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brad
04-22-2010, 12:12 PM
I hope she sticks with the people that helped her make this album, I really think she has found her niche now. I have come full circle on this album, I was worried when I heard the Limelight samples, but now I think this may be her strongest album yet.

I think it is strange what singles they picked, I personally think Limelight and Les Collines are the weakest songs on the album.

DannyMac524
04-22-2010, 12:58 PM
I agree this is a great album. I just got mine from Amazon.fr and have been enjoying it immensely. I think she has really matured her craft and style in this album. It is in my mind very sophisticated music in many ways, almost rock operatic in some ways. I love her new look too!! The bangs remind me of her very young pictures before the Moi Lolita days. I do however like Limelight. I hope NRJ All French start playing this album. I listen to this station all day long and have not heard it yet. I wish her success with the new album, and hope that she continues to develop her music to our delight.

Jeff
04-22-2010, 01:06 PM
She'll never have as many fans and people crazy over her until she goes back to the J'en ai marre and moi lolita look and dresses like she use to back then.

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-22-2010, 01:07 PM
I second your enthusiasm, brad! Though I also was worred when I first heard limelight, it was for a different reason. I liked (and still do, even more so after hearing the great violin intro; I miss lb's great violin pieces most:() limelight, but was hoping all the album was not this heavily-electro-influenced style. One song like that is fine, but not ten. Luckily, I was very pleasantly surprised by the whole thing. But I love NLY! It has the mysterious, indescribable magnetism present only in ÀCC. I also love FG, GC, EE, UFD, LC, and LL. But while this album is tied for second best with Gourmandises for favorite album imho, I hope she doesn't continue too awful close to this style. I love Alizée for her variety. No two albums are the same. Most people I show her to (that like her) can usually tell which songs are from the same album as each other, just by the style of the song. If she wants to keep doing electro, go ahead, but I hope she does change it up to keep it interesting.

Deepwaters
04-22-2010, 01:12 PM
She'll never have as many fans and people crazy over her until she goes back to the J'en ai marre and moi lolita look and dresses like she use to back then.

If that's what it takes, it's not worth the price.

Fenris
04-22-2010, 01:13 PM
Yeah, the album gets good critics everywhere but it does not sell.

A shame really.

Deepwaters
04-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Yeah, the album gets good critics everywhere but it does not sell.

A shame really.

Why is everyone saying this already when it's only been out and available for less than a month, less than that even over most of the world? :confused:

I seriously doubt that up-to-date figures are even available for worldwide sales, which with Alizée are what matters.

EDIT: I agree completely with Ben. I think UEDS is her best album yet.

user472884
04-22-2010, 03:10 PM
I politely and personally disagree.

Deepwaters
04-22-2010, 03:51 PM
Oh, well, can't please everyone. :p

Maybe I should present a detailed critique of the sucker, as I did a few years ago for Psych. I'll link this post on Alizée's FB wall this evening to make sure she'll see it. (Desolé pour l'anglais mais si je l'écris en francais les gens ici ne pouvent pas le lire.)

Eden Eden -- this song reminds me of my boyhood in some ways. It's got a flower child feel to it. Somehow the fragility and unreality are conveyed along with the ethereal sweetness.

Grand Central -- I love this song. It does a fantastic job of conveying harshness and craziness. I feel like the chaos of Grand Central Station is a metaphor for frenzy running through someone's life. Beautifully done. My favorite song on the album. "J'ai faim, mon dieu, j'ai faim !"

Limelight -- this on the other hand is, for me, the weakest song on the album. The instrumentals are very good, and that saves it, but for Alizée that wonderful voice is almost everything, and this song is not a good showcase for her voice. The lyrics are too slow, the range of vocals too narrow. I like the breathy effect of the chant at the end, but on the whole this song could have been much better.

La Candida -- unfortunately I don't understand Spanish, so I can really only comment on the music here, which is great. Very catchy, cute, lively, and sweet. I like it even if I don't understand it.

Les Collines -- I love this song, too! It's one of several on the album where, in some of the lyrics, I almost feel she's singing to me personally. The repetitive chorus in English has come in for some criticism, but I feel it works well and is part of what makes the song addictive. The instrumentals, especially the drum, complement Alizée's voice wonderfully.

14 Decembre -- brilliantly done, from the haunting music to the word-play in the lyrics (e.g. "Des croix et des croisés").

