[Split] Alizée on star story - career discussion

[Scruffydog777]

.......... She needs some real professionals guiding the ship for a change......:)

She gave up an awful lot when she left MF and LB, not only the great music and directing of Laurent and the lyrics and tutoring of MF but all the experience and connections these two had in the industry.

Finding someone who knows what they're doing is a tall order. People who can make a difference don't grow on trees and most are probably already tied up with other artists. Plus wouldn't her trying to find someone to help her move in the right direction be a slap in the face to Jeremy. I know there are others involved in managing her career, but I think he has a lot of influence in it.


They said on that tv show that the people want to see Alizée's panties. Would it had made a difference with UEDS if she had some sexy dances choreographed or sexy outfits put together for some of these songs? Surely a well put together video can do a lot for a song, but could something along those lines made UEDS a commercial success? I don't think so, but I could be very wrong. I think it's ultimately the song first that has to be very good and if it's very good, it will do well on it's own merit, but a good dance routine or video can add a great deal more to it's popularity.

[Rev]

...They said on that tv show that the people want to see Alizée's panties. Would it had made a difference with UEDS if she had some sexy dances choreographed or sexy outfits put together for some of these songs? Surely a well put together video can do a lot for a song, but could something along those lines made UEDS a commercial success? I don't think so, but I could be very wrong. I think it's ultimately the song first that has to be very good and if it's very good, it will do well on it's own merit, but a good dance routine or video can add a great deal more to it's popularity.


A really good song is the starting point. A good video or other promotion gets it noticed above all the other stuff out there. :)

[Deepwaters]

Honestly, I think "panties" is being a little unfair to the French public and Alizée's old fans. It implies that there was nothing to her success beyond sex appeal. I think that's absurd. Sure, there was a portion of her audience that was like that, but for the most part her fans were into the whole package, including the music, the choreography, and above all Alizée's personality. Psychédélices was too big a change for some, and UEDS even more so. UEDS is an artistic album that appeals to those who already like electronica, and that alas is not a wide audience.

As I've said many times, there was no sacrifice in leaving Mylène. There was no way that relationship could have continued. It was targeted towards a niche that Alizée could not fill as an adult. Striking out on her own was absolutely necessary. Of course, that involves risk of stumbling. UEDS was a commercial stumble. I believe she'll find her footing and the type of music that works for her and finds her audience. By staying with M&L, all she could have done was to decline. She may fail on her own. She would certainly have failed with them.

[pepelepew]

:)She gave up an awful lot when she left MF and LB, not only the great music and directing of Laurent and the lyrics and tutoring of MF but all the experience and connections these two had in the industry.

Finding someone who knows what they're doing is a tall order. People who can make a difference don't grow on trees and most are probably already tied up with other artists. Plus wouldn't her trying to find someone to help her move in the right direction be a slap in the face to Jeremy. I know there are others involved in managing her career, but I think he has a lot of influence in it.


They said on that tv show that the people want to see Alizée's panties. Would it had made a difference with UEDS if she had some sexy dances choreographed or sexy outfits put together for some of these songs? Surely a well put together video can do a lot for a song, but could something along those lines made UEDS a commercial success? I don't think so, but I could be very wrong. I think it's ultimately the song first that has to be very good and if it's very good, it will do well on it's own merit, but a good dance routine or video can add a great deal more to it's popularity.I don't think anything would have made a big difference with Ueds.As has been said there is a narrow band of support for electronica. Same old song and dance that has been stated on AA many times. Professional production, quality music from popular genre, professional marketing, professional video with choreography.Not so difficult lol! Just a wish list for Alizee. It will be difficult to recreate the magic from the past. Not emplying that she return to same style or appearance, but something just as dramatic. Alizee may not be up for it. How many times has this subject been broached? Too many to count.

[Corsaire]

They said on that tv show that the people want to see Alizée's panties. Would it had made a difference with UEDS if she had some sexy dances choreographed or sexy outfits put together for some of these songs? Surely a well put together video can do a lot for a song, but could something along those lines made UEDS a commercial success? I don't think so, but I could be very wrong. I think it's ultimately the song first that has to be very good and if it's very good, it will do well on it's own merit, but a good dance routine or video can add a great deal more to it's popularity.

There are exceptions, but I think that, in general, what makes a music album (a movie, a TV show....) appealing to the masses is about 75% marketing and hype and 25% artistic/entertainment value. You could convince the masses to buy UEDS tomorrow if you wanted to. You could convince the masses Alizée’s has reinvented herself into a really relevant artist and that UEDS is a great achievement. You can sell Celine Dion and Madonna all you want or you can make them disappear in the background. You can make Lady Gaga one day and break her the next day. The entertainment industry can create any hype it wants to. The entertainment industry decides what it wants to sell to the people and not the other way around.

BTW, I am not saying that “popular” is necessarily “crap”.

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As I've said many times, there was no sacrifice in leaving Mylène. There was no way that relationship could have continued. It was targeted towards a niche that Alizée could not fill as an adult. Striking out on her own was absolutely necessary. Of course, that involves risk of stumbling. UEDS was a commercial stumble. I believe she'll find her footing and the type of music that works for her and finds her audience. By staying with M&L, all she could have done was to decline. She may fail on her own. She would certainly have failed with them.

I beg to differ. I think that Alizée/MF/LB could have run this operation for at least 10 more years if they had wanted to. They could have kept the sexual titillation going and all that was really needed was an adjustment to the lyrics (less juvenile) and some other minor details to be worked out. Apparently, Alizée wanted to explore other avenues, but I wouldn’t reject the possibility that MF/LB could have offered Alizée some other type of image that she didn’t want to be a part of.

I just don’t believe they parted away because the association could not work on the same basis anymore. I think one of the two sides wanted a change and the other side refused to go along. Speculations, of course....

[severianb]

I just don’t believe they parted away because the association could not work on the same basis anymore. I think one of the two sides wanted a change and the other side refused to go along. Speculations, of course....

You are actually stating fact, not speculating. (You didn't know you were so smart, did you?) Here is a direct quote from her sweet lips to our unworthy ears:

In the end, though, I did get the impression that I was a product, and so I started suggesting things that were more personal and less sexy, and that's where our differences began. We separated, however, on good terms.

From this interview: http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5291

Mylene and friends wanted to keep racheting up the sexy... although how you get anymore sexy than what they had already done is beyond me, and apparently, was beyond Alizée also!!!

[Scruffydog777]

There are exceptions, but I think that, in general, what makes a music album (a movie, a TV show....) appealing to the masses is about 75% marketing and hype and 25% artistic/entertainment value. You could convince the masses to buy UEDS tomorrow if you wanted to. You could convince the masses Alizée’s has reinvented herself into a really relevant artist and that UEDS is a great achievement. You can sell Celine Dion and Madonna all you want or you can make them disappear in the background. You can make Lady Gaga one day and break her the next day. The entertainment industry can create any hype it wants to. The entertainment industry decides what it wants to sell to the people and not the other way around.

....

I think an important factor you left out is reputation. Surprisingly, the French people didn't seem to give Alizée any credit for the success of her first two albums. They seemed to think it was mainly if not all due to MF.

