Being older and being “physically” attracted to Alizée

[Corsaire]

Since I am an “older” chap (46), it does feel quite awkward to discuss Alizée’s related matters with relatives and friends. I feel that I might be perceived as a dirty old man drooling over videos of a cute young woman on his computer while fantasizing having sex with her . This is really annoying since Alizée does not bring any sexual thought to me. I never think of her in that way, even while watching JEAM in the sailor uniform. I know, strange...

Of course, I do enjoy Alizée’s sexy ways, but not in a typical “sexual” sense. Actually, I rather dislike the few times she showed a little more than I would have liked to see. I do not mind that people find her attractive in that way, it is just not for me.

Any other members find that although the physical attraction is extremely strong, it has nothing to do with any sexual attraction?

Actually, this subject does remind me of how I felt when I watched the movie Lost in Translation. It is a strange feeling. I found Scarlett Johansson to be adorable in that movie. I liked her personality, her looks, her voice, the way she moved... Although there was a strong physical component, there was nothing sexual about it.

[user472884]

Although I do luvs me some Alizée, I too feel nothing for her sexually (various reasons)

All you can do is persevere and show that you love her for more admirable and chaste reasons and that you have nothing but respect for her.

[Iwillmeether]

I'm not older than Alizée, clearly, I am only 17.
I don't generally look at her and feel a strong sexual attraction, but that doesn't mean I couldn't.(:) in case she reads this 0.o)

Any other members find that although the physical attraction is extremely strong, it has nothing to do with any sexual attraction?

YES Every time I see a picture of her soft skin, or just a picture of her smiling, and being happy, it makes me happy and I get an extremely strong urge for a hug :D:wub::D:wub:
Which is apparently weird >.<

[Srd93]

I know what you mean. Me being 17 brings the belief that all I want or find attractive in a girl is her sexual appeal, but with Alizee, I feel the same kind of attraction that you feel. I think it's our infatuation with not only her looks, but her music and her personality that attracts us. She's beautiful and there's nobody like her.

Even my friends can't see why I find her so gorgeous, beautiful, etc. And they all just think I'm obsessed XD. And I think it's just something that can't be expained or understood until you feel it yourself, which is why I've stopped talking about her to my friends because they just won't understand.

[Iwillmeether]

I think it's our infatuation with not only her looks, but her music and her personality that attracts us. She's beautiful and there's nobody like her.

Even my friends can't see why I find her so gorgeous, beautiful, etc. And they all just think I'm obsessed XD. And I think it's just something that can't be expained or understood until you feel it yourself, which is why I've stopped talking about her to my friends because they just won't understand.



:eek: Word for word my life. Im about to give up on my friends, they keep making fun of me, and not really her, but they make alot of French generalizations, which I don't agree with them, I tried to tell them how wrong they were but... meh....

[Scruffydog777]

It does feel awkward because so many people get the wrong impression. I feel much the way you do. I never think of her in a sexual way. I love her voice, her looks, her personality, and the way she dances in a way that far exceeds any love I've had for any singer in my life time and it's nothing more than that.

I think a lot of people who don't like the music, and especially in this country people who don't have the capacity to like a song that's in a language they don't understand, will watch one of her videos and because they don't like the music, they figure the big attraction for us must be some of the sexy outfits she wears.

Not long after finding out about Alizee, I brought a dvd into work to show her to my fellow employees and I think I made the mistake of including some of her early videos such as Moi Lolita Amsterdam and L'Alize top of the pops. Now especially with her performance in Amsterdam, people who don't like the music think the big atttraction is the cheeks of her ass hanging out of her outfit and when they find out she's only 16 at that point, well you can imagine what some of them think.

But it really doesn't bother me. Any of them who thinks that way doesn't know a thing about me. On slow days at work, I'll get out my lap top and watch a few of her videos, knowing what some people are thinking, but I don't give a crap.

I think there are a few family members who think that way too, so for that reason I wish when I was first showing her videos,I had used ones where she was at least 18 and possibly not using the ones where she's in the sailor suit.
Just about every other outfit she wore when singing JAM was gorgeous.

[Junkmale]

I'm with Scruffy on this one.
As an older bloke i couldn't really give a fiddlers what people think.
It is irritating that certain people can be shallow in their mindset but that is their problem and i try not to worry about it too much. I like what i like and shouldn't have to make excuses for it?
Is Alizee a babe? Off course she is. It would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
I also think that Susan Boyle has a terrific voice and do i think of her sexually?

[Iwillmeether]

Are you going to be the one to tell her she can't have a hug?
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[AlizéeInspired]

Even though I'm not "older", I think I get what you're saying. In videos and interviews, her body and the way she carries herself seems to have a certain charisma or attractiveness to it. There are just so many things about her that make her a likable and attractive person. It doesn't matter if you're 15,20,26,50, or 60, anyone can be a fan of Alizée and not be sexually attracted to her.

A lot of my physical attraction is that she is so close to what would be my dream girl in reality. A short, cute brunette who can sing and has a strong personality but is relatively shy (yet has somewhat of wild and outgoing side too). Her looks are what initially brought me to clicking and watching her for the first time in my curiosity. Then, along with her, came her wonderful voice and music. If I didn't like her music, I wouldn't be here.

[Azhiri]

I know for a fact that all of you gentlemen here are very classy, respectful people, and I admire you all for that. I've never seen Alizée being discussed here in a sexual or disrespectful manner. Otherwise I would've been scared off a long time ago.

That being said, I can see why "outsiders" (:p) would get the wrong idea about older men being a fan of Alizée, although they're completely incorrect in their assumptions. Placing yourself in their shoes, had you never heard about Alizée, her music, or her beautiful personality, would you not raise your eyebrows a bit when you saw her, especially in her Gourmandises outfits (I always thought some of them were a little too revealing for a 16-year-old, "legal" or not)? Don't take that the wrong way, I know none of you are perverts and that Alizée's appeal is universal in itself, I'm just saying that some things look different in bad lighting.

There is something about Alizée's presence and the way she carries herself, the expressions she makes, the songs she sings.. pretty much everything about her, that screams "beautiful and classy" rather than "hot/sexy". It's just an indescribable "vibe" thing that all people have, you can tell their nature just by studying their mannerisms.

[Iwillmeether]

I just hugged my laptop hahahahaha
I don't know why I'm not sexually attracted to Lili, that's just not how I roll in my imaginary world. We do stuff like dance, and laugh at how bad I am at dancing, and then we do something scary, so that I can hold onto her :wub:
Im starting to get random. somebody shut me up.

[babyblue558]

I think if I knew Alizée personally, I would far rather have her as a friend than a lover; simply because lovers come and go fairly regularly when you're my age but friendship is far more lasting.

[Azhiri]

I think she seems like she'd be really fun to hang out with. She'd probably want to look at shoes if we went shopping, though, and I hate shoes! :p

[babyblue558]

Placing yourself in their shoes, had you never heard about Alizée, her music, or her beautiful personality, would you not raise your eyebrows a bit when you saw her, especially in her Gourmandises outfits (I always thought some of them were a little too revealing for a 16-year-old, "legal" or not)? Don't take that the wrong way, I know none of you are perverts and that Alizée's appeal is universal in itself, I'm just saying that some things look different in bad lighting.

I know exactly which outfits you mean (those dreadful L'Alizé blue and pink pyjamas, right?) and as I see it that was as a result of Mylène trying to force her own image onto Alizée. I have the utmost respect for the woman and am a massive fan, but during the Gourmandises period I do think she took the "sex appeal" factor too far, considering how young Lili was at the time. I mean Mylène herself, as a sexually mature, good looking and confident 30 something woman could pull off a revealing outfit like that without it seeming uncomfortable or done in poor taste, but when you change 30 something to 16 it's an entirely different matter. I dunno, I just think that maybe Mylène should've waited til the MCE era, by which time Lili had most definitely gone from "girl" to "young woman" before pushing for an explicitly sexy image.

There is something about Alizée's presence and the way she carries herself, the expressions she makes, the songs she sings.. pretty much everything about her, that screams "beautiful and classy" rather than "hot/sexy". It's just an indescribable "vibe" thing that all people have, you can tell their nature just by studying their mannerisms.

EXAAAAACTLY. :D I see hot/sexy girls every day and to be honest, a girl who is only those things doesn't do a lot for me. Girls with class and dignity, such as Lili, are REALLY special. It says a lot about a girl's character too if she can be sexy but know when to stop and prevent it becoming distasteful or crude.

[Iwillmeether]

Okay, so I want you guys to be feelin me, because obviously im just not getting the point across, can someone find me the picture of her sitting on stage in mexico and her legs are just the softest things you have ever seen in your life?

[woohoo]

When I first saw Alizée I thought she was hot but that was before i knew her. I went on my search to find out who she was and I found this site and it quickly became the Classy attraction you all are talking about. If she wasnt attractive to me in the begining I most likly would not be here and would not have found my love for music from around the world.

[Corsaire]

The first thing that struck me about Alizée when I first discovered her was the content of the comments in her YouTube videos. Going through them, I was really impressed by the genuine respect most people have for her. There is relatively very little “I’d do her” type of comments. That did strike me as being quite unusual considering the YouTube crowd. I think that is a testimony to Alizée’s real effect on men.

But in real life, when you are my age and you try to share your passion (*cough*, obsession) for such a beautiful young woman, you have to fight the weight of misconceptions and general narrow mindedness. I agree with Azhiri’s comment about the incredulity of people who don’t know the whole Alizée persona. It must be quite difficult for them to understand that the attraction is not just superficial and/or sexual.

There is also the problem of the “Lolita” look and phenomenon that was exploited quite extensively. For me, watching Alizée perform when she was younger is a little difficult because of all the innuendo in the image and the lyrics of her songs.

[Bigdan]

I don't know how to put it but... I 'm a little bit skeptical about what I read here. Maybe i'm a little too "french" but i'm not comfotable with the way you use the word " sexual", as if it is something bad . Sexual impulses are just natural.
You can't control to have it or not. Having sexual impulse or fantasy and acting in a reasonable way are 2 different things for me.

Yes i'm not young anymore and yes i'm "physically" and sensuously attracted by Alizée ! Especially when she was wearing "aunt Mylène" special outfits !;)

I'm a man, and I can't help it...

But, nevertheless, when I get the chance to meet her in person, I didn't try to talk to her Cause I know what kind of strange feeling it could be to be approach by a fan "like me".:o
I didn't want to embarrass her and I thought that she would like to think that all her fans are youngs handsome boys...:p

So, i would say that i'm ok with your analysis if you talk about the "real" person" she is, I mean the Alizée Jacotey that I saw in the street, but let me assume my fantasies about Alizée the "sexy pop singer".

[Corsaire]

Are you going to be the one to tell her she can't have a hug?
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Ok... This is amazingly beautiful IWMH.
I have never seen this image (just like millions other Alizée pictures), but tell me, is it photoshopped in any way?

[Iwillmeether]

Ok... This is amazingly beautiful IWMH.
I have never seen this image (just like millions other Alizée pictures), but tell me, is it photoshopped in any way?


Umm, not to my knowledge, I just assume that all lili pictures are unedited, but I hope they are unedited, so I mean, just wait for someone else to answer after me hahahaha

[babyblue558]

Especially when she was wearing "aunt Mylène" special outfits !;)

Genuinely laughed out loud! :D

OK I agree Alizée looks extremely sexy in the JEAM and JPVA outfits (two of such Madame Farmer productions :p) but she was 18 when she was wearing them, and for me that makes a huge difference between them and some of the outfits she was wearing at 16... like this'un:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9918/2w4kz2s.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/2w4kz2s.jpg/)

For me, she is still very much a "girl" in the picture above (I think she looks a bit young for her age of 16 as well) and so this is verging on bad taste and a bit weird to see a girl dressed in such a revealing and explicitly sexual manner. See what I'm getting at? MCE era, Alizée is a young woman, so sexy dressing can be classy. Gourmandises era, Alizée is still very much a girl, so sexy dressing can be distasteful and weird.

[Corsaire]

Sexual impulses are just natural.
You can't control to have it or not.

Bigdan, it is not a question of control for me. I have absolutely no sexual impulses for Alizée. Zero. But, I find she is the most beautiful, sexy, charming, talented, generous, joyful, sincere... person in the world. If I would ever meet her and have it my way, I would ask that she smiled to me pour un moment and then let me hug her pour une éternité.

[Iwillmeether]

....and then let me hug her...

Aha!!! I told you guys I'm not weird.

[Srd93]

She seems like someone who'd be your best friends forever, not so much a lover. Although that wouldn't be a bad alternative...

[Iwillmeether]

She seems like someone who'd be your best friends forever, not so much a lover. Although that wouldn't be a bad alternative...

Now you guys are speakin my language, Although I would accept any position, may it be friend, lover or otherwise, as long as i could be with her

[Azhiri]

Umm, not to my knowledge, I just assume that all lili pictures are unedited, but I hope they are unedited, so I mean, just wait for someone else to answer after me hahahaha

Hate to be a spoil-sport but many pictures (but mostly only those from photoshoots, especially the Psyche ones) of Alizée are indeed airbrushed/edited in some way. Otherwise she has an incredible amount of natural beauty, moreso than anyone I've ever seen (the only woman who comes close is Kate Beckinsale, I think she's beautiful).

I don't know how to put it but... I 'm a little bit skeptical about what I read here. Maybe i'm a little too "french" but i'm not comfotable with the way you use the word " sexual", as if it is something bad . Sexual impulses are just natural.


Of course they are. I won't speak for everyone who's posted thus far but when I say "sexual" here I mean either a) blatantly, more-of-an-object-than-a-person sexual, or b) overly-sexual for her age (as long as Gourmandises is the era being discussed).

[Bigdan]

For me, she is still very much a "girl" in the picture above (I think she looks a bit young for her age of 16 as well)

Very important point here.
She always look younger than she is !
I remember that I always had to fight with people convinced that she was 16 in the infamous JEAM outfit...:rolleyes:
That's add to confusion...

[babyblue558]

Very important point here.
She always look younger than she is !
I remember that I always had to fight with people convinced that she was 16 in the infamous JEAM outfit...:rolleyes:
That's add to confusion...

Yeah I think Mylène may have chosen Alizée for the "Lolita" role partly because she looked younger than she was at the time. Lolita in the book was 12, and obviously Mylène would get into endless trouble if she gave the song to a 12 year old girl. Next best thing - a 15, going on 16 year old who looks a good few years younger than she is. That way, she is above the age of consent, so avoids the possible outrage of having such a young person play such a sexual role in as song, but still has a very girlish look to her.

