[MDO] Alizée's Career

[User22]

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See now how hard was that? I'll bet you a nickel that you read the first line above and read this line last. So I think it is an effective but more "cheap" way of doing the mature discussions. People read the rules at the top of the thread first so they know the stuff below may not be suitable for them. See, this wasn't that hard now was it? Let's see how it plays out...

[Euphoria]

Honestly, I think her singing career is basically over. It would take such a huuuuuuge overhaul to really make her successful again and I just don't think she has the drive or desire anymore. I know her last two albums were an attempt to go outside the box and explore but there is a reason underground music is underground. Frankly, its not that hard to look at the charts and see what is popular. Take that and make something of your own out of it. I've said this before but, I think she got a bit cocky (as would most people in this situation) about her fame from MF. Unfortunately, the French are very fickle when it comes to music and her most hardcore fans really only buy her new albums because they're hers. I'm not trying to be a bitch or only point out her failures but, she has made some bad mistakes and it has cost her.

I mean no disrespect, but she needs to quit F@#%&ING up if she doesn't want to be a joke in France.

[user472884]

You will remain respectful... to Alizée


but she needs to quit F@#%&ING up if she doesn't want to be a joke in France.

mmmhmmm

Go ahead, supermods, go for it. I don't mind.

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But then again, what do you count as being "successful"?

Being on Yahoo News everyday and being at the end of every aisle in Target?

Or doing what she enjoys doing, and having a loyal fanbase who will support her...

I know which one I would choose.



I just think she's doing what she wants and what she's comfortable with... if she wants more, she'll go for it. That's all I have to say about that.

[Euphoria]

What do I count as successful? Well, first of all, selling albums. I wouldn't call Psychedelices a failure but, the album sales weren't great and her "tour" was kind of a joke. Also, there were only 2 singles. I don't think I need to say much about UEDS. We all know it was a complete commercial failure and there was little promotion for the album.

So on my list of being successful I'd say.....

1. album sales
2. being played on the radio
3. sold out concerts
4. maintaining a stable spot on the charts

But, if she enjoys what she is doing IE: Les Enfoires and designing cat scarves...more power to her.

[Rev]

I like this. Simple. Open to all. An elegant solution. :)



The real question is does she have the will to build her career? She had it easy in the beginning. Now that she is really getting a sense of what it will take to succeed - will she decide that she is willing put in the necessary effort? If she does, I have no doubt that she will eventually find her way. She is a smart woman, and she is learning the business - both by her successes and (probably even more) by her failures. She can do it - IF she chooses to.

[user472884]

1. album sales
2. being played on the radio
3. sold out concerts
4. maintaining a stable spot on the charts


Figures.

Regards,

Jalen

[Deepwaters]

her most hardcore fans really only buy her new albums because they're hers.

This is self-evidently untrue. If it were true, UEDS would have sold better. I bought it because I liked it. So I suspect did most of the people who bought it. Most of it could be heard without spending the money, so those who heard it and didn't like it didn't buy it. Very few people, if any, bought it solely because it was hers.

Also self-evidently untrue is the idea that she is selling scarves because she needs the money, like a businessman in the Depression selling apples on the streets. She still has good royalties coming in from the three albums that sold reasonably well, and Jérémy has a solid career going as a composer. She does not need money at all.

In the end, she is the only one who can decide what the standards of success are. I have nothing but contempt for the idea that an artist has to be topping the charts constantly or should be considered a failure. That's part and parcel of the loathsome American tendency to judge a person by how much money he brings in. On the other hand, I do think that, to the extent Alizée did want to be a chart-topper, she must bear some of the blame for failing to promote her work effectively.

[Euphoria]

Do I really have to bust out the charts?

[Deepwaters]

Do I really have to bust out the charts?

No, you have to justify arguing that they are all that matters.

[Euphoria]

Well....selling albums kinda means you're successful. I never said they're all that matters, but it seems like people keep making excuses for her. Make all the excuses you want, her career is still in the toilet.

[Deepwaters]

Well....selling albums kinda means you're successful.

That's where we disagree. I am not "making excuses," I am criticizing a view that I consider crass and shallow.

[Euphoria]

So having a small following of fan boys means success? News to me. Sorry, this thread-and the whole idea just won't work. Yes, you constantly make excuses when the fact is that nobody in France cares about her anymore.

[Merci Alizée]

the fact is that nobody in France cares about her anymore.

What exactly do you mean by that? :blink:

[Azhiri]

1. album sales
2. being played on the radio
3. sold out concerts
4. maintaining a stable spot on the charts


Do I really have to bust out the charts?

I never said they're all that matters, but it seems like people keep making excuses for her. Make all the excuses you want, her career is still in the toilet.

I'm confused.

Aren't album sales at an all-time low? Is judging success solely based on album sales, morally or otherwise, really a valid argument right now?

I think the reason she isn't successful from a strictly industrial point of view is one of two:

a) She has no idea how to manage a career. This seems most feasible to me.

Like I said in another thread, she has had little to no experience with the music industry without a team of expert musical geniuses to make every move for her. Alizee brought the music to life, she inspired millions, and she was (and still is) fantastic. But in terms of career choices she never lifted a finger, or at least that's how it looks to me. Is she completely free of blame for the position she is in sales-wise? No. Is it ALL her fault? Still no. It's hard to make it in today's industry without solid management, and I would be lying (I'd even venture to say that all of you would as well) if I said that I would not be confused and floundering in her position.

b) She simply does not want to be famous. This is also possible. With that much credibility and fame in the music industry, she could still be a sensation today if she wanted to. But she chose this instead. People measure success in more ways than one and we can argue in circles for hours over which is right, but the truth is that there is no absolutely correct, unshakable, solid way to define it. There's no right answer, just what your personal opinion is.

How does Alizee herself define success? I don't know for sure. But if she is happy doing this and considers herself successful, that's good enough for me.

[user472884]

Euphoria, I would like to see you compare Alizée's career to your music career, and point out every instance in where you made the "correct" decision and where Alizée totally derp'd.

[pepelepew]

So having a small following of fan boys means success? News to me. Sorry, this thread-and the whole idea just won't work. Yes, you constantly make excuses when the fact is that nobody in France cares about her anymore.You just insulted Alizee and her fans. Your right this whole idea won't work for you. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. We are all clueless where Alizee goes from here. I really hope she continues for my sake. I hope Alizee does what she does for her sake. Any thing else I would say would be redundant.:)

[User22]

Time to analyze...

So guys this [MDO] thing can still work if nobody insults. Just agree to disagree like Deep did. Cause if we can do that then this idea can stay afloat and we can have somewhat "more mature" discussions. Euphoria had his/her opinion on Alizee's career which was fine but then he/she couldn't resist but to insult after not being able to justify his/her point. We just need to not do that and this thing will be a success.

Carry on...

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Most of it could be heard without spending the money, so those who heard it and didn't like it didn't buy it. Very few people, if any, bought it solely because it was hers.

And how many times have you heard just on this website that people would buy anything that she put out? Just saying.

Yes, you constantly make excuses when the fact is that nobody in France cares about her anymore.

Add almost before the nobody and you have an extremely true statement.

Aren't album sales at an all-time low? Is judging success solely based on album sales, morally or otherwise, really a valid argument right now?

I'd say it is still quite a valid point as that is why one makes an album is to sell it.

How does Alizee herself define success? I don't know for sure. But if she is happy doing this and considers herself successful, that's good enough for me.

She wants to do large concert and not small venues. Even if you don't know her and how she is you can see this by the Venues she has picked for previous concerts and the cancellation of others do to them not having enough people for her.

You just insulted Alizee and her fans.

For the Fanboy comment that's just in how you take it. It's really just a term for hardcore fans. As for the people who care in France just go ask Julien, I'd imagine he'd have a good idea of what the general opinion of the French are.

Regards,

Jung

[awkward Turtle]

Alizée is floundering in the charts and I think her long term career is in danger. I really think she needs to tour or she is never going to sell more albums or gain popularity. She might just have to swallow her image of concerts that she had before and start smaller with less emphasis on the whole show going on on stage. Just focus on her singing and build from there.

I would love to see, just for legacy sake, one more very popular album so that people do not forever remember her as that 16 year old girl singing Moi... Lolita. Also, it would show the world what we all know: that she is an extremely gifted artist and not some one-hit-wonder that couldn't stand on her own feet.

[BlackAnthem]

Remember way back when? I said she was pulling a Peyton Manning and just taking a dip? Well we need to face reality. The young population is moving on from the Alizee Era. I listened to the Top 40 Songs in France Today and she was not there. Tiao Cruz was. But she wasn't.

There moving on. BUT This is key. If she changes to match the trends then we know she's not done. If not...it's just her time.


The selling of albums has always been a huge player in the world of music. It's unavoidable. If you don't sell then you have no record company. Not news.

The fanboy thing? We're all fans. Disregard.

Buying anything she puts out? I didn't buy these last two albums.
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Now about MDO. I can't believe we're on the second page and already...geez c'mon guys! Just be nice.

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Also I meant to say this is the kind of HIGH ANALYSIS and Conversation of ALIZEE and her immediate CAREER New people are going to be looking for!

[Merci Alizée]

And how many times have you heard just on this website that people would buy anything that she put out? Just saying.


And how many of them actually did so? How many of them end up buying anything buying what she put out and they didn't like? Did majority of people buy her albums despite hating it or was it that majority of people who bought her liked her album and bought it?

And how many times we have heard on the websites that didn't buy what she put out, even when they liked it a lot?

Just reminds me of an instance mentioned by a person. A very young girl(probably below 15) in France saw UEdS on a store and she wanted to buy it. But she didn't just because she was afraid that she won't get good response about her decision from other people.

[Euphoria]

Euphoria, I would like to see you compare Alizée's career to your music career, and point out every instance in where you made the "correct" decision and where Alizée totally derp'd.

I never pursued a career in music. ;) Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but in the music industry, one tiny mistake can be detrimental to your career.


I'm confused.

Aren't album sales at an all-time low? Is judging success solely based on album sales, morally or otherwise, really a valid argument right now?

I think the reason she isn't successful from a strictly industrial point of view is one of two:

She has no idea how to manage a career. This seems most feasible to me.

How does Alizee herself define success? I don't know for sure. But if she is happy doing this and considers herself successful, that's good enough for me.

Like Jung said, I think its fairly obvious she wants to be commercially successful. Around the Psychedelices era, she had to cancel her large venues in France because ticket sales were dismal. And no, albums sales aren't as low as you'd think. Both Nolwenn Lorey and Mylene Farmer sold more than 100,000 albums in the first week of their release.

I honestly don't know how she wouldn't be able to manage a music career. Did she not glean anything from MF, who is possibly the most successful singer of all time in France? It just seems like she is trying too hard to be "different". With this next album, I really hope she goes with something a bit more mainstream.

[Rev]

...Just reminds me of an instance mentioned by a person. A very young girl(probably below 15) in France saw UEdS on a store and she wanted to buy it. But she didn't just because she was afraid that she won't get good response about her decision from other people.

There it is again. From what I have gleaned from both Alizée's statements, as well as general discussion and articles I have read, it does seem to be very important in France to "follow the trend." In other words, you are not cool if you are not listening to the right music. And apparently there is a relatively small group of people that seem to have the power to define what the current trends are. [this is of course a simplification but you get the idea what she is up against] This is why she tried having the kickoff party for UEdS.

She tried being on the fringe with UEdS. This experiment unfortunately resulted in both a loss of time and momentum as well as some bad press. She has learned some good lessons, and I'm sure is having many discussions with her peers at L.E. on the dynamics of the industry and how the industry, and French culture in general, is shifting with time.

After this, she will make some decisions on where she would like to go and how she will get there. Eventually we will hear about what she has chosen. :)

[Euphoria]

There it is again. From what I have gleaned from both Alizée's statements, as well as general discussion and articles I have read, it does seem to be very important in France to "follow the trend." In other words, you are not cool if you are not listening to the right music. And apparently there is a relatively small group of people that seem to have the power to define what the current trends are. [this is of course a simplification but you get the idea what she is up against] This is why she tried having the kickoff party for UEdS.

She tried being on the fringe with UEdS. This experiment unfortunately resulted in both a loss of time and momentum as well as some bad press. She has learned some good lessons, and I'm sure is having many discussions with her peers at L.E. on the dynamics of the industry and how the industry, and French culture in general, is shifting with time.

After this, she will make some decisions on where she would like to go and how she will get there. Eventually we will hear about what she has chosen. :)

Well you know what they say, even bad press is good press. ;)

[severianb]

I think the only way to discuss this subject is by stating what you think of her career based on your view of success. Let's not argue over who's view is correct.
*MY* definition of success is a new album that I enjoy every couple of years and some good live perfomances to enjoy. She is doing very well on the first point, sporadic on the second point.

[Jake04]

I'm confused.

Aren't album sales at an all-time low? Is judging success solely based on album sales, morally or otherwise, really a valid argument right now?

I think the reason she isn't successful from a strictly industrial point of view is one of two:

a) She has no idea how to manage a career. This seems most feasible to me.

Like I said in another thread, she has had little to no experience with the music industry without a team of expert musical geniuses to make every move for her. Alizee brought the music to life, she inspired millions, and she was (and still is) fantastic. But in terms of career choices she never lifted a finger, or at least that's how it looks to me. Is she completely free of blame for the position she is in sales-wise? No. Is it ALL her fault? Still no. It's hard to make it in today's industry without solid management, and I would be lying (I'd even venture to say that all of you would as well) if I said that I would not be confused and floundering in her position.

b) She simply does not want to be famous. This is also possible. With that much credibility and fame in the music industry, she could still be a sensation today if she wanted to. But she chose this instead. People measure success in more ways than one and we can argue in circles for hours over which is right, but the truth is that there is no absolutely correct, unshakable, solid way to define it. There's no right answer, just what your personal opinion is.

How does Alizee herself define success? I don't know for sure. But if she is happy doing this and considers herself successful, that's good enough for me.

WOW! You make a lot of sense for your age! I wish more people think like you.
I'm not going to debate this as I've already done so extensively in the past. However, I would like to recommend the site below to those who are unaware of this. They have a lot of really good articles/blogs regarding Alizee's career. They also have new pictures that I know you'll enjoy! ;)

http://alizee-music.blogspot.com/

One of my favorites:

Sunday, December 5, 2010
Alizée... the contrarian

Alizée... the contrarian
Sure, kind of like Conan... the barbarian, why not.