So with Psych, Lily was more or less starting off with no reputation, like a new singer that comes along and some good marketing could have led to much better results for this album, but with UEDS, she now had a reputation, one apparently the French people were not impressed with and I think no amount of marketing would have made much of an impact on the sales of this album.


I beg to differ. I think that Alizée/MF/LB could have run this operation for at least 10 more years if they had wanted to. They could have kept the sexual titillation going and all that was really needed was an adjustment to the lyrics (less juvenile) and some other minor details to be worked out. Apparently, Alizée wanted to explore other avenues, but I wouldn’t reject the possibility that MF/LB could have offered Alizée some other type of image that she didn’t want to be a part of.

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I don't think the music MF/LB wrote had to be titillating in order to sell. Look at the song Tempete. I think it's one of Alizée's most beautiful songs and there's nothing of a really sexual nature in there. It's a song about Napoleon and there are several other songs that aren't of a sexual manner, at least not on the surface. Lou ou Toi, A qoui reve une jeune fille and Amelie m'a dit are all beautiful songs, proving at least to me, that they didn't need sex to sell.

But maybe this was a direction MF didn't want to go in, didn't want to do damage to the reputation she had created for herself.

[severianb]

But maybe this was a direction MF didn't want to go in, didn't want to do damage to the reputation she had created for herself.

Uh, Scruffy. Did you read the quote I just posted? There is no MAYBE about it. Mylene wanted to keep getting sexier (probably nude-colored outfits and simulated sex a la Britney, I mean, what else was there?) and Lilly didn't want to go there.

And those songs you listed are absolutely beautiful. Our angel's voice is at its best when singing soft, beautiful songs like that. When I listen to her sing those songs live (such as En Concert) it's sometimes impossible to distinguish them from the album version. I also think that's the way she should go with her next album. However, if you think those songs had much to do with her earlier success..... I'd say you're wrong. They sold the sexy/forbidden image.

[Deepwaters]

I beg to differ. I think that Alizée/MF/LB could have run this operation for at least 10 more years if they had wanted to.

Part of what I'm basing my opinion on is the much lower level of success of MCE compared to Gourmandises. Alizée was on the threshold of adulthood, but the music written for her and the choreography of her performances kept the sexy ingenue image in place. I'm thinking especially of the dances and outfits for JEAM and JPVA, but also of the lyrics, all of which were suggestive of a young girl appealing to an older man.

My feeling is that Mylène was looking for something specific when she went talent-hunting. We know that she wanted someone to perform some songs that she felt she was too old to do herself. Mylène in her late 30s would have seemed preposterous in the role of Lolita, to be sure. So she found Alizée, who was perfect for the part, and crafted that image. The image was animated by Alizée's own personality which came through it to be perceived by her fans, but it was a bit more of a mismatch in the MCE era than in the beginning. Yet it still worked to a degree. But age 18 was really the last time it could. It could never work today. Alizée herself is too old to pull it off.

I would concur that Mylène and Laurent had the talent and skill to do something completely different under Alizée's direction, but the question is, why would they? They have their own partnership producing music and videos for Mylène and it is very successful. Mylène had accomplished what she set out to do with Alizée, and Alizèe had benefited from it with a career start like most performers can only fantasize about. From there, it was necessary for her to find out her own performing niche and her own style, and I don't think that M&L would ever have seen her as anything but a sideline. So it really was necessary that they split.

[RobandSandy]

I think she's too strong a person to cry, but she has to be terribly disappointed, and depressed to an extent. I wonder if there's something we could do as a forum to show our support for her, cheer her up, let her know we will still be there for her.

I dont believe she is crying over the lack of album sales for UEDS either. I believe it is a true attempt by a true artist to reinvent herself. Which was absolutely necessary for her career to continue. Alizée is a stronger person than all that. And I for one and Sandy for two hope she NEVER gives in and becomes another slutty pop star prancing around "showing her panties" even though that seems to be what the majority of the world seems to want. Alizée is way too talented to lower herself to that level. All the Katy Perrys and Brittany Spears and Lady Gagas the mass media can keep as far as we are concerned. If it was just another pop slut I wanted to see I would have been following the afforementioned. The world of mass media has plenty of them, and I cant stand any of them, lots of "panties" and shallow of any true artistic talent. And, as I have stated in the past, What will Alizée do next??? As true of any true artist, Alizée is going to follow her heart and not give in to THE MAN!!! And when she does I will definately be getting her new work. Personally I cant wait for her next release!

[Scruffydog777]

severianb posted part of an interview where Alizee said she and MF parted on good terms, but I believe she said in another interview, when she released Psych, she sent the first cd to MF and LB and she never heard back from them.

[User22]

I dont believe she is crying over the lack of album sales for UEDS either. I believe it is a true attempt by a true artist to reinvent herself. Which was absolutely necessary for her career to continue. Alizée is a stronger person than all that. And I for one and Sandy for two hope she NEVER gives in and becomes another slutty pop star prancing around "showing her panties" even though that seems to be what the majority of the world seems to want. Alizée is way too talented to lower herself to that level. All the Katy Perrys and Brittany Spears and Lady Gagas the mass media can keep as far as we are concerned. If it was just another pop slut I wanted to see I would have been following the afforementioned. The world of mass media has plenty of them, and I cant stand any of them, lots of "panties" and shallow of any true artistic talent. And, as I have stated in the past, What will Alizée do next??? As true of any true artist, Alizée is going to follow her heart and not give in to THE MAN!!! And when she does I will definately be getting her new work. Personally I cant wait for her next release!

Amen Rob...

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severianb posted part of an interview where Alizee said she and MF parted on good terms, but I believe she said in another interview, when she released Psych, she sent the first cd to MF and LB and she never heard back from them.

One thing MF and LB didn't teach Alizee is how to mail things, thats for sure...

[severianb]

severianb posted part of an interview where Alizee said she and MF parted on good terms, but I believe she said in another interview, when she released Psych, she sent the first cd to MF and LB and she never heard back from them.

Yeah, she always says wonderful things about them, thanks them (she even thanked them in the liner notes on Psych).... but from comments like that, and the one about them "probably making a ton of money" licensing Moi...Lolita for others to sing... I have a feeling Mylene cut her off completely, and has never spoken to Alizee again. But that's nothing new for Mylene. I find it funny that people moan and whine about not getting enough updates or fan interaction from Alizee, when her main tutor, Mylene, gives absolutely nothing of herself except what you see in her performances.

[User22]

Yeah, she always says wonderful things about them, thanks them (she even thanked them in the liner notes on Psych).... but from comments like that, and the one about them "probably making a ton of money" licensing Moi...Lolita for others to sing... I have a feeling Mylene cut her off completely, and has never spoken to Alizee again. But that's nothing new for Mylene. I find it funny that people moan and whine about not getting enough updates or fan interaction from Alizee, when her main tutor, Mylene, gives absolutely nothing of herself except what you see in her performances.

I hate seeing people say we don't get enough from Alizee too, especially since we actually do. I could go on and on about things she has done for her fans that some people just don't even realize she has done or things we take for granted...

[Un-rêve]

Remember, she was crying the last night of her first tour simply because it was over.