Of course, the fact that she could sing might have also played a part in persuading Mylène to give Moi... Lolita to Alizée ;)

[RobandSandy]

I being 46 as well, when I began to investigate my new discovery of Alizée viewed mainly Gourm and MCE era videos and LIB. And my thoughts were "such a cute girl, such a prodigy, she must be an angel..... etc. Very attractive young lady I said and especially in LIB. My attraction to Alizée and her music touched me so deep in my soul it was so way more than a mere sexual attraction, however, Alizée being the attractive young lady she is, when I tried to share her goodness with a few others, they could not see anything but something sexual. And I am with several others in my age group here, I could really give a crap what others may or may not think. I know how much Alizée means to me, and it is way above a mere sexual attraction, her voice, her smile, her positivity, her dancing, her talent, her accent, ah I could go on but I'll stop there and of course her good looks have made me an Alizée fan for life.

[Bigdan]

Yeah I think Mylène may have chosen Alizée for the "Lolita" role partly because she looked younger than she was at the time. Lolita in the book was 12, and obviously Mylène would get into endless trouble if she gave the song to a 12 year old girl. Next best thing - a 15, going on 16 year old who looks a good few years younger than she is. That way, she is above the age of consent, so avoids the possible outrage of having such a young person play such a sexual role in as song, but still has a very girlish look to her.



Totally true. Mylène love this kind of ambiguous situation...:p

[User22]

The first thing that struck me about Alizée when I first discovered her was the content of the comments in her YouTube videos. Going through them, I was really impressed by the genuine respect most people have for her.

BAHAHAHAHA :p:eek::D:p:eek::D You must have been looking at the wrong videos then hahahaha.

Surf the comments (look at the first one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSxEjwXHcM

After reading this whole thread, I know exactly what you older chaps mean. Civilized people tend to understand this more than those sexualized regular 'ole Americans...

[Naft]

I can say I feel no sexual attraction to Alizée at the age of 17, despite people thinking otherwise. When I'm in school and we're on a free-session where I'm bored I'll watch this forum or some of her videos (I have my folder synced to my computer and laptop), the reactions I got are the same as Scruffy "You don't even get what she's singing, you're just horny.". Whereas the former is only partially true. Call me cheesy but I feel that songs don't need to be in your language to understand their meaning, the language of music is universal. Some people have even been rude enough to ask me "Why do you listen to her music and not watch the videos, that's most of the joy taken away right there"..

I could keep on that point for hours to end, but back on track.

I don't feel a sexual attraction to Alizée, just as you said a physical one. I've never thought of Alizée in a dirty way because I respect her too much, and feel that it would defile my image of her as the cute girl-next door. I do have one dream continuously on end though, and that is me meeting her and speaking in "pretendish" French (like "Uhm, Madame Alizée, tu es une belle et je amour tu musique, et je photographe avec tu es moi. (Of course it makes no sense to anyone that speaks French, but that's what I would say if I was going to ask for a picture taken with her until I develop further language skills) and her accepting it, usually I wake up after that.

[Deepwaters]

I don't know how to put it but... I 'm a little bit skeptical about what I read here. Maybe i'm a little too "french" but i'm not comfotable with the way you use the word " sexual", as if it is something bad . Sexual impulses are just natural.

MERCI Dan! I was thinking the same thing.

First of all, "sexual" and "disrespectful" are not synonyms. It's certainly possible to be sexual (or anything else) in a disrespectful way, but it's perfectly possible to express appreciation for someone you find attractive without it being disrespectful in the least -- it's a compliment, after all. The dividing line is respect for the other person's will and free choice.

As for the age difference thing, that reminds me of a conversation I had not too long ago with a friend of mine who lives, coincidentally, in Paris. ;) (But he grew up in Corsica, so he's not quite as cosmopolitan as a native Parisian like you.) We were in chat, and he showed me a photo of his sister. I told him she was very pretty. (Which is true.) I told him to tell her I said so, and he said then he'd have to explain who I am and so on. I said no, just tell her an American of your acquaintance saw her picture and said she was very pretty. I'm not hitting on her, it's just a compliment and will make her feel good -- she's too far away for me to hit on. He said, "You're too old for her, too," and I said, "That's her decision, not yours."

And it is, or would be if I knew the lady and it was geographically possible. (Even though my friend became Corsican-brother-potentially-armed-and-dangerous at the suggestion. :D) As long as the younger person is an adult, there is nothing wrong with an attraction between people with an age gap between them. Between me and a younger woman, it's always HER decision whether I'm too old for her. I get to decide if she's too YOUNG for me -- meaning too immature. I don't get to decide the other question. That's up to her.

So returning to Her Grace: merely because one is an older man, there is absolutely nothing wrong with finding her physically attractive. Whether there would be something wrong with doing anything about it I suppose depends, or should, on whether you think it's wrong to hit on a married woman. It really shouldn't matter that she's younger; 26 is quite fully adult. I can see that it would have been pretty sleazy back when she was a teenager, but that's not the case today.

Of course, it's also kind of ridiculous to have sexual feelings, beyond simple visual attraction, for someone you've never met, but that's another subject.

EDIT: Oh, if you do ever hit on her, make sure Johann isn't around. Obviously Corsican brothers are a menace. ;)

[User22]

I hope that when Alizee sees this thread that she doesn't have the same problem of understanding what we said as BigDan....cause it could ruin this forums rep haha.

Oh well, Alizee's seen worse...

[Azhiri]

As for the age difference thing, that reminds me of a conversation I had not too long ago with a friend of mine who lives, coincidentally, in Paris. ;) (But he grew up in Corsica, so he's not quite as cosmopolitan as a native Parisian like you.) We were in chat, and he showed me a photo of his sister. I told him she was very pretty. (Which is true.) I told him to tell her I said so, and he said then he'd have to explain who I am and so on. I said no, just tell her an American of your acquaintance saw her picture and said she was very pretty. I'm not hitting on her, it's just a compliment and will make her feel good -- she's too far away for me to hit on. He said, "You're too old for her, too," and I said, "That's her decision, not yours."

And it is, or would be if I knew the lady and it was geographically possible. (Even though my friend became Corsican-brother-potentially-armed-and-dangerous at the suggestion. :D) As long as the younger person is an adult, there is nothing wrong with an attraction between people with an age gap between them. Between me and a younger woman, it's always HER decision whether I'm too old for her. I get to decide if she's too YOUNG for me -- meaning too immature. I don't get to decide the other question. That's up to her.


What were you thinking, telling a guy his sister was pretty? :p

I believe age and attraction have nothing to do with each other (my own parents have a 20 year age gap between them)... except when one of the people involved is just ridiculously young. As you pointed out, yes, it IS sleazy for a much older man (or even a young adult) to be sexually attracted to a 16-year-old (actually, scratch that - sometimes it can't be helped. We'll say it's sleazy for someone to nurture or act on that attraction). That was exactly what I was trying to convey. :)

[User22]

Everyone can just read Azhiri's sig and be done with this thread haha :D

[Naft]

Everyone can just read Azhiri's sig and be done with this thread haha :D

Sexy and sexual attraction aren't the same thing for me, hence my reply. Sure she's a very sexy woman and I can say that, but "sexual attraction" implies a sex appeal, wanting to take it further to an erotic extent. At least that's how I see the words, I might be wrong though as English isn't my first language..

[User22]

Sexy and sexual attraction aren't the same thing for me, hence my reply. Sure she's a very sexy woman and I can say that, but "sexual attraction" implies a sex appeal, wanting to take it further to an erotic extent. At least that's how I see the words, I might be wrong though as English isn't my first language..

Yeah you are correct don't worry.

And yeah I guess sexy and sexual attraction are totally different :o

[Fèvier]

Yeah you are correct don't worry.

And yeah I guess sexy and sexual attraction are totally different :o

Damn you Aaron! You fail again! Jajaja. Just kidding dude :p

But I will admit that there was a good amount of sexual atraction that really boosted my fandom for Alizée and as time passed, that faded away and I realized just how classy she can be! Now there is no sexual attraction for me but like said before she has a sexy and yet classy style to her that just really makes her stand out from many other artists. That what I love about her and I really don't care for any of the little comments I get from my fellow peers about her. (they just don't know any better :rolleyes:)

[Människöpesten]

i don't see her in like....a sexual light at all, save for her song lyrics in MCE era, it's kind of strange really, she's very attractive. it just isn't there.

[Merci Alizée]

Being a fan of Alizee is a gradual process and it passes through different stages over a period of time. During this time people realize different aspects of her personality and accordingly the mentality and image of the girl is shaped. Generally it starts with people seeing her video and finding her beautiful and her presentation quite attractive. This is first stage which is mainly physical along with artistic. In this context, by physical I mean quite a broad term. It means people finding her beautiful and cute at different levels, some even thinking she is most beautiful woman and maybe cutest also. For some it's level of sexiness perceived by them is very high. While this is her natural beauty and gift of almighty, then there another physical aspect which is the way related to her bodily expression. Beautiful moves, sexy dance, expression through eyes and hands, the way she carries herself in front of the people.

Along with that people get to hear her voice and beautiful songs. This is her musical part. This is what Alizee is for most of us during the first impression, first few videos, initial stages of Alizee touching your mind and soul. Now people absorb all these in different degrees. Those who get most of it in their mind and heart, they become a fan and those who don't they rate others according to what they have absorbed. That's why another fan understands your attraction better than people around you.

I always wondered how older people feel about her and what kind of response they get from others especially when it's a case of your wife and kids. But I have always been hesitant to ask this to other members. This forum has fans from all age groups and it's been easier to ask the younger members such questions.

For younger fans, people find it natural that they are attracted to a young beautiful girl though they are measuring them just on the impression of Alizee they have absorbed. I don't think it's bad that other measure it purely on physical level.

For older members, other people find it weird thinking how you can be physically attracted to someone who is half of your age. But this is only due to the fact that they haven't got most part of above mentioned aspects to a certain level. So, don't worry about it.

Next stage is when people start discovering her more and realize other aspects of her personality through reading interviews, videos and discussions with other fans. That's when the fandom is cemented and once you are through the life-cycle of her career (third stage where people have to face slowness and negativity all around), you become a long time fan and she becomes an integral part of your life. All this is independent of the age, but those who are not fans don't reach these stages and can't understand what you feel. This is where it hardly matters whether you are 18 or 58.

Like it was said earlier that being sexually attracted and disrespectful are two different things, it's not bad to be have physical attraction with the girl. It can be to anyone. It gets bad only when you are disrespectful. One can lead himself to being disrespectful by having only one desire and that is - getting her physically.

There can be zero attraction at sexual level and only attraction towards music and/or some of other physical aspects which I mentioned earlier. Degree of all this depends on your age, mentality, cultural background. When you are old, people generally don't expect you to have too much physical attraction and culturally, as in my case, people find it weird to have any type of obsession even if it's musically.

So, let others decide according to their mindset, it's never reflects what you think and probably others won't even realize it.

I have to leave it here only. I want to say more, but don't have time for it.

[User22]

MA you should move that and create "The stages of Lilly-fandom" thread :D It would be great! And then you could explain more to us when you have time. It's a good thread starter in my opinion :) Thanks for the insight to :)

[Merci Alizée]

MA you should move that and create "The stages of Lilly-fandom" thread :D It would be great! And then you could explain more to us when you have time. It's a good thread starter in my opinion :) Thanks for the insight to :)

You wouldn't have said that if I had summarized my opinion just as other people fail to get what she means to us and that's why take our feeling as just mere physical or precisely sexual attraction, that's why there is no need to worry about what they say. :p

[pepelepew]

Being a fan of Alizee is a gradual process and it passes through different stages over a period of time. During this time people realize different aspects of her personality and accordingly the mentality and image of the girl is shaped. Generally it starts with people seeing her video and finding her beautiful and her presentation quite attractive. This is first stage which is mainly physical along with artistic. In this context, by physical I mean quite a broad term. It means people finding her beautiful and cute at different levels, some even thinking she is most beautiful woman and maybe cutest also. For some it's level of sexiness perceived by them is very high. While this is her natural beauty and gift of almighty, then there another physical aspect which is the way related to her bodily expression. Beautiful moves, sexy dance, expression through eyes and hands, the way she carries herself in front of the people.

Along with that people get to hear her voice and beautiful songs. This is her musical part. This is what Alizee is for most of us during the first impression, first few videos, initial stages of Alizee touching your mind and soul. Now people absorb all these in different degrees. Those who get most of it in their mind and heart, they become a fan and those who don't they rate others according to what they have absorbed. That's why another fan understands your attraction better than people around you.

I always wondered how older people feel about her and what kind of response they get from others especially when it's a case of your wife and kids. But I have always been hesitant to ask this to other members. This forum has fans from all age groups and it's been easier to ask the younger members such questions.

For younger fans, people find it natural that they are attracted to a young beautiful girl though they are measuring them just on the impression of Alizee they have absorbed. I don't think it's bad that other measure it purely on physical level.

For older members, other people find it weird thinking how you can be physically attracted to someone who is half of your age. But this is only due to the fact that they haven't got most part of above mentioned aspects to a certain level. So, don't worry about it.

Next stage is when people start discovering her more and realize other aspects of her personality through reading interviews, videos and discussions with other fans. That's when the fandom is cemented and once you are through the life-cycle of her career (third stage where people have to face slowness and negativity all around), you become a long time fan and she becomes an integral part of your life. All this is independent of the age, but those who are not fans don't reach these stages and can't understand what you feel. This is where it hardly matters whether you are 18 or 58.

Like it was said earlier that being sexually attracted and disrespectful are two different things, it's not bad to be have physical attraction with the girl. It can be to anyone. It gets bad only when you are disrespectful. One can lead himself to being disrespectful by having only one desire and that is - getting her physically.

There can be zero attraction at sexual level and only attraction towards music and/or some of other physical aspects which I mentioned earlier. Degree of all this depends on your age, mentality, cultural background. When you are old, people generally don't expect you to have too much physical attraction and culturally, as in my case, people find it weird to have any type of obsession even if it's musically.

So, let others decide according to their mindset, it's never reflects what you think and probably others won't even realize it.

I have to leave it here only. I want to say more, but don't have time for it.excellent insight on so many levels. Very wise analysis. Alizee is cute, beautiful and sexy at the same time.The way she moves,speaks, facial expressions, smiles are very classy and congruent always. I never get any mixed messages in other words from facial expressions, voice tones, body language and in interviews, music video's, or random sightings. Alizee appears always present and engaged. If I had a daughter I would want her to be just like Alizee.:)

[severianb]

Ok, I really want to comment on this thread, started by one of the great scholars of the Wonder that is Alizée. However, it's late and I've got to go to bed... so I'll do it justice tomorrow. Merci..... uh, Merci.

[Corsaire]

Ok, I really want to comment on this thread, started by one of the great scholars of the Wonder that is Alizée. ...

Thought you were talking about me for a minute there... :(

BTW, impressive comments so far. We should have a faq about Alizée and a section called "Disease progression" where we could add MA's post.

[Chuck]

Being almost fuggin' fifty, I gotts ta say: I have taken a lot of crap for being an Alizée fan. But you know what? I just shrug it off.

