[2010-03-06] Alizée in LIBÉRATION NEXT Magazine

[Sir Wood]

Per Jive Epic Alizée will be in the Libération Next magazine in news stands tomorrow. :cool:
@Jive_Epic [Alizée] Libération Next - demain dans les kiosques http://twitpic.com/16ppnm

http://www.nidalizee.com/news/48_image.JPG
Image source: http://www.nidalizee.com

[AlphaDevil2]

Do you know what the funny thing is?

I just posted that picture in the picture thread at exactly the same time! :blink:

[Sir Wood]

Do you know what the funny thing is?

I just posted that picture in the picture thread at exactly the same time! :blink:
Great minds think alike. ;)

[Bigdan]

:blink: OMFG !!! I love this picture !!!:wub:

[FanDeAliFee]

:blink: OMFG !!! I love this picture !!!:wub:

<big><big>By the way, for those of you who are a bit behind the curve, that demure acronym in the quote above was a <i>devotional acclamation</i> referring to <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YuDl2Wl651AC&pg=PA405&dq=%22hieros+gamos%22#v=onepage&q=%22hieros%20gamos%22&f=false"><i>Hieros Gamos</i></a>. And if you read the material just linked, you will at last begin to understand what the masks and the black-and-white color theme in <i>Mademoiselle Juliette</i> were <i>really</i> about.

Bless you, Bigdan.
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[Bigdan]

Bless you, Bigdan.

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Thanks alot...( even if I don't get it all on this one...:confused:)





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[Deepwaters]

Thanks alot...( even if I don't get it all on this one...:confused:).

I believe the acronym he was referring to was your "OMFG" which stands for "Oh my F_______g God" and is of course rather vulgar. By calling it a "demure" acronym that is actually a "devotional acclamation referring to the Hieros Gamos" and the references to symbolism in the MJ video, he was being a total smartass. :p

EDIT: if the above wasn't clear, he was taking the F word in OMFG literally rather than as an expletive, hence the link to the stuff from The Da Vinci Code and ancient sexual/spiritual symbolism.

[FanDeAliFee]

I believe the acronym he was referring to was your "OMFG" which stands for...

Bless you, Deepwaters

(signed) a holy terror and total smartass

[Aldighieri]

Woah! O_o ..........

[Nafas]

<big><big>By the way, for those of you who are a bit behind the curve, that demure acronym in the quote above was a <i>devotional acclamation</i> referring to <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YuDl2Wl651AC&pg=PA405&dq=%22hieros+gamos%22#v=onepage&q=%22hieros%20gamos%22&f=false"><i>Hieros Gamos</i></a>. And if you read the material just linked, you will at last begin to understand what the masks and the black-and-white color theme in <i>Mademoiselle Juliette</i> were <i>really</i> about.

Bless you, Bigdan.
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Please explain the symbolism in Mademoiselle Juliette. I know black and white tiles, checkboard formation are masonic symbols, but I dont know what it means... also the venezian masks, what do they mean? is it a symbol for having no soul or personalitiy, like robots?

i dunno, plz help me :)

- Nafas

[Ben]

Here's the mag for sale: http://www.journaux.fr/revue.php?id=142582

[Fenris]

Scans from AF:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4801/lib.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/lib.jpg/)http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8651/lib2q.th.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/lib2q.jpg/)http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8873/lib3.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/lib3.jpg/)http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3905/lib4.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/lib4.jpg/)http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1381/lib5.th.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/lib5.jpg/)http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1273/lib6h.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/i/lib6h.jpg/)

[lefty12357]

Wow, I never thought I'd see her bellybutton again ! ;) That pic is amazing...

It's a far cry from the early Psych pics where she seemed to be lost somewhere between a woman and a little girl. She is focusing her look now on the adult Alizée.

[User22]

It's a far cry from the early Psych pics where she seemed to be lost somewhere between a woman and a little girl. She is focusing her look now on the adult Alizée.

I'm glad she no longer has the view that after showing so much from the MF years, that she has to look 40 and cover everything up. So yah....this is a really good look for her I think:wub:....and again "SHE'S SO HOT!!!":D

[Criss_pl]

So it's SHE??????
OOOOMG I just can't believe.
I was curious what those photos are here for. Then I was struck: It's really she.
So after my jaw dropped, I made a quick look over an article.
I haven't known that she plays golf and she's very good at poker:)

[Deepwaters]

Working on a translation. I'll have page 1 up soon.

[Ben]

Alternate scans from nidalizee (smaller, but cleaner): http://www.nidalizee.com/presse/Liberation-Next-n%b024/

Hmm, don't really care for that last pic, but the other two are great. Thanks in advance for the translation, Deep. :)

[lefty12357]

I agree Ben. I'm not fond of the last pic either. Kinda like I said before, it looks common to me, with no "Alizéeishness" in it. The other two are really good.

[Deepwaters]

Alizée, metamorphosed
<O:p</O:p
In 2000, a 15-year-old girl conquered the hit parades. Her freshness could decline, she endures. Today a wife and mother, the ex-Lolita returns with a fourth album, Une enfant du siècle, composed by the cream of the Parisian underground. Meet her.
<O:p</O:p
This winter afternoon in a chic, deserted Parisian café, one finds amusing women’s appearances. Or rather, strangely, adolescent traits on women’s faces. The fault of lips too red, hair too carefully dressed, conversation cool, adult. To say that one believes that so many people are in such a hurry to be – cool, adult. Save Alizée, whom we have known almost ten years since her appearance as “Lolita” at age 16, sold to us by Mylène Farmer.