Sorry but you're thinking of the concert in Riems. She left Le Zenith full of joy! ;)


I could go on and on about things she has done for her fans that some people just don't even realize she has done or things we take for granted...

Quoted for truth!

Well no matter what.. she's always in our hearts...

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[Corsaire]

You are actually stating fact, not speculating. (You didn't know you were so smart, did you?) Here is a direct quote from her sweet lips to our unworthy ears:


From this interview: http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5291

Mylene and friends wanted to keep racheting up the sexy... although how you get anymore sexy than what they had already done is beyond me, and apparently, was beyond Alizée also!!!

Ohhh... I do know that I am smart. It’s the people around me who don’t seem to notice :confused:

Merci beaucoup for this quote!
It’s from an interesting interview as well.
I was aware of a few comments that Alizée made about the breakup, but I didn’t know about this specific quote.

To follow up on this and what some other posters have said:

I am still convinced that Alizée/MF/LB could have continued to milk this operation for years and years if they all agreed to go in the same direction. But after MCE, I think MF/LB not only wanted to infuse more graphic sex in Alizée’s act, but also some of the MF/LB imagery. Evidently, MF/LB knew from the start that the Lolita image would be just a phase. I’ll even venture to say that MF/LB created MCE so to smooth out the transition between the Lolita image and a more typical MF libertine image that was to be introduced in the third album. If Alizée would have continued to collaborate with MF/LB, I think that by the fourth album she basically would have been a clone of MF, not so much in looks, but in the fundamental nature of the act.

Now, I think I can safely say this is all speculation on my part :)

[User22]

I am still convinced that Alizée/MF/LB could have continued to milk this operation for years and years if they all agreed to go in the same direction. But after MCE, I think MF/LB not only wanted to infuse more graphic sex in Alizée’s act, but also some of the MF/LB imagery. Evidently, MF/LB knew from the start that the Lolita image would be just a phase. I’ll even venture to say that MF/LB created MCE so to smooth out the transition between the Lolita image and a more typical MF libertine image that was to be introduced in the third album. If Alizée would have continued to collaborate with MF/LB, I think that by the fourth album she basically would have been a clone of MF, not so much in looks, but in the fundamental nature of the act.)

I have never seen it said/viewed this way before...thanks for opening my eyes :)

[Corsaire]

I have never seen it said/viewed this way before...thanks for opening my eyes :)

Sure... as long as you keep in mind that I could be completely wrong about this.

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But I'm not!:D

[BrianO1]

MF was trying to raise an army of giant robot lobsters, that would aid her in total world domination. Now, these robolobsters were powered by Lili's sexiness. Lili found out about this evil plot, so she had to leave the partnership, in order to SAVE THE WORLD!


Hey...just another idea...

[DrSmith]

Well that's a stupid idea because Mylène is omnipotent. She doesn't need any poxy robots, she can dominate the world through sheer will.

[Corsaire]

Well that's a stupid idea because Mylène is omnipotent. She doesn't need any poxy robots, she can dominate the world through sheer will.

Sure, just keep living in denial. Here is Mylène with "Alizée" just before the latter decided she had enough of the crazy stuff. "Alizée" does look kind of weird with red hair.


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[Deepwaters]

I find it funny that people moan and whine about not getting enough updates or fan interaction from Alizee, when her main tutor, Mylene, gives absolutely nothing of herself except what you see in her performances.

That's a lesson Alizée needed NOT to take away from her mentor. Alizée is not Mylène. Part of Mylène's success is her mystery and mystique. She can get away with that sort of thing. Alizée, whose success comes in large part from being more accessible, more herself, more the kind of person one can like and love, cannot.

[Un-rêve]

Sure, there was a portion of her audience that was like that, but for the most part her fans were into the whole package.

How true! It's everything about her that has captured our hearts..

I've always been a sucker for Alizée's cuteness along with her sweetness, sexiness and charm. Well it was definitely that along with her elegance and exuberance on stage and whole demeanour in general that made her so captivating and irresistible to me and many others I believe. She's a very likable person but the first thing that hits you is how beautiful and petite she is. :wub: She has the most beautiful eyes and smile that I've ever seen and apart from her physical aspects there's also something very special and very beautiful within her.. she shines and it's a wonderful part of her charm for sure. :wub: :wub: :wub:

Honestly, I think "panties" is being a little unfair to the French public and Alizée's old fans. It implies that there was nothing to her success beyond sex appeal. I think that's absurd.

Yeah I can't say I like their stupid remarks about wanting to see Alizée's "panties" at all! Damn.. they have no idea what they're talking about! We didn't wanna see her "panties" we wanted to eat them! :D

[Topaz]

Speaking of Mylène, this is to be released in Feb in the States.

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‘‘Ben Harper was awesome. He and Mylene Farmer produced a killerversion of Never Tear Us Apart."

‘‘Mylene has a reputation for baring all so, yeah, we were keen to work with her. "

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[DrSmith]

February? :confused: I'm pretty sure Original Sin was already released. You can get it online anyway.

BTW, Loane is also featured on that album singing Mysify. I love it. :wub:

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[Topaz]

True if you want to pay import prices. For those who do not, it will be released Feb. 22, "in the States". :)

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[DrSmith]

I assumed it was already available "in the States", but you were right. Never mind me. :o

[Azhiri]

I think if the sexuality had escalated as a result of further collaberation with MF/LB interest in Alizée would have died, especially if she became a "clone" of Mylene Farmer. For one thing, I think Mylene has dominated that image and that we don't need another one. I also think part of Alizée's appeal was that she was so squeaky-clean yet so "sexy", it was a very charming blend of traits. To take it to another, more explicit level would have killed her uniqueness.

Mylene may or may not have realized this.

I still think it would be interesting to see if Alizée could reach a compromise with the two and come out with another pop album, but she'd have full creative control and they'd just be there to make it happen. We'd have the magical sound of Laurent's music (I always thought he was the most fantastic composer), Mylene's songwriting skills, and Alizée's personality in one album - irrésistible!

[Corsaire]

I think if the sexuality had escalated as a result of further collaberation with MF/LB interest in Alizée would have died, especially if she became a "clone" of Mylene Farmer. For one thing, I think Mylene has dominated that image and that we don't need another one. I also think part of Alizée's appeal was that she was so squeaky-clean yet so "sexy", it was a very charming blend of traits. To take it to another, more explicit level would have killed her uniqueness.



I do agree that some of Alizée’s appeal did rely on the fact that she was both “sexy” and “squeaky-clean”, but this was the young Alizée. Myself, I am not convinced that infusing more graphic sex and more MF/LB libertine imagery in Alizée’s act would have hurt her popularity. She would have lost lots of old fans, but she would certainly have gained lots of new fans as well.

In pop music, the singer that is introduced as “clean” and then turns into a “sexier”, “dirtier” or “darker” singer is really quite common. Some singers have managed this transformation pretty well and I don’t see why it would have been impossible for Alizée to successfully transform that way.

Maybe it is difficult to believe that a sexier more libertine Alizée would have worked because most people who still like her today are obviously not after that kind of image, but I am really convinced that she would be selling millions of records today if she did become the new MF, and again, not so much in looks, but in the fundamental nature of the act. Also, I do not think the MF niche was or is saturated.