A Coeur Fendre -- this is one of the darkest songs Alizée has ever sung, but also one of the more powerful. I still am not sure I understand all of the implications. I need to listen to it some more and delve more into the lyrics.

Factory Girl -- oh, my! What a powerful, grim reflection on Edie Sedgwick. Here the Sedgwick theme of the album comes through most strongly. Throughout this album there's some back-and-forth between Alizée as Sedgwick and as herself, but in this song she maximizes the role-play and does it very well.

Une Fille Difficile -- [to come]

Mes Fantomes -- this is another song where some of the lyrics seem almost to be singing to me personally. Unlike Factory Girl, this one goes to the other pole of Alizée as herself. There are clear references to her daughter, and not-so-clear reflections on her life, the details of things which aren't known. What I really like about it is the way it showcases Alizée's voice. She's really given a vehicle to deliver wonderful sound in this song.

The only overall bad thing I can say about UEDS is that there are no good songs for dancing to, but that's obviously not the intent. For the most part, what it tries to do, it does very well. I consider this overall to be the best of the four albums Alizée has released to date.

Uroboros
04-22-2010, 04:07 PM
Even though my favorite is MCE, I really liked the new album, especially the songs Les Collines (Never Leave You) and Une Fille Difficile :)

Naft
04-22-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll keep it short, so no interesting read here like from Deepwaters ^ there

I like the album, Alizée really pulls off that new style of hers, although I will probably always love the MCC Alizée more than the new one.. Overall great songs, don't got any song I can say I dislike, since I like them all but in a new way, she really outdid herself.

Jeff
04-22-2010, 04:31 PM
If that's what it takes, it's not worth the price.




90% of her fans come from the J'en Ai Marre dance. So until she does that dance again and dresses like she use too she'll get less and less fans through out the years.

Deepwaters
04-22-2010, 04:37 PM
90% of her fans come from the J'en Ai Marre dance. So until she does that dance again and dresses like she use too she'll get less and less fans through out the years.

As I said, if that's what it takes, it's not worth it. It makes her a one-trick pony instead of an artist. I fully understand. If someone said to me that I had to ghostwrite for Sarah Palin to be a success with my writing, I'd say the hell with it.

And by the way -- a JEAM video was MY first exposure to Alizée. (In real time.) Just because that was how a person found her doesn't mean that's the only way she can keep his/her loyalty. If she was still doing that kind of thing, she might have lost mine. At least on an artistic level.

babyblue558
04-22-2010, 04:50 PM
At first I really wasn't sure about UEdS but its definitely growing on me. It takes a lot of listens to appreciate it and its sophistication, something that was never really present in the previous albums. Although MCE is still without doubt my favourite, I love that Alizée's proving she can do something completely different and independent. I still kinda wish it had an up-tempo pop number (like JPVA) but then the album as a whole could risk losing its sophistication and sharp focus. Fav songs are Eden, Eden, Mes Fantômes and Grand Central but I'm sure the list will grow quickly as I listen to the songs more... :cool:

Eldrick
04-22-2010, 06:04 PM
I honestly don't think it is an understatement to call UEDS a masterpiece. The more you listen to it the better it gets. I believe this is the album where Lili has found her feet as an independant artists.

Let's face it, no matter how much we all love Gourmandises and MCE, Lili was just the front person of a Mylene and Laurent side project. She then had the guts to go it alone and Psych was and still is a great album, but contained varied styles as she experimented, which divided opinion amongst fans. Only now with UEDS has she found her style and with her team has created a great piece of work, a collection of songs which fit together perfectly and work brilliantly as a whole.

I must admit to being apprehensive as to whether I would like the new album but it has lived up to my greatest expectations. I genuinely, truly love UEDS. Here's to the next album!

CFHollister
04-22-2010, 06:36 PM
I think I'm gonna have to agree here too with the general sentiment, and Eldrick says it pretty well.. Not sure how much I can add but the album does get better and better the more I listen to it and and it is vying for the status as my favorite album with MCE. However, I've decided it's rather like comparing apples and oranges, Mylènelizée et la vrai Alizée, and have resolved to leave it at that (though I prefer the real Alizée to any other, so take that how you will). I think Alizée is well on her way to defining, and refining, her own style and I expect more great work from her in the future. Disc sales figures be damned... By continuing to produce work of the calibre of UEdS, and continuing to develop her rapport as a respected artist and performer (something that seems apparent to me in the tone of some of the more recent articles published about Alizée and UEdS), I think Alizée's day will come again in France.