This was before Britney Spears, Lorie, Miley Cyrus and a whole continent of bimbos who have wised up the world concerning the supposed innocence of young girls. Those who still believe in that and haven’t read Nabokov, have trouble with Alizée, who, strangely, has not followed the same path. She had a tasteful air (and wise, too). Her jiggles in socks and barrettes, if they displayed her thighs, offered neither deep décolletage nor teasing moues.

After three records of diminishing success (since her liberation from the disillusioned redhead), a marriage (Jérémy Chatelain, ex-Star Ac’ of the mincing pretty-boy style of the ‘00s) and a daughter (Annily, going on 5 years old), Alizée, good mother and good child of parents still living in Ajaccio, where she grew up, returns with a fourth album haunted by Edie Sedgwick. That is, that tornado of the anxious ‘60s, the flamboyant heiress who dragged her ennui, her beauty and her fantasies of the muse through the streets of New York and in the shade (too big for her) of Andy Warhol. She died young of excess and wild nights.

Alizée, as one supposes, and as she confirms, is the opposite of Edie. Never in danger of intoxication with controlled substances, and rarely with alcohol. “I have chosen other things, family, work.” And she also finds herself, at the same time, at the opposite end from the artist she was 10 years ago. Square, honest, not so laid-back, easily confessing her lack of education or at least her limited, “mainsream” culture. In brief: she does not pretend to be someone else than Alizée, 25 years old, a popular singer. It’s unusual to cultivate her patch of garden; those who receive the love of the public cannot hope for that of the critics, or vice-versa, you can't have your cake and eat it too.


Is that all, Alizée? Almost. We shall see.

It all starts with her next-to-last album, Psychédélices, on which she collaborated with Oxmo Puccino, Bertrand Buggalat, Daniel Darc and Jean Fauque. The lyricist for Bashung, Fauque wrote a song, Fifty-Sixty, inspired by Sedgwick and by his own sister, Maripol (the New York muse and creatrice who worked with Madonna and Basquiat, and who encountered Alizée in the past, in the time of Mylène Farmer – it’s a small world). She liked this song so much, Alizée, that she arranged (and made into a single) a remix intended for clubs, and gave the job through intermediaries to David Rubato. Who, in unconscious vision, slowed down and chopped up the song instead of shaking it up, and it exploded. So it emerged: a gliding object, elegiac, spectacular enough, accompanied by a quasi-gothic, spooky video. Alizée adored it.

CATCHY MELODIES, HEAVY DRUMS
<O:p</O:p
From this, it all began. It made the rounds of the underground Parisian circle, via Rubato and the Institubes label, via Jean-René Etienne, finally by assembling a dozen musicians, producers or cinematists at the frontier of hip-hop, electro and pop. They all came together around Alizée and took possession, for her, of the New York myth of Edie S. Who was made more the dream of nostalgic young people who had not been born in her lifetime.

And that clique, through the challenge to wrap up, to shut the door on, the young/already old Alizée, an album to return in grace, and (at times) to captivate and depress alike the general public, the sly and the oafish. In the space that the cunning album was able to deliver, full of the future and of urgency, behold Un enfant du siècle. A trick the likes of which no one has dared since Lio, Jackie Quartz, Jeanne Mas. One rarely hears something like this. Of the true variety, of the French song, when one is more accustomed to seeing its place (of popularity) taken by hip-hop, electro, dance.

But anyway.

[Fenris]

Many thanks Deep, i know this is a lot of work!

[Bigdan]

It’s unusual to cultivate her patch of garden; those who receive the love of the public cannot hope for that of the critics, or vice-versa, and so, the bottom of the garden. [need some help with this idiom I think]

The jounalist allude to a french idiom " to have the butter, the money of the butter and the bottom of the cheese seller " ( that's pretty strange after translation :D)
its mean that you want impossible things, that you can't have the benefits of a situation and the benefits you would have if you had made the opposite choice.... clear?

"to have the butter and the money of the butter" is the traditionnal idiom. " and The bottom of the cheese seller" is a rather vulgar addition...

[Deepwaters]

So much grace Aliziénne, that the gang of pop hussards at the magazine Technikart who presented Alizée in the role of Madonna, could ask her an essential question. Calculated. Ultra-cunning. What a beautiful operation/mission this was, frankly, for underground artists, to render desirable and respected a singer considered, up to now, by the same underground, ultra-passé. So much more fitting that, through eighties glorification and the sniggering of strictness, the époque is, somehow, ready to consecrate Alizée. Such an “out” singer as she could be, better that a moderately swinging star from day before yesterday become so super-“in.” In the modern manner. An indefinable mixture of nostalgia, ingenuousness, cynicism, enthusiasm, and the capacity to zap.

