What style should the next Album be?

[severianb]

I've seen some really good ideas on what Lilly's next album should be, style-wise. Just thought I'd put up a poll to get your opinion on a few of them.

[Azhiri]

I'd like to see a mellowed-out version of her Psyche style. She actually does seem to be more mellow these days, so I wouldn't be surprised if she came out with something like that accordingly.

[Iwillmeether]

I was seriously thinking about la javanaise, because her voice is just so soothing, It would be a shame if she didn't have a softer song on the new album

[Människöpesten]

something else, something.....cole trainesque
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[user472884]

WHATEVER SHE DAMN WELL PLEASES

but seriously, going back to a Psych sound would probably be better for sales

[severianb]

Yes, I've also been leaning towards her doing some softer stuff, as she does it so beautifully.

On the other hand, we have been talking about her wonderful dancing, and I'm thinking I'd love to see her do a fun dance-pop album.

I think the choice is obvious. She must do both. (Gwen Stefani, who Alizee is a big fan of, did it!)

[BrianO1]

I would like to hear some more up-beat songs. Like JPVA, 50/60, those types, mixed with some softer stuff as well, like acoustic stuff.

[pepelepew]

[QUOTE=severianb;197880]Yes, I've also been leaning towards her doing some softer stuff, as she does it so beautifully.

On the other hand, we have been talking about her wonderful dancing, and I'm thinking I'd love to see her do a fun dance-pop album.

I think the choice is obvious. She must do both. (Gwen Stefani, who Alizee is a big fan of, did it!)[/QUOTE Also with rich instrumentals similar to MCE /Enconcert with mature lyrics.:wub:

[severianb]

I was seriously thinking about la javanaise, because her voice is just so soothing, It would be a shame if she didn't have a softer song on the new album

Yes, agreed. And she does it so WELL. No voice modifiers, no backup singers, nothing but a guitar. I love it.

I love this video of her first performance with Jean-Félix Lalanne at an AIDS benefit. The crowd gets right into it, singing along with her... it's great.
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And obviously, Jean-Félix was quite impressed, because when it came time to do another concert, he invited her back. High praise from a respected artist for someone who some deride as just a "pretty face"
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I would like to hear some more up-beat songs. Like JPVA, 50/60, those types, mixed with some softer stuff as well, like acoustic stuff.

So, basically Psychedelices. New stuff, but a mix.

[MYGOGT]

I would have to say a good mix to appeal to the wider audience. As long as her voice is showcased along with some dance.

[AlizéeInspired]

La Javanaise is one of my favorite performances by her, if not my number one favorite, so I've gotta vote for something acoustic or softer.

Seeing as how Psychédélices is pretty much my favorite album, I wouldn't mind seeing her go back to something like that either. Acoustic performances and songs are my favorite though. What I'd really love to see is her up on the stage singing while playing the guitar. Her voice with an acoustic guitar is golden. I doubt she has time to learn that skill well enough for performances, but I can dream :p <div class="background" style="position: relative; right: 26px; top: -500px;"><img src="http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy338/DanielBroManGuy/dragonball.png" /></div>

[Toc De Mac]

It's funny how we all were secretly thinking of the next album. As I wrote over at Lillytown/AFC/Alizée Community, or whatever they're now calling it, I'd also really like an album that's simpler and more hushed.

Her performance of La Javanaise has always stuck with me as the style suits her so well. For the next album, a guitar, some drums, and bossa nova will do perfectly well... :o

[Naft]

Something that's slow but at the same time puts her voice to 100% use, like the "Dis-lui que toi je t'aime" in Israel recently.

Of course it's not her song so she shouldn't only be doing covers, but her voice in it is simply breathtaking.
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Something along the lines of that, or as stated a Psych' like album would be neat.

[Azhiri]

Would anybody else be interested in a song or two influenced by reggae? Not actual reggae songs, just a hint here or there.

[severianb]

Would anybody else be interested in a song or two influenced by reggae? Not actual reggae songs, just a hint here or there.

Like the Police? They were great.

Sounds like a good plan! I'd love to hear it. :cool:

[Chuck]

Would anybody else be interested in a song or two influenced by reggae? Not actual reggae songs, just a hint here or there.

Like the Police? They were great.
Sounds like a good plan! I'd love to hear it. :cool:

Or like "The Tide Is High" by Blondie? She could do a good job on that one, but, as I recall, a lot of people here really disliked her caribbean-influenced, slower, TV version of JEAM from a couple of years ago (i wasn't one of them).

I voted for the last box - "Something Else", not because I dislike the other choices. Rather, because one of the things I've grown to like most about Lili is how she's developed over the years into an "artist" - showing more and more ability and talent with all sorts of different styles. She should keep on exploring, keep on growing. Far be it from me to be guessing what she should do next. But my guess is, she'll probably surprise us again.

[Azhiri]

Like the Police? They were great.

Sounds like a good plan! I'd love to hear it. :cool:


Or like "The Tide Is High" by Blondie?

Yeah! Or maybe even something like "Don't Speak" or "Underneath it All" by No Doubt.

I voted for the last box - "Something Else", not because I dislike the other choices. Rather, because one of the things I've grown to like most about Lili is how she's developed over the years into an "artist" - showing more and more ability and talent with all sorts of different styles. She should keep on exploring, keep on growing. Far be it from me to be guessing what she should do next. But my guess is, she'll probably surprise us again.

Mhmm. To be honest I don't think she'll ever go back to "something like" any of her previous albums - she's changed with each album and never gone back, why should she do it now?