I don't know - even Wasabi's mentioned he's had to deal with a lot of friends ribbing him about liking her. Me, I get it from the wife, from the kids, from the wife's friends... And honestly, in my heart of hearts, I have to admit that if she looked like Susan Boyle, I might not be here.

But as it happens, she's one of the prettiest people on the planet. And that in itself means a lot. It makes it a lot more enjoyable to watch her videos. Being attractive isn't a crime. And as Bigdan put it, being sexy isn't such a bad thing either. I do now realize that America is a lot more puritanical than a lot of European countries in this respect. Here, we're very jaded, and quick to judge that "sexy = no talent". (Like, say, Shakira, for example.) But in the case of Alizée, she's the total package. She can sing like an angel, she can dance, and she's very easy to look at, too. It makes me feel like getting involved to try to get the rest of the country on board.

If anything, though, it's that precocious sexiness of "Lolita" or "J'ai pas vingt ans" that now seems to be one thing hindering our efforts. Ironically, what helped the 15-18-year-old Alizée sell records then, now seems to be holding her back, as far as the American market is concerned. Most Americans would watch her early vids and say "yeah, she's talented and everything, but showing off her butt like that, that's just wrong". And how can we, as her loyalest of acolytes, disagree? Laws can be changed, but the American populace's perception of morality is a lot harder to bend.

And, regrettably, that goes for my wife and kids, too. (They've been slowly coming around, though. In fact, my eldest (learning French in school) just got a short haircut with curls, that was almost identical to Alizée's when she was performing in Moscow.)

But, to get back on track here, do I feel like a "dirty old man" when I listen to Lili? Or watch her videos? No.

Above anything else, I admire Lili for her talent. For her perfect voice. And for the way her music has the power to make me feel happy and serene. To be frank, even Mrs. Chuck can't make me feel that way. (And you don't want to hear her trying to sing - I love my wife, but she can't carry a tune in a bucket or a wheelbarrow or anything. My skin crawls just thinking about it.)

Actually, I've recently decided that every song in the entire world would be a lot better if the "la-la-la-la-la" refrain from "Toc de mac" was a part of it.


I think that's why I'm passionate about Alizée. Because if all the world leaders were Alizée fans like us, who'd ever want to start a war?

[user472884]

I hate shoes! :p
Azhiri: 111


For me, she is still very much a "girl" in the picture above (I think she looks a bit young for her age of 16 as well) and so this is verging on bad taste and a bit weird to see a girl dressed in such a revealing and explicitly sexual manner. See what I'm getting at? MCE era, Alizée is a young woman, so sexy dressing can be classy. Gourmandises era, Alizée is still very much a girl, so sexy dressing can be distasteful and weird.

I agree.

If they were really going to be true to the Lolita character, she wouldn't have worn anything like she did. Dolores never dressed sensually or anything of the sort, she dressed plainly (I think it even mentioned her unwashed clothes at one point) and unremarkably. The Lolita is the girl in the clothes, not the clothes on the girl (neither of which apply to Alizée, imho)

What were you thinking, telling a guy his sister was pretty? :p


Man Law #16: Never say anything about a bro's sister. Ever.


And yeah I guess sexy and sexual attraction are totally different :o

I don't know how to put it but... I 'm a little bit skeptical about what I read here. Maybe i'm a little too "french" but i'm not comfotable with the way you use the word " sexual", as if it is something bad . Sexual impulses are just natural.

This is how I personally define things.

Attraction: A pure love, undefined by sexual feelings, where all you can think about is being with that person because they are that person.

Sexual Attraction: Our natural human instincts to unconsciously/willingly select a mate of the opposite gender who our body and brain's chemicals decide to be a mate with desirable traits and features in effort to create the most successful offspring.

Sexy: Consciously made efforts to purport oneself as having the desirable traits and features as above. Unnatural, fake.

[C-4]

I have to agree with the perceptions other older fans have had to endure.
I get crap from my bandmates, and although my wife used to tease me about listening to Alizée, she finally came around.

I have not let anyone's comments bother me about it. I try to introduce her songs to others and if they find that they don't care to listen, or find me slightly weird for liking Alizée, it is their loss.

I don't care for these american black soul or hip hop artists, as they portray themselves in a way that implies something vulgar and more appealing to a young guy with sex on his mind. This is just my personal observation, but that is what I get from the vids and commercials.

I don't see it as a class act, nor do I see them as being sexy. They look like rich trashy types trying to appeal to the ghetto crowd.

Alizée always shows herself to have true class and dignity when she performs.
She conducts her private life in a respectful way out of the news and low key.

I've learned that I must be true to myself, and secure in my personal beliefs first. Whatever others may think, if they do not know me or are just speculating, it doesn't bother me. In the end it is they who look foolish, not me.

There are so few artists today that exude Alizée's class, talent, and cross-cultural appeal that I don't really listen to anything else but French pop anymore. I have learned to enjoy other French artists because of Alizée, but no one will replace her as my favorite.

[Uroboros]

Any other members find that although the physical attraction is extremely strong, it has nothing to do with any sexual attraction?


Me. I never think about her like that. They once called me gay for that! Then I told them something that their mother wouldn't like to hear... :rolleyes:

Anyway, All I feel for her is an incredibly strong admiration, the love from a fan to his idol :wub:

[Corsaire]

Because of the situation I now prefer not discussing the issue with family and friends and this is a pity.

Not many posts here touch the very core of the problem. I have a true physical attraction to Alizée. I would not be a fan if she was not as good looking as she is or if she did not move through space so gracefully. And her facial expressions, I just love them. That is the crucial part of the problem. People around me can tell that this physical component is very important (this is my case, it does not have to be this way for all her fans, of course) and they therefore make it a sexual issue. They rarely mention it, but I can feel that is what they think. This physical attraction puzzles me as well since it is so strong, so pure and so innocent. I never had that type of a feeling for a person. I don’t have children and I lost my father at a very young age, therefore, I do not have a clear idea of what paternal archetypal love is. Maybe this is what I feel for Alizée.

Some people mention their wife. I have also found difficulties there. My wife knows very well how much I love her and how beautiful she is to me, but still, I think that for the moment, she cannot overcome the insecurity feeling that comes from your spouse being attracted to a much younger person. I do understand and I know I would have quite a lot of difficulties coping with the situation if it was reversed.

I am mainly frustrated because I cannot share my feelings with the people that are close to me. I do understand why they cannot see what I see and feel what I feel, but it is still frustrating. I would like to find a way to introduce Alizée to people around me without them having this initial reaction. I think this is what bothers me. I have always had that need of sharing what I believe is beautiful and meaningful. At least I discovered AAm and it helps me cope with this need.

Edit:

Here, I don’t mention Alizée's personality and talent as well as all the respect I have for the way she handles her career and what we know of her personal life, but that is a given. I just concentrate on the physical part because that is where the problem of perception comes from.

[Scruffydog777]

Because of the situation I now prefer not discussing the issue with family and friends and this is a pity.

Not many posts here touch the very core of the problem. I have a true physical attraction to Alizée. I would not be a fan if she was not as good looking as she is or if she did not move through space so gracefully. And her facial expressions, I just love them. That is the crucial part of the problem. People around me can tell that this physical component is very important (this is my case, it does not have to be this way for all her fans, of course) and they therefore make it a sexual issue. They rarely mention it, but I can feel that is what they think. This physical attraction puzzles me as well since it is so strong, so pure and so innocent. I never had that type of a feeling for a person. I don’t have children and I lost my father at a very young age, therefore, I do not have a clear idea of what paternal archetypal love is. Maybe this is what I feel for Alizée.

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It's very hard if not down right impossible to measure how much her physical beauty means to us in how we feel about her music. I absolutely love the music. I listen to her music much more than I watch her videos, but to be honest, I've watched her videos so many times, when I'm listening to one of her cds, I can picture her as if she were standing in front of me.

For me though, I'm sure I would still love her music, even if she looked like the the south end of a north bound hippopotamus. But would I have gone to Paris twice unsuccessfuly to try and see one of her concerts, would I have gone to Pistoia and Taormina in Italy, would I have done what I did with the radio ads if she didn't look as incredibly beautiful as she does? No I wouldn't have, her physical beauty does play a huge role.

Then you throw in the way she dances. As they say, poetry in motion. Not only the great dances such as JPVA, JAM and Moi Lolita, but also during En Concert, in songs where there's no set dance, she just moves around the stage in a way that's hard to describe. I didn't really like the song Mon Maquis from En Concert, but I loved the way she moved across the stage and then was dancing around the drummer. I'm sure most of you remember the video I posted of it.

As far as family is concerned, my sister who lives less than 2 blocks away from me I think now has a better understanding of my feelings. In the beginning, I had showed her many of Alizée's videos including the 2 Stars a domicile episodes and the M6 awards, but I think the thing that really made her understand was when I went to the autograph session in march of last year. I didn't know it until I got back, but her and her husband followed the whole thing on AA. So I'm sure she got to see that Alizée has fans of all ages and she saw other threads similar to this one where fans tell about their feelings for her.
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[Azhiri]

Some people mention their wife. I have also found difficulties there. My wife knows very well how much I love her and how beautiful she is to me, but still, I think that for the moment, she cannot overcome the insecurity feeling that comes from your spouse being attracted to a much younger person. I do understand and I know I would have quite a lot of difficulties coping with the situation if it was reversed.

I definitely would feel very insecure in her position. I'd even go so far as to say that I would never, ever show Alizee to a boyfriend. That may sound ridiculous but I'd feel too insecure because, you know, his attention would be directed towards her, a much more beautiful girl.

It goes without saying but just keep letting her know how special she is to you. :)

[Corsaire]

I definitely would feel very insecure in her position. I'd even go so far as to say that I would never, ever show Alizee to a boyfriend. That may sound ridiculous but I'd feel too insecure because, you know, his attention would be directed towards her, a much more beautiful girl.

It goes without saying but just keep letting her know how special she is to you. :)

Nothing to worry about :)

You know the funny thing?
Since I discovered Alizée, I find my wife even more beautiful in every way. My wife has never had any shortage of love and admiration from me and she gets told about it all the time. But somehow some of the things that I love so much about her are even more evident since I discovered Alizée. The inner youth, the playfulness, the sincerity, the generosity, the killer smile, all this in a very attractive physique. She is a natural beauty all over. It will be 30 years soon that we are together and she has been my reason to live ever since I meet her.

Alizée does bring positivity in many ways, doesn’t she?

Edit:

My wife probably thinks she is not as beautiful as Alizée, but she is wrong. And you will be proven wrong too... when you meet the man of your dreams (if not done already).

[Bigdan]

That may sound ridiculous but I'd feel too insecure because, you know, his attention would be directed towards her, a much more beautiful girl.


You don't seems to be really in danger...:p

Your're pretty enough to be secure...:)


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[Corsaire]

On a side note, one additional problem in introducing Alizée to a crowd of people who are predominantly French speaking (my case) is that the early years do come with lyrics that are not that appropriate for all. I am pretty sure a person speaking English could not get all the subtleties and all the double entendre in Alizée’s early songs. Translations and subtitles will not reveal any of that. Even if one knows French quite fluently, these little twists in meaning are not that evident.

French pop culture is well known for having young female singers using lyrics that have several meanings (and often a sexual connotation) and MF is not the first, neither the best at this. The classical example is "Les sucettes" (The Lollipops) written by Gainsbourg for France Gall. You might like this little innocent sounding song until you realize what it is about. I quite like the song myself and here is a not so revealing video for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6Te6nibTU&feature=related

Once you know the intent of Gainsbourg though, the lyrics are nothing but sexual. Anyone interested in this topic can research it further at their own risk. The story of the song is quite interesting and the official video is easily found on YouTube. Beware! Strong implicit sexuality.

I would never say Alizée’s early lyrics go that far, but they are much more charged with sexual undertones than what the vast majority of English speaking people would think.

Is this sort of thing bad? That is not for me to say. I am just saying that introducing Alizée to a French speaking crowd while stating there is absolutely nothing sexual about the attraction is a little difficult.

No Bigdan! ;) I did not say that "sexual" content is inherently bad. Just that it might be present when you don’t want any of it and this is my case with Alizée.

[Deepwaters]

I am just saying that introducing Alizée to a French speaking crowd while stating there is absolutely nothing sexual in the attraction is a little difficult.

Well, and it should be, because (to speak frankly) that's not even credible, unless one is either female or gay. Show me a straight man who says he feels no sexual attraction -- note: "attraction" is not to be confused with "intent" -- for Alizée, and I'll show you a man who lies to himself. That simple.

Why worry about it? She's not only lovely and sexy but also, in all the evidence I've seen, a very nice person, someone who would be great to be close to emotionally as well as physically. How can a man NOT feel an attraction to her?

It's one thing to deny that that's ALL that's going on. She's talented, she has a lovely voice, and she puts on a good show, so it's clear to anyone who looks past the surface that there's a lot more there than just sex appeal. But to deny that sex appeal is involved at all is just asking for incredulity, because it's a lie.

BTW, I did notice your place of residence. Is French or English your first language? If it's French, I have to say your grasp of English is remarkable.

[Corsaire]

Well, and it should be, because (to speak frankly) that's not even credible, unless one is either female or gay....

... BTW, I did notice your place of residence. Is French or English your first language? If it's French, I have to say your grasp of English is remarkable.

No... :( ... Deepwaters... not the gay thing again...

In any case, I take your comment about the quality of my written English to be quite a compliment. I am French-Canadian and I was educated in the French school system. Depending on the upbringing and the profession, people in the province of Québec (especially in the city of Montréal, where I come from) can be fluent in both French and English. You will notice some French "turns" of phrases in my posts. I hope this makes it fun for the crowd :o... I also wish my English (and French) vocabulary would be richer... :o

[Deepwaters]

No... :( ... Deepwaters... not the gay thing again...


Heh, I just meant that only for a gay man (or a woman) would appreciation for her art be utterly free of any sexual aspect. That may actually be why she values her gay fans. She knows that they, at least, aren't into her solely because she's hot (not that I think that's true of her straight fans, either; it's certainly not true of me).


You will notice some French "turns" of phrases in my posts. I hope this makes it fun for the crowd :o... I also wish my English (and French) vocabulary would be richer... :o

You're right: "would be richer" is indeed a French turn of phrase; je souhaite que mon vocabulaire en anglais et en français seraient plus riches. A native English speaker would say "were richer." However, the way you put it is equally correct grammatically, so it's cool :cool:

You obviously are fluent in English. It's difficult to tell you aren't a native speaker of the language (in writing at least).

[Corsaire]

Heh, I just meant that only for a gay man (or a woman) would appreciation for her art be utterly free of any sexual aspect. That may actually be why she values her gay fans. She knows that they, at least, aren't into her solely because she's hot (not that I think that's true of her straight fans, either; it's certainly not true of me).

