has a real life too and stuff happens that cause us to due stuff that may not make everyone happy

and here is a question to everyone

Have you ever miss an appointment or not gone somewhere to do anything (work related or fun) for reasons that you couldn't tell the one that you were going to meet at the time?

I know I have and I'm positive that there are others here too that have

just give it time it will all work out in the end if its for better or worse I don't know

[Ben]

As Lefty has mentioned though, the issue (for me at least) is that the reason they have given is so very poor. It doesn't make one lick of sense since the dates don't conflict (23rd & 29th), and she could easily do both events. I'm pretty convinced that ticket sales are the real cause. Which is understandable, but then they should have been straight with us, have let us known much earlier, and be doing something now to compensate the fans.

If there is another reason they can't tell us, then they could have said that ("personal reasons of the artist", etc.), or have just said nothing at all until there is something better to say. I'm sure we'd all still be sad and/or anxious about the delay, but without the sting of feeling lied to (which the MySpace deletions don't help).

For me this is much more about how they handle the situation. We can't actually demand for Alizée to do something. While always unfortunate, cancelling a concert can be acceptable, regardless of the reason, as long as it's dealt with correctly. It's just such a shame that what they're doing now is wrong in almost every respect. Also sadly, it's not something that can be undone by learning what really happened, if we ever do.

[Roman]

I guess this is a tough time for her. She must be working hard doing all these concerts. And once and a while you have to disappoint the fans to keep the career going. But then you will come back bigger and stronger then ever. I have a feeling when this is over there is going to be something big and I think I will predict that.
It's not that. She may have more responsibility now and be a mother, but she is not working and that's the problem. She had 43 concerts scheduled in about half a year in 2003. She has had 6 concerts this year and no more are scheduled. Yes, there is something very wrong.

Alizée mentioned being afraid of "sharks" in America when she was young. It seems like she has signed with sharks in France. How else can one take these seeminly ruthless actions? And the dream is coming down like a house of cards, at least for many fans.

Alizée Alliance has just closed due to being snubbed by Alizée. They site the reason given for canceling the concert, having not been invited to the pre-listening event before Psychédélices's release, and the complete lack of promotion in France.

Going with the sentiments there, it seems Alizée's team or maybe even she herself has chosen to make a statement that they are done with France, that may be why they are blocking all attempts to talk about it. Sure seems like it. I find it surprising then that they bother to say there will be a fan meeting by the end of the year or a concert next year.

Whether by her choice or the team she's working with, this completely lacks the grace we associate with Alizée. This is the darkest hour of her life it seems. Either something is going to seriously break loose or she'll just ride the wave of Mexico because it seems to me that someone decided that was her only chance. And frankly, as many people and fans as there are here, at AF, and apparently all of France who are fans, she couldn't even sell out the Grand Rex and apparently not even sell enough to hold a concert there. Whatever the numbers, I looked at ticketnet the day before the cancellation and there were still category 1 and 2 tickets for sale. So, we are not enough to keep Alizée's career going. They needed to at least do normal promotion of her album and songs and concert and they didn't do it. It may be possible that someone even sabotaged her career to get her to focus on Mexico for some reason or other. Anyway you look at it, our Alizée has fallen on hard times and it seems like there's nothing we can do about it.
Maybe if Mexico wasn't in the picture she could have focused on France and done better there, though I would guess still not nearly as well as Mexico. And if we had long ago become organised properly, we might have created a market for her here, and maybe done the same thing. They tried a bit in France and I guess the numbers just weren't there. And in these hard times for the music industry, ruthlessness takes sway. No wasting of money. No following dead-ends. Still it's amazing if they thought they'd actually get more from the Mexicans by telling them they they ditched France for them than they'd get by keeping the fans in France.

Then again, someone suggested it's a slap in the face to France for failing to pay attention to her. Well, that's about as ruthless as it gets if they did that intentionally. If not, that still seems to be the effect. And means that they are going to have a house cleaning of the fans. Out with the fans who have been around a long time and expect something from Alizée and in with fans who stick around even in spite of this and neo-phytes with fresh energy who are willing to do anything because she's fresh and new and amazing to them. That would explain the fan meeting thing by the end of the year. They will invite who they see as Alizée's loyal inner circle who are not purturbed by all this, and give them a new mission - create Alizée anew. They will do some real promotion again and see if enough happens to get another concert going. That reminds me of the plot of The Matrix. (not trying to be funny, just that it did)

Since we are now deep into speculation territory, there is another possiblity. The "managers" are really running everything now and they pretty much lied to Alizée about the fan meeting and concert next year to get her to acquiesce to comply with what they have done. Therefore, Alizée has completely stepped away from the situation, her myspace, the running of her career, her fans. It may be that with people there in her face who she is working with and who hold the keys to her career's future, demanding that she go along with them she did it. She may see her future that she imagined as a singer held hostage by the situation and by these people want to make Mexico the sole focus and therefore "want" to destroy the love of the fan community everywhere else, or maybe just in France, and the rest of us are just collateral damage.

There was some speculation yes. We will probably get more evidence as time goes by, but it may be that simple, though that wasn't really that simple was it? Who ever thought the music industry could be the center of such a real life action/thriller/drama story? (again not trying to be funny)

[Ruroshen]

She's isn't the one in control of the myspace page. At least, not anymore.
If that's honestly the case--and, as I've said before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is--then I genuinely believe her label would be best served by shuttering the MySpace, moving all future promotion and official communications to the label's official website, and simply doing a (much) better job of updating things over there.

Continuing to support the (allegedly) false expectation that fans are directly interacting with and communicating to Alizée is only going to continue to cause everybody grief in the long run, on both sides of the equation, as we're seeing now.

[RadioactiveMan]

To change the subject a smidge: how does the experience of the Psychedelices era compare to what you've experienced with other artists?

One of the hardest things for me to understand about the promotion this last year is that it seems so unprofessional. Of the artists that I follow with any real zeal, Alizée is the only one without frequent updates, communications, and fan benefits. KISS has a website that is updated with news on the order of once or twice per day, has multimedia for fans, and their fan club has been somewhat officially reborn. Megadeth interacts personally with the fans often- through Megadeth.com, askdavemustaine.com, by personally posting on the Megadeth fan forums, through frequent video clips, and provides fans with a lot of other exclusive goodies. Tegan and Sara write the occasional blog, send updates through their mailing list, and film special videos for youtube or myspace to communicate with fans.

On the other hand, some artists have limited interaction- a website with news and biographical information, but at least they are delivering what they promise.

I would love Megadeth-style support for fans from Alizée's camp, but I don't ask for it. All that I want is to know what to expect. The official website, the facebook pages (Alizée Officiel, Psychedeclips), psychedeclips.com, the myspace-- they were wonderful to see when they arrived but since then have lost their luster. Alizee-officiel hasn't been updated since the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the myspace page has more than its share of scandals, and psychedeclips' fan content hasn't been added (though in this case I would expect that it is for lack of fan made content).