[Rev]

I voted for this one: Dance-Pop (dance music... and Alizee dancing!)

However, if we look at what has worked for her and what she likes we get the following:

The MF/LB era - very good electronic support of her vocals. Very warm electronic sounds (unlike CM - whose sound was not the best match for Alizée's voice). Good layered vocals. Good songs (by this I mean that the songs were melodic on several levels, and the lyrics were music in themselves).

On her own - she wanted to sing songs that have meaning and are not just words to tease or words to carry a tune. I'll guess and say that she wants to sing poetry and songs with lyrical depth and emotive complexity.

She tried twice, but in each one I believe she was not quite able to hit the target she wanted to (the target being albums that are sufficiently popular to enable her to perform live).

I think (again I am guessing) that each time she brought a team on board and then tried for the best she could get. Once on board, she collaborated with them. The result was two artistic works.

However, I believe that in this process she lost sight of a few of the factors that are really important to her. For example, her voice is her instrument, but several of the songs did not bring out her voice as well as they might have been able to. Also, her voice on a recording benefits a lot from layering. This was underutilized. Also they processed her voice too much on several tracks on the last album.


So, I would like to see an album that has some dance songs in it (and hopefully she will dance to a couple of them at least), that has many songs that really bring out her voice effectively, and has a couple that are simply "fun" (catchy tunes that she can play with). To the extent that she can mix the poetry and complexity in with this then great, but if she can't then she will have to forgo some of the complexity in favor of songs that will at least enable her to perform. Eventually she will find a combintion that works for her. :)

[User22]

I was thinking softer stuff, then dance stuff, then mylene stuff to get massive sales. So I just decided on a more widely appealing Psych style...

[Iwillmeether]

I was thinking softer stuff, then dance stuff, then mylene stuff to get massive sales. So I just decided on a more widely appealing Psych style...

Typical Chazz!Pfft

[Edcognito]

Rock/Pop (in collaboration with Mylene for the words and LB for the music). NOTE: I most *specifically* did NOT say "Mylene for the image", rather using MF & LB's talents, in a direction that Alizee wants to go.


Having said that, I'm happy with the last two albums (on a personal level) and wouldn't mind another "concept/art" album such as UEDS...

ymmv, void where prohibited, taxed or illegal...


Ed :cool:

[babyblue558]

Ohh I'd really love to hear her try a rock-influenced album, provided she keeps the beautiful melodies and vocals I love most about her previous work. Doesn't have to be 100% rock... a few acoustic ballads and maybe a few more pop-orientated tracks to give it radio playability.

Something along the lines of this...
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Rock sonorities and feeling but still with the gorgeous melodies and vocals we love her for.

[severianb]

Ohh I'd really love to hear her try a rock-influenced album...

A minute after I posted this poll, I kicked myself for not including this option. I think her voice is a great counterpoint to rock-based instrumentals. I think MCE was better than Gourmandises in large part because of the more "rock" edge.

Alizée rocks, so it makes sense. ;)

[Junkmale]

Does it really matter?
We are all gonna buy it anyway!!!

[Edcognito]

Does it really matter?
We are all gonna buy it anyway!!!

QFT!

Ed:cool:

[lefty12357]

I'd also really love to hear her try a rock-influenced pop album. I'm also with Ed in the fact that if she did do another "concept/art" album like UEDS, I would definitely be happy with it as well. I have liked all her albums so far, but I think this time around she should try to do something that will appeal more to the masses, to at least strengthen her position in the music industry.

[User22]

Yeah Lefty she definitely needs that album that will get her noticed among musicians. She also needs the album that will get her noticed as a true artist among the public. Let's hope she knows this...

[Un-rêve]

Rock/Pop album!

I guess that's what's popular with the main... it's what she's familiar with too. I'd appreciate anything she puts out there though as long as it's her.. just her.

[Jaimes]

Moar psych! Moar 50/60! I wana sing to myself moar!

[RobandSandy]

I hope its a dance pop album with several soft songs as well to showcase that angelic voice she has. But I wanna see her DANCE!

[severianb]

Wow. The people wanna see Lilly DANCE!

(I guess that makes sense, it's been a long time. She should bring that shake back, show the pretenders how it's done)

http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/6/6c/6c00c6fa_htf_imgcache_34634.gif

Her milkshake brings even the lactose-intolerant boys to the yard. *snicker*
Polls don't lie.

[Naft]

Wow. The people wanna see Lilly DANCE!

(I guess that makes sense, it's been a long time. She should bring that shake back, show the pretenders how it's done)
Polls don't lie.

I'd love to see her dance, although not in that way. She's outgrown the lolita and she could probably not pull it off to this day. It's way too much sex-appeal for a 26 year old and I doubt she'll ever return to it. I'd rather see something that's less revealing and provocative, something that she can do with her current style that still expresses strong emotions both of her and of the crowd.

[Iwillmeether]

Wow. The people wanna see Lilly DANCE!

(I guess that makes sense, it's been a long time. She should bring that shake back, show the pretenders how it's done)

http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/6/6c/6c00c6fa_htf_imgcache_34634.gif

Her milkshake brings even the lactose-intolerant boys to the yard. *snicker*
Polls don't lie.


That made me laugh so hard, it's rediculous. Thank you for starting my day on such a good note :P

[Chuck]

Heyy!! Get that outta here! My doctors say I can't look at that kinda stuff anymore! (Bad heart and everything...) :( (jkn)


But seriously, I'm past that kind of dancing, and I think Lili is too. (Not that she couldn't still pull it off if she CHOSE to, but really...) I say the odds of her shimmy-shaking again in the future lie somewhere between zero and none.