[RobandSandy]

MF was trying to raise an army of giant robot lobsters, that would aid her in total world domination. Now, these robolobsters were powered by Lili's sexiness. Lili found out about this evil plot, so she had to leave the partnership, in order to SAVE THE WORLD!


Hey...just another idea...

Sounds fairly sound!!!!!! Those Lillylobsters would have not stopped until they achieved total world domination and then we would all be forced to speak LillyFu!!!!!!

[severianb]

Maybe it is difficult to believe that a sexier more libertine Alizée would have worked because most people who still like her today are obviously not after that kind of image, but I am really convinced that she would be selling millions of records today if she did become the new MF, and again, not so much in looks, but in the fundamental nature of the act. Also, I do not think the MF niche was or is saturated.

The thing is, that's just not Alizée. That isn't the type of music or image she likes or wants anymore. It would have been a huge act, a lot of work, and her heart would not have been in it. Add the fact that she is raising a famiily.....

Now, it works for Mylene because her work IS her life, and that image and type of music IS her. The fact she transposed a younger version of herself onto young girl name Alizée for a couple of albums is great, it worked out for everyone. When Lilly became a woman, a woman nothing like Mylene... there was no longer a point to it.

[Bigdan]

...In pop music, the singer that is introduced as “clean” and then turns into a “sexier”, “dirtier” or “darker” singer is really quite common. Some singers have managed this transformation pretty well and I don’t see why it would have been impossible for Alizée to successfully transform that way.


As I said before, the problem is that this evolution was really hard to do for her, cause she already began in the " sexy" class, more or less with her consent...
"Clean" singers grown-up , and become sexier in a rebellion act.
The rebellion act of Alizée was to escape from Mylène influence, and to weaken the sexy image for a more artistic image...

[Corsaire]

I think there might be some confusion here. All I am saying is that regardless of what Alizée chose to become, if she had wanted to become a sexier more libertine act, she could easily have done it successfully. The transition from the early ambivalent Alizée (a clean shy and reserved adolescent girl singing a sexually charged song like Moi...Lolita) to a more MF/LB oriented act would have been quite natural and the masses (but not necessarily her early fans) would have gone for it. After MCE, Alizée gradually showing more skin in videos exploiting sex, violence, gender confusion, religious matters, death... would have been a very popular act, I am convinced about that.

Was this the long term plan MF/LB had for Alizée? Speculation on my part, but I do think so. Is this what Alizée ran away from? Circumstantial evidence and the quote that severianb provided seem to indicate that it is. Do I regret that Alizée made that career change? Nope.

[severianb]

Was this the long term plan MF/LB had for Alizée? Speculation on my part, but I do think so. Is this what Alizée ran away from? Circumstantial evidence and the quote that severianb provided seem to indicate that it is. Do I regret that Alizée made that career change? Nope.

The amount of people who DO regret it are high. The number of people on this board who wish she was back doing the MF/LB thang is easily 50 percent. I've also noticed an age skew to those numbers. The MF/LB stuff was aimed at younger fans, for the most part, and many of the young fans on this board express disdain for her new work, and praise of her old work. That's not a hard and fast rule, but it's been my observation that older fans in general seem more accepting of her recent work.

[Corsaire]

The amount of people who DO regret it are high. The number of people on this board who wish she was back doing the MF/LB thang is easily 50 percent. I've also noticed an age skew to those numbers. The MF/LB stuff was aimed at younger fans, for the most part, and many of the young fans on this board express disdain for her new work, and praise of her old work. That's not a hard and fast rule, but it's been my observation that older fans in general seem more accepting of her recent work.

In my mind, there was no continuation of the Alizée/MF/LB in the way many people here conceive it. I don’t believe that what MF/LB had in mind for Alizée was more MCE. I think it was the end of this and the beginning of a sexier more libertine image for Alizée as far as MF/LB were concerned. So, in that sense, I prefer that she moved to other things.

[Deepwaters]

There may be many people who wish Alizée had remained with MF/LB and continued doing the same things, but that's along the lines of wishing time to stand still. It's not even remotely realistic. It amounts to a big "WAAAAAHH" without sense or intelligence.

If the team had stayed together, they would have done something different, and those people would still be whining. There's no way that she could have continued to do what she was doing before no matter who she was working with. Girls grow up and become women. That's life.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

If Alizee stuck with Mylene hmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkinmJtG2c

Regards,

Jung

[Azhiri]

The "sexier, more libertine" Alizee WOULD have been very successful - but not for long. She really wouldn't be Alizee anymore (though you could argue that she was never "truly Alizee" from the beginning, but you know what I mean). She just doesn't seem to have the type of personality to be able to pull such an image off, or even want to. Not only that, but that image is so commonly done in today's music industry that I feel like she'd kinda fizzle out after a while the way most stars these days do. I'd personally like to see her keep making music and have a long, ongoing career, but that may very well not be what she wants.

However, when I think about the possibilities on the other side of the spectrum, her former popularity and Mylene's popularity would most likely be enough to keep her afloat. And besides, the music industry is a cycle; young girl grows to be highly successful, has a good run, gets older, public loses interest, cue the next young girl. Who's to say that wouldn't happen to her anyways, no matter what image she tried?

If the team had stayed together, they would have done something different, and those people would still be whining. There's no way that she could have continued to do what she was doing before no matter who she was working with. Girls grow up and become women. That's life.

I agree. She couldn't have kept up the Lolita business, but I think the image she had in MCE could have carried on for a while with variations here and there and still be successful. It wasn't childish, but not quite "serious mature adult", either. It's not impossible to keep a clean image (with some more mature songs thrown in of course because that's life) for many years.

[Corsaire]

If Alizee stuck with Mylene hmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkinmJtG2c

Regards,

Jung

Hmmm...

Lisa is MF’s real-life niece for those who don’t know.
And cute innocent lyrics as well.

"elle… N'est pas du genre à se pendre"
"... she... is not the type to hang herself"

[RobandSandy]

If Alizee stuck with Mylene hmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkinmJtG2c

Regards,

Jung

Some things make us all go Hmmm. I could not see Alizée doing that. Yes this Lisa, Mylenes niece is really a cute girl, and the lyrics probably good. But Alizée had to move forward in her music career, and she knew it. Rumour has it there may be a reunion, how plausible or true I dont know, however, if so being I surely hope Mylene comes up with something quite a lot better than this.

[DrSmith]

Alizée would not be making music marketed to children if she stayed with Mylène. Lisa did because she was a child. :rolleyes:

[RobandSandy]

Whew!! Im so relieved!!!

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Alizée would not be making music marketed to children if she stayed with Mylène. Lisa did because she was a child. :rolleyes:

Lets just say it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

[DrSmith]

Lets just say it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

The song was written in 2008. The show Growing Up Creepie wasn't even created until 2006, long after Alizée split from Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat. You're talking out of your arse.

[Azhiri]

Lets just say it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

Where'd you hear that? I thought it was for that one little kid's show.

[user472884]

Lets just say it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

don't tell me.....