Well, I am neither gay nor a woman and I love every single inch of the beautiful Alizée without any sexual thought in my head.

You're right: "would be richer" is indeed a French turn of phrase; je souhaite que mon vocabulaire en anglais et en français seraient plus riches. A native English speaker would say "were richer." However, the way you put it is equally correct grammatically, so it's cool :cool:

You obviously are fluent in English. It's difficult to tell you aren't a native speaker of the language (in writing at least).

Good pick! But, my turn now...

Your French is really good, indeed. But I would make your translation a little better by rephrasing it this way :

« Je souhaiterais que mes vocabulaires anglais et français soient plus riches. »

Edit:

You’ll also find plenty of "phonetic replacements" in my posts:

then – than
you’re – your
to – too
three – tree

Date sort a ting. You can let me no if I get to many in dare, I don't mind.
Depends on how tired or excited I am.

BTW, the typical French-Canadian accent in English is quite funny. Have you ever heard it?

We do our best to fit in, you know...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4pGwlif0U

[user472884]

a much more beautiful girl.


I'd argue with that.

[Deepwaters]

I'd argue with that.

I would, too. ;)

Corsaire, thanks for the correction! No one will ever mistake me for a native French speaker. Or at least, not anytime soon. :o Although I've learned a lot and am much better than I used to be.

(LOL at your phonetic mangling -- only someone who is very familiar with English would know how to do that.) :)

[Corsaire]

I would, too. ;)

Corsaire, thanks for the correction! No one will ever mistake me for a native French speaker. Or at least, not anytime soon. :o Although I've learned a lot and am much better than I used to be.



Deepwaters,

We both know how difficult it is to learn French while it is much easier to learn English. The whole world (well, most of it anyway) is now immersed in the English language. Also, grammatically speaking, French is tortuous and full of traps. Maybe this is to fool the enemy... I have an utmost respect for anyone who attempts to learn French as a second (third…) language.

Tu es vraiment très gentil.

[user472884]

French is tortuous and full of traps.

Could you give some examples?

I'm learning French as my third language (after Spanish) studying for about a year now. I haven't found it to be very difficult at all, in fact, I find that French grammar agrees with the way my brain works better than English does!
Maybe French seems somewhat easier to me because of the pretty strong background in Romance grammar I got while learning Spanish. I like the Romance grammar so much I'm about to start learning Italian again for my fourth language!

[Deepwaters]

I'm finding that the grammar isn't that hard to understanding, being fairly straightforward, and that the problems I face mostly involve gender and number (as above w/r/t "vocabulaires" v. "vocabulaire"). Gender, eh, it's not as bad as German, which I studied for several years. (German has three genders, and what gets each one often makes no sense whatever.) The vocabulary is pretty easy, as there is so much of French in English vocabulary. That's because of the Norman conquest, of course, as well as the fact that France and England are neighbors and have had a very long and often violent history of interaction.

Merci Corsaire, tu es très gentile aussi. :)

[DrSmith]

(German has three genders...)

Is this the third one?

http://jaredsbrane.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bill-kaulitz.jpeg

[Deepwaters]

LOL no, that's definitely female. :p

[Corsaire]

Ok you guys, let's not derail this thread yet. Jalen and DrSmith are in so we are in trouble. ;) Tell you what, you guys start a thread about the French language complexities in the off-topic section and I think I can make your head spin whenever I have a minute to post there. I am not saying French is the most difficult language to learn, I am just saying it is quite difficult compare to English. Jalen, you have a good background to ease into French learning, but is it that easy to you? Don't reply here... New thread please!

[user472884]

Wow, Brooke Shields looks really young!

I'll admit that it's harder to discern gender in French than in Spanish, but I really don't have a problem with that in either language (I just say the word in my head and see which article sounds better...)

My biggest problem (more with Spanish, since I learned French more naturally, not "chat = cat") is synthesis, it takes me an extra second or two to think what I want to say in my head and make sure I've chosen the right words before I speak.

I can read and write just fine; I can read most of FerAunger's facebook posts perfectly fine

[DrSmith]

I did my piece, I'm outta here. ;)

[Azhiri]

I'd argue with that.

I would, too. ;)


Oh, you guys. I'm blushing. :wub:

http://jaredsbrane.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bill-kaulitz.jpeg

Bill Kaulitz of Tokyo Hotel? Ew.

BUT THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING THREAD AND I DON'T WANT IT TO GO DOWNHILL SO SHOO

[user472884]

I just love Alizée!
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=6059&g2_serialNumber=5&g2_GALLERYSID=d2e7e2a545036b4c858bf56060b2ef77

fixt
I fixt the hole, where the rain came in, my mind's not stopped to wonder, what I'll fixt next!

[DrSmith]

I don't remember posting that, but that's exactly what I was thinking. Cheers, Jally.

[user472884]

I don't remember posting that, but that's exactly what I was thinking. Cheers, Jally.

Neither do I, but I'm glad you did.

[pepon66]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff214/pepon66/varios/bomba_atmica400x300.gif

[wasabi622]

Is this the third one?

http://jaredsbrane.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/bill-kaulitz.jpeg

Uh.. what is it? :blink:

[DrSmith]

You don't know about Tokio Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokio_Hotel)?

[wasabi622]

You don't know about Tokio Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokio_Hotel)?

I do now..








Also: That's a dude?!:eek:

[Naft]

I do now..








Also: That's a dude?!:eek:
His name and broad chin tells me it is, his name is "Bill Kaulitz".. Although I agreed, at first look I wasn't sure whether or not it was a girl or a guy I was looking at.

[wasabi622]

His name and broad chin tells me it is, his name is "Bill Kaulitz".. Although I agreed, at first look I wasn't sure whether or not it was a girl or a guy I was looking at.

I was so confused.. I mean, his tiny wrists, the eye makeup, the overall disturbingly feminine face.. jeez, I feel so confused and dirty right now.

[Uroboros]

More and more bands like Tokio Hotel are appearing. Look at this brazillian band called Restart:
http://curitibando.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/restart-em-joinville.jpg

Why would someone want to look like that? :eek:

[DrSmith]

Well they just look howwible. D:

[wasabi622]

I blame Koreans.. and other feminine Asian "guys".

http://i55.tinypic.com/r0z23c.jpg

[Uroboros]

I blame Koreans.. and other feminine Asian "guys".

http://i55.tinypic.com/r0z23c.jpg

Geez! :blink:

[DrSmith]

These aren't all the same style though. The guys from Restart aren't feminine at all, they just have stupid hair and dress horribly. I don't care for their look one bit. Those Asian guys are androgynous but not incredibly feminine. There are some who go much further than that. Bill, for example, looks a lot more girly than they do.

But anyway, I'm not bothered by how these people choose to present themselves. It's not necessary for all members of the same sex to look basically the same. That would be boring. :rolleyes:

I didn't expect my little joke to take us way off topic.

[Uroboros]

That's right, Dr, Restart dresses horribly, but girls love them! That lets everyone insane around here!

[user472884]

I blame Koreans.. and other feminine Asian "guys".

http://i55.tinypic.com/r0z23c.jpg

I can't tell you how many fuckin' fobs at my old school looked like that...

especially the ones with the copper highlights.... FUCK IT ENRAGES ME

I'm beginning to think that most modern Korean men are in fact, gay.

(My reasons stemming from the alarming number of koreans I've seen with that hairstyle and shirts that are cut from the very edges of the shoulders to about their belly buttons)

[Iwillmeether]

We're kinda straying off track...
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:wub::wub::wub: Giiiirl you got some perty lips :wub::wub::wub:

[DrSmith]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101124124322/scottpilgrim/images/c/c5/Ramona_strong-1-.gif ^b&!
:wub::wub::wub: Giiiirl you got some perty lips :wub::wub::wub:

[Iwillmeether]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101124124322/scottpilgrim/images/c/c5/Ramona_strong-1-.gif ^b&!

Totally worth it.

[Bigdan]

... That's because of the Norman conquest, of course, as well as the fact that France and England are neighbors and have had a very long and often violent history of interaction.


I like the way you put it...:p

[wasabi622]

Any other members find that although the physical attraction is extremely strong, it has nothing to do with any sexual attraction?

Actually, this subject does remind me of how I felt when I watched the movie Lost in Translation. It is a strange feeling. I found Scarlett Johansson to be adorable in that movie. I liked her personality, her looks, her voice, the way she moved... Although there was a strong physical component, there was nothing sexual about it.

As an Alizée fan, this is probably the hardest aspect of our fandom to explain to other people. Especially if you were an 18 year old guy like I was when I first discovered her. The moment I showed any of my friends any of her performances, they'd instantly go "Pshhh, dude, you only like her cuz she's hawt." With the JEAM dance and that "la la la la la" part in JPVA, it's a slippery slope.

So now that I think about it, they're right... partially. Though as the title of this thread suggests, I don't think it matters of what age you are. The first thing that caught my eye was "Damn. She's gorgeous." then it was her songs that came to. So in a sense, it is the fact that she's so sexy that started my fandom, but not in the sense of sexual desire. I think we've all been pretty clear on that.

I also liked the Lost In Translation example you used. It happens to be one of my favorite movies, and I completely agree with you about Scarlett Johansson in that movie. She played a very.. attractive character, both physically and characteristically. But sexual desire? Not really.

[Iwillmeether]

...So now that I think about it, they're right... partially. Though as the title of this thread suggests, I don't think it matters of what age you are. The first thing that caught my eye was "Damn. She's gorgeous."

you said somethin about sexual desire but I accedentily deleted it :/ anyway...

I feel like it's in me somewhere, but I just learned to tame it. Either that, or it got decked when I found out she was married. It's there, but under control.

[wasabi622]

you said somethin about sexual desire but I accedentily deleted it :/ anyway...

I feel like it's in me somewhere, but I just learned to tame it. Either that, or it got decked when I found out she was married. It's there, but under control.

Eh, you're a heterosexual male. It happens. But as long as it's under control, it's all good. :)

[Corsaire]

As an Alizée fan, this is probably the hardest aspect of our fandom to explain to other people. Especially if you were an 18 year old guy like I was when I first discovered her. The moment I showed any of my friends any of her performances, they'd instantly go "Pshhh, dude, you only like her cuz she's hawt." With the JEAM dance and that "la la la la la" part in JPVA, it's a slippery slope.

So now that I think about it, they're right... partially. Though as the title of this thread suggests, I don't think it matters of what age you are. The first thing that caught my eye was "Damn. She's gorgeous." then it was her songs that came to. So in a sense, it is the fact that she's so sexy that started my fandom, but not in the sense of sexual desire. I think we've all been pretty clear on that.

I also liked the Lost In Translation example you used. It happens to be one of my favorite movies, and I completely agree with you about Scarlett Johansson in that movie. She played a very.. attractive character, both physically and characteristically. But sexual desire? Not really.

It’s certainly reassuring to see that the sexual attraction is not that important or even nonexistent for so many of Alizée’s male fans. I did not necessarily expect that. But my discovery of Alizée is rather recent and I have plenty to learn about her and her fans.

I really think the age factor is important here. You are rather young (well, relative to me :)) but as you get older, I think you might find there is a tipping point where you suddenly don’t feel it is so natural to look at women that are so much younger than yourself. This also depends on other factors, of course, like culture and individual sensitivities to those things.

The JPVA bending over to reveal the cheeks is one of the few things I wish Alizée would not have done. But I can easily forgive her for doing so and I don’t mind if others like it. It's just not for me.

Lost in Translation is an amazing movie.

[wasabi622]

It’s certainly reassuring to see that the sexual attraction is not that important or even nonexistent for so many of Alizée’s male fans. I did not necessarily expect that. But my discovery of Alizée is rather recent and I have plenty to learn about her and her fans.

I really think the age factor is important here. You are rather young (well, relative to me :)) but as you get older, I think you might find there is a tipping point where you suddenly don’t feel it is so natural to look at woman that are so much younger than yourself. This also depends on other factors, of course, like culture and individual sensitivities to those things.

The JPVA bending over to reveal the cheeks is one of the few things I wish Alizée would not have done. But I can easily forgive her for doing so and I don’t mind if others like it. It's just not for me.

Lost in Translation is an amazing movie.

Even though I am quite young, I do know what you mean by that tipping point, or at least I think I do. I kind of felt the same away about Ewa Farna, for when I first found out about her, she was only 16. Now I hesitated because in the US, she's a legal minor, whereas I'm a legal adult. So in that sense, I did feel a bit awkward about it, but then again, she's only 3 years younger than me.


Of course.. the JPVA butt cheeks. I actually never realized this, for I only watch performances of this, but the only time I realized how much attention that part of the song was getting was by watching all the fan made videos on youtube. There was plenty of that going around. In fact, too much. You'd think the entire song was about her bending over to show off that rear end. I just think that people saw that as something they liked and ran off with it.

[Deepwaters]

I like the way you put it...:p

Well, it's the truth. The Hundred Years War, the Seven Years War (which we call the French and Indian War on this side of the pond), the whole mess of war following the French Revolution and culminating at the Battle of Waterloo. Seems like the two countries have been at war throughout their history more than they've been at peace, except that they finally got tired of that crap in 1815 and haven't fought each other since. ;)

(As both countries have nuclear weapons today, it's a good thing, too.)

Just a note to the rest of you guys: believe it or not, a woman does not want to hear that you have no sexual interest in her. :cool:

[user472884]

The JPVA bending over to reveal the cheeks is one of the few things I wish Alizée would not have done.

Me too, but you have to remember if she had any control over what she did during this time, bending over like that would definitely have been at the bottom of her list of things she'd like to do

[Rev]

Me too, but you have to remember if she had any control over what she did during this time, bending over like that would definitely have been at the bottom of her list of things she'd like to do

Of course she did have control over what she did - she was obviously OK with the mild tease involved. What she had no control over was the performace location where there turned out to be people behind her when she did her performance. This number was obviously planned based on the audience being in front of her. Nobody thought about the ramifications of allowing people with video cameras behind her until after the damage was done. :)

[Iwillmeether]

Just a note to the rest of you guys: believe it or not, a woman does not want to hear that you have no sexual interest in her. :cool:


I never said I didn't. Atleast not to my memory, and if I did I was tricked!

[Bigdan]

Just a note to the rest of you guys: believe it or not, a woman does not want to hear that you have no sexual interest in her. :cool:

even if, of course, she will not admit it...;)

[babyblue558]

The JPVA bending over to reveal the cheeks is one of the few things I wish Alizée would not have done. But I can easily forgive her for doing so and I don’t mind if others like it. It's just not for me.

Agreed. As much as I love everything JPVA, that dress was too short for someone wanting to keep their dignity intact.

[Corsaire]

I don’t mind digressing a bit since it is still linked to Alizée (and the thread will probably die soon anyway :(), so... Concerning the JPVA “oops” moment...