So I'm not knocking anyone for voting for dance music. That may be exactly what the next full-length turns out to be. Or maybe not. But I hope people aren't voting in favor of a visceral thrill. Cause that's not being realistic.


Ahem, sorry everyone. :o
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Personally I voted for the "something else" column, because I only expect anything. But I'd like to rhapsodically wax nostalgic for a few moments about my favorite album so far, Psychédélices. If you haven't voted yet, consider this option.

I mean, come on, folks! "Par Les Paupieres" is on there! And "Fifty-Sixty", people! "Taxi Driver". Oh yeah, and "Mademoiselle Juliet", everybody! The soaring heights and sorrowful depths of "Idéaliser"! Effing "Lillytown"! "Décollage"! "L'Effet". And the killer title track! And a lot of those tracks WERE definitely dance music, too. Plus a great variety of stuff! And she showed off her voice, in every song! :eek: (with UEDS, as it seemed to me, she wasn't showing off at all, in ANY way.)

So to sum up, I think a return to something similar to Psychédélices would be really very nice. Just that I'm not counting on that to happen, but boy, I think it would be extra nice. Still, she could even do Nashville-style country music and I bet we'd all still love it.

@ Corsaire : Si tu ever achètes un autre album in your entire vie, the very prochain one should be Psychédélices, that's mon avis, mon ami ! (and my keyboard is Québeçois, aussi, btw. I can't seem to control it.)

:confused:
:p

[severianb]

I'd love to see her dance, although not in that way. She's outgrown the lolita and she could probably not pull it off to this day. It's way too much sex-appeal for a 26 year old

She wasn't a Lolita when she did the JEAM and JPVA dances. She was a full grown woman. She could pull those dances and outfits off easily today. TOO MUCH SEX APPEAL FOR A 26 YEAR OLD??!!?? What kind of prematurely aged, lame-ass 26 year olds do you know? I know quite a few women around that age that would take great offense to that statement.... then proceed to blow your mind with "too much sex-appeal"! :eek: Heck, Gwen Stefani didn't come out with her dance albums until her late 30s, and she sold a few million of 'em... looking damn sexy.

I doubt she'll ever return to it. I'd rather see something that's less revealing and provocative, something that she can do with her current style that still expresses strong emotions both of her and of the crowd.

I agree with you. However, the Psych and UEDS images/dances were not even close to what would be needed, for a successful dance album. She would have to be far sexier and dynamic...

That made me laugh so hard, it's rediculous. Thank you for starting my day on such a good note :P

No problem. You know it's a damn good milkshake.

But seriously, I'm past that kind of dancing, and I think Lili is too. (Not that she couldn't still pull it off if she CHOSE to, but really...) I say the odds of her shimmy-shaking again in the future lie somewhere between zero and none.

I'm not past that kind of dancing, but I agree she probably won't do it again.


So to sum up, I think a return to something similar to Psychédélices would be really very nice.

Uh, you should have voted for Psych-style then. :confused:

[babyblue558]

It's way too much sex-appeal for a 26 year old

You clearly haven't met Mylène Farmer :p

[User22]

Severian why'd you put that up!? You got me in trouble from my mommy :( jk'n hahaha.

Dance music? Really guys? I thought we got over that :p

[DrSmith]

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[babyblue558]

Dance music? Really guys? I thought we got over that :p

More importantly, I think so has she. Alizée dancing doesn't mean as much to me as it clearly does to some people here. For me, #1 priority is the quality of the music, and for me I don't think her music has ever been as high quality since the first two albums. It's just true - lyrical complexity, musical complexity, catchy beats, outstanding vocals - it was all there and I don't think it's ever 'all been there' in such force since Gourmandises and MCE. In *some* songs of Psych and UEDS the overall quality of the music equals that of the first two albums, but as whole albums, they just don't cut it when compared to the first two.

SO what would I like to hear in the future? As much as I'd like to hear something similar to the Mymy / Laurent produced tracks, I don't think anything will quite be able to equal them when it comes to the perfect pop song. It's been done to perfection once - time to move on. That's why I think rock-pop would be great. It's different from anything she's done before but not SO different it will fail to win popularity in terms of sales / charts (possibly what went wrong with UEDS). You see a lot of rock-pop in the charts nowadays - Alizée could capitalise from that.

ALSO to make the album really work she needs to find a producer who is perfect for the job (as Mymy and Laurent were back in the day). One thing that really stands out for me in those early albums in terms of production is the excellent musical and lyrical complexion and depth - if she can achieve something of similar brilliance only in a different genre, she could really be onto a winner. The place where Psych and UEDS fell down is that the production wasn't as consistently good as in Gourmandises and MCE - in some places it worked really well, while in others it seemed a little ameteurish and not up to scratch. That's why an experienced produce who knows what he / she is doing is a MUST.

Wow a lot of typing to do on a phone - I think my fingers need a sleep :p

[Tom]

Wow. The people wanna see Lilly DANCE!

Why did you edit and changed to that GIF instead of the first one? I don't see her face anymore. :(

Anyway, I voted for "Psych style (A mix of styles)".

[Bigdan]

You clearly haven't met Mylène Farmer :p

:D good answer

[BrianO1]

I too would love to see a more rock-pop type of sound. I really like MJ for that reason.
If she did a Pop-rock album, with a handful of softer songs, I think that would be awesome. SO I guess I am sticking with Psych style??