GEEK AND POKER CHAMPION
<O:p</O:p
Whatever. Regarding Alizée, we diverge from the subject. Or rather, we muck about. The cliques are not so self-defiant, or hardly genres, that they mix. Distinguished/common, elite/popular, everyone can be everything. Or seem to be.
<O:p</O:p
Consider instead Alizée, like one of the symbols (barely displayed in the media) of youth urged to be great, who, in addition to not being stoned, tells and retells of her modesty and lack of cultivation. And her pleasure also, her talent, and the tricks of guys. The ex-Lolita, did you know, is: super good at video games, a real geek, into golf which she plays with her husband, and above all, poker champion, who already beat “all of Jérémy’s pals.”
<O:p</O:p
One imagines her with a smoking Colt revolver, an unrecognized Calamity Jane. Her father was a computer scientist, her mother a businessperson. She has nothing to do with art, everything to do with the “mainstream.” She loves it all so much (her parents, the “mainstream”) she was hardly rebellious, crazy, a free wheel. She laughs: “Maybe when I’m 30. I don’t have anything to fight against. Never have, in fact.” Her standards, she repeats again and again, carry her through the profession. The career. One will say that she speaks of another profession, another career. It is not that common, in this era of apparent facility, to say that one is not afraid of effort. That one is not, naturally, a cool girl.
<O:p</O:p
To hold the mode. She adores Chanel, of which she buys a lot, and often, at a boutique on the rue Cambon. Her dream is to assist at a parade signed by Lagerfeld. [??] She will not ask. Too proud for that. Too afraid to guess, and perhaps to be wrong, if her name will cross over the barrier of Coco chic. This is practically her only weakness: her sole concession to snobbery.
<O:p</O:p
PROFESSIONAL CONFIDENCE
<O:p</O:p
For the rest, she accepts everything. From the school of Mylène, where she studied seriously, learning the secrets of marketing, photography sessions, interviews. Not so easy. “Yes it was, too” she says, to be the girl of the hits, that is. An artist who endures, that’s another thing. “When it’s about the music, the visual, the text, I always think of my public. If it’s too pointed, if I don’t understand it, if it goes to far towards the intellectual side, I say no.” She knows she is obsessed with control, a bit of a pain in the neck, knowing exactly what she wants (and doesn’t). She smiles. “Yes, I don’t let go of affairs.” She interrogates herself, with the same sincerity, on how those who have been given so much already smash themselves, to follow the movement, to be there, to think of everything, to be busy with her life, with her husband, with her daughter (since becoming a mother, she avows herself a feminist – from head to toe).
<O:p</O:p
One discovers her, who reveals herself so little, through some tattoos on her so-white body. The cuts of a life already written at length. On her left wrist, in Hebrew, the first name of her husband, and on the same wrist the inscription 2A (the department of South Corsica), and on the inside of her right forearm her daughter drawn in Manga, and on the back a Tinkerbell in pastel. Her guardian angel, she avows, is that Tinkerbell, the girlfriend of Peter Pan, discrete, a little jealous. And despite the years that have passed: eternally young.

Edit:

The jounalist allude to a french idiom " to have the butter, the money of the butter and the bottom of the cheese seller " ( that's pretty strange after translation :D)
its mean that you want impossible things, that you can't have the benefits of a situation and the benefits you would have if you had made the opposite choice.... clear?

"to have the butter and the money of the butter" is the traditionnal idiom. " and The bottom of the cheese seller" is a rather vulgar addition...

Thanks, Dan. It sounds like the equivalent English idiom is "you can't have your cake and eat it too," and I've so corrected the translation.

OK, I have to say here: some of this stuff is bullshit. Mainstream? Low-brow? No, it's not. Maybe she does think of herself that way, but if so, she deceives herself. That does not describe either the photos or the music we've seen/heard coming from this new effort so far. It's nuanced, complex, a bit dark and gothic.

Maybe she just means that she doesn't have a highly-educated person's sophisticated perception, but that kind of sophistication can actually be a hindrance to real creativity as easily as a help.

[SDB]

the cream of the Parisian underground.


Hmm, maybe bad choice of words, or difference in taste, but the cream of Parisien underground has to be Emmanuel Dauchez (http://www.myspace.com/manulemalin)

[Bigdan]

I see you did not translate this part : ( about the album)
"keyboards layers roll out like chantilly , melodies are catchy, drums rather heavy, in waterfall, voice sometimes girly, sometimes "Farmerised" (sweet bottom school left marks...) We can hear something rare...


;)

[Deepwaters]

C'est vrai, Dan. The last paragraph looked like a list of people who worked on the album so I didn't bother. I guess there was some poetic language in there, too, though. Thanks again. :cool:

[User22]

Hey great job Deep! Keep it coming:D

[Rev]

Alizée, metamorphosed ......


Deep. Thanks very much. That was a lot of work. :)

[FanDeAliFee]

Please explain the symbolism in Mademoiselle Juliette. I know black and white tiles, check[er]board formation are masonic symbols, but I dont know what it means... also the venezian masks, what do they mean? is it a symbol for having no soul or personalitiy, like robots?

i dunno, plz help me :)

- Nafas

Thank you for your interest in the arcane but I hope strangely plausible <a href="http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/docdtv/Alizee/">readings</a> I try to do of Alizée's public persona and her artistic endeavors. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia">Camille Paglia</a> has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dibs">"dibs"</a> on Madonna - and takes herself too seriously - so I decided to work on the Corsican girl. ;) )

Sadly, I have not had the time to complete a thorough essay about <i>Mademoiselle Juliette</i>. Who knows when I will? But other people have put forth ideas here at AAm which you can read. (Use the "search" function to find them.) And it seems you are actively thinking about these things yourself. Perhaps you will write the best explanation!

<table width="75%" align="center" border="5" cellpadding="5"><tr><td><center><i><big>Mademoiselle Juliette</big></i></center>
<i>...I go into that mansion as a visitor. At the foundation of Romeo and Juliette, there are two families: The Montagues and the Capulets. I didn't want to portray the boring story of their battle, so the families are represented by two colours: white and black. Juliette doesn't want to choose between the two and in the end she only makes one.