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1099479/Justin-Bieber1_medium.jpg?112d666e

[Chuck]

AAAAAAAHHHHH! I've got the Bieber fever! Somebody shoot me!

[DrSmith]

AAAAAAAHHHHH! I've got the Bieber fever! Somebody shoot me!

<div style="background:#fd7ca5;width:540px;height:334px"><embed flashVars="playerVars=showStats=yes|autoPlay=no|videoTitle=Th e Angry Beavers - Beaver Fever Music Video" src="http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/5810496/the_angry_beavers_beaver_fever_music_video.swf" width="540" height="334" wmode="transparent" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" name="Metacafe_5810496" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed></div>

[BrianO1]

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THANK YOU.

I cant tell you how many times I have thought of this, and even sang this, when people say "Bieber Fever" and NO ONE knows what Im talking about.

[severianb]

"Beaver Fever" I jeez. I lost it. Thanks for that.

Alizee should do a cover.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

The song was written in 2008. The show Growing Up Creepie wasn't even created until 2006, long after Alizée split from Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat. You're talking out of your arse.

It was written before 2008, and the fact is it wasn't written for Lisa. You can take that however you want.

Where'd you hear that? I thought it was for that one little kid's show.

Not saying it wasn't written for the show, I'm saying it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

[user472884]

Vague post is vague.

Regards,

Jalen

[French Fan]

I just saw the video...
Hmmm Ok what I would like to say is this was a poor video from a poor tv show. I agree UEDS is not her best album of all times but I think it's kinda easy to judge Alizée's career on poor sales for this album...
Noone in France have forgotten Alizée. Easy to notice when she appears in a TV show that the audience is always happy to see her. I think it's just a lack of marketing.
Indeed Mylène was a good businesswoman and everything was thought from the outfits to the videoclips...
But on the other hand Alizée clearly wants to leave this Lolita image Mylène created for her.

[DrSmith]

It was written before 2008, and the fact is it wasn't written for Lisa. You can take that however you want.



Not saying it wasn't written for the show, I'm saying it wasn't written for Lisa.

Regards,

Jung

Why don't you explain exactly what you mean, and give a source for your information.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Why don't you explain exactly what you mean, and give a source for your information.

And why don't you use proper punctuation? I'll explain what I want to explain, but for now as I said it simply wasn't written for Lisa. As for why i don't give a source. Well quite frankly you will not recognize any of the names, so it's pointless to tell you, and I don't think they want people looking into who they are to be bothered by fans.

Regards,

Jung

[DrSmith]

And why don't you use proper punctuation? I'll explain what I want to explain, but for now as I said it simply wasn't written for Lisa. As for why i don't give a source. Well quite frankly you will not recognize any of the names, so it's pointless to tell you, and I don't think they want people looking into who they are to be bothered by fans.

Regards,

Jung

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/h2/h11338.jpg

[Azhiri]

Isn't it a bit unnecessary to point out that the song wasn't written for Lisa and thereby imply that perhaps that WAS what they intended to do with Alizee (as absurd as it may seem), which would indeed be an interesting bit of information, if you aren't going to expand on it and at least give your reasons for doing so?

I'm just saying, it comes off as a little patronizing.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

(as absurd as it may seem)

Absurd? Maybe. True? Maybe so maybe not. You can draw your own conclusions from what I have already said from the start of what I've said in this thread. Either way I'm sorry for stating a little fact so I can later be called a Troll yet again.

Regards,

Jung

[user472884]

Or you can stop being a royal dick and just share the information you know with the other members of this forum who quite obviously would like to know, instead of acting like some annoyed genius amongst us idiots who in your mind lack the ability to understand something so elementary.

Regards,

Jalen

[Rev]

Or you can stop being a royal dick and just share the information you know with the other members of this forum who quite obviously would like to know, instead of acting like some annoyed genius amongst us idiots who in your mind lack the ability to understand something so elementary.

Regards,

Jalen


Yeah. What he said. :mad:

[Deepwaters]

And I'll add this, as I've done in the past. If you have inside information, there are two courses of action in regard to sharing that information that are honorable.

1) Share the information fully, including sources.
2) Don't share the information at all, as it would violate privacy.

When you present something as inside information without also presenting a source for it, you are, on the other hand, doing one of two things, neither of which is honorable. You may be:

1) Lying in order to make yourself look cooler than you really are, or
2) Sharing information that you have no business sharing because it violates privacy.

I don't know which of those Jung is doing here (although I quite strongly suspect #1). I don't care, either.

[user472884]

I don't know which of those Jung is doing here (although I quite strongly suspect #1). I don't care, either.

+1
Still my guitar, gently weeeeeeps

[AlizéeInspired]

The number of people on this board who wish she was back doing the MF/LB thang is easily 50 percent.

Has there been a recent poll on this? I couldn't seem to find one if someone would like to double check. If there's not, we should do one. I'd be interested in seeing how it would turn out.

[severianb]

Has there been a recent poll on this? I couldn't seem to find one if someone would like to double check. If there's not, we should do one. I'd be interested in seeing how it would turn out.

I think it would depend how it was worded. In any case, it's pointless, they won't.

[Joey_adore_Jung]

And I'll add this, as I've done in the past. If you have inside information, there are two courses of action in regard to sharing that information that are honorable.

1) Share the information fully, including sources.
2) Don't share the information at all, as it would violate privacy.

When you present something as inside information without also presenting a source for it, you are, on the other hand, doing one of two things, neither of which is honorable. You may be:

1) Lying in order to make yourself look cooler than you really are, or
2) Sharing information that you have no business sharing because it violates privacy.

I don't know which of those Jung is doing here (although I quite strongly suspect #1). I don't care, either.
I have to admit he seems almost unbelievably cool. Operative word being almost

[RobandSandy]

Amen Rob...

Edit:



One thing MF and LB didn't teach Alizee is how to mail things, thats for sure...

And out of the mouth of the very same roomate who called her that French slut last August....." I respect her, she is not just another pop slut selling her body who has no talent, and she is not going to give in to that either, she is a true artist, and I respect her for that." And now he thinks she is good. WOW what a change of heart that was. When he called her a slut last summer I just wanted to bitch slap him a few times! :D:D:D:D

[Euphoria]

Pretty sure Alizee has completely burned her bridges with MF and LB, I don't ever see a collaboration happening with them again. I'm not sure if Alizee can pick herself back up ever again. She has let her fame from MF carry her all these years, doing albums "for herself" and not really focusing on making a career of her own. If she wants to be famous and sell albums, she really needs a big overhaul on her whole image. She needs to take a few tips from her friend Jenifer, shes pretty popular. I know the whole DIVA image isn't Alizee's thing, but she needs to go more in that direction.

[user472884]

You need to respect her life and her decisions.

[severianb]

It pains me to say this, (because of the general mean attitude of recent posts) but I agree with Euphoria on one thing. The most surefire way to get back to being popular is follow somone like Jenifer's lead. I'm not saying it's the only way, and I personally would just want her to make good music.