Contrarian thinkers test boundaries and challenge the status quo. They are risk takers.

Alizée has always railed against conventional wisdon.
Being young she "played" the lolita role.
Being a sensation she dropped out of site, married and had a daughter.
Coming back she discontinued her affiliation with Mylene and friends.
The public looking for lolita part II came the real Alizée.
Looking for pop came electro
When information is expected it doesn't come, out of nowhere information shows.
Alizee Store opens out of nowhere, it closes for Christmas...

You get the picture.

After all these years... it's part of her charm! It IS Alizée.

Contrarian: somebody disposed to taking opposite position: a habitual opponent of accepted policies, opinions, or practices

So based on that... I advise you to not tweet me or email me. Conventional wisdom says it would not be a good idea. So I repeat... do not tweet or email me.
(lol, battle of the minds and I am at a disadvantage)

Remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, and not with it. - Henry Ford.

[Scruffydog777]

My view of success. Let's start with Psych. I spent a week on vacation in France, a month after this album was released. I rented a car and drove to Normandy, Mont St Michael, Rennes, Saumur, Tours and Le Mans, then back to Paris. I never heard one of Alizée's songs on the radio. There were several songs I heard a number of times, but it was obvious, Psych was not much of hit in France. You add the fact that there were 2 cancelled concerts, well it doesn't take long to do the math. Pysch was not a success in France.

Now we have UEDS. The French media have labeled it a flop. Some people have said it was and artistic success. Well that type of success wont put food on the table, wont put her kids through college (I'm sure she'll have more). She's still quite young and has to be wondering, how will I keep providing for my self, let alone my family, If I can't make it as a singer.

She says she wants to last and she wants to matter, but how hard it is for her to show up on Les Enfoires each year and answer all the questions she must face from her peers?
How's your new album doing?
When's your next concert?
When are you going on tour?
She loves being on this show, but to be on this show, you have to matter, and in France she hasn't mattered since she left MF and LB.

Is there a chance for her? I think so, but it will be a long, hard road in front of her.
As I said before she needs a manager who knows what they're doing. That in itself is a tall order. Then once she gets one, he (she) is going to have to find some good musicians and song writers to go along with her. That's another tall order. Is it possible? I think so. I just wonder if she realizes what needs to be done.

[Karin]

Is there a chance for her? I think so, but it will be a long, hard road in front of her.
As I said before she needs a manager who knows what they're doing. That in itself is a tall order. Then once she gets one, he (she) is going to have to find some good musicians and song writers to go along with her. That's another tall order. Is it possible? I think so. I just wonder if she realizes what needs to be done.

you are 100% right... she needs very good manager who knows how it is going/working... everyone could see in the letter on Myspace, when she cancelled Paris concert, that she wrote there something about her manager (I dont know completely what about manager was there, but I think there was something)

correct me if Im wrong :)

[Euphoria]

you are 100% right... she needs very good manager who knows how it is going/working... everyone could see in the letter on Myspace, when she cancelled Paris concert, that she wrote there something about her manager (I dont know completely what about manager was there, but I think there was something)

correct me if Im wrong :)

Yes, but it was also a coverup for low ticket sales.

[Karin]

Yes, but it was also a coverup for low ticket sales.

yea... but I think that was problem of bad/no promotion too

[lefty12357]

In my opinion, Alizée is at a difficult point in her music career. I think it has the potential to head in either direction right now depending on what happens next. It’s a lot more complicated than it may seem, and Alizée has less control over what will happen than some give her credit for. I've said it before and others have eluded to it here. She is up against a mindset in France that is not working in her favor. Her early success is both a help and a hindrance. There is no "success button" that one just pushes and everything just works out. If you look at the stats on how many albums are released each year versus how many “make it”, the numbers are dismal. And there are a lot of people in the system that one has to deal with, such as radio programmers, business people and record industry people. They all exercise at least some control over your access to the system and your success. And trying to craft an album for what will be popular 6 months to a year from now is not so simple.

Sales are important insofar as the traditional music career model is concerned. You could lose access to TV, radio or traditional distribution channels if you don’t post the kind of numbers these people are expecting. Of course there are other ways to go such as self publishing and selling directly to the fans via the internet, but there is no guarantee of success there either. Bottom line, there is no guarantee to success, period. And that goes for anyone, not just Alizée. So if one assumes that if Alizée simply did “A”, “B”, and “C”, she’d be a big success again, they’re kidding themselves.

She could definitely use a manager, producer and some good songwriters to work with. And she may have to give up some of her control. I consider all her albums to be honest, artistic efforts on her part. As long as she continues to be sincere about the music she does, I think she deserves respect. Hopefully, that will pay off for her again. Regardless, I don’t want to characterize her career as a success or a failure. I think that is for her to determine, based on her goals and expectations. Personally, I like all of her albums and hopefully I will continue to like what she does in the future.

[Scruffydog777]

yea... but I think that was problem of bad/no promotion too

Promotion could have definitely helped Psych. But to be perfectly honest. If a song is very good, it doesn't need any promotion. The word will quickly spread from people who hear a good song. When I first heard Moi Lolita, it was like, oh my god!, what have I happened upon here. She needed absolutely no promotion as far as I was concerned. Psych only had one really good song of this nature on it and that was PLP.

[Edcognito]

Can't post long, getting whipped from snow-blowing.


Alizee (so far as I can tell) is calling her own shots. The only thing i REALLY hope for, is that she has an album that does "well". Well enough that she can get some concerts going.

*I* want her to be a commercial success, but that may not be in her heart. I therefore temper what I want, with what *she* wants.

Can she make a fifth album and come out strong? Sure. Will she? 'dunno, but, I do know that I hope like hell she does (selfish of me).


Mutt Lang, LB & MF - THAT would be the team I would have work with Alizeé!

:eek:


Ed:cool:

[DrSmith]

If a song is very good...

Stop. Opinion Time.
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When I first heard Moi Lolita, it was like, oh my god!, what have I happened upon here. She needed absolutely no promotion as far as I was concerned.

That's what Psychédélices was for me. I thought the entire album was great. Psychédélices made me an Alizée fan.

The truth is, word-of-mouth only spreads so far. Good promotion ensures that everybody will hear your music, and you'll find more fans. There have been bands and artists that I really like that I've told a lot of people about, and rarely does anyone even care. Artists don't gain massive popularity just from friends telling friends.

There's always the chance that even if it's well-advertised not many people will like it. But does everything need to be liked by a lot of people? There's a niche for everything. We know that UEdS is Alizée's poorest-selling album, but some people really like it. It's some people's favourite album by her. Would you deny them the music that they enjoy?

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Personally all this talk about what Alizée should do, or has to do, or what she should have done bores me to death. I just want her to do what she wants to do. And I don't know what that is. Maybe she wants to be super popular again, maybe she's satisfied with doing her own thing whether it makes her popular or not, maybe she wants to quit making music. Whatever it is she wants to do, she'll do it.

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I also think it's quite presumptuous when people to say that Alizée doesn't know how to manage her career. You don't know what she knows, you don't know who she knows, and you don't know what she hopes to accomplish.

[User22]

I see this thread has reached where I intended it to be. Well actually it was intended to be a test run or smack in the face to the people ranting about how we need a private section to the forums. But this seems to work so I guess the [MDO] idea has proven to be useful. Thanks guys :) BTW I probably shouldnt' have picked "Alizée's career" as a random topic to test this idea; oh well, this place seems to be quite calm yet deep and "mature". And might I say you guys are making this thread a great read...

Please, carry on...

[HelixSix]

*I* want her to be a commercial success, but that may not be in her heart. I therefore temper what I want, with what *she* wants.
Some people don't do that and it leads to fights because they presume that what they want=what Alizée wants, what they think=what Alizée thinks, and that their opinion=fact.

Something like this,
"She is flat broke after two massive album failures. She will never be successful unless she throws her raggy clothing away and reunites with MF and LB and continues the lolita image. It's obvious that she desperately wants fame and to be a sex symbol again. It's too bad she got cocky and severed the connection with MF and insults her to this day."

[Corsaire]

I have recently commented on this topic plenty in other threads. I will just mention that I hope Alizée is in control of her professional life and that she does what she wants with her career.

Oh... and about commercial success... What if Alizée’s next release is a hugely popular album, but you personally can’t stomach her new sound or her new image? Imagine Alizée turning into the most annoying popular act you can think of. Commercial success is no assurance that you will personally like a product... or that it will bring instant happiness to an artist... and Alizée is the living proof of this since she decided to try something else than a possibly quite secure and successful career at some point.

[Alizee Nation]

Well Thank You Jake04

[severianb]

Oh... and about commercial success... What if Alizée’s next release is a hugely popular album, but you personally can’t stomach her new sound or her new image? Imagine Alizée turning into the most annoying popular act you can think of.

God, that would make me ill. I think I'd puke in my mouth a little. So not worth it. I'm not even going to mention the things that conjurs in my mind... just wrong!


Commercial success is no assurance that you will personally like a product... or that it will bring instant happiness to an artist... and Alizée is the living proof of this since she decided to try something else than a possibly quite secure and successful career at some point.

Exactly right. Of course, she was (and probably still is) financially secure at that point... probably not much of a risk. Easy come, easy go.

[Scruffydog777]

Stop. Opinion Time.
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That's what Psychédélices was for me. I thought the entire album was great. Psychédélices made me an Alizée fan.




Well unfortunately for Alizée, the average person in France,where it matters most, doesn't like Psych.




There's always the chance that even if it's well-advertised not many people will like it. But does everything need to be liked by a lot of people? There's a niche for everything. We know that UEdS is Alizée's poorest-selling album, but some people really like it. It's some people's favourite album by her. Would you deny them the music that they enjoy?


It needs to be liked by many people if she wants to have some commercial success. She's in a very expensive business and one of the most expensive parts of it is promotion, which many people say it needed? If she wants to continue in this business in the way she'd like to with more albums, concerts and tours, she has to start having some success commercialy





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Personally all this talk about what Alizée should do, or has to do, or what she should have done bores me to death. I just want her to do what she wants to do. And I don't know what that is. Maybe she wants to be super popular again, maybe she's satisfied with doing her own thing whether it makes her popular or not, maybe she wants to quit making music. Whatever it is she wants to do, she'll do it.



Well doing what she "wants" to do is getting her absolutely no where. She needs to start doing something different and if she doesn't like it, then she needs to find a new line of work.




I also think it's quite presumptuous when people to say that Alizée doesn't know how to manage her career. You don't know what she knows, you don't know who she knows, and you don't know what she hopes to accomplish.

Two cancelled concerts with Psych. She couldn't even schedule a concert with UEDS and you're trying to tell me she's not doing something wrong? Her problem is she's surrounded by too many yes men, telling her "You go girl, just keep doing what you're doing. Go ahead and walk right off the edge of that cliff. You'll be fine girl."

[DrSmith]

Well unfortunately for Alizée, the average person in France,where it matters most, doesn't like Psych.

So the fact that she made an album and some people like it means nothing, you're saying? She gave it her best shot, but it was a complete failure. The people who were moved by her music? Forget them. The numbers weren't high enough!

As a fan of a struggling artist, I'd like to imagine my support is appreciated a little more than not at all. I'd feel foolish to know that I'm just a dollar sign, or a euro sign as the case may be.

For some people, particularly artists, money is not everything. When someone choses to become a performer, do you think they do it solely to make money, or because they want to give something of themselves to a willing audience?

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Not to make any presumptions, but…

I really find it hard to imagine that Alizée cares about commercial success as much as some people on this forum do! All I'm seeing is "Alizée needs to do this..." and "Alizée should do that, if she wants to be a commercial success"…

Hold on. If she wants to? What ever gave you the idea that that's what she wants?

She knowingly walked away from the best manager in the world, and why? She felt like a product. She was a commercial success. Alizée was selling like hotcakes, but she was fed up. (:rolleyes:)

...and what you take away from this is that she wants to be a commercial success. The way I look at it, that isn't her top priority.

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If Alizée became a big star again, that would be great for us fans. But I don't think she's going to compromise anything (her artistic integrity, if you will) to make that happen.

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Again, I don't claim to know what Alizée's goals are. But since I wedged myself into an exchange with someone who thinks they do know, I had to give my perspective on that.

[Naft]

I'll just state the obvious since I don't know anything about her current manager, if she's looking for a new one or whatever she's trying to do.

Alizée is only 26 and has already released 4 albums and done more things than some accomplish in a lifetime. She's got the world at her feet, as long as she gets a good team to work with. She has her entire life in front of her, with a family and a career in something she loves doing. I think her happiness rates higher than her fame, not only for her but for her husband too.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

And how many of them actually did so? How many of them end up buying anything buying what she put out and they didn't like? Did majority of people buy her albums despite hating it or was it that majority of people who bought her liked her album and bought it?

I'd say there are those here that did buy it just because it was her. Wouldn't say that they exactly hated the album, but I can assure you that some of them didn't like it, "it had to grow on them." I'd imagine that most people that bought it did like it though, as I don't see the point in buying an album you don't like. However I have seen people do this.

She loves being on this show, but to be on this show, you have to matter, and in France she hasn't mattered since she left MF and LB.

Not to dog on Les Enfoires as it is a charity event, but how many of the artists there have you heard of? Or even how many of them have a well set career at this moment? There are a few that are quite big right now, but the majority.... livin' in past glory.

Two cancelled concerts with Psych.

Just two? or are you just talking about canceled shows in Paris? Which in all technicality was one.

For some people, particularly artists, money is not everything. When someone choses to become a performer, do you think they do it solely to make money, or because they want to give something of themselves to a willing audience?

Well one typically takes on a career path for a few reasons. To make a living would usually be right up top. Being happy with what you do is part of why you pick a career path but typically not required. Beings Jeremy can support them quite easily I can see how you could imagine she don't care about the money.

Regards.

Jung

[Bigdan]

I really find it hard to imagine that Alizée cares about commercial success as much as some people on this forum do! All I'm seeing is "Alizée needs to do this..." and "Alizée should do that, if she wants to be a commercial success"…

Hold on. If she wants to? What ever gave you the idea that that's what she wants?

....
...and what you take away from this is that she wants to be a commercial success. The way I look at it, that isn't her top priority.



More than this, I think somewhere in her mind, the "mexican event" and others crowd mouvement she experience in the past, have created a kind of anxiety about top celebrity... And she also see the way Mylène have to protect his privacy in every day life.
She sure want to be successfull in her job, but not at Mylène's level...