In the song, Juliette completely doesn't care about her guy, what she wants is just to have fun. The guys are therefore excluded. There are only girls having the party so in fact its possible to imagine things. Its not explicit, each person has the right to his or her own interpretation. I like it when people put their points of view forward.</i>

-Alizée in <i>Tribu move</i>, <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88233&postcount=1">circa 2008.01</a>.</td></tr></table>
If you accept what is written in this new <i>Libération Next</i> article, Alizée herself would <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=153597&postcount=22">deny</a> imbuing a deep meaning to the work over which she has had dominant control (including only two albums so far) and also would modestly remind you that she departed school before earning her French <i>Bac</i>. But I'd argue that artistic theory is <i>more</i> concerned with the meanings we can find in art to illuminate life, than with what even the actual artist consciously intended to suggest with a particular work. In other words, the art critic can be an artist as well!

<table width="75%" align="center" border="5" cellpadding="5"><tr><td><i>When one sings a song written by someone else, whether it be Mylène or Jean Fauque, one discovers months after yet other interpretations, and one says to oneself, "Neat, I never thought it could be interpreted like that!"</i>

-Alizée in <i>Tribu move</i>, <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88233&postcount=1">circa 2008.01</a>.</td></tr></table>
On behalf of Alizée, I thank you for buying the deluxe package of <i>UEdS</i>, which I hope you will enjoy. :)

Most of all, I hope you will get more people in Holland interested in Alizée's work, so that the number of her patrons can continue to grow.

<hr>

Subject: Hollywood cameo role: The JBG as femme fatale Las Vegas croupier!

...
GEEK AND POKER CHAMPION
...The ex-Lolita, did you know, is: super good at video games, a real geek, into golf which she plays with her husband, and above all, poker champion, who already beat “all of Jérémy’s pals.”

Well, how do you like that? I am surprised that youngsters like Alizée play something as <i>old-fashioned</i> as card games - until I reflect on the psychological dimension of sharing physical space with other players! It would seem our favorite "minx" is probably also a "sphinx"!

Anyway, this puts an entirely new light on my post last month on <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151496&postcount=14"><i>Alizée playing cards</i></a>, especially the last paragraph. Deal me in, boys!

P.S. Add one more reason for getting married in Nevada! And with all respect to Barry Manilow, I'd much prefer to see Alizée headlining at <a href="http://www.parislasvegas.com/"><i>Paris Las Vegas</i></a>. Besides, the shorter the entertainer, the more the half-size <i>Tour Eiffel</i> resembles the original!

[pepelepew]

Thanks Deep for the translation. The belly button picture is very good. I think with Alizee being a real down to earth person that what you see is what you get to a great degree. She has a style and grace that is almost extinct among celebrities and the media in general. I also believe is much more complex in a grounded earthy way than even Alizee through her obvious humility would acknowledge or is even aware of. the elites will continue to scoff at her lack of formal education and I sense that even Alizee herself is sensitive to this, however her demeanor is evidence to me that she is light years ahead of many so called academics especially in the artistic realm if you know what I mean.

[OGRE]

and above all, poker champion

All tells laid bare under the piercing gaze of the Corsican goddess?

[pepelepew]

All tells laid bare under the piercing gaze of the Corsican goddess?

Yea and that incredible smile. I would make sure she won every hand just to see that smile lol. :)

[Fenris]

Yea and that incredible smile. I would make sure she won every hand just to see that smile lol. :)

I guess Jérémy's pals are so enchanted by her that they can't possibly concentrate on a poker game.

[Deepwaters]

I've told you guys before that she's telepathic. She cheats! :D

Re the picture with the unzipped leather jacked and rien d'autre underneath -- yeah that one's going to be talked about a lot. That's the raciest picture I've ever seen of Alizée, surpassing anything from the Mylène days. Again, signs of a radical transformation from the Psych era to the UEDS era.

And -- what do you think, can we now conclude that Annily was not born by C-section? Or was the picture photoshopped? :cool:

[Criss_pl]

And -- what do you think, can we now conclude that Annily was not born by C-section? Or was the picture photoshopped? :cool:
I'm not big into medical things, but form logical point of view, 5 years passed from Annily birth. It's a lot of time for human body, rather young in this case, to fully regenerate. I know that this kind of scar is pratically unvisible after 7-8 months. After that it's only a photo in b-w, so we can't conclude anything. Last thing is that I don't know whether it's a good topic to discuss such things:)

[lefty12357]

Thanks for the translation Deep!

I admit I've wondered if Alizée had a c-section or severe stretch marks, or whatever. But in regards to what Criss_pl said, I feel uncomfortable discussing it in a public forum, and it would all be pure speculation. But yes, you can photoshop anything, so who knows...

I would also point out that these magazine photo shoots are not necessarily indicative of Alizée's new style for the UEDS promo. Magazine photo shoots tend to be in a category all their own. However, they do show that Alizée is willing to present a more adult image of herself at this point in her life.

[Deepwaters]

You guys. I was NOT serious. Come on. Of course we have no way to know, and if I did know I'd never discuss it here. Of course the photo doesn't show us anything of the kind. I guess I need to work on using emotes better or something. Forget I mentioned it, and please don't take it seriously, because I certainly didn't.