[RobandSandy]

I am still a very new fan to Alizée and ANY French Pop, was into hard rock and metal till Apr 25, 2010 still am. But could someone please fill me in on who Jennifer is? And why it would be a good idea for Alizée to follow her? Just wondering. I personally feel that what Alizée should follow is the leading of her own heart, that is where true artists create true art and music. No where else. When the Kent State Massacre occurred in Kent Ohio Neil Young went into the woods and did not come out until he had written Ohio. Neil Young, one of rocks legends, who never FOLLOWED anyone only his own heart. That is what I want to see, Alizée getting some queit time to listen to her own heart, if she can her next album is sure to be one to go down in history amongst the legends. You see call me old fashioned, but, I come from a place and time when true musicians DID NOT SELL OUT.

[lefty12357]

Jenifer is a singer from Corse and has been known to be a friend of Alizée's. She has had a fairly successful singing career in France.

[Rev]

I am still a very new fan to Alizée and ANY French Pop, was into hard rock and metal till Apr 25, 2010 still am. But could someone please fill me in on who Jennifer is? ....


Jenifer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHNICz3Cmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7AKIOEab8E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNu431Xss8

[severianb]

When the Kent State Massacre occurred in Kent Ohio Neil Young went into the woods and did not come out until he had written Ohio. Neil Young, one of rocks legends, who never FOLLOWED anyone only his own heart. That is what I want to see, Alizée getting some queit time to listen to her own heart, if she can her next album is sure to be one to go down in history amongst the legends. You see call me old fashioned, but, I come from a place and time when true musicians DID NOT SELL OUT.

That was beautiful. Preach on, brother! :cool:

And Lilly loves that deep stuff. She covers Simon and Garfunkel. No shallow bimbo is she.

[RobandSandy]

Thanks lefty and Rev for that. Jennifer is really good. She has her own style. And she is good. When everyone elses style runs out Alizée still has some to spare. That they are friends is good. That they may inspire one another is also a good thing. Madonna and Mylene Farmer inspired one another for years. They each had thier own style, however. All the ones who came along to try to be Madonna I dont care for, they copied someone elses style due to the fact that they had no style of thier own. I wont have to mention names there. Madonna's style won her immortalization in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So did Neil Young's. Pink Floyd, always true to thier STYLE. In the Rock Hall. Alizée has more style than anyone Ive ever seen. She does not need to follow someone elses style. She has style to spare. And severianb Lilly is deep. She adds mention of Lou Reed, tributes the Hippie generation in 5060, and writes a story about a Dylan groupie named Edie Sedgwick, covers France Gall covers Madonna.......That is what I want to see.That deep intuition that girl has, it is endued by her Creator. If she follows that, and not anothers STYLE Alizée is destined to become a pop music legend...nuff said but Madonna said this....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVxeLgft5c.....basically so many tried to be she, no one else could BE her...and Alizée cannot copy or follow anyone else.

[Rev]

Only problem is that Alizée does not write her own songs so she is at the mercy of others. Until she gets this piece under control it will never be 100% HER style.

[RobandSandy]

Yes it is, I would imagine that Alizée has had some input on the songs that have been produced for her though. And if we have not witnessed 100% of her style yet, just imagine if we ever do. She has so much style that when everyone else runs out of style, she has some stashed away somewhere! :D:D Gotta go work now. See y'all later. Alizée always!!

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

In a sense you are correct, as she does get to pick who writes the music and lyrics. A list that is sadly shrinking however.

Regards,

Jung

[Scruffydog777]

Jenifer is a singer from Corse and has been known to be a friend of Alizée's. She has had a fairly successful singing career in France.

Here is a video where Lily played a joke on Jenifer, calling a tv show that Jen was on and pretending to be just another fan, that kind of shows along with what went on in the ensuing conversation, that the two of them must have been good friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUh9DSSE6M&feature=player_embedded#

[Euphoria]

Thanks lefty and Rev for that. Jennifer is really good. She has her own style. And she is good. When everyone elses style runs out Alizée still has some to spare. That they are friends is good. That they may inspire one another is also a good thing. Madonna and Mylene Farmer inspired one another for years. They each had thier own style, however. All the ones who came along to try to be Madonna I dont care for, they copied someone elses style due to the fact that they had no style of thier own. I wont have to mention names there. Madonna's style won her immortalization in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So did Neil Young's. Pink Floyd, always true to thier STYLE. In the Rock Hall. Alizée has more style than anyone Ive ever seen. She does not need to follow someone elses style. She has style to spare. And severianb Lilly is deep. She adds mention of Lou Reed, tributes the Hippie generation in 5060, and writes a story about a Dylan groupie named Edie Sedgwick, covers France Gall covers Madonna.......That is what I want to see.That deep intuition that girl has, it is endued by her Creator. If she follows that, and not anothers STYLE Alizée is destined to become a pop music legend...nuff said but Madonna said this....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVxeLgft5c.....basically so many tried to be she, no one else could BE her...and Alizée cannot copy or follow anyone else.

Except she doesn't have her own style, all of her songs have been written for her. It doesn't matter who you choose to write your songs for you, you're still under a certain influence by those you choose to work with. Mylene told her to act a certain way, as I'm sure Jeremy and Chateau Marmont, etc did.

[RobandSandy]

And Madonna had all of her songs written for her as well, so exactly what is your point? Madonna added her own style to all of her music. When I speak of style I am not speaking of composition or lyrics. It is Alizées charisma, charm, smile, the way she carries herslf with confidence, point blank, her talent, and I know we may not go back, but do u suppose if MF/LB had chosen another to perform Gourm and MCE could anyone have done it better, or had as much success? I dont know your age dude, but I am a bit older,seen a lot, was there when Madonna performed on MTV the first time, I knew that I had just witnessed the beginning of the career of a music legend then. When u mention that name who else is included in that class of legends? MJ, Elvis, Frank Sinatra??? When I saw Alizée at the very first, the very first video I saw, I knew then that I had just witnessed greatness legends are made of the second time in my life. Whoever composes and writes her next album I would imagine she has some say in. And it will probably have to meet with her approval, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses, hers. And whatever direction that may take, Alizée will add her talent and style to it, no one else. And when she does I shall witness greatness of the variety that legends are made of once again. U see, the first video I saw Alizée perform was La Isla Bonita, the only reason I ever found her was that I was browsing Madonna videos. Other than that I never would have known of her. And when I saw this cute, young, charming, French girl out perform Madonna with one of Madonnas hits???? I was blown away, still am, always will be. Something like that just doesnt happen by accident. Madonna was my favorite female performer until Alizée came along. I never thought in a million years I would have said that and I just did. Madonna is now my 2nd fave behind Alizée. Alizée will find her own way, and I shall be watching in anticipation of her every move.