Obviously, only Alizée knows what her life was like and how she really felt at the time of the ML/LB years. It is pure speculation to state she felt comfortable with anything she did back then, or that she was strongly convinced of “forced” to do it. Does Alizée feel regrets for some of the things she has done during that period, well, she did say (in La Méthode Cauet interview, to name one instance) that she would redo some of the things she has done and that she wouldn’t redo some other things. Who knows what this really means and which moments she was referring to?

Myself, I believe that during the ML/LB period, the Alizée “product” was extremely tightly controlled by the team overseeing her career. I think her image was very meticulously built and maintained and I don’t believe that the JPVA “oops” moment was an accident. The JPVA choreography and the outfit of the time seem to have been elaborated to create just that type of “oops” moment. I could certainly be wrong, but until proven otherwise that is my opinion. How Alizée perceived that moment or how much control she had over it remains an unknown. Anyone can speculate as they wish, but it remains just that, speculations.

I forgive Alizée for this and some other questionable “moments” because I believe that whatever reproach one could find to throw at her, it will be drowned in a sea of class and integrity. Considering how she started in the business (the first few years), I have a tremendous respect for how Alizée handled her career and what we know of her private life. As I said before, and as most will agree for sure, Alizée could have milked her good looks and sexy image for years and years and make a fortune out of it if she had wanted to do so.

[Bigdan]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9418/depardieu.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/depardieu.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVVmVAYtfE

Here is a pretty good illustration of the phenomenon.... ( being old and physically attracted by Alizée)

:cool:

[Corsaire]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9418/depardieu.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/depardieu.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVVmVAYtfE

Here is a pretty good illustration of the phenomenon.... ( being old and physically attracted by Alizée)

:cool:

Come on Bigdan!
Depardieu *IS* quite the “loup des steppes” (Steppenwolf). I think I have mentioned this before (yesterday) in another thread... :)

You are quite on-topic though.

[Iwillmeether]

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Nope. I find myself extremely attracted to this new picture...

[wasabi622]

Just a note to the rest of you guys: believe it or not, a woman does not want to hear that you have no sexual interest in her. :cool:

True, but I think she'd rather that we didn't pant like dogs sprayed with pheromones either. :p

[Corsaire]

Just a note to the rest of you guys: believe it or not, a woman does not want to hear that you have no sexual interest in her. :cool:

I would say that most women want to be perceived as physically attractive to most man. Most women will also want to be sexually attractive to a particular partner (or maybe a few selected partners). As for any woman who needs the sexual interest of all the man that crosses her path, I would say they don’t interest me in the least. You are welcomed to have them all ;)

[alizeefan]

90 % of the world is attracted to Alizee' you other 10 % are liars.

[Iwillmeether]

90 % of the world is attracted to Alizee' you other 10 % are liars.

I like it.

[alizeefan]

Nothing to worry about :)

You know the funny thing?
Since I discovered Alizée, I find my wife even more beautiful in every way. My wife has never had any shortage of love and admiration from me and she gets told about it all the time. But somehow some of the things that I love so much about her are even more evident since I discovered Alizée. The inner youth, the playfulness, the sincerity, the generosity, the killer smile, all this in a very attractive physique. She is a natural beauty all over. It will be 30 years soon that we are together and she has been my reason to live ever since I meet her.

Alizée does bring positivity in many ways, doesn’t she?

Edit:

My wife probably thinks she is not as beautiful as Alizée, but she is wrong. And you will be proven wrong too... when you meet the man of your dreams (if not done already).

Hmm if your wife has seen this she would know...I hope she has.

[Merci Alizée]

Agreed. As much as I love everything JPVA, that dress was too short for someone wanting to keep their dignity intact.

The original dress was longer, Mylene purposely asked to shorten it.

[alizeefan]

Many of you are sexually repressed...

Look basically those around you who you want to share her with aren't interested or are not as interested as you are.We all kinda feel the same way here that the world should be in love with her.Just want you to remember that those who are asking you to repress your feelings or deny human nature it is them who are the dehumanizing part of that equation.Which by the other topic about how the dudes uncle sent his aunt Alizee proves and so on...Anyway...My suggestion there is to think of it as Alizee would give you advice and i know that she would say she is not the ONLY one to be all obsessed about...She would not want any of us to miss anything of the world by watching her. Not to say she doesn't appreciate us<3 and not to say we all sit around all the time Alizee'ing.But to say she would not want any of us to worry about this is nothing to worry about.

Now before that comes off cold and callous to your wife i surely hope she knows you love her more than anyone in the world and if not log out now.Obviousilly she does.

As for reaction to sharing Alizee you are like setting yourself up for a bad one.Just freakin play her music when you want and that is all there is to it.Stop looking for it to be a bad experience.

Let me sum this all up and have to credit Wasabi story above for the 18YO insight lol-

Wasabis 18YO buddy - Wasabi likes a girl,wasabi likes a girl!

Wasabi - Yeah , so?

No offense to Wasabi or his buddy but buddies bust on each other and not very mature.
Same thing with many of the fears and witch hunts above and below.

Then if you read rob and lisa up above sums it up quite well i want to party with them.

Last thing here if anyone gives you noise about Alizee just insult them by saying you are sorry for trying to share a part of your life you enjoy with them and you wont do that again.Cept you people with wives may want to handle that a bit differently ha ha.

I being 46 as well, when I began to investigate my new discovery of Alizée viewed mainly Gourm and MCE era videos and LIB. And my thoughts were "such a cute girl, such a prodigy, she must be an angel..... etc. Very attractive young lady I said and especially in LIB. My attraction to Alizée and her music touched me so deep in my soul it was so way more than a mere sexual attraction, however, Alizée being the attractive young lady she is, when I tried to share her goodness with a few others, they could not see anything but something sexual. And I am with several others in my age group here, I could really give a crap what others may or may not think. I know how much Alizée means to me, and it is way above a mere sexual attraction, her voice, her smile, her positivity, her dancing, her talent, her accent, ah I could go on but I'll stop there and of course her good looks have made me an Alizée fan for life.

[Scruffydog777]

Last thing here if anyone gives you noise about Alizee just insult them by saying you are sorry for trying to share a part of your life you enjoy with them and you wont do that again.Cept you people with wives may want to handle that a bit differently ha ha.

There's no need to be insultive. I've made that mistake way too many times myself and it gets you no where. When things are slow at work, I'll watch Alizee on my laptop with earbuds on so I don't disturb anyone else and occassionaly some one will ask to listen in and once in a while some one will make a comment like she doesn't sound that good or doesn't look that good and I'll just get a great big s**t eating grin on my face.

The reason being is I know we all have different tastes in beauty whether it be in some one's physical beauty or the beauty of their voice and I'm smart enough to realize they might not find her or songs beautiful, but on the other hand they are too stupid to realize that my tastes are different from their's and I do find her and her music beautiful. So I smile knowing this and I also smile (just short of laughing), thinking they are so stupid to think their opinion even matters to me.

[alizeefan]

Same point i was making that it is nothing to worry about.Plus that last bit was more for a laugh to lighten things up sorry.I would never insult anyone and the way you put it as well the way i put it they insult themselves.

[Rev]

The original dress was longer, Mylene purposely asked to shorten it.

Mylene is a very smart woman. She understands the human male very well. When she shortened the dress she probably explained to Alizée that she needs a short dress to make her legs look long (it's true, she does), "and after all, you are wearing black boxers". Any other intentions that Mylene may have had in mind at the time would never have been conveyed (otherwise Alizée likely would have said no). :)

[babyblue558]

The original dress was longer, Mylene purposely asked to shorten it.

I'd heard that too but couldn't be sure if it was true or not. Let's be honest that does sound like something Mylène would do. :p But I'm pretty sure it would've been WITH Alizée's consent - I mean ok Mylène was pretty controlling of her back then, but I highly doubt it came to the stage at which Alizée was being forced to wear certain things whether she liked it or not.

[Merci Alizée]

I'd heard that too but couldn't be sure if it was true or not. Let's be honest that does sound like something Mylène would do. :p But I'm pretty sure it would've been WITH Alizée's consent - I mean ok Mylène was pretty controlling of her back then, but I highly doubt it came to the stage at which Alizée was being forced to wear certain things whether she liked it or not.

If you ever go to Paris and check the dress at Courrèges to know exactly how long it is. ;)
Of course, Alizée was not a slave of Mylene.
Anyways, carry on the discussion.

[OGRE]

Since I am an “older” chap (46), it does feel quite awkward to discuss Alizée’s related matters with relatives and friends. I feel that I might be perceived as a dirty old man drooling over videos of a cute young woman on his computer while fantasizing having sex with her . This is really annoying since Alizée does not bring any sexual thought to me. I never think of her in that way, even while watching JEAM in the sailor uniform. I know, strange...


As another 40 something contributor, one way to explain it to those who don't understand it is in terms of art. Art, throughout the world and history, is filled with celebration of human form, motion, and sound. Some even include nude or exposed humans....and it is still art. A celebration of what it means to be human.

Alizée displays "art" in multiple ways...voice, looks, movement, lyrics. The spell she casts is not equal amongst everyone. Just like the many other forms of art, some folks "see it" and some folks don't. Quite often those who don't see the art tend to revert to superficial analysis...which leads down unwarranted paths, both in terms of the art itself and in terms judging those who appreciate it.

Enjoy the art.
:wub:

[lefty12357]

Since the question of the original length of the "JPVA" dress came up, I thought I'd post this. I believe FerAunger shot this video of Stephanie trying on the dress.

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Back on topic...

Nice post Ogre. :)

[Scruffydog777]

I think in her early years Alizée was proud of her sexiness, didn't mind flashing a little bit of this and that, but then it got turned into something cheap by people zooming in on her posterior, or cutting and pasting images of her, making derogatory icons or avatars with her images and things such as when someone posted a video of a stripper that looked like her and said it was her. She didn't like what was happening and that is why now, she shies a way from it.

[Corsaire]

As another 40 something contributor, one way to explain it to those who don't understand it is in terms of art. Art, throughout the world and history, is filled with celebration of human form, motion, and sound. Some even include nude or exposed humans....and it is still art. A celebration of what it means to be human.

Alizée displays "art" in multiple ways...voice, looks, movement, lyrics. The spell she casts is not equal amongst everyone. Just like the many other forms of art, some folks "see it" and some folks don't. Quite often those who don't see the art tend to revert to superficial analysis...which leads down unwarranted paths, both in terms of the art itself and in terms judging those who appreciate it.

Enjoy the art.
:wub:

Quite eloquently said!

I would just like to add that it is difficult to get to this artistic manifestation with Alizée because one has to get past all the stereotypes. People are not used to see “art” in the work of a beautiful young singer because, except for extremely rare exceptions, the all pervasive image is that singers of this kind are meaningless, soulless, classless nymphets. With Alizée, you have to see past that.

Basically, you will never hear anyone say that they cannot or see or feel the “art” in Alizée’s work because it is assumed that there is no “art” to be found there. That is the sad truth, I think. Of course, once you “see it”, you know it is there.

[Roman]

I think in her early years Alizée was proud of her sexiness, didn't mind flashing a little bit of this and that, but then it got turned into something cheap by people zooming in on her posterior, or cutting and pasting images of her, making derogatory icons or avatars with her images and things such as when someone posted a video of a stripper that looked like her and said it was her. She didn't like what was happening and that is why now, she shies a way from it.

I think that is sort of a matter of realizing how it's seen. I don't think it's so much cheap as overemphasized. She clearly was a bit embarassed by some of that and lost her ability to see it or portray it as innocent. It's like she went from naturally flirty and sexy, as something that empowered her to overcome her shyness and turned into something that could be seen as vulgar by some, perhaps obvious or cheap yes. It wasn't a portrayal of how she saw herself as a person and frankly, I think it goes even beyond that.

I think she came to desire respect that she didn't feel she was getting with M&L. I think she wants to be seen as a respectable artist now. I think she wanted the kind of transformation that France Gall had. Alizée performed one of France's songs (fabulously in my opinion) at a televised celebration of France Gall. I think Alizée would like to imagine that one day such a thing would happen with her. She was at first flattered that Julian Doré would honor her by a remake of her song. I think Alizée wanted to see it as a tribute, after only several years. She said something to that effect.

Alizée has certainly shown up in short skirts, high heels, sexy outfits and poses in photo shoots since 2007, but yes, she made it clear that she didn't want to be trashy in any case and in calling herself an artist (along with other people calling her that) in 2010 she would like to be seen as someone who created the songs at least in part and who displays something creative that comes from her. So, you can see that this is a world apart from a girl that was having a good time just being a celebrity and getting new respect from being considered a popular singer. It's too bad life is so complicated. I think this lack of complication is one of the things that was appealing about her in the early days. She wasn't complicated and liking her wasn't complicated. It just was and it was primal and undeniable. If that has to do with sex appeal more than some of us realize (because we don't realize how we ourselves work in the process of developing an attraction for someone) then that might be the source of some confusion, her confusion and ours. I think general society lacks a certain understanding of the complexity of human emotion, aesthetic appreciation, and it's development. But I also feel that we like it best when we can just experience it and don't have the hang up of doubting it.

I liked the cute adorable coquettish nymphet Alizée that could be called the princess of pop. There's never been in this world anything more appealing. Maybe that's just the kind of guy that I am, the kind prone to fantasying on that aspect of human nature which, all straight guys at least, seem to have an appreciation for. Obviously I'm not anywhere near alone. I think that easily explains why guys of all ages are attracted to the young Alizée. Call it evolutionary biology and call it a day. And if any of you out there think that guys lose that appreciation as they get older, well, as has been said on these forums a number of times, think again. We might evolve a bit in how it affects us most of the time, but believe me, we don't lose it, at least not until we are much older than I am.

And as always, for the record, the music was good and her voice was great too. It was never just about her looks and movements that made me a fan even if those things worked heavily to make me fall for her instantly.

(Wow. Will I ever stop having this conversation?)

[Junkmale]

Strange but i remember cringing when i first seen/saw the FHM photoshoot.
I hate that particular session with a passion.
I strongly felt at the time that it was 'cheap' and i still do.
She knew at the time (as we all do) what sort of readership FHM has and those photos were done in such a way as to appeal to that crowd.
Hated it then, hate it now.

[OGRE]

Basically, you will never hear anyone say that they cannot or see or feel the “art” in Alizée’s work because it is assumed that there is no “art” to be found there. That is the sad truth, I think. Of course, once you “see it”, you know it is there.

If you can't woo 'em with the sound of music, befuddle them with statistics:

Alizée's singles have made the Pop charts in 23 countries, reaching number ONE in nine.

[Rev]

...Alizée's singles have made the Pop charts in 23 countries, reaching number ONE in nine.