[Scruffydog777]

I have no idea if Alizée is interested in making money in this business or not, but like I said before, she's in an expensive business. A record company isn't going to want to work with her, if they don't think she's capable of making money. Promotion costs an awful lot of money and going on a tour, must be another large expense.

She probably doesn't care if she makes a dime herself, but I'm sure she'd like to make enough money to pay for all of those expenses, the tours, the promoting, etc. Another big expense for her last album was paying for CM. How were they paid? Probably some money up front, but I would imagine, they worked for mostly commission off of any album sales, and concert ticket sales. Looks like they took a bath with this album and what other decent group or musician is going to want to work with her now, when they realize they might not make any money?

She did leave what were probably two of the best managers in the business. Now she is being managed by two of the worst, at least as far as her career is concerned. She needs to bring someone on board (manager) to show other musicians that she might hope to work with and to the record companies, that she wants to get it right this time. They'll want nothing to do with the managers who are running the show now.

[Euphoria]

Scruffy is absolutely right. It costs money to be in the music business and she just isn't bringing in the bucks right now. I think we can all agree that yes, Psychedelices and UEDS were artistically good, but you have to make money to pay for studio recordings, tours, promotion, etc. The only thing that saved Psychedelices was Mexico; sales in France actually dropped faster for Psychedelices than they did for UEDS. We know shes always going to have those fans who will stay by her side and thats great, BUT she needs to have some sort of commercial success if she wants to keep being a singer. No one is going to want to work with her if her albums keep failing because NO ONE wants to be associated with that.

Also, to the people saying she might have a commercially successful album that makes you wanna vomit. Honestly, I don't see this happening. The weird, underground music might work for some people, but it doesn't work for Alizee. It doesn't take 2-3 years to make an album either. MF started working on Bleu Noir right after her tour, it took around a year and guess what, she broke her own record for the most top hits in France and its still on the top of the charts. Mylene Farmer knows that sometimes you have to go with whats popular, but that doesn't mean you can't put your own twist on it. You CAN be commercial and still have your own style.

In the end, I'm pretty sure Alizee cares more than you think. ;)

[DrSmith]

In the end, I'm pretty sure Alizee cares more than you think. ;)

I didn't mean to imply that I don't think she cares at all, just that making money is probably not her top priority judging by the decisions she's made. Her motives are largely a mystery to me. Her career could go any way at this point and I don't even know where she wants it to go.

I feel that I've already assumed too much and I'm probably going to stay out of this topic now.

[severianb]

In the end, I'm pretty sure Alizee cares more than you think. ;)

And I'm pretty sure you know just as much as pretty much everyone else here... that is to say, nothing.

[Euphoria]

And I'm pretty sure you know just as much as pretty much everyone else here... that is to say, nothing.

Oh I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

[Fèvier]

Oh I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

Oh shit, girl knows what she's talking about. Jaja

[Azhiri]

Oh I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

Ahh, how these statements frustrate me. You and Jung seem to favor saying things like that. You deliver some kind of vague one-liner that effectively makes us feel as if you're holding some kind of important information over our heads. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? HUH?! :p

Seriously though, you've piqued my curiosity. Do elaborate.

[User22]

Oh I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

Not trying to be smart, but what do you know that we don't?

[Mon Maquis]

Not trying to be smart, but what do you know that we don't?

Euphoria knows what she is talking about, so be careful.

Also something everyone else needs to be careful about is that, I know for a fact that artists not only read there forums but also have fake accounts to talk to there fans like a normal person.

If you don't believe me, Ben will confirm this.

[user472884]

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[Fèvier]

I wouldn't mess with MM, Euphoria, and other somehow very knowledgable members here. You don't know what they are hiding from us! :eek:

[User22]

Hehe Euphoria, MM found you out! So how is the new EP coming?

[Merci Alizée]

Ahh, how these statements frustrate me. You and Jung seem to favor saying things like that. You deliver some kind of vague one-liner that effectively makes us feel as if you're holding some kind of important information over our heads. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? HUH?! :p

Seriously though, you've piqued my curiosity. Do elaborate.

Lol, it's a general human tendency to be worried about what's hidden or even by the statement that something is hidden. There is lot(or almost everything) in front of everyone and people care less about that. ;)

[User22]

MA has a point (doesn't he always :rolleyes:). But yeah, everything is in front of us but some of us don't know it is there (I'm one of them). But yeah...

[Mon Maquis]

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I thought this thread was not about personal digs at people, but more of talking about certain topics with people who are adults.

[User22]

I thought this thread was not about personal digs at people, but more of talking about certain topics with people who are adults.

We're still working out the kinks. Anyway back on topic:

My opinion on Alizée's career is pretty short and to the point. I see her career as a huge success because she has mustered up a very loyal fanbase that has stuck with her through the years. Yes, there have been times where she has lost fans and gained small amounts of fans, but she has enjoyed the majority of her career as we see it and so I am simply happy with that. She has had to make some tough choices, and she made some "okay" decisions that some of us would not have made if we were her, but she has done what she has thought is right and so I am accepting that. That's really all I have to say...

[AlizéeInspired]

Her career can be discussed in many different ways. Many of which are opinions. The sales figures and commercial success are something that can easily be argued as pure fact. Strictly speaking in terms of sales and commercial success, her first two albums seem to be at the top. Debating which album is her "best" is opinion. Personally, I've come to be a fan of Psych and UEdS more than her first two albums. I can still agree that her first two albums were more successful in terms of sales, commercial success, and public acceptance. As for which album or part of her career was the biggest artistic success... this is something that I believe only she can judge and has a meaningful say in.

And now for my opinions and beliefs regarding her career as well as about any artistic career.

As bad as it may seem, what I care for the most are not her sales. While I don't necessarily want any artist or singer that I like to not have good sales, I do believe that any artist, singer, musician, or performer should believe in what they're doing or should feel good about what they're selling. Personally, I think expressing one's self, wanting to inspire, and wanting to bring joy to people should be among the top things, if not the very top things to an artist. Sadly, this isn't always easy or possible for some in the music industry as what some people want to express isn't always widely accepted as well as they may hope. The need of sales for money is also a big contributing factor that may sway and influence the work of today's pop singers and artists. That being said, if her albums were something that she really felt she needed to do and express as a performer and singer, then I'm proud of her for doing so. As for how things currently are in her career, perhaps Alizée just isn't what is "in" anymore. If what she is expressing and selling now isn't what a person likes, then they should move on to what they do like and wait for things that they may like.

I'll end this post with a good quote that I heard somewhere. I think it relates to what I'm saying and my belief on how an artist should go about their career as well as how a person may go about life: "I would rather be hated for the person that I am, than to be loved and adored for a person that I am not."

[Edcognito]

I am going to ask Euphoria directly: Do you know Alizeé? Do you have direct knowledge of this topic or "her"? Vague, grandiose statements bug me somewhat, but please believe me, I'm not trying to start a fight. :D


Again, I would love to see Alizeé do a more mainstream recording, because my tastes in music were developed in the 60's (Johnny Cash, Bobby Goldsboro, Simon & Garfunkel) through the '70's and '80's (Earth, Wind & Fire, Mothers Finest, Montrose, Motown, Blondie, Pat Benatar, AC/DC, Ozzy, Sammy Hagar (pre/post Van Halen) Billy Squire, Def Leppard and ZZ Top). ((OH! Can't forget Tony Carey's "Planet P Project" - 'Pink World' or Metallica)).


So yeah, my tastes in music run pretty "AOR" or main stream rock/metal. Therefore, the music that Alizeé made with MF/LB appealed to me. Some of you know that my first exposure to Alizeé was audio, not video... I like melodic arrangements and melodic composition. "Mlle. Juliette" and "Never Gonna Leave You" are my favorites of her recent releases.

For my own, personal and entirely *selfish* reasons, I would love a melodic pop/pop-rock album. Now, seeing what Alizeé has put out on the last two albums (more Rap/Electronic influence) it seems to me (could be wrong) that her taste in music doesn't come close to mine. Which is not a bad thing - I've been exposed to more "new music" through my discovery of Alizeé than anything else (including the internet) in the last 30 years...

Still find it hard to believe that the first artist that I take such an interest in is from a foreign land (lol!) speaking a language I don't know... And I would still love to meet her, and attend a concert. Again, purely selfish of me, I *want* her to be commercially successful so that I can see her in concert...

[Merci Alizée]

Please try to avoid making any personal remarks in the threads especially in case when discussion about Alizée is going on and when the personal remarks don't serve any purpose. In fact in most of the cases they don't do any good. Try to keep your words Alizée only.

Do not take this as any kind of limitation on any of you. Feel free to post your opinions and no need to worry much about these. All you need to do is to just think once before posting and that's all. My remark is not in light of any particular reply, rather it's a general request to all of you.

This is one way how we can improve our discussion. Even if someone posts any such comment, do not try to elongate the matter or make comments like "hey, you are not supposed to do this".

Our focus should be on Lili. ;)

[Mon Maquis]

I am going to ask Euphoria directly: Do you know Alizeé? Do you have direct knowledge of this topic or "her"? Vague, grandiose statements bug me somewhat, but please believe me, I'm not trying to start a fight. :D

No, Euphoria does not know Alizee, but Euphoria does know me.

[JoeNY]

Honestly, I think her singing career is basically over. It would take such a huuuuuuge overhaul to really make her successful again and I just don't think she has the drive or desire anymore. I know her last two albums were an attempt to go outside the box and explore but there is a reason underground music is underground. Frankly, its not that hard to look at the charts and see what is popular. Take that and make something of your own out of it. I've said this before but, I think she got a bit cocky (as would most people in this situation) about her fame from MF. Unfortunately, the French are very fickle when it comes to music and her most hardcore fans really only buy her new albums because they're hers. I'm not trying to be a bitch or only point out her failures but, she has made some bad mistakes and it has cost her.

I mean no disrespect, but she needs to quit F@#%&ING up if she doesn't want to be a joke in France.I am a big fan of Alizee, not only for her music but as a person. I want to see her succeed in life and be happy even if she never sings another song that I enjoy. That being said, her last 2 CDs on her own did not appeal to me, and I did not buy them like I ate up her other CDs and DVD.
I'm somewhat sad to read people blaming Alizee for the breakup with Mylene. :( I don't know what prompted the breakup - her marriage, pregnancy, becoming a woman with other priorities, or wanting to escape the typecast of a Lolita - but who's to say Mylene didn't initate it? Maybe Mylene thought she milked the Lolita image enough, and the next step for Alizee would mean crossing into her territory. Jealousy? ;) I think Alizee is more popular in the huge U.S. market today than Mylene ever was or could hope to be, but unfortunately, the U.S. is 5 years late on the Alizee phenomenon. If there was ever a foreign artist who could break into the U.S. charts with a non-English song like Nena did in the 80s, I'd put all my money on Alizee. :) And this whole premise that Mylene was solely responsible for the Alizee phenomenon is ridiculous. Mylene can groom 100 teen girls to sing the songs she produced for Alizee, and I highly doubt they could ever reach the appeal of Alizee. Who's to say Boutonnat wasn't responsible for Alizee's early success? ;) Alizee put Mylene Farmer on the map for me, not the other way around. Anyway, I have no animosity towards Mylene and I don't think she's evil in leaving Alizee out in the cold. Enough rambling. Let's get back to Alizee's career. :p

I do agree that Alizee's singing career may be over. Alizee is not a musician. All of us know that she was trained as a dancer and not as a singer, but she is so talented that she seemed a natural at singing too. But singing is only half of the equation to good music. You need someone to put the lyrics and tunes together to go with the voice. Alizee doesn't have the background or experience in that part, and that is why her music career is floundering. I love Alizee's voice. It is very unique. If Alizee put together a CD of just cover songs of popular songs, I would buy it. I love her cover songs of Ella, Elle L'a, Il Jouait Du Piano Debout, and La Isla Bonita just as much or more than the Mylene/Boutonnat composed songs. So if Alizee can't find a good composer for her next album, I suggest she just buy the rights to some old classics and make a cover song album. I would buy it.

Another avenue that I wish Alizee would pursue is acting. I always thought she would make the perfect James Bond girl. Now that she is "legal" for us to ogle her as Bond's love interest, why not?!! Acting is not difficult especially with someone as talented as Alizee. She would be a natural. She already has the beauty and celebrity status, and that helps a long way. I would pay to see any movie that Alizee appears in. Well, maybe not a horror movie, unless Alizee is doing the killing. :D

So there are my 2 directions for Alizee's professional future. I hope Mylene left Alizee with some money from her first 2 albums and extensive tour. From reading items on the internet, it seemed Mylene was running a child slave labor camp with Alizee. :rolleyes: Alizee does have a protective mom and dad, so I doubt that happened.

[Jake04]

I am a big fan of Alizee, not only for her music but as a person. I want to see her succeed in life and be happy even if she never sings another song that I enjoy. That being said, her last 2 CDs on her own did not appeal to me, and I did not buy them like I ate up her other CDs and DVD.
I'm somewhat sad to read people blaming Alizee for the breakup with Mylene. :( I don't know what prompted the breakup - her marriage, pregnancy, becoming a woman with other priorities, or wanting to escape the typecast of a Lolita - but who's to say Mylene didn't initate it? Maybe Mylene thought she milked the Lolita image enough, and the next step for Alizee would mean crossing into her territory. Jealousy? ;) I think Alizee is more popular in the huge U.S. market today than Mylene ever was or could hope to be, but unfortunately, the U.S. is 5 years late on the Alizee phenomenon. If there was ever a foreign artist who could break into the U.S. charts with a non-English song like Nena did in the 80s, I'd put all my money on Alizee. :) And this whole premise that Mylene was solely responsible for the Alizee phenomenon is ridiculous. Mylene can groom 100 teen girls to sing the songs she produced for Alizee, and I highly doubt they could ever reach the appeal of Alizee. Who's to say Boutonnat wasn't responsible for Alizee's early success? ;) Alizee put Mylene Farmer on the map for me, not the other way around. Anyway, I have no animosity towards Mylene and I don't think she's evil in leaving Alizee out in the cold. Enough rambling. Let's get back to Alizee's career. :p

I do agree that Alizee's singing career may be over. Alizee is not a musician. All of us know that she was trained as a dancer and not as a singer, but she is so talented that she seemed a natural at singing too. But singing is only half of the equation to good music. You need someone to put the lyrics and tunes together to go with the voice. Alizee doesn't have the background or experience in that part, and that is why her music career is floundering. I love Alizee's voice. It is very unique. If Alizee put together a CD of just cover songs of popular songs, I would buy it. I love her cover songs of Ella, Elle L'a, Il Jouait Du Piano Debout, and La Isla Bonita just as much or more than the Mylene/Boutonnat composed songs. So if Alizee can't find a good composer for her next album, I suggest she just buy the rights to some old classics and make a cover song album. I would buy it.