[pepelepew]

And Madonna had all of her songs written for her as well, so exactly what is your point? Madonna added her own style to all of her music. When I speak of style I am not speaking of composition or lyrics. It is Alizées charisma, charm, smile, the way she carries herslf with confidence, point blank, her talent, and I know we may not go back, but do u suppose if MF/LB had chosen another to perform Gourm and MCE could anyone have done it better, or had as much success? I dont know your age dude, but I am a bit older,seen a lot, was there when Madonna performed on MTV the first time, I knew that I had just witnessed the beginning of the career of a music legend then. When u mention that name who else is included in that class of legends? MJ, Elvis, Frank Sinatra??? When I saw Alizée at the very first, the very first video I saw, I knew then that I had just witnessed greatness legends are made of the second time in my life. Whoever composes and writes her next album I would imagine she has some say in. And it will probably have to meet with her approval, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses, hers. And whatever direction that may take, Alizée will add her talent and style to it, no one else. And when she does I shall witness greatness of the variety that legends are made of once again. U see, the first video I saw Alizée perform was La Isla Bonita, the only reason I ever found her was that I was browsing Madonna videos. Other than that I never would have known of her. And when I saw this cute, young, charming, French girl out perform Madonna with one of Madonnas hits???? I was blown away, still am, always will be. Something like that just doesnt happen by accident. Madonna was my favorite female performer until Alizée came along. I never thought in a million years I would have said that and I just did. Madonna is now my 2nd fave behind Alizée. Alizée will find her own way, and I shall be watching in anticipation of her every move.Yeah many of the best artists never wrote their own music. Great point. I'm also voting you the best Alizee water carrier in a long time. She needs to hire you as her promoter if she knows what is good for her.:)

[RobandSandy]

Yeah many of the best artists never wrote their own music. Great point. I'm also voting you the best Alizee water carrier in a long time. She needs to hire you as her promoter if she knows what is good for her.:)

Man, if I heard from somewhere across the global Alizée networks that she even just wanted me as a stage hand, me and Sandy would pack up, take her cats and go!

[Euphoria]

If Alizee is so popular and her album was so amazing, why didn't it sell better? Just because you watched a few good videos from 10 years ago, doesn't mean that she is on the same level now. Unfortunately, her career seems to be slipping instead of getting bigger and better over time. Sorry, but I've just never seen Alizee as an artist, shes a performer.

Edit:

When I saw Alizée at the very first, the very first video I saw, I knew then that I had just witnessed greatness legends are made of the second time in my life.

So you basically got a boner for a cute, sexy French singer. I don't see the big deal here.

[severianb]

Sorry, but I've just never seen Alizee as an artist, shes a performer.

I've always thought singers were the definition of an artist....let's look in the dictionary, shall we?
Artist:
a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.


So you basically got a boner for a cute, sexy French singer. I don't see the big deal here.

You may not agree with Rob. You may not even respect Rob. However, being rude to another forum member is bad. Let's try and be nice to each other, even if we disagree.

[Azhiri]

If Alizee is so popular and her album was so amazing, why didn't it sell better? Just because you watched a few good videos from 10 years ago, doesn't mean that she is on the same level now. Unfortunately, her career seems to be slipping instead of getting bigger and better over time. Sorry, but I've just never seen Alizee as an artist, shes a performer.

Lack of promotion. I firmly believe that her album could have at least gotten big with the more artistic population in France had it been promoted and hyped like her previous albums.

I have to agree with you that she is less of an artist and more of a performer. As far as I know she has had little to do with songwriting and chooses only the themes of her albums; the rest appears to be done for her, and she performs them.

So you basically got a boner for a cute, sexy French singer. I don't see the big deal here.

Now, now, children. Let's all try to get along.

[Deepwaters]

If Alizee is so popular and her album was so amazing, why didn't it sell better?

To start with, because how good an album is, and how well it sells, are two virtually unrelated subjects. H.L. Mencken once famously stated that nobody ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American people. One may extend the same observation to the population of other countries as well, and substitute "taste" for "intelligence" without losing relevance.

It's entirely possible for something to be a great work of art and sell miserably. In fact, that's generally the way it is with most great works of art. Don't get me wrong, I wish the album had been more of a success, and in order to keep going Alizée needs to do better commercially; however, the lack of commercial success of UEDS says NOTHING about the quality of the album itself.


So you basically got a boner for a cute, sexy French singer. I don't see the big deal here.


Obviously not. But that says more about your own lack of perception than it does about anything else.

[RobandSandy]

Lack of promotion. I firmly believe that her album could have at least gotten big with the more artistic population in France had it been promoted and hyped like her previous albums.

I have to agree with you that she is less of an artist and more of a performer. As far as I know she has had little to do with songwriting and chooses only the themes of her albums; the rest appears to be done for her, and she performs them.



Now, now, children. Let's all try to get along.

Yes, lack of promotion is the CORRECT answer. And euphoria whoever you are, I do feel Alizée is sexually attractive as do most normal hot blooded males, however, if it were a pop slut I was after, there are a lot slutier American pop sluts. So your comment about me getting a boner for Zee was unwelcome and uncalled for and Sandy also comes here, so watch what the phoque you say to me, UNDERSTAND!!! First warning. Alizée is the best performer I have ever seen. And if her promoters would have had thier shit together the album would have achieved much greater commercial sucess, and euphoria get your head out of the gutter and grow the phoque up!

Edit:

[QUOTE=severianb;198559]I've always thought singers were the definition of an artist....let's look in the dictionary, shall we?
Artist:
a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.



You may not agree with Rob. You may not even respect Rob. However, being rude to another forum member is bad. Let's try and be nice to each other, even if we disagree.[/QUOTE I will attempt to be as nice as possible about this dude. I do not tolerate this type of behavior on the forum.

[Euphoria]

Yes, lack of promotion is the CORRECT answer. And euphoria whoever you are, I do feel Alizée is sexually attractive as do most normal hot blooded males, however, if it were a pop slut I was after, there are a lot slutier American pop sluts. So your comment about me getting a boner for Zee was unwelcome and uncalled for and Sandy also comes here, so watch what the phoque you say to me, UNDERSTAND!!! First warning. Alizée is the best performer I have ever seen. And if her promoters would have had thier shit together the album would have achieved much greater commercial sucess, and euphoria get your head out of the gutter and grow the phoque up!

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[QUOTE=severianb;198559]I've always thought singers were the definition of an artist....let's look in the dictionary, shall we?
Artist:
a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.



You may not agree with Rob. You may not even respect Rob. However, being rude to another forum member is bad. Let's try and be nice to each other, even if we disagree.[/QUOTE I will attempt to be as nice as possible about this dude. I do not tolerate this type of behavior on the forum.

You should learn how to quote. And by the way, this "dude" is a female. ;)

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Obviously not. But that says more about your own lack of perception than it does about anything else.

Really? Because most of France considers Alizee to be a has-been, probably why the only thing she does is Les Enfoires. Sorry, but Alizee is no breakthrough artist, nor will she ever be a legend.

Its a shame too, but its really her own fault.

[Azhiri]

And by the way, this "dude" is a female. ;)

Okay.

Its a shame too, but its really her own fault.

Not really.

[Euphoria]

To start with, because how good an album is, and how well it sells, are two virtually unrelated subjects. H.L. Mencken once famously stated that nobody ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American people. One may extend the same observation to the population of other countries as well, and substitute "taste" for "intelligence" without losing relevance.

It's entirely possible for something to be a great work of art and sell miserably. In fact, that's generally the way it is with most great works of art. Don't get me wrong, I wish the album had been more of a success, and in order to keep going Alizée needs to do better commercially; however, the lack of commercial success of UEDS says NOTHING about the quality of the album itself.



Obviously not. But that says more about your own lack of perception than it does about anything else.

The album was rather dreary minus a few songs. It was good sure, but it was no masterpiece. It also had next to no promotion, what do you expect to happen? And yes, its almost entirely her fault if an album fails. Like you said, its HER judgement calls on who is writing her music and promoting it. She needs to stop targeting such a little audience and look at the big picture.

[Mon Maquis]

The album was rather dreary minus a few songs. It was good sure, but it was no masterpiece. It also had next to no promotion, what do you expect to happen? And yes, its almost entirely her fault if an album fails. Like you said, its HER judgement calls on who is writing her music and promoting it. She needs to stop targeting such a little audience and look at the big picture.

Well as you all have seen, Alizee does what she wants. We can talk Alizee should do this or that, but in the end...its Alizee's choice.

I just glad we get to see her once a year for Les Enfoires. If we did not have that, we would not get to see her much.

Euphoria, is that an Alizee pic for your avatar? It kind of looks like her.

[Azhiri]

I say it isn't her fault because she's had little experience in the real world on her own. She had Mylene to guide her and make decisions, and she doesn't know how to manage a career herself. To make it in the music industry you need either a very marketing-savvy team, or a lot of experience, neither of which she has.

I suppose you could say she was naive, but she's still very young. You can expect that.

[Mon Maquis]

To make it in the music industry you need either a very marketing-savvy team, or a lot of experience, neither of which she has.


You can say that again...

Its sad, because some French singers do a very marketing-savvy team. Sucks that Alizee does not.

[Euphoria]

Well as you all have seen, Alizee does what she wants. We can talk Alizee should do this or that, but in the end...its Alizee's choice.

I just glad we get to see her once a year for Les Enfoires. If we did not have that, we would not get to see her much.

Euphoria, is that an Alizee pic for your avatar? It kind of looks like her.

That is true, MM. She will do what she wants, hopefully she can get the ball rolling on her career again.

And no, the avatar is me. :)

[Mon Maquis]

And no, the avatar is me. :)

WoW....

I always keep trying to respond to Jalen posts, but his posts always keep getting deleted.

[Merci Alizée]

WoW....

I always keep trying to respond to Jalen posts, but his posts always keep getting deleted.

eh, using the word "always" for what happens rarely?

Anyways just felt that it's better not to start any other discussion when we such a intense discussion about Alizée is going on. That's all.

[Karlalizee]

this is just me talking, but i think her career is done.

[Euphoria]

Her career as a singer, maybe. But, she still takes amazing photos. I've always thought she'd be great for modeling. Since shes rather short, I don't think we'd be seeing her on the runway. For beauty shots and commercials though, she'd do amazing.

[Scruffydog777]

this is just me talking, but i think her career is done.

Well it's definitely in trouble. As I said before, she left so much behind when she and MF and LB seperated and it wasn't just the fact the Mylene and Laurent had so much talent, I think what was more important was they were a perfect fit for one another. LB's music went so well with her voice, but a big part of the reason for that was the lyrics written by MF. These 3 were a perfect fit for one another.

For her to have success in the future, the main thing she needs is a good manager. Something she hasn't had since the 3 seperated. I think that is truely the key. Someone who will know that if she starts working with a certain band, musician, song writer whatever, hey, that this is a good mix.
Someone who once she puts some songs together, will be able to listen to them and say, this one's no good, scrap it, or this one has potential, but it needs tweaking. She has absolutely no one who can do that right now.

[Bigdan]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9863/20110130dsc3028.jpg

I know the " sexyness item" had already been discuss, but this new pics just bring another evidence to the matter.
When a Rihanna have to tour all the streap clubs of Las vegas to find her new provocative outfits, in order to create some sexy buzz around her, Lily has just to wear a simple black dress to be awesome.

With such a potentiel, avoiding ridiculous, ghastly outfits is enough for her to be sexy. So ... pleeaaaaaase, Lily, all you have to do is wearing feminine clothes in all your appearances !!
And the charm will operate ....

[Merci Alizée]

this is just me talking, but i think her career is done.

Depends totally on her. I don't think her career is over. Things haven't been going great that's for sure, but that's what happens to all of us. In such situation first thing is willingness to survive. When time is not good and you don't want to change the situation, then no one else can do anything. Same goes for her also.

After willingness, next thing is your hard work, mental toughness and talent. She certainly got the last one and I believe she is mentally tough too. So, only thing left for her is hard work. She is only 26 and it may happen in her current situation that her hard work may yield very little result. But she needs to be strong and not loose her faith in herself. She started career at young age and she has got lot of time. Say even if tries and goes along with moderate success for next 5 years or so, even then she will be only in thirties and will have lot left with her. But if she doesn't try then it can be over anytime. I'm saying this for her not because she is Alizée, rather because I believe so for every person. People get success even with limited talent and lot of hard work. I have seen it in my real life with people around me. Only difference is that things may change slowly for them.

I hope that her tough time passes for her. I hope that all of us will continue to support her even through these days. :)

[Scruffydog777]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9863/20110130dsc3028.jpg

I know the " sexyness item" had already been discuss, but this new pics just bring another evidence to the matter.
When a Rihanna have to tour all the streap clubs of Las vegas to find her new provocative outfits, in order to create some sexy buzz around her, Lily has just to wear a simple black dress to be awesome.

With such a potentiel, avoiding ridiculous, ghastly outfits is enough for her to be sexy. So ... pleeaaaaaase, Lily, all you have to do is wearing feminine clothes in all your appearances !!
And the charm will operate ....

Despite the tatoos, she looks awesome in this picture. But it's not how she looks that will make or break her. It will be the songs.

[Merci Alizée]

It will be the songs.

That's necessary condition, but not the sufficient one.

[Un-rêve]

Depends totally on her. I don't think her career is over. Things haven't been going great that's for sure, but that's what happens to all of us. In such situation first thing is willingness to survive. When time is not good and you don't want to change the situation, then no one else can do anything. Same goes for her also.

After willingness, next thing is your hard work, mental toughness and talent. She certainly got the last one and I believe she is mentally tough too. So, only thing left for her is hard work. She is only 26 and it may happen in her current situation that her hard work may yield very little result. But she needs to be strong and not loose her faith in herself. She started career at young age and she has got lot of time. Say even if tries and goes along with moderate success for next 5 years or so, even then she will be only in thirties and will have lot left with her. But if she doesn't try then it can be over anytime. I'm saying this for her not because she is Alizée, rather because I believe so for every person. People get success even with limited talent and lot of hard work. I have seen it in my real life with people around me. Only difference is that things may change slowly for them.

I hope that her tough time passes for her. I hope that all of us will continue to support her even through these days. :)


So well said!

This might seem odd but I always luvd her too for her strong personality and because she's so down to earth!

Our hopes with her. :wub:

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Edit: srry for being over the top...

[severianb]

Nothing wrong with being over the top. This is a *FAN* forum, believe it or not. FAN being short for FANatic. As in liking something or someone to a point far beyond what most consider rational. It is what it is.

Any non-fans should probably GTFO.

[Merci Alizée]

Please post any further opinion about her career on [MDO] Alizée's Career (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6250) thread.