Ben - Please consider adding this line to the brief description of Alizée on the home page. :)

[Iwillmeether]

Ben - Please consider adding this line to the brief description of Alizée on the home page. :)

That's a really good idea

[RobandSandy]

Now this may complicate matters, when I had my girlfriend Sandy with me tonite I was playing all of the dvd videos I had since she paid me a visit the last time and I stepped out to smoke a ciggarette and I caught her crying to Alizée???? And I said dear whats the matter?????!!!!??? And my dearest Sandy said to me " Oh nothing dear just tears of joy." She was crying tears of joy when she was listeneing to Alizée WOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!

[severianb]

Are you sure she was crying to Alizée and not about Alizée?

Why would anyone cry about Alizée? Nothing really bad has happened to her. And Rob and Sandy are both fans, Rev. So I don't get the question.


There is something about Alizée's presence and the way she carries herself, the expressions she makes, the songs she sings.. pretty much everything about her, that screams "beautiful and classy" rather than "hot/sexy". It's just an indescribable "vibe" thing that all people have, you can tell their nature just by studying their mannerisms.

This. Exactly.

And to the thread starter, yeah most people don't understand. I kind of like it that way. I'm not going to trade in my Lilly membership card for a Lady Gaga card anytime soon, is all I'm saying. ;)

[RobandSandy]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9418/depardieu.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/depardieu.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVVmVAYtfE

Here is a pretty good illustration of the phenomenon.... ( being old and physically attracted by Alizée)

:cool:

This was one of the first videos I saw on Aam. And I said that I was another victim of Alizée's charm. Like this gentleman in the video, totally smitten by Alizée's charisma and charm and good looks. Only one woman in the world more beautiful to me, my Sandy, who has also fallen in love with Alizée too. Sandy is sure Alizée is an angel.

Edit:

Are you sure she was crying to Alizée and not about Alizée?

I still dont understand your question. But she loves Alizées voice so much she was crying tears of joy Rev.

[Edcognito]

Wow, nice to see some "familiar names" in this thread...


In America (at any rate) an "older" male being "attracted" to *any* kind of younger female is seen (by a certain, puritanical section of society) as being perverted. Attraction only, not action, just attraction. As if attraction = intent = action. I must admit, when I first saw some of the early videos, there was a definite attraction to her. She was presented as attractively as you could, I think.

Luckily my first introduction to 'Lilly was via MP3 player, so I had no idea her age/looks/anything... So over the course of a couple weeks, I found the sounds that I had heard more and more compelling, until I ended up here!

Yeah, I'm attracted to her. I think her eyes are her *best* feature, and in La Isla Bonita I die a couple times when I see her look at the camera. (yeah, my head 'asplodes!:wub: ).

My wife has as much fun with my interest in Alizeé as I do, going so far as to call her "my mid-life crisis". Well, if this is a "crisis" I'm all for it!

Yeah, my friends/co-workers bust my ass for being attracted to her, but when I point out that I've gone through about 7 or 8 burned disks of her music in the last 4 years (:eek: its been THAT long!?!:eek:) its pretty obvious that its not *just* physical...

And, TBQH, sometimes its fun to twig my more straight-laced co-workers with her videos....:D


Ed:cool:

[Roman]

...

I still dont understand your question. But she loves Alizées voice so much she was crying tears of joy Rev.
I used to sort of feel that way driving down the road listening to Parler Tout Bas. It's so... sentimental you might say.

[RobandSandy]

I used to sort of feel that way driving down the road listening to Parler Tout Bas. It's so... sentimental you might say.

Yeah, I really like PTB myself too. I just got over the flu, Sandy came to nurse me back to health, and during those 3 days it actually happened2 times. When I ask why she was tearing up, she said, because she is so wonderful and her voice is so beautiful, and she has to be an angel sent from above, and i was like AMAZED. Lilly is AMAZING!

[FanDeAliFee]

I don't know how to put it but... I 'm a little bit skeptical about what I read here. Maybe i'm a little too "french" but i'm not comfotable with the way you use the word " sexual", as if it is something bad . Sexual impulses are just natural.
You can't control to have it or not. Having sexual impulse or fantasy and acting in a reasonable way are 2 different things for me..

I am very sympathetic to what you say Bigdan. As someone born in America, but of parents raised in Europe, I can attest that different socialization (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154034&postcount=46) leaves many Americans with a lot of shame about the body and sex. See, for example, the first two links I make in the post Hello, Dolly! (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152943&postcount=50)

In most of America, people would be scandalized if The Wizard of Oz were staged at a school the clever way it was by Mufraggi, shown below.

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I am also doubtful that an American Disney facility would host a grown woman singing about pleasuring herself in a bathtub, as was done in France, shown below.

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Finally, if alas you cannot control yourself when contemplating Alizée, conisder taking the advice I gave poor Cubeface in Watch where you point that thing? (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166515&postcount=70)

[Bigdan]

In most of America, people would be scandalized if The Wizard of Oz were staged at a school the clever way it was by Mufraggi, shown below.

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I don't really see what could be scandalous in the Muffragi version of Wizard of Oz. I just see an impish girl really happy on stage :)

But that video remembered me another one in which she acting a little bit more like a minx.
That could be a document to add to the famous "Was she always 100% agreed with Mylene choice of outfits ?" epic file.


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Let me says that I don't see anything wrong here...
But, for me, its just showing that she didn't need any Laurent or Mylène advice to wear really skin-tight outfits on stage, and her abilities to be comfortable with it...

[FanDeAliFee]

I don't really see what could be scandalous in the Muffragi version of Wizard of Oz. I just see an impish girl really happy on stage :)

Obviously, you did not watch the ENTIRE clip (http://www.youtube.com/embed/kQYVqWNa7BY?start=82)! The second half is another scene in which Dorothy (played by Alizée) encounters the Cowardly Lion for the first time. It might bear the title: Quand elle rêve au lion c'est Dorothy qui saigne.

What makes the Monique Mufraggi staging so brilliant is what Americans call plausible deniability. Mufraggi can argue the lion is pretending to use a sword. But much of the Ajaccio audience knows much better, and so laughs. You might call it double-sens dramatique.

<table align="center" width="50%" border="20" cellpadding="10"><tr><td><i>The word "penis" is taken from the Latin word for "tail." Some derive that from Indo-European *pesnis, and the Greek word πέος = "penis" from Indo-European *pesos. Prior to the adoption of the Latin word in English the penis was referred to as a "yard". The Oxford English Dictionary cites an example of the word yard used in this sense from 1379...</i> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis">source</a></td></tr></table>

Long ago, I had fun with this by offering a theory about the development of the Moi, Lolita.. video as the largest part of an essay here (http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/docdtv/Alizee/2010Jan/).

In any event, do not fear for Alizée! After all. she is one of the Soeurs Corses and can take of herself, as illustrated below! And violence might not even be necessary. As Dumont himself (or at least Bulwer-Lytton) might say (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pen_is_mightier_than_the_sword) -

<big><i><s>The penis mightier than the sword!</s>
The pen is mightier than the sword!</i></big>

<img src="http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/docdtv/Alizee/2009Dec/AlizeeMous3.jpg" width="473" height="413">

[FanDeAliFee]

Here is more evidence of the less anxious acceptance of eroticism in Europe than in America.

The European Commission has its own channel on YouTube. It includes a clip titled Film lovers will love this, consisting of 44 seconds of sex scenes, showcasing the strong emotions featured in European films. Yes, some in the EU were upset (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19587451/ns/technology_and_science-internet/) by this video, but it remains online and by now has racked up over 8 million views. Among the films it excerpts is an Alizée favorite, widely embraced in France upon its release as deeply sentimental,
Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain.


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[Bigdan]

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/5858/enfoires2001.jpg (http://img860.imageshack.us/i/enfoires2001.jpg/)

It seems to me that this could illustrate this thread title...:p

[User22]

Hehe nice catch BigDan...

But there was an older guy interviewing Alizee at an ACC performance one time that started to blush quite a bit when sitting right next to her and admiring her...good stuff :p

[FanDeAliFee]

It seems to me that [photos embedded] could illustrate this thread title...:p

Oh come on! How could you forget about the following?

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[babyblue558]

Hehe nice catch BigDan...

But there was an older guy interviewing Alizee at an ACC performance one time that started to blush quite a bit when sitting right next to her and admiring her...good stuff :p
Not the first time this has came up...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5347/alizgd.jpg

[Corsaire]

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[pepelepew]

And you can watch the whole thing here:

http://alizeeamerica.com/play/?v=119

Below is what I once said about Depardieu in that video... I think this is about right...

Corsaire don't be so mean to Depardieu lol. He is obviously smitten by Alizee, but was very gentle and respectful.

[Part of the message deleted]

Maybe the subliminal message from the table cloth pattern dress was telling him it is time to eat lol. I know the last statement I made is lame, but sometimes I can't help myself. I have never had the good fortune to meet Alizee in person, but I have heard that she is even more charming in person. :)

[Corsaire]

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[pepelepew]

You probably never saw the footage from that day Alizée was sunbathing in her favourite checker pattered bikini on that Corsican beach and the Steppenwolf just came out of nowhere, right? Here is a still from it:


;)

[Part of the message deleted]

Actually that look in his eyes is much like the typical Alizee fan especially at a cd signing. Alizee can make a steppenwolf out of us all. "Get your motor runnin". "Head out on the highway". Wrong Steppenwolf! :cool:

[Naft]

[Part of the message deleted]

Actually that look in his eyes is much like the typical Alizee fan especially at a cd signing. Alizee can make a steppenwolf out of us all. "Get your motor runnin". "Head out on the highway". Wrong Steppenwolf! :cool:

I always get the impression that most would go to a cartoon-version of themselves and drop the jaw to the floor, suddenly start flying and have small red hearts flying just above their heads.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jYGTGBPnMvQ/TPQyMDtWgzI/AAAAAAAAJuA/LZFXf-HinCI/s1600/jaw_dropping_dog2.jpg

[Scruffydog777]

It's obvious Alizee is a very beautiful woman, and meeting with her again I'm sure would be another great experience,but it's not a big priority of mine. On my recent vacation I could have easily gone to Corsica and there's a remote chance I might have bumped into her, but I just haven't had that urge.

I went to Pistoia and Taormina, two places she performed on a previous vacation for two reasons. They were beautiful places and Alizee performed there and the real dream I have is to see Alizee perform. I really wish I could have been at one of these performances, to see her a lovely as she is in such a beautiful setting.

Like I said, I want to hear her sing and I want to see her dance. No it doesn't have to be the JAM dance. I'd love to see her dance just the way she did during this years Les Enfoires.

I tried going to two concerts but things didn't work out and I've gone to two autograph sessions, as kind of a second choice as to how to see her.

So how do you classify that type of attraction. While meeting her is great, it's not that big a priority but seeing her perform is?

[Merci Alizée]

Please do not post your fantasies here. This is a sincere request from me. It's easy to get carried away, but most of you are very experienced people. I hope you understand what I mean and won't be stretching it any further.

[Corsaire]

MA, I will carry on since I am not quite sure where the line is drawn. If what follow is too much in the fantasy realm, I am sorry. Also, if you think my joke about Depardieu was a little too descriptive, just remove the post.

I don’t know scruffy, but in my case it is difficult to classify something as complex as my attraction to Alizée. As I have said, and that was the original topic of this thread, I find her very attractive physically (not in a sexual way), but seeing her perform live or meeting her was never a priority of mine. Still, if the occasion showed up, of the two, I would prefer meeting her because I could then appreciate better her smile and her movement through space and hear her laugh and talk. Those are the main reason I am attracted to Alizée. I think this is quite hard to classify considering that, well, she is known to be a singer...:confused:

[Scruffydog777]

[.................... I would prefer meeting her because I could then appreciate better her smile and her movement through space and hear her laugh and talk. :

Meeting her would mean so much more if I could understand what she was saying. I've taken the time to learn 12 of her songs, but still when I listen to her lets say during an interview, I can't understand a word and from my meeting her, I think the same applies to her. She knows several English songs, but I don't think she can engage in conversational English. So there is a kind of awkwardness that goes on when you meet someone under those cirmcumstances.

There is something I have to mention here. We often fight tooth and nail about different subjects here, especially when I'm involved in the conversation. We discuss anything under the sun, from the sexuality of the lyrics of some of her songs, to hidden meanings, to the way she dressed. But there is a line we do not cross here, even me. Outside of these areas, we do not speak of her in any type of sexual manner. We've discussed her eyes, her legs, her nose and it could easily go further than that, but like I say, we dont.

Someone else here brought it to my attention that they thought the recent picture of that great actor, Gerard Depardieu was kind of offensive, thinking that in him reaching out, there was something in particular that he might be reaching out for and I agreed, so we agreed that that picture should be deleted. We could be wrong, but it's a gray area that we'd just rather stay away from.

[Corsaire]

Someone else here brought it to my attention that they thought the recent picture of that great actor, Gerard Depardieu was kind of offensive, thinking that in him reaching out, there was something in particular that he might be reaching out for and I agreed, so we agreed that that picture should be deleted. We could be wrong, but it's a gray area that we'd just rather stay away from.

scruffy, I am sorry to hear that anyone here has been seeing this kind of meaning in the picture of Depardieu I posted. Originally, I thought the issue might have been about the bathing suit (which would still surprise me, by the way). In either case (my comment and the picture I posted), I think this is stretching it way, way, beyond any reasonable limit. To think that Depardieu is actually reaching for some part of anyone’s anatomy... :confused:
By all means, anyone with the proper authority should remove that picture and my comments if it is necessary.

You know, I discuss quite heavy subjects on here at times and that was an attempt to lighten the mood of my contributions a bit. I think my sense of humour is probably not well suited for a fan forum like this one. I will try to remember this in the future.

Edit:

I see that the picture was removed as I was writing this post.
I removed the rest of the text because I think it makes no sense without the image. Pepelepew, I would suggest that you also remove your comments (or at least the quote from me), but this is your decision. I would just like to add that this was probably the funniest thing I ever posted here and that I still cannot believe anyone saw anything offensive in it. Just goes to show...
No hard feelings though. :)

[JoeNY]

Are you people actually apologizing for feeling sexually attracted to Alizee? :blink: That's just weird. Alizee was beautiful as a 15-year old teen, and she's beautiful now as a 26-year old. And yes, I did notice those bumps and curves on her as an 18-year old on her Jen ai Marre performances. :D Alizee probably caused a lot of boys and men to go blind indirectly. Just kidding. That's just an urban myth. ;)

[Scruffydog777]

Are you people actually apologizing for feeling sexually attracted to Alizee? ..................... ;)

Absolutely not. There is no doubt that she is incredibly sexy when she wants to be. It's just how people handle that sexiness that can be a problem in here.

[User22]

It's just how people handle that sexiness that can be a problem in here.

I've learned my lesson over the years lol.

I think my sense of humour is probably not well suited for a fan forum like this one. I will try to remember this in the future.

Welcome to the club lol.

[Edcognito]

My feelings have changed quite a bit over the years I've been here... That being said, I kinda resent the "up-tightness" of my own society...