Due to the lack of communications, these affairs reek of dishonesty. The only difficulty in being a fan is that one is forever in the dark.

[JCC]

News from a French Website.....Tix sales is official reason for cancelation (?) You decide....

Google Translation.
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.public.fr/people-news/23250_Alizee-annule-sa-seule-date-de-concert-&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.public.fr/people-news/23250_Alizee-annule-sa-seule-date-de-concert-%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D2DE&usg=ALkJrhjhAnThVdpgOq-NkZgi7Bzb2GJ1VQ

[wolfram0790]

Well I think she has to choose right now if she wants to continue her career or not. If she doesn't, well then maybe release an album with the Mexico concerts, and say bye bye in a nice way.... =(

If she wants to continue, she could try to do this (others have said this before)

- Come out now and give people a good reason on why your concert was cancelled. We need you to appear, not some lame producers or anyone from your "staff". Say the truth, because we don't believe that lame award excuse lol. Just a simple video will be great (like the Mexico one). If you stay silent, you're gonna lose even more fans... I'm sure most people will understand the situation if you speak to us :)

- Well now it would be good to do some HEAVY promotion of Fifty Sixty (and the album itself). You know stuff like TV appearances, interviews, etc. Just like in the MCE days. I'm pretty sure the total lack of promotion was one of the main reasons for the Grand Rex concert to fail.

- So if you have some good promotion, now its time to plan a great concert for March (a la En Concert). It better be awesome, because if it's similar to the Mexico one, the French are not going to be impressed at all, and you might lose even more fans lol... (and I'm not saying the Mexico concert was bad at all).

- Communicate more with the fans! Please we all LOVE you so much, we need to know more often about you. We don't want to get into your personal life, but a simple MySpace post once in a month would be much better (oh and if you could take care of that account personally it would be great too...I'm sure you wouldn't delete or censor any posts)

I'm not angry at all (as a Mexican I'm happy to have her here again lol), but I feel that she needs to do something about her career now. She has TONS of potential, she can be great again and have good success (not the same as before though).
I'm sure she can win the French hearts again. If they are hurt too deeply and don't care about her anymore, then why not come and live in Mexico? :p We LOVE you here, and Americans would be happy too, since you'd be real close to them lol.

I know this has been said before, but basically this has been discussed in Mexican Alizée forums too. Let's support Lilly, and please don't hate her (I know most people on this forum don't). Alizée is human, (well maybe 95% angel and 5% human xD),and makes mistakes like everyone does. I'm pretty sure she can get out of this hole without much problem, she's our beloved Lilly after all!! :D

Well I feel good now, time to sleep (and listen to those nice Fifty Sixty remixes :))

[Sir Wood]

News from a French Website.....Tix sales is official reason for cancelation (?) You decide....

Google Translation.
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.public.fr/people-news/23250_Alizee-annule-sa-seule-date-de-concert-&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.public.fr/people-news/23250_Alizee-annule-sa-seule-date-de-concert-%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D2DE&usg=ALkJrhjhAnThVdpgOq-NkZgi7Bzb2GJ1VQ
Well, that was what the fans were already leaning towards. If true, because I've no idea the nature of the above web article -- their validity, then why didn't Team Alizée just flat out say it then come up with some lame arse excuse? We're still pretty much in a guessing game. Also, if it is for this reason, then Team Alizée obviously knew of this well in advance but yet did not decide to take action to cut their losses until a couple weeks prior to the engagement. Heck, based on sales in Mexico they probably knew from week one that Paris was a loss and yet kept us all on the hook until they saw that they had caught a small fish in the end.

As for what RadioactiveMan wrote. Alizée is my first artist which I've followed so closely. As I've mentioned before, it was thru her that I learned what being a fan is all about. So, I can't really give a fair assessment with other artist(s). But from stumbling around on the internet you see such folks as Jessica Alba, Katy Perry, Yelle and even Lindsay Lohan providing their fans some sort of a communique thru their blogs and bulletins. Of those few examples, I recall Katy Perry's MySpace site as being the most engaging with her fans. So, yeah, communication is lacking big time as well as maintenance of her sites. If they are going to leave the sites in cobwebs then why even have them? The real question also is how does this, the current Alizée managing, compare to the earlier years (though only a few can truly speak of this)?

Remembering Riccardo's "popularity" thread, the current trend is heading down the wrong path these days unless something drastically changes. Who knows if Alizée is hearing her fans or if she is being spoon feed censored reports from her staff. One would think that she may take it upon herself to check on her own. But we don't know do we? Her past articles said that she maintains her own MySpace, Facebook and look at fan sites. Latest developments would suggest other wise.

I'm trying to stay positive but it's going to be a long healing process similar to the other time. Unfortunately, this is the only avenue to vent with other fans rather than trying to hold it in and letting the bubble build until it explodes. Sorry, I'm tired and don't know if any of the above made sense or just gibberish.

[Roman]

To change the subject a smidge: how does the experience of the Psychedelices era compare to what you've experienced with other artists?

One of the hardest things for me to understand about the promotion this last year is that it seems so unprofessional. Of the artists that I follow with any real zeal, Alizée is the only one without frequent updates, communications, and fan benefits. KISS has a website that is updated with news on the order of once or twice per day, has multimedia for fans, and their fan club has been somewhat officially reborn. Megadeth interacts personally with the fans often- through Megadeth.com, askdavemustaine.com, by personally posting on the Megadeth fan forums, through frequent video clips, and provides fans with a lot of other exclusive goodies. Tegan and Sara write the occasional blog, send updates through their mailing list, and film special videos for youtube or myspace to communicate with fans.

On the other hand, some artists have limited interaction- a website with news and biographical information, but at least they are delivering what they promise.

I would love Megadeth-style support for fans from Alizée's camp, but I don't ask for it. All that I want is to know what to expect. The official website, the facebook pages (Alizée Officiel, Psychedeclips), psychedeclips.com, the myspace-- they were wonderful to see when they arrived but since then have lost their luster. Alizee-officiel hasn't been updated since the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the myspace page has more than its share of scandals, and psychedeclips' fan content hasn't been added (though in this case I would expect that it is for lack of fan made content).

Due to the lack of communications, these affairs reek of dishonesty. The only difficulty in being a fan is that one is forever in the dark.
yeah, Alizée is not megadeth. She's no where near that level and maybe France in general does not have as good level of business comportment than the US in general. I don't know, but I will agree that Alizée has generally not kept up with her fans, which I've been complaining about for a long time. I have felt that she could do so much better if she'd keep up with her fans. I don't know what the deal is with that. Go ask her. :confused:
Now, we are led to think that the last 4 months they were hoping for maybe magic with the ticket sales, but it didn't happen. And maybe there has been the turn over of RCA to Jive/Epic already and JE are possibly charged with a slash and burn operation. We saw 0 news of the expected renewed promotion since she left Mexico, right?

If that's honestly the case--and, as I've said before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is--then I genuinely believe her label would be best served by shuttering the MySpace, moving all future promotion and official communications to the label's official website, and simply doing a (much) better job of updating things over there.

Continuing to support the (allegedly) false expectation that fans are directly interacting with and communicating to Alizée is only going to continue to cause everybody grief in the long run, on both sides of the equation, as we're seeing now.
If that's what they are doing, then they want to continue to let people think they are talking to Alizée and being all excited about that. If this is really where we have gone, there is no more of the nicey nice that we all liked. It has been hinted at for some time by some people. We may be in an era of ruthless business behavior, which whether Alizée really has anything to do with it or not, she's caught right up in it. Let's face it, things will never be the same again. I mean, this happened and is far more devistating than the Mexican signing cancelation in March, which at the time I worried would hurt Alizée's career. Well, I decided to be a fan. I thought the worst thing that would happen is that I wouldn't like her music and would fade in interest or that she would not succeed and drop out of the race. It's more the latter with France, but here's a whole new possibility I hadn't thought of. She didn't have any serious scandal when I became a fan. The signing cancelation seemed bad and I was sad that that mark would always be on her career, even though it totally wasn't her fault. But this is enorme as the French would say. It got her "premiere" French site which has been around forever and had tons of membership summarily shut down.

By the way, she's doing fine career wise. That's the whole point. Other than a few people, it appears as though this "trajedy" for many fans has not touched the general Mexican fan base in the slightest. And I'm thinking many people on these fan boards will go along with that no matter what the outcome. Seems like it.

Here for more stories which pretty much say bad sales, but don't count on any accuracy here folks: http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?p=739055&posted=1#post739055

[HelixSix]

Most of the reasons people have talked about here regarding the communication disconnect are legitimate and I wouldn't be surprised if any of them were true. But one thing that hasn't been mentioned is maybe she feels extremely let down by the lack of ticket sales and feels betrayed by the once large fanbase she had. This could be true if in fact she has been apart of everything to do with the recent album. Maybe she has poured out all her energy into the comeback and came up nearly empty, and doesn't feel like she owes her fans anything at all. Heck she might think that the poor ticket sales are our way of ignoring her if she was truly doing the album her way...and now she is ignoring us. Basically she might have needed us most in the last year, and figures we left her out to dry.

I highly doubt that the above is true, but I'm just throwing it out there as a possible reason for what is going on. I'm only bringing it up because Alizée has connected deeply with her fanbase in the past and any relationship with heavy emotions can go very very sour. In other words, a break up. We have all felt betrayed before, and she is capable of it too.

[TheBarrett]

Honestly, it's too much drama for me, I think i'm leaving the drama behind and just be happy with what I have at the moment.

If she does some surprise things, well, I wouldn't be expecting it nor making statements against it.

[Tomtentp]

Honestly, it's too much drama for me, I think i'm leaving the drama behind and just be happy with what I have at the moment.

If she does some surprise things, well, I wouldn't be expecting it nor making statements against it.

Amen to that...

[techno_Millenium]

I read on some site that Alizée was suffering the same problem as Lorie, the "Lorie Síndrome". Lorie is really getting poor ticket sales too and she was a huge success 2 years ago. But even so untiol now, Lorie didn't cancel any of her shows. Alizée could move the show into a smaller venue like La Cigale, Le Bataclan, etc.

[Roman]

[deleted post]
This thing has gotten murky again. PM me if you want to talk.

[Tchaikovsky]

Sorry guys, I think I pretty much figured it out, at least the basic sketch of it which I have pieced together in my mind. Some parts have different possibilities that fit, but the main idea, the important part is there.

Someone may have even posted the important part here, but I don't think all of it. It's not some grand revelation, but I'm not going to say what it is right now. I need to wait some time, maybe even after the 23rd (arbitrary) to see if anything else surfaces. Maybe by the time I'm ready it will be obvious to everyone, except that I may know some things that some of you don't.

You might think this post is stupid, but in case you were thinking of leaving I wanted to offer you my idea though I can't say right now. I know I start to sound like RMJ with this post. Speaking of whom, you know how RMJ is. He might be able to tell you exactly what it is right now, but hasn't wanted to lay it all out.
What the problem is?

[brad]

Sorry guys, I think I pretty much figured it out, at least the basic sketch of it which I have pieced together in my mind. Some parts have different possibilities that fit, but the main idea, the important part is there.

Someone may have even posted the important part here, but I don't think all of it. It's not some grand revelation, but I'm not going to say what it is right now. I need to wait some time, maybe even after the 23rd (arbitrary) to see if anything else surfaces. Maybe by the time I'm ready it will be obvious to everyone, except that I may know some things that some of you don't. I am forming it into a narrative of sorts.

You might think this post is stupid, but in case you were thinking of leaving I wanted to offer you my idea though I can't say right now. I know I start to sound like RMJ with this post. Speaking of whom, you know how RMJ is. He might be able to tell you exactly what it is right now, but hasn't wanted to lay it all out.

bah ... if you know something just tell us. i don't see the point in posting stuff like this.

[lilly]

bah ... if you know something just tell us. i don't see the point in posting stuff like this.

EXACTLY!!! We're already sick and tired of the "doomsday prophecies". We don't need to get all worked up over this now!

[techno_Millenium]

What's the problem in telling us????

[Ben]

I don't know what Roman was getting at, but until we hear something else I really do think it was simple: Ticket sales were bad. They wavered back and forth for awhile on what to do, until the award came along and gave them a way out, an excuse to postpone the show. :\

[mavsluver41]

you see such folks as Jessica Alba, Katy Perry, Yelle and even Lindsay Lohan providing their fans some sort of a communique thru their blogs and bulletins. Of those few examples, I recall Katy Perry's MySpace site as being the most engaging with her fans. So, yeah, communication is lacking big time as well as maintenance of her sites.

And I'm thinking many people on these fan boards will go along with that no matter what the outcome. Seems like it.

Here's where I think the flaw is. I've alluded to this before, but I think she's been spoiled by us, her fans. All those artists/actors listed above can't afford to cut fan interaction because their fans are fickle and ephemeral, one faux pas in public view or one mistimed quote by the artist and they are gone. Lili fans are not like that: all this business that's been going on lately is extremely off-putting, but we're all still here. It's rather impossible to simply walk away from Lili after admiring her for so long (even more so for the greatest of her fans); Matrix tried and look what happened to him - he's been doomed to a lifetime of creating Lili videos on youtube :p. I don't think she's ever experienced the consequences of this lack of interaction, but now is starting to for the first time.

What's the problem in telling us????

He doesn't want to start rumors and get us worked up over nothing when the answer is, in reality, very simple. But seriously, since you mentioned it, Roman, could you give us a hint :p?

[OGRE]

What the problem is?

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.

[NarutoSoul]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.
She can do WAY better than that worn-out, washed up piece of white trash!:mad:






:D

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.

:D:p:cool::wub:

[TheBarrett]

That's it.
Jung, you and me, we're going to get our genders changed.

(Alizée or bust right? :p)

[JCC]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.

WOW...what a conicidence...I'm a lesbian, too! I LOVE women! I got next!.:p:p

And thx Snatcher for being clear, concise, and only stating the information that is concrete....:)...not like roman's Cloak & Dagger mystery.

[Tchaikovsky]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/18240/lolwut.jpg

[Topaz]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.

I knew that accidental meeting of Katy Perry could have effects. :confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/A_0022.jpghttp://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m301/alizee_1984/small-1-1.gif

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

indeed my friend........ indeed

[mavsluver41]

OK dammit, I'll spill the beans.

Alizée is Lesbian. She is dumping Jeremy, coming out of the closet, and hooking up with Britney.

There's a rumor that she was seen recently with Melissa Theuriau, although we cannot be sure: any witnesses immediately melted upon seeing the beauty of French couple :D.

[Sir Wood]

Here's where I think the flaw is. I've alluded to this before, but I think she's been spoiled by us, her fans. All those artists/actors listed above can't afford to cut fan interaction because their fans are fickle and ephemeral, one faux pas in public view or one mistimed quote by the artist and they are gone. Lili fans are not like that: all this business that's been going on lately is extremely off-putting, but we're all still here. It's rather impossible to simply walk away from Lili after admiring her for so long (even more so for the greatest of her fans); Matrix tried and look what happened to him - he's been doomed to a lifetime of creating Lili videos on youtube :p. I don't think she's ever experienced the consequences of this lack of interaction, but now is starting to for the first time.

He doesn't want to start rumors and get us worked up over nothing when the answer is, in reality, very simple. But seriously, since you mentioned it, Roman, could you give us a hint :p?
So, it is our fault that the direction we've seen is because we enabled it to happen rather than sounding off what Scruffydog777 was been shouting out, that we need to be more critical so as to give her and her staff a wake-up call? I don't think that would have mattered with such a small fan following on this site. Yeah, Roman has been preaching that we could have done more and get organized but we've problems with being geographically dispersed. Actually, we are more international than what you might see compared to the fan base in Mexico. They are more centralized in one of the biggest city in the country. At least Mexico is close to us.


I knew that accidental meeting of Katy Perry could have effects. :confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes:

There was some meeting between the two? That's news to me.

[lefty12357]

I don't know what Roman was getting at, but until we hear something else I really do think it was simple: Ticket sales were bad. They wavered back and forth for awhile on what to do, until the award came along and gave them a way out, an excuse to postpone the show. :\

Snatcher is right. Without further information, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one.

There is a glimmer of hope, though. Since they chose to postpone the concert to March rather than cancel it completely hints at the possibility that they intend to launch a serious new promotional effort in France and that they haven’t given up on Alizée yet. They must believe there is still a chance to put enough people in the Rex to make it viable. Hopefully, the French fans can still be appeased. And she still has Mexico. I just don't want to see what she has worked so hard for, unravel over this incident.

After the initial shock has worn off, I'm still upset with how it's been handled, but I'm still supporting Alizée. If she were to publicly confirm the lame excuse that was offered, then I suppose I would feel differently. I guess the US and international fans are like collateral damage in all of this, and I can't help but think Alizée feels terrible about it.

[heyamigo]

wow so much drama in the alizee community. i say alizee quit her career in france and move to mexico. it's obvious there's not much interest in her in france, and interest in mexico seems to be far exceeding that.

i would be so upset if i lost few thousand dollars from travel expenses though. i feel your pain guys.

lefty, i don't think postponing to march means they'll get their act together. i think it can be delayed once again or outright be canceled. it's because a lot of foreign fans cannot make the new date nor want to risk traveling there knowing nothing is for sure. plus i imagine a lot of pissed off fans french and foreign don't want to attend anymore.

still, alizee can't really win with this debacle. if she comes out and says it's the truth, people will be upset for the lame excuse and if she says it's due to low ticket sales, people will also complain that she lied and made a late announcement.

[mavsluver41]

So, it is our fault that the direction we've seen is because we enabled it to happen rather than sounding off what Scruffydog777 was been shouting out, that we need to be more critical so as to give her and her staff a wake-up call? I don't think that would have mattered with such a small fan following on this site.

I was not assessing culpability or pointing fingers, I was merely suggesting a fundamental reason for her actions. I agree that our criticisms would do very little: her management has already sent the message loud and clear that our opinions are worthless. It just struck me that for most of us, the lack of interaction over the past months has done very little to dampen our enthusiasm. Now, it suffices to say that emotions are running high and she is losing fans left and right, for reasons that, perhaps, she had nothing to do with. So, I was not saying it was our fault (frankly, I don't think anything can be done about "spoiling her"), I was just hoping that when she finally does get a taste of consequence, she will be adaptable enough to do what is necessary to bolster/salvage her career.

[fsquared]

There's a rumor that she was seen recently with Melissa Theuriau, although we cannot be sure: any witnesses immediately melted upon seeing the beauty of French couple :D.

Someone better tell Melissa's husband then....I'm sure he's been waiting for the imminent arrival of their baby in complete ignorance of this, and will be shocked.

;)

[mavsluver41]

Someone better tell Melissa's husband then....I'm sure he's been waiting for the imminent arrival of their baby in complete ignorance of this, and will be shocked.

;)

:o:o. Hehe, did not know that. Perhaps I should do some research before launching insinuations of lesbian relationships. Excuse my ignorance, was just trying to make a joke...

[Future Raptor Ace]

she aproved my comment

"Hello Alizee;
I am a huge fan of yours, most of your songs I barley know the meanings to since I cant speak French; but I am still a huge fan. You have many American fans like me who go through the same situation. The problem is when you have a concert we have to travel, buy plane tickets, get hotels and waste a lot of money especially with the economy going down the drain. We are not mad at you for canceling this concert, no! We just want a reason as to why you canceled. We feel your shutting us out and not giving a shit about us by not giving us at least an explanation. Now thats not the sympathetic Alizee we know. Censoring your fans and deleting comments will not get you anywhere Alizee; your only going to make more people angry. Please read this Alizee. I'm sorry you are going through a rough time and I honestly wish you the best. You don't have to approve this comment, just read it! Please take the adivce from one of your biggest fans. I know what your going to say, "how can he know what stresses I go through everyday" I can relate to your stress Alizee since I am going to join the US military and fight for my country in Iraq. So don't just read this with a blind eye and a closed mind.
Have a good day Alizee, take care of yourself for us, please
Love your always American Fan Mike!"

I wonder if that means she read it and took my advice

wow theres like 5 pages since I lasted posted here, and that was last nite lol. I just woke up from a nap so yea

I hope we are all just mad at her and not let it effect our love for her. Im trying to think of every excuse for her like you guys but I don't know. She has to help me out too and do some of the work.

[wolfram0790]

she aproved my comment

Do you really think she's taking care of that account personally? :blink: I'm sure she wouldn't delete or censor any posts.

[Future Raptor Ace]

^ I like to think she is. Who knows what she would do

[Ali]

Frankly, that is kind of lame that the concert date has been postponed. Seriously, alot of people had plans with reserved plane tickets, hotel's etc. they were totally let down not just on the financial side. I personally think it's because of low ticket sales. She didn't really sell a lot of records in France, I wonder if she even sold 75,000 copies. And I asked this French exchange student who was here for a semester at my University and he said that Alizee is not that popular anymore in France. She was a major hit back in the Gourmandises era (2000-2002) but hardly made a splash in mainstream France with her new album. I think the cancellation of the concert might relfect that. She is in danger of losing some her fans if there is not a valid reason for the cancellation.

I'm out $1500 on this trip, but worse still is the wasted time and effort.

Dude, are seriously going to lose $1500? That would really suck.

^ I like to think she is.

I think so too.

[Roman]

she aproved my comment

"Hello Alizee;
I am a huge fan of yours, most of your songs I barley know the meanings to since I cant speak French; but I am still a huge fan. You have many American fans like me who go through the same situation. The problem is when you have a concert we have to travel, buy plane tickets, get hotels and waste a lot of money especially with the economy going down the drain. We are not mad at you for canceling this concert, no! We just want a reason as to why you canceled. We feel your shutting us out and not giving a shit about us by not giving us at least an explanation. Now thats not the sympathetic Alizee we know. Censoring your fans and deleting comments will not get you anywhere Alizee; your only going to make more people angry. Please read this Alizee. I'm sorry you are going through a rough time and I honestly wish you the best. You don't have to approve this comment, just read it! Please take the adivce from one of your biggest fans. I know what your going to say, "how can he know what stresses I go through everyday" I can relate to your stress Alizee since I am going to join the US military and fight for my country in Iraq. So don't just read this with a blind eye and a closed mind.
Have a good day Alizee, take care of yourself for us, please
Love your always American Fan Mike!"

I wonder if that means she read it and took my advice

wow theres like 5 pages since I lasted posted here, and that was last nite lol. I just woke up from a nap so yea

I hope we are all just mad at her and not let it effect our love for her. Im trying to think of every excuse for her like you guys but I don't know. She has to help me out too and do some of the work.

holy crap! That is on there. And look, it says the stuff at the top is from the 10th and the stuff in the middle is from the 11th and the stuff at the bottom is from the 10th. It's all mixed up. Well that's weird. Maybe someone should try posting to see if they are still screening, though, what difference does it make really?
Oh, ok, I think it's because there was a backlog. The time is when the message was sent, but it shows up in the order it was approved and they approved them backwards. Interesting that this message made it through.

haha, maybe I should trying posting saying I'm sad about what happened but I stick with you no matter what you do. I don't care I'm an Alizée fan for life, I'm your slave forever. I want nothing. - see if that gets approved.

[TheBarrett]

I've already wasted 6700 Euros on my living expenses.
If anyone has a right to be pissed off with financial losses, it is me.
But no, I don't really give a sh*t about money. :)

[Future Raptor Ace]

holy crap! That is on there. And look, it says the stuff at the top is from the 10th and the stuff in the middle is from the 11th and the stuff at the bottom is from the 10th. It's all mixed up. Well that's weird. Maybe someone should try posting to see if they are still screening, though, what difference does it make really?
Oh, ok, I think it's because there was a backlog. The time is when the message was sent, but it shows up in the order it was approved and they approved them backwards. Interesting that this message made it through.

haha, maybe I should trying posting saying I'm sad about what happened but I stick with you no matter what you do. I don't care I'm an Alizée fan for life, I'm your slave forever. I want nothing. - see if that gets approved.
^Bro.......................;
Are you trying to say thats what I'm saying? That's messed up and totally not were I was getting at
Not kool bro :mad:

[Tchaikovsky]

^Bro.......................;
Are you trying to say thats what I'm saying? That's messed up and totally not were I was getting at
Not kool bro :mad:
I don't think he was suggesting that at all.

[edgar93]

Do you really think she's taking care of that account personally? :blink: I'm sure she wouldn't delete or censor any posts.

I like to think she is, too. But the way it is managed, the pictures, and the biography, I dont really think she is the one who manages it:(. I think is her record Label, maybe she read some of the posts, but, I dont think she is the one who takes care of the account.

I have even asked to Tom, but he hasnt answered me:p.

[Roman]

^Bro.......................;
Are you trying to say thats what I'm saying? That's messed up and totally not were I was getting at
Not kool bro :mad:
sorry dude, no. I was poking at what their limits are for screening messages. That is, many people put messages they thought we far from offensive and they still got denied. Maybe I messed that up.

[Future Raptor Ace]

its kool bro, writing often has multiple meanings. I thought you were saying something else

Yea i know some were getting denied, i'm surprised mine passed the approval. i tried to be firm and give her a piece of my mind but in a nice way

[techno_Millenium]

What does her change of music companys has to do with the concert ????

Madonna changed music company too and her tour was not affected nor her "Hard candy" promotion. In fact she is already in Live Nation and Warner is still releasing a third single from the album. Contracts are to be made until the end. Probably this concert was organized by her previous music company. So why was it canceled? I'm sorry but for me that reason is far to be valid. And really, let's just wait to see her in Mexico receiving that award and we'll know the real truth about this canceled show. How i wish to be wrong!!!!

[Deepwaters]

Whatever else one may think of Madonna, and I don't think well of her generally, she is a polished professional of the first rank, and has enough clout that record companies tremble at the thought of her displeasure. Unfortunately, Her Grace is simply not in the High Priestess' league when it comes to fame, success, and influence. (Niceness, and remaining a human being instead of a diva, tell a different story.) I don't think the comparison is apt. As for the award in Mexico, whether she actually attends will tell us nothing. That reason is not credible, but that doesn't mean the award itself isn't real. If it is, that's still not believable as the reason the concert was rescheduled, and I for one refuse to accept it, or to be upset by it.

For now, I'm inclined to accept the explanation she gave that it's due to the confusion surrounding the change of management. (Thanks for clarifying my misunderstanding, folks.) I'm certain that's at least part of the reason. If there's another part, it may be something private that she would rather not share, and we should respect that.

It will be interesting to see what this thing is that she's got in the works. So far, when she's promised something she's delivered, although not always on time. So I'm sure she really does have something. Let's give it some time, and watch and see.

[mavsluver41]

It will be interesting to see what this thing is that she's got in the works. So far, when she's promised something she's delivered, although not always on time. So I'm sure she really does have something. Let's give it some time, and watch and see.

Rumor has it that some sort of video is being worked on. Key word is "rumor" as usual :).

update:

they are talking about the video, but I can;t fully understadn what is going on. SOmething about those images being posted just for the fans by the person who is in the video?? . .and that the video will not be seen?? People are questioning him, etc??

SOmeone fluent in French please go here and translate for us. MERCI!

http://psychalizee.forum-actif.net/mademoiselle-alizee-f3/alizee-en-studio-t983-60.htm

[Ben]

For now, I'm inclined to accept the explanation she gave that it's due to the confusion surrounding the change of management.
I don't think she was saying that's the reason the concert was changed, but rather why she can't protest it. Though it's a little unclear in the message.

The video thing is a misunderstanding too. Dbrisdereves was just saying one of the pics is from a video he took. What she's working on is something else.

[Scruffydog777]

What does her change of music companys has to do with the concert ????

Madonna changed music company too and her tour was not affected nor her "Hard candy" promotion. In fact she is already in Live Nation and Warner is still releasing a third single from the album. Contracts are to be made until the end. Probably this concert was organized by her previous music company. So why was it canceled? I'm sorry but for me that reason is far to be valid. And really, let's just wait to see her in Mexico receiving that award and we'll know the real truth about this canceled show. How i wish to be wrong!!!!

Techno2500 has a very good point. Even if her music company or management or whatever has been changed, they would not have canceled the concert if it was sold out.

[lefty12357]

I’d bet it wasn’t sold out, and they didn’t sell enough tickets to break even. That’s why it was cancelled. Part of the blame has to go to management for not promoting the second single as promised, or promoting the concert itself, for that matter. If the new management really steps up the promotion, maybe they can sell enough tickets for the March date, but it’s probably not going to be easy.

I’m sure Madonna doesn’t have to worry about such things because she is a legend and just her name will sell out any venue. It’s quite a different situation for Alizée who is 24, not nearly as famous, and just on the third CD of her career.

[OGRE]

Techno2500 has a very good point. Even if her music company or management or whatever has been changed, they would not have canceled the concert if it was sold out.

Without knowing the contractual arrangements between the old and new, it's hard to say. If the concert was "arranged" under old management, what was the contractual responsibility, risk, and profit/cost split between old and new. Although I'm sure ticket sales were a factor, I wouldn't doubt if contractual loose ends didn't play a part as well. In fact, this would make the award ceremony story more believable. Perhaps the decision to scrub the concert and focus on the award ceremony wasn't a timing clash between the two, but a contract clash.

Of course this is just wild speculation. But my point is there are many clashes that can occur when management changes hands.

[Roman]

its kool bro, writing often has multiple meanings. I thought you were saying something else

Yea i know some were getting denied, i'm surprised mine passed the approval. i tried to be firm and give her a piece of my mind but in a nice way
Maybe the person sanitizing it took a break. Well, they did an ignore and wipe operation and that's all we ever got. Not a great transition so far (caused AA, "the premiere French Alizée fan site" to shut down).

That note about a conversation with Alizée doesn't really tell us anything about the "situation" except that she is still not talking about it. So, think what you will I guess. We aren't even going to be told what to think. And Alizée is as mysterious as ever.

Guess that's why they call them stars: untouchable, unreachable, and in this case far away - 8800KM


Oh, and once again guys, sold out? No. One thing I know for certain is that not even the lower section was sold out - still being sold - the day before the sales were all shut down.

[dreamer]

Wow, I take a break from posting for a week, I come back and everything is in shambles.:(:rolleyes:

I'm sorry for the fans who wasted money on the concert but the reason for the cancellation is pretty obvious, I think: low ticket sales. Which makes me feel sorry for Alizée. Maybe she is ashamed to admit to her fans that she isn't doing so well at the moment.:(
I'm sure she would have held the concert if it would have made any sense or if it was even possible. My faith in her is pretty much intact, I just hope she will be more successful with her music again in the future. But she doesn't really have to be successful, she will always be an exceptional person to me. I just hope there is no other problem apart from lack of commercial success. She deserves only the best in life.:wub:

[Deepwaters]

One thing just occurred to me. If the real reason the concert was rescheduled was because of poor ticket sales, could it be that Alizée's contract forbids her to disclose that information?

[Ruroshen]

One thing just occurred to me. If the real reason the concert was rescheduled was because of poor ticket sales, could it be that Alizée's contract forbids her to disclose that information?
It's very well possible...the ink is probably still very wet on those contracts, so who knows?...but I think it just as likely that she simply appreciates saying anything either way at this point is a no-win situation.

If she confirms the La Lunas explanation, her fans get pissed off all over again at the lameness of it. If she refutes it, we get all pissed off at having been lied to for a week, instead. The storm has mostly blown itself out at at this point, and the damage done...why risk more by speaking up now and stirring it up again? Better to focus efforts on picking up the pieces and rebuilding, which it sounds like she may be doing.

Trust me, I've been just as frustrated and disheartened by the lack of communication as anybody else, but you can't deny that there's a certain logic to her silence...at least this time.

[lefty12357]

One thing just occurred to me. If the real reason the concert was rescheduled was because of poor ticket sales, could it be that Alizée's contract forbids her to disclose that information?

I’m not even sure how much her record company is contractually involved in her concert tour. If I understand correctly, her tour company is “KI M’AIME ME SUIVE” and I believe they are the ones who made the official announcement about the cancellation and offered the awards excuse. I would think it’s quite a tangled web when you look at the different business entities that she is contractually involved with. And I think we say things like “her record company” or “her management” as simple shorthand so often that we get used to thinking its just one big entity. I wouldn’t doubt Alizée gets confused at times as well.

Here are some links I got from AFC, but most of the comments are not for the faint of heart and I wasn't sure if I should even post them here. But maybe it will help to motivate us to stand firm in our support for Alizée. I guess it's times like these when I wish she would have come to the USA and done well just to rub it in the noses of her critics. But she's still got Mexico, and she's got us, for whatever we are worth...;)

http://www.public.fr/people-news/23250_Alizee-annule-sa-seule-date-de-concert-

http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Alizee/news-66963.html

http://www.scooppeople.fr/article-2156.html

http://www.news-de-stars.com/alize/alizee-son-concert-au-grand-rex-reporte-au-28-mars-2009_art9060.html

http://new.fr.music.yahoo.com/blogs/avatar_de_stars/4874/alizele-dbut-de-la-fin-/

[Ben]

...but I think it just as likely that she simply appreciates saying anything either way at this point is a no-win situation.

If she confirms the La Lunas explanation, her fans get pissed off all over again at the lameness of it. If she refutes it, we get all pissed off at having been lied to for a week, instead.
I'm well convinced of the later. But I agree, explaining now is a no-win situation. It's a shame, because these things can happen without creating such a mess. When Melissa Mars had to recently cancel her entire tour, she was honest about the reason (low ticket sales), and while everyone was very upset, no one got angry. Like the rest of you, I'd like to believe that Alizée didn't have control over how this was handled, but then she'd better start thinking about how she could!

[Deepwaters]

I want to say something here about how I'm feeling.

I fully understand how this sequence of events is making people angry. But for me, what I'm feeling is sadness. Of course, I wasn't able to go to the concert anyway, so I'm not out any money nor do I have any personal disappointment, so this is easy for me to say, and I realize that; those of you that did have your plans dashed, I'm not saying you shouldn't feel angry. But it may be that as a result of not having any selfish interest here I have a chance for a clear perspective unclouded by personal disappointment.

There is something here that doesn't compute. To cancel the concert for the award is callous, shallow, and uncaring and makes no sense, and I don't believe for a second that that was the real reason. To cancel because ticket sales were low, on the other hand, is believable -- or would be, except that there was no reason not to provide that explanation from the beginning. Everyone would have understood. People would bitch, but not feel betrayed, as they do now. So if that was the reason for the cancellation, why not say so?

Something doesn't fit here. I think there's another reason, something we don't know about, something that Alizée doesn't want made public. Something that is messing her up enough that she is handling things in this unprofessional manner, as if her career isn't on the front burner for her at the moment.

The thought of that makes me sad in itself, and on top of that the damage to her career also makes me feel sad for her. I wish there was something I could do to help.

[Ben]

To cancel the concert for the award is callous, shallow, and uncaring and makes no sense, and I don't believe for a second that that was the real reason.
Whatever the real reason, does it warrant an excuse like that? Granted, this would have opened up it's own can of worms, but they could have just not been specific. Unless of course they assumed we'd buy any story, in which case it would be worth covering up even something understandable like ticket sales.

I doubt there's any mystery factor that would explain and absolve everything. It's probably more a complex tangled mess of things - the details of which we don't know, but the overall shape we can guess.

The change of record label and staff, for example, probably resulted in the total lack of promotion, which in turn led to low ticket sales. Which may be why they don't want to acknowledge it. It's one thing to say sales were bad despite best efforts, another to admit they dropped the ball.

For the record, I'm not angry. Just very disappointed.

[OGRE]

One thing just occurred to me. If the real reason the concert was rescheduled was because of poor ticket sales, could it be that Alizée's contract forbids her to disclose that information?

I doubt it specifically prohibits that, but I would not be surprised if there are clauses that cover conduct in such situations, which would include doing or saying things in public that is not cleared through the label. Doubly so for saying things counter to the label's message.

[Roman]

...Everyone would have understood. People would bitch, but not feel betrayed, as they do now. So if that was the reason for the cancellation, why not say so?
...
Well, I just wish someone could get that through to Sony or whoever it is, though it just seems like they think we are too few and insignificant to blink an eye at and that's what happened. So, I tend more to agree with Snatcher, it's probably just a case of plans and expectations gone wrong. This didn't have to happen to Alizée and us, but it did. As for her part in all this, who knows? I cared a lot, but I never got an answer. It may be that it's never too late for an answer, but I've no reason to think anyone will ever get one at this point.

[lefty12357]

It almost seems like someone was just winging it when they threw out that awards excuse. A group of business people with average intelligence would have quickly realized after a few moments of deliberation all the negative ramifications to Alizée that such a statement would have. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced she was not consulted or involved in any way with the public statements made.

[Roman]

You inspired me to translate some of the comments using some infallible online translators :cool:. Yeah most of them were really negative, but amidst the ones expressing glee, urging her to do a porno (:mad:), and the ever-smug "I told you so, you shouldn't have left MF," there were a few wishing her good luck in the future, and offering support and advice (though these were few and far between). Let us counteract their negativity with a surge of positive and unconditional support ;).
Well, I was in Mexico and while the venue was smaller still, I say the French missed out on a fun concert. Even if France doesn't like her all that much anymore, it was only 35-40 Euros and a fun concert all prepared and it was frikkin wasted! Believe me, when I was there at least, there were plenty of people just sitting around in cafés every night of the week. Lots of people milling around the streets buying 10+ euro drinks and chatting it up. You know how much people end up shoveling out at the crappy night clubs over there? And do you know who they were promoting instead in the night clubs ... no one. They couldn't fill the Rex for one night? Maybe they should have booked it for August or September like they were going to originally.

They should have marketed the thing to foreigners. I swear, pull some dude off the street, toss him into that concert and ask him if it was worth the price at the end. Answer is yes. Hell, any decently put together concert with someone who doesn't suck would probably be worth it and yes, this was better than that. She probably would have sang Idéaliser too (I'll imagine). She had pretty cool sets and stuff. I think there's just too much distraction in Paris, but maybe not now and that's why they decided to go for now. This is just ... damn... ah!:mad:
Too late.

...But she's still got Mexico, and she's got us, for whatever we are worth...;) Now come on, not a great time for comments like that.

... but most of the comments are not for the faint of heart ... You were right. Maybe I shouldn't have even looked. Didn't look at many, but some were pretty brutal. It would have been better if no one had commented at all. I wonder if some were people pissed about how the concert cancellation occurred. Don't mess with the public. A bunch of people are still griping about her leaving Farmer. They won't ever forget it. I was angry for a while, but I can't stand to hear people say she has no career and the album is lousy.

I look at a picture of our bright little Alizée and I just wonder if this doesn't work, what's she going to do? Now I'm feeling sick again. My dream girl made at least decent music (I like it) but the public is soured? Pray they work something out. I wonder if Alizée even feels as bad as do. Sadly I suspect she might.

[Rev]

It almost seems like someone was just winging it when they threw out that awards excuse. A group of business people with average intelligence would have quickly realized after a few moments of deliberation all the negative ramifications to Alizée that such a statement would have. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced she was not consulted or involved in any way with the public statements made.

This makes as much sense as anything. She could be contractually barred from commenting on a situation that even she thinks is lousy.


I look at a picture of our bright little Alizée and I just wonder if this doesn't work, what's she going to do? Now I'm feeling sick again. My dream girl made at least decent music (I like it) but the public is soured? Pray they work something out. I wonder if Alizée even feels as bad as I do. Sadly I suspect she might.

I do too. She has to be very sad at the way this is all working out.

[Lerxst]

After reading this thread with much interest, I think everybody is reading a little too much into the conspiracy theories. Sometimes, the simplest reason is the correct one. It is clear to me that the concert was canceled/rescheduled due to poor ticket sales, plain and simple. The award excuse was just an attempt by Alizee's team to save her from (perceived) public embarrassment. (this may have actually backfired but that's beside the point)

Can we drop all the conspiracy theories now?

Regarding the relationship between record company and artist management, I used to work for a major record company, so I feel like I can shed a little light on how it works.

I can't speak for Alizee's situation specifically but, generally speaking, an artist hires their own manager(s). The record company has no input into that. The label's job is to promote and distribute the artist's product, not to manage the artist. Just because Alizee's label has changed, that shouldn't affect her management team. But as I said, her specific situation might be different.

Also, the record company is not responsible for booking (or canceling) concert dates. That is between the artist's management and the concert promoter.

And as for the notion that the label has put a gag order on Lilly, I find that hard to believe. Besides, I think we are overestimating how much attention the label is actually paying to Alizee.

[mavsluver41]

Can we drop all the conspiracy theories now?

Pffft. Unless you have better evidence, I'm cleaving to the Alizée lesbian theory :D.

[Deepwaters]

Lerxst: Thank you for the information regarding typical relations between the record label and the artist's management. That was pretty much my own assumption about how things worked. I have no inside knowledge of the music business whatever the way you do, but it makes intuitive common sense to me that it would be like that.

I'm not suggesting a conspiracy but rather an emotional meltdown. If the record label doesn't have control over the concert scheduling and related issues, then Alizée does. Any managers employed to take care of that side of the business are her employees, and she herself has the final say. There have been many indications since her comeback that she is a take-charge, hands-on kind of performer who calls a lot of the shots herself. She was the one who put the team of composers together for Psychédélices. We saw a video on the production of the Mademoiselle Juliette clip, and she was directing it herself, making calls on the costuming, etc. To the best of my knowledge, she did the same thing with the 50/60 video.

This whole situation is not like her. Either she has made some very, very bad calls herself, or she has left those calls in the hands of others who did while she retreated into a shell. And that's just not normal for her. There was a time during her MCE concert tour when she tried to perform while suffering from some sort of respiratory infection, and ended up collapsing on stage. When she had to cancel the autograph session in Mexico City for security reasons, she made a very emotional apology for that, and was obviously very sensitive to the fact that she had let her fans down. That is what Alizée is normally like -- not this.

Now as for the concert, we do know that ticket sales were off. That would certainly justify cancelling the concert; she wouldn't be the first performer who did that. But my sense is that if she was herself, if she was on top of things, either she would have toughed it out and held the concert anyway to keep faith with her fans (those that showed up), or she would have cancelled the concert and given the real reason why. That things have gone the way they have gone confirms for me what I sensed several weeks ago, that something is very very wrong.

What? Damned if I know. Maybe her brother has become a Corsican separatist radical and joined a terrorist cell. Maybe her dog went postal and bit a neighbor's arm off. Maybe she's discovered a long-lost illegitimate half-sister and her parents are getting divorced over it. There's no way we can know what's wrong, and really no reason why we should know; it's none of our business. But that something is wrong is obvious to me.

And that's why I find myself saddened by the whole thing, and wishing I could help.

[Roman]

Lerxst: Thank you for the information regarding typical relations between the record label and the artist's management. That was pretty much my own assumption about how things worked. I have no inside knowledge of the music business whatever the way you do, but it makes intuitive common sense to me that it would be like that.

I'm not suggesting a conspiracy but rather an emotional meltdown. If the record label doesn't have control over the concert scheduling and related issues, then Alizée does. Any managers employed to take care of that side of the business are her employees, and she herself has the final say. There have been many indications since her comeback that she is a take-charge, hands-on kind of performer who calls a lot of the shots herself. She was the one who put the team of composers together for Psychédélices. We saw a video on the production of the Mademoiselle Juliette clip, and she was directing it herself, making calls on the costuming, etc. To the best of my knowledge, she did the same thing with the 50/60 video.

This whole situation is not like her. Either she has made some very, very bad calls herself, or she has left those calls in the hands of others who did while she retreated into a shell. And that's just not normal for her. There was a time during her MCE concert tour when she tried to perform while suffering from some sort of respiratory infection, and ended up collapsing on stage. When she had to cancel the autograph session in Mexico City for security reasons, she made a very emotional apology for that, and was obviously very sensitive to the fact that she had let her fans down. That is what Alizée is normally like -- not this.

Now as for the concert, we do know that ticket sales were off. That would certainly justify cancelling the concert; she wouldn't be the first performer who did that. But my sense is that if she was herself, if she was on top of things, either she would have toughed it out and held the concert anyway to keep faith with her fans (those that showed up), or she would have cancelled the concert and given the real reason why. That things have gone the way they have gone confirms for me what I sensed several weeks ago, that something is very very wrong.

What? Damned if I know. Maybe her brother has become a Corsican separatist radical and joined a terrorist cell. Maybe her dog went postal and bit a neighbor's arm off. Maybe she's discovered a long-lost illegitimate half-sister and her parents are getting divorced over it. There's no way we can know what's wrong, and really no reason why we should know; it's none of our business. But that something is wrong is obvious to me.

And that's why I find myself saddened by the whole thing, and wishing I could help.
What wouldn't many of us have given to help Alizée if we knew she was in trouble? But, yeah, we can't really even know if or when she is let alone do anything about it in many cases. So, yeah, maybe it's better to not know rather than have to brood over it. Though I know that many who love Alizée would like to know what is going on with her rather than just wonder about strange behavior. Well, later today we may see her again at least.

[Roman]

I think if that happened it would be the end of her career.
I think that point was already made about the cancellation of this last concert. She has interest still in Mexico, but yes, as for the Rex, someone needs to do something, either she or her fans and of course preferably both. Maybe they'll hold the concert no matter how many people intend to show up because they already paid for the venue and the decision to "postpone" was because they just thought that maybe the other fans, the French fans in particular, would realize that they need to fight for her like the Mexican fans did and something would happen there. One can only guess. I'm still curious about this fan meeting or whatever it is by the end of the year.

Maybe she figures that whatever happens, she'll make another album and maybe people will like it better or enough sales will happen in Mexico to make it worth the time.

She's too good to just let it end. She must make another album or find work with someone performing. She put her heart into that album I think she said. I hope she didn't really lose heart.

[lowbeam]

i think most people are scared there might be another postponement or outright cancellation meaning they lose travel expenses again.

I enjoy dreaming about a concert in Paris but realistically just like Roman says something will have to change for it to occur. I don't believe they'll have a concert no matter how few tickets sell, they'll have to promote and I wish someone on her team would communicate and allow us to help. I don't know if we would succeed but it wouldn't be for lack of effort.