Another avenue that I wish Alizee would pursue is acting. I always thought she would make the perfect James Bond girl. Now that she is "legal" for us to ogle her as Bond's love interest, why not?!! Acting is not difficult especially with someone as talented as Alizee. She would be a natural. She already has the beauty and celebrity status, and that helps a long way. I would pay to see any movie that Alizee appears in. Well, maybe not a horror movie, unless Alizee is doing the killing. :D

So there are my 2 directions for Alizee's professional future. I hope Mylene left Alizee with some money from her first 2 albums and extensive tour. From reading items on the internet, it seemed Mylene was running a child slave labor camp with Alizee. :rolleyes: Alizee does have a protective mom and dad, so I doubt that happened.

Nice first post. Welcome to AAm, JoeNY!

[DrSmith]

but who's to say Mylene didn't initate it?

I think Alizée said. Sorry I don't have a source to give—that's only what I've heard from people here. It's just sort of common knowledge. Maybe someone can dig up an interview or a statement from Alizée.

[JoeNY]

I think Alizée said. Sorry I don't have a source to give—that's only what I've heard from people here. It's just sort of common knowledge. Maybe someone can dig up an interview or a statement from Alizée.I also got the impression from interviews that Alizee walked away from Mylene, but that doesn't make Alizee a bad person. I could see Mylene being an overprotective godmother to Alizee, and probably didn't approve of Alizee and Jeremy. I could see how any independent 20-year old could object to anyone including mom and dad telling her whom she could love or not. You have to admit, eloping and marrying Jeremy in Las Vegas would seem like an impulsive thing that a naive, young woman would do. Where her parents even at their wedding?

Let's be optimistic of Alizee's future and stop calling her a has-been. Alizee is 27 years old now. Mylene, her mentor, didn't release her first album until she was 23 or 24. Madonna, her teen idol, didn't release her first album until she was 25 or so. Mylene and Madonna's careers had highs and lows too.

[Euphoria]

I think Alizee is more popular in the huge U.S. market today than Mylene ever was or could hope to be, but unfortunately, the U.S. is 5 years late on the Alizee phenomenon.

LOL, you're joking right? Pretty sure Mylene has sold over 25 million albums worldwide and holds the record of number one hits in France, breaking her own record. She is one of the most successful artists of all time in France.

The problem with Alizee in the US is that Americans are just too stuck up for French songs. If she wants to be successful in the US (which I don't think she does, personally) she would have to record a completely English album. Seriously.

[Mon Maquis]

I look at it this way...

If Alizee was serious about her music career, she would fix the broken links on her website so where you can buy the music. Goes to show you she does not even look at her website.

2nd we would be getting monthly newsletters that she has a sign-up for...have you received one?

She would list her old albums she made on her website for new fans to discover. But since she is not getting royalty checks from that, I guess I would not have that on my website too...

She would write her fans or tweet back to them like other artists do. How many hand written letters, emails, myspace, facebook and twitter posts have us the fans done and not one person gets a response back.

Sooooo.... again we are back to Alizee does what she wants and that is that...

[user472884]

No, Euphoria does not know Alizee, but Euphoria does know me.

I know, you're so close you confused her for Alizée

[Mon Maquis]

I know, you're so close you confused her for Alizée


I thought this section was not for person digs at members ? Someone tell me if I am wrong for thinking that.

[JoeNY]

LOL, you're joking right? Pretty sure Mylene has sold over 25 million albums worldwide and holds the record of number one hits in France, breaking her own record. She is one of the most successful artists of all time in France.

The problem with Alizee in the US is that Americans are just too stuck up for French songs. If she wants to be successful in the US (which I don't think she does, personally) she would have to record a completely English album. Seriously.I'm not going to bash Mylene's accomplishments to make Alizee's look better. Mylene may be the big fish in France, but she is nowhere to be seen in the U.S. I am positive that if Alizee got any airplay in the U.S. during her prime, she would have been a big star despite the language barrier. And capturing a small part of the 300 million consumer market in the U.S. would crush what Mylene did in France. Mylene could never cross over into the U.S. market.
And do not generalize and say Americans would not accept a French singer. This forum is filled with American fans of Alizee! Problem is, the corporate media control what we see and hear, so most Americans will never be exposed to Alizee without some effort by her management and fans. Almost everyone I know who has seen a video link that I posted has been immediately enamored with her. It's not just Alizee's beauty because there are plenty of sexy pole dancers that pass themselves off as singers in the U.S. that fail to gain any interest. Alizee has the presence and the voice too. There are 2 kinds of Americans - Alizee fans and people who don't know of Alizee yet. ;)

[Fèvier]

I look at it this way...

If Alizee was serious about her music career, she would fix the broken links on her website so where you can buy the music. Goes to show you she does not even look at her website.

2nd we would be getting monthly newsletters that she has a sign-up for...have you received one?

She would list her old albums she made on her website for new fans to discover. But since she is not getting royalty checks from that, I guess I would not have that on my website too...

She would write her fans or tweet back to them like other artists do. How many hand written letters, emails, myspace, facebook and twitter posts have us the fans done and not one person gets a response back.

Sooooo.... again we are back to Alizee does what she wants and that is that...

Wow. I completely forgot about the subscription thing. And her website hasn't changed at all? Damn.

And I also didn't know that she doesn't get royalty checks anymore. What's the reason for that? No longer with the same labels or some random reason?

[JoeNY]

I look at it this way...

If Alizee was serious about her music career, she would fix the broken links on her website so where you can buy the music. Goes to show you she does not even look at her website.

2nd we would be getting monthly newsletters that she has a sign-up for...have you received one?

She would list her old albums she made on her website for new fans to discover. But since she is not getting royalty checks from that, I guess I would not have that on my website too...

She would write her fans or tweet back to them like other artists do. How many hand written letters, emails, myspace, facebook and twitter posts have us the fans done and not one person gets a response back.

Sooooo.... again we are back to Alizee does what she wants and that is that...Does Mylene Farmer get all of the royalties from Alizee's work with her? I'm sure Alizee still gets a portion of the royalties since it is her voice on those songs. That would make me sad knowing that Alizee really was a child slave under Mylene. :( No wonder Alizee broke her chains and escaped from that slave owner, Mylene.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I think Alizee is more popular in the huge U.S. market today than Mylene ever was or could hope to be

I don't think I'd say either of them has much of a fanbase in the States, however I'd probably say Mylene would still have an advantage even here. Don't think either one will venture their way over though as I know one has already had the opportunity and I'm sure the other has too.

If there was ever a foreign artist who could break into the U.S. charts with a non-English song like Nena did in the 80s, I'd put all my money on Alizee. :)

I think I'd put my money on Rammstein, Korpiklaani, or Yelle as they have all had successful stateside tours, and I know Rammstein still gets airplay here.

Regards.

Jung

[Azhiri]

Not only that but I think Alizee doesn't even want to come to America. She has had several chances, we've inquired her about it, and still she has made no move to promote here.

[Fèvier]

Even so, if both Mylene and Alizée made a move i'm pretty sure Mylene would be the one on top. I'd much rather have Alizée but still...

[Scruffydog777]

Welcome to the forum Joe NY.
I too am mainly a fan of her first two albums. I thought there was only one very good song on Psych (PLP). I thought UEDS did a better job of bringing out the beauty of her voice, but I still never got the urge to listen to these songs over and over again as I did with her first two albums.
I agree that Alizee could have been huge in the U.S. market, if only Mylene had done a better job of re-writing some of her songs from French into English. It appears to have been her only short coming in an other wise immensely talented career.


.................... Mylene can groom 100 teen girls to sing the songs she produced for Alizee, and I highly doubt they could ever reach the appeal of Alizee? ..................... Alizee put Mylene Farmer on the map for me, not the other way around.
............. But singing is only half of the equation to good music.
...............Another avenue that I wish Alizee would pursue is acting. I always thought she would make the perfect James Bond girl.
.

As far as singing being only half the equation, as far as her first 2 albums, it was only 1/3 of the equation and each third of that equation were all equaly important parts, Alizee's singing, LB's music and MF's lyrics. But more importantly, these 3 talents seemed to be perect for one another. Resulting in an end product that went far beyond what you would normally find after combining 3 people of who had such good talents.



Some people may love the music of CM, but I think this group of fans at best, is a very small niche market. Alizee needed a much bigger market to find the success she needs. Plus I felt from the git-go that this group was not a good fit for her voice and it doomed this album from the begining. I hate to beat a dead horse, but that's something a good manager should have realized.

You are right about the choice of Alizee over other girls, there is a certain specialness to her, a certain uniqueness to her, that made her the perfect girl for the job.


I have to disagree with you about Alizee putting Mylene Farmer on the map. Almost 4 years ago, I read that MF was the most successful femal singer in French history and that was true even before she met Alizee. In fact just last year, at the age of 49 she released another album that was a huge success and she went on a tour that sold out every concert.

As far as acting, if Alizee really had any inklings of moving in that direction, I think she shot herself in the foot when she got the tatoos on her arm, wrist in back. The ones on her arm and wrist were very loving, very sweet gestures towards her family, but I think they crippled her chances of ever being asked to appear in some movie role.

[Fèvier]

There's always make up to cover up the tattoos, no? I'm sure plenty of actors have tattoos that are covered in for the movies.

[Junkmale]

There's always make up to cover up the tattoos, no? I'm sure plenty of actors have tattoos that are covered in for the movies.

True Fev.
Angelina Jolie is just one example. She has a lot of very visible tats.
Drew Barrymore is another. She is covered in tattoos and still appears in a lot of 'family' movies.

[Scruffydog777]

Angelina Jolie studied acting from an early age and she is cast into many roles as a sexy woman. Drew Barrymore was born into an acting family and also started acting at an early age. She is mostly cast in comedy/romantic comedy roles.

Now I know Alizee did some additional training when she was young besides dance lessons, but I believe it was geared towards on stage musical performances and though it's related, I don't think it's the the type of serious acting training producers prefer. Of course they make exceptions all the time. Look at how many times in this country sports stars with very questionable acting ability are cast in major roles.

But in cases like that they have something else that make the producers willing to over look their lack of acting skills and that's usually the fact they are very popular or at least very well known characters in the eyes of the public and right now Alizee is not very popular in France. There were probably several producers who would have liked to have used her years ago. A James Bond movie would have been a perfect role for her back in 2003, but that was at the height of her popularity.

So now we have some one who has lost their popularity in France and has little formal acting training or experience. The main thing she has now that would appeal to producers, is her tremendous natural beauty, because as producers cast Angelina most of the time as a sexy woman and Drew in comedies, they would want to cast Alizee in the role of a beautiful woman and all I'm trying to say is she's taking away from that every time she adds a tatoo.

[User22]

Agreed Scruff, but lets just hope Alizee doesn't appear too much as a beautiful woman if you know what I mean ;) She wouldn't let that happen though.

[Azhiri]

I never understood the fuss about her tattoos, I get why some find them unattractive but it's her skin and she can do what she wants with it. :rolleyes:

[Scruffydog777]

There's no big fuss. You are absolutely correct to say it's her body and she can do with it what she wants, but by doing so there are some producers, it could be a very small percentage or it could be a significant percentage who would not consider using her in an acting role because of it. So by the addition of tatoos, she has reduced the chances of being able to expand her career and at this point in time, that is something she can ill afford.

[Jake04]

I think instead of acting, she would do better with hosting a tv show. A variety show just like where she used to perform. She already had a lot exposures on those types of shows. Plus, it will give her a platform to promote her new single/album.

[JoeNY]

I think instead of acting, she would do better with hosting a tv show. A variety show just like where she used to perform. She already had a lot exposures on those types of shows. Plus, it will give her a platform to promote her new single/album.I would love to see Alizee on a weekly show just being herself, but I think she can do better. :p

And she also needs to fire her current hairdresser and find the one who did her hair from 2001-2004. I rarely care about those superficial things, but Alizee's cereal bowl haircut makes her only 99% perfect, and I dearly miss that 1%. :D

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I know, you're so close you confused her for Alizée

I'd have to say Mon Maquis is a fella you should be thanking for a lot of the things that you do see, and not mocking for things that you do not and won't ever see.

Regards,

Jung

[Jake04]

I would love to see Alizee on a weekly show just being herself, but I think she can do better. :p

And she also needs to fire her current hairdresser and find the one who did her hair from 2001-2004. I rarely care about those superficial things, but Alizee's cereal bowl haircut makes her only 99% perfect, and I dearly miss that 1%. :D

You'd be surprised how much tv hosts make. Some of them actually make a lot. And that's not just here in the US.
As for her hair, I really like most of them except for the one when she sung in a duet, I believe, with Jennifer.

[severianb]

I'd have to say Mon Maquis is a fella you should be thanking for a lot of the things that you do see, and not mocking for things that you do not and won't ever see.

Regards,

Jung

I thought this section was not for person digs at members ? Someone tell me if I am wrong for thinking that.

If we agree to ban digs, can we also agree to ban cryptic posts that imply knowledge of things without ANY supporting evidence. The two things go hand in hand. It's pretty hard to dig someone when they provide solid, concrete things to back up their claims. On the other hand, it's pretty much a requirement to be vocally skeptical of someone who doesn't. IMHO.

[Fenris]

Well, coming late to this discussion and reading through all of it, here is my view of things.
I'm afraid that her career as a singer is pretty much at an end.
Why?
Not because Psych or UEDS have been bad albums. I don't expect her to sell music for the masses or to be a chartbreaker anymore.
The problem is that she is simply not willing to do the job as it is neccessary.
She released an album in 2010 and then...pretty much nothing.
No activity, no promo, no concerts, only one single.
One can't expect to be a respected singer while not singin your own songs at all, to put it simply.
So, why this lack of activity?
I've seen her in Montpellier, she still has the stage presence and the radiance, she still can do it. But she chooses not to.
As Jung has already said, i believe she wants BIG or nothing. Big is no longer an option, and she refuses to do small.
Which is a shame, i have been to a couple of small concerts in france last year and they were all magnificent.
For example i have seen Julie Zenatti in Paris, she's also no big star, album sells moderately at best, and on top of it all she was highly pregnant at the time. Nevertheless she took to the stage, delivered a great show and her fans loved her for it. You should have seen the adoration in their eyes.
That is how you maintain your niche and the support of the public and your fans, by being out there and showing that you care.
That is how you prove that "Je veux durer" is true.