Not to put *to* fine a point on it, but America seems to find it more appropriate to show movies about war (some quite graphic) than about physical love... Be dam'd if I'm going to live like that anymore (with the disclaimer that I'm not going to go out of my way to offend anyone - just not going to be "uptight" about being attracted to anyone).

Yeah, I think Alizée is gorgeous. I would (like Scruffy) love to see her perform!


Ed:cool:

[Iwillmeether]

Haha! Yeah! Oklahoma!

[Deepwaters]

Not to put *to* fine a point on it, but America seems to find it more appropriate to show movies about war (some quite graphic) than about physical love...

That depends. I guess as long as you call it physical love you're right. But a lot of Americans have a funny love/hate relationship with our Puritan past. On the one hand there's the killjoy cultural censors for whom anything overtly erotic is a doorway to Hell, and on the other there's the obsession with the cheap, tawdry, and smutty. Prurience and prudery are two sides of the same coin. What they have in common is an attitude that sex is nasty. Sometimes that provokes objections. Sometimes people revel in the nastiness. In both ways the sacredness of sex is lost.

[Chuck]

... a lot of Americans have a funny love/hate relationship with our Puritan past. On the one hand there's the killjoy cultural censors for whom anything overtly erotic is a doorway to Hell, and on the other there's the obsession with the cheap, tawdry, and smutty. Prurience and prudery are two sides of the same coin. What they have in common is an attitude that sex is nasty. ...

That's the way we are, and that's the way we deal with "troublesome" issues like teen sex, drugs, alcohol, etc - we pass lots of laws and try to repress these things. Which only increases their appeal, which leads to even greater problems than other similar countries have with the same "vices".

Does this sound like I'm saying that us older guys should be allowed to leer and drool at a young nymphette prancing on a stage in hotpants? :eek:

Well, horrors no, that's not what I meant, and that's def' not what I'm into. :o

But for the target demographic, 16 - 26 yr old males, yeah they better be attracted. As for those beyond that range, well, what's the harm?

:p

[Junkmale]

That's the way we are, and that's the way we deal with "troublesome" issues like teen sex, drugs, alcohol,

:p

So true.
And that is why things like 'My So Called Life' only lasted for one season.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108872/

[Merci Alizée]

I believe few things were needed to be made clear so that no one takes any wrong impression from some of the recent replies.

First, some of the messages were edited on this thread because it was thought that the kind of interpretation made from the picture posted by Corsaire was inappropriate even though it was done for the sake of humor. To avoid any further comments about those, the picture was removed. While the Corsaire's post itself had no such interpretation, but as it was noticed with first comment about that the picture could have been easily taken in wrong way.

I have explained this in PM to some members. As far as taking liberty of editing post (which were not by me) is concerned, I feel it was needed as not only the comment seemed inappropriate for this forum but it could have lead to more such comments and questions about it.

That's all about it. You can continue with your regular discussion. If anyone has questions then send a PM to me.

[Scruffydog777]

This isn't easy for any of us who are in a position as a mod or an admin or what ever. I'm sure no one in here requested to be put in these postions, but were asked to take these positions as was I. I took it because Ben asked me to and I wanted to help out the forum. We're no experts at how to handle these jobs so we often try and confide in one another when something comes up but still it's a difficult role.

Since Corsaire joined this forum, after a rocky start which was the result of my stupidity (again) we pm'd each other on numerous occassions about this and that and I would chance to say that we are freinds, well as freindly as you can become in a forum. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him and know he would never do something delibrately of a negative nature for lack of a better term. I'm sure that the picture that was posted was done in fun as were some of the comments that followed, but again, when you take everything together, We saw the possibility that things could be taken the wrong way. So we decided it was best to delete the pictures.

Now in hind sight, maybe the best thing to have done would have been to contact Corsaire and ask him to remove the picture and contact others with our concerns about their posts, express our concerns, and ask them to change them if they agreed with us. But this job has a learning curve and we are just amateurs at it, trying to do the best thing. We probably didn't handle this well, but we hope to learn from out mistakes.

[User22]

Well I think you guys did a great job handling it. So, thankyou.

[Corsaire]

Well, I have myself been a moderator and administrator for years on a forum I created and I know very well that you can sometimes miss the target while trying to do what seems to be for the best. Although I still believe that this episode could have been handled differently to avoid some of the misunderstanding, there is certainly a gray zone there.

In any case, I am glad that the situation has been clarified, but regardless of the outcome, there was never any doubt in my mind that the moderation was done for the sole intent of protecting the forums’ best interest. I would like to reiterate publicly what I have already told MA and scruffy privately; if it was not for the dedication of people like you, well, it is not for certain that there would even exist a forum where we could have the present discussion.:blink: ...:):)

Sorry for this little interlude, people.

[Rev]

Sounds like an amusing few posts. Sorry I missed them. However, due to the wide age variation visiting the forum, it is just as well. Better to err on the side of caution. :)

[OGRE]

just not going to be "uptight" about being attracted to anyone

You can't win against thousands of years of DNA. Right side brain....you can't stop what it tells you. All you can do is build the necessary moats and walls on the left side to keep it in check.

My wife once asked me a hypothetical question about my ability to resist the advances of a hot young chick of common acquaintance, to which I replied: "I would fight her off with great effort.....and fail miserably" ------mental moats and virtual castles be damned.:p

[User22]

But see, the thing is, as long as you act like you are fighting it off...well, then you're doing a good job. But either way, no one likes to resist :p

Anyway...I feel as if I should stray away from here since I'm not old and know nothing. Farewell...

[Deepwaters]

But see, the thing is, as long as you act like you are fighting it off...well, then you're doing a good job. But either way, no one likes to resist :p

Well . . . she's, you know, on the other side of the world. And we have maybe half a language in common on a good day. And we've never met in person. Under those circumstances, resistance isn't all that challenging. ;)

[AceTone]

My wife once asked me a hypothetical question about my ability to resist the advances of a hot young chick of common acquaintance, to which I replied: "I would fight her off with great effort.....and fail miserably"

Trick question, there's no such thing as a hypothetical question asked by a wife. No?
But the correct answer would be telling her "Why would I resist your advances?"

Also, if you want to stop a woman's advances ... marry her.



:p

[User22]

Well . . . she's, you know, on the other side of the world. And we have maybe half a language in common on a good day. And we've never met in person. Under those circumstances, resistance isn't all that challenging. ;)

Oh I was refering to young women in general...cause that's what OGRE was refering to...

[Bigdan]

But see, the thing is, as long as you act like you are fighting it off...well, then you're doing a good job. But either way, no one likes to resist :p

Anyway...I feel as if I should stray away from here since I'm not old and know nothing. Farewell...

At least you confess... you're NOT OLD !! I suspected this kind of betrayal from you... ;)

[OGRE]

Trick question....

Nice pun.
:p

[User22]

At least you confess... you're NOT OLD !! I suspected this kind of betrayal from you... ;)

It's true, I'm not old so I don't have your guys temptations haha. But yeah...I'm leaving this thread now for good haha.

[Deepwaters]

Also, if you want to stop a woman's advances ... marry her.


I'm happy to say that didn't work for me. It was one of the few good things about my marriage.

[FanDeAliFee]

...French pop culture is well known for having young female singers using lyrics that have several meanings (and often a sexual connotation) and MF is not the first, neither the best at this. The classical example is "Les sucettes" (The Lollipops) written by Gainsbourg for France Gall...

The story behind Les sucettes (1966) is told in the following video, with English captions.

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What I wonder is whether Gainsbourg had first heard the American song My Boy Loll(y/i)pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Boy_Lollipop). When Millie Small (then age 17) recorded it, the song became the first international hit of the Ska genre. Over 7 million copies were sold - more than Moi... Lolita! It reached #2 in the UK - not all that far from France! Millie's 1964 performance on Finnish television follows.

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The song is actually older yet. It was first recorded by Barbie Gaye way back during 1956, in R&B style. Her performance follows.

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I never had read that anyone gave My Boy Lollipop the tacit interpretation I offer now - until today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Boy_Lollipop#Cover_versions_and_other_uses). But *I* used its melody in MIDI form for a Web page satire I published in the late 1990s about Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky!

And now I have exhumed yet another clandestinely suggestive "lollipop" song buried deep within my memory. SO deep that I had never before connected it with oral sex - which evidently I had learned about only after actively recalling the song existed! It is simply called Lollipop and makes highly redundant use of the title word by frequently repeating the phrase Lollipop lollipop oh lolli lolli lolli. (Sorry, Chuck.) You can watch a 1958 performance (I was only 3 years old then) below featuring The Chordettes, with Andy Williams providing the comedic backup antics. (You will recall that a few years later Williams would meet and marry Claudine Longet, a thread about whom I have originated and lovingly tended here (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6101), as an example of a French songtress who succeeded in America.) In the present video, Claudine's famous American Andy W is just this side of the line in starring in a film (http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11428) made by the other famous American Andy W of that era, Alizée's "friend" Andy Warhol.

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Appreciate that the captions in the video above are frequently incorrect. The correct lyrics of Lollipop include the following telling phrases:
<ul>
<li>Call my baby lollipop - tell you why

<li>Sweeter than candy on a stick

<li>Crazy way he thrills me... (In 1958, fellatio was legally/morally/psychologically deviant, i.e. crazy.)

<li>If you have a choice to be your pick / But lollipop is mine (The word pick rhymes with prick, slang meaning penis.)</ul>
The original performance, produced by co-writer Julius Dixson, was recorded in 1957 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(1958_song)), two years after the novel Lolita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita) was published in Paris. The performance of the song played above was recorded and released in 1958, the same year as Lolita was published in New York. (The relevance of these temporal coincidences is briefly examined below.) Question: Was Barbie Gaye's 1956 version of My Boy Lollypop well enough known that Lollipop is obviously derivative?

Perhaps some of you reading this will agree with me that Serge's song is in fact enormously subtle compared to the two older American songs above - notwithstanding his pun using the word orge (barley), which sounds like orgie (orgy).

I will take this appropriate occasion to record the etymology (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=lollipop) of the word lollipop (which anglophones also less commonly also call a sucker):1784, lolly-pops "sweetmeats, soft candy," perhaps related to loll "to dangle" (the tongue) + pop "strike, slap." Or the first element may be northern dial. lolly "the tongue." Meaning "hard candy on a stick" is from 1920s.Note that the loll part seems to be onomatopoeiac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia). (The way in which the tongue is used to make the lala sound so common in music is exploited for the sake of shock in the final portion of the very rude song here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozz62AYn0vQ).) The pop part also most frequently designates a word bearing an onomatopoeiac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia) meaning, namely <i>to make a short, quick, explosive sound</i>. Doesn't the combination of licking and exploding, when it refers to an object you repeatedly insert and remove from your mouth, almost BEG for a comparison to fellatio?

And if that isn't sexual enough, an informal meaning of pop (origin 1820–30 (http://dictionary.refere,nce.com/browse/pop)) in English - which came from French through poppa (origin 1765–75 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poppa)) and papa (origin 1675–85 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/papa)) - designates someone of the male sex (namely a father).

BTW, in the late 1970's, a lollipop whose center was a piece of bubblegum was introduced to the US market. Called Blowpops, I didn't deem its television ads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJjSKI7OdGM)any more salacious than for those of any other lollipop. But a fellow university student, who pointed out the obvious fact that blow has the informal meaning of fellatio, insisted the product branding was deviously suggestive.

Observe that words (including personal names) with multiple letter L's like Lolita, Lola and Lili each remind one of all the various activities a person can undertake by articulating the tongue - not excluding the sexual ones. (Among flowers, the particular visual resemblance of the lily (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=155361&postcount=458) to human female genitals only reinforces the sexuality of the L sound to the anglophone ear.) In show business history, Alizée was hardly the first entertainer who undertook some sexy role using one or more of the aforementioned names!

And because we believe the very young are especially predisposed to seek out sugar, including the concentrated form called candy, the food which anglophones call the lollipop, because of its erotic symbolism as discussed above, is the consumable most symbolic of precocious sexuality. Thus a personal name which sounds like lollipop is highly evocative of such precocious sexuality to the anglophone ear. What better name could Nabokov have fashioned for his protagonist than Lolita?

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182473_10150404243270574_14762050573_17424094_6430 496_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150404243270574)<table width="600" align="center"><tr><td>
<big><big>The canonical "heart" shape associated with Valentine's Day has a highly erotic symbolism of its own, discussed at length <a href="http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/docdtv/Alizee/SexSymbolism/">here</a>.</big></big></td></tr></table>

<table align="center" cellpadding="10" border="3"><tr><td><big><big><big>Je comprends tous les succès
Des refrains made in U.S.A.
Mais j’ai une attirance
Pour les chansons made in France</big></big></big><blockquote>- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry881ucELd4">Made In France</a> (<a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mireille_Mathieu">1985</a>) par Mireille Mathieu</blockquote><hr>Personal note:
In 1985 I watched a Provençal girl her friends call <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mireille_Mathieu"><i>Mimi</i></a>
perform - including a Liza Minelli song - at the spectacular
(and then-new) <a href="http://en.sportingmontecarlo.com/Salle-des-Etoiles,850.html"><i>Salle des Etoiles</i></a> at Monaco's <i>Le Sportif</i>.</td></tr></table>

Postscript: Readers who aspire to discover yet other hidden meanings in songs about lollipops can research the additional songs indexed here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(disambiguation)#Songs).

[FanDeAliFee]

Gainsbourg's "Pauvre Lola" as antecedent to "Moi... Lolita"

With about 200,000 forum posts on this Web site, I am ASTONISHED that NONE of them bears witness to a VITAL artistic antecedent of Alizée's iconic song Moi... Lolita! The closest one comes to it is tangential mention of the work in question, Serge Gainsbourg's Pauvre Lola, in a post (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151178&postcount=393) made by BlackAnthem last year quoting a report on Jane Birkin's visit to Washington, DC. (And then requoted at AAm in another post (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151246&postcount=394) by Fall06.)

Before I address the main issue, I want to personally confront the claim made in the aforementioned report that "Birkin never found fame in the States." As I detailed in my post last year titled You never forget your first song? (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152929&postcount=27), Birkin's voice is indelibly etched in my brain because, quoting me:
I've heard Jane Birkin have an orgasm more often than all the American girls I've known put together.This is on account of Serge Gainsbourg's infamous 1969 duo with her, Je t'aime... moi non plus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_t'aime..._moi_non_plus).

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Ironically enough, the melody of this highly erotic Gainsbourg classic is so soothing that an instrumental version has by now long been a staple of the blasé background music you hear all the time in places like elevators!

I briefly profile the brilliant and controversial Serge Gainsbourg at Speaking of iconoclastic... (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=172163&postcount=67), wherein I write:

My, my, my... just think how boringly sweet Mylène Farmer songs might have been had she not grown up with the chance to hear Serge Gainsbourg songs!Anyway, back to Pauvre Lola, which became famous when Gainsbourg performed this song, using young France Gall's laughter - rather than her talented singing voice - in a brilliant dramatic and instrumental manner.