[User22]

I too would love to see a more rock-pop type of sound. I really like MJ for that reason.
If she did a Pop-rock album, with a handful of softer songs, I think that would be awesome. SO I guess I am sticking with Psych style??

yeah, that's Psych Style...good choice :)

[Joey_adore_Jung]

I vote for metal just straight up metal, that would be a dream come true

[Naft]

She wasn't a Lolita when she did the JEAM and JPVA dances. She was a full grown woman. She could pull those dances and outfits off easily today. TOO MUCH SEX APPEAL FOR A 26 YEAR OLD??!!?? What kind of prematurely aged, lame-ass 26 year olds do you know? I know quite a few women around that age that would take great offense to that statement.... then proceed to blow your mind with "too much sex-appeal"! :eek: Heck, Gwen Stefani didn't come out with her dance albums until her late 30s, and she sold a few million of 'em... looking damn sexy.



I agree with you. However, the Psych and UEDS images/dances were not even close to what would be needed, for a successful dance album. She would have to be far sexier and dynamic...



No problem. You know it's a damn good milkshake.



I'm not past that kind of dancing, but I agree she probably won't do it again.



Uh, you should have voted for Psych-style then. :confused:
Those 26-year olds are probably not in with the same style as Lili has at the moment and would have trouble just pulling that off. For her to dance she'd have to create a new image of what she's tried to get away from.

I'm sorry about the bad wording, of course she still has and would have an enormous sex-appeal as a 26 year old woman, but... I just don't know why, but I don't think she can pull it off in anyway.

You clearly haven't met Mylène Farmer :p
I haven't, but from what I've heard her when she found out the harsh truth that she was too old for some of her songs and dances at around her 30th birthday she found the young promising Lili that we know of.

[DrSmith]

I haven't, but from what I've heard her when she found out the harsh truth that she was too old for some of her songs and dances at around her 30th birthday she found the young promising Lili that we know of.

Mylène was too old to be a lolita, not too old for her own material. The image she crafted for Alizée was nothing like her own. And if you call Mylène too old again I'll merk ya. :p

[Naft]

Mylène was too old to be a lolita, not too old for her own material. The image she crafted for Alizée was nothing like her own. And if you call Mylène too old again I'll merk ya. :p

Oh god, I just keep digging myself into a deeper hole. Although what you worded was what I originally meant, sorry if it came out too offensive.

[DrSmith]

Not offensive at all. Don't worry. This little guy means I'm not mad >>> :p <<<

But I wanted to clarify that the image and material Mylène created for Alizée was not like her own. She came up with it with a younger artist in mind.

[Naft]

Not offensive at all. Don't worry. This little guy means I'm not mad >>> :p <<<

5 AM, just woke up and can't word myself correctly, you'll have to excuse me for not getting that :confused:

[Corsaire]

What style should the next album be? I don’t know.
The crucial question for me is: "which Alizée should release the next album". As far as I am concerned, the music is just one part of the magic... and it isn’t even the most important part.

I like to see Alizée perform, I like to see her smile, I like to hear her voice when she talks in interviews, her laugh... See her beautiful eyes. So, I just want her to release an album that will make it possible for me to indulge in those pleasures. This means that it is more her attitude towards the process of promoting and supporting her new album that is important to me.

But if I had to select a style, I would say a rock album would suit her better. Not too dark or heavy. Something light and fun with more dancing. Nothing fancy, just seeing her having fun on stage. And maybe a more colourful and happy look without the straight bangs sitting over her eyebrows, which never really worked with me.

[Azhiri]

I agree, Corsaire. I want to see HAPPY LILI not "bangs on face heavy makeup trippy music video" Lili. :D

[Rev]

...But if I had to select a style, I would say a rock album would suit her better. Not too dark or heavy. Something light and fun with more dancing. Nothing fancy, just seeing her having fun on stage. And maybe a more colourful and happy look without the straight bangs sitting over her eyebrows, which never really worked with me.


She likes rock, but I'm not so sure pure rock would like her.

It wouldn't hurt to have a couple of rocking numbers on an album, but I just can't picture this type of music being a good fit for her voice.


To go to an extreme, can you picture Janis Joplin-zée. :)

[Corsaire]

She likes rock, but I'm not so sure pure rock would like her.

It wouldn't hurt to have a couple of rocking numbers on an album, but I just can't picture this type of music being a good fit for her voice.

I agree about "pure" rock, but I meant "light" in the sense of soft-rock. I think that could work for her. A few tracks that move for her dancing, a few ballads...

To go to an extreme, can you picture Janis Joplin-zée. :)

... or Janizée Jacoplin. :D

Edit:

I agree, Corsaire. I want to see HAPPY LILI not "bangs on face heavy makeup trippy music video" Lili. :D

:)

But even if it did not come with my favourite Alizée style and attitude, I still do like the music of UEDS very much. Can’t have everything... Or maybe the next album and next Alizée will be everything to me! But that would mean not getting rid of my obsession too soon...:blink:

[Topaz]

Joyeux anniversaire!

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[severianb]

Dance music? Really guys? I thought we got over that :p

As I've said all along, I'd personally prefer the La Javanise, acoustic album. But let's face the facts: If she wants to quickly get back in the good graces of French fans, she's going to have to give them what they want. And what they want is the smoking hot beauty with the sexy dancing who managed to be wholesome at the same time. Anything else is going to be a long, winding road.... which I would love... but it probably wouldn't lead to concerts anytime soon.

an experienced producer who knows what he / she is doing is a MUST.


Easier said than done, right? Obviously correct, though. On the other hand, I thought Psych and UEDS were very well done. I just think it's going to take a long time to be accepted (if ever) for a new style(s) in France.

Why did you edit and changed to that GIF instead of the first one? I don't see her face anymore.

The original .gif was huge. I was trying to kind to bandwidth-limited members. I did like it more, with the hand movements and face. A link: http://208.116.9.205/10/content/9147/1.gif

I too would love to see a more rock-pop type of sound. I really like MJ for that reason.
If she did a Pop-rock album, with a handful of softer songs, I think that would be awesome. SO I guess I am sticking with Psych style??

I think it sounds more like MCE. I mean "rock" is pushing it for MCE, but even more so for Psych, IMHO.

I vote for metal just straight up metal, that would be a dream come true

You are biased, because you have dastardly plans of being in her band... which would be awesome.... :cool: You could teach Lilly power chords.

I'm sorry about the bad wording, of course she still has and would have an enormous sex-appeal as a 26 year old woman, but... I just don't know why, but I don't think she can pull it off in anyway.

Understood. We will just have to agree to disagree. I don't think physically she's changed that much, and it woudn't take long for her to get back into dancing....

Something light and fun with more dancing. Nothing fancy, just seeing her having fun on stage. And maybe a more colourful and happy look without the straight bangs sitting over her eyebrows, which never really worked with me.

I agree, Corsaire. I want to see HAPPY LILI not "bangs on face heavy makeup trippy music video" Lili. :D

A 3rd on not feeling the whole bangs thing. The interesting thing is... you folks are describing her early Psych promotions. She looked good in the interviews and pictures. She wore cute clothes and I liked her haircut. I mean, just check out the cover of the album. A cute, playful image on the front, and a quite sexy image on the back of her wearing nothing but suspenders.
An then going back through the early interviews..dressed sexy but cute, as only Lilly can. I remember seeing the Madmoizelle interview http://alizeeamerica.com/play/?v=79 and thinking... "she had a kid?!? She looks great!"
Then, suddenly, she switched to that curly hairstyle, which I didn't like. And suddenly started dressing in shapeless dresses (Mu-Mus?) for her concerts. And the dancing... vanished. It was all so dissapointing, even though I loved the music.... even more so because the "Early-Psych era" Alizee gave me high hopes. And was the Alizée I feel Corsaire and Azhiri are describing.

[Naft]

Understood. We will just have to agree to disagree. I don't think physically she's changed that much, and it woudn't take long for her to get back into dancing....


Sounds good, however I need to make something clear.

I still think she can dance and do it beautifully, she still has the talent to and the body to support it. I'm just saying that she's outgrown the JPVA/JEAM style and it wouldn't be fitting to do it with her current style and image.

[babyblue558]

I haven't, but from what I've heard her when she found out the harsh truth that she was too old for some of her songs and dances at around her 30th birthday she found the young promising Lili that we know of.

Mylène's currently 49 years old and still quite the sex symbol in France... and still knows how to pull a few moves on a dance-floor :p

[Naft]

Mylène's currently 49 years old and still quite the sex symbol in France... and still knows how to pull a few moves on a dance-floor :p

I'll just shut up from now on before I hit rock-bottom... :confused::confused::confused:

[Bigdan]

Mylène was too old to be a lolita, not too old for her own material. The image she crafted for Alizée was nothing like her own. And if you call Mylène too old again I'll merk ya. :p

me too !:p

Edit:

Mylène's currently 49 years old and still quite the sex symbol in France... and still knows how to pull a few moves on a dance-floor :p

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/149/mylenelive.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/mylenelive.jpg/)

:p

[User22]

Ewww....49 year olds!!!

[Corsaire]

What about a Coeur de pirate style of music for Alizée? It would suit her wonderfully, I think. Coeur de pirate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C5%93ur_de_pirate) is a Québécois (French-Canadian) act that is quite popular in Québec and France these days. See if you like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOs3q8rzHpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUI6Tvd1sA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNUry6RNZBM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uy4RtxPrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0AXUw49MH0&feature=related (added after Edit)

Coeur de pirate doesn’t sound too bad live and in English, s'il vous plait!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBIljzsv2M

Edit:
Oh yeah... Before anyone comes up with the info and some people get all disappointed, if you didn't read the Wiki link above, yes, CDP did some nude pictures when she was younger, and yes, they used to be on the Internet... Not sure they still are.

[Scruffydog777]

I just got back from a trip to Europe and have been following this thread, but wanted to wait until I arrived back to comment.

First of all, I don't think we've heard anything official yet from Alizée as to whether UEDS is officially dead and if she is planning a new album so we all might just be flapping our gums in the breeze.

I'm surprised to see some people say that they'd like to see another album similar to Psych. First of all, it did not do well in France. Second of all it was an experiment in different styles. So should she make an album with several styles again? I don't think so. I think if there is another album, if it's not a commercial success, it will be her last. So there's no more time for experimentation. She needs to pick a direction to go in. Choosing 2 styles I think would be best. Some softer songs and some pop songs. The best part of limiting it to 2 styles is, if you put together a cd of 12 songs, that gives you 6 chances of coming up with 2 good ones for each style and I like those odds.

Electronic I think wasn't necessarily a bad direction to go in, but she made the bad mistake of choosing CM to work with and as someone else mentioned, they were a terrible fit for her voice and now I don't think she can afford to go back in that direction.

Several people have mentioned they'd like to see her dance more (Well wouldn't we all for that matter?). But I think what would help her out more is some good music videos. Not an amateur effort like we saw with Les Collines. More like something along the lines of ACC. Someone mentioned they'd like her to sing songs that tell a story and I'd like to see some videos along those lines.

The thing I think Alizée needs most with this new album is someone around her who will give an objective opinion of any new songs. Someone who wont sugar coat things, who wont pull punches, who will tell her that a particular song, might be good, but it wont be good enough to make what it will take for her to have success.

[severianb]

Sounds good, however I need to make something clear.

I still think she can dance and do it beautifully, she still has the talent to and the body to support it. I'm just saying that she's outgrown the JPVA/JEAM style and it wouldn't be fitting to do it with her current style and image.

Ok, then you and I are in agreement.

[BrianO1]

Choosing 2 styles I think would be best.

I agree, thats why I wasnt sure I wanted to choose "Psych style", cause there were a few too many styles on that album.

Pop/softer songs works just fine for me :D

(I guess I should have picked "something else")

[babyblue558]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/149/mylenelive.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/mylenelive.jpg/)

:p

Touché
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/956/2009nathaliedelepinecla.jpg

Ewww....49 year olds!!!
:rolleyes:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4856/mylenefarmerjtde20heure.png
:p

I'll just shut up from now on before I hit rock-bottom... :confused::confused::confused:
All my point was that if Mylène manages to pull off a sexy-dancey image at 49 then Alizée DEFINITELY could at 26 with no problem. Thing is, I don't really think she wants to because it would make her feel uncomfortable for whatever reason, only she knows...

Easier said than done, right? Obviously correct, though. On the other hand, I thought Psych and UEDS were very well done. I just think it's going to take a long time to be accepted (if ever) for a new style(s) in France.
Yes and that's why I would usually say that when you've found a production team that works very well, STICK WITH THEM. While the Mymy / Laurent production team certainly worked very well from a musical point of view, it was beginning not to work from Alizée's personal point of view (ie she wasn't able to take control and steer her career exactly where she wanted it to go). It will be very, very difficult to find a production style that equals (musically) the quality achieved by Gourmandises and MCE, but it's certainly possible. I remember mentioning a while ago on a thread (maybe this very one?!) that an epic return to glory after a few years of underachieving on the sales front is possible (France Gall and Meat Loaf were the examples I used).

My advice to Alizée would be to keep on experimenting with different producers and styles until she finds one that both works musically and fits in with where she wants to be and what she wants to do. It will happen I'm certain if she's determined enough to perservere during these years of experimentation and low-ish sales.

But here I am giving "advice" on a subject I know barely anything about... such is life :rolleyes:

[RobandSandy]

And so if MADONNA at the ripe age of 51 could also pull off a sexy dance floor image...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQRLSBUNupg Im sure Alizée can and will if that is what she wants to do. Mylene 14 global 1rst wk from Blue Noir, Madonna Confessions album debuted at #1 globally when it was released. I think a dance floor album with producers like Redone and Moby Alizée will bust the charts WIDE OPEN!

[Chuck]

Ewww....49 year olds!!!

I heard that. :mad:


:p

[Joey_adore_Jung]

You are biased, because you have dastardly plans of being in her band... which would be awesome.... :cool: You could teach Lilly power chords.



I would teach her more than the power of power chords, but the beauty of shredding and the absolute intensity of headbanging and the mosh pit. I think she would have an amazing headbanging technique. It would look amazing.

[Karlalizee]

i loved the song she sang this past Christmas. this is the style of which i would like for her to continue.

[severianb]

i loved the song she sang this past Christmas. this is the style of which i would like for her to continue.

French underground? The people she did UEDS with. I enjoyed it very much... and obviously they all enjoy working together. To bad the combo was a flop commercially.

Edit:

I think a dance floor album with producers like Redone and Moby Alizée will bust the charts WIDE OPEN!

I agree. And it fits in with the theme of her trying new things. She's never done a pure dance album before. I love a thumping bass beat every now and again... having Lilly MC it would make it awesome. :cool:

Edit:

I remember mentioning a while ago on a thread (maybe this very one?!) that an epic return to glory after a few years of underachieving on the sales front is possible (France Gall and Meat Loaf were the examples I used).

I know Meat Loaf did it (after going downhill for years) by doing the *same exact thing* he had done before.. epic rock opera. With the same producer. France Gall went almost 10 years without a hit after leaving Gainsbourg before she found popular success again with new people.


My advice to Alizée would be to keep on experimenting with different producers and styles until she finds one that both works musically and fits in with where she wants to be and what she wants to do. It will happen I'm certain if she's determined enough to perservere during these years of experimentation and low-ish sales.


I think you are right. I tend to respectfully disagree with folks who think her career will be done if her next album isn't a hit. She's a singer. She is part of the French music "scene" and it's obvious other artists like her and like working with her. She will keep going, and will no doubt be a big hit again. I worry more about us poor obsessed fans than her! :D

[User22]

I heard that. :mad:


:p

Hehehe :o Sorry you and Mylene just happen to be the same age :p

Don't worry, once you hit the big 5-0 then it won't apply to you :D

[Corsaire]

What about a Coeur de pirate style of music for Alizée? It would suit her wonderfully, I think. Coeur de pirate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C5%93ur_de_pirate) is a Québécois (French-Canadian) act that is quite popular in Québec and France these days. See if you like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOs3q8rzHpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUI6Tvd1sA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNUry6RNZBM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uy4RtxPrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0AXUw49MH0&feature=related (added after Edit)

Coeur de pirate doesn’t sound too bad live and in English, s'il vous plait!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBIljzsv2M

Edit:
Oh yeah... Before anyone comes up with the info and some people get all disappointed, if you didn't read the Wiki link above, yes, CDP did some nude pictures when she was younger, and yes, they used to be on the Internet... Not sure they still are.

Ok... I am quoting myself to bring this back to life because I can't believe it got no follow up whatsoever... Not necessarily my type of music, but wouldn’t it suit Alizée nicely? I can even see her pull some nice slower, laidback, romantic dance moves on some of these.

I'll keep quoting myself until someone comments on this (good or bad)... I really will... :o

[HelixSix]

Unfortunately female artists pretty much have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what the media labels as successful. Guys on the other hand can dress or act however they want and it doesn't really matter. It's one of those unfair double standards.

I'm for whatever type of album she wants to do since that's what really matters. But if she wanted to go a different direction I'd say take some of the serious attitude she displayed in UEDS/Psych and do some R&B/hip hop with a bit of pop and rock. Something to get the people jumping in the clubs. I mention the serious attitude because she can pull it off, and it could be a substitute for degrading sexuality. I think a good example is Usher. He goes out there and owns the stage even though he is not a rowdy/loud guy. He is smooth, but serious. He has some classy songs too.

I haven't seen Beyoncé talked about on here (I'm guessing because she is respectable even though she does flaunt her body). I think that is because she acts fierce (Tyra Banks term) and lets people know she is doing what she wants to do. She undoubtedly owns every song she is in. I don't think we've seen Alizeé really reach that "sense" yet with her own music.

We saw some of it in the MJ video but it was kinda misplaced or mismanaged I think, as was some of the dancing. I'd like to see Alizée incorporating the attitude of telling her critics to F off. Give the look that says "I know you want me to take my clothes off but I'm not, so deal with it."

And of course if you have an amped up album your gonna have to dance and we know she can, but she will need choreographers that can insert slick moves/routines in a few of the songs. And for the loud songs I'd say be walking commandingly around the set/stage rather than softly. But all that is for the songs that require the attitude to go along with the beat.

Lastly, the music has to be good enough for all that to come together. Everything will take care of itself after that.

[Rev]

Ok... I am quoting myself to bring this back to life because I can't believe it got no follow up whatsoever... Not necessarily my type of music, but wouldn’t it suit Alizée nicely? I can even see her pull some nice slower, laidback, romantic dance moves on some of these.

I'll keep quoting myself until someone comments on this (good or bad)... I really will... :o


Okay. OKAY. If you insist.

The style seems a little like Lily Allen - a style Alizée has alrady stated she likes. A sassy Alizée would be fun. :)

[Corsaire]

Okay. OKAY. If you insist.

The style seems a little like Lily Allen - a style Alizée has alrady stated she likes. A sassy Alizée would be fun. :)

I don’t really know Lily Allen much, but I guess there could be some similarities...
or maybe I only partly agree because you were the only one to respond to my desperate plea :D

[pepelepew]

I agree the style would fit Alizee very well although those exact songs seem too adolescent in melody and tone. I don't know what the lyrics were because I can't speak French. Soft ballads and pop with a rock edge with dancing would be great. I also agree she should do music with authority and attitude. :wub:

[severianb]

I'm sorry Corsiare, It was just too strange to me. I couldn't get into it. It seemed more like a narrative than a song. Not feeling it for myself. Not feeling it for Lilly.

[Euphoria]

Well, since electronic sounding music is my favorite, I'm gonna have to go with that. Similar to UEDS, but more lively. Here is a perfect example of the direction I'd love to see her go in. Electronic, pop-ish, a little bit rock but with a smooth and sexy feel.

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[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I think you are right. I tend to respectfully disagree with folks who think her career will be done if her next album isn't a hit. She's a singer. She is part of the French music "scene" and it's obvious other artists like her and like working with her. She will keep going, and will no doubt be a big hit again. I worry more about us poor obsessed fans than her! :D

It's not so much that she wouldn't be able to do another album, it's more that it becomes harder and harder to find people to work with after having failing albums.

Unfortunately female artists pretty much have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what the media labels as successful.

Typically true, however if you are truly good and have good material it don't really matter. Just look at say Tarja Turunen who typically wears a full length dress or such.

As for the original question I'll simply agree with Joey, even if it wouldn't fit how she does things generally.

Regards,

Jung

[Scruffydog777]

I enjoyed the music of Coeur de pirate, especially the song Umbrella, and think this is a style that could suit Alizée, but I think a lot of us would like to see her sing more lively music in the hope that she will do some more dancing.

Just to get off topic for a minute. Beatrice (Cdp), is a beautiful girl. Now I know values have changed quite a bit over the years since I was a kid, it's quite acceptable for girls and women to get tatoos, after all it's their own bodies, they're free to do with it what they want, but looking at Coeur de pirate, it seems such a shame what she has done to herself. Maybe to herself, they're a work of art, but to me and I wonder how many others, it's just like the disfiguring of a work of art.

Now Alizée has a few. One of her daughter on her arm and one, her husbands name in hebrew. These are very touching, very loving gestures on her part. Gestures that show how much her family means to her, but they do take away from that natural beauty, that used to leave me muttering to myself "Unbelievably beuatiful!", when ever I would watch En Concert and she was wearing that great white dress. I'd hate to see her get any more in very noticable areas, though in no way will it have any affect on whether her future career is a success or not. The same comment Jung made above about her sexuality applies here. If she is truely good and has good material, it wont really matter.

To get back on topic. There are several styles that would probably work for her. Electronic could have worked for her but CM was such a terrible match for her, that I don't think she'll try going down that road again. It's just what ever style she chooses, she's going to have to find some really good songs to go with it and that will not be an easy thing to do.

[Junkmale]

'Unfortunately female artists pretty much have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what the media labels as successful. Guys on the other hand can dress or act however they want and it doesn't really matter. It's one of those unfair double standards.'

Really??
Susan Boyle is NOT a successful female artist then??

[DrSmith]

'Unfortunately female artists pretty much have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what the media labels as successful. Guys on the other hand can dress or act however they want and it doesn't really matter. It's one of those unfair double standards.'

Really??
Susan Boyle is NOT a successful female artist then??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0GpU37hxGA

:rolleyes:

[HelixSix]

Really??
Susan Boyle is NOT a successful female artist then??

If I said "all" female artists "have to" wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what "all media" labels as succesful, then you could come after me. But I didn't so look for a fight somewhere else.

Even then the word success has many definitions. If money is the only thing that matters to you then you have your opinion. Myself, and certainly not all the media think success is only measured by money.

[Corsaire]

I agree the style would fit Alizee very well although those exact songs seem too adolescent in melody and tone. I don't know what the lyrics were because I can't speak French. Soft ballads and pop with a rock edge with dancing would be great. I also agree she should do music with authority and attitude. :wub:

I agree about the fact that some of the melodies might seem a little “adolescent”, but for the most part, the lyrics would easily fit a 25-30 year old singer.

Edit:

I'm sorry Corsiare, It was just too strange to me. I couldn't get into it. It seemed more like a narrative than a song. Not feeling it for myself. Not feeling it for Lilly.

Coeur de pirate style would not be what I want for her either. As I said earlier, soft-rock would be my favourite. I was just thinking of something that would be the best compromise.

And what’s with the Lily, Lilly...:D Come on people, it is Lili... It sounds so much better when I read it! ;)

Edit:

I enjoyed the music of Coeur de pirate, especially the song Umbrella, and think this is a style that could suit Alizée, but I think a lot of us would like to see her sing more lively music in the hope that she will do some more dancing.


Actually, I think that Alizée could pull some nice slower, more romantic dance moves on a Coeur de pirate type of music.


Just to get off topic for a minute. Beatrice (Cdp), is a beautiful girl. Now I know values have changed quite a bit over the years since I was a kid, it's quite acceptable for girls and women to get tatoos, after all it's their own bodies, they're free to do with it what they want, but looking at Coeur de pirate, it seems such a shame what she has done to herself. Maybe to herself, they're a work of art, but to me and I wonder how many others, it's just like the disfiguring of a work of art.


I don’t like tattoos of any kind, neither on women nor men. I don’t like piercings either. It is not that I would ever judge a person on such attributes, it is just that I never really found that it improves the natural beauty of anyone.

[Junkmale]

If I said "all" female artists "have to" wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what "all media" labels as succesful, then you could come after me. But I didn't so look for a fight somewhere else.

Even then the word success has many definitions. If money is the only thing that matters to you then you have your opinion. Myself, and certainly not all the media think success is only measured by money.

Uh....no..that's precisely what you did say? I suggest you read your post again.
You were being sexist and over generalising......and i was probably nit-picking a bit.
Where you get 'if money is the only thing etc etc.' from my post is beyond me? Perhaps you can highlight where i said anything remotely like that?

[HelixSix]

Uh....no..that's precisely what you did say? I suggest you read your post again.
You were being sexist and over generalising......and i was probably nit-picking a bit.
Where you get 'if money is the only thing etc etc.' from my post is beyond me? Perhaps you can highlight where i said anything remotely like that?

"Unfortunately female artists pretty much have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what the media labels as successful." Is very different than, "Unfortunately all female artists have to wear revealing clothing or be sexually suggestive to be what all media labels as successful."

If you think "pretty much"="all" then you are just straight up looking for a fight and your gonna have to take that up with the English language.

In my original message I purposefully left room for exceptions, like the one Jung made. You said Susan Boyle and she is an exception. And if you aren't talking about Susan Boyle being successful in terms of money then let me know. But I don't think that even she would disagree when I say she didn't get where she is today because of sex appeal.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

And what’s with the Lily, Lilly...:D Come on people, it is Lili... It sounds so much better when I read it! ;)

It's one that has been discussed before, and quite frankly she uses Lilly.

Regards,

Jung

[Scruffydog777]

I thought for sure it was Lily, but I guess I was wrong. I much prefer Alizée, but I often use Lil(l)y in a post, just to keep from being repetitive, when I use her name a few times.

[Corsaire]

It's one that has been discussed before, and quite frankly she uses Lilly.

Regards,

Jung

Well, Alizée pronounces it “Lili” as we would in French (see Fun TV at 7:45). I suppose the closest English version would be “lee-lee”. It is also spelled “Lili” in the most “trustworthy” references I have found. BTW, I don’t really care what people call her, I was just having fun.


Edit:

And to get back on topic, here is Alizée singing Coeur de pirate’s Comme des enfants. What a strange coincidence... don’t you think? Too bad the sound is so crappy and Alizée just sings a few words here and there. This style would suit her perfectly... A just knew it! ;)

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Original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUI6Tvd1sA

[RobandSandy]

I thought for sure it was Lily, but I guess I was wrong. I much prefer Alizée, but I often use Lil(l)y in a post, just to keep from being repetitive, when I use her name a few times.

Sandy just named a stray cat she has been feeding Lilly Bug. She wants to save all the cats in the world. Gotta love her! And I really would like to see Lilly do more dance music and perform some really good dance moves on her next album myself, but a few softer tunes to showcase her angelic voice would be really good too.