Alizée is not willing to do this and that is why she fails. Honest work, show your passion for what you are doing and people will respect you.

I'm still a fan and i still keep an eye on her, but as long as she is not willing to invest more into her career i don't expect much for the future.

And before you start bashing me, that is not how i wish things to be, but i prefer to attend to reality.

[Euphoria]

I would love to see Alizee on a weekly show just being herself, but I think she can do better. :p

And she also needs to fire her current hairdresser and find the one who did her hair from 2001-2004. I rarely care about those superficial things, but Alizee's cereal bowl haircut makes her only 99% perfect, and I dearly miss that 1%. :D

Personally, I like it. I almost cut my hair that way because it looked so good on her. Her forehead is a little....long, to not have bangs. The cut suits her. :)

Edit:

Well, coming late to this discussion and reading through all of it, here is my view of things.
I'm afraid that her career as a singer is pretty much at an end.
Why?
Not because Psych or UEDS have been bad albums. I don't expect her to sell music for the masses or to be a chartbreaker anymore.
The problem is that she is simply not willing to do the job as it is neccessary.
She released an album in 2010 and then...pretty much nothing.
No activity, no promo, no concerts, only one single.
One can't expect to be a respected singer while not singin your own songs at all, to put it simply.
So, why this lack of activity?
I've seen her in Montpellier, she still has the stage presence and the radiance, she still can do it. But she chooses not to.
As Jung has already said, i believe she wants BIG or nothing. Big is no longer an option, and she refuses to do small.
Which is a shame, i have been to a couple of small concerts in france last year and they were all magnificent.
For example i have seen Julie Zenatti in Paris, she's also no big star, album sells moderately at best, and on top of it all she was highly pregnant at the time. Nevertheless she took to the stage, delivered a great show and her fans loved her for it. You should have seen the adoration in their eyes.
That is how you maintain your niche and the support of the public and your fans, by being out there and showing that you care.
That is how you prove that "Je veux durer" is true.

Alizée is not willing to do this and that is why she fails. Honest work, show your passion for what you are doing and people will respect you.

I'm still a fan and i still keep an eye on her, but as long as she is not willing to invest more into her career i don't expect much for the future.

And before you start bashing me, that is not how i wish things to be, but i prefer to attend to reality.

Probably the best and most honest post I've read in a while. ;) You're right on the money.

[Mon Maquis]

It's pretty hard to dig someone when they provide solid, concrete things to back up their claims. On the other hand, it's pretty much a requirement to be vocally skeptical of someone who doesn't. IMHO.

Maybe people have already provided this information time and time again, but you fail to understand or choose not to read those posts.

It's funny, I never seen you at any of the Alizee concerts, Sony meeting nor in Paris when I am there...but I don't know what I am talking about.

Well, coming late to this discussion and reading through all of it, here is my view of things.
I'm afraid that her career as a singer is pretty much at an end.
Why?
Not because Psych or UEDS have been bad albums. I don't expect her to sell music for the masses or to be a chartbreaker anymore.
The problem is that she is simply not willing to do the job as it is neccessary.
She released an album in 2010 and then...pretty much nothing.
No activity, no promo, no concerts, only one single.
One can't expect to be a respected singer while not singin your own songs at all, to put it simply.
So, why this lack of activity?
I've seen her in Montpellier, she still has the stage presence and the radiance, she still can do it. But she chooses not to.
As Jung has already said, i believe she wants BIG or nothing. Big is no longer an option, and she refuses to do small.
Which is a shame, i have been to a couple of small concerts in france last year and they were all magnificent.
For example i have seen Julie Zenatti in Paris, she's also no big star, album sells moderately at best, and on top of it all she was highly pregnant at the time. Nevertheless she took to the stage, delivered a great show and her fans loved her for it. You should have seen the adoration in their eyes.
That is how you maintain your niche and the support of the public and your fans, by being out there and showing that you care.
That is how you prove that "Je veux durer" is true.

Alizée is not willing to do this and that is why she fails. Honest work, show your passion for what you are doing and people will respect you.

I'm still a fan and i still keep an eye on her, but as long as she is not willing to invest more into her career i don't expect much for the future.

And before you start bashing me, that is not how i wish things to be, but i prefer to attend to reality.

Sooo True....you nailed it.

[Fèvier]

Maybe people have already provided this information time and time again, but you fail to understand or choose not to read those posts.

It's funny, I never seen you at any of the Alizee concerts, Sony meeting nor in Paris when I am there...but I don't know what I am talking about.



Sooo True....you nailed it.

No need to keep up with the attitude MM :p

And all we can do is wait for her to really get her act together :o

[Scruffydog777]

Well, coming late to this discussion and reading through all of it, here is my view of things.
I'm afraid that her career as a singer is pretty much at an end.
Why?
Not because Psych or UEDS have been bad albums. I don't expect her to sell music for the masses or to be a chartbreaker anymore.
The problem is that she is simply not willing to do the job as it is neccessary.
She released an album in 2010 and then...pretty much nothing.
No activity, no promo, no concerts, only one single.
One can't expect to be a respected singer while not singin your own songs at all, to put it simply.
So, why this lack of activity?
I've seen her in Montpellier, she still has the stage presence and the radiance, she still can do it. But she chooses not to.
As Jung has already said, i believe she wants BIG or nothing. Big is no longer an option, and she refuses to do small.
Which is a shame, i have been to a couple of small concerts in france last year and they were all magnificent.
For example i have seen Julie Zenatti in Paris, she's also no big star, album sells moderately at best, and on top of it all she was highly pregnant at the time. Nevertheless she took to the stage, delivered a great show and her fans loved her for it. You should have seen the adoration in their eyes.
That is how you maintain your niche and the support of the public and your fans, by being out there and showing that you care.
That is how you prove that "Je veux durer" is true.

Alizée is not willing to do this and that is why she fails. Honest work, show your passion for what you are doing and people will respect you.

I'm still a fan and i still keep an eye on her, but as long as she is not willing to invest more into her career i don't expect much for the future.

And before you start bashing me, that is not how i wish things to be, but i prefer to attend to reality.


I think the main reason Alizee didn't do much of anythig in 2010 is from what we heard, CM went off on their own tour and she had to wait til they got back to schedule her own tour, but they should have made some preliminary plans for Alizee to do her own concerts and tour, with CM, soon after the album was released. It should have all been pre-arranged and if it wasn't, once again it points to poor management. But it could have been a case where they had no concrete plans in place, they were just watching to see how the album did and would make plans in accordance with how the album was doing, but CM saw the new album wasn't doing well so they decided to beat feet and cut their losses and left Alizee high and dry.

At this point, if Alizee wanted to do smaller venues, she would have had to come up with another band, and that would be time consuming in itself.

So their wasn't much Alizee could have done at this point. It appears CM abandoned her and maybe they were smart in doing so, but it's something she didn't know how to react to. How could she make any plans on her own?
She was waiting for CM to return so she could make plans, then in the mean time the French media comes out and labels her album a flop.

So I can't really blame her for her lack of activity in 2010 and I still deeply believe in her, but major changes need to be made, starting at the top and I firmly believe there will be a day where she will rise to the top of the charts.

[Bigdan]

To be a little bit more positive, she still got the luck of being connected with some of the best sellers of the music market .
I mean she's obviously apreciate par JJ Goldman ( is in the "Alice" number, in the Enfoires), one of the biggest artist and producer in France, she's a good friend of Nolween, who just surprised everybody with the very good sale of her last album, friend with Jenifer ( who won the NRJ award ), and apreciated by the BB brunes... well, what I mean it's she still can find the good person to do something new and to relaunch her carreer.







.

[Fenris]

I think the main reason Alizee didn't do much of anythig in 2010 is from what we heard, CM went off on their own tour and she had to wait til they got back to schedule her own tour, but they should have made some preliminary plans for Alizee to do her own concerts and tour, with CM, soon after the album was released. It should have all been pre-arranged and if it wasn't, once again it points to poor management. But it could have been a case where they had no concrete plans in place, they were just watching to see how the album did and would make plans in accordance with how the album was doing, but CM saw the new album wasn't doing well so they decided to beat feet and cut their losses and left Alizee high and dry.

At this point, if Alizee wanted to do smaller venues, she would have had to come up with another band, and that would be time consuming in itself.

So their wasn't much Alizee could have done at this point. It appears CM abandoned her and maybe they were smart in doing so, but it's something she didn't know how to react to. How could she make any plans on her own?
She was waiting for CM to return so she could make plans, then in the mean time the French media comes out and labels her album a flop.

So I can't really blame her for her lack of activity in 2010 and I still deeply believe in her, but major changes need to be made, starting at the top and I firmly believe there will be a day where she will rise to the top of the charts.

Oh come on Scruffy, now it's CM who is reponsible?
No offense, i can understand that her fans defend her, but it's very convenient to put the blame always elsewhere. In 2008 it was the incompetent Concert Manager, and now it's CM?
I remember a pretty early interview with CM in 2010, where they stated that they know nothing of any plans to do a tour with Alizée. Additionally Alizée still talked about a concert in autumn when it was already well known that Rob and CM would be on tour and not be present.
Lastly, as Bigdan said, Alizée is well connected to the french music community and if she wanted she could find dozens of more than qualified musicians who can play her UEDS stuff.

Yeah, she has the talent to play a greater role in the future, but she must be willing to actually work for it.
For example, Christophe Maé, who is a real big Star in France at the moment, will be coming to Munich in April to play in a small club for maybe 200 people.
This man can probably fill the Stade de France, but he is willing to come to Germany where french music is of zero importance and sing for a few hundred people. Is it asked to much of Alizée to show this level of commitment?
Especially when she is a nobody atm?

[lefty12357]

It seems to me that Alizée has been following somewhat the process she learned from her days with Mylène. You record an album, distribute through a major label, do some interviews, TV shows, get radio airplay, do autograph signings and book larger venue concerts. But the world has changed, the music industry has changed, Alizée and her career have changed. Everything is different and maybe Alizée is at a loss of how to operate in this new situation. Maybe it’s not that Alizée wants to do “BIG” or nothing at all. Maybe it’s that she only knows how to do “BIG”. Being that she seems to have a reputation for being stubborn and strong willed, maybe she is struggling to adapt to the new reality of her place in the music business and the paths that are open to her. Then again, maybe she’s not willing to work so hard for what she sees as so little in return.

If or when she figures out how to navigate through this new reality, and if or when she decides whether it’s something that is compatible with her career goals and the life she wants to live, then she might be in a position to make the most of what is possible for her. Personally, I do hope she keeps going. I would miss her voice. But then again, she may have already come to terms with all of this and is simply unwilling to do what is needed because it’s not compatible with her view of how she wants to live her life. It may be frustrating for us, but I guess that’s her prerogative.

[severianb]

It seems to me that Alizée has been following somewhat the process she learned from her days with Mylène. You record an album, distribute through a major label, do some interviews, TV shows, get radio airplay, do autograph signings and book larger venue concerts. But the world has changed, the music industry has changed, Alizée and her career have changed. Everything is different and maybe Alizée is at a loss of how to operate in this new situation. Maybe it’s not that Alizée wants to do “BIG” or nothing at all. Maybe it’s that she only knows how to do “BIG”. Being that she seems to have a reputation for being stubborn and strong willed, maybe she is struggling to adapt to the new reality of her place in the music business and the paths that are open to her. Then again, maybe she’s not willing to work so hard for what she sees as so little in return.

If or when she figures out how to navigate through this new reality, and if or when she decides whether it’s something that is compatible with her career goals and the life she wants to live, then she might be in a position to make the most of what is possible for her. Personally, I do hope she keeps going. I would miss her voice. But then again, she may have already come to terms with all of this and is simply unwilling to do what is needed because it’s not compatible with her view of how she wants to live her life. It may be frustrating for us, but I guess that’s her prerogative.

Sometimes, someone posts, and just pure truth pours out. I'm proud to be a fan of Alizée and of Lefty.

[OGRE]

Once upon a time there was a young teen "girl" who wanted to dance. But the contest didn't offer singles dancing, so the the teen entered as a singer.

Once upon a time, a producer/singer was looking for a young teen "girl" who could connect with songs the producer/singer had written for that genre.

The producer/singer just happened to be see the young teen perform, provided an audition, and a star was born....singing and dancing her way to the top of the world.

For the genre and girl, this is/was once in a lifetime.

Now the teen is a young woman. There is no repeat of the genre and theme. However, there are NEW genres and NEW themes ripe for production. The key is finding them, and finding the ones that both the singer and the fans enjoy. And then finding the packaging (i.e., producer, marketing, choreography, etc.) that is able to bring it all together.

Time will tell. And there are many years to come.

[Euphoria]

Come on, seriously? People, stop making excuses for her, its becoming really transparent. How can she only know how to do big? Its not hard to do a small venue, but guess what....she doesn't do them, which most likely means she doesn't want to. And yeah, MF waits a few years in between albums, but the difference is that her albums sold and had 5 major tours. Mylene has done very few interviews and I've never heard of her having an autograph signing. You can defend Alizee until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the facts.

[Fèvier]

Come on, seriously? People, stop making excuses for her, its becoming really transparent. How can she only know how to do big? Its not hard to do a small venue, but guess what....she doesn't do them, which most likely means she doesn't want to. And yeah, MF waits a few years in between albums, but the difference is that her albums sold and had 5 major tours. Mylene has done very few interviews and I've never heard of her having an autograph signing. You can defend Alizee until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the facts.

Honestly, what do you expect from members of a forum dedicated to her? You're points are very much valid but you have to understand that sometimes turning a blind eye is what keeps some fans going. (I said some!)