When I wrote the statement above about Mylène Farmer, I did not know I would be telling you now that 2000's Moi... Lolita is not a little bit of an homage to 1964's Pauvre Lola! Before I prove my point, why not watch the performance here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1xAgNRecg)?

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Even if you do not know French, the flower in 17-year-old Gall's hair is a clue. The 36-year-old Gainsbourg would like to gently relieve her of one, to write symbolically. The French Wikipedia article (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauvre_Lola) on the song provides extensive commentary on it. It asserts (translating) that:

Gainsbourg was inspired, even obsessed, with "Lolita," Vladimir Nabokov's novel adapted for film by Stanley Kubrick. Barely finished with his previous album, Serge constantly stated that "No, nothing will have the better of me, I'll search for my Lolita, in yé-yé [60s pop] music." From there, this theme is implicit in all his work, the climax being "Histoire de Melody Nelson." [A project with the aforementioned Jane Birkin.]The article fashions Gainsbourg in the role of Humbert and Gall in that of Lolita in the song. Naturally, this takes considerable liberties with the details of Nabokov, because as the novel opens, while Humbert is 37, Lolita is a mere 12. This already creates a precedent of artistic license for setting the age of Farmer's own Lolita, who will be 16.

Here is a quick and dirty translation of the lyrics. (I will happily credit improvements offered by our able francophone friends here.)

Need to know how to expand
Without spilling
Poor Lola
Need to know how to expand
Without spilling
It's delicate

Not the surprise
Not the undertaking
Poor Lola
Not the surprise
Not the undertaking
The goal [/Debut] below

It is the tender words
She loves to hear
Tender Lola
Yes a few soft words
Should soft-
en Lolita

What would it take
That will depend on
Poor Lola
What would it take
That will depend on
A little about yourself

It may take you
You have to worry
Considering Lola
We cannot take you
Until the Greek
Kalends Lola

Linguistic note: The Latin phrase AD CALENDAS GRAECAS, in English, on the Greek Calends means never, because the Greek method of keeping track of the days did not include a Calends. (We also get calendar from this word.)

The Farmer song owes quite a number of things to the Gainsbourg song, notwithstanding the immense differences in musical style and dramatic situation.

First, is the allusion to the Nabokov character, two of whose names, Lola and Lolita, the two songs both cite. Next is the point that Lolita laughs, manifestly so in the Gainsbourg song, and by her own report in the Farmer song. Both songs reference Lolita's lower parts with the word bas - Gainsbourg puns about its debut, while Farmer plays at suggesting it is inexperienced (Collégienne). Gainsbourg writes about avoiding a spill, while Farmer writes about how the others spurt on Lolita. Finally, Gainsbourg writes how his Lola is pauvre (unfortunate), while Farmer begins her melody with sad musical measures.

Needless to say, Farmer adds many wonderful things to her song which have no precedent at all in the Gainsbourg work, including many clever puns. But she may also make one final Gainsbourg reference when she spells out the name Lolita. It is not to Pauvre Lola, but to a lesser-known work from 1963, Elaeudanla Téïtéïa (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Gainsbourg#Principales_chansons_de_Serge_Gai nsbourg), a song which celebrates the name Laetitia.

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[Aldighieri]

Nice contribute..and thanks, it's good to talk about that stuff with adult persons. I like here being so much "old" men fans about her. Is often hard to discuss this things in a serious way with teenagers( the 90% web users are...).

[Azhiri]

I think you'll see a lot of that here. We have several "older" members, with teenagers too (I'm 15 :p ) but we're all pretty mature for our age. :rolleyes:

[Bigdan]

[I]Gainsbourg was inspired, even obsessed, with "Lolita," Vladimir Nabokov's novel adapted for film by Stanley Kubrick.
From there, this theme is implicit in all his work, the climax being "Histoire de Melody Nelson." [A project with the aforementioned Jane Birkin.]



But she may also make one final Gainsbourg reference when she spells out the name Lolita. It is not to Pauvre Lola, but to a lesser-known work from 1963, Elaeudanla Téïtéïa (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Gainsbourg#Principales_chansons_de_Serge_Gai nsbourg), a song which celebrates the name Laetitia.



As you mention it Here is the first french Lolita in music history...
http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/500x500/2/12/04/35/Musique-et-musiciens/serge_gainsbourg_histoire_de_melody_nelson.jpeg

Melody Nelson.

For me, Mylène was more inspired by the novel, like Gaingsbourg, than by Melody Nelson, but, a thing is sure : when I first heard Moi, Lolita, the spelling of LOLITA remind me instantaneously the way Gainsbourg play with LAETITIA name. This is a clear reference , actually.

[Edcognito]

Talk about a thread making a fantastic recovery! :beer:

Been awhile since the last time i was here, missed some good stuff, glad I came back and found it! :)


Ed :cool:

[FanDeAliFee]

...............

[lapinschous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1xAgNRecg

Thanks for making me discover this song ^ I'm both charmed... and confused :D

[Scruffydog777]

Last tuesday, I arrived in Punta Cana in the Domican Republic for a four day vacation. I was in the main plaza I guess you call it where every night they have some type of musical event. One night, they had mainly latin music with a lot of salsa and merengue, etc. At one point a beautiful young lady got up to dance. She was a brunette wearing a sleeveless black outfit (not at all revealling) that went from feet to neck with a green chiffon scarf; an outfit that looked great. Her hairdo had bangs in front with a big ponytail in the back.

I had actually noticed her before that because I was standing by the bar and she was standing several feet away by a column watching people dancing, sometimes dancing in place herself. There came a point where for the most part couples stopped dancing and individuals got up there themselves to dance. Well when she started to dance, she looked incredible; so smooth and graceful. I would have stayed there all night long if she had continued dancing and if she started singing.........................who knows?

I started wondering how old she was. Now I'm a terrible judge of age. I thought she might be as young as 18 or as old as 25. Now I still take a lot of heat from my fellow employees who despite my 8 years now of following one girl who is now thirty, think I'm into young girls; with the empahasis on the plural form.

At times I wonder myself if maybe there's something wrong with me that even not knowing Alizee's age when I first started watching her, maybe I somehow knew inside she was a young girl. So after watching her dance several dances and thinking about this age thing, I was just dying to know how old she was. She finally took a break and went up to the bar for a drink and I know you're not supposed to ask a woman her age, but I did and she floored me (literally), when she said she was 35.

Like I said, I'm not a good judge of age, but still I couldn't believe how far off I was. But so I felt relieved. If she had said she was 18, I would've doubted myself even more. I think this kind of proves, at least to me, that when I first saw Alizee in Las Isla Bonita, I would have loved her as much, even if she was, I'm not going to say 35, but if she was several years older and not because she was a teenager. In fact, I feel it was highly unfortunate for us or at least me that she got taken away by marriage at a time when I think she was entering the prime of her beauty, but at least we got her back!

[Antares]

Scruffy—I think it's pretty common for people to increasingly underestimate women's age as they get older. I have a lot of 40+ friends who are completely incapable of guessing a young woman's age, thinking that women who are clearly (to me) 25+ are under 18! I don't have a definite explanation for it, but I can offer a few theories. First, it's easier to guess someone's age when you possess familiarity by being a part of that age group yourself. Second, your relative perception of any given range of absolute time becomes smaller as you grow older. Five years is a quarter of your life when you're twenty, but only a tenth once you reach the age of fifty. When relatively short amounts of time start to lose meaning, it's no wonder that one's ability to guess age would similarly decline.

Anyway, I find the general topic of this thread quite interesting, despite being only in my 20s myself. And since you revived this thread, I will share below a discussion I had in the chatbox which I think has some relevance to this issue:

"When we find beauty in a youthful person, it is because we glimpse the light of eternity shining in those features from a heavenly source beyond this world." [Quote from the documentary, Why Beauty Matters]

The context of the quote was a discussion of how observing beauty can take one of two paths: lust or love. Lust is a destructive process in which one person is used for the pleasure of another. The Platonic ideal of love, however, requires only admiration, as the individual is a source of spiritual inspiration.

It reminded me of Alizée because of Moi Lolita. In the story Lolita, the young girl is a source of lustful desire for the older man, who simply wishes to consume her (not in a literal sense).

However, someone else might look at the same person and have a very different experience. Instead, they admire the beauty of the individual in a purest sense of Platonic love. It is an act of giving, rather than taking away.

Alizée's early Lolita image played between those two dichotomies simultaneously.

The choice of which path one takes is left up to the observer. "C’est pas ma faute!"

[Scruffydog777]

Interesting response Antares...... thanks.

"It reminded me of Alizée because of Moi Lolita. In the story Lolita, the young girl is a source of lustful desire for the older man, who simply wishes to consume her (not in a literal sense).

However, someone else might look at the same person and have a very different experience. Instead, they admire the beauty of the individual in a purest sense of Platonic love. It is an act of giving, rather than taking away."

Maybe you can answer why do so many people take it in the consuming sense; even someone like my own sister?

I used to spend a lot of time showing her everything about Alizée and I didn't try to hide anything. I showed her the performances of Moi Lolita where her cheeks were hanging out. I showed her JAM where she was incredibly sexy. I showed her the ACC video where she was dressed from head to toe. I showed her the SAD performances again where she was dressed from head to toe. I showed her Les Enfoires performances where just about always tastefully dressed. Then after all that, when I was showing her a performance of late she said "She looks different." I asked how? She said "She has clothes on.".

It's interesting in my travels to France, so many remember Moi Lolita, but nobody remembers L'Alize, though it was a number one hit.

I have people I work with who take things the wrong way, but I can understand that because they don't really know me. But my own sister who I tried so hard to explain things to, sold me down the river.

That's why this forum is an important part of my life. You can't understand what she has done for us or should I say me, unless you've gone through that type of life changing experience that I have when I found out about her and I think a lot of people here young and old, have experienced that.

As far as religion, I'm catholic, but I seldom go to church. Still I strongly believe. I've told about how many times in my travels, whenever I come across a church, I just about always stop in and say prayers for family, world peace, our troops and Alizée and I consider her a God send in the truest sense of those words. My mother was a very religious person and I often wonder if I was blessed with Alizée because of her. I know I certainly didn't deserve her.

So bottom line is, it would be great to have someone close, to talk to, to understand that Alizée though incredibly sexy, is not a sex object to us. She's an incredibly beautiful part of our lives. She's a very complex person, a person who's hard to figure out. But a person I don't think I could live happily without and at least I have members here who I can share my most inner most thoughts with and not have those thoughts taken the wrong way.

[Djr654]

I agree with a lot of what has been said here. Although I am certainly physically attracted to Alizée (after all, it was her looks that captured my attention initially), I don't think of her in a sexual way, and it's good to see that I'm not the only one who feels like this. It's difficult to explain exactly why this is so for me; I guess I do feel that I would be disrespecting her by thinking in such a way, although I do appreciate what previous posters have said regarding "thinking of someone sexually" not necessarily implying disrespect. My feelings for her run so much deeper than that, and there are various facets of the attraction: looks, music/voice and personality. Take away any one of these things and I would probably not be here. In addition, there seems to me to be some quality that I can't quite put my finger on that holds me in her web; I guess I can best summarise things by saying that Alizée is more than the sum of her parts.

As regards others' reactions, I have yet to find out; I haven't (yet) told anyone else about her; she has been my little secret. Why is this? It's just me really; I'm a pretty private person, especially when it comes to something with such strong emotional ties as my love of Alizée. In any case, I don't think I'd be able to talk about her to friends or family without going very red :D

I probably would feel awkward through; I don't consider myself old, but I'd no doubt be seen as old enough when it comes to watching her earlier videos. Do I feel bad for watching her though? No. Why not? Because I know my reasons for doing what I'm doing: I watch her videos and stuff because of my feelings for her, how she makes me feel better, and, of course, my love of her music, not because of any sexual attraction. I know this, but I recognise that others may struggle to understand.

Sorry for not really contributing anything that hasn't already been said; just wanted to put my two cents in...

[ALS]

Too many people assume that many guys attraction to Alizée is sexual or physical. That might play out for two or three years not the seven to fifteen years that many on this board have been following her. Devotion like that is more of an infatuation or affection for her is similar to a favorite sister or daughter.

Don't worry my employees have known for over ten years that I have a serious thing for Alizée. When a Les Enfoires DVD or her latest CD arrives in the mail I'm like a six year old on Christmas morning. :D.

[Antares]

Maybe you can answer why do so many people take it in the consuming sense; even someone like my own sister?
...

It's interesting in my travels to France, so many remember Moi Lolita, but nobody remembers L'Alize, though it was a number one hit.


I've had a similar experience with my brother. Every time I show him a picture of Alizée, he never seems to recognize her unless she's wearing something sexy like her JEAM outfit. The funny thing is, I've shown him countless photos, and the JEAM vid only once, but that's all he can seem to remember.

I think the simplest answer is just that physical attractiveness is an incredibly salient feature that most people are likely to pick up on and remember more strongly than anything else. For people who aren't terribly interested in her music, the few things they will remember are those that are most salient in minds. This is why Moi Lolita will be more widely remembered than L'Alizé. One is sexualized, and the other is not.

For those of us who are fans, there is so much more to her than that. True, I probably wouldn't be here at all if I hadn't seen an enticing gif from JEAM and then clicked on a YouTube link. Her physical attractiveness may have been what initially led me to discover her, but it is far from what has kept me around more than a year later. There are plenty of attractive singers in the world, and plenty of attractive French ones too, but none of them have captivated me the same way Alizée has. Physical attractiveness alone has little to do with it.

And that's where I think Djr654's line comes in, which I couldn't agree with more.

I guess I can best summarise things by saying that Alizée is more than the sum of her parts.

I'm still trying to figure out what all these other factors are that make her special, but it's a work in progress. I might not ever be able to pin it down, and I'm okay with that. All I know is :need:

[Un-rêve]

"When we find beauty in a youthful person, it is because we glimpse the light of eternity shining in those features from a heavenly source beyond this world."

Antares I remember you posting this in the chatbox and it's so true. :)

I'm still trying to figure out what all these other factors are that make her special, but it's a work in progress. I might not ever be able to pin it down, and I'm okay with that. All I know is :need:


Kinda reminds me of this song Ella Elle L'a... Alizée was made for it! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik5Nh94v7EQ



Alizée, she has it
What, I don't quite know
Something that others don't have,
that puts us in a funny state

Alizée, she has it
She, she has it
this gift from the sky that makes her beautiful...

[qazws]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1xAgNRecg

Thanks for making me discover this song ^ I'm both charmed... and confused :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pxt_R7jLKA

Serge Gainsbourg did it properly, having France Gall singing about sucking lollipops, innocence.:bow: