"Open Letter to Alizée" Project!

[Chuck]

Eureka! An Idea Of A Bunch Of Ideas!

Guys & Gals,

On the Lillytown forum, on the discussions about the new album, some of the fans are nervous. Some of what they're saying was very surprising to me! Probably to some of you, too.

They're concerned for their girl, and her future career!

After her years of privacy, Alizée's comeback album "Psychedélices" was not considered a big success. In fact, they called it a commercial semi-failure.

And they're grateful for "The Mexican Miracle"** (their expression) for having saved her from the "yesterday's pop-stars trash bin" (my expression). (¡Gracias a todos nuestros miembros y amigos mejicanos!)

But they don't know if a Mexican Miracle will happen again, or if it'd even be enough to keep Wisteria Song in business....

To get to the point - they're actually hoping that this new album will be the one to break through for her in the US and Canada. Get it? We all want the same thing!


And it could very well happen, if we just sit back and write fan letters all day.

OR WE COULD POOL OUR FAN-LETTER-WRITING PROWESSES TOGETHER!

We've all had ideas for promotions and inroads. Ways to help more of the ignorant to become enlightened by Lilly, until enough are enlightened and she'd be compelled to do a US tour and play in (your town name here).

I'm proposing we all put our best ideas together, translate 'em together, and send 'em all off together!








...well, nobody said anything, so I guess I'll start:

Dear Miss Alizée,

We all (blahblahblah) adore you (blahblahblah) and (AlizeeAmerica.com) (blahblahblah)...


We want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, here are our top suggestions on how to wow the populace and take your rightful place as queen of the world: (we can all edit this stuff later, too)


1) Be on Letterman. Or Ferguson, or even Kimmel, or O'Brian. Or Leno. Or all of 'em. --stinky53, Toad Suck Dam, AR

2) Go on The View. -- Pinky, Pocatello, ID


3) etc. etc. etc.


That could be the start, anyway. Just post your best ideas here, then we'll put 'em all together in a list. Within a week or so, I think we might really hit a few good ones. Then we'll convert it and post it. She couldn't help but to notice, somehow! Seriously.

And after some past marketing miscalculations (like Yoopidoo in english!), I don't see how our suggestions could be any worse. Maybe even better! Write your observations or opinions, your grandma's pork cake recipe, or whatever else you think might help soften up the squooshy minds of the American people.

Suggestions or further questions for our French counterparts will surely come up as well, I hope. We'll deal with that then.


Yes, this may sound like those groups of school kids that get to meet the president by writing a school letter. Well, yes. And they succeed--they get to meet the president! Hey this system works! But how many schools are there? A lot more that don't get to meet him, or attract anyone's notice, that's for sure. How many Alizée America forums are there? Just this one here that I'm writing at! Whaddya say?





**"The Mexican Miracle": After dismal initial sales, the disc and the star just suddenly caught on in Mexico, selling (? millions ?) of copies. I don't know how many, but it was a lot.

[user472884]

I'm sure there's some kind of telethon charity thing here in the states.... that would help immensely.

[Alex]

I really share your enthusiasm to start this project aswell as the other projects that have been mentioned. I would love to start posting my ideas in this new thread, but the thing is that I'm using my itouch and I can't really write all my suggestions and ideas, but tommorrow morning for sure I will :)

One question Chuck; if we got well organized and do this project, where would we send all these letters?? Does anybody know her adress or her manager's office??
Now that I recall this past b-day of Alizee, i saw in Alizee World.com that SONY had agreed to send a birthday package to her full of fan presents. Im sure if we get to talk with the president and reps of Alizee world they could talk to SONY BMG and could hopefully help us out :)

[user472884]

One question Chuck; if we got well organized and do this project, where would we send all these letters?? Does anybody know her adress or her manager's office??

I thought the same thing at first, but I don't think he means us personally send it. I think he means we should help out our friends at Lillytown and they'll take care of it

that SONY had agreed to send a birthday package to her full of fan presents. Im sure if we get to talk with the president and reps of Alizee world they could talk to SONY BMG and could hopefully help us out :)

how did the fan's get their present's in the package? I'd like to give her a playdough ashtray or pencil holder for her 26th lol

nah, I know of something meaningful.

[Alex]

I thought the same thing at first, but I don't think he means us personally send it. I think he means we should help out our friends at Lillytown and they'll take care of it



how did the fan's get their present's in the package? I'd like to give her a playdough ashtray or pencil holder for her 26th lol

nah, I know of something meaningful.

Well in what I read their presents had to fit inside the package SONY was going to sent out, it also had to weigh a certain weight.

My view in Alizée's career I see it that this next album will decide wether we see Alizée doing a 5th album or not:( All this due to critics and reviews from France that her last album was not that successfull in france or Europe. And as Chuck said thanx to that Mexican Miracle we see Alizée working harder on the launch of the upcoming album:) And I really think this is our chance to really show our support, the support of the American fan community.
For me some key points are:
-letting SONY BMG know we need their proffessional help to promte her.
-letting know Alizée once again that we exists and we're growing every week!:) ( sending letters, etc...)
-and finally promoting her ourselves when the album comes out or right before.

[Chuck]

Yes, guys, we can try to get a manager's address. We can send copies to jive/epic and sony/bmg and rca. We can do that. We probably will.

At the same time (if what Barrett said was true at all), maybe all we have to do is to ask Jung to ask his sister to pass it on.....?

Or post it on the French websites. Some of those folks actually do seem to (or claim to) know her. One guy has a blog she subscribes to.

The point is, "e-mail a des ailes". E-mail has wings.

We may have to send via 3 or 4 different routes before she'd get it. But we only really need for 1 to make it through, right? :rolleyes:

[user472884]

Jung to ask his sister to pass it on.....?


*perks up like a deer hearing a twig snap*

elaborate please?

[Forrplay]

Well in what I read their presents had to fit inside the package SONY was going to sent out, it also had to weigh a certain weight.

My view in Alizée's career I see it that this next album will decide wether we see Alizée doing a 5th album or not:( All this due to critics and reviews from France that her last album was not that successfull in france or Europe. And as Chuck said thanx to that Mexican Miracle we see Alizée working harder on the launch of the upcoming album:) And I really think this is our chance to really show our support, the support of the American fan community.
For me some key points are:
-letting SONY BMG know we need their proffessional help to promte her.
-letting know Alizée once again that we exists and we're growing every week!:) ( sending letters, etc...)
-and finally promoting her ourselves when the album comes out or right before.

That sounds like a good plan but it's nearly impossible to reach her or her managers

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Im sure if we get to talk with the president and reps of Alizee world they could talk to SONY BMG and could hopefully help us out :)

Alizée World does not have actual contact with Sony

At the same time (if what Barrett said was true at all), maybe all we have to do is to ask Jung to ask his sister to pass it on.....?

it could be mentioned to a couple people ;)

*perks up like a deer hearing a twig snap*

elaborate please?

I don't actually have a sister so quit trying to hit on her :p

[Jenny_HRO87]

I love your enthusiasm guys... sadly I can't share it :(

[Chuck]

Jung, we're very sorry to hear about what happened to your sister. We're all going to miss her very much. Perhaps young Jalen most of all... :blink:



...But you say you still know people. Living people. People that know people. See? Works for me! This is not so farfetched.


So here's what we've got so far. Suggestions in no set or particular order.


Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

We all (blahblahblah) adore you (blahblahblah) and (AlizeeAmerica.com) (blahblahblah)...


We want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, here are our top suggestions on how to wow the populace and take your rightful place as queen of the world: (we can all edit this stuff later, too)



1) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, his tub, CA

2) Be on SNL. Or Letterman. Or Ferguson, or even Kimmel, or O'Brian. Or Leno. Or any or all of 'em! (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other furriners) --stinky53, Toad Suck Dam, AR

3) Consider moving to L.A. for a year, like "Becks" and "Posh" did! Everybody knows them now. And everything they say, do, eat, etc.... --Chuck, Wisconsin

4) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmmm?)


5) Next?





6,7,8....)
I know there've been tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll try to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so too! :D

I love your enthusiasm guys... sadly I can't share it :(

Sorry to hear that. You mean because you're in Germany, right? (If that's it) you'll probably still have ideas. And once Alizee becomes famous in the US, it may improve her presence and status worldwide---even in Germany!

'Spater, tater! ;) - chuck

[wasabi622]

well, for one, she can start acknowledging us American fans! she does it a lot with her Mexican fans.

[Jenny_HRO87]

Sorry to hear that. You mean because you're in Germany, right? (If that's it) you'll probably still have ideas. And once Alizee becomes famous in the US, it may improve her presence and status worldwide---even in Germany!

'Spater, tater! ;) - chuck

it is not because I'm in Germany... just can't imagine that it works... but I wish you good luck guys!

and about success in Germany - I guess if the new album will be great and the promotion thingy works better than with Psychédélices she'll be "back in action" again without the USA... she was famous here we need just some promo CDs to wake people up... but right now I'm pretty pessimistic :(

[Fall]

some ppl were talking about her touring with other French artists like Yelle, of whom ive never heard of :confused: but it would be a start. but also we have to think about whether or not she (and her label and others) would like to do it. If i had to choose somebody for her to tour with, id say Madonna. it would be a win win situation cause it would be a dream come true for Alizée (most importantly), a dream come true for us to see her here :wub:, and a small plus for Madonna for the extra ticket sales. what do you guys think?

i feel mine is a rather weak/last option idea that we should think about and modify a little more to make it stronger . I posted this a while ago, some liked it some didnt. Put it up if you want Chuck. But reflecting on this now though, it would be nice to see a Madonna concert and all that, but im not really interested in her lol. Plus it would kinda suck to only see Alizée do a song or two and Madonna for the rest, but better than not seeing her here at all right? so like i said, lets think about it (my quote) more and change it up a bit *ahem savvy members*

[user472884]

I don't actually have a sister so quit trying to hit on her :p

i meant in the context of how said sister would have access to Alizée...


1) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, his tub, CA


very random yet made me chuckle.

Actually it's my theater chair with my laptop on my belly.

[Ben]

This is a good idea, except I wouldn't direct the letters at Alizée. She knows this stuff, and will do what she wants regardless. Like Mexico, getting her here is up to us - build it and she will come. So send letters to the media instead. Rather than telling Alizée to appear on Letterman, for example, tell Letterman to check out Alizée. I think radio stations are the first step. Getting her played there will give us something to approach the bigger TV guns with.

[edgar93]

just can't imagine that it works... but I wish you good luck guys!
:(

letter can be delivered to Alizée, in many ways, that sure will work.

I think the letter would encourage Alizée to do something in the U.S, or even give her ideas about what to do :blink:. But we can always send this type of letters to the media, just like Ben said!

[Chuck]

HR: Während dein Englisch sehr gut ist, hat dein Meinung noch einen deutschen Akzent. Vielleicht werden wir etwas beide lernen. Veilleicht...

Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben. I am new here, but I was thinking that was what you guys had been doing for years. We should definitely keep up those approaches as well (I've got more sticker ideas I still plan to draw up, too.) But I thought this might be something new to try.



:DEdgar likes the idea. And he knows miracles! He's met the lady! He says it's sure to work, so I might just prefer his opinion.


BEN, HR: thanks for your input. If you guys think we should just give up, just say so and, okay, fine, I'm done. I promise not to be mad, or quit the forum, or anything unseemly.

But I do dislike giving up. :o

[Fall]

HR: Während dein Englisch sehr gut ist, hat dein Meinung noch einen deutschen Akzent. Vielleicht werden wir etwas beide lernen. Veilleicht...

Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben. I am new here, but I was thinking that was what you guys had been doing for years. We should definitely keep up those approaches as well (I've got more sticker ideas I still plan to draw up, too.) But I thought this might be something new to try.



:DEdgar likes the idea. And he knows miracles! He's met the lady! He says it's sure to work, so I might just prefer his opinion.


BEN, HR: thanks for your input. If you guys think we should just give up, just say so and, okay, fine, I'm done. I promise not to be mad, or quit the forum, or anything unseemly.

But I do dislike giving up. :o

No giving up! That would be giving up our dreams to see her here! I'm with ya Chuck! :D

[Alex]

No giving up! That would be giving up our dreams to see her here! I'm with ya Chuck! :D

NO giving up!!!! We have to give it a shot! Im with you too Chuck!
I also really really like the sticker idea!:)

The thing is that unless someone does not take the initiative on this movement and gets well organized we are going nowhere:(, but I am 1000% signed up to support Chuck or anyone who starts this movement and promotion!:):)

Time is coming to a close, and we need to prepare for the promotion; letters, t-shirts, stickers, posters, and more:) we are a good group of fans scattered/ grouped all around the US, if we get the material out and the letters Im pretty sure we can accomplish huge goals.

( sorry for any errors:), posted using an ipod:) )

[Ben]

Wasn't suggesting giving up in the slightest! Just saying Alizée's aware of us, knows this stuff in broad terms, and is waiting for something to happen on our end before making a move. So I'd concentrate energy there! There's no harm in sending a letter, and yes it could give her extra motivation, but it's also kind of "preaching to the choir". Yes, we've been writing to the media for years, but apparently not in sufficient numbers, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation now because she'd already be here! I'm sure of that. And I've met her too you know. ;)

[Fall]

While its true that we're spread out and spread real thin, we have to look at it in a positive way. What we've got is better than being a few thousand fans in one city. Because we're spread out, we can influence more people. If you all lived in my neighborhood here in Annandale, sure we'd make her known like crazy in NOVA/DC Metro Area, but the rest of the country would be in the dark about her. So lets use our weakness as an advantage, when her new album comes out we have to be all over the place. That, plus what Chuck has going on here can convince the American public and Alizée to finally meet.

[Chuck]

Wow, that was fast. Thank you, Ben. And you, Fall06, and Alex, and the members of the academy and my parents and :o


Okay, I'm a gonna see this thing through. If we do a good enough job, it can't fail to at least get to her attention. And it may even help the way we're intending it to. Couldn't hurt, right?

As for other approaches, that's the beauty of our being a big group: we can all work on the different things at the same time.


New version posted again tomorrow. I sleep soon. Brain hurt.


And I've met her too you know. ;)


Veinard! Well I've met 5 presidents and 11 popes, but I'd gladly trade them all for that. :p (Okay, maybe not, but I would if I had.. )

[wasabi622]

And I've met her too you know. ;)

oh. nice. rub it in a bit more why don't you?! :mad::p

[Chuck]

oh. nice. rub it in a bit more why don't you?!

Ditto, I'm awful jealous too. :p


Hi Wasabi! I logged back on special, just to tell you this answer for what you'd said above:
well, for one, she can start acknowledging us American fans! she does it a lot with her Mexican fans.



'Sabi, 'Sabi, 'Sabi, 'Sabi, 'Sabi, 'Sabi, 'Sabi, Kimo Sabe:

I like this thought--Barrett and some folks were grousing on the twitterwall thread again the other day, and then I realized something later:


Where Alizee tweeted "thanks everybody!", she did it in English. Not French, not Spanish, not Portuguese or Swahili. Sorry, not even Korean. (say, d'you watch "Lost", btw? )

It's a fact. She knows we helped. And she's grateful!

And she's gunning for us.

I hear you saying "but Twitterwall's an American site - that's why she used English for that tweet."

I say that controverts nothing, only further proves my point. ;)

:rolleyes:

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I don't want to burst any bubbles or anything or be a prick but the thanks everybody was for birthday wishes hence the daring on it ;)

once again not trying to be a prick but I don't want you getting any misconceptions

[Chuck]

Oh. No you're not being a prick, Jung'ée.

But was still in English, wasn't it?

[TheBarrett]

Oh. No you're not being a prick, Jung'ée.

But was still in English, wasn't it?

Yep.
Thanks everybody isn't that hard though. :p
She should do some awesome sentences that target individual members and crud. :p
That would be awesome!

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Oh. No you're not being a prick, Jung'ée.

thanks :p

But was still in English, wasn't it?

indeed she tweets a lot in English as it is quite a universal language ;)

[Fall]

She should do some awesome sentences that target individual members and crud. :p
That would be awesome!

Alizée: "Thanks to TheBarret for posting 2,8?? times on AA and Fall06 for being my top listener on Zune Market place!"

:eek::wub: Can you imagine?! Awesome indeed lol

sorry for the other members lol Barrett suggested and earned it and i was just fantasizing that she would recognize me for doing that, but i do it anyway :wub:.

[TheBarrett]

Alizée: "Thanks to TheBarret for posting 2,8?? times on AA and Fall06 for being my top listener on Zune Market place!"

:eek::wub: Can you imagine?! Awesome indeed lol

sorry for the other members lol Barrett suggested and earned it and i was just fantasizing that she would recognize me for doing that, but i do it anyway :wub:.

I don't think she's that internet-inclined as we are Fall. :p
Just live off what you deem as few strings of communication between you and her. Feed off of it. :p
Or just spend your life to catch hopefully a concert in the future and then be the closest you ever will, lest there be another autograph signing. :)

[user472884]

I don't think she's that internet-inclined as we are Fall. :p
Just live off what you deem as few strings of communication between you and her. Feed off of it. :p
Or just spend your life to catch hopefully a concert in the future and then be the closest you ever will, lest there be another autograph signing. :)

didn't she say she was into all that computer stuff? like if she wasn't a singer she'd be in something with computers.

*holy crap I just got an image of Alizée in the Geek Squad

I'd be sledgehammering my computer every day.

I can already hear her yelling at me, "WTF? how did freaking your shoes get in the computer? Why are there broken bits of Pink cd's in the cd drives?"

[Forrplay]

didn't she say she was into all that computer stuff? like if she wasn't a singer she'd be in something with computers.

*holy crap I just got an image of Alizée in the Geek Squad

I'd be sledgehammering my computer every day.

I can already hear her yelling at me, "WTF? how did freaking your shoes get in the computer? Why are there broken bits of Pink cd's in the cd drives?"

Yes she did indeed say that if she wasn't a singer she would have her own dance school and if not that then she would be a computer engineer and I agree I'd die if she showed up at my door in a Geek squad outfit, she'd say "This isn't broken its unplugged" then I'd smash it and say "Oops how clumsy of me.":D

[Jenny_HRO87]

HR: Während dein Englisch sehr gut ist, hat dein Meinung noch einen deutschen Akzent. Vielleicht werden wir etwas beide lernen. Veilleicht...

What do you mean my opinion has a german accent?

[wasabi622]

didn't she say she was into all that computer stuff? like if she wasn't a singer she'd be in something with computers.

*holy crap I just got an image of Alizée in the Geek Squad

I'd be sledgehammering my computer every day.

I can already hear her yelling at me, "WTF? how did freaking your shoes get in the computer? Why are there broken bits of Pink cd's in the cd drives?"

i simply can't fathom the idea of someone like Alizee being a computer person.. that could be because all the computer people i've known are all quite the gamer geeks(not that everyone whose in computers are gamer geeks! :D)

id cry the day the JEAM dance dies for the sake of a software backup program. :p

[Jess]

I'll have to gather all my thoughts to come up with something nice to say in a letter, my brain is kind of scattered right now, new girlfriend, new website, new job project, new hair cut. I'll stop before someone threatens to hit me with a blunt object he he.

Anyways I think The Barret said it well on another board when he said we should all contribute as best we can and no idea is a bad idea, except the ones that are not shared of course. We should all do whatever we can, to some it may be easier to promote her via radio stations on colleges etc, others might find it easier to just go out and hand out samples and pamphlets. For those that want to send her demand letters, that's also a great idea why not show her our desire to expose her to our country and the world. Every little thing helps and also all this we'll help uplift the community's spirit... ;) :)

[Tchaikovsky]

Eureka! An Idea Of A Bunch Of Ideas!

Guys & Gals,

On the Lillytown forum, on the discussions about the new album, some of the fans are nervous. Some of what they're saying was very surprising to me! Probably to some of you, too.

They're concerned for their girl, and her future career!

After her years of privacy, Alizée's comeback album "Psychedélices" was not considered a big success. In fact, they called it a commercial semi-failure.

And they're grateful for "The Mexican Miracle"** (their expression) for having saved her from the "yesterday's pop-stars trash bin" (my expression). (¡Gracias a todos nuestros miembros y amigos mejicanos!)

But they don't know if a Mexican Miracle will happen again, or if it'd even be enough to keep Wisteria Song in business....

To get to the point - they're actually hoping that this new album will be the one to break through for her in the US and Canada. Get it? We all want the same thing!


And it could very well happen, if we just sit back and write fan letters all day.

OR WE COULD POOL OUR FAN-LETTER-WRITING PROWESSES TOGETHER!

We've all had ideas for promotions and inroads. Ways to help more of the ignorant to become enlightened by Lilly, until enough are enlightened and she'd be compelled to do a US tour and play in (your town name here).

I'm proposing we all put our best ideas together, translate 'em together, and send 'em all off together!








...well, nobody said anything, so I guess I'll start:

Dear Miss Alizée,

We all (blahblahblah) adore you (blahblahblah) and (AlizeeAmerica.com) (blahblahblah)...


We want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, here are our top suggestions on how to wow the populace and take your rightful place as queen of the world: (we can all edit this stuff later, too)


1) Be on Letterman. Or Ferguson, or even Kimmel, or O'Brian. Or Leno. Or all of 'em. --stinky53, Toad Suck Dam, AR

2) Go on The View. -- Pinky, Pocatello, ID


3) etc. etc. etc.


That could be the start, anyway. Just post your best ideas here, then we'll put 'em all together in a list. Within a week or so, I think we might really hit a few good ones. Then we'll convert it and post it. She couldn't help but to notice, somehow! Seriously.

And after some past marketing miscalculations (like Yoopidoo in english!), I don't see how our suggestions could be any worse. Maybe even better! Write your observations or opinions, your grandma's pork cake recipe, or whatever else you think might help soften up the squooshy minds of the American people.

Suggestions or further questions for our French counterparts will surely come up as well, I hope. We'll deal with that then.


Yes, this may sound like those groups of school kids that get to meet the president by writing a school letter. Well, yes. And they succeed--they get to meet the president! Hey this system works! But how many schools are there? A lot more that don't get to meet him, or attract anyone's notice, that's for sure. How many Alizée America forums are there? Just this one here that I'm writing at! Whaddya say?
Good luck with that.

[Chuck]

What do you mean my opinion has a german accent?

HR087, this didn't come up on the "what do you say" thread, but sometimes americans say "Don't get your Lederhosen all in a bunch!"

I find it tempting to say that to you now, but I won't. I won't, because that would be wrong, flippant, and further compounding my earlier error. I would be further promoting stereotypes, clichés, miscommunication, and general disunity.

So I apologize to you sir. Most sincerely. I did not mean to cast any negative connotations upon either you or your beautiful country. I am sorry. Very sorry. Honestly!


Now please take it to heart when I say:
Wenn Mann Alizée mag, ist er ein Freund von mir. Jetzt geführt, wie ein Dachshund das ganze Sauerkraut in Ihrem Volkswagen isst.


;)

*******************

Ooops, I think I got cut off there. What I was just saying to HR was "A friend of Alizee is a friend of mine. And I hope Germany wins the World Cup Again!"

Loosely translated, that is. :D

Jess - ;)

[Jenny_HRO87]

I don't understand it why you have to apologize I guess you misunderstood me...first I wasn't offended of your sentence I just don't know what you mean when you said my opinion has a german accent... second I'm a lady... and third but I don't wanna go offtopic so check your inbox^^

and as I said before - good luck guys!

[user472884]

id cry the day the JEAM dance dies for the sake of a software backup program. :p

well, maybe if this singing thing doesn't work out I'd fly her out to fix my computer.

you are supposed to presoak your computer in your bath tub before you use the internet right? Also my comp was getting too hot so I drilled a few holes in those flat green and purple things to let the hotness out.

[Fall]

I don't think she's that internet-inclined as we are Fall. :p
Just live off what you deem as few strings of communication between you and her. Feed off of it. :p
Or just spend your life to catch hopefully a concert in the future and then be the closest you ever will, lest there be another autograph signing. :)
I've done that all my life :(, no connection to my favorite artists.


well, maybe if this singing thing doesn't work out I'd fly her out to fix my computer.

you are supposed to presoak your computer in your bath tub before you use the internet right? Also my comp was getting too hot so I drilled a few holes in those flat green and purple things to let the hotness out.

Yeah! My laptop got all hot so i put it in the freezer for a bit and now it wont turn on. so i put it in warm water but that did nothing! The Dr. Freeze thing from Batman was a lie!!! I need a professional miracle to help me out! :D

[wasabi622]

psh, i got so frustrated at my previous laptop for being retarded when trying to open itunes, i punched the screen and it died.

beat that! (that's a true story too.)

[Fall]

psh, i got so frustrated at my previous laptop for being retarded when trying to open itunes, i punched the screen and it died.

beat that! (that's a true story too.)


the worst thing that happened to my computer actually happened about a week after i bought it, my dad got insanely angry (i forget why) and when i yelled at him to calm down he slammed my laptop shut :mad:. the display was obviously effed up and i had to go to best buy to exchange it for my current one. unfortunately, also a true story :(

[Chuck]

Jalen mentioned P!nk cd's yesterday, and it reminded me of the "My Humps" dustup. (LCC thought that song was "vulgar").

Turns out, most French had never heard of P!nk before! ( some had noticed her on the twitter thing ) I posted a pic and youtube links to her, hoping just to get a reaction. Yeak. It horrified a couple people! One guy said P!nk seemed awfully "vulgaire", too!

Good thing I didn't talk about "My Humps" first. Let's just say that song is not going on the list. :blink:


(btw Jalen, if you're not in ton bain de mousse anymore, you'll have to specify how you want your name to appear here)


AS shown below, this is basically the form of the finished product I have in mind. Just a very nice, polite E-Doc.

There may have been some misconceptions involving great bundles, packages, and ashtrays being delivered. No. No ashtrays. Sorry, but I am not volunteering to do all that. ( but if somebody else wants to start that, I'll go start making ceramics too )

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QUICK SUMMARY SO FAR: We're brainstorming our best media / marketing-type ideas - so please add a post or two (or three or ...) with your ideas of how to promote the new CD and Alizée in North America. Then we assemble these ideas into just a very nice, polite, maybe-even-helpful e-doc, and tnen we hit send. That's it.



Any Old Ideas You Got, Really!

Alizée could, would, and rightly should kick Celine Dion off the charts and back to Canada, if she was only introduced to that same audience. (ulp, sorry Canadians).

But would Americans go for it if Alizée was presented as another Britney, Madonna, or Pink, only from France? I don't know.

We do know that first impressions count for a lot, and most Americans haven't yet had that first impression.




*ENTRIES WITH ASTERISKS* below are totally up for grabs. To be added, changed, deleted, overdiscussed, and/or adopted. Suggestions still in no particular order.





Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


We all (blahblahblah) adore you (blahblahblah) and (AlizeeAmerica.com) (blahblahblah)...

And want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, here are our top suggestions on how to wow the populace and take your rightful place as queen of the world: (notice: copywriter wanted- must be good at fawning)



1) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen

2) Tour with or open for Madonna! --Fall06, Annandale, VA

x) More internet videos--hi & lo def, one for each of the new songs -- perhaps even with subtitles? They'd go viral! --______(any takers?)*

x) Be on SNL. Or Letterman. Or Ferguson, or even Kimmel, or O'Brian. Or Leno. Or any or all of 'em! (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreigners) --stinky53, Toad Suck Dam, AR*

x)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?)

x) Consider moving to L.A. for a year, like "Becks" and "Posh" did! Everybody knows them now. And everything they say, do, eat, etc.... --______(anyone?)*

x) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*


x) Dance a little more! Just a little? Look like you're having fun onstage! (this was the outcome of an earlier thread, last week was it? those names will get added here, but feel free to jump in if you remember who said what) (or, as above, post if you want to endorse this suggestion now)
*

x) Consider playing at this arena: (also from an earlier thread. also still "open" for your additional concert venue suggestions)*

x) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music. --______(anyone?)*


x) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)



x,y,z....)
Whatever else you all want to add.

I know there's still tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll keep trying to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so, too! :D

[user472884]

mon chaise de theatre, truthful but doesn't have that ring.

Yes, dancing would certainly vivify her image, but I believe I heard that now she has had some back problems and the last thing I want is for her to sacrifice her health for us. I'd rather her never sing again than hurt herself trying to perform for us.

[Chuck]

mon chaise de theatre, truthful but doesn't have that ring.


= His tub has a ring! :eek:

[Alex]

I see several people giving out ideas and suggestions towards the Alizée promotion here in the US, thats very good:); but we still lack in organization, and self determination to start out this project. These are my opinions in what should be some of the steps we should take first:

-suggestions, comments, ideas towards how/what we should do.
-create an AA Group dedicated to her promotion here in America
----( to lead and promote her in specific cities/towns; communicating on brainstorming and future projects, etc...)
-Create an Alizée America Logo; this so we could be known for future fans to join, and as part of being organized.
-conversate/post with AA members and administrators to find a way to get funding for materials towards her promotion.
-inform other sites(lillytownusa,alizee forum,alizee latino, alizee world..) about our plans in promoting, so they could also give out ideas suggestions and help us out.

-(many other ideas you may have:)...)
----------------------------------------------------------------
After some initiative has been taken, we can start taking in account the ideas members have cobtributed and work them out:)
Ideas like:
-calling college radio stations, and public radio stations
-sending letters
-----(radio/TV stations, magazines, musuc companies, managers, Alizee,etc..)
-making promo YouTube videis with mixed clips and audio with durations of 30-60sec. With different tags i.e: (America, politics,sports, france, Britney spears, singers, actors ,etc ...)
-ALizée America merchandise: ( T-shirts, stickers/bumper stickers, flyers, promo posters and more)
-setting these promotion material in strategic places( malls, plazas airports schools jobs, etc....)
And ALOT more Ideas....:)

We have to be positive and think positive, we have to five it a chance we have nothing to loose; but alot to GAIN:)! We cannot say its impossible because there is proof and results from our friends in Mexico, they gave the shot, and the result was; she went for her promo, Physc. Concerts, revieved awards and to the Aguascalientes show. I hope this thread does not die out or stops, but keeos on growing with ideas, and results:):cool:

-----sorry for any errors posted using ipod :)

[BlackAnthem]

Ok. I am really lazy and don't want to read the five pages of long drawn out conversations...Catch me up, anyone?
I see now we have an issue of deciding what to put in the letter?
I suppose that means we know where to send it?

Thanks

Whatever you put in the letter, wherever you send the letter...ADDRESS IT TO ALIZEE!!!

I see several people giving out ideas and suggestions towards the Alizée promotion here in the US, thats very good:); but we still lack in organization, and self determination to start out this project.

Ok...I've got a pen and paper...Shoot.

Oh, and Alizee on SNL...bad idea.

[Vorock]

mon chaise de theatre, truthful but doesn't have that ring.

Yes, dancing would certainly vivify her image, but I believe I heard that now she has had some back problems and the last thing I want is for her to sacrifice her health for us. I'd rather her never sing again than hurt herself trying to perform for us.

Yea, she has an arched back I believe. Poor woman. I agree with you, we want to have Alizée happy then anything else. I'm really not that good of a thinker to come up with something but I'll go with whatever you guys can come up with.

[Fall]

x)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?)

x) Consider moving to L.A. for a year, like "Becks" and "Posh" did! Everybody knows them now. And everything they say, do, eat, etc.... --______(anyone?)*

x) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*

x) Consider playing at this arena: (also from an earlier thread. also still "open" for your additional concert venue suggestions)*

x) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music. --______(anyone?)*


I like the first three ideas but obviously it wasnt me that came up with them.

for the university/arena thing, i got one but its sorta big. she obviosuly doesnt have to fill all the seats, but its a big school and i know any fan in Virginia would go (ME!:D and Vorock i believe) here check it out:

http://www.patriotcenter.com/about/

in case you're lazy and dont wanna click it:

"Located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University, the Patriot Center is a 10,000-seat arena that hosts Mason basketball games, concerts, family shows and commencement ceremonies. Bruce Springsteen, Keith Urban, Bob Dylan, Ricardo Arjona, Enrique Iglesias, the Harlem Globetrotters and Disney on Ice are only a few of the concerts and family shows that have performed at the arena over the past 24 years (And Fall06's graduation will be there June 2010!:D)."

I aint sayin she has to come here, but it would work if she was doing the university/arena thing and since NoVa has a notable amount of latinos maybe there are a few Mexican or other nationality fans here.

[user472884]

I don't agree with the "living in L.A." thing.

Has she ever lived in Mexico? and look how that's going.

[Fall]

x)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?)



forgot to add this to my last post but if i edited it nobody would see.

we should try to persuade her to make this site her official US site. But before we do, we have to ask Ben and everybody else (im new-ish idk :o) who runs this site cause we dont want to give them more to worry about. but if we get their blessing, we should ask her to give us the resources to promote her new album. I am not talking about cash so dont get me wrong. Im talking about giving us permission to distribute stuff we would get in trouble for selling or giving out today. All money would go to her or whatever they decide to do with it. Im not sure but I think we cant give out sample cds with full songs because of copyright or something? thats what i mean. and official posters, stickers, shirts, hats, MERCHANDISE! anything we've been trying to make ourselves. only this time it will be official stuff. Alizée and her team can only accomplish stuff with money, we can accomplish stuff with our devotion. It only makes sense that we join forces. :)

For example. Idk where to make stickers or posters to put up and they would not be good or appealing if i did:o. But today in school i saw a sticker for a (probably a local student one) band's website on a water fountain and it made me think of this. if somebody shipped me a bazillion stickers, i could put them up all around my school on water fountains and everything and since im joining the French club this year, im sure they wouldnt mind putting a small Lilly ad on their own fliers to invite kids to join the club. and that is totally school-legal but i aint sure about the water fountain one but i'd do it anyway :D

Questions, Comments, Concerns or Suggestions for the good of the Order/L'Ordre?

[Mon Maquis]

forgot to add this to my last post but if i edited it nobody would see.

we should try to persuade her to make this site her official US site. But before we do, we have to ask Ben and everybody else (im new-ish idk :o) who runs this site cause we dont want to give them more to worry about. but if we get their blessing, we should ask her to give us the resources to promote her new album. I am not talking about cash so dont get me wrong. Im talking about giving us permission to distribute stuff we would get in trouble for selling or giving out today. All money would go to her or whatever they decide to do with it. Im not sure but I think we cant give out sample cds with full songs because of copyright or something? thats what i mean. and official posters, stickers, shirts, hats, MERCHANDISE! anything we've been trying to make ourselves. only this time it will be official stuff. Alizée and her team can only accomplish stuff with money, we can accomplish stuff with our devotion. It only makes sense that we join forces. :)

For example. Idk where to make stickers or posters to put up and they would not be good or appealing if i did:o. But today in school i saw a sticker for a (probably a local student one) band's website on a water fountain and it made me think of this. if somebody shipped me a bazillion stickers, i could put them up all around my school on water fountains and everything and since im joining the French club this year, im sure they wouldnt mind putting a small Lilly ad on their own fliers to invite kids to join the club. and that is totally school-legal but i aint sure about the water fountain one but i'd do it anyway :D

Questions, Comments, Concerns or Suggestions for the good of the Order/L'Ordre?

Sounds like a good idea!!! Someone get this man some stickers!

[lefty12357]

You asked for feedback about the letter so here is mine. Believe me, I would love to see Alizée enter the US market, if it will be advantageous for her. The following I say with all due respect and sincerity. I don’t mean to offend or belittle. Like I said, I want you to have success with this and I believe my suggestions are worthy of consideration. Of course I realize the letter is a very rough draft, but I’m concerned about the direction it’s going.

The sample letter sounds a little naive and a bit on the humorous side to me. I just don’t think Alizée will take a letter like this seriously. First of all, it seems to assume that she wants to come here. I wouldn’t assume that at all. Secondly, the idea of living in L.A. for a year is a non-starter and will give Alizée the impression you have no clue about what makes her tick. Listing the names of venues for concerts is not much help either and does nothing to entice her to come here. Alizée is an intelligent woman who has a professional team who can put together such information. I don’t think you should waste precious space in this letter telling her things that will be obvious to her and her team. Also, the letter has an air about it that implies that she doesn’t know how to do her job. Don’t ask her to come here and in the same breath give her a list of things she should do.

My recommendation for a letter to Alizée is to speak directly to her heart. Appeal to her on that basis. I would approach it with the assumption that she isn’t very motivated to come here, (possibly a bit fearful) and it’s your job to influence her to have a change of heart about it.

Briefly tell why you like her and how much it would mean to you to have her come here.

Let her know you will do whatever you can to support her here. Briefly fill her in on what is currently being done to support her here. (If nothing is being done, this is all probably a waste of time)

Let her know her American fans not only love to hear her sing in French, but they prefer it. Tell her that the fans love all her previous work, but also love the work she did on Psychédélices and are looking forward to her new album. Assure her that American fans are not expecting her to come to the USA as the “Lolita in the sailor’s outfit”.

I think a letter that follows this kind of format will be much more appealing and seem more heartfelt. Convince her to come here, not with facts, figures, venues or instruction on how to perform, but by appealing to her heart. Remember, she has probably received many of these letters over the course of her career from many different countries. Think about how you will make yours stand out.

The biggest attraction for the Team Alizée business people is a show of numbers. A letter is not going to convince anybody of the viability of such a venture. We have to back the letter up with buzz, CD sales, media exposure and airplay. The letter may, however, let Alizée know that the American fans are sincere. It wouldn’t hurt if the fans could win her over on the idea of coming to the USA. Then she can deal with the business people. Remember, much of this stuff is up to them, not Alizée.

Sorry for the long post.

[Fall]

Sounds like a good idea!!! Someone get this man some stickers!

I'm up for the job! Lets do this thang! :D or were you being sarcastic? :(

You asked for feedback about the letter so here is mine. Believe me, I would love to see Alizée enter the US market, if it will be advantageous for her. The following I say with all due respect and sincerity. I don’t mean to offend or belittle. Like I said, I want you to have success with this and I believe my suggestions are worthy of consideration. Of course I realize the letter is a very rough draft, but I’m concerned about the direction it’s going.

The sample letter sounds a little naive and a bit on the humorous side to me. I just don’t think Alizée will take a letter like this seriously. First of all, it seems to assume that she wants to come here. I wouldn’t assume that at all. Secondly, the idea of living in L.A. for a year is a non-starter and will give Alizée the impression you have no clue about what makes her tick. Listing the names of venues for concerts is not much help either and does nothing to entice her to come here. Alizée is an intelligent woman who has a professional team who can put together such information. I don’t think you should waste precious space in this letter telling her things that will be obvious to her and her team. Also, the letter has an air about it that implies that she doesn’t know how to do her job. Don’t ask her to come here and in the same breath give her a list of things she should do.

My recommendation for a letter to Alizée is to speak directly to her heart. Appeal to her on that basis. I would approach it with the assumption that she isn’t very motivated to come here, (possibly a bit fearful) and it’s your job to influence her to have a change of heart about it.

Briefly tell why you like her and how much it would mean to you to have her come here.

Let her know you will do whatever you can to support her here. Briefly fill her in on what is currently being done to support her here. (If nothing is being done, this is all probably a waste of time)

Let her know her American fans not only love to hear her sing in French, but they prefer it. Tell her that the fans love all her previous work, but also love the work she did on Psychédélices and are looking forward to her new album. Assure her that American fans are not expecting her to come to the USA as the “Lolita in the sailor’s outfit”.

I think a letter that follows this kind of format will be much more appealing and seem more heartfelt. Convince her to come here, not with facts, figures, venues or instruction on how to perform, but by appealing to her heart. Remember, she has probably received many of these letters over the course of her career from many different countries. Think about how you will make yours stand out.

The biggest attraction for the Team Alizée business people is a show of numbers. A letter is not going to convince anybody of the viability of such a venture. We have to back the letter up with buzz, CD sales, media exposure and airplay. The letter may, however, let Alizée know that the American fans are sincere. It wouldn’t hurt if the fans could win her over on the idea of coming to the USA. Then she can deal with the business people. Remember, much of this stuff is up to them, not Alizée.

Sorry for the long post.

I think this is the best suggestion so far, so thank you Lefty. I'm sure she has gotten this type of thing before, so we should make ours stand out. There are several excellent points that Lefty made that we should put in the letter. They are pretty clear and all over the post so see if you can update and edit the letter Chuck. I put the most important ones in bold and what i think the most important one is in bold italics and underlined. If you dont have time to do it, ask me and i will. :)

ps Lefty i downloaded one of your 50/60 remixes and its awesome, thanks :)

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Sounds like a good idea!!! Someone get this man some stickers!

oooooooooh

http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bug_stickers.jpg

[edgar93]

Sounds like a good idea!!! Someone get this man some stickers!

hahaha :p:p

[Fall]

oooooooooh

http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bug_stickers.jpg

thanks ill see if that gets us any new visitors or members. lol only Jung. and maybe Barrett too.

[TheBarrett]

thanks ill see if that gets us any new visitors or members. lol only Jung. and maybe Barrett too.

Why is my name mentioned here again? Lol.

[Fall]

Why is my name mentioned here again? Lol.

cause you're one of the funniest guys around and funny guys joke around :) besides, if Jung hadnt put that pic on there i bet you would have done that or something similar lol but ill take it out if you want. or use your cybermagical powers to edit it yourself lol

[user472884]

Why is my name mentioned here again? Lol.

you're just one special guy ;)

[Ben]

We have to back the letter up with buzz, CD sales, media exposure and airplay.

if we get their blessing, we should ask her to give us the resources to promote her new album.

These two ideas go hand-in-hand. Between Lefty's and Fall's posts, all my thoughts have been covered. And absolutely I'm open to any official support!

[noAlizee4u]

sorry but american fans make me laugh!!!!! u guys r so sad!!!

ive been lurking here along time and its ALWAYS the SAME thing big dreams but no follow throu!!!! u all talk about how u want her here and how u need to get organized "WE NEED TO DO PROMOTION AND MAKE HER BETTER KNOWN IN THE USA AND THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD DO IT!!!!" "YAH MAN WE SHOULD DO THAT!!!!"

and then nobody does SHIT!!!!!!!!!! all TALK no ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mexican fans worked HARD for YEARS to make her known there on there OWN with nothing "official"

they didnt wait arund forever 4 record company to come to them and say "DO THIS!!!" or give them things to promote with

they did it ON THERE OWN from NOTHING!!!!!!

everyone call mexicans lazy but i have way more respect 4 them than american fans

american fans are LAZIEST

DO U UNDERSTAND ME MEXICAN FANS MAKE U LOOK BAD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hell half of u cant agree on which Alizee u want anyway still so much "OLD" ALizee on here in vids and sigs and avatars hardly any "NEW" its crap

"OLD" Alizee is GONE!!! "LOLITA" is GONE!!! if u cant except "NEW" Alizee then u should GET THE "F" OUT!!!!!!!!! cuz ur not really a fan anymore

this is why nobody takes u guys seriosly and why she will nevar come here caus u guys dont deserve her

u should just stop this thread now and just exept it ur just embarasing urselfs

so many people lauging at u right now over this thread

sorry but american fans r crap its true and deep down u all kno it

it used 2 make me sad cuz it means she wont ever come her but now i just laugh

PS sorry if i offended u but what can i say sometimes the truth HURTS lol

PS2 sorry 4 all the speling mistakes i don't speak english very good

[Ben]

noAlizee4u, I'm half tempted to remove your post because it (and your name) are pretty trolling. Regardless of any situation, going up to a group of people and telling them they suck isn't a good way to get a point across.

But I'm gonna leave it because, well, you do have a point. We need to get off our asses, stop talking, and do stuff! I've told this story before, but the support I got after printing up hundreds of fliers, cards, sample CDs, and t-shirts for promotion around NYC last year was pretty underwhelming.

However that said, I think it's important to acknowledge that we are in a different situation than Mexico. Not that we can't replicate similar success, but they had things like easier copyright laws in their favor. Here we can't get music played on major radio without official support. Yes, the Mexican fans are fantastic and did an amazing job, and yes in comparison we're lacking, but it's not fair to call us lazy based just on that. The US is a very different place.

But all that means is... we have to work a little differently. On my end, there's potentially something big coming that I wish I could talk about, but it's still too early and uncertain. I'm going to Paris next week, and will hopefully be able to say more after that. Stay tuned!

Edit: I also agree that it's time to move on from "old" Alizée, and am sure she does as well!

[Forrplay]

sorry but american fans make me laugh!!!!! u guys r so sad!!!

ive been lurking here along time and its ALWAYS the SAME thing big dreams but no follow throu!!!! u all talk about how u want her here and how u need to get organized "WE NEED TO DO PROMOTION AND MAKE HER BETTER KNOWN IN THE USA AND THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD DO IT!!!!" "YAH MAN WE SHOULD DO THAT!!!!"

and then nobody does SHIT!!!!!!!!!! all TALK no ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mexican fans worked HARD for YEARS to make her known there on there OWN with nothing "official"

they didnt wait arund forever 4 record company to come to them and say "DO THIS!!!" or give them things to promote with

they did it ON THERE OWN from NOTHING!!!!!!

everyone call mexicans lazy but i have way more respect 4 them than american fans

american fans are LAZIEST

DO U UNDERSTAND ME MEXICAN FANS MAKE U LOOK BAD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hell half of u cant agree on which Alizee u want anyway still so much "OLD" ALizee on here in vids and sigs and avatars hardly any "NEW" its crap

"OLD" Alizee is GONE!!! "LOLITA" is GONE!!! if u cant except "NEW" Alizee then u should GET THE "F" OUT!!!!!!!!! cuz ur not really a fan anymore

this is why nobody takes u guys seriosly and why she will nevar come here caus u guys dont deserve her

u should just stop this thread now and just exept it ur just embarasing urselfs

so many people lauging at u right now over this thread

sorry but american fans r crap its true and deep down u all kno it

it used 2 make me sad cuz it means she wont ever come her but now i just laugh

PS sorry if i offended u but what can i say sometimes the truth HURTS lol

PS2 sorry 4 all the speling mistakes i don't speak english very good

That's because us here in America have daily jobs to do and actually have lives, it's easy to make a bunch of promotional shit when all you do is sit at home all day

noAlizee4u, I'm half tempted to remove your post because it (and your name) are pretty trolling. Regardless of any situation, going up to a group of people and telling them they suck isn't a good way to get a point across.

But I'm gonna leave it because, well, you do have a point. We need to get off our asses, stop talking, and do stuff! I've told this story before, but the support I got after printing up hundreds of fliers, cards, sample CDs, and t-shirts for promotion around NYC last year was pretty underwhelming.

However that said, I think it's important to acknowledge that we are in a different situation than Mexico. Not that we can't replicate similar success, but they had things like easier copyright laws in their favor. Here we can't get music played on major radio without official support. Yes, the Mexican fans are fantastic and did an amazing job, and yes in comparison we're lacking, but it's not fair to call us lazy based just on that. The US is a very different place.

But all that means is... we have to work a little differently. On my end, there's potentially something big coming that I wish I could talk about, but it's still too early and uncertain. I'm going to Paris next week, and will hopefully be able to say more after that. Stay tuned!

Edit: I also agree that it's time to move on from "old" Alizée, and am sure she does as well!

I vote give him the boot

[wasabi622]

as much as douche noAlizee4u is, i freaking hate to admit it, but he has one point people!

it seems like we do indeed do more talking than actually doing something!
i myself am guilty of it, i won't lie. :(

examples being:
t-shirt/logo! we've talked and talked about it, and we're close to getting it finalized(i hope! :D) but we're not quite there yet.
chuck's letter idea is great! and we're all contributing to it, but it'll be nothing we if don't carry it out!

but at the same time, we have done stuff too!
i know that many of you have flooded your local radio stations and such with requests for Alizee music and such.

but honestly, fuck off dude. no one gives a shit about what you think. what the hell have YOU done? who the hell are you to tell us whether or not we "deserve" Alizee? Besides, aren't you guys the crazy fuckers who kill each other over soccer matches?
so sorry if we aren't that insane.

[Chuck]

Trine t be quick here...
Hey Wasabi, thx agn!

Forrplay, I'm not thrilled with what you said.

You're right, Ben, NoAlizee4U should be allowed to stay. There are a lot of viewpoints expressed in this forum that I agree with, also a lot that I disagree with. Same applies here.

I especially liked this part:
hell half of u cant agree on which Alizee u want anyway still so much "OLD" ALizee on here in vids and sigs and avatars hardly any "NEW" its crap

"OLD" Alizee is GONE!!! "LOLITA" is GONE!!! if u cant except "NEW" Alizee then u should GET THE "F" OUT!!!!!!!!! cuz ur not really a fan anymore


Think about it, if you haven't before, folks. NoAlizee4U is absolutely right there.

The problem being, then, the scarcity of "new" alizee material.

But that should be changing soon, too.

I been busy answerin letters with french people and german people lately. Plus I had to do some work. back soon, tho.

[Alex]

sorry but american fans make me laugh!!!!! u guys r so sad!!!

ive been lurking here along time and its ALWAYS the SAME thing big dreams but no follow throu!!!! u all talk about how u want her here and how u need to get organized "WE NEED TO DO PROMOTION AND MAKE HER BETTER KNOWN IN THE USA AND THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD DO IT!!!!" "YAH MAN WE SHOULD DO THAT!!!!"

and then nobody does SHIT!!!!!!!!!! all TALK no ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mexican fans worked HARD for YEARS to make her known there on there OWN with nothing "official"

they didnt wait arund forever 4 record company to come to them and say "DO THIS!!!" or give them things to promote with

they did it ON THERE OWN from NOTHING!!!!!!

everyone call mexicans lazy but i have way more respect 4 them than american fans

american fans are LAZIEST

DO U UNDERSTAND ME MEXICAN FANS MAKE U LOOK BAD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hell half of u cant agree on which Alizee u want anyway still so much "OLD" ALizee on here in vids and sigs and avatars hardly any "NEW" its crap

"OLD" Alizee is GONE!!! "LOLITA" is GONE!!! if u cant except "NEW" Alizee then u should GET THE "F" OUT!!!!!!!!! cuz ur not really a fan anymore

this is why nobody takes u guys seriosly and why she will nevar come here caus u guys dont deserve her

u should just stop this thread now and just exept it ur just embarasing urselfs

so many people lauging at u right now over this thread

sorry but american fans r crap its true and deep down u all kno it

it used 2 make me sad cuz it means she wont ever come her but now i just laugh

PS sorry if i offended u but what can i say sometimes the truth HURTS lol

PS2 sorry 4 all the speling mistakes i don't speak english very good

WOW!:blink::eek::mad: Well,well... I must agree with Ben and Chuck you do have some true points in your post; however it is not the propper and correct vocabulary and remarks to show your opinion and concerns. I think you dissrepected this forum, but this does not show in any way your support to Alizee and its community. Im guessing your Mexican; right?? Im just going to say this: "Nada mas bajale de huevos carnal, que esta no es la manera correcta de expresarte de nuestras ideas y opiniones. Creo que la base de fans Mexicana no estaria muy contenta con tu comentario hacia este grupo de fans Americanos. Creo q todos nos merecemos algo de respeto, y tu mi buen te pasaste; aunque tengas la razon no es la manera. Ojala recapasites y veas lo que cometiste y seas mas respetuoso hacia esta base de fans de Alizee."
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I think we cannot forget the Lolita image or any image from Alizee, for the reason she is Alizee, they are just eras that she went through, but overall its her material, her music, and her appearances that make up Alizee, she often changes, but it doesn't mean we have to let go and forget about it. They're memories that we need to cherish. And if we cannot get "used to" the new image(s) it doesn't mean we need to "F**K off", its just our point of view of the current image, but overall its the same girl;..Alizee.

Now like Wasabi said who the hell does noAlizee4u think he is to tell us that we don't deserve Alizee?! I think its the other way around; I think YOU noAlizee4u doesn't deserve to be a fan of Alizee. I think just by looking at your name clearly states your postion towards this forum and its members. So if your position and goal is to make fun at us, or throw us sh*t, I suggest YOU F**k off for the good of all of us, you decide man.

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I just hope this makes us MORE enouraged to follow our plans in promoting Alizee in AMERICA and continue with the help and ideas of all of us and Chuck's open letter(s) to Alizee.:):cool:
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Besides, aren't you guys the crazy fuckers who kill each other over soccer matches?WASABI
Dude:D I think those are the Argentinian's and the Italian's that kill each other in the soccer matches:D:p

[edgar93]

That's because us here in America have daily jobs to do and actually have lives, it's easy to make a bunch of promotional shit when all you do is sit at home all day


What did you just call us? You really think Mexicans sit at home all day?

I'm not gonna be an ass about this, and will give you a pass just because I don't want to go offtopic and because you are new here. You better watch what you say next time, because there are quite a few Mexican guys here.

And Wasabi, I am one of those "crazy fuckers" that kill over soccer matches.

for *******'s sake.

[Alex]

jajaja calamdo Edgar, chales bajale; I think Forrplay didn't meant it that way; I think it was all a fast angry reaction towards "noAlizee4u's" comments. And no Mexicans do not sit aroud all day at home; they are hard working people they also have a life, just if anybody wondered about that:)

[user472884]

I thought it was "corsicancutie" again....

I've been emailing as well as physically mailing radio stations and any influential organization that plays music and providing them with many examples of her work and asking them to give her a try.

It's a plain fact, there aren't as many American fans as there are Mexican or European ones.

Ben, I'd delete it and all the posts referring to it. It's just negativeness against our efforts.

[TheBarrett]

I don't think noAlizee4u is wrong. :p
Personally he has a point to make, and his points are indeed right.
There has been little action, the little action that has actually taken place was a while back, and the same/similar discussion has been discussed.

No I don't think i'm that big of a fan of New Alizée, or where Alizée may be going in her "influences", what I can still offer is another member's insight on what to get done.

I'm no American but take into account that the putrid English that NoAlizee4U has used is a perfect way to get you all fired up AND do something. Think of it as a catalyst, and don't be discouraged, don't insult him/her, don't do anything.
Even if nothing is done, ask yourselves, do you feel happy just talking about it? Do you feel as if you're part of something? Does this...enlighten you?
If so then it should be discussed further no matter what the outcome.

No Publicity is the only bad publicity. :p
Mexicans, i've seen and observed, put great passion into what they like or do.
A lot of the "California Mexicans" sort of break that, as i've observed.
That is not what represents Mexico and its people however. Mexico has a rich history, beautiful landscape, excellent food and people, who put heart and soul into what they do.
Promoting Alizée is just one of many things.

My hands are off the boat rail, come on new guys, you've got just as much passion as the last guy before you, so do what you want to do if you want to do it. ;)

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

not to be an ass but the passion works both ways too I do remember Mexicans burning Alizée posters in the streets cause she was scared and ran from them ;)

Mexicans are just as bad about liking the old Alizée over the new one it's not only about avatars and signatures think about the concerts last year... did any sell out? they certainly weren't that big of venues

some of the people who have done the most promotion wise are the ones with the least credit and the ones who are taken least seriously by most fans

[Fall]

Ben, I'd delete it and all the posts referring to it. It's just negativeness against our efforts.

I don't think noAlizee4u is wrong. :p
Personally he has a point to make, and his points are indeed right.
There has been little action, the little action that has actually taken place was a while back, and the same/similar discussion has been discussed.

No I don't think i'm that big of a fan of New Alizée, or where Alizée may be going in her "influences", what I can still offer is another member's insight on what to get done.

I'm no American but take into account that the putrid English that NoAlizee4U has used is a perfect way to get you all fired up AND do something. Think of it as a catalyst, and don't be discouraged, don't insult him/her, don't do anything.
Even if nothing is done, ask yourselves, do you feel happy just talking about it? Do you feel as if you're part of something? Does this...enlighten you?
If so then it should be discussed further no matter what the outcome.

No Publicity is the only bad publicity. :p
Mexicans, i've seen and observed, put great passion into what they like or do.
A lot of the "California Mexicans" sort of break that, as i've observed.
That is not what represents Mexico and its people however. Mexico has a rich history, beautiful landscape, excellent food and people, who put heart and soul into what they do.
Promoting Alizée is just one of many things.

My hands are off the boat rail, come on new guys, you've got just as much passion as the last guy before you, so do what you want to do if you want to do it. ;)

As always, Jalen and Barrett are right. Mine are are gone and ill go back to my suggestions. I'm still up for the stickers thing so if anybody has any, i'd like a couple dozen small ones (*) if you dont mind and ill put them around my school. If there's anything left of my brain after homework :( , ill get to thinking about more ideas ok? :)

* (i want to attract the students attentions not teachers and administrators attentions cause then Fall06 will be no more lol)

[Junkmale]

I think that what nobody has mentioned ...and i know it has been discussed at length before..but what does Alizee want?
We don't know? We can only judge her by her own actions.
Does she want to be a megastar in the US? Somehow, i don't think so?
If that's the case (and i'm yet to be convinced that it isn't) then it really dosen't matter how much she's promoted or what we do.
Hell, i wish she was playing at the King's hall in Belfast tommorow, but it's not going to happen. You just have to accept the inevitable sometimes.
Off course, i could be wrong:)

[Fall]

I think that what nobody has mentioned ...and i know it has been discussed at length before..but what does Alizee want?
We don't know? We can only judge her by her own actions.
Does she want to be a megastar in the US? Somehow, i don't think so?
If that's the case (and i'm yet to be convinced that it isn't) then it really dosen't matter how much she's promoted or what we do.
Hell, i wish she was playing at the King's hall in Belfast tommorow, but it's not going to happen. You just have to accept the inevitable sometimes.
Off course, i could be wrong:)

the "could" is what keeps me going :)

[Alex]

I think that what nobody has mentioned ...and i know it has been discussed at length before..but what does Alizee want?
We don't know? We can only judge her by her own actions.
Does she want to be a megastar in the US? Somehow, i don't think so?
If that's the case (and i'm yet to be convinced that it isn't) then it really dosen't matter how much she's promoted or what we do.
Hell, i wish she was playing at the King's hall in Belfast tommorow, but it's not going to happen. You just have to accept the inevitable sometimes.
Off course, i could be wrong:)

It has been mentioned before:rolleyes:, and it has been said that in an interview someone asked her if she was interested in conquering the US; I think she said she wasn't interested or has it planned out. I have thought about this to; and thought of this, I am about 100% sure she never planned out to be a mega pop star in Mexico one day; and now look at her and her Mexican fans, she has gone to Mexico various of times now. So why not give the shot of promoting her and if it works out and she's interested she could come and visit us:) Like I said in a previous post we have nothing to loose, but alot to gain. I know if she gets to come she is not going to become a Super MegaPOP Star, but who knows her visiting us anything could happen:)

[user472884]

As always, Jalen and Barrett are right.

sweeeeeet :cool:

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I'd wear a sticker on my forehead

[wasabi622]

WASABI
Dude:D I think those are the Argentinian's and the Italian's that kill each other in the soccer matches:D:p

oh.. well my bad. i was just trying to hit back with some other negative stereotype.



And Wasabi, I am one of those "crazy fuckers" that kill over soccer matches.



my bad edgar! sorry about that. it was the only sterotype that came to mind that could be applied. :(

[TheBarrett]

oh.. well my bad. i was just trying to hit back with some other negative stereotype.



my bad edgar! sorry about that. it was the only sterotype that came to mind that could be applied. :(

Hitting back with similar methods is so unprofessional. :p

[edgar93]

Don't worry Wasabi, it's all good ;).

We all should apologize to Chuck for spoiling his thread :o

[wasabi622]

Hitting back with similar methods is so unprofessional. :p

true, but it would work oh so well! :p

Don't worry Wasabi, it's all good ;).

We all should apologize to Chuck for spoiling his thread :o

thanks. :D

but yea, i like Chuck's idea, so lets all try to get back on topic?

[Chuck]

Don't worry Wasabi, it's all good ;).

We all should apologize to Chuck for spoiling his thread :o

Hey, don't apologize to me! I started this "controversial" thread. (An' I'm a gonna finish it..)

Rather, I want to apologize to you, Edgar, and Jalen and Alex, and good ol' Jess, and anybody else here of Latino descent that may have had to read that trash. I wish I could say that I've never been bigoted or prejudiced, but I hope I've gotten a lot better. (and then I went and insulted HRO87 a few days back, a sweet German girl.)

Besides preaching the religion of Alizéeism, this forum provides us all with opportunities to learn about one another, and to respect one another's views and values. And sometimes we learn the most when we make a mistake.


Maybe Forrplay is still smarting. He's new, and apparently hasn't posted another thing since then. Hopefully, he's smartening up a bit, too, and working on a very good apology letter of his own.



Ahem.
Getting BACK ON TOPIC (as some have suggested):
I'm re-updating the whole letter again (last vers was post #44 here), I'll have it up here soon. But I just wanted to stop by, say hi.

And adios, muchachos, vayo con queso.

[wasabi622]

Hey, don't apologize to me! I started this "controversial" thread. (An' I'm a gonna finish it..)



And adios, muchachos, vayo con queso.


hey.. there's nothing controversial about your idea whatsoever!
it's a good one. (as long as we carry we out!) :p


aannnddd.. "good bye people, i'm going with cheese"? :blink:

[Chuck]

To all concerned, I was about to post an update of the "Letter", but I wanted to shout out to a few of you first. Then it was getting way too long (like last time, post #44), so now I'm just posting these notes first. The update coming shortly. Somebody else, please say something after this, so it doesn't "automerge" and get into a big long snarl .


NOTES:

Wasabi, hey, this is Wisconsin up here. Cheese goes with everything. :rolleyes:

LEFTY, this isn't REALLY a letter asking Alizée to come to America. She's done that--numerous times! No,the intent of this letter would just be to provide tips on how to reach American audiophiles and sell records here. And yes, the best way to do that is for her to come and perform. But any other ideas you've got for Lilly (that would or wouldn't involve her traveling) are still exceedingly welcome.

Also to LEFTY and anyone else concerned about the "naive" or "humorous" nature so far, again note below where it says "Copywriter wanted". If you or anyone wants to jump in and write, the whole first two paragraphs are up for grabs! (okay, the whole thing is) Otherwise, lacking that, I'll write the beginning, and post for comments. But I can't guarantee that it would be totally serious, if left to me.

--Anyway, I think even Gods & Goddesses have senses of humor. Even the singing ones.

Junkmale (hi Belfast, greetings!) you wondered whether Alizée wanted to be a US megastar. I'm only trying to help her sell records and turn on SOME Americans, not everybody. Does she want to sell records? Probably. See post #1 of this thread.


AND TO ANYONE ELSE STILL SQUEAMISH ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA:

Jeez, Louise, you guys! It's only a letter! Who doesn't like to get letters? :confused:

[wasabi622]

hahaha, ok good. :D i was confused at first!

[Chuck]

hey, thanks man.


ONE MORE NOTE: I TOOK OUT A COUPLE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT PEOPLE OBJECTED TO.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR EVEN MORE IDEAS, suggestions, and/or comments.


*ENTRIES WITH ASTERISKS* below are totally up for grabs. To be added, changed, deleted, overdiscussed, and/or adopted by you. Suggestions still in no particular order.




Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


We all (blahblahblah) adore you (blahblahblah) and (AlizeeAmerica.com) (blahblahblah)...

And we want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and take your rightful place as queen of the world: (notice: copywriter wanted- must be good at fawning)



1) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, son bain de mousse

2) Tour with or open for Madonna! --Fall06, Annandale, VA

x) More internet videos--hi & lo def, one for each of the new songs -- perhaps even with subtitles? They'd go viral! --______(any takers?)*

x) Be on Letterman. Or Ferguson, or even Kimmel, or O'Brian. Or Leno. Or any or all of 'em! (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreigners) --BlackAnthem (+ any other endorsers)*

x)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?) Seconded by Fall06, MonMaquis, (+ any other endorsers?)*

x) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*

x) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps the fabulous Patriot Center, located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University! --Fall06, Annandale, VA (+ any other endorsers?)*



x) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)



x,y,z....)
Whatever else you folks all want to add.

I know there's still tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll keep trying to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so, too! :D

[lefty12357]

Chuck, if you go with a letter of this style, I would only suggest that maybe you put more emphasis on what you said in your previous post - that regardless of whether Alizée can make it to the USA to perform or not, our goal is to help her sell more CDs and win over more fans here. Other than that I have no other suggestions.

Actually, this is what I had always hoped we could accomplish as American fans - to make a measurable and hopefully significant contribution to her CD sales.
Of course I think we all would like to see her perform here if she would or could. :)

[Chuck]

Gotcha, great. But keep on commenting or adding, I like the way you think and the things you've already added.

RU rilly lefthanded? I am.

And your new QB sucks, btw. :D

[wasabi622]

im all for the University idea!!! I think Jay-Z is performing here, and T.I or someone else performed here last year as well, and it be amazing if Alizee came here!! Then i can show my french class and my buddies as to why i'm so crazy about her! :D

[edgar93]

You know chuck, if we get to make a a pretty decent letter, maybe we can tweet about it like we did with the "give us the tools" blog entry of Alizee Nation. Maybe the letter can be directed to Jive Epic too, they might want to get some ideas.

Or KI M'AIME ME SUIVE? Are they still working with Alizée?

[wasabi622]

hey chuck, here's a bit of a risky idea.

do you think itd be possible for some of us to sign it?

like, you can send it off to someone else, and they send it off to someone else and so on until we all(those of us who wanted to anyways) sign it, and then the last person can send it to Alizee?

BUT. it is a terrible risk. i mean, just one person messes up, and it's all over.
then again, it'll have a nice impact if she sees all of our signatures.


i dunno. its your call, and my half ass idea. :p

[TheBarrett]

hey chuck, here's a bit of a risky idea.

do you think itd be possible for some of us to sign it?

like, you can send it off to someone else, and they send it off to someone else and so on until we all(those of us who wanted to anyways) sign it, and then the last person can send it to Alizee?

BUT. it is a terrible risk. i mean, just one person messes up, and it's all over.
then again, it'll have a nice impact if she sees all of our signatures.


i dunno. its your call, and my half ass idea. :p

You could just e-sign it. :p

[wasabi622]

You could just e-sign it. :p

well, i was aiming for a more personal touch by actually having the members sign it personally.

tis more intimate! :D

[TheBarrett]

well, i was aiming for a more personal touch by actually having the members sign it personally.

tis more intimate! :D

Or you could just send Chuck your signatures and he can like, staple it on the letter and crud. :p

(As you notice I like coming up with idiotic welfare methods for the lulz)

[Fall]

hey, i like it. im in if we do the signing thingie. :)

[wasabi622]

Or you could just send Chuck your signatures and he can like, staple it on the letter and crud. :p

(As you notice I like coming up with idiotic welfare methods for the lulz)

hahahaa, don't worry about it.

this idea is half baked, and require the utmost dedication from the people involved.

and, of course, chuck's trust in us to carry it out successfully!

[Chuck]

Or you could just send Chuck your signatures and he can like, staple it on the letter and crud. :p

(As you notice I like coming up with idiotic welfare methods for the lulz)

Yeah! Both you guys, I like it!

I'm leery of actually mailing a physical document from person to person to person. Just mailing something once is risky, multiply that, and add in one or two people that "don't get around to it for a couple days", pretty soon we're down to nothing.


By sending me sig's, I think Barrett means:
sign a piece of paper, then scan it, then e-mail me the scan.
or draw your sig on the computer, then e-mail me that.
..(or he meant one or the other of those two)

Either option is ok by me, but personally, I'd rather your sigs NOT be the same as your online sigs. (Any objections to that?)

It's also on my profile, but here's my e-mail: bongovideo@tds.net **


Just e-send some sort of graphic, and I'll gladly do my best to incorporate it! (Probably without staples, too. Paste?)

Oh, btw,
I'M ABOUT TO SET A DEADLINE FOR THIS PROJECT. End of the month? Sooner? Feedback, anyone?

So keep those ideas flowing! I had a couple more new ideas I'll post later.


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** ((Bongo Video == the First Video Store In Wisconsin With Alizée-En Concert For Rent!!)) :o

[wasabi622]

Yeah! Both you guys, I like it!

I'm leery of actually mailing a physical document from person to person to person. Just mailing something once is risky, multiply that, and add in one or two people that "don't get around to it for a couple days", pretty soon we're down to nothing.


By sending me sig's, I think Barrett means:
sign a piece of paper, then scan it, then e-mail me the scan.
or draw your sig on the computer, then e-mail me that.
..(or he meant one or the other of those two)

Either option is ok by me, but personally, I'd rather your sigs NOT be the same as your online sigs. (Any objections to that?)

It's also on my profile, but here's my e-mail: bongovideo@tds.net **


Just e-send some sort of graphic, and I'll gladly do my best to incorporate it! (Probably without staples, too. Paste?)

Oh, btw,
I'M ABOUT TO SET A DEADLINE FOR THIS PROJECT. End of the month? Sooner? Feedback, anyone?

So keep those ideas flowing! I had a couple more new ideas I'll post later.


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** ((Bongo Video == the First Video Store In Wisconsin With Alizée-En Concert For Rent!!)) :o


yeah, i figured it be a bit of a risk to send it person to person.

so i'll just send you my signature! though, im referring to my actual signature, not my one here on the forum. :D

and the deadline idea is a great one! that way, we have a date to work towards, and a date to get our stuff in order.

[user472884]

that would be so freakin' cool to have a letter be signed by people around the country.......

but yea that's impossible unless everybody here met in one place and signed the letter at one time.

I can't figure out my freaking printerscannercrap, so I'll have to dust off my pen tablet. I'll get that to you tomorrow.

[Chuck]

Lather, Rinse, Repeat...



sign a piece of paper, then scan it, then e-mail me the scan.
or draw your sig on the computer, then e-mail me that.

Either option is ok by me, but personally, I'd rather your sigs NOT be the same as your online sigs. (Any objections to that?)

It's also on my profile, but here's my e-mail: bongovideo@tds.net **

Just e-send some sort of graphic, and I'll gladly do my best to incorporate it! (Probably without staples, too. Paste?)

Oh, btw,
I'M ABOUT TO SET A DEADLINE FOR THIS PROJECT. End of the month? Sooner? Feedback, anyone?

So keep those ideas flowing!:o

While I'm at it, I want to throw a new "suggestion" out there, to possibly be added to the letter/list:

(I'm not saying I want this, I'm only saying it would help CD sales)
What if she just did her entire albums, as she likes (mostly or all in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of Americans, once interested in Alizee, would want to buy discs in English and French! Maybe that would be the same for England, Canada, Mexico, S.A., too?


Comments? Anyone seconding that motion? :o

[Alex]

I am really excited that we are making this planned project a soon reality. By Chuck introducing this new idea and especially setting up a deadline for this project; it means we are serious and take another step and shot in communicating and proting Alizee in America.
I also like the signature idea:); although I suggest a reminder or "memo" be posted so all members possible may know and be part of this( the more sign. The better!)
Other two suggestions:)
-if we have the AA logo done before the letter sent out; we could print it in the corner of the envelope, to make it more presentable and outstanding.
-Also if you guys agree to it why not send some Alizee America stadistics such as; showing how many total members we are, the amount of fans that sign up weekly( even unactive members; although they are inactive they're also fans), and if possible contact lillutown usa to add their American members also. The idea of this is to show more and more Americans are fiscoverong and becoming a fan of Alizée.
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I think its a good idea for her to sing in English, Spanish, and French( if she feels comfortable); this would make her more well known for English and Spanish speakers. It could work out really well if its done correctly; if the music is catchy, and well translated.----other than that I have no other suggestions for the moment; like Chuck said keep on on posting suggestions, comments and ideas!

Message posted using ipod(forgive any errors:) )

[Deepwaters]

OK, I'm late to plunge in here but hopefully not too late. ;)

Ben is, I believe, half right. It's not possible for Alizée or her team to break into the U.S. market alone, there are things we need to do as well. But I also believe that she has not, in the past, tried, and if she doesn't try, then nothing we do will make any differnce. It's got to be a joint effort. So I'm going to start it this way.

1) Alizée, do you WANT to sell albums in America, and to perform in America? It would mean you would have to give up being anonymous when you visit this country. You could no longer go to New York or other parts of the U.S. and have no one (or almost no one) recognize you. You would have to be conscious of the public here as you are in France or Mexico. The commercial potential is of course huge. Is that worth it to you? If not, well, I guess we will simply have to accept that.

2) Don't be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a mega-popstar-hit, but to reach a reasonable target audience.

3) The suggestions about venues for performance are good ones, but it seems to me the first thing is to make your music conveniently available in this country. It's often a challenge to buy your albums for Americans. Make that easier. Also, there has I believe been zero marketing effort in the past here. These two go together. It says to me that you (or your team, or your record company) don't expect to succeed here, or perhaps don't want to.

4) If you do perform in America on one of the shows, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. Your lyrics are often poetic and powerful. Unfortunately, that part is going to be lost, until people are moved by you enough to learn French. But much of your music can be appreciated without knowing what the lyrics mean, and your performances -- when you're at your best -- are very engaging. That's what you'll have to depend on.

Despite this, I would recommend singing in French. You are at your best when you do.

5) When you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love.

And that's about it, except that if you do this, do it because it's what you want. I once told someone who asked that I wanted for you to be happy and as successful as you want to be. Success has a price, as you know, and it's always a trade-off. If you do want to break into the U.S. market, we'll all help in any way we can. But if not, we'll survive, and still be able to hear your music and see you perform, wherever you go.

[Chuck]

Wow, Deepwaters. Great stuff. And touching, too, like Lefty said he was looking for in this letter. We'll gladly work your suggestion in here.

E-mail me a signature, if you like! (see above)...

And if you want to write some of the "blah, blah, blah" parts for us, consider yourself formally invited!!

[lefty12357]

Lather, Rinse, Repeat...


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While I'm at it, I want to throw a new "suggestion" out there, to possibly be added to the letter/list:

(I'm not saying I want this, I'm only saying it would help CD sales)
What if she just did her entire albums, as she likes (mostly or all in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of Americans, once interested in Alizee, would want to buy discs in English and French! Maybe that would be the same for England, Canada, Mexico, S.A., too?


Comments? Anyone seconding that motion? :o

I think it's OK for you to suggest anything, but Alizée has made it abundantly clear she prefers to sing in French. Rewriting the lyrics to all her new songs in just one other language will be a pretty big task, and we have seen in the past it will probably have mixed results at best. Some people laughed at her English songs from the MCE era. But just re-recording every song in multiple languages is costly and time consuming.

So like I said, you certainly can suggest it, but I don't think there's much of a chance that it will happen - especially this late in the game.

And for a person watching from a distance (like all of us here), Deepwaters probably understands Alizée as well as anyone. Take his post to heart.

[Jess]

Well I think Deep is half right, I'm sorry Deep but that's a bit cold and discouraging I think. Anyways here's a rough draft I just typed after reading Deeps, I think it needs a little more work, but I felt the urge to post something for now. Our message needs to positive and encouraging, we're fans not music producers:

1) Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

2) Do not be discouraged by all the hip hop music you hear coming from the USA, we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French !!

3) Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our demands be heard.

4) We love you Alizée and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA.

5) We have many suggestions: (suggestions go here)

6) There are many different tv shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but we would prefer not to be in ignorance from what you want.

Love Alizée Fans (USA)

[lefty12357]

Jess, I will say that I believe Deep captured much of what Alizée probably thinks and is not far off the mark.

But I also agree with you as far as to the actual composition of the letter; it should be positive and encouraging. In that regard, I think your letter really does the job well. As a matter of fact, I think it's the best one so far.

[Jess]

Alizée

Ich denke dein, wenn mir der Sonne schimmer vom Meere strahlt;
Ich denke dein, wenn sich des Mondes flimmer In quellen malt.

Ich sehe dich, wenn auf dem fernen Wege der staub sich hebt,
In tiefer Nacht, wenn auf dem schmalen stege der wandrer bebt.

Ich höre dich, wenn dort mit dumpfem rauschen die Welle steigt.
Im stillen Haine geh' ich oft zu lauschen, wenn alles schweigt.

Ich bin bei dir, du seist auch noch so ferne, du bist mir nah!
Die Sonne sinkt, bald leuchten mir die sterne. O wärst du da !!

~•~

I think of thee when golden sunbeams glimmer across the sea;
And when the waves reflect the moon's pale shimmer I think of thee.

I see thy form when down the distant highway the dust clouds rise;
In darkest night, above the mountain by way I see thine eyes.

I hear thee when the ocean tides returning aloud rejoice;
And on the lonely moor in silence yearning I hear thy voice.

I dwell with thee; though thou art far removed, yet thou art near.
The sun goes down, the stars shine out. Beloved If thou wert here !!

•

[Ben]

Ben is, I believe, half right. It's not possible for Alizée or her team to break into the U.S. market alone, there are things we need to do as well. But I also believe that she has not, in the past, tried, and if she doesn't try, then nothing we do will make any difference. It's got to be a joint effort.
To clarify, I believe that too. I just think it's up to us to make the first move kick-starting the joint effort, like they did in Mexico (where she has certainly put in subsequent effort). We've wondered if Alizée wants to come here, and I see our role at this point as showing demand, so that her and her management are more inclined.

[Chuck]

Gasp. Everyone, I'm verklempt. So moved by all this poetry. This is getting to be truly Shakespearean.

But not Promethean! Me and all of us will do our bests to enfold as many of these sediments as possible.

As soon as possible, too!

Mentioning this again - e-mail in a signature, if you'd like it on there (otherwise it'll just have your normal, online names ) see post # 101 for more particulars.

[Fall]

Gasp. Everyone, I'm verklempt. So moved by all this poetry. This is getting to be truly Shakespearean.

But not Promethean! Me and all of us will do our bests to enfold as many of these sediments as possible.

As soon as possible, too!

Mentioning this again - e-mail in a signature, if you'd like it on there (otherwise it'll just have your normal, online names ) see post # 101 for more particulars.

I know it seems like a stupid question, but how big should the signature be? I dont want mine to look like an ant or a huge fancy showoff one (John Hancock did that i think, idk) Plus, if theres room, id like to be able to write a really short message there with my signature. Dont worry lol, just a couple of words, not sentences. :)

[wasabi622]

hey chuck, i have no scanner or anything.. so if i was to take a picture of it via my cell phone, and send that to you, could you work with it? it seems like an awful lot of work over a simple signature, but if its going to Alizee, itd mean a lot to me! :D

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

hey chuck, i have no scanner or anything.. so if i was to take a picture of it via my cell phone, and send that to you, could you work with it? it seems like an awful lot of work over a simple signature, but if its going to Alizee, itd mean a lot to me! :D
maybe he'd allow you to send it to him in the mail and he'd scan it ;)

[wasabi622]

maybe he'd allow you to send it to him in the mail and he'd scan it ;)

heck, if that's what you prefer chuck, i can do that too!

[Junkmale]

If that's the way you want to go, why not start an online petition?
I've got no idea how to do that but there are plenty of them about so i presume it would be pretty simple for someone with the technical know how?

[wasabi622]

If that's the way you want to go, why not start an online petition?
I've got no idea how to do that but there are plenty of them about so i presume it would be pretty simple for someone with the technical know how?

well, it's different than that. i dont' just want my name or anything, i want my actual signature. like, the one thats on my debit card and drivers license. :D

[Fall]

If that's the way you want to go, why not start an online petition?
I've got no idea how to do that but there are plenty of them about so i presume it would be pretty simple for someone with the technical know how?

good suggestion, i think that should be part of the letter we send to her label/company/representatives or whatever, but not to Alizée herself because it wouldnt have as much impact. Have we decided on that, whether to split the project in two? A more formal, letter with all our signatures as a petition to the company (appealing to their pockets and wallets), and a more heartfelt and loving one to Alizée? (to motivate her to come here) :confused: Idk, just throwing it out there.

[Chuck]

I know it seems like a stupid question, but how big should the signature be? I dont want mine to look like an ant or a huge fancy showoff one (John Hancock did that i think, idk) Plus, if theres room, id like to be able to write a really short message there with my signature. Dont worry lol, just a couple of words, not sentences. :)

Whew! Another excellent point, this size question. I would certainly want everyone's name to look reasonably equal in size and impressiveness.

That much being said, then HOW'S THIS SOUND for specs:

If possible, make your image somewhere close to 150k - 300k pixels .


To clarify that, I mean 2 to 3 square inches of area (1" x 2" -> 1" x 3", or about 1-1/2" round) at 300 dpi resolution.
Or, that's 4 to 8 square inches of total area if you're scanning at 200 dpi. :confused:
Just MULTIPLY YOUR IMAGE'S HEIGHT X WIDTH X DOTS-PER-INCH to count how many pixels it will have.


Or, if you're looking at the "properties" of your image on a computer, it's just height (in pixels) X width (in pixels).


If the resulting number is between 150,000 and 300,000, you've hit the target!

If it's not, however, don't worry, I'll deal!



That E-address again: bongovideo@tds.net .


Going Postal:
Jungster, why you an' Barrett an' 'Sabi gotta keep thinkin' up more work f'me? I joke agen.
No, traditional mail will be fine too - if someone wants to snail-mail me something, and have me scan it, yeah, great! It'd be an honor, but for safety's sake*, I'm not just posting the address. So PM me that you want an address to mail to, and I'll PM one back to ya!


{*safety - i.e. not being harmed by spouse. }

good suggestion, i think that should be part of the letter we send to her label/company/representatives or whatever, but not to Alizée herself because it wouldnt have as much impact. Have we decided on that, whether to split the project in two? A more formal, letter with all our signatures as a petition to the company (appealing to their pockets and wallets), and a more heartfelt and loving one to Alizée? (to motivate her to come here) :confused: Idk, just throwing it out there.


Junkmale and Fall06, this online petition sounds like a wonderful idea!

So go right ahead! It's not my idea, and I'm already getting pretty busy here. ('Not complaining, though!)

But also I just can't do that.

Say, some of the other forums have online polls right there on the forum! Let's ask Ben if we can get one of those!

[TheBarrett]

Write your signature what feels best to you. Don't write your signature like me where it's a bunch of random scribbles that nobody else can recreate, actually make it readable. :p

To those who have no scanners, just write your signature the best you can on GIMP, Photoshop, MS Paint, whatever. :p
Or if you'd rather just use your real signature, take a picture.
Whatever's welfare will work willingly, whatever works, we can work it. ;)

[wasabi622]

Write your signature what feels best to you. Don't write your signature like me where it's a bunch of random scribbles that nobody else can recreate, actually make it readable. :p




mines pretty straight foward.. it's a messy cursive version of "Tommy" followed by my last name as a chinese symbol.

tis pretty neeto. :p

[Jess]

good suggestion, i think that should be part of the letter we send to her label/company/representatives or whatever, but not to Alizée herself because it wouldnt have as much impact. Have we decided on that, whether to split the project in two? A more formal, letter with all our signatures as a petition to the company (appealing to their pockets and wallets), and a more heartfelt and loving one to Alizée? (to motivate her to come here) :confused: Idk, just throwing it out there.
That's a great idea and yes it should be a separate project. ;)

I wish I had more time in my hands, but I'll try to at least contribute with a little information here and there. This is where Ruslana's petition was originally created, which is very easy for anyone to create a petition for Alizée to come here: http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html

Ruslana's Petition 3581 Signatures sent to the NYPD: http://www.petitiononline.com/ruslana/petition.html
My Ruslana Blog: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=261648501&blogId=417229270

[CFHollister]

:blink: Wow!... this is a huge thread that has popped up relatively quickly. I think an open letter could be a daunting thing to formulate correctly. Not that is can't be done, just that it would be difficult to do correctly.

To clarify, I believe that too. I just think it's up to us to make the first move kick-starting the joint effort, like they did in Mexico (where she has certainly put in subsequent effort). We've wondered if Alizée wants to come here, and I see our role at this point as showing demand, so that her and her management are more inclined.

I think what most of us are wondering is what way is really the best way to go about that :confused:

[wasabi622]

dudes, the most important thing i think we need to focus on is GETTING THIS THING SENT OUT! i mean, i don't want to prove noAlizee4u right.

i mean, if the first thing we send out is a bit messy and could be worked on, at least we'll have something sent out. :D

[Fall]

dudes, the most important thing i think we need to focus on is GETTING THIS THING SENT OUT! i mean, i don't want to prove noAlizee4u right.

i mean, if the first thing we send out is a bit messy and could be worked on, at least we'll have something sent out. :D

yeah but i'd want them to take us seriously. they're just going to throw this away if we write like we're not out of middle school yet. i would prefer taking a bit longer so that we get it just right.

And about the petition, i dont know if i can fill all that out Jess/guys! I clicked on the link and there's a lot of stuff there that confuses me, and there are info requirements that i cant fill out because i dont know whats being asked or what im supposed to answer. :confused: I really dont want to seem lazy and reluctant about this but i just dont know how to get that petition started. But i will help out in any way i can to whoever leads the way on both the Lilly letter (Chuck) and the company letter (you?) :)

[Chuck]

No worry! I don't like messy either!

[Jess]

Guys it's not that difficult unless you make it difficult yourself. We just need to get organized, here's a little pitch of things to be done. You can add more things, but I wouldn't recommend removing any. Also in order to work in order, there needs to be assigned leaders, me thinks.

1) A private personal letter or letters will be sent to Alizée, to show our support and interest, and to request her to inform us her fans, what exactly she wants to do. We'll encourage her to come here of course, but we'll also let her know that we respect her decision whatever that may be.

2) A less personal but still important letter will be sent to her music producers or promoters, to let them know that we're interested in helping them promote Alizée here in our town. It will be in a form of petition via signatures that we will collect from all the Alizée fans in the USA.

3) We will organize a street team of volunteers to hit the streets with info and cd samples of her music. And if we have a laptop or psp or ipod to show some video samples we could even take signatures from them if they want her to come.

4) This forum and others who are willing to participate should continue to twitter Jive, and ask them to inform us as to the best way to promote Alizée. We need to show them that we are serious about this without a reason of doubt.

5) I think all this will have a much better impact if for once we forget our forum colors and unite to make the loudest request that we have ever made thus far !! There is strength in numbers people, just ask any gang member and they will tell you he he... May The Force Be With Us (feel free to pray if you feel like it).

[Chuck]

Gulp. Double gulp. :blink:

Jess, love ya, man, but I think you confused some people there. So let me try to clarify a couple things here.

FOR THOSE UNCLEAR, this thread is dedicated to Jess's point #1 above. It's just the letter-to-Alizée project.

Jess has lots a great suggestions and ideas! His post #106 here will likely become the core of what ultimately gets sent! And I will incorporate his and any other ideas into the letter we produce. Thanks, Jess!

For anyone just tuning in, look at posts #1, 85, 87, 92, 98, 101, and 116. Those are instructions, explanations, specs, and what we'd put together so far.

I'll recompile all those things together in a day or two. And post a new, updated version of the letter for all to see. But it's 4 am now in Wisc, so I gotta go out and milk the cows first.




And no, Jess, we won't "hit you over the head with a blunt object", even if that's what you wanted.:D

[Ben]

I think what most of us are wondering is what way is really the best way to go about that :confused:
What tipped things over the edge in Mexico was when they started playing the official J'en ai marre clip on major music videos channels due to demand. Don't think we can do that here yet, so radio stations are probably our best target. To get them to playing her stuff, we'll need to send in lots of requests. Real, legitimate ones from many different people, not repeated spam from a core group of fans like in past online polls. So we need to promote online (social network sites like myspace and facebook) and on the streets (fliers, sample discs, etc.) to increase our numbers.

That in short is my plan: promote, numbers, radio. Which then may be enough to spur the "joint effort" Deepwaters talked about, carrying things on from there. But...

This is getting real off-topic from Chuck's letter! ;)

[Jess]

My bad I guess... never been told before that I was spamming (snif). I was just answering CFHollister and anyone with similar questions.
Sorry for creating such confusion and getting real off-topic, it won't happen again I promise. ;)

Edit: By the way when you send the letter make sure you don't send it with numbers. :D

[Chuck]

Don't be depressed, Jess! Spam is good! Delicious, in fact, and lasts for years and years and years and years and......

And thanks for mentioning the numbers thing! Very good point. Very good, and I will make sure to remove them. (Actually, I may add more numbers today or tomorrow, just to keep things straight while we're compositing. So don't be alarmed.)

But yes, in the finished letter, having numbers or 'bullet points' on the 'list' part would seem a lot more demanding and rude. Which is why I probably would have made that mistake, and why it's a good thing this isn't all being written by one person alone!

[wasabi622]

please please please lets not makes this over complicated! im betting that if it does get too complicated, it's just gonna die off..

i feel like we're talking too much and not actually doing as much as we talk about..

lets do this people! :D

[Chuck]

Don't worry so much there, Kimo Sabe!

Sorry folks, I was busy on other threads and other forums for a couple days. And school just started again, and I gotta do taxes, and the horse needs shoein', the cat needs fixin', the fence needs mendin', the dog needs fed. ;)

We'll see this through, but it's up to all of us.

I haven't received anyone's signatures yet, by the way. (Mr wasabi.........?) Everyone, see post #118 for particulars if you want your name to appear (graphically) on the final letter!

For anyone just tuning in, look at posts #1, 85, 87, 92, 98, 101, and 118. I'll have better guidelines and a new draft posted by tomorrow. Or as soon as I find where I left the tractor.

[wasabi622]

hey, so i just sent my signature! tell me if its good enough. :D

[Chuck]

Good enough???? It's great! I now have an autograph of the Internationally-Renowned Mr. Wasabi! I'm gonna print one and frame it!

(oh, yeah, and it'll be the first one on the LETTER!!!!)

Anybody else wanna be next? Send in any time! - Chk. :rolleyes: :D

[Fall]

Good enough???? It's great! I now have an autograph of the Internationally-Renowned Mr. Wasabi! I'm gonna print one and frame it!

(oh, yeah, and it'll be the first one on the LETTER!!!!)

Anybody else wanna be next? Send in any time! - Chk. :rolleyes: :D

Aww, i wanted to be first :(, well anyways, i used a wiacom pen and pad in Computer Graphics at school today to make my signature, but when i tried to save it, the only format i recognized was the one for Adobe Illustrator which i was using. If you can open this file, tell me so i can send it to you or if you cant, ill re-do it on another program and then send it to you. :)

[Chuck]

Basically, I think anyone can send just about any format!!!

If I was a real graphics expert, of course, I'd have a mac, which I don't so I guess I'm not.


I mostly use Corel. Stop laughing. I started with it in '94, and never really saw any big reason to switch to adobe.

NONETHELESS, I do have the import/export converters to handle pretty-much any format out there. And 15 years' experience with em.

PLUS I just got Ubuntu, which includes GIMP, the amazing graphics program TheBarrett was boasting about a few weeks ago! (and it is slick!) *****


So go 'head and send what you got, Fallo! Same for anyone. I don't expect any of you can stump me with a format, unless you just made it up. If I'm wrong and can't use it, I'll just message you back.


Logging out for now, but back real soon, Chuck.

[Fall]

Basically, I think anyone can send just about any format!!!

If I was a real graphics expert, of course, I'd have a mac, which I don't so I guess I'm not.


I mostly use Corel. Stop laughing. I started with it in '94, and never really saw any big reason to switch to adobe.

NONETHELESS, I do have the import/export converters to handle pretty-much any format out there. And 15 years' experience with em.

PLUS I just got Ubuntu, which includes GIMP, the amazing graphics program TheBarrett was boasting about a few weeks ago! (and it is slick!) *****


So go 'head and send what you got, Fallo! Same for anyone. I don't expect any of you can stump me with a format, unless you just made it up. If I'm wrong and can't use it, I'll just message you back.


Logging out for now, but back real soon, Chuck.

No reason to be laughing, Corel is awesome. We use it in Computer Graphics along with Adobe and others. Alrighty then Chuck, I'll send you the file, and tell me if i need to re-do it because i made it a little slanted/diagonal for some reason :confused: and i dont know if everybody else's will be straight. :o

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I mostly use Corel. Stop laughing.

Corel is the shit! I love it man

[TheBarrett]

Basically, I think anyone can send just about any format!!!

If I was a real graphics expert, of course, I'd have a mac, which I don't so I guess I'm not.


I mostly use Corel. Stop laughing. I started with it in '94, and never really saw any big reason to switch to adobe.

NONETHELESS, I do have the import/export converters to handle pretty-much any format out there. And 15 years' experience with em.

PLUS I just got Ubuntu, which includes GIMP, the amazing graphics program TheBarrett was boasting about a few weeks ago! (and it is slick!) *****


So go 'head and send what you got, Fallo! Same for anyone. I don't expect any of you can stump me with a format, unless you just made it up. If I'm wrong and can't use it, I'll just message you back.


Logging out for now, but back real soon, Chuck.

I don't boast about GIMP.
I boast that I use GIMP because i'm too cheap and lazy to get Photoshop. (^^)

Hope you enjoy your adventures, i'm still figuring out all the niches. :p

[Chuck]

Okay, here's an updated version. Still pretty rough, but taking shape!
For those just tuning in, the purpose of this letter is TO PROVIDE SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT HELP ALIZEE TO REACH MORE AMERICANS AND SELL MORE CD'S HERE IN AMERICA. We're going to finish this, send it primarily as an e-document, but also sending printed copies (so she can frame it). The final document (both versions) will also feature our NEWEST LOGO (courtesy CFH/Ruroshen), and our SIGNATURES on the bottom.


-> sign a piece of paper, then scan it, then e-mail me the scan.
-> or draw your sig on the computer, then e-mail me that.
-> OR sign a paper, take a good digital photo of it, e-mail the pic.
I'd rather your sigs NOT be the same as your online sigs.

It's also on my profile, but here's my e-mail: bongovideo@tds.net

Just e-send some sort of graphic, and YOUR SIGNATURE WILL APPEAR on the finished letter to ALIZÉE!


*ENTRIES WITH ASTERISKS* below are totally up for grabs. To be added, changed, deleted, overdiscussed, and/or adopted by you. Suggestions still in no particular order.




<<{NEW ALIZEEAMERICA LOGO GOES HERE (per Alex405687)}


Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the world's largest Alizee fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have ____ members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (numbers/stats about us also sugg. by Alex)

And we want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and take your rightful place as queen of the world!


1) Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

2) Do not be discouraged by all the hip hop music you hear coming from the USA, we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French !!

3) Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our desires be heard.

4) We love you Alizée, and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA. [I]#'s 1 - 4 by Jess (Paradise, FL), who also pointed out that we WILL remove all these numbers and letters!


a) Alizée, do you WANT to sell albums in America, and to perform in America? It would mean you would have to give up being anonymous when you visit this country. You could no longer go to New York or other parts of the U.S. and have no one (or almost no one) recognize you. You would have to be conscious of the public here as you are in France or Mexico. The commercial potential is of course huge. Is that worth it to you? If not, well, I guess we will simply have to accept that. --Deepwaters, CA

b) Don't be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a mega-popstar-hit, but to reach a reasonable target audience. --Deepwaters, CA

c) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, son bain de mousse

d) Tour with or open for Madonna! ( + any other sugg's besides Madonna?) --Fall06, Annandale, VA

e) Be on Letterman, or O'Brian. Or Ferguson, or Kimmel, or even Leno. Or any or all of 'em! If singing in French, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreign talents.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters (+ any other endorsers)*

f)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?) Seconded by Fall06, MonMaquis, (+ any other endorsers?)*

g) Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good, if not better. (That's how most of the members of our forum became fans.) So ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible (if not all of them), all in one website. If those vids included subtitles in spanish and/or english, like French films, so much the better! --______(any takers?)*

h) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*

i) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps the fabulous Patriot Center, located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois... (+ any other endorsers?)*

j) What if you just did your entire albums, as you like (mostly or entirely in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of people, once interested, would want to buy multiple discs in any languages, just to hear your incredible voice. --______(anyone?)*

k) If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love. --Deepwaters, CA (...um, Deep, y'sayin' she should have some champagne first???)


l) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)

m) There are many different tv shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but if you'd drop us a hint, it could greatly help us to help you! --Jess, Paradise, FL


x,y,z....)
Whatever else anybody else still wants to add.

I know there's still tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll keep trying to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so, too! :D

[user472884]

c) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, son bain de mousse


yea, could you change that to "Fullerton, CA" or at least add it or something, I think she'd take it a little more seriously.

-----

siggy sent, could you let me know if you received it? my outgoing mail has been a little iffy lately

[Chuck]

Jalen - Yes, Got it! Thanks! Who's Next?

btw, "Fullerton" isn't necessary, it could just say "California". You tell me. Either way, yes, we'll get you out of that tub one of these days.



ALL OTHERS: LATEST UPDATED VERSION IS POST # 140, bottom of previous page! Check it out!!!!

[lefty12357]

One correction, we are not the biggest forum as far as members go. I think that would be www.alizee-forum.com with over 23,000 members. Granted, most of them are not active, but I'm not sure if we have truly reliable numbers for the most active site. Maybe someone can enlighten us on this.

[TheBarrett]

One correction, we are not the biggest forum as far as members go. I think that would be www.alizee-forum.com with over 23,000 members. Granted, most of them are not active, but I'm not sure if we have truly reliable numbers for the most active site. Maybe someone can enlighten us on this.

Comparing activity though, we seem to just have a slight percentage more of such here.
AF may get it's old activity bone yet again, but since this is a fanletter to her from the US, it'll be a bit more of a self-promotion thing to mention this site.
I'm sure she's heard of both, but I don't think this site has as much attention from her. As if any of the sites had much at all.

[Chuck]

Okay, the Alizee-Forum.com may be bigger, but can we say we're the biggest fansite run by fans? Or the biggest fansite in North America? Somebody tell me what numbers or use, or I'll just leave those blank lines on there, I swear to God I will....


Again,
LATEST UPDATED VERSION IS POST # 140, bottom of previous page! Check it out!!!! We need YOUR comments and suggestions! Keep 'em coming!

thanks again, Chuck. ;)

[lefty12357]

We can't forget the Mexican sites as well. I would imagine they are quite active and have quite a few members.

Chuck, maybe you could say,

"As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of one of the world's most enthusiastic Alizée fan forums, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have 2221 members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (numbers/stats about us also sugg. by Alex) ".

[user472884]

Jalen - Yes, Got it! Thanks! Who's Next?

btw, "Fullerton" isn't necessary, it could just say "California". You tell me. Either way, yes, we'll get you out of that tub one of these days.



Nah put Fullerton... my skin's starting to prune

[wasabi622]

Okay, here's an updated version. Still pretty rough, but taking shape!
For those just tuning in, the purpose of this letter is TO PROVIDE SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT HELP ALIZEE TO REACH MORE AMERICANS AND SELL MORE CD'S HERE IN AMERICA. We're going to finish this, send it primarily as an e-document, but also sending printed copies (so she can frame it). The final document (both versions) will also feature our NEWEST LOGO (courtesy CFH/Ruroshen), and our SIGNATURES on the bottom.






<<{NEW ALIZEEAMERICA LOGO GOES HERE (per Alex405687)}


Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the world's largest Alizee fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have ____ members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (numbers/stats about us also sugg. by Alex)

And we want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and take your rightful place as queen of the world!


1) Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

2) Do not be discouraged by all the hip hop music you hear coming from the USA, we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French !!

3) Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our desires be heard.

4) We love you Alizée, and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA. [I]#'s 1 - 4 by Jess (Paradise, FL), who also pointed out that we WILL remove all these numbers and letters!


a) Alizée, do you WANT to sell albums in America, and to perform in America? It would mean you would have to give up being anonymous when you visit this country. You could no longer go to New York or other parts of the U.S. and have no one (or almost no one) recognize you. You would have to be conscious of the public here as you are in France or Mexico. The commercial potential is of course huge. Is that worth it to you? If not, well, I guess we will simply have to accept that. --Deepwaters, CA

b) Don't be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a mega-popstar-hit, but to reach a reasonable target audience. --Deepwaters, CA

c) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, son bain de mousse

d) Tour with or open for Madonna! ( + any other sugg's besides Madonna?) --Fall06, Annandale, VA

e) Be on Letterman, or O'Brian. Or Ferguson, or Kimmel, or even Leno. Or any or all of 'em! If singing in French, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreign talents.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters (+ any other endorsers)*

f)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?) Seconded by Fall06, MonMaquis, (+ any other endorsers?)*

g) Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good, if not better. (That's how most of the members of our forum became fans.) So ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible (if not all of them), all in one website. If those vids included subtitles in spanish and/or english, like French films, so much the better! --______(any takers?)*

h) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*

i) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps the fabulous Patriot Center, located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois... (+ any other endorsers?)*

j) What if you just did your entire albums, as you like (mostly or entirely in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of people, once interested, would want to buy multiple discs in any languages, just to hear your incredible voice. --______(anyone?)*

k) If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love. --Deepwaters, CA (...um, Deep, y'sayin' she should have some champagne first???)


l) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)

m) There are many different tv shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but if you'd drop us a hint, it could greatly help us to help you! --Jess, Paradise, FL


x,y,z....)
Whatever else anybody else still wants to add.

I know there's still tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll keep trying to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so, too! :D


count me in for: F, J, K, I

:D

it's a lot, but i sure as hell do agree with 'em!

[Chuck]

No Prob, Wasab !

Fallo, I got yer *.ai file. I'm not certain yet, had the thing open for .5 seconds, then it blinked away... From what there was it looked fine, like marker-drawn style right? I'll let y'know if I can't bring it back soon.

Okay. Goodbody, Everynight. I mean g'night, everyb z zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Paulina]

(This may have already been mentioned but,) now that the tv network G4TV has recognized her as one of the "Hottest Girls of the Web" it is very possible she could make an appearance on American tv.

[Fyrel]

(This may have already been mentioned but,) now that the tv network G4TV has recognized her as one of the "Hottest Girls of the Web" it is very possible she could make an appearance on American tv.

When was this and is there a video? It would be a great start......I think appealing to that crowd may be a good start. Gamers already know the WoW dance.....I don't know how many or what kind of gamers watch G4 nowadays though. I don't hear good things about it.

[BlackAnthem]

Kewl! So her name was on American TV?!? Wow this is pretty sweet. I say we take this and run with it!

I watch G4 but now it's turning into a SPIKE TV. Not really focusing on games anymore. But It's really popular around Comic-Con, the E3. I think had been mentioned around that time people would look her up since that is the time G4 has the highest viewer ratings. So...it may not have worked but it's a start.

[Chuck]

Okay, here's an updated version. Still pretty rough, but taking shape!
For those just tuning in, the purpose of this letter is TO PROVIDE SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT HELP ALIZEE TO REACH MORE AMERICANS AND SELL MORE CD'S HERE IN AMERICA. We're going to finish this, send it primarily as an e-document, but also sending printed copies (so she can frame it). The final document (both versions) will also feature our NEWEST LOGO (courtesy CFH/Ruroshen), and our SIGNATURES on the bottom.






<<{NEW ALIZEEAMERICA LOGO GOES HERE (per Alex405687)}


Dear Miss Alizée, :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub: :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the world's largest Alizee fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have ____ members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (numbers/stats about us also sugg. by Alex)

And we want to help you to conquer the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and take your rightful place as queen of the world!


1) Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

2) Do not be discouraged by all the hip hop music you hear coming from the USA, we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French !!

3) Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our desires be heard.

4) We love you Alizée, and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA. [I]#'s 1 - 4 by Jess (Paradise, FL), who also pointed out that we WILL remove all these numbers and letters!


a) Alizée, do you WANT to sell albums in America, and to perform in America? It would mean you would have to give up being anonymous when you visit this country. You could no longer go to New York or other parts of the U.S. and have no one (or almost no one) recognize you. You would have to be conscious of the public here as you are in France or Mexico. The commercial potential is of course huge. Is that worth it to you? If not, well, I guess we will simply have to accept that. --Deepwaters, CA

b) Don't be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a mega-popstar-hit, but to reach a reasonable target audience. --Deepwaters, CA

c) Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, Fullerton, CA

d) Tour with or open for Madonna! ( + any other sugg's besides Madonna?) --Fall06, Annandale, VA

e) Be on Letterman, or O'Brian. Or Ferguson, or Kimmel, or even Leno. Or any or all of 'em! If singing in French, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreign talents.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters (+ any other endorsers)*

f)Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (uh, Ben, everyone, can we say that?) Seconded by Fall06 (+ any other endorsers?)*

g) Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good, if not better. (That's how most of the members of our forum became fans.) So ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible (if not all of them), all in one website. If those vids included subtitles in spanish and/or english, like French films, so much the better! --______(any takers?)*

h) Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photogs (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______(anyone?)*

i) Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, lotsa federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps the fabulous Patriot Center, located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois... (+ any other endorsers?)*

j) What if you just did your entire albums, as you like (mostly or entirely in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of people, once interested, would want to buy multiple discs in any languages, just to hear your incredible voice. --______(anyone?)*

k) If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love. --Deepwaters, CA (...um, Deep, y'sayin' she should have some champagne first???)


l) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)

m) There are many different tv shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but if you'd drop us a hint, it could greatly help us to help you! --Jess, Paradise, FL


x,y,z....)
Whatever else anybody else still wants to add.

I know there's still tons of other great suggestions already posted elsewhere in the forum. I'll keep trying to copy some of those to here in the upcoming days. Anyone else noticing those, please do so, too! :D

[Paulina]

I could actually see her appearing on Attack of the Show as a guest on G4tv.

@Fyrel: I'm not sure when it aired, but on the G4tv site they have some clips from the show.

[Fall]

l) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong french women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. A couple movie stars, maybe? but no musical artists. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! --(from all of us.) (hmm?)

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[Chuck]

Hey! That "end of ze world" vid was funny! Pretty clever. And the french lady WAS tall and "beautiful", for an amateurish cartoon...

[Fall]

Hey! That "end of ze world" vid was funny! Pretty clever. And the french lady WAS tall and "beautiful", for an amateurish cartoon...

yeah, i admit, it was funny...:o (well, have a nap, zhen fire ze missilez!) but how would Alizée react to that? (I think she would laugh, she has a sense of humor right?:)) how would america react to Alizée being different from that? :confused: i think most would would accept her eventually if not immediately but we would have to work at it.

[wasabi622]

yeah, i admit, it was funny...:o (well, have a nap, zhen fire ze missilez!) but how would Alizée react to that? (I think she would laugh, she has a sense of humor right?:)) how would america react to Alizée being different from that? :confused: i think most would would accept her eventually if not immediately but we would have to work at it.

hahahaa, i don't think that is much to worry about.

seriously, stereotypes aren't all that overpowering. i mean, especially in the video! accordingly, the only thing worth noting from Australia is kangaroos! (and apparently california, alaska and hawaii and good friends? :p)

and hell, a good chunk of Americans are some part french or the other.

[Chuck]

Look, wasabi, and all you other rice-eaters out there, I don't believe in stereotypes!

So enough! No more stereotypes!

...buncha computer nerds.... :blink:

ps, i still love these guys, too:
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[Fall]

...buncha computer nerds....

no such thing as a computer nerd that can dance (remembers the NumaNuma kid)... like the King of Pop, thank you very much :p:D

[Chuck]

Fallo, bro, ultimately your point is a very good one. ("^")

What if it just said this, n' that's all ( w/ no stereotyping, no image advice, less b/s.) :

"
L.) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. Americans are noticing already!

"

> ? ? any better ? ?

I vote for whatever you think here, in case you want to rewrite some more! Or if someone else has ideas, or thinks we should dump it altogether, or ...

[Fall]

Fallo, bro, ultimately your point is a very good one. ("^")

What if it just said this, n' that's all ( w/ no stereotyping, no image advice, less b/s.) :

"
L.) Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. Americans are noticing already!

"

> ? ? any better ? ?

I vote for whatever you think here, in case you want to rewrite some more! Or if someone else has ideas, or thinks we should dump it altogether, or ...


I think thats great Chuck. :) I was in Computer Graphics today, fixing up the signature i sent you, just in case, and a friend asked me what it was for. I told him about this letter project and he said several times that it was a great idea, and asked when we were shipping it out. I was glad he liked the idea, but sadly he aint a Lilly fan... yet ;)

[Chuck]

Hi, Fall, wasabi was asking what was happening, too -

First, yes the deadline will probably still be the end of the month. :mad:

Second, I been busy setting up the new computer i got. :o

Third, I was waiting for some info on some of the legalities and/or liabilities on some of this. I'll explain that tomorrow.

So don't worry, the thread lives, the project lives. I'm not fanning the flame or beating the drum about it as much lately, but

But anyone else can, too... :D

[Fall]

So don't worry, the thread lives, the project lives. I'm not fanning the flame or beating the drum about it as much lately, but

But anyone else can, too... :D

oh dont worry, the computer thing is totally understandable. everybody should work at this, not just you Chuck. Everybody else, lets give Chuck here a hand, this is his idea, and we the believers are supposed to help make it happen. I'll have more time this weekend after i finish hw, so ill help with anything you need. i'm here for ya Chuck! :)

[wasabi622]

Hi, Fall, wasabi was asking what was happening, too -

First, yes the deadline will probably still be the end of the month. :mad:

Second, I been busy setting up the new computer i got. :o

Third, I was waiting for some info on some of the legalities and/or liabilities on some of this. I'll explain that tomorrow.

So don't worry, the thread lives, the project lives. I'm not fanning the flame or beating the drum about it as much lately, but

But anyone else can, too... :D

legalities? i can't foresee any problems, i mean, it's basically just a fan letter, no?

though, it is a one-of-a-kind-badass-awesome-beyond-belief fan letter, it's a fan letter nonetheless. and im sure those are very legal. :D

[BlackAnthem]

legalities?

Chuck said he would explain tomorrow (which is today?). I wanna hear this one.

[Chuck]

Gawwd! I'm setting up my new computer! Just just give me a minute.

A few then.


Liability-wise, I should of explained this part better:
"waiting for some info on some of the legalities and/or liabilities on some of this. I'll explain that tomorrow."

But I was in a hurry. Specifically, I was seeking advice on more secure ways to get your signatures submitted, without exposing any of you to any security vulnerabilities. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers back yet. So I'm not asking for signature submissions at this point.

But any other suggestions or submissions, please jump back on in with. ;

[Alex]

Very good point Chuck!:) I know we are doing this with the best intentions; however we dont know after sending the letter who will receive this letter and if their intentions are the same as ours. Takd your time in finding the answers Chuck:) really appreciate your precautions towards our security and identity.

So ahoild I send you my signature, or wait???

[Chuck]

Alex - re signature - yeh, please wait. Fallo, yers had a glitch, and I'd like a new one, but if you would just wait, too, please? Lefty had suggested some decent third-party host sites, I wanted to check em out before saying much more.

And sorry for being away, I was busy arguing on the "other sites" thread for a while.

And did I mention my new computer? Now it's got over 1004 fonts on it! I'm ready for anything!



I'll be back to this string again manana, but first, good night. :)

[user472884]

And did I mention my new computer? Now it's got over 1004 fonts on it! I'm ready for anything!

yes, 1000 fonts.....

let's use Times or Arial..... MUAHAHA that'll spice things up!

[wasabi622]

Gawwd! I'm setting up my new computer! Just just give me a minute.

A few then.


Liability-wise, I should of explained this part better:
"waiting for some info on some of the legalities and/or liabilities on some of this. I'll explain that tomorrow."

But I was in a hurry. Specifically, I was seeking advice on more secure ways to get your signatures submitted, without exposing any of you to any security vulnerabilities. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers back yet. So I'm not asking for signature submissions at this point.

But any other suggestions or submissions, please jump back on in with. ;


what??!??? but.. i already sent you my signature! :(
plz don't use it buy illegal/naughty stuff.

[Chuck]

Wasabi, hate to tell you, but you now own a house, four wives, three mothers-in-law, and seven goats in Rwanda. Also, you're wanted for practicing witchcraft. I told 'em you'd show up soon and explain everything.

But seriously, you're fine. The witchcraft charges may not stick. And here's a picture of Edgar, demonstrating one of your wives! (actual appearances may vary)

<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=9ddgyt2hjdn&thumb=5" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/573c2d4091b7133c9f151c12065a299d2g.jpg" border="0" alt="Unlimited Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire"></a>

No, really, I'm testing other third-party hosting sites today. Above photo hosted by mediafire.com, they handle any files, but they're really slow. I'll post some other results shortly!

[wasabi622]

Wasabi, hate to tell you, but you now own a house, four wives, three mothers-in-law, and seven goats in Rwanda. Also, you're wanted for practicing witchcraft. I told 'em you'd show up soon and explain everything.

But seriously, you're fine. The witchcraft charges may not stick. And here's a picture of Edgar, demonstrating one of your wives! (actual appearances may vary)

<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=9ddgyt2hjdn&thumb=5" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/573c2d4091b7133c9f151c12065a299d2g.jpg" border="0" alt="Unlimited Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire"></a>

No, really, I'm testing other third-party hosting sites today. Above photo hosted by mediafire.com, they handle any files, but they're really slow. I'll post some other results shortly!

damn! i do approve of your taste in my wives you've picked out for me. :p

anyways, once you're done, can ya send me a copy too?? it'd be nice to have. :D

[Chuck]

Hey gang, still trying out hosting sites: How's this look for a rough layout?
http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/14/21/49/37/letter11.gif


EVERYONE:
WE'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS FORUM TO HAVE YOUR SIGNATURES ADDED TO THIS LETTER!
(Note: sigs shown above are crappy facsimiles of actual sigs received)

To SUBMIT YOUR SIGNATURE TO BE ADDED:
1) write your signature, on paper or on a computer;
2) save it as an image file: jpg, bmp gif, tif, psd, ppk... (use scanner or digital camera if nec.);
3) send that file in! You can still e-mail it to me as an attachment, if you prefer, but first I must say this:

For everyone's peace of mind (and per Lefty's excellent advice), we're recommending you take advantage of a third-party hosting site to get those files to me. If you're already signed up with such a site, you can maybe use them. Otherwise, go to rapidshare.com (4*'s) or megaupload.com (3.5*'s) and follow the simple instructions. WHICHEVER SITE you choose, they'll give you an access code, which you can then pass along to me in a PM.


Or you can post your sig file on this site (then message me so I know where to look)
Or you can still, like, use old-fashioned e-mail to bongovideo@tds.net .



WHEW! Other than that, anything else? Editorial comments? (newest text of the letter to get posted by tomorroe.)

OH, the uh, deadline is now OCTOBER 10th. 'Been busy! We just had a potluck, 50 people in here t'other day, half of em under 10. still cleaning up.:mad:

[wasabi622]

Hey gang, still trying out hosting sites: How's this look for a rough layout?
http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/14/21/49/37/letter11.gif




did i ever mention that i love you?

[Chuck]

Paulina & Fyrel - sorry, I wasn't ignoring you two, I just hadn't ever heard of this G4TV, or Attack Of The Show. (I was thinking it was maybe a cable channel.) But I checked it out (G4TV.com, in case someone else didn't know), and it seems like a great possibility. It'll be in the next edition.

Maybe we should also find out how they pick what goes up on their site? Maybe we can all pelt them with requests..?

(wasabi - see below)

[Fall]

That looks awesome!!! Great work. I wish I could say i helped. Thanks for all this Chuck :) you've done an awesome job :cool:

[wasabi622]

(wasabi - see below)

hahahaaa!! cute. :p

how'd you manage to do that??

[user472884]

and green just so happens to be my almost favorite color

I don't remember writing my letters like that... did you add a little flair to it? I don't care, nice job!

[Tchaikovsky]

G4TV has recognized her as one of the "Hottest Girls of the Web"
YouTube or it didn't happen.

[BlackAnthem]

I would be happy to sign it. I will try to get a signature in by Saturday. Thanks for letting me in on this guys. I really appreciate it. And may I say great idea? I may.

Kinda reminds me of the Deceleration of Independence.

[Paulina]

YouTube or it didn't happen.

Not everything is on Youtube. Here's the link to vid: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/womenoftheweb/64889/Women-of-the-Web-8108.html

[edgar93]

I'm gonna send you my sign either tomorrow or Saturday, Chuck :).

[Chuck]

Thank You, Edgar! Thank you Anthem, too!

Paulina, Tchaikovsky, Fyrel, and anyone else who's commented or contributed, PLEASE consider submitting your signatures! More have been arriving, and I don't anyone to miss out. (see post 174 of this thread, for better details.)


I'm sorry for not saying or updating more than this yet, I had hoped to have a better version of the body text posted by now. I'm still re-editing it, as it was about two or three pages long, and we're aiming for just one page. (To make it all fit onto that layout, that was shrunk to 6-point type. Which would cause extreme eyestrain, which could cause Lilly to fall off the stage as soon as she's first performing in the US. We don't want that.)

But Thanks Again Everyone, Back Again Soon! Chuck. :)

[BlackAnthem]

Well try to summerize certian parts. Here, send it to me and i'll give it a shot.

[Chuck]

BlackAnthem, sure, thanks! For any and all interested, here's a zip file, attached, containing a long, original version (ma1.doc) and a shorter one (ma2.doc, that's still not short enough).

Received a lot of sig's lately, but there's still plenty of room for lots more!

Back soon with more updates. chuck.

[user472884]

BlackAnthem, sure, thanks! For any and all interested, here's a zip file, attached, containing a long, original version (ma1.doc) and a shorter one (ma2.doc, that's still not short enough).

Received a lot of sig's lately, but there's still plenty of room for lots more!

Back soon with more updates. chuck.

1, 2... 4... a... b.... g.... what?

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and also, shouldn't the letter be translated into French if we want her personally to read this?

[Chuck]

1, 2... 4... a... b.... g.... what?
:blink:
Forget the numbers n letters. Things can still be moved up or down, in or out. For the final, all those numbers are going to be removed.
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and also, shouldn't the letter be translated into French if we want her personally to read this?
:eek:
Good point. But let's leave it in english for now, so everyone can still contribute equally. When we're closer to all agreeing on a slimmer version, then we'll start switching over. Maybe Bigdan will help with the proofreading, too?

[AlizéeDuSiècle]

am i too late?

[BlackAnthem]

Hey Chuck. Sorry I couldn't open it. If you want to copy and paste it into an e-mail I be more than happy to try it. Sorry.

[wasabi622]

holy crap dude, that's a very long letter! im definitely agreeing with slimming it down a bit.

though i have to hand it to you, you've made it very nice and professional looking! :D

[Chuck]

am i too late?

Not In The Least! But there's less than a week left!!!

100', it would be an honor to get your virtual signature on this document.

Newer updates soon, but for now, young centipededrop, go back a couple pages and check post #174 for best advice on what/how/where to send your signature.

Other kinds of contributions?

Any other comments / suggestions / messages are still welcome, too (from you or anyone), but be aware that we've already got a lot of extra words in there, and we're currently trying to shed a few.



Thanks again, Wasabi, and Anthem, "you've got mail!" :eek:

[BlackAnthem]

Hey Chuck. Thanks for the DOCS. I only have one complaint. I don't think you should use the English terms unless you know they would make sense in French too. But I'll include that in my versions. Also send the text documents. I was able to open it but as a read-me on my ipod. So Thanks.

[user472884]

Hey Chuck. Thanks for the DOCS. I only have one complaint. I don't think you should use the English terms unless you know they would make sense in French too. But I'll include that in my versions. Also send the text documents. I was able to open it but as a read-me on my ipod. So Thanks.

What are some of the terms? I briefly glanced over the docs so I didn't catch any. I know a lot of French terms that could possibly substituted

[Fall]

i hope you got the my new and improved sig as requested Chuck, send me a PM im you have any trouble again :)

just wanted to share that i joined my school's French club today, i'm real excited cause it seems like fun, there will be some cool stuff we do like watch French movies, cook French dishes, among other things. There's also a trip to France that the French students are invited to go on, but all the classes were full and i couldnt take it, but i hope my status as student under Mrs. Daski, a French/AP Spanish teacher, and a member of Le Cercle Francais will gain me entry :D

[BlackAnthem]

Sorry Jalen what I meant was when he uses slang, "queen of the world", and there was this other one but I can't find it now. Anyway I am concerned in French those may mean something completely different.

For example: That's what she said. (Makes no sense in Spanish) Your mom. (Spanish=no sense) Up and at 'em (Nope.) King or Queen (German: highly disrespectful to a leader. I think.) Catch my drift?

[user472884]

just wanted to share that i joined my school's French club today

I hope your French club is better than the one at my school

1. It's ALL koreans, 'pacific islanders', and me. I'm the most French in there!
2. None of them speak French except me, I asked them on the first day "Comment allez-vous?" and they looked at me like I was retarded...
3. The first meeting had NOTHING to do with France/French.... the spent the first twenty minutes of a thirty minute lunch "waiting for more people", one minute having a 'drawing' for a water bottle (I won the cracked water bottle) and some silly putty, and the rest of the time having some stupid teen-girl-omgnoway-talk
4. Only two of the korean girls in there speak another language other than Korean, being spanish (it's very odd to hear spanish in a korean accent) and "okay" and "sew-dy"

[Chuck]

B.A.!!!! Sorry! Sending those text files asap! As for the "terms", yes, that's a very good point. Otherwise, we'll be like "lost in translation"!

Jalen, that French club story sounds a little disheartening, but if the teacher or club leader likes France, I bet it'll be okay. Like yourself, the other students signed up because they were interested. The in-charge should be able to run with that. (If they speak French or teach it, even better. )

Is this "club" different from French class? Is there a French class in your school?

I guess we're forgetting that other topic (^^) for the moment. (I got some new stuff to put up here, but it'll have to wait.)

But for now, I'm just curious to hear from youall, when (or if) French is being offered as an elective in most of the schools out there. Starting in high school, at least, right? Or Junior High? Here in the local public schools, it's first available in 7th grade. Which, I think, may be a little ahead of most areas??? ( <- NOT saying that to brag, jus say'n that's a good age to start. )

I'm asking, then - Is There French In Public School Where You Are? Starting at what level? :o

Or if not, why not? Lack of French teachers? Budget cuts? Both? :confused:

[user472884]

1. Jalen, that French club story sounds a little disheartening, but if the teacher or club leader likes France, I bet it'll be okay.

2. Is this "club" different from French class? Is there a French class in your school?

3. I'm asking, then - Is There French In Public School Where You Are? Starting at what level? :o

4. Or if not, why not? Lack of French teachers? Budget cuts? Both? :confused:

1. For some odd reason, my school doesn't allow the teachers to be directly involved in the club. They're mainly there to provide a room and to make sure we aren't dealing weed and 8-balls during Key Club... the French teacher was on her phone and computer the whole time.

2. French class is (at least at my school): Repeat after me class; Par-ah-ploo-wee = umbrella. Qu'est ce que c'est classe? une chaise *which they pronounce 'ch', not 'sh'*. More evidence for my claim that my generation is pretty much retarded; dumb is cool, smart is f'en retarded, after getting yelled at by the teacher you turn to your friends and laugh, screw homework man... catch my drift? Essentially French class is well, French class. The French Culture Club as described in the school handbook is "a group of students who meet to discuss, share, and everything else about French culture. You'd think you were in the middle of Paris! A knowledge of French culture is recommended before joining, knowledge of the French language is encouraged." and all that crap. As I've said before, the only people who speak French in that club are me and the teacher. The club is portrayed as enjoyable extra-credit for French, but is really just something for students who realize they need to take initiative to make their college applications look better... and nothing more.

3. I believe in my district Spanish is offered from 7th grade because of well, I'm in Southern California and about an hour away from LA and the border. Seeing "los coyotes" dropping off two dozen or so illegals is not uncommon here. Any language that isn't Spanish starts to be offered from 9th grade. Even so, the languages are only those that have significance locally. My high school offers Korean, French, Spanish, and Latin.

4. As I've said before, if all the kids think they are the shit and way too cool to ever correctly pronounce the French "r" or "u", there isn't going to be a large availability of French classes. Location also has influence. How many Portuguese or Italian classes are you going to find in freaking Wichita? There isn't as big demand for the knowledge of Spanish in China as there is in Southern California. There isn't as big of a demand of German in Louisiana as there is in Strasbourg. Plus our country is everyday lowering the standard of what's required to graduate school (there is this dumb, dumb typical teenage girl in my spanish 2 class that had know idea how to conjugate "ir", did not understand the difference between "ser" and "estar", and always says some dumb shit like "Mee guh-star comb-ear lay meesa". The Governator's grip on the budget's balls is still tightening, but fortunately only very few high schools are seeing that their teachers are being fired. The same cant be said for the elementary schools.

*all my spew was based on my time here in Southern California, it may be and probably is different in other places around the country.

**Off topic fail

[deanej]

My school does offer French, but you have to select it as the language to study in 6th grade; you can't switch in to it later. The high school does technically offer the first level course of all the languages available (Spanish, French, German, Latin, and Russian), but only Spanish, Latin, and Russian are viable choices; there is a requirement that 15 people sign up for a class to have it offered, which the French and German level 1 courses never meet (Spanish only meets it because the middle school requires that all students who start a language late take Spanish; Latin and Russian aren't offered at the middle school at all). Unless the middle school starts allowing 8th graders to take 6th grade courses (the reason for the Spanish requirement is because the school has to create a special course for them in 8th grade, which is really just another section of the 6th grade course fit into the 8th grade schedule), people who transfer in or start late aren't going to be able to take French.

[user472884]

German,

Oh yea, my school does have german... but I think it's only two periods taught by a spanish teacher or something weird like that.

My school was designed against people like me who would enjoy taking language classes. My school requires a minimum of two years of the same (crap) language to graduate, but for most Californian colleges at least four years is highly recommended (double crap). There's also a rule at my school that says you cannot take more than one language class at a time... which pissed me off enough to go ask the principal who told me to ask the vice who told me to ask the office staff who told me to ask the ASB guy who told me to ask the vice and all that crap. Hopefully 'Coloradianeseian' schools are different. I'd like to be able to take French, Spanish, and Italian at the same time

[BlackAnthem]

We have a French thing class. The French teacher seems pretty cool. We start at French 1 to French AP. He also knows Russian. I am taking Latin. At the age of 20 I am planning to begin my training in Rosetta Stone French.

Chuck I received the text DOCS. Thanks. I am swamped in HW now. But I will try to finish my version of the letter during the three day weekend. Sorry.

Okay guys! I finished a little earlier than expected! Here is my version. I know I changed what some people may have thought were valuable parts so feel free to tell me or Chuck to add or subtract from the letter.

************************************************** *************

Dear Miss Alizée,

As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the world's largest Alizée fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have ____ members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (Numbers/stats about us also suggested by Alex). We are sending you this letter because we want to help you to introduce your amazing music to the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and take your rightful place as the best singer America has ever heard! Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our desires be heard.

Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

Do not be discouraged by all the rap and hip hop music you hear coming from the USA; we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French!

Because French is not a widely spoken language here in America we don't want you to be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a “mega-popstar-hit”, but to reach a reasonable target audience. --Deepwaters, California

In order to slowly introduce yourself into the American pop-culture we’ve devised plans for you to get started:
• Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, Fullerton, California.

• Tour with or open for Madonna! --Fall06, Annandale, Virginia.

• Be on Letterman, O'Brian, Ferguson, Kimmel, or even Leno. If you plan on singing in French, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreign talents.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters.

• Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good, if not better. (That's how most of the members of our forum became fans.) So ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible (if not all of them), all in one website. If those vids included subtitles in Spanish and/or English, like French films, so much the better! --_____

• Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photographers (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______

• Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, a lot of federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps the fabulous Patriot Center, located on the campus of Northern Virginia's George Mason University! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois; BlackAnthem, Virginia.

• What if you just did your entire albums, as you like (mostly or entirely in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of people, once interested, would want to buy multiple discs in any languages, just to hear your incredible voice. --______

• If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love. –Deepwaters, California.

• There are many different TV shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but if you'd drop us a hint, it could greatly help us to help you! --Jess, Paradise, Florida.

We love you Alizée, and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA.

Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong French women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! Know that we are all backing you up and will always be there for you.

[Fall]

i only skimmed but it looks great BA :)
Suddenly California doesnt seem so nice Jalen lol. Maybe we should all move here. Scratch that. Let's all move to France :D

1. Our French club seems intersting, we get to cook (crepes next week), watch movies (you bet your @$$ im going to request Amelie :D), have an updated Facebook group/page, we get club shirts and other stuff like that. Most of the members already speak/are taking French, alas, I am only a beginner besides the Spanish/French connections, but they let me in anyway :D

2. There are several French classes in my school, but this club aint nothin like it. The teacher, (love saying this :wub:) Mademoiselle Purcell (about the same age as Lilly too), is nice but she's not there to teach lol. She interacts as one of us and shares our passion for anything French. I do believe I impressed her by saying I didnt know the language but was learning it as well as being interested in the culture :D. (I guess she expected the usual guy just looking for a few French lessons to impress a girl :rolleyes:)

3. Definitely a French class here, they offer lots of languages actually. They offer Japanese, Spanish, German, Latin, French and American Sign Language and all from beginning to AP level. You can even take academy classes for Korean. Gotta love Lake Braddock Secondary!!! :)

4. There have been budget cuts here though, we no longer get progress reports in the mail, we have to carry them home (psh, like we'd do that in case of a bad grade :p;):D)

[user472884]

Suddenly California doesnt seem so nice Jalen lol. Maybe we should all move here. Scratch that. Let's all move to France :D

you bet your @$$ im going to request Amelie

we have to carry them home

Well, at least Southern California is going to hell in a hand basket, I don't know about the north. My ultimate goal is to move to France, I'm done with the crap this country has done to me. Let's all have a big relocation! I'm thinking "Alizée America, in France!"

Amélie is good, but it's too stereotypical. If you want to see some good French movies, request "Le Papillon" or "Hors de Prix" or even "La vie en rose".

you get progress reports? My school thinks the proper solution to budget cuts is to only send home a progress report if a student has less than 54% in a class....... smart thinkers those school people are...... and yet, my high school was rated one of the best in the country, so much that my city and my school are freaking advertised ALL OVER Korea..

[BlackAnthem]

Thanks Fall06! I forgot one thing. When I was watching Alizee in concert, her concerts and stage were never too big. I'm thinkin', instead of Patriot Center, we should do Wolf Trap. It is a little more upper class, but I think it would suit Alizee just fine:

http://www.wolftrap.org/

So take a look-see and tell me what you think.

[Fall]

Thanks Fall06! I forgot one thing. When I was watching Alizee in concert, her concerts and stage were never too big. I'm thinkin', instead of Patriot Center, we should do Wolf Trap. It is a little more upper class, but I think it would suit Alizee just fine:

http://www.wolftrap.org/

So take a look-see and tell me what you think.

Actually that's a great idea! Patriot Center is a 10,000 seat monster that she may not want to play in and might (ok would) have trouble filling. We went to Wolftrap on a field trip back in elementary school, and it was real nice, not too big, big enough. Scratch the Patriot center, and replace it with Wolftrap then, BA or Chuck. Good to know im not the only one from VA here! :)

[BlackAnthem]

Yeah, maybe I'll see you around. But I don't know who you are. Or do I? I don't know. I'm in Fairfax.

Dear Miss Alizée,

As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the world's largest Alizée fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have ____ members, representing ___ countries, and with ___ new ones joining each month! (Numbers/stats about us also suggested by Alex). We are sending you this letter because we want to help you to introduce your amazing music to the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in the US, and take your rightful place as the best singer America has ever heard! Because of you we have become interested in learning the beautiful French language, and have developed a passion for other French artist as well. Something none of us here in the USA was interested until we found you. You opened our eyes to the beautiful world beyond our sea, and now we can only wish that our desires be heard.

Alizée we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to figure out a way to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

Do not be discouraged by all the rap and hip hop music you hear coming from the USA; we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French!

Because French is not a widely spoken language here in America we don't want you to be discouraged by the fact you don't sing (much) in English. The idea is not to be a “mega-popstar-hit”, but to reach a reasonable target audience. --Deepwaters, California

In order to slowly introduce yourself into the American pop-culture we’ve devised plans for you to get started:
• Appear on a charity telethon or two! --Jalen, Fullerton, California.

• Tour with or open for Madonna! --Fall06, Annandale, Virginia.

• Be on Letterman, O'Brian, Ferguson, Kimmel, or even Leno. If you plan on singing in French, choose a song that can be enjoyed purely for the sound and the visual effect of your performance. (Worked for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, countless other foreign talents.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters.

• Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good, if not better. (That's how most of the members of our forum became fans.) So ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible (if not all of them), all in one website. If those videos included subtitles in Spanish and/or English, like French films, so much the better! --_____

• Go shopping, in Beverly Hills. You don't have to buy anything, just cause a stir. If you need bodyguards, an entourage, nanny service, photographers (all recommended) or anything else, just tweet or drop a hint here. --______

• Consider playing the university circuit. Huge, beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, a lot of federal funding. And besides, students buy the most music! Perhaps Wolf Trap! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois; BlackAnthem, Virginia.

• What if you just did your entire albums, as you like (mostly or entirely in French), then released English-only and Spanish-only versions also? - Exactly the same, but all the lyrics of all the songs replaced with Spanish or English? (I hope I'm not suggesting blasphemy here...) I don't think it sound too crazy - In fact, a lot of people, once interested, would want to buy multiple discs in any languages, just to hear your incredible voice. --______

• If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence. I know you get stage fright and are shy when breaking into a new venue, and America can be intimidating. But you are so lovely, so talented, and so sweet that you have nothing to fear. Let your light shine, and anyone who sees you will fall in love. –Deepwaters, California.

• There are many different TV shows and live events that we would like to request and demand they have you in their show, but it would be pointless unless you are willing to take the chance and come to our country. We respect whatever decision you make Alizée, but if you'd drop us a hint, it could greatly help us to help you! --Jess, Paradise, Florida.

We love you Alizée, and hope you'll find it in your heart to visit us one day, and maybe perform one of your songs for us. It would be an honor for us to have such a beautiful and talented performer come to our country. It would make us very happy to know that you at least think about coming here to the USA.

Be Yourself. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. I think all Americans hold an image of graceful, beautiful, strong French women, yet we know very few faces or names to represent that image. You would fill that void, so to speak, and knock 'em dead! Know that we are all backing you up and will always be there for you.

--The Members of AlizeeAmerica.com

[Chuck]

Anthem, that's looking awesomely great. But it's still going to have to shrink a bit more. Now there's more sig's in the space:

http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/14/21/49/37/letter12.gif

...There's still a few days to go, so get me a signature soon, and it'll be added here! :blink::eek::cool::D

[user472884]

Anthem, that's looking awesomely great. But it's still going to have to shrink a bit more. Now there's more sig's in the space:

http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/14/21/49/37/letter12.gif

...There's still a few days to go, so get me a signature soon, and it'll be added here! :blink::eek::cool::D

I appreciate that you reverted to the original signatures.

a little thing though, I might just be seeing it incorrectly through nyquil goggles (still freaking sick)

"3) Something none of us in the USA was interested until"

Shouldn't it be "Something none of us in the USA were interested in until"?

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two little questions
1. Why is Barret's sig so small?
2. You say there's a few days left, left until what?

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also, for space's concern couldn't you make all the sigs an equal, smaller size of say 70% of what they are now? The sigs aren't as important as the letter is.

[Chuck]

Jalen and Deanej, the language classes and stuff sound pretty challenging there. Esp the O.C. stuff, Jalen -- but don't forget that Koreans and Pacific people are excellent. So is their food! Don't get discouraged (although you don't seem the type), keep trying to change the rules. Or at least get a variance permitted here and there.!.?.

Another movie I'd recommend for French clubs: "A Good Year", w/ Russell Crowe, Marillon Cotillard. Russ inherits a vinyard in France. When he gets there, he can't handle his tiny rented car, and the radio gets stuck on a song that we all know and love. ;) Not a full-blooded, pedigreed French movie I admit, but it was shot on location with mostly french actors.


I appreciate that you reverted to the original signatures.

a little thing though, I might just be seeing it incorrectly through nyquil goggles (still freaking sick)

"3) Something none of us in the USA was interested until"

Shouldn't it be "Something none of us in the USA were interested in until"?

uh, yes, uh :o


two little questions
1. Why is Barret's sig so small?
2. You say there's a few days left, left until what?

also, for space's concern couldn't you make all the sigs an equal, smaller size of say 70% of what they are now? The sigs aren't as important as the letter is.

For your third question, yeah, we can shrink them all, and, when we get more sigs and finalize this, everything will be as equal as possible.

RE Q2 - A few days left until the latest virtual deadline!

RE Q1 - Mr.B wanted us to take out his earlier sig, now preferring "El Pablo Funk". A new secret identity? He may or may not explain at some point, butI'm not bugging him for details. yet. Barrett, don't sweat, we can shrink you down a little more...




EVERYONE:
WE'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS FORUM TO HAVE YOUR SIGNATURES ADDED TO THIS LETTER!


To SUBMIT YOUR SIGNATURE TO BE ADDED:
1) write your signature, on paper or on a computer (if paper, use BLANK WHITE paper ;
2) save it as an image file: jpg, bmp gif, tif, psd, ppk... (use scanner or digital camera if nec.);
3) send that file in! You can still e-mail it to me as an attachment, if you prefer, but first I must say this:


For everyone's peace of mind (and per Lefty's excellent advice), we're recommending you take advantage of a third-party hosting site to get those files to me. If you're already signed up with such a site, you can maybe use them. Otherwise, go to rapidshare.com (4*'s) or megaupload.com (3.5*'s) and follow the simple instructions. WHICHEVER SITE you choose, they'll give you an access code, which you can then pass along to me in a PM.

Or you can post your sig file on this site (then message me so I know where to look)
Or you can still, like, use old-fashioned e-mail to bongovideo@tds.net .

[BlackAnthem]

Ok. Still working on it...

This is really time consuming. Chuck, could you be a little more specific on the date? I would like to know how much time I have to get a final draft in.

[Chuck]

Hey, B. A. - !

Sorry about being vague on the "deadline" date, but it is getting pushed back again, to, um, Monday, the 18th. I gotta file some 1040's this week.

I hate to be soft on deadlines, but Uncle Sam does get the right-of-way here.
(First the deadline was 9/30, then 10/10, and now it's 10/18. That's not too bad...)

Anthem, you're doing excellent. Thanks again! If you need even more time, the deadline can be up to you. Mostly, I'm trying to make noise about getting PEOPLE'S SIGNATURES !!!!!

I'll probably help re-edit your re-edits within a day or two, too. Like the stuff at the end about the stereotypical dreamy french female - that was supposed to get outta there. Also, we were going to mention about G4TV, maybe?

[BlackAnthem]

I would say the G4TV would be up to Alizee. Unfortunately, we don't have the blessing. I nominate...whoever speaks up first. I would personally say 'we saw you on tv.', but the letter isn't from just me.

I don't think I will need more time but thanks for the offer. I want to see what you do with the re-edits. I would like some other input though. Fall06 and Jalen. Let's hear your opinions, maybe even some re-edits of your own.

I say we post a link to this thread on other hot threads to fix the sig problem. I wish we could talk about more stuff to her. I mean ALIZEE IS GOING TO READ THIS AFTER ALL!!! And don't worry about the length.

[user472884]

"A Good Year"
I've seen that as well (isn't netflix awesome?), however yea I wouldn't call it full-blooded French as Amélie. I prefer the French movies that are spoken in solely French

ALIZEE IS GOING TO READ THIS AFTER ALL!!!

Then we can't forget that this absolutely has to be translated into French at one point, which then has to be edited again.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

ALIZEE IS GOING TO READ THIS AFTER ALL!!!

Then we can't forget that this absolutely has to be translated into French at one point, which then has to be edited again.

Why? Do you seriously think she can't read any English?

[Chuck]

Hi Jung!

I think we'll still translate it anyway, for formality's sake. Or credibility? Greater sincerity points?

Won't you sign this, please, J? Pretty please?:o

[user472884]

Why? Do you seriously think she can't read any English?

I'm sure you could drop her off in small town America and she'd find her way home, but just in case ya know? Hell, send both a French and an English copy! Corsu for good measure!

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Plus, if we want Alizée to do something great for us, wouldn't we want to do everything possible to kiss her ass? ....:wub: :D

If I was super-duper famous and I got a letter written in German or Mandarin.... I don't know what I'd do but... you know....

[BlackAnthem]

I found a website to do that for us.

http://www.freetranslation.com/

[user472884]

I found a website to do that for us.

http://www.freetranslation.com/

You have to be careful with online translators....

I thought I once translated something correctly, but after I learned a bit of French I saw that it had translated my text to literally "They am not excited"....


Aren't there a few experienced French speakers registered here willing to take up the cause?

[TheBarrett]

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Plus, if we want Alizée to do something great for us, wouldn't we want to do everything possible to kiss her ass? ....:wub: :D


Not my style as of lately..

[BlackAnthem]

You have to be careful with online translators....

I thought I once translated something correctly, but after I learned a bit of French I saw that it had translated my text to literally "They am not excited"

Yeah I am aware. I am just saying this would be a good base to work off of. Someone can correct it because I can't speak two words in French...:o

[puffyrock2]

I'm sure you could drop her off in small town America and she'd find her way home, but just in case ya know? Hell, send both a French and an English copy! Corsu for good measure!

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Plus, if we want Alizée to do something great for us, wouldn't we want to do everything possible to kiss her ass? ....:wub: :D

If I was super-duper famous and I got a letter written in German or Mandarin.... I don't know what I'd do but... you know....

I'd be on my knees...:p

[user472884]

Yeah I am aware. I am just saying this would be a good base to work off of. Someone can correct it because I can't speak two words in French...:o

touché

thats true

[Jess]

BlackAnthem and Chuck that's a very good editing of the letter to Alizée, I don't know what else you have planned on adding or subtracting, but it's good thus far. As far as the signatures, I'm not 100% sure that's the best thing to do. I mean wouldn't it make the letter more impressive if all active members were included versus 10-20 non legible signatures. The letter does indicate from the world's largest Alizée fan forum. Anyways, just my humble opinion, I guess you can say the signatures make it more personal. Thumbs up for all those that have contributed, may you be blessed with great memories and beautiful music !! ;)

[wasabi622]

well, heres the thing:

we want her to come to America, yes? than obviously for the dramatic effect, i say we send it in english!!

but on the other hand, how fluent is she in english? we all know that she can sing her songs in english, and that she's taken english classes.. but that doesn't cover very much.

it would be pointless to send this to her if she couldn't understand it.. though im positive she's gotten many a letters from fans in english before.

[puffyrock2]

well, heres the thing:

we want her to come to America, yes? than obviously for the dramatic effect, i say we send it in english!!

but on the other hand, how fluent is she in english? we all know that she can sing her songs in english, and that she's taken english classes.. but that doesn't cover very much.

it would be pointless to send this to her if she couldn't understand it.. though im positive she's gotten many a letters from fans in english before.

She simply uses the free translator to get a french version. To her, it might end up looking like:

We at are Alizee of America very much want come to this country and perform. We want to see you do David Letterman and Conan O Brien. Very happy us would coming would be to the USA from our hearts.....

and so on;)

[user472884]

well, heres the thing:

we want her to come to America, yes? than obviously for the dramatic effect, i say we send it in english!!

but on the other hand, how fluent is she in english? we all know that she can sing her songs in english, and that she's taken english classes.. but that doesn't cover very much.

it would be pointless to send this to her if she couldn't understand it.. though im positive she's gotten many a letters from fans in english before.

As I've said before, I think both an English and a French version should be sent.

[BlackAnthem]

I agree. Both. So we are half way done!

[Chuck]

Okay, we can send both versions. I'm re-editing and re-assembling tonight, will post latest doc shortly.

After that, we can probably start translating tomorrow! Unless someone's already started..

As far as concerns (like Jess') that too many or too few signatures might be a problem:
Too few might be bad, but we'll get more.
Too many won't be a problem. We can shrink em down, and even fit thousands!
So don't hesitate, anyone. We'll make room!

Leaving the sigs off altogether, like Jess was proposing, does seem more "fair" to all members of this forum. But our own handwriting at the bottom adds such a real, human element. A decorative element. A sincerity element. And that air of responsibility and legality - we sign this, we swear by it, we mean it. So I vote the sig's should stay. Won't you send yours, too, Jess? ( Never mind, I'll bug you more about it later by MP )

[Alex]

Okay, we can send both versions. I'm re-editing and re-assembling tonight, will post latest doc shortly.

After that, we can probably start translating tomorrow! Unless someone's already started..

As far as concerns (like Jess') that too many or too few signatures might be a problem:
Too few might be bad, but we'll get more.
Too many won't be a problem. We can shrink em down, and even fit thousands!
So don't hesitate, anyone. We'll make room!

Leaving the sigs off altogether, like Jess was proposing, does seem more "fair" to all members of this forum. But our own handwriting at the bottom adds such a real, human element. A decorative element. A sincerity element. And that air of responsibility and legality - we sign this, we swear by it, we mean it. So I vote the sig's should stay. Won't you send yours, too, Jess? ( Never mind, I'll bug you more about it later by MP )

My opinion is if there isn't enough signatures then I would suggest signing it "Alizée America and typing all the members names from the forum", or we could get help from Ben to promote the signature requests on the main page; on the forum and on other threads so members can notice it and be part of this project.:)

[Chuck]

Hey Guys,

I'm here soliciting EVERYONE'S "signatures" - a picture or digital image of your autograph. Just some jpg or similar, to be added to the "Open Letter to Alizée" we're working on. Don't put it off. Do It Today!!!

Then I realized, it's been a while since the instructions were posted. So here they are again!
_________________

"SIGNATURE" INSTRUCTIONS

To submit your signature:
1) write your signature, on paper or on a computer;
2) save it as an image file: jpg, bmp gif, tif, psd, ppk... (use scanner or digital camera if nec.);

3) send that file in!
-> For everyone's peace of mind (and per Lefty's excellent advice), we're recommending you take advantage of a third-party hosting site to get those files to me. If you're already signed up with such a site, you can maybe use them. Otherwise, go to rapidshare.com (4*'s) or megaupload.com (3.5*'s) and follow the simple instructions. WHICHEVER SITE you choose, they'll give you an access code, which you can then pass along to me in a PM.

-> Or you can post your sig file on this site (then message me so I know where to look)

->Or you can still, like, use old-fashioned e-mail to bongovideo@tds.net .



AND I'M BACK, SEVERAL HOURS LATER... WITH THIS: THE NEW SHORTER VERSION OF THE LETTER. Shorter, sweeter, just as complete.


Dear Miss Alizée,

As AlizeeAmerica, the dedicated members of the U.S.'s largest Alizée fan forum, we have to start by saying how much we adore you! We currently have _1245 * members, and approx ____ new members joining each month. (* - Hey, something recently happened to the member lists! I don’t know what happened, or what number to use, or if we should forget about the numbers completely? Better still, we should just start it off by using this opening paragraph from Jess: )


Dear Miss Alizée,

Alizée, we would like to start by letting you know that you already have many fans in the USA. We are very passionate about your music, and would like to extend an invitation and request for you to perform in the USA. We have been very busy trying to think of new ways to promote you here and help you sell more CD's, we would be very happy to receive your approval and or any suggestions from you or your management team as to the best way to do this.

We are sending you this letter because we want to help you to introduce your amazing music to the US. To that end, we pledge our support as your loyal acolytes. Here are our Top Suggestions on how to reach American audiophiles, wow the populace, sell millions of records in US, and further promote your beautiful country and its beautiful culture in the U.S.A.


Consider this website as your home base in the U.S., if you wish! We've already got everything set up. And at your service. (*Ben even said we could say that!*) Touring is still thought to be the best way to sell records, but today The Internet may be just as good. That's how most of the members of our forum became your fans! Ideally, there should be a video clip for as many of the new songs as possible, all in one website. With that in mind, this website hereby volunteers to help host, co-host, or otherwise co-promote your exciting new album in any way we can. --Fall06, Annandale, VA, Ben, et al.

Do not be discouraged by all the rap and hip hop music you hear coming from the USA, we enjoy a great variety of different music styles. In fact the majority of the American fans who belong in the many forums to your name would prefer to hear you sing in French!! Jess, Paradise, FL

Consider playing “smaller” venues. Think about performing for a few hundred in a small, upscale theater. Perhaps Wolf Trap, Ravinia or the FargoDome! --Fall06, Annandale, VA; Wasabi622, Illinois; BlackAnthem, Virginia.

Take a good look at the university circuit. Lots of beautiful halls, students thirsting for culture, nice settings and accommodations for musicians. And besides, students buy the most music! Wasabi622, Illinois, Chuck, Wis.

Appear on a charity telethon or two! Or tour with Madonna! Or duet with Neil Young! --Jalen, Fullerton, CA, Fall06, Annandale, VA, Chuck, Wis.

Be on Letterman, or O'Brian. Or Ferguson, or Kimmel, or even Leno. Or any or all of 'em! (This route has worked wonders for Lily Allen, Kylie Minogue, Dido, Nelly Furtado, and countless other foreign singers.) --BlackAnthem, Deepwaters (+ any other endorsers)*

Be Yourself, Alizée. And stay classy, stay classic, stay French. Americans are noticing you already!


So there. That's more manageable again. More comments? More additions or edits?? More endorsements, anyone?:o

Just to give BIG CREDIT - this version is re-edited down from BLACKANTHEM's big editing works. Thanks again, Anthem! ;)

And keep the signatures coming in, too, we're down to the last week. :mad:

[BlackAnthem]

No problem Chuck. It was a pleasure.

[Jess]

Never mind my comments Chuck, you obviously didn't understand what I thought I was clearly indicating. I guess you can continue holding off on the letter until you have enough signatures, or maybe you can duplicate some to fill in the gaps. Anyways here's my signature if it helps in any way, bonne chance ;-)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc218/JessLab_bucket/Jess-2.png


P.S. I really liked the letter more at #207. Except for some small details like bullets, credits, and "If you drop us a hint" comment. Also the letter doesn't need to be divided into so many paragraphs. Anyways great job guys, hope our dream will come true and we will someday see Alizée performing here for us ;-)

[Chuck]

Sorry, Jess. I semi-understood you, and then proceeded to very poorly misrepresent you when I said you were "against" the sigs. That was ignorant and rude of me. But Thanks Once Again for so graciously coming through here, with the beautiful signature above! As for the #207 version, great! We can backtrack a bit. Re: "If you drop us a hint..." - you'd prefer that part to be back in, I'm assuming? I could never "never mind" your comments, Jess, just be patient..


As Jess and several other folks may already be aware, I sent a few PM's out to people to bug them for signatures. That's been helping bring some more sigs in already.

So if you've already sent your sig, maybe you'd want to send a message or two to others on your friends lists, to try to get their sigs added on, too??? There's still one week to go!

[user472884]

Looking good,

when is this going to be sent? email or snail-mail?

[Jess]

Sorry, Jess. I semi-understood you, and then proceeded to very poorly misrepresent you when I said you were "against" the sigs. That was ignorant and rude of me. But Thanks Once Again for so graciously coming through here, with the beautiful signature above! As for the #207 version, great! We can backtrack a bit. Re: "If you drop us a hint..." - you'd prefer that part to be back in, I'm assuming? I could never "never mind" your comments, Jess, just be patient..


As Jess and several other folks may already be aware, I sent a few PM's out to people to bug them for signatures. That's been helping bring some more sigs in already.

So if you've already sent your sig, maybe you'd want to send a message or two to others on your friends lists, to try to get their sigs added on, too??? There's still one week to go!
That's quite ok Chuck, I'll just have to continue to correct you that's all... which I'm about to do just now. ;)

Note: Everything in P.S. section is referring to the letter on #207: P.S. I really liked the letter more at #207.

Except (Not Included) - Used before a statement that forms an exception to one just made:
Except for some small details like bullets, credits, and "If you drop us a hint" comment. Also the letter doesn't need to be divided into so many paragraphs.

Message to all the members that have contributed to this letter:
Anyways great job guys, hope our dream will come true and we will someday see Alizée performing here for us ;-)

[Chuck]

Okay, we'll try the #207 version. But just so we're clear, I was working from a slightly later version that Anthem had e-mailed me after he put up 207-- it's the attached text file, below. I'll try to fit it in the format we've got, and we'll see, I'm just leery of having to run on to two (or more) pages.

Yes, I'll try to do that, but not right now. Still doin' taxes. Due on Thursday, y'know.

To those sending in sigs within the last couple days - thanks!!! You'll all be included in the next recompilation, too! :D

[user472884]

"If/when you do perform, do whatever it takes to boost your confidence."

I think somebody who has performed all over Europe and in Russia and in Asia would know that by now, no?

[Chuck]

yeh, i was gonna lose that part. sorry, Deep. Jess? Concur?

[Roman]

Sorry, I didn't read any but a bit here and there from this thread...

It was requested that I add my signature to this and while I'm sorry to be a downer having been a ridiculously mesmerized fan of Alizée myself, I must decline because I've been through this with the fan forums and Alizée and this letter comes off as ridiculously naïve considering the history that even I have been a part of (having become a fan at the end of 2006).

First of all, Alizée America was never the most populous nor active fan site. You might be able to say that about American fan sites. Though I'll have to give it to us for being a fan site that has had an awful lot of newbee fans gushing over her big time (I certainly fit that and remained that for a long time). But, we have very little to back up the suggestion that she could have popularity here or the implication that we are going to be particularly significant in helping her out on the big stage. Her support here is less than it used to be and her reputation worse. She certainly does not need body guards anywhere in the US or France. This point can be understood by looking at what you call the Mexican Miracle.

Through the emergence of an internet culture iconified by YouTube and an amazingly successful campaign spearheaded by fans, a great deal of popularity was created within Mexico without Alizée having to do anything. That's so unlikely that we call it a miracle. It's a testament to how good the music was and how attractive she was as a personality. But now, if she is going to do business as usual and rely totally on us, I think it's safe to say it isn't going to happen any more than it has already here. I think her position is that she put out her album and did the things that she did do and that was her attempt. If it didn't work, it didn't work.

Secondly, yes, maybe if she started out small and put in the effort to stay relevant and attempt to grow a fan base she could do something, but either she never had what it takes to do that, acting of her own accord, or she simply hasn't the desire to spend her life that way. Alizée was not able to take much advantage when she had significant popularity and even at the point when her career in France seemed to be on the brink, she had nothing to say let alone give indication that she was prepared to promote herself. Lack of confidence may be cute when one is young and still does a pretty good job, but when one is an adult and expected to deliver, it doesn't work. With the possible exception of Mexico, her career as a big pop star is long since over. With an audience there and professionals hired to arrange things she will show up on tv shows and do concerts, but as for continuously developing a talent and promoting it and herself however she can, as one might expect would be necessary to remain popular or even relevant, she hasn't held up well in that department. The fans need to see what she has to offer and frankly, it hasn't been nearly as much as our expectations or hopes.

Alizée was already a big star. Maybe she just figures it's not worth it to put in that kind of effort just to get somewhere half of where she's already been. She gave it a shot to do things her way and other than in Mexico it didn't lead to much. She has family and friends and a daughter. I don't get the impression that she feels her life is empty without the pursuit of show business. Maybe a certain hunger is simply requisite to "making it" as a performing artist and she doesn't have that hunger. Who knows? Anyway, without some signal from Alizée that she wants to participate in something, what's the point in telling her to be on Leno or something? You might as well tell me to go be on Leno. If she didn't take the greater opportunity in the past, why would she try now?

So, I'd think to simply express support and maybe hint that there is more she could do. But to give her a bunch of suggestions as though she's new to all this work and the idea that she has fans in America? Hmm.

Thirdly, she had the vocals for her album done in April. It would have been impressive and encouraging if she had released the no doubt finished album last summer. However, even the record company she supposedly is working with has nothing to say. So, assuming that she herself would have liked to get it out, either other people who did work on the album have issues and disagreements with how to proceed or the promoters she has chosen to work with are giving her no support. Point is that it seems quite out of her hands. Appealing to her to do this or that may be simply misdirected, as it probably is with the release of this album. Problem there is, who else? A few people have been harassing Jive/Epic on Twitter for months with little results. At least they, unlike Alizée herself, have actually responded. That may in fact reveal the role she has in getting an album out the door -- it's not her job? -- Well it seems like it should be.

In spite of her reputation as being very reserved and tight lipped, Alizée has said quite a bit on various interviews, especially instant-mag2, but there is little precedence of her making the appearance of attempting to communicate with her fans publicly outside of arranged question/answer sessions. She doesn't really give the public the impression of having a career or trying to. So, good luck even confirming that she gets a letter from you, what to say of getting her to take your advice. If it was anyone other than Alizée, I would have stopped paying any attention a long time ago, probably even before reaching the point of disgust with the wait.

I know you probably think, well... what's the harm of trying? I'm certainly not telling anyone to not do something to encourage Alizée or give her ideas, but at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I can only think being very careful and humble is the way to go. It's difficult to think of the right thing to say to her, but I would be much more inclined to put a signature on something along the lines of: Hello Alizée from America! We just wanted to remind you that we have greatly enjoyed your music and your presence in the world. We would simply like to hear your newest album and hope you can find a way to bring it to us soon. And of course, we would be greatly interested if you decide to participate in some concerts or any kind of performance.

We realize that you have a life outside of show business and wish you all luck with whatever endeavors you are engaged in or just the joy of living a simple life. And certainly you have been a big star, have done many performances, and probably have a good idea of how such things are arranged ( we understand that it's not easy ), but if you do have the desire to share something with the public, we hope you do not overlook small opportunities and the myriad of possibilities to develop an audience of fans. We hope you can "find your stride" and a manner of performance that enables you to more often share your talent with us and make our world a little nicer.

As you may know, people who become fans often wish to somehow help promote you, but we are not great in number and what you do is up to you; so with all the possibilities we need a little direction. If you ever feel the need of help from your fans, please don't hesitate to throw out some hints or request ideas from us even.

Thanks again for the light you have brought to our lives.

Pace è salute.

(If that doesn't sound good, sorry it's the best I could do. And that of course should be in French if one actually hopes to get it to Alizée.)

Congratulations! You just made me spend another several hours on one post. I think I have been more inspired by the Alizée phenomenon to do things in the past several years (maybe ever) than anything else (which sadly and admittedly isn't saying much), but I can't help but feel that she needs to be inspired to do something, and a few fans (maybe numbering less than a thousand) gushing over her seems not to be it. Maybe I'm starting to get why Alizée acts the way she does - if there's nothing really good to put out there, why bother talking about it?

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[deanej]

Has Alizée ever considered going digital-only? There are plenty of successful artists (like Jonathan Coulton) that distribute only via the Internet and so never need to sign on with a record company. That might be a better route for Alizée.

[Junkmale]

I am very inclined to agree with 99.9% of what Roman has said in his very well thought out post.
I to don't want to sound like i am 'knocking' the efforts of Chuck or those that have contributed to the 'Open Letter' project. And i fully agree with the 'why not' attitude.
We have to face facts.
Some of the letter (IMHO) dosen't really make much sense i.e. go on tour with Madonna? Yeah, like that's going to happen anytime soon? I can almost imagine that conversation:-
Alizee's management - 'Hello, we represent a French singer, who's sort of popular in Mexico and you used to be Popular in France. We were wondering if she could tour with Madge'
Madonna's management - 'Goodbye'
There is no harm in dreaming, but it's not going to happen. Ever!
If Alizee's new album is to be released, and it is a big 'if' it will flop. No question.
We all love her but she dosen't want to promote and she certainly dosen't want to tour ( the Moscow concert is proof of that). If she does neither then it will not sell.
She's not prepared to do the hard work it would take to relauch her career (in France) anyway. I can't see her playing in front of 300 at some seedy French Venue any time soon. And that unfortunately is what it would take. Going back to small venues and putting in many many hours of hard graft.
The Mexican thing was a fluke. A nice fluke, but a fluke nonetheless.
When and if the album is released, it will be her last.
Sad, but i'm convinced, true.

[Jess]

Sorry, I didn't read any but a bit here and there from this thread...

It was requested that I add my signature to this and while I'm sorry to be a downer having been a ridiculously mesmerized fan of Alizée myself, I must decline because I've been through this with the fan forums and Alizée and this letter comes off as ridiculously naïve considering the history that even I have been a part of (having become a fan at the end of 2006).

First of all, Alizée America was never the most populous nor active fan site. You might be able to say that about American fan sites. Though I'll have to give it to us for being a fan site that has had an awful lot of newbee fans gushing over her big time (I certainly fit that and remained that for a long time). But, we have very little to back up the suggestion that she could have popularity here or the implication that we are going to be particularly significant in helping her out on the big stage. Her support here is less than it used to be and her reputation worse. She certainly does not need body guards anywhere in the US or France. This point can be understood by looking at what you call the Mexican Miracle.

Through the emergence of an internet culture iconified by YouTube and an amazingly successful campaign spearheaded by fans, a great deal of popularity was created within Mexico without Alizée having to do anything. That's so unlikely that we call it a miracle. It's a testament to how good the music was and how attractive she was as a personality. But now, if she is going to do business as usual and rely totally on us, I think it's safe to say it isn't going to happen any more than it has already here. I think her position is that she put out her album and did the things that she did do and that was her attempt. If it didn't work, it didn't work.

Secondly, yes, maybe if she started out small and put in the effort to stay relevant and attempt to grow a fan base she could do something, but either she never had what it takes to do that, acting of her own accord, or she simply hasn't the desire to spend her life that way. Alizée was not able to take much advantage when she had significant popularity and even at the point when her career in France seemed to be on the brink, she had nothing to say let alone give indication that she was prepared to promote herself. Lack of confidence may be cute when one is young and still does a pretty good job, but when one is an adult and expected to deliver, it doesn't work. With the possible exception of Mexico, her career as a big pop star is long since over. With an audience there and professionals hired to arrange things she will show up on tv shows and do concerts, but as for continuously developing a talent and promoting it and herself however she can, as one might expect would be necessary to remain popular or even relevant, she hasn't held up well in that department. The fans need to see what she has to offer and frankly, it hasn't been nearly as much as our expectations or hopes.

Alizée was already a big star. Maybe she just figures it's not worth it to put in that kind of effort just to get somewhere half of where she's already been. She gave it a shot to do things her way and other than in Mexico it didn't lead to much. She has family and friends and a daughter. I don't get the impression that she feels her life is empty without the pursuit of show business. Maybe a certain hunger is simply requisite to "making it" as a performing artist and she doesn't have that hunger. Who knows? Anyway, without some signal from Alizée that she wants to participate in something, what's the point in telling her to be on Leno or something? You might as well tell me to go be on Leno. If she didn't take the greater opportunity in the past, why would she try now?

So, I'd think to simply express support and maybe hint that there is more she could do. But to give her a bunch of suggestions as though she's new to all this work and the idea that she has fans in America? Hmm.

Thirdly, she had the vocals for her album done in April. It would have been impressive and encouraging if she had released the no doubt finished album last summer. However, even the record company she supposedly is working with has nothing to say. So, assuming that she herself would have liked to get it out, either other people who did work on the album have issues and disagreements with how to proceed or the promoters she has chosen to work with are giving her no support. Point is that it seems quite out of her hands. Appealing to her to do this or that may be simply misdirected, as it probably is with the release of this album. Problem there is, who else? A few people have been harassing Jive/Epic on Twitter for months with little results. At least they, unlike Alizée herself, have actually responded. That may in fact reveal the role she has in getting an album out the door -- it's not her job? -- Well it seems like it should be.

In spite of her reputation as being very reserved and tight lipped, Alizée has said quite a bit on various interviews, especially instant-mag2, but there is little precedence of her making the appearance of attempting to communicate with her fans publicly outside of arranged question/answer sessions. She doesn't really give the public the impression of having a career or trying to. So, good luck even confirming that she gets a letter from you, what to say of getting her to take your advice. If it was anyone other than Alizée, I would have stopped paying any attention a long time ago, probably even before reaching the point of disgust with the wait.

I know you probably think, well... what's the harm of trying? I'm certainly not telling anyone to not do something to encourage Alizée or give her ideas, but at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I can only think being very careful and humble is the way to go. It's difficult to think of the right thing to say to her, but I would be much more inclined to put a signature on something along the lines of: Hello Alizée from America! We just wanted to remind you that we have greatly enjoyed your music and your presence in the world. We would simply like to hear your newest album and hope you can find a way to bring it to us soon. And of course, we would be greatly interested if you decide to participate in some concerts or any kind of performance.

We realize that you have a life outside of show business and wish you all luck with whatever endeavors you are engaged in or just the joy of living a simple life. And certainly you have been a big star, have done many performances, and probably have a good idea of how such things are arranged ( we understand that it's not easy ), but if you do have the desire to share something with the public, we hope you do not overlook small opportunities and the myriad of possibilities to develop an audience of fans. We hope you can "find your stride" and a manner of performance that enables you to more often share your talent with us and make our world a little nicer.

As you may know, people who become fans often wish to somehow help promote you, but we are not great in number and what you do is up to you; so with all the possibilities we need a little direction. If you ever feel the need of help from your fans, please don't hesitate to throw out some hints or request ideas from us even.

Thanks again for the light you have brought to our lives.

Pace è salute.

(If that doesn't sound good, sorry it's the best I could do. And that of course should be in French if one actually hopes to get it to Alizée.)

Congratulations! You just made me spend another several hours on one post. I think I have been more inspired by the Alizée phenomenon to do things in the past several years (maybe ever) than anything else (which sadly and admittedly isn't saying much), but I can't help but feel that she needs to be inspired to do something, and a few fans (maybe numbering less than a thousand) gushing over her seems not to be it. Maybe I'm starting to get why Alizée acts the way she does - if there's nothing really good to put out there, why bother talking about it?

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I am very inclined to agree with 99.9% of what Roman has said in his very well thought out post.
I to don't want to sound like i am 'knocking' the efforts of Chuck or those that have contributed to the 'Open Letter' project. And i fully agree with the 'why not' attitude.
We have to face facts.
Some of the letter (IMHO) dosen't really make much sense i.e. go on tour with Madonna? Yeah, like that's going to happen anytime soon? I can almost imagine that conversation:-
Alizee's management - 'Hello, we represent a French singer, who's sort of popular in Mexico and you used to be Popular in France. We were wondering if she could tour with Madge'
Madonna's management - 'Goodbye'
There is no harm in dreaming, but it's not going to happen. Ever!
If Alizee's new album is to be released, and it is a big 'if' it will flop. No question.
We all love her but she dosen't want to promote and she certainly dosen't want to tour ( the Moscow concert is proof of that). If she does neither then it will not sell.
She's not prepared to do the hard work it would take to relauch her career (in France) anyway. I can't see her playing in front of 300 at some seedy French Venue any time soon. And that unfortunately is what it would take. Going back to small venues and putting in many many hours of hard graft.
The Mexican thing was a fluke. A nice fluke, but a fluke nonetheless.
When and if the album is released, it will be her last.
Sad, but i'm convinced, true.
Well, here goes my opinion on this subject hope I don't insult anyone too much, not my intention. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and we should be mature enough to respect that even though we might not agree. The thing that I notice the most is for the most part everyone who voices their own opinion forgets that there's others with there own opinion as well which might differ from ours. For whatever reason we tend to think that our own opinion is the only right conclusion or maybe the best explanation there is.

But there's more then one way to see things, I remember when Alizée first came out with Psychedelices I was personally disappointed. I was waiting for something magical and greater then her previous two albums. She was supposed to be more mature and more classy, and I guess I was expecting too much. Never the less once I stopped to think and listened to others opinions I realized that to others she was everything they expected. I gave her album another chance and her music wasn't that bad. I'll admit I wasn't as impressed as others, but taking in consideration that it was her first album she did pretty good I think.

Sure she has a lot of honing to do to better her career, and sure she lacks the experience and common business sense that others might have already. For the most part most other artist don't need all this because they have good managers and promoters who take care of everything for them. I really don't know what exactly her situation is as far as this, she could use some guidance no question about that. As far as her lack of communication and proper business practice, we really don't know the reasons why. I guess it's pretty much open to interpretation right now. Those that love her will give her the benefit of the doubt, and those that are fed up will think otherwise.

I can understand either of these two points, but there's some I really don't understand. Let me just clarify that this is not directed to Roman or Junkmale thus far, but there's some members who I've noticed are going around the Alizée community posting negative comments about Alizée. I mean once you acknowledge that you're fed up why would you still hang around and continue to post your discontent. Why waste your precious time when you can be having a great time doing something else. Life is too short, enjoy yourselves, have fun, seek the things that make you happy !!

She's now trying to find her own way through life and her career and I respect that. I encourage her to continue developing her career and her own taste in music, even though not everyone will like it. I also have enough sense to know that it's all a matter of our own taste, and I for one respect that. As for encouraging her in a forum letter, that's the least we can do after all the positive energy and pleasurable moments that she's brought us. Besides that's part of what forums are all about, if we can't encourage and support our artist then we might as well fold our tent and close the shop.

We can however make suggestions as to this letter which is pretty much what Chuck has been asking us all along, from what I can tell this letter is not sealed yet and both of you guys have valid points. I agree with the removal of the "Madonna" suggestion and the "do whatever it takes to boost your confidence" comment. Anybody else that has suggestions should voice them now as well, don't keep your mouth shut and then try to come in here complaining about something that's already done if you haven't added your opinion because you will get an eye full of colorful stuff capiche ;-)

All I'm going to add is this: Alizée changed my life forever. She captivated me with her music, her voice, her dance, her smile, and her eyes full of sparkle. Because of her I developed an interest and respect for other languages and cultures. I now have a passion for foreign music and movies, and the artist. Now more then ever I have a huge desire to travel the world to meet other people. She opened my eyes to a really big world that otherwise I was not interested in. I am forever in debt with her, for my life is twice as sweet now thanks to her !!

Thanks to her I now listen to music in 10 different languages, so I'm not really sitting down waiting for her album to come, it will come when it will come. As far as any cancelation and postponement of her album, there's a lot of artist who have done the same thing and who have canceled their concerts as well. The artist of the month on my website has been postponing her new album since the beginning of the year, her single was released in February and the album is still not out yet. I can go on and on, and even post examples of other artists but I think this is good enough for now. Sorry Chuck for all the OT I just thought this was really necessary.

[Roman]

"Why waste your precious time when you can be having a great time doing something else. Life is too short, enjoy yourselves, have fun, seek the things that make you happy !!" - In other words, if you can't contribute positively go away. Well, I can't disagree with that. I was essentially telling people that in like May 2008 when people were saying that Alizée wasn't doing enough and we were talking about attempts to promote her. I haven't contributed until yesterday because it's really hard to see how it is worth the time. Just to let you know... Until I see that the fan community is moving beyond wishful thinking and naive misunderstanding of what effect some effort will have, it's hard to take anyone here seriously. I've done no better; so I'm not one to criticize, but I'm just telling you why I don't participate in the forums as much anymore. I don't see evidence of it going anywhere. It's just the same old thing at best. Also, I'm afraid of saying something that seems negative as I now have. But that's the thing, unless the fan forums actually have some encouragement and reason to think that their efforts will get somewhere, no one will make a significant effort and it will be nothing but head in the clouds for the few new fans slightly sparked toward action. Yes, that is MY opinion. I do not speak for anyone else.

I do think that Alizée has enough talent that she could have a place in the musical industry, but she would need to find a way to work that demonstrates reliability. Until then, few will want to put in the effort to promote or otherwise support her when it appears that she will just disappear again and no one will send any regular encouragement to her fans. Alizée is great! All hail Alizée! But if she's not even there to see the hail, it's just like worshiping a deity made of stone. I am not really a man of faith given nothing but weak and rare promises that can't be kept. Maybe I suck, maybe I need to "get a life". Ok, fine.

Go to http://www.psychedeclips.com/ and you will see that at one time an attempt was made to engage the fan community. It never went anywhere. Who's fault was that? Ours or "theirs"? I know some people uploaded something, but I don't know if anything really good was ever sent. So you see, if no significant response was made to that, then maybe Alizée has little reason to think that her fans are going to do much to support her. I don't know. Maybe she does not believe that letters professing our love are meaningful to her career, that it will bring her back to enough sales to even pay for the effort of making albums and videos. She may be right.

Still, you got my opinion on what to say in a letter finally. And, if indeed someone has a way of translating such a letter and getting it to her, go for it. I will even help with the translation if necessary (you'd have to PM me), though I don't think my ability to translate to French is sufficient for such a thing. And if you are going to get discouraged when you see that it had no effect, then yes, you might as well close up shop right now because you are going to need a lot more strength of "constitution" to be an Alizée fan in 2009.

Ok, enough of that bla bla. Make a letter that doesn't sound ridiculous and I will sign it. Good enough?

[user472884]

whoa

when did this turn from a happy, optimistic project we can all contribute to (whether worthwhile or not) to freaking "nothing we do will matter"? :)

[Roman]

whoa

when did this turn from a happy, optimistic project we can all contribute to (whether worthwhile or not) to freaking "nothing we do will matter"? :)
Sorry. I couldn't help myself. I have problems. Please continue.

[Chuck]

Ok, enough of that bla bla. Make a letter that doesn't sound ridiculous and I will sign it. Good enough?

Dear Roman, and Junkmale, too -
I swear we won't let this letter go if there's anything remotely ridiculous remaining. Really! Jess will help see to that. Respect is the key word. Roman, you don't have problems. You've got friends.

Jalen - Different opinions are always welcome. Roman's and Jalen' s opinions are extremely valid, and their rationale is legit. Junkmale predicts the new album will be Alizée's last, and he could turn out to be right. It's tempting to just agree....

But then again, if things are that dire, why shouldn't we want to do something now? This letter, from members of This Forum, offers a few words of encouragement and reassurance that possibilities exist for Lilly in the U.S. And it pledges our continued cooperation and support. There may be dissenters, but I think those are the sentiments of most of us. This letter project is a small thing, mostly symbolic, and yes, perhaps even naïve. But we'll finish it anyway, then we'll move on to something smarter.

Jess. Beautiful prose just flows from you. I must admit, Alizée's changed my life a bit, too. I particularly like the way you "accidentally" refer to Psych as her first album. In many way, I agree, that was her first album. And maybe, once she has a "second" one under her belt, she will have more material to validate her as having "arrived" - as a legitimate, mature, singular, solo artist. And having enough material for a concert without needing to rent the rights for half your songs from Mylène? Priceless, in my opinion.


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ps, finished the taxes, now gotta go rest. Back in later.
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[Junkmale]

Chuck,

Very well put, my friend.
I meant no offence with my comment and i do hope that none was taken?
As you say, all are entitled to their opinion and one is just as valid as the other.
Your efforts on this project are commendable, i just don't think that it will do any good whatsoever.
Alizee will do as Alizee has always done i.e. what she wants.
She clearly dosen't want to communicate with her fans, allthough i'm sure she knows that we are out here and she appreciates it. But for her (i think) it ends there.
I honestly believe that unless the new album is a sucess, and, let's be honest, everything so far is pointing to the fact that that will not be the case, it will be her last. I just don't think that she is really interested anymore? I keep coming back to the Moscow concert but can anyone honestly say after watching it that that was an artist enjoying herself? I could be wrong and hope that i am.
As for the delay in it's release we all have an opinion on that one and mine is this-
Rep from Jive/Epic - ' OK Alizee, the album is ready to go, now what about a tour to promote?'
Alizee - 'Eh....no....'
Rep from Jive/Epic - 'Um...right then.....'

I don't want to be critical of her but when critiscim is justified (like after the Grand Rex fiasco) then some things just have to be said.

[Fall]

some ppl were talking about her touring with other French artists like Yelle, of whom ive never heard of :confused: but it would be a start. but also we have to think about whether or not she (and her label and others) would like to do it. If i had to choose somebody for her to tour with, id say Madonna. it would be a win win situation cause it would be a dream come true for Alizée (most importantly), a dream come true for us to see her here :wub:, and a small plus for Madonna for the extra ticket sales. what do you guys think?

i feel mine is a rather weak/last option idea that we should think about and modify a little more to make it stronger . I posted this a while ago, some liked it some didnt. Put it up if you want Chuck. But reflecting on this now though, it would be nice to see a Madonna concert and all that, but im not really interested in her lol. Plus it would kinda suck to only see Alizée do a song or two and Madonna for the rest, but better than not seeing her here at all right? so like i said, lets think about it (my quote) more and change it up a bit *ahem savvy members*

I defend my idea of touring with Madonna, Junk. Sorta :blink:. I had already said it would be a long shot. I had already said we should modify it before we put it on the letter. But I think she could pull it off. :cool: But talk to those editing the letter to remove the suggestion.

[user472884]

I also don't agree with the "touring with Madonna" thing.... it's a good idea but it's not going to happen. That'd be like me be touring with Elton John, it'd be cool but unlikely.

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man, this went from "Let's beg Alizée to come to America" to "We're pretty sure Alizée's career ends here".........