[Euphoria]

Umm, rationality? Maybe being realistic? I guess that is too much to expect on here. People say that I'm mean and harsh but, I'm still a fan. I think she is beautiful and talented but it's basically being wasted at this point. :)

[Fèvier]

Umm, rationality? Maybe being realistic? I guess that is too much to expect on here. People say that I'm mean and harsh but, I'm still a fan. I think she is beautiful and talented but it's basically being wasted at this point. :)

Jeje. If everyone were realistic and thought rationally, the world would be a lot better. A world of flaws makes things a hell of a lot imore interesting :p

[BlackAnthem]

Allow me to bring up this interesting piece of information:

When in ITUNES FRANCE search Alizee:

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=1646

I am fairly sure this summarizes where her career is going. The French people want the old Lolita back. Only two of her recent songs are on here. Strictly speaking of her songs we can see by the chart ORGANIZED BY POPULARITY that her older albums were a bigger success. Not news.

Now we can also see another obvious piece of information. Her new albums have created no such stir as her other albums.

So her next album/single will DEFINE her path. Whether it is more similar to the old or new. All in her hands. I would say at this point we can assume no more and just wait it out.

So let's wait for a month or two. Wait for some news.

[JoeNY]

Come on, seriously? People, stop making excuses for her, its becoming really transparent. How can she only know how to do big? Its not hard to do a small venue, but guess what....she doesn't do them, which most likely means she doesn't want to. And yeah, MF waits a few years in between albums, but the difference is that her albums sold and had 5 major tours. Mylene has done very few interviews and I've never heard of her having an autograph signing. You can defend Alizee until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the facts.Not wanting to do it and not knowing how or having the experience to do it are 2 different things, so please stop calling her lazy. :mad: Alizee was a teen snatched out of high school. She's a professional entertainer who sings and dances. I have read about other bands and singers who have had similar problems with the business side of the music industry such as promotion and marketing. Alizee does not have a paid staff to work on these things, and it's pretty much the job of the record company who signs her to do this. They are the people who have the experienced staff on hand and the contacts with the TV and radio stations. I'm sure the business side is new to Alizee, and probably a pain for her. I just wish some big record company could see the potential in Alizee and handle the business side of managing a career for her.

[Euphoria]

Not wanting to do it and not knowing how or having the experience to do it are 2 different things, so please stop calling her lazy. :mad: Alizee was a teen snatched out of high school. She's a professional entertainer who sings and dances. I have read about other bands and singers who have had similar problems with the business side of the music industry such as promotion and marketing. Alizee does not have a paid staff to work on these things, and it's pretty much the job of the record company who signs her to do this. They are the people who have the experienced staff on hand and the contacts with the TV and radio stations. I'm sure the business side is new to Alizee, and probably a pain for her. I just wish some big record company could see the potential in Alizee and handle the business side of managing a career for her.

You know why big record companies don't promote her? She's not bringing in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[JoeNY]

You know why big record companies don't promote her? She's not bringing in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.I understand that. They listen to her songs and can pretty much predict they won't sell, but go through the motions anyway. If the product was better, they would have done a better job in promoting it. Yes, Alizee needs to assemble a better team to give her marketable songs. I will call Mylene tomorrow and arrange it. :p

[HelixSix]

You know why big record companies don't promote her? She's not bringing in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
If you don't have a good record company or solid partnerships to begin with the money most likely won't come in. It's circular, but you are just putting the blame on Alizée constantly.

You won't be a very good quarterback if your receiver can't catch, and you won't be a good receiver if your quarterback can't throw. One thing we know already is that Alizée can play.

[Euphoria]

If you don't have a good record company or solid partnerships to begin with the money most likely won't come in. It's circular, but you are just putting the blame on Alizée constantly.

You won't be a very good quarterback if your receiver can't catch, and you won't be a good receiver if your quarterback can't throw. One thing we know already is that Alizée can play.

I guess RCA and Jive Records aren't big enough.

[Deepwaters]

It's been my belief for some time now that Alizée has chosen not to pursue the kind of mega-success she had in the past because it would likely destroy her marriage if she did (and succeeded).

Jérémy made the decision himself, quite a while back, to pursue his own artistic career in obscurity. He no longer performs. He writes music for other performers only, and people who listen to those performers and like the music often don't know who he is, unless they're music geeks. He isn't very famous any longer. He can go out in public pretty much anonymously, and according to Alizée in interviews, that's what he wants; the further he is from the public eye, the happier he is. But as Alizée's husband, his ability to do that conflicts with her being a big star. I believe all this rose to a head between them during the promotion of Psychédélices, and is the reason Jérémy no longer writes music for her or has anything to do with her career.

I have no inside knowledge of this, but it makes sense to me. It explains a lot of things that are otherwise puzzling. If I'm right, then there is probably no cure.

[OGRE]

If I'm right, then there is probably no cure.

Pas de remède pour le vent?

There must be a hit single in there somewhere. Or, perhaps the following would be better:

Le remède pour le vent

Or

Le vent est le remède

[Scruffydog777]

Oh come on Scruffy, now it's CM who is reponsible?


When Alizee screws up, I'm usually the one cutting her a new behind. But if I don't tend to know the full story I do tend to give her the benefit of the doubt. If it was some type of communication problem, I don't know. Maybe it was just something they didn't properly set up in which case it falls under management which I'm constantly bashing. If it was a failure on her part to work on it, to set it up, then she should be taken almost completely out of the decision making process and someone brought in who knows how to get things done.

.............. But the world has changed, the music industry has changed, Alizée and her career have changed. .

Not wanting to do it and not knowing how or having the experience to do it are 2 different things, so please stop calling her lazy. .

Part of the way things were handled after UEDS came out and didn't do well in France I think were do to the fact she didn't really know how to react to failure, though you think she would have learned something after the failed concerts in Paris. The music world is certainly changing and she would have had trouble in the old world, but this new world is making things much harder on her.

I don't know or pretend to know what goes on in Alizee's life. She keeps it so private it's impossible to tell. You would think now that Annily is in school that she would have a lot of time to devote to her career, yet we see absolutely no sign of it. Is she spending a lot of her time helping Jeremy out with his business or maybe she's spending a lot of her time playing video games? I have no idea. But like I said before, if she decides to produce another album, it better not be business as usual. I believe if there is another album, it will be her last chance to get it right.

[pepelepew]

The most frustrating part for me as a fan is the almost complete lack of information about what has gone on or is going on in her music career. As you said Scruffy, she is very private about it all. If I only knew whether her career was continuing or over I would be able to get excited or start grieving depending on the information. Alizee really is a special talent and the hope that she will catch a break with the right professionals keeps the hope alive for me. Even if she started being a guest in other musicians projects would keep my interest. She may have to go down that path for a while. I don't see her completely abandoning the music scene even if she has to get creative. I think it is in her blood. The music industry is cut throat and a bit lazy. Only focusing on the next new stars and a narrow vision for what they are looking for. It is way too competative to do otherwise. In my opinion she will have to be struck once again by that lucky star she talks about. In other words another serious break similar to the first one, otherwise I don't see her making another album. I certainly hope she makes me out to be a fool.:)

[Chuck]

It's been my belief for some time now that Alizée has chosen not to pursue the kind of mega-success she had in the past because it would likely destroy her marriage if she did (and succeeded) [ ... ] If I'm right, then there is probably no cure.

Pas de remède pour le vent?

There must be a hit single in there somewhere. Or, perhaps the following would be better:

Le remède pour le vent

Or

Le vent est le remède

Possiblement, Deep a voulu dire qu'il n'existe pas un remède pour les couples mariés qui essaient de travailler ensemble ?

Or possibly, Ogre was making these windy remarks ("who'll cure the wind" my eye) while also alluding tho Alizée herself ("trade wind") and perhaps he even dares to triple-entendre us w.r.t her record sales ("les ventes")??? :eek:

Or maybe Deepwaters, you meant like, there's no cure for Alizée but Alizée? :confused:


Oh shit, that just so goes with what Ogre was sayin: le vent est le remède ... "The wind is the cure"! I think I almost get it now! :)



So, breaking in like the wind, I'm here to try to blow some of this ponderous philosophical debate along a bit... It's great that no one truly knows Alizée but Alizée. It's a wonderful thing. And it sucks that there's so little actual news about her lately for us to really get all hyped about.

But Just The Same, Packers WON It !! WHOOOOOO !!!!


(oKay, sorry, please resume mature discussion now.)
:p

[Euphoria]

I guess the whole crux of all this is I just don't think Alizee has a passion for singing. Not every musician or artist does, sometimes you do it because you have the natural talent or an amazing opportunity. I sang for years, I play flute and piano, but music just isn't my passion. If you don't have a passion for your career, its hard to keep going, especially if you're making mistakes or failing. It's never going to be one thing that is keeping someone from being successful.

[Merci Alizée]

I guess the whole crux of all this is I just don't think Alizee has a passion for singing. Not every musician or artist does, sometimes you do it because you have the natural talent or an amazing opportunity. I sang for years, I play flute and piano, but music just isn't my passion. If you don't have a passion for your career, its hard to keep going, especially if you're making mistakes or failing. It's never going to be one thing that is keeping someone from being successful.

It's true that passion drives you and your passion, effort and success are in an order most of the time. But for the efforts to result in success your environment and your adaptation according to that is very crucial. Otherwise you fail to realize what's going on around you or you're late to realize it which may result in wrong decisions.

For me it's hard to think that she has no passion for singing. If you don't have passion then you can't keep on going without getting success. She hasn't been very successful enough to keep interested with lack of passion. I mean if you don't want to, then you can carry on for some time, but not for years. Dragging yourself is even more difficult when you are don't have any sort of constraint to do it. But she doesn't seem to have any problems like that. I mean she is not in any kind of financial trouble or any other problem. She has got a kid who needed attention during all these years. She had enough reasons to keep herself out of these things. But she didn't and without passion it wouldn't have been possible.

She needs to learn from whatever has happened in her career till now and make better efforts towards the weak links.

[Bigdan]

It's true that passion drives you and your passion, effort and success are in an order most of the time.

She's definitively not " Willow Smith" kind of person...:rolleyes:
The kind who know exactly what she want to do at 7.
I mean, she came for dance casting and win the singer one. Then she become N°1 everywhere in Europe at the age of 15.
She didn't really had a lot of time to ask herself what she really want to do...
All her choice were the kind you can't refuse...

So, i think it must be a little perturbing to be is this position. You maybe not implicate yourself the same way...

[Azhiri]

I think she likes to sing and perform, of course. But I also think the drive and passion she once had for her career took a backseat to Annily. She has a family now; maybe that's her passion.

[JoeNY]

I think she likes to sing and perform, of course. But I also think the drive and passion she once had for her career took a backseat to Annily. She has a family now; maybe that's her passion.Don't blame Annily. Alizee's career nosedived as soon as Mr. Yoko Ono, Jeremy Chatelain, came between the tandem of Alizee and Mylene. There, I said it. ;) Forgive me Alizee if you still care for this person who killed our golden goose. JC giving up his "music career" for you is nowhere near the impact of you sacrificing your career for him. I hope it was worth it.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Well JoeNY, I believe that Jeremy is the one that still has a decent career, please correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:. Neither one of them quit what they do for the other ones sake. They both still do what they want, it just seems Jeremy is a little more motivated and successful because of it. They pretty much stay out of each others business.

Honestly don't see how you can blame someone that she is with on her own accord. Specially when he stays out of her professional business for the most part.

Regards,

Jung

[Azhiri]

Don't blame Annily. Alizee's career nosedived as soon as Mr. Yoko Ono, Jeremy Chatelain, came between the tandem of Alizee and Mylene. There, I said it. ;) Forgive me Alizee if you still care for this person who killed our golden goose. JC giving up his "music career" for you is nowhere near the impact of you sacrificing your career for him. I hope it was worth it.

This is of course pure speculation, but I don't think anyone came between anyone else. I mean, that's what she SHOULD be doing: focusing on her family. Jeremy still has a respectable music career, he's just backstage.

also, is that a hint of Jeremy resentment? ;)

[JoeNY]

Well JoeNY, I believe that Jeremy is the one that still has a decent career, please correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:. Neither one of them quit what they do for the other ones sake. They both still do what they want, it just seems Jeremy is a little more motivated and successful because of it. They pretty much stay out of each others business.

Honestly don't see how you can blame someone that she is with on her own accord. Specially when he stays out of her professional business for the most part.

Regards,

JungI believe Jeremy had his hands all over that disaster Psychedelices CD and tour. The notion that Alizee wasn't comfortable with the Lolita image that Mylene created is such BS. Alizee already left that image behind with the Gourmandises album. There was nothing 'Lolita' about J'en Ai Marre or other songs on MCE. Lots of adult maintsream ballads. Jeremy probably told Mylene to buzz off and that he'd manage Alizee's career. What could have been. :(

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I believe Jeremy had his hands all over that disaster Psychedelices CD and tour.

Ok so he wrote a little bit for a couple songs, did some designs, and produced the album. yeah all over it:rolleyes:. He had nothing to do with the tour, there are even shows that were done where he was no where to be seen.

There was nothing 'Lolita' about J'en Ai Marre or other songs on MCE. Lots of adult maintsream ballads.

What's that one gif of her floating around all those college and gaming sites of again? And what group of people was MCE marketed to again?

Thanks for playing,

Jung

[Euphoria]

I believe Jeremy had his hands all over that disaster Psychedelices CD and tour. The notion that Alizee wasn't comfortable with the Lolita image that Mylene created is such BS. Alizee already left that image behind with the Gourmandises album. There was nothing 'Lolita' about J'en Ai Marre or other songs on MCE. Lots of adult maintsream ballads. Jeremy probably told Mylene to buzz off and that he'd manage Alizee's career. What could have been. :(

Well, technically you're right. Lolita refers to older men lusting after a young girl. While the songs on MCE were more mature, they definitely did not lack in sexual innuendos. I mean, J'en Ai Marre is about Alizee umm "exploring" her body. If you can read in between the lines, its pretty explicit. Then there is A Contre Courant which is about two f*ck buddies. She also mentions uhh...exploring again, when they are separated. Then we have Hey Amigo which is about a young girl that falls into prostitution. It always boggled my mind how she sang that song with such joy, its really a sad story. So, I kinda half agree with you. While MCE wasn't "Lolita" it was definitely sexual and had a ton of innuendos.

[lefty12357]

Actually Psych did pretty well when you include international sales. Personally, I liked Psych (and still do). Since Alizée's first album, sales have dropped off with each new album, including MCE. So with or without Mylene, there has been a down trend all along. Often that's the result when you start out at the top. It is truly amazing when an artist or a group can stay at or near the top for a long time, but it's definitely not the norm.

I suppose it's human nature to want to assign blame to somebody when things don't go the way we want them to. People have blamed Alizée, her team, Jeremy, the French music buying public, the music industry, promotional efforts (or lack thereof), the record company and everyone in between. And yes, maybe some or all may deserve some blame. But I don't really believe anyone single-handedly messed up Alizée's career. There are a lot of complex factors at play.

[User22]

What's that one gif of her floating around all those college and gaming sites of again? And what group of people was MCE marketed to again?

Thanks for playing,

Yeah Joe, how does an 18-year-old woman singing about being in a bathtub not sound like a Lolita role?

[JoeNY]

Well, technically you're right. Lolita refers to older men lusting after a young girl. While the songs on MCE were more mature, they definitely did not lack in sexual innuendos. I mean, J'en Ai Marre is about Alizee umm "exploring" her body. If you can read in between the lines, its pretty explicit. Then there is A Contre Courant which is about two f*ck buddies. She also mentions uhh...exploring again, when they are separated. Then we have Hey Amigo which is about a young girl that falls into prostitution. It always boggled my mind how she sang that song with such joy, its really a sad story. So, I kinda half agree with you. While MCE wasn't "Lolita" it was definitely sexual and had a ton of innuendos.I didn't want to fingerpoint and play the blame game because it's crying over spilled milk. It's a little late to do it now since I'm sure the Jeremy topic was covered and beaten to death over 5 years ago. It's just that every time someone brings up an old interview, everything Alizee says is rehashed all over again. Is Alizee saying she was innocent and felt uncomfortable with the sexy images that Mylene presented? Is Alizee saying she was not the innocent little girl that Mylene wanted her to be? I'm not going to fault Alizee for any career mistakes she may have made from age 15 through 20. She grew up listening to and watching Madonna (a.k.a. Supertramp) sell music through sex to a generation of kids. She has to know what the business is about. Image is everything. Now if her cultural and familial upbringing made her feel uncomfortable in selling just a sexy image, that's her business. You can't fault her for her values. There has to be a balance somewhere that can use Alizee's talents without sacrificing her values. She better think of something soon. Her beauty is only going to last another 30 years. Forty years at the most. :p

Edit:

Yeah Joe, how does an 18-year-old woman singing about being in a bathtub not sound like a Lolita role?Well, I don't know a word of French. Judging by Mylene's horrible, juvenile lyrics from English versions of I'm Fed Up and I'm Not Twenty, I don't want to know. :D Alizee could be singing in French about shopping for groceries or cooking dinner, and it would still sound like poetry to my ears. As long as she has Boutonnat composing the music (who needs Mylene's lyrics). I say it because it's true. :p Amelie and L'e-mail A Des Ailes sound like adult contemporary to me.

[User22]

Her beauty is only going to last another 30 years. Forty years at the most. :p

That is the most barefaced lie I have ever seen on this forum to date. Just letting you know ;)

*Turns on switch labeled "Maturity"*

So I see Alizee's career still in it's cocoon. Does anyone else agree? Because this cannot be the slow death to her career; there is just too much talent that would be wasted if it ends within the next 3-5 years, let alone 30 years. Because Alizee's talent, in my eyes, towers over everyone else's by about 5,060 feet to be exact. I would just hate for things to start simmering out and eventually fading away. That is why this "new album in late 2012" rumor better turn into a plan/fact, and fast!

[Scruffydog777]

As far as Jeremy is concerned, I don't think he had a thing to do with Psych, which is a shame. I think because he loves her so much, he just sat back and let her do things exactly the way she wanted to do them. From what I've read in here and in AF, he's good at what he does and Alizee really could have used some constructive criticism from him and didn't get it. But I can't really blame him for that. If I was in his position, I would have wanted her to do what ever made her happiest.

[JoeNY]

As far as Jeremy is concerned, I don't think he had a thing to do with Psych, which is a shame. I think because he loves her so much, he just sat back and let her do things exactly the way she wanted to do them. From what I've read in here and in AF, he's good at what he does and Alizee really could have used some constructive criticism from him and didn't get it. But I can't really blame him for that. If I was in his position, I would have wanted her to do what ever made her happiest.I looked up Jeremy's 2 CD releases. Not exactly a hit maker. Paris Hilton may have sold more CDs than him. :D

Alizee is only 27. Her career in entertainment whether it be acting, singing, or hosting a TV show is far from unrecoverable. Look at Britney Spears who has about 1/10th of the talent and looks of Alizee. She has risen from the dead about a dozen times already. Hard to believe that no-talent, average-looking Britney has sold over 100 million albums only because she's the best the U.S. has to offer. Alizee would have crushed the Britneys and Aguileras if she would have come to the U.S. back in 2000.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I looked up Jeremy's 2 CD releases. Not exactly a hit maker.

Well Jeremy doesn't exactly make his money off of his old CD's, however he is rather prevalent in the music industry at the moment. He does fine for himself and brings in quite some change.

Regards,

Jung

[lefty12357]

That is the most barefaced lie I have ever seen on this forum to date. Just letting you know ;)

*Turns on switch labeled "Maturity"*

So I see Alizee's career still in it's cocoon. Does anyone else agree? Because this cannot be the slow death to her career; there is just too much talent that would be wasted if it ends within the next 3-5 years, let alone 30 years. Because Alizee's talent, in my eyes, towers over everyone else's by about 5,060 feet to be exact. I would just hate for things to start simmering out and eventually fading away. That is why this "new album in late 2012" rumor better turn into a plan/fact, and fast!

I suppose it depends on how you define her career. If you mean huge popularity, TV shows, radio airplay, major record label contracts and large venue concert tours, maybe not. Those days may possibly be over. But she can still do smaller venues, record albums and sell them directly to fans or through a number of outlets. She can still do shows like the one in Israel and Les Enfoirés. There are still a lot of options open to her if the traditional doors become closed. But she is young and anything is possible. A lot of artists go through rough patches during their careers. Some bounce back and some just dial things down a bit. Others quit. I don't think Alizée intends to quit.

[Euphoria]

I didn't want to fingerpoint and play the blame game because it's crying over spilled milk. It's a little late to do it now since I'm sure the Jeremy topic was covered and beaten to death over 5 years ago. It's just that every time someone brings up an old interview, everything Alizee says is rehashed all over again. Is Alizee saying she was innocent and felt uncomfortable with the sexy images that Mylene presented? Is Alizee saying she was not the innocent little girl that Mylene wanted her to be? I'm not going to fault Alizee for any career mistakes she may have made from age 15 through 20. She grew up listening to and watching Madonna (a.k.a. Supertramp) sell music through sex to a generation of kids. She has to know what the business is about. Image is everything. Now if her cultural and familial upbringing made her feel uncomfortable in selling just a sexy image, that's her business. You can't fault her for her values. There has to be a balance somewhere that can use Alizee's talents without sacrificing her values. She better think of something soon. Her beauty is only going to last another 30 years. Forty years at the most. :p

Edit:

Well, I don't know a word of French. Judging by Mylene's horrible, juvenile lyrics from English versions of I'm Fed Up and I'm Not Twenty, I don't want to know. :D Alizee could be singing in French about shopping for groceries or cooking dinner, and it would still sound like poetry to my ears. As long as she has Boutonnat composing the music (who needs Mylene's lyrics). I say it because it's true. :p Amelie and L'e-mail A Des Ailes sound like adult contemporary to me.

Mylene is very poetic. But, 99% of what she writes has a double meaning. You can see it as innocent (for younger people) or mature, which is probably more of its true meaning. In her own songs, she writes some pretty raunchy stuff. You should read some of Alizee's song translations.

And yes, Mylene is terrible at writing English lyrics.

[Jake04]

I looked up Jeremy's 2 CD releases. Not exactly a hit maker. Paris Hilton may have sold more CDs than him. :D

Alizee is only 27. Her career in entertainment whether it be acting, singing, or hosting a TV show is far from unrecoverable. Look at Britney Spears who has about 1/10th of the talent and looks of Alizee. She has risen from the dead about a dozen times already. Hard to believe that no-talent, average-looking Britney has sold over 100 million albums only because she's the best the U.S. has to offer. Alizee would have crushed the Britneys and Aguileras if she would have come to the U.S. back in 2000.

Who? The same Aguilera who flubbed the national anthem, even though she'd done it a million times before? :D

[pepelepew]

Who? The same Aguilera who flubbed the national anthem, even though she'd done it a million times before? :DActually Christine is very talented in my opinion, however if she had to rely on singing the National Anthem as a career we would never have heard of her.Alizee definitely smokes Britney on all levels though.

[HelixSix]

Alizee is only 27.
She is still 26.

[Euphoria]

I suppose it depends on how you define her career. If you mean huge popularity, TV shows, radio airplay, major record label contracts and large venue concert tours, maybe not. Those days may possibly be over. But she can still do smaller venues, record albums and sell them directly to fans or through a number of outlets. She can still do shows like the one in Israel and Les Enfoirés. There are still a lot of options open to her if the traditional doors become closed. But she is young and anything is possible. A lot of artists go through rough patches during their careers. Some bounce back and some just dial things down a bit. Others quit. I don't think Alizée intends to quit.

I think we've stated before that if she wanted to do that, she would, but she hasn't. She wants to do big, she had to cancel concerts because not enough tickets sold in a venue that held 10,000 people, so I guess its all or nothing for her.

[Scruffydog777]

I think we've stated before that if she wanted to do that, she would, but she hasn't. She wants to do big, she had to cancel concerts because not enough tickets sold in a venue that held 10,000 people, so I guess its all or nothing for her.

If you are talking about the concerts that were cancelled at the Rex, it has a seating capacity of roughly 2.800.

[Fèvier]

If you are talking about the concerts that were cancelled at the Rex, it has a seating capacity of roughly 2.800.

Doesn't that make the situation seem even worse? :blink:

[Euphoria]

I thought there were two canceled concerts, but I was really just pulling a number out of my ass. And yes, Fevier, I'd say that's pretty bad. If I can recall correctly, only about 200 tickets sold. But, it doesn't matter, its all in the past now. I really hope she doesn't take two years to record another album. Honestly, it does not take that long and time is ticking. MF recorded an album right after a hugely successful tour, in less than a year and she is already working on another album with LB.

[Naft]

I thought there were two canceled concerts, but I was really just pulling a number out of my ass. And yes, Fevier, I'd say that's pretty bad. If I can recall correctly, only about 200 tickets sold. But, it doesn't matter, its all in the past now. I really hope she doesn't take two years to record another album. Honestly, it does not take that long and time is ticking. MF recorded an album right after a hugely successful tour, in less than a year and she is already working on another album with LB.

I agree, she needs to recover from the commercial failure that was UEDS and she can't really "slack" between the albums like before.

[Scruffydog777]

Doesn't that make the situation seem even worse? :blink:

Yes..........

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

I thought there were two canceled concerts,

Well two in France, two in Mexico, others else where. The only two that anyone seems to ever remember though is The Grand Rex, and um The Grand Rex.

Regards,

Jung

[User22]

I agree, she needs to recover from the commercial failure that was UEDS and she can't really "slack" between the albums like before.

Another member and I were talking about the new album releasing and the question popped up "Do you think she is going to take two years to record it because she plans on having a baby very soon?"

Just throwing that out there ;)

[Naft]

Another member and I were talking about the new album releasing and the question popped up "Do you think she is going to take two years to record it because she plans on having a baby very soon?"

Just throwing that out there ;)

I wonder if she has the economic finance to actually handle another baby, I think she'll release another album before that, although this is only speculation by me and I can't prove anything of it.

[pepelepew]

I wonder if she has the economic finance to actually handle another baby, I think she'll release another album before that, although this is only speculation by me and I can't prove anything of it.I don't know that Alizee is rich, but I haven't heard or seen anything that would indicate that finances would be a problem regarding another child. Another child is just speculation as well. I'm not even sure that the information about another album is even close to being confirmed. I am treating it all as speculation at this point.:confused:

[Scruffydog777]

I believe there were about 4 concerts scheduled in Europe besides the one at the Rex. The reason most people dont remember or dont count those other cancellations against her is they were cancelled well in advance but with the Rex concerts, they were more or less cancelled with in about 2 weeks of the concert when especially in the case of the first concert at the Rex, several fans had bought irrefundable airplane tickets and hotel rooms. When something hits you in the pocket like that, you don't forget it.

I do think the making of another album will be a long process. It's obvious the people of France will not settle for anything less than a very good album from her. One that at least has a couple of songs capable of breaking into the top 40 for a while, not just a couple of weeks.

To do that she will need to hook up with a very good song writer and very good band. Anything less than that and her chances of success will drop dramaticaly. Problem is any good band or writer whose willing to work with her might not be available right away. Could be a year before they have time for her.

Then there's the question of compensation. I really have no idea how the music industry works, but I would think in this case where you have what might be three different entities combining together for an album, the usual way of compensating them might be a little money up front, but the main compensation they would probably look for is commission. A take in all the album sales, concerts, fan paraphernalia sold etc.

But due to Alizee's recent lack of success, they might want a lot more money up front. Will this be a problem for Alizee? Will they (Her and Jeremy) be willing to pay out a lot of money on something that's not a sure thing?

Then there is talk of another baby. I think a woman whose had a baby and wants to have another, would rather have them fairly close together rather than waiting numerous years for the second one so I think there a very good chance she will look to expand her family now, but she has to make that decision of whether she wants a new album or a new baby right away. She can't start working on an album and say "Oops, time out! Looks like I have a bun in the oven. Y'all will have to hold on for a year or so." We all know her family means a lot more to her than her fans, so I think the next official news we get from her as opposed to hints we keep getting will be of another baby.

[Naft]

I don't know that Alizee is rich, but I haven't heard or seen anything that would indicate that finances would be a problem regarding another child. Another child is just speculation as well. I'm not even sure that the information about another album is even close to being confirmed. I am treating it all as speculation at this point.:confused:

I guess it depends on how you look at it. I heard from some source that an artist gets about 1$ of every 20$ CD that's sold, if the only thing she does is singing and attend to a few live performances she might be able to scrape up with enough to support a child, but I doubt she would by only the sales of UEDS. Then there is always the store where she probably gets a couple of hundreds from dedicated fans. Now that I think of it she might be able to support a child, but as Scruffy mentioned that would postpone another album even more.