Fenris
04-22-2010, 06:52 PM
90% of her fans come from the J'en Ai Marre dance. So until she does that dance again and dresses like she use too she'll get less and less fans through out the years.

You don't honestly want to reduce her to one song and dance, do you?
It would really be pathetic if all there is about her is the JEAM dance.
If this were the case, i won't be a fan.

And no, you can't copy and repeat things endlessly and expect them to be successful.
It's true, she is a small artist now and on the verge of being underground, but this is obviously the way she wants to go.
It's not all about fame and being a mega star.
She knows that other things in life are more important, and i respect her for it.
As for the album, she deliberately did things different here despite the risks involved. It might not have the big mass appeal (at least not in france it seems), but she has proven that she is a real artist and not just a pretty girl who knows how to shake her hips.

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-22-2010, 07:09 PM
I am going to point out something people seem to forget CONSTANTLY: she wanted orignally to be a dancer. But do to a sad rule, she couldn't. But she did get to perform. She (thankfully) could sing very well. That loophole is the only reason she became a singer. So when she was with MF/LB, it was them who probably decided to reach as high as they did. She didn't want to be a singer, so she probably doesn't care to hit the hieght mf/lb aspired to. That she is even still singing (as opposed to teaching dance, her original dream, you know!) is amazing. If she were to become a dance teacher, we would never see her. I had a nightmare about that happening, there is a thread I started called 'Les Collines-aphobia' (sorry, can't link from phone). If she wants to, I would not hate her. But. Would certainly miss her a great deal. I can't say I never see it happening, especially with her recent dip in activity.

Rictor
04-22-2010, 08:11 PM
I am going to point out something people seem to forget CONSTANTLY: she wanted orignally to be a dancer.

Too bad the "happy go lucky" type of dancing she displayed in the music videos for the first two albums (L'Alize, Moi Lolita, JEAM, etc) doesn't really fit in with the mood of the newest release. I really do miss seeing her dance:(

As for the album being a masterpiece, I would say that as a whole, this album is definitely excellent. One song seems to flow into the next and there doesn't seem to be anything that sticks out like a sore thumb. I've been listening to this album for maybe 2 weeks now and for some reason it mellows me out when I'm not in a good mood. So I love it. :D

lefty12357
04-22-2010, 08:41 PM
Oh, well, can't please everyone. :p

Maybe I should present a detailed critique of the sucker, as I did a few years ago for Psych. I'll link this post on Alizée's FB wall this evening to make sure she'll see it. (Desolé pour l'anglais mais si je l'écris en francais les gens ici ne pouvent pas le lire.)

Eden Eden -- this song reminds me of my boyhood in some ways. It's got a flower child feel to it. Somehow the fragility and unreality are conveyed along with the ethereal sweetness.

Grand Central -- I love this song. It does a fantastic job of conveying harshness and craziness. I feel like the chaos of Grand Central Station is a metaphor for frenzy running through someone's life. Beautifully done. My favorite song on the album. "J'ai faim, mon dieu, j'ai faim !"

Limelight -- this on the other hand is, for me, the weakest song on the album. The instrumentals are very good, and that saves it, but for Alizée that wonderful voice is almost everything, and this song is not a good showcase for her voice. The lyrics are too slow, the range of vocals too narrow. I like the breathy effect of the chant at the end, but on the whole this song could have been much better.

La Candida -- unfortunately I don't understand Spanish, so I can really only comment on the music here, which is great. Very catchy, cute, lively, and sweet. I like it even if I don't understand it.

Les Collines -- I love this song, too! It's one of several on the album where, in some of the lyrics, I almost feel she's singing to me personally. The repetitive chorus in English has come in for some criticism, but I feel it works well and is part of what makes the song addictive. The instrumentals, especially the drum, complement Alizée's voice wonderfully.

14 Decembre -- brilliantly done, from the haunting music to the word-play in the lyrics (e.g. "Des croix et des croisés").

A Coeur Fendre -- this is one of the darkest songs Alizée has ever sung, but also one of the more powerful. I still am not sure I understand all of the implications. I need to listen to it some more and delve more into the lyrics.

Factory Girl -- oh, my! What a powerful, grim reflection on Edie Sedgwick. Here the Sedgwick theme of the album comes through most strongly. Throughout this album there's some back-and-forth between Alizée as Sedgwick and as herself, but in this song she maximizes the role-play and does it very well.

Une Fille Difficile -- [to come]

Mes Fantomes -- this is another song where some of the lyrics seem almost to be singing to me personally. Unlike Factory Girl, this one goes to the other pole of Alizée as herself. There are clear references to her daughter, and not-so-clear reflections on her life, the details of things which aren't known. What I really like about it is the way it showcases Alizée's voice. She's really given a vehicle to deliver wonderful sound in this song.

The only overall bad thing I can say about UEDS is that there are no good songs for dancing to, but that's obviously not the intent. For the most part, what it tries to do, it does very well. I consider this overall to be the best of the four albums Alizée has released to date.

Well, I was going to post something similar. But since Deep already did it and I'm in agreement with most of it, I'll just add a few thoughts of my own.

Even though this album is more or less "electro" in its instrumentation, at the heart of every song is an epic feel, done in a classic songwriting style. I guess I can't stress this point enough. And that's why I think this album easily crosses over what could have otherwise been a serious divide. And I think it makes it more interesting.

Eden, Eden - great example of a classic songwriting style.

Grand Central - the music really matches the subject matter of the song.

Limelight - I like this song a lot. Initially I was happy because it was in English, and then I became a bit disappointed because it was in English. :)
Having gotten over that hump, and having accepted the punctuated style of the vocal delivery, I have truly fallen in love with this song.

A Coeur Fendre - I just love how this song transistions into a perfect bridge section. Excellent.

14 Decembre - Again, the music is just perfectly suited for the subject.

Une Fille Difficile - If I could tamper with the music on one song on this album, it would be this one. I would make the chorus the bridge, and write a new chorus with a strong hook. With the right percussion, this could have been a good song to dance to. Having said all that, I still think this is a very good song and Alizée's vocal is incredible.

Mes Fantômes - What an ending to an album ! All I can say is this song and Alizée's vocals simply blow me away ! Guys, sing along with it (if you haven't already) and you will see just how low Alizée's voice can go. She really does have quite a range. Sometimes I wonder how she fits all that range into such a small package. :)

The downside - I think the percussion is lacking in places. I would have liked to hear some of the musicians take it to the next level in a few spots. I would have liked to see a strong dance song or really catchy single to help promote the album. The album is also a bit short. These are all minor quibbles though.

The upside - Great vocal performances by Alizée, very well written songs, and impeccably recorded, mixed and produced. For me, there isn't a weak song on the whole album. All in all, I'd have to say that this album is a great achievement for Alizée and those who worked on it.

sumi1
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
Agree with most of the points by Lefty and Deepwaters. Good analysis.

I must say the group of musicians she has worked with are excellent. I congratulate them all, the songwriters and of course, Alizee for such a great work of art. Proud to be her fan :)

Fèvier
04-22-2010, 08:54 PM
Too bad the "happy go lucky" type of dancing she displayed in the music videos for the first two albums (L'Alize, Moi Lolita, JEAM, etc) doesn't really fit in with the mood of the newest release. I really do miss seeing her dance:(

As for the album being a masterpiece, I would say that as a whole, this album is definitely excellent. One song seems to flow into the next and there doesn't seem to be anything that sticks out like a sore thumb. I've been listening to this album for maybe 2 weeks now and for some reason it mellows me out when I'm not in a good mood. So I love it. :D

Times like these I wish I were there for the whole ten years.
Oh well, better late than never! :)

ImRawdg
04-22-2010, 09:01 PM
The downside - I think the percussion is lacking in places.

Oh yes, I think most of the percussion is atrocious.

But I do love Grand Central in every aspect. I can't say I see any hope for "Une Fille Difficile" though, and it is my least favorite. This album is definitely pretty good, but I think the instrumental scheme kinda wrecked it in places (composition = good, sound = bad)

Maybe it's just because I dislike electronica.

lefty12357
04-22-2010, 09:22 PM
Maybe it's just because I dislike electronica.

Yeah, my genre of choice has always been progressive rock. But I've dabbled in folk, pop, electronica and a few other types of music which has helped me become more accepting and appreciative of some of the genres that I didn't care for in years past. But there are still some musical genres that I just can't stand myself. I'm sure that's true for everybody. Since I enjoy Alizée a lot, I feel fortunate that she hasn't gone in a direction that I would find hard to listen to.

Jess
04-22-2010, 10:36 PM
Glad to see you're still around Brad, and yeah I like this album too. It does reflect what direction she wants to take and obviously it's a different direction then before. I for one respect this, and enjoy her new direction as well. Although I must admit I enjoyed her first two albums more, mainly because of her performances associated with these songs.

But I don't agree with those that would like to see her come back in her old style, the fact is the artists who have tried to come back like they were before have failed miserably. She's changed, this is who she is now and what she wants to do musically. If you don't like it it's ok, I doubt that she's expecting everyone to like it. In fact I would suspect that around this time she probably expected her old fans to have moved on or moved out already.

As far as the lolita image she portrayed in her previous two albums, that image will never die. Her performance's in those years are forever memorable to anyone who has seen them. Treasure them with all your heart, but have enough sense to know that it's in the past. I know this might hurt a little, but it's the truth ;-)

I am going to point out something people seem to forget CONSTANTLY: she wanted orignally to be a dancer. But do to a sad rule, she couldn't. But she did get to perform. She (thankfully) could sing very well. That loophole is the only reason she became a singer. So when she was with MF/LB, it was them who probably decided to reach as high as they did. She didn't want to be a singer, so she probably doesn't care to hit the hieght mf/lb aspired to. That she is even still singing (as opposed to teaching dance, her original dream, you know!) is amazing. If she were to become a dance teacher, we would never see her. I had a nightmare about that happening, there is a thread I started called 'Les Collines-aphobia' (sorry, can't link from phone). If she wants to, I would not hate her. But. Would certainly miss her a great deal. I can't say I never see it happening, especially with her recent dip in activity.
VVVA no one has forgotten this I think, it's more like we realize that people change and their views and taste change with them, so you can't expect some one to stay the same or think the same all their life. This is the case with Alizée, she doesn't seem to like dancing anymore otherwise we would see it.

I should add that it does take a lot of work and time, which might be the case that Alizée might not have such time. Or she simply might choose to invest her time in other things, like her daughter for example. Which is probably why Brad is not here as often, and why he sold this forum to Ben. ;)

Människöpesten
04-22-2010, 10:46 PM
what Nifelvind? THAT. ALBUM. IS. AWESOME. but yeah, in all seriousness, this is my third favorite after gourm/MCE the premise and concept of it is interesting to boot

rcs
04-22-2010, 10:57 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that her body just might not replicate JEAM maneuvers like before when she had them teen hips? Hell, I'd settle for ML and Gourmandises-like moves,...simple for live performances. This album has snipets in every song where it builds up and hooks me. I'm still waiting for when she becomes inspired enough to belt out some rock lyrics.

Good to see you Ben.

Toc De Mac
04-23-2010, 06:28 AM
In particular, 14 Décembre is a masterpiece. :D

paintballpdh19
04-23-2010, 04:48 PM
As far as the lolita image she portrayed in her previous two albums, that image will never die. Her performance's in those years are forever memorable to anyone who has seen them. Treasure them with all your heart, but have enough sense to know that it's in the past. I know this might hurt a little, but it's the truth ;-)


exactly.... they will live on forever but there will be no more like there used to be.... the past is gone... those years of those moves are over, but never forgotten.

Hylas1896
04-23-2010, 04:57 PM
I think it is strange what singles they picked, I personally think Limelight and Les Collines are the weakest songs on the album.

This is not unique to Alizee. Singles need to be 'pop-ish' or something or other that often betrays the true nature of an album.


Hylas1896

Lerxst
04-23-2010, 09:51 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that her body just might not replicate JEAM maneuvers like before when she had them teen hips?

Dude, she's only 25. You make it sound like she's 55! LOL :p

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-23-2010, 10:12 PM
She had a child, but she looks in as good shape as the JEAM era. If she had gained weight, we would have seen it in her legs. We haven't seen her stomach lately, so maybe she doesn't have thos amazing abs. But I doubt she has gained enough that she physically can't dance. That implication is utterly ubsurd. If anything, she seemed thinner upon her Psych comeback than the MCÉ. Well, not thinner, more slender. Especially her face, it was very evident in her nose and cheeks that she lost a few pounds in her absence. That wieght loss (according to Cosmo, which I read one afternoon, bored on the toilet at my mom's, a fairly interesting read) usually occurs when woman get married, and even moreso after a child. Perfectally normal.

User22
04-23-2010, 11:06 PM
Ok guys I think we should stray away from talking about her body....that subject gets threads closed:rolleyes: Although her body is the same....But I didn't notice how small and petite she really is until she started wearing jackets with no broad shoulders....its weird but hot:D

Une Fille Difficile has the greatest electro of the album and reminds me of the songs that go on the end of japanese video games(Star Fox,Super Smash Bros. Melee, etc.):D

Rev
04-23-2010, 11:32 PM
You don't honestly want to reduce her to one song and dance, do you?
It would really be pathetic if all there is about her is the JEAM dance.
If this were the case, i won't be a fan.

And no, you can't copy and repeat things endlessly and expect them to be successful.
It's true, she is a small artist now and on the verge of being underground, but this is obviously the way she wants to go.
It's not all about fame and being a mega star.
She knows that other things in life are more important, and i respect her for it.
As for the album, she deliberately did things different here despite the risks involved. It might not have the big mass appeal (at least not in france it seems), but she has proven that she is a real artist and not just a pretty girl who knows how to shake her hips.


I get the sense that she is looking to be a performer even more than a singer. Also, she is vary carefully (and successfully) building her credentials to this end.

She loves being in front of an audience, and so I think we will see her in more roles and in more places over time. Some will be just her on stage while others will be part of group productions.

The important thing is that she seems to have "found her feet" and is getting traction in her chosen path. Whether or not this (very good) album is a true hit in France, I think her momentum is clearly upward. :)

Jenny_HRO87
04-24-2010, 05:19 AM
Yes. "Une enfant du siècle" is a masterpiece. Alizée at her best!

Ange
04-24-2010, 05:58 AM
what did the cosmo article say?

Aron14
04-24-2010, 10:21 AM
Yes. "Une enfant du siècle" is a masterpiece. Alizée at her best!

I'll have to go with Jalen and say that I disagree. I have been asking myself more and more whether I would have become an Alizée fan if the only album I heard was UEdS. I have concluded that I might have liked a few songs and put them on my MP3, but nothing more. Another interesting question would be to consider how different Alizée America would be if there was no "oldschool" Alizée. Would we still have threads such as "Her abs", and would we still have so many young members? It might be that I am simply not mature enough to appreciate her new image; perhaps her old image is simply bound to appeal more to people my age.
Most people I show Alizée's former music to say they love it, but lose most of their enthusiasm after seeing Les Collines and hearing other UEdS songs. I was surprised that our community, which had immersed itself so much in all aspects of her previous work, was not surprised or disappointed after such a dramatic turn. I wasn't around when Psychédélices was discussed, what was the general reaction to that?
I honestly feel bad when writing posts like this. I wish I liked the new Alizée as much as the old one. But I guess "de gustibus non est disputandum", not even with yourself. I still enjoy the new album, I just don't think it's a masterpiece, or that it is Alizée at her best.
The most intriguing question of all is what the future will hold. After Psychédélices, I (and I suppose many others) thought that the real Alizée finally surfaced, and could thus predict her style in the future. I couldn't have been more wrong. Perhaps the most realistic adjective to describe our beloved Alizée is no longer "cute", "hot", "mesmerizing" or any other of the myriads I have encountered, but something much more secretive and exciting: "unpredictable". Standing beside an artist like that truly makes a strong statement about the dedication, willpower and strength of Alizée America.

lefty12357
04-24-2010, 11:00 AM
When I listen to all 4 albums, I think Alizée has done her part consistently well. The first 2 albums were much about a character she played that was created by Mylene and seemed to have universal appeal. And that was a good thing. It got Alizée on the map. The character she put forth in the Psych era kind of missed the mark, I think, but the music was still good in my opinion. Now with the new album, I think she is back on track with the character she has put forth. It is one of an artist who has matured beyond image and is dedicated to the proposition of producing art for art's sake. I think she is now a true artist in her own right. Of course the problem is that this process of evolution can cause her to lose fans, maybe more than she will gain in new fans. Much of it now hinges on people's taste in music rather than a character or image she portrays. Yes, I think Alizée is cute, sexy and all those other adjectives that are usually used to describe her physical appearance. But I have always been focused first on the music, maybe because I am a musician myself.

For me, I have found each one of these iterations compelling and I have enjoyed all the music. I realize this will not be true for everyone, and that's OK. People know what they like and don't like, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with good art versus bad art. Fortunately for me, I continue to enjoy her music and I really do like UEdS.

Jess
04-24-2010, 02:13 PM
Well I'm not going to try to change anyone's view on this. I can only speak for myself and my own taste. But it's quite possible the reason for some reactions is influenced by the fact that we're still comparing her to the old image and music. Which is in the past, she's not catering for the same fans she had then. She's in a different gender of music now, I can definitely see a relation of this album and her previous and it has nothing to do with her first two.

Yes I too loved her MCE era, but I also like her new album for it's own merit and not because I compare them. I mean I listen to a lot of other artist that are not in the happy bubbly gender, like Emilie Simon, Coralie Clement, Sam Neves, Mylene Farmer, Nolwenn Leroy, Jenifer Bartoli, Najoua Belyzel, Lola Dutronic which is also a mix of electronica. The list goes on, and I like them all for their own taste and feel.

It's ok if you don't like the new album, and it's quite ok if you do. It's also ok if you only like some of it, and everyone should be ok with that. But to expect her to cater to your own taste is a little selfish and ridiculous. If I have learned anything from all these comments it's that people like different things, who should she cater to then ?? She's doing what she wants to do, and how she wants to do it. ;)

User22
04-24-2010, 03:30 PM
I think that all 4 albums have been very consistent also...I mean the first 2 were awesome because there was about 15-20 solid songs and about 5 "OH MY GOODNESS SHE IS AMAZING!!!" songs....And there were also what...30 songs combined on here first 2 albums including the MCE International songs? It just made her so easy to like back then with her good looks and vast amount of amazing and "easy to get hooked on for any age" songs.

With Psych and UEDS I'd have to say they hit the spot on the style of music today. Psych is the sort of mainstream pop and UEDS is the funky, trippy, mesmerizingly secretive electro. I really think none of the albums can be compared to others since they were made for different people. So we all like and dislike some. But it just so happens that I love all 4 alot:D:D:D

Rictor
04-24-2010, 07:54 PM
I think that all 4 albums have been very consistent also...I mean the first 2 were awesome because there was about 15-20 solid songs and about 5 "OH MY GOODNESS SHE IS AMAZING!!!" songs....And there were also what...30 songs combined on here first 2 albums including the MCE International songs? It just made her so easy to like back then with her good looks and vast amount of amazing and "easy to get hooked on for any age" songs.


If it were possible to rep you on this particular forum, I would. :D

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-24-2010, 09:15 PM
Lol, I kinda miss my computer really bad... Can't regularly listen to ueds... I listen to the other 4 (including En Concert), but I can't get into them as much... They are all together, in a shuffled playlist, so it goes skipping around the three studio albums. Or I play the En Concert in track order. But I just can't jam out to them like before ueds was released. But I also can't listen to ueds. The unsatisfaction is heartbraking...

Junkmale
04-25-2010, 11:38 AM
Masterpiece?.......um?
Not so sure about that.
I don't dislike it but have to admit that i'm struggling with it.
I want to love it but just think that it's ok. Nothing more or nothing less than that. Think it will take a few more listens before i 'get it'.
I feel that there is a resonable chance that in the future it may become a 'cult' thing and that by word of mouth it will become popular with a lot of people who wouldn't normally listen to her and will have dismissed it as just another 'pop' Alizee album, when it's not.
If that makes sense?

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-25-2010, 12:11 PM
Actually, junkmale, it does make a lot of sense! The way you look at ueds, is pretty much the way I looked at Psychédélices when I first heard it. I do like it quite a lot. But at first, when I heard Décollage, I dismissed it immediately. But I like it a lot now. Maybe the same happened to other people? Who were around at Psych's release, and alreay had liked Gourmandises and MCÉ for months, or even years.

Edit:

...I mean the first 2 were awesome because there was about 15-20 solid songs and about 5 "OH MY GOODNESS SHE IS AMAZING!!!" songs....And there were also what...30 songs combined on here first 2 albums including the MCE International songs?...

Let's see... 10 on Gour, 11 on MCÉ, 15 on MCÉ International, 16 on En Concert, 11 on Psych, 12 on Psych Mexican Tour Edition, and so far 10 for UEdS. So, 10, then 21, 25, 41, 52, 64, 74. I count the 52, because I don't have LIB studio, or any of ueds. But all those calculations are off the top of my head, I may have missed something.

User22
04-25-2010, 02:30 PM
EN CONCERT
L'Alizé
Hey! amigo!
Toc De Mac
J'en Ai Marre!
Lui Ou Toi
Gourmandises
Mon Maquis
J.B.G.
Moi...Lolita
Amélie m'a dit
Parler Tout Bas
C'est trop tard
Youpidou
Tempête
A Contre Courant

GOURMANDISES
Moi... Lolita (Single Version)
Lui ou toi
L'Alizé (Radio Edit)
J.B.G.
Mon maquis
Parler tout bas
Veni vedi vici
Abracadabra
Gourmandises
À quoi rêve une jeune fille

MES COURANTS ELECTRIQUES
I`m Fed Up!
À Contre-Courant
Toc de mac
Amélie
C'est trop tard
Tempête
I`m Not Twenty!
J'ai pas vingt ans
Hey! amigo!
L'e-mail a des ailes
Youpidoo
Coeur déjà pris
J'en ai marre
Amélie m'a dit
Youpidou


PSYCHEDELICES
Mademoiselle Juliette
Fifty Sixty
Mon Taxi Driver
Jamais Plus
Psychedelices
Decollage
Par Les Paupieres
Lilly Town
Lonely List
Idealiser
L'Effet
La Isla Bonita
Fifty Sixty (Rolf Honey Remix)
Mademoiselle Juliette (Datsu Remix Edit)
Fifty Sixty (Edana Remix)

UNE ENFANT DU SIECLE
Eden Eden
Grand central
Limelight
La Candida
Les collines (never leave you)
14 décembre
A coeur fendre
Factory girl
Une fille difficile
Mes Fantômes



66 songs...95% of which are pure amazingness:D:D:D

Those are En Concert, Gourmandises, Mes Courants Electriques(International Version), Psychedelices(Mexican Tour Edition), and Une Enfant Du Siecle.

NOTE: I didn't count Intralizee since she didn't sing, I didn't count J'ai Pas Vingt Ans on En Concert since it was only on the DVD and not the CD.

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-25-2010, 02:53 PM
I counted Intralizée, but I agree, no JPVA or LEMADA. I think I counted Psych and Psych MTE seperately.

wasabi622
04-25-2010, 04:38 PM
Masterpiece?.......um?
Not so sure about that.
I don't dislike it but have to admit that i'm struggling with it.
I want to love it but just think that it's ok. Nothing more or nothing less than that. Think it will take a few more listens before i 'get it'.
I feel that there is a resonable chance that in the future it may become a 'cult' thing and that by word of mouth it will become popular with a lot of people who wouldn't normally listen to her and will have dismissed it as just another 'pop' Alizee album, when it's not.
If that makes sense?

I'm with you there Junkmale.

This new album is taking a bit to build on me. I mean, I don't hate it, but of all the other Alizée albums, it's by far the least listened to one.

The new genre of music that Alizée's pursuing is not one that I listen to at all, so this is all very different from what I'm used to.

thatoneguy
04-25-2010, 04:49 PM
I'm with you there Junkmale.

This new album is taking a bit to build on me. I mean, I don't hate it, but of all the other Alizée albums, it's by far the least listened to one.

The new genre of music that Alizée's pursuing is not one that I listen to at all, so this is all very different from what I'm used to.

While I am relatively new to Alizée, I have to agree. Though it does get more listens than the 3rd one. It may be that the sound is too consistent for me, seeing as a prefer the improvisation that is found in jazz. That being said, it's a decent album. Especially good for relaxation or trying to sleep. That would just be this simpleton's opinion, however.

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-25-2010, 05:13 PM
I never choose which disc plays, I just put all three on shuffle. So all songs and albums get equal exposure with me. All you guys and girls who choose albums and songs, I can't sit there and do that. I may feel at some times that I want to hear one particular song or another, but after that I just let it shuffle.

wasabi622
04-25-2010, 05:20 PM
I never choose which disc plays, I just put all three on shuffle. So all songs and albums get equal exposure with me. All you guys and girls who choose albums and songs, I can't sit there and do that. I may feel at some times that I want to hear one particular song or another, but after that I just let it shuffle.

All three? Do you mean all 5? :p

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-25-2010, 05:25 PM
I don't listen to En Concert with the other three (it's already annoying enough that my mp3 plays English and French Youpidou right beside her!); and I don't have UEdS on my mp3, because no computer.

User22
04-25-2010, 07:11 PM
I don't listen to En Concert with the other three

Ahh come on man, that A Contre-Courant at the end is great on audio or DVD...I love listening to her live on my iPod and then being satisfied once I get home and seeing her singing live:wub::D

VVVACCPLPNLY
04-25-2010, 07:27 PM
I do listen to En Concert audio, but just not with the other discs.

User22
04-25-2010, 07:40 PM
Gotcha, well at least you listen to it and like it...and hey MA posted the audio of the other concerts that were like En Concert as audio if you want to get them once you have your computer back...