Even though Lefty is right that the magazine photo shoot isn't necessarily indicative of the "new style" that she'll be showing on the album and in concert, the fact that she's making photos like this, or like the Madonna mockups for the other interview, shows me that she's changed her approach from the Psych era in some ways. That picture is really, really sexy. It definitely stops short of vulgar, but it's an image I don't believe she would have allowed two years ago. For some reason, she downplayed her sex appeal in the recent past, and now, without overdoing it, she's not. It's a big change. She's naked under the jacket (from the waist up anyway), and anyone male & straight who looks at the photo can't help imagining opening her up like a present. She never did anything like that even in the Mylène era.

Actually, the Mylène era photos often gave the impression of a girl being sexy and provocative without being conscious of it, the ingenue. This is totally different from that.

The photos that aren't so sexy are also a big change. They're mysterious and suggestive of -- well, I'm not sure what. She doesn't smile as much in them. She's role-playing. It's very interesting.

What I'm saying is that between Psychédélices and Un enfant du siecle, Alizée has made a revolution, both musically and in her image.

[User22]

she was probably wearing that jacket unzipped while playing poker with the guys....that's how she prob wins all the time:D

[pepelepew]

she was probably wearing that jacket unzipped while playing poker with the guys....that's how she prob wins all the time:DI think you may be right lol!:wub:

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You guys. I was NOT serious. Come on. Of course we have no way to know, and if I did know I'd never discuss it here. Of course the photo doesn't show us anything of the kind. I guess I need to work on using emotes better or something. Forget I mentioned it, and please don't take it seriously, because I certainly didn't.

Even though Lefty is right that the magazine photo shoot isn't necessarily indicative of the "new style" that she'll be showing on the album and in concert, the fact that she's making photos like this, or like the Madonna mockups for the other interview, shows me that she's changed her approach from the Psych era in some ways. That picture is really, really sexy. It definitely stops short of vulgar, but it's an image I don't believe she would have allowed two years ago. For some reason, she downplayed her sex appeal in the recent past, and now, without overdoing it, she's not. It's a big change. She's naked under the jacket (from the waist up anyway), and anyone male & straight who looks at the photo can't help imagining opening her up like a present. She never did anything like that even in the Mylène era.

Actually, the Mylène era photos often gave the impression of a girl being sexy and provocative without being conscious of it, the ingenue. This is totally different from that.

The photos that aren't so sexy are also a big change. They're mysterious and suggestive of -- well, I'm not sure what. She doesn't smile as much in them. She's role-playing. It's very interesting.

What I'm saying is that between Psychédélices and Un enfant du siecle, Alizée has made a revolution, both musically and in her image.I don't think it indicates anything other than the theme of her new album is focused on a dead model and her pictures are in that category. I will admit that they are more provocative than any time in the past, but a model that hung out with a weirdo like Andy Warhol was very provocative to say the least. I wouldn't read too much into the photoshoots as Lefty said they take on a life of their own.

[wildfire]

Alternate scans from nidalizee (smaller, but cleaner): http://www.nidalizee.com/presse/Liberation-Next-n%b024/

Hmm, don't really care for that last pic, but the other two are great. Thanks in advance for the translation, Deep. :)

Nor do I.. its like she's exploring her Mischa Barton Crystal Meth look. I understand its a role and I'm trying to get myself used to the fact that Alizée plays a role and then goes home as Lilly to her little girl.. Personally I think Annilly was the best thing that could have happened to her.. it adds perspective.

[ALS]

I'm not big into medical things, but form logical point of view, 5 years passed from Annily birth. It's a lot of time for human body, rather young in this case, to fully regenerate. I know that this kind of scar is pratically unvisible after 7-8 months. After that it's only a photo in b-w, so we can't conclude anything. Last thing is that I don't know whether it's a good topic to discuss such things:)

Do you realize how low the incision is for a C-section?

Go look for Britney Spears no underwear pics for your answer.

[Deepwaters]

I don't think it indicates anything other than the theme of her new album is focused on a dead model and her pictures are in that category. I will admit that they are more provocative than any time in the past, but a model that hung out with a weirdo like Andy Warhol was very provocative to say the least. I wouldn't read too much into the photoshoots as Lefty said they take on a life of their own.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I realize what the theme of the album is, that she's playing a role, yada yada.

Nevertheless, a couple of years ago she would never have posed for a picture like that -- not to play a role, not for any other reason either. She's removed a restraint that was self-imposed in the recent past. That's significant.

Other than that, I don't know what you're suggesting that we shouldn't read into it.

[pepelepew]

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I realize what the theme of the album is, that she's playing a role, yada yada.

Nevertheless, a couple of years ago she would never have posed for a picture like that -- not to play a role, not for any other reason either. She's removed a restraint that was self-imposed in the recent past. That's significant.

Other than that, I don't know what you're suggesting that we shouldn't read into it.It is an assumption that Alizee wouldn't have posed for more racy poses in the past. It may have not been part of the theme of Psych and wouldn't have been appropriate in her early lolly pop music. In actuality these newest poses aren't really risque at all. She showed more breast on the cover of a magazine promoting Psych with a very seductive look on her face and out of her eyes. I don't remember the magazine @ this time. I just think it is being overanalyzed, that's all. Not that there is anything really wrong with that. I have done it myself and is probably inherent in being an Alizee fan or fan of anyone for that matter.:)

[Deepwaters]

It is an assumption that Alizee wouldn't have posed for more racy poses in the past.


No, it's an observation that she DID not. In fact, she avoided being overly sexy throughout the whole Psych period. She's even said that was what she was doing.


In actuality these newest poses aren't really risque at all. She showed more breast on the cover of a magazine promoting Psych with a very seductive look on her face and out of her eyes.


It's not how much skin is showing, it's what the picture is suggesting. A picture of a woman in a bikini shows more skin than that photo, but isn't nearly as sexy, because the bikini doesn't look like she's undressed, or like one could undress her. That jacket gives the sense that one could reach out and open it.

I really don't see how you can deny that she's going in a totally new direction here, in every way, not just visually but musically as well. Something happened during or shortly after the Psych period that sent her in a different trajectory, and we're seeing and hearing some details now.

[Bigdan]

No, it's an observation that she DID not. In fact, she avoided being overly sexy throughout the whole Psych period. She's even said that was what she was doing.




I'm agree with you... But, i'm not sure what we have here now... a more "adult" way of being sexy? Or another way to not showing anything, and give to the press what we all know they need to promote the album...

[wasabi622]

Oh come on, some people flipping out about her "exposed" picture with the jean jacket??

There ain't nothing wrong with that. If no nips, ass, or vag, I consider it clean.

Seriously though, I'm liking this new direction she's headed. Sort of a mix between an older Lolita and.. whatever the new thing is. :p

[pepelepew]

No, it's an observation that she DID not. In fact, she avoided being overly sexy throughout the whole Psych period. She's even said that was what she was doing.



It's not how much skin is showing, it's what the picture is suggesting. A picture of a woman in a bikini shows more skin than that photo, but isn't nearly as sexy, because the bikini doesn't look like she's undressed, or like one could undress her. That jacket gives the sense that one could reach out and open it.

I really don't see how you can deny that she's going in a totally new direction here, in every way, not just visually but musically as well. Something happened during or shortly after the Psych period that sent her in a different trajectory, and we're seeing and hearing some details now.Yea it is the more serious nature of the lyrics. I am simply saying it is what the role calls for and is not whether she is overtly going in a new direction, going back to or avoiding being any way. In other words all of Alizee's albums created different personna's with corresponding wardrobe and role playing effects. Psych didn't call for more sexy visuals and she simply wasn't going to dress or behave that way for the attention. You may have a point that she purposely chose this subject matter and sound that calls for more sexy or seductive visuals as part of her commercial strategy. We simply don't have enough factual information to make that observation. It is an assumption at this point. I really don't care one way or the other. I like what I hear and see so far. I agree that it is not about what is showing especially with Alizee that determines sexy or seductive. She is a natural beauty and a little goes a long way with much left to the imagination that adds to her mystique. My last attempt at splaining myself on this subject.:)

[FanDeAliFee]

No, it's an observation that she DID not. In fact, she avoided being overly sexy throughout the whole Psych period. She's even said that was what she was doing.

Her appearance was less sexy, but I think <i>Mon Taxi Driver</i> was a very sexy number. Heck, by the last track of the album, she had not only gotten pregnant - but delivered! (<i>L’effet</i>) What a "naughty" girl. ;)

I'm agree with you... But, i'm not sure what we have here now... a more "adult" way of being sexy? Or another way to not showing anything, and give to the press what we all know they need to promote the album...

Alizée is wise to "dump Sue Lyon for Marlene Dietrich". Lyon evaporated. Marlene went on forever. Her image lives still.

<small>
Bigdan, mon ami: Let me be less thoughtless this time! The title of my posting is a pun on a famous, high-power US advertising campaign, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got_Milk%3F"><i>Got milk?</i></a> and an acronym, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF"><i>MILF</i></a>, popularized in US culture by a 1999 film.</small>

[Chuck]

Oh come on, some people flipping out about her "exposed" picture with the jean jacket??
There ain't nothing wrong with that. If no nips, ass, or vag, I consider it clean. :p

I would like to mention at this time that Britney and Lady Gaga both released totally topless pix to the French public in recent months.* Compared to that, yeah, Alizée's practically a prude. A very, very beautiful prude, but for someone appearing in a mag called "Libération", showing her belly button is still pretty gosh-darned straight-laced. Different countries, different norms.

* (Yeah, I saw 'em, and ho hum. I'd have posted a link if there'd been anything to see.)

[Topaz]

anyone male & straight who looks at the photo can't help imagining opening her up like a present.

Eloquently stated. For you Deep. :)

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[FanDeAliFee]

That picture is really, really sexy. It definitely stops short of vulgar, but it's an image I don't believe she would have allowed two years ago. For some reason, she downplayed her sex appeal in the recent past, and now, without overdoing it, she's not. It's a big change. She's naked under the jacket (from the waist up anyway), and anyone male & straight who looks at the photo can't help imagining opening her up like a present.

Um... except her Dad, brother, and other close blood relatives. Right? RIGHT??? Sheesh....

I would like to mention at this time that Britney and Lady Gaga both released totally topless pix to the French public in recent months.

Like Alizée, my friend Miss Harper (whom you perhaps recently met in another post, teaching class) would <i>never</i> submit to such extreme ends <i>merely</i> to be popular, no matter what clever ruse might be used to catch her off guard...

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<i>Sex is the most fun you can have without laughing.</i> - Woody Allen

[Roman]

...
Re the picture with the unzipped leather jacked and rien d'autre underneath -- yeah that one's going to be talked about a lot. That's the raciest picture I've ever seen of Alizée, surpassing anything from the Mylène days. Again, signs of a radical transformation from the Psych era to the UEDS era.
I pretty much agree. It's not just about how much skin she's showing. It's not even necessarily that she's showing the navel. That is particularly significant because she used to and then didn't for years and gave the impression that she intended not to. Now, right after saying she is « pudique » [chaste/modest/prudish] she does this. That makes me really wonder what it is that she was referring to that people expected of her that was far too immodest--a striptease like Mylène in « l'amour c'est rien »? Was that meant for Alizée? (OH wow! That would have been huuuuuge! And, very controversial.) I can't imagine that her career is going to outlast what it could have been if she had gone more Mylène (actually it didn't--past tense), but I understand, that just wasn't Alizée. She is who she is or was who she was and that (along with the other reasons she left M&L and yes there were other reasons) was what she had to do. Of course, again like they say about having your cake and eating it too... Alizée got something from some of her choices that was irreplaceable.

So yeah, big deal, showing a bit of skin once again unlike anything she's done before, though not really "more". Yes, you can easily go see any amount of nudity or whatever you want any time on the net, but it's Alizée here and she has set up some kind of level of expectation and so when she then does something unexpectedly racy like that, that is why it generates particular attention. I guess she has just reset the bar on our expectations of what she might do. Does that re-generate some naughty secret hopes among the male populace? I don't know. But, I do tend to think that whether Alizée realizes all of this or not, it's just a photo for her. I wonder if she was swayed at all into thinking maybe it is more ok considering that her father has in the last year or two been taking a lot of sexy photos of various women.


Actually, the Mylène era photos often gave the impression of a girl being sexy and provocative without being conscious of it, the ingenue. ... Yeah, I guess I'm one of those guys who likes that. And eventually, I got the idea that that is exactly what it was in all honesty--something I hadn't really considered at first. And of course, there's no way around the fact that she was cute beyond words, very pretty, so sexy and altogether irresistibly adorable. So, the mind shuts down a bit making everything line up nicely.

The photos that aren't so sexy are also a big change. They're mysterious and suggestive of -- well, I'm not sure what. She doesn't smile as much in them. She's role-playing. It's very interesting. Je suis tout à fait d'accord (I totally agree). But I will suggest that people go back and look at the photos she did for the Psych era too. One might forget that she did some provocative photos eventually. Though, yes, if she had done them from the beginning instead of things like suspenders with buttons (which was actually similarly sexy because she was likewise nude under that, but it had that "kidsy" quirky side to it as well), one might have gotten a different idea. This new photo would have worked quite well as a representation of the song Mon Taxi Driver. It would have been nice if Alizée had been able to get more singles out in some way even if not in a big production sort of way along with photos and such that would correspond to each song. If she really still had a kidsy image, I think she could have blown that away with something like that, while still having the other stuff too. It was a matter of showing the people that she was still young and popy, but that was only one facet in a mélange of roles and images. It was just not nearly enough and the music didn't carry itself. Maybe it could have been done if there was much more there presented more like an experience than just an album. There was some of that. I think they knew that or had some idea and it is sort of being attempted this time, but maybe that's the difference between having a huge budget, great ideas from the get-go, and the ability to manage everything into existence--or an older experienced mentor... But, Alizée had to take control of her life and step out of someone's shadow as that was no doubt a natural desire for someone her age.

I decided long ago...
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What I'm saying is that between Psychédélices and Un enfant du siecle, Alizée has made a revolution, both musically and in her image.She said she might change. I guess that was a forgone conclusion, though I need to read those interviews again. How did she end up working with these people? I got the impression that it was not the same kind of choice she made the first time.

Edit: merde ! I got there too late and the magazine is sold out. Anyone have an extra?

[FanDeAliFee]

So yeah, big deal, showing a bit of
[s]kin once again unlike anything she's done before, though
not really "more"... I wonder if she was swayed at all into
thinking maybe it is more ok considering that her father has
in the last year or two been taking a lot of sexy photos of
various women.

<blockquote><i>By the way, I'll let you in on a little something, I put "Papa Don't Preach" as my ringtone on my cellphone when my dad calls me. (Laughs).</i></blockquote>-Alizée, translated from gay Paris' <i>Tribue move</i>, <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88233&postcount=1">circa 2008.01</a>

[Deepwaters]

Um... except her Dad, brother, and other close blood relatives. Right? RIGHT??? Sheesh....


I said any straight male could not help THINKING about opening her like a present. What distinguishes those for whom it would be incest is that they would not, given the opportunity, actually DO it. (Or so one would hope.)

And if you think that's not true, all I can say is that you have no hot sisters or cousins. I do, and I can assure you that I have most certainly THOUGHT about it. I just haven't DONE it. :cool:</EMBED>



Sex is the most fun you can have without laughing. - Woody Allen

:confused: I always laugh . . .

(OK that was too much information. I'll shut up now.)

[wasabi622]

I said any straight male could not help THINKING about opening her like a present. What distinguishes those for whom it would be incest is that they would not, given the opportunity, actually DO it. (Or so one would hope.)

And if you think that's not true, all I can say is that you have no hot sisters or cousins. I do, and I can assure you that I have most certainly THOUGHT about it. I just haven't DONE it. :cool:</EMBED>




...wait, what? :blink:

[Roman]

...wait, what? :blink:

The man said what he said. Get over it people.

[FanDeAliFee]

I said any straight male could not help THINKING about opening her like a present. What distinguishes those for whom it would be incest is that they would not, given the opportunity, actually DO it. (Or so one would hope.)

And if you think that's not true, all I can say is that you have no hot sisters or cousins. I do, and I can assure you that I have most certainly THOUGHT about it. I just haven't DONE it. :cool:</EMBED>

...(OK that was too much information. I'll shut up now.)

I dedicate the following video to the... "thinking man"?

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I'm glad I have all you Talmudic scholars here to ponder difficult questions! I've always wondered: If you're a Siamese twin and you masturbate, have you committed incest? Also, does that mean you are gay? (P.S. I'm not a Siamese twin and I'm, um, just asking for a friend, yes, that's it, a friend who wants to know...)

[Aldighieri]

I think she's (just fully dressed up) one of the most sexy person I've seen ever.
This pics are really safety, probably for my desire I've ever had to see more , but certainly them sign a change of direction(no more the prudish old things we know).

It's like to say"I'm a woman ok? not a young girl!!!!..."

So I'm very curious to look what happen in future...

[Bigdan]

I think she's (just fully dressed up) one of the most sexy person I've seen ever.

...

It's like to say"I'm a woman ok? not a young girl!!!!..."


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yes... like another woman we know...;)

[wasabi622]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/65/sistersz.jpg

yes... like another woman we know...;)

Um.. who is that other woman? Not Mylene is it? :blink:

[pepelepew]

Um.. who is that other woman? Not Mylene is it? :blink:Yep it is!:)

[Bigdan]

Um.. who is that other woman? Not Mylene is it? :blink:

sure it is.:)

[wasabi622]

Yep it is!:)

sure it is.:)

See, that there is why her lolita image(you know, her Mylene influenced style) still, to some degree, has an affect on her even today.

I'm not saying that she's going back and trying to do exactly what Mylene did, but at the same time, you can't really deny the similarities.

[pepelepew]

Her collaboration with MF/LB was a huge gift. Today it is somewhat of a curse as it relates to her current image. No matter what she does there will be a comparison with those days and some of it is probably accurate. Why try and completely reinvent the wheel. If it works don't fix it. Unfortunately in the pop world the successful acts are 80% visual effect and 20% talent in terms of what the industries priorities reveal. Not only is the available talent today minute compared to 50's-80's, but there has been a steady decline in talent since the advent of the video via MTV/VH1. Prior to that the focus was on over all musical talent. If you didn't sound good you had no chance at success. Today it is much more important to look good than sound good.

[Deepwaters]

See, that there is why her lolita image(you know, her Mylene influenced style) still, to some degree, has an affect on her even today.

The Lolita image, although Mylène-designed, is radically different from Mylène's OWN image, which has never been that of a sexy ingenue.

[wasabi622]

The Lolita image, although Mylène-designed, is radically different from Mylène's OWN image, which has never been that of a sexy ingenue.

Of course, don't get me wrong. I didn't mean to say that Alizée was copying or trying to emulate Mylene, but that she is influenced by her days as the lolita.

Similiar to how Jackie Chan and Jet Li can be linked to Bruce Lee. All three of them have radically different styles, but they are all somewhat influenced by Bruce Lee.

[Deepwaters]

The current style of Alizée insofar as we can tell what it is, does seem to have some things in common with Mylène Farmer. Mylène always tells a story, she's very sexy, and she has a dark undercurrent. Alizée seems to be telling a story in this new album, which has a dark undercurrent, and in some of her recent photos she's shown a more risqué streak than in the past. But it is still very, very different from her past under Mylène's tutelage, especially in the time of her first album. The Lolita image wasn't just sexy, it was a sexy-innocent TEENAGE girl, and that is something Alizée most certainly is not now.

I'm not sure I'd say that she's imitating Mylène, either, because that dark-and-sexy feel with a hint of self-destruction is to be expected around the story of Edie Sedgwick.

I'm just enjoying this a lot. She seems to be following exactly the path that I had suggested to her that she should (not that I'm saying she did so on my advice alone): to create an album with a more unified theme and style rather than a smorgasborg like Psychédélices, and to allow herself to be sexy in performance. That's exactly what I see her doing. I think it's fantastic. :)

[FanDeAliFee]

Her collaboration with MF/LB was a huge gift. Today it is somewhat of a curse as it relates to her current image. No matter what she does there will be a comparison with those days and some of it is probably accurate. Why try and completely reinvent the wheel. If it works don't fix it.

I've already said that, over time, what one does during a short span of years may indicate potential, but need not forever weigh down one's image as long as there is a lengthy trail of new stuff of comparable impact. The key phrase is "as long as."

Of course, there is a "typecasting" effect in a visual medium, as many film and TV actors have found to their great regret. And Alizée has said she thinks that the French music scene subjects one to a typecasting straitjacket as well, while the USA market is less constricting. That's why I think she'd like to break into the USA market, if possible, and why I think <i>Psychédélices</i> was so eclectic - and very enjoyable to me.

Unfortunately in the pop world the successful acts are 80% visual effect and 20% talent in terms of what the industries priorities reveal. Not only is the available talent today minute compared to 50's-80's, but there has been a steady decline in talent since the advent of the video via MTV/VH1. Prior to that the focus was on over all musical talent. If you didn't sound good you had no chance at success. Today it is much more important to look good than sound good.

You mean that Billy "Fernando" Crystal would opine that:
<big><big><big><I>Dahling... eet's not how you sound... eet's HOW YOU LOOK!!!</i></big></big></big>

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From Alizée's recent <i>Teknikart</i> magazine cover, it would seem that people <i>still</i> admire Madonna's "bellybutton"!

<small>(Small high five to the other aging folks here...)</small>