[Euphoria]

I wonder if she has the economic finance to actually handle another baby, I think she'll release another album before that, although this is only speculation by me and I can't prove anything of it.

With Jeremy's income, I'm sure it's no issue. But, she is probably not making much from royalties from old albums, especially when she doesn't even have them for sale on her online store.

[User22]

Like Euphoria and Jung said, Jeremy does indeed have a steady plentiful income. Having a baby would be no problem financially for them. If she does I hope she takes time to think about it beforehand and notice that another "3 year hiatus" will be in store for the fans...

[severianb]

Like Euphoria and Jung said, Jeremy does indeed have a steady plentiful income. Having a baby would be no problem financially for them. If she does I hope she takes time to think about it beforehand and notice that another "3 year hiatus" will be in store for the fans...

As the Scruffmeister already pointed out, Lilly quite obviously puts family first. I think that fact and her seemingly comfortable financial situation trump any desire to "succeed at any cost". She's already been there. Done that. 5-6 years is decent spacing for kids. I wouldn't want to wait any longer.

Oh, and kids don't stop the world from turning. Gwen Stefani toured while pregnant. They just had to alter the stage outfits as she got bigger. 8-month preggers Lilly in a JEAM outfit anyone? Yes. I went there. :D

[Bigdan]

I think what happen recently to Nolween , can open some thinking.

First, I think the Nolween case is interesting cause she share a lot of thing with Alizée. They are friend, they were invited the same year in the Enfoirés, they have both been launch by a Tv show and got the same number of Album released.

After the release of her third album ( "Cheschire cat"), which was a flop, she decides to do something totally different. An album on classic Britanny songs.
(somethng like country music for Us standard ;) )

I follow , here in France, how people around me react and how critics treated this anoucement.
Everybody thought it was a bad idea and that, after the previous flop, she was now going " in the wall".

Well... surprising every critics, the album was rapidly n°1, outclassing Mylene Farmer in the weekly charts !

I 'm sure she only follow her instinct, in spite of what people were saying around her. It also show that this business is pretty unpredictable...


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[lefty12357]

I think what happen recently to Nolween , can open some thinking.

First, I think the Nolween case is interesting cause she share a lot of thing with Alizée. They are friend, they were invited the same year in the Enfoirés, they have both been launch by a Tv show and got the same number of Album released.

After the release of her third album ( "Cheschire cat"), which was a flop, she decides to do something totally different. An album on classic Britanny songs.
(somethng like country music for Us standard ;) )

I follow , here in France, how people around me react and how critics treated this anoucement.
Everybody thought it was a bad idea and that, after the previous flop, she was now going " in the wall".

Well... surprising every critics, the album was rapidly n°1, outclassing Mylene Farmer in the weekly charts !

I 'm sure she only follow her instinct, in spite of what people were saying around her. It also show that this business is pretty unpredictable...


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I believe most Americans are very familiar with this type of music and a lot of people like it. Folk music of certain regions in the US was influenced by this music and music similar to it when immigrants brought it over many, many years ago. Nolwenn's voice is perfectly suited for it and I think she did a great job. I certainly will be adding her album to my collection soon.

Of course Alizée will have to find her own niche, but Nolwenn's success should be encouraging to her, I hope. And yes, the music business is very unpredictable.

By the way, Bigdan, do you like "Bretonne"?

[FanDeAliFee]

I believe most Americans are very familiar with this type of music and a lot of people like it. Folk music of certain regions in the US was influenced by this music and music similar to it when immigrants brought it over many, many years ago.

And we are not even finished bringing new stuff over here! Submitted for your consideration, video shot at a ball (http://www.hungarianballatlanta.com/index.html) here in Atlanta last month.

Now, when I write "ball" in the same sentence as "Atlanta," I know y'all are expecting to see Scarlett (http://alizeeofficiel.tumblr.com/page/5) (see snapshot below) and Rhett - but hold on to your horses!

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So then, here is a shout out to the youthful Hungarian photographic attaché (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=155450&postcount=166) of Alizée America's 2010 Paris diplomatic mission, Aron14! Yes Aron, we really (http://nol.hu/lap/hetvege/20100904-szesztilalom_dontotte_romba_az_amerikai_budapestet ) do have a growing Hungarian-American and Hungarian community here in metro Atlanta.

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Why talk about Hungarians at francophile AAm? Start by noticing the surname nationality of the current French president, Monsieur "nagybócsai Sárközy." Then add that Paris in general, and Montmartre (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189828&postcount=24) in particular, is a very cosmopolitan place! Among Alizée's collaborators is one Tahiti Boy (http://www.rfimusique.com/musiqueen/articles/102/article_8071.asp) of the "Palmtree Family." Any mis-impression that this Parisian, David Sztanke, is Polynesian is undone by observing that his surname is in fact Hungarian. Tahiti Boy's 90+% French-accent-free SUNG English is a credit to his university study of our language in France and his four-year sojourn in New York City. Alizée fans probably know him best as the male vocalist (and driving force behind) the wonderful, free American-style Christmas songs which she helps sing each year. You can learn more about Tahiti Boy, who also co-composed the upbeat Grand Central for the CD UEdS, in video interviews here (http://www.mxdwn.com/2010/12/13/features/video-interview-with-david-sztanke-of-frances-tahiti-boy-and-the-palmtree-family/).

By the way, it happens that the score (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Z4DmualTc) for Gone With The Wind itself was the creation of a central European, a Vienna-born Jew named Max Steiner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Steiner). No doubt Steiner was disappointed when the Academy Award that year went to his colleague, Herbert Stothart for The Wizard of Oz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQYVqWNa7BY), the other WIND-themed film at the time.

[Scruffydog777]

The first comment I'd like to make is about Alizée's dancing. In this years Les Enfoires, as I'm sure is true every year for this show, I'm sure the participants don't have a whole lot of time for practicing their routines and many of them did very good jobs but I don't think any one else up there looked so good at it as her. She looked like she was practicing for months and the way she moves, looking beautiful just doing the simplest things, such as when they were banging the drum sticks or whatever they were over their heads, . It's just a joy to watch her dance and it's a shame she didn't come up with any credible dances for Psych.

With her next album, I think it's imperative she does come up with some good dance routines. Ultimately it will be the music that makes or breaks the album, but if she comes up with a couple of maybe not great, but let's say good songs, a very good music video featuring her dancing abilities could do a lot to improve the type of success it has.

Another thing I'd like to discuss is we hit upon earlier whether during Psych whether Jeremy was calling too many of the shots or whether it was a case of Alizee being too devoted to her family that had something to do with the album's lack of success. I had said several times before during her stage appearences of Psych, I thought she looked like a house wife because of the outfits she wore and her hair style.

So I wonder if her appearence on stage was mainly her choice. Did she think she could just show up on stage wearing sneakers and what ever else she pleased. Didn't have to dance any. It was her music the fans wanted to hear, or maybe it was case of Jeremy was a jealous husband who didn't want her appearing beautiful on stage. Didn't want fans salivating over her. Didn't want her appearing overly sexy on stage which would be so easy for her to do.
I personaly think it was probably a case of Alizee trying to do her own thing.

Lastly I'd like to discuss the ultimatum that supposedly was given to Alizee. As I more or less said before, I think there is a lot to this. This was a shot over the bow of the good ship Alizee.It was a warning, letting her know that if she's only going to work on her album when Jeremy is too busy with his work to devote any attention to her, and only when Annily is in school, then they don't want her wasting their time. If she is willing to do devote some serious time to this album, then they will work with her.

I think her career is at a very important turning point. It can only survive if she is willing to work hard at it, not just when she can find the time and if she decides this is the time to make another addition to the family (there might already be another bun in the oven), it will end any chance of her having a successful career in France. She will continue on, but any other good song and music writers and music studios will see her career comes second to her family and they will not want to waste their time on someone who isn't willing to make the type of sacrifice that needs to be made to put out a good album.

[Bigdan]

It's just a joy to watch her dance and it's a shame she didn't come up with any credible dances for Psych.

With her next album, I think it's imperative she does come up with some good dance routines.



Totaly agreed.



I had said several times before during her stage appearences of Psych, I thought she looked like a house wife because of the outfits she wore and her hair style.



yeah, me too.:(




Didn't want fans salivating over her.



you can't demand the impossible. :p




.

[Mon Maquis]

The first comment I'd like to make is about Alizée's dancing. In this years Les Enfoires, as I'm sure is true every year for this show, I'm sure the participants don't have a whole lot of time for practicing their routines and many of them did very good jobs but I don't think any one else up there looked so good at it as her. She looked like she was practicing for months and the way she moves, looking beautiful just doing the simplest things, such as when they were banging the drum sticks or whatever they were over their heads, . It's just a joy to watch her dance and it's a shame she didn't come up with any credible dances for Psych.

With her next album, I think it's imperative she does come up with some good dance routines. Ultimately it will be the music that makes or breaks the album, but if she comes up with a couple of maybe not great, but let's say good songs, a very good music video featuring her dancing abilities could do a lot to improve the type of success it has.

Another thing I'd like to discuss is we hit upon earlier whether during Psych whether Jeremy was calling too many of the shots or whether it was a case of Alizee being too devoted to her family that had something to do with the album's lack of success. I had said several times before during her stage appearences of Psych, I thought she looked like a house wife because of the outfits she wore and her hair style.

So I wonder if her appearence on stage was mainly her choice. Did she think she could just show up on stage wearing sneakers and what ever else she pleased. Didn't have to dance any. It was her music the fans wanted to hear, or maybe it was case of Jeremy was a jealous husband who didn't want her appearing beautiful on stage. Didn't want fans salivating over her. Didn't want her appearing overly sexy on stage which would be so easy for her to do.
I personaly think it was probably a case of Alizee trying to do her own thing.

Lastly I'd like to discuss the ultimatum that supposedly was given to Alizee. As I more or less said before, I think there is a lot to this. This was a shot over the bow of the good ship Alizee.It was a warning, letting her know that if she's only going to work on her album when Jeremy is too busy with his work to devote any attention to her, and only when Annily is in school, then they don't want her wasting their time. If she is willing to do devote some serious time to this album, then they will work with her.

I think her career is at a very important turning point. It can only survive if she is willing to work hard at it, not just when she can find the time and if she decides this is the time to make another addition to the family (there might already be another bun in the oven), it will end any chance of her having a successful career in France. She will continue on, but any other good song and music writers and music studios will see her career comes second to her family and they will not want to waste their time on someone who isn't willing to make the type of sacrifice that needs to be made to put out a good album.

I think Scruffy is right on track with everything he said on this. It's all very true.

I will say one thing, when I was leaving Monterrey Mexico, I saw her in the airport when I was leaving. She was leaving 1 gate down from me. Also, she had on her concert clothes....soooo I think that was her choice of what she wanted to wear.

[Fenris]

Yeah, Alizée has to pick up working seriously again, or this is it. No idea if she's actually willing to do it.
The Nolwenn case is indeed interesting, when i first heard of the new album and her singing in gaelic, i thought something like "OMG, this is the end of her carreer!"
Well, not only turned the album out to be a masterpiece, it had incredible success too!

So, the fortunes in music biz are pretty unpredictable...means Alizée still has a chance for a successful comeback, but she really has to put everything into it, part-time singer will not work.

[lefty12357]

To be honest, I don't think Jeremy has ever had much say in what Alizée does. That's not to say she never listens to him. And that's not to say he hasn't been heavily involved at times in her career. I just think Alizée decides whether she needs or wants his help with something. I doubt he's ever tried to force or coerce her to do anything.

[HelixSix]

Ultimately it will be the music that makes or breaks the album, but if she comes up with a couple of maybe not great, but let's say good songs, a very good music video featuring her dancing abilities could do a lot to improve the type of success it has.
I think the proof here is Cascada's song, Evacuate The Dancefloor. It's a hit pretty much because of the song itself. Even though the theme is about being in a club she doesn't do one legit move (unless you count rubbing her hair or hip with her hand a move). No routine, no moves, and she is out of shape compared to American standards but the song is still a hit because of the beat, how catchy it is and a decent video aside from her standing around the whole time.

If you simply replaced her with Alizée I bet it would be so much more popular. Then replace her with Alizée plus a slick dance routine and you can only imagine.

It's sad when good music gets wasted by a performer and when a good performer can't get good music.

[Junkmale]

Yeah, Alizée has to pick up working seriously again, or this is it. No idea if she's actually willing to do it.

So, the fortunes in music biz are pretty unpredictable...means Alizée still has a chance for a successful comeback, but she really has to put everything into it, part-time singer will not work.

This, in a nutshell, is and has been the problem with Alizee?
There has been no indication whatsoever that she is willing to put the effort in to make another successful album.
I doubt if that's going to change any time soon.
IF it dosen't change (and change quickly) then the prospects are not good.
There is still time (maybe) but her work rate and attitude have to change.

[Scruffydog777]

I think the one promising thing is, when I watched her performances during En Concert, I often found myself muttering to myself, "unbelievably beautiful!". Once again while watching her dance and perform during this years Les Enfoires, I once again find myself muttering to myself "Unbelievably beautiful!" She still has it. Will she use it to the best of her ability?

[lefty12357]

Yeah, it's all a matter of getting the right combination of music, performance and promotion together. Of course that's easier said than done, and there's no "easy" button for this. But Alizée definitely has what it takes.

[Roman]

I think some people get really frustrated and do a bit of lambasting Alizée. And I think people defend her and her choices while displaying an ignorance of the situation and even her opinions. If you want to know what Alizée thinks, you can read the interviews.

One point, of course money matters to Alizée. It matters to everyone unless they are super rich. And of course it matters to those who work with her.

Aside from that, you define what success means to you and then go look at the situation and say whether or not she has done whatever you came up with. If you have to resort to assumptions because you don't know enough of the history or haven't read enough of what Alizée and others have said, then you aren't really capable of realistically having this conversation. That's my opinion.

I have a hard time coming here because topics like this come up and it just makes me frustrated and depressed to think about Alizée's career because even though some of her performances are good and even her last album had an arguably unique and admirable quality, mostly related to her singing, she doesn't seem to be able to get any traction and make any movement. And it's depressing to have this same conversation year after year after year and see people write the same things about it - from those who think she has done horribly to those who seem to be in full wishful thinking mode and can't possibly face reality. So, I'm sorry if I've been around too long and seen too many missed opportunities and broken promises, but you created the thread and I happened to see it on a day that I felt like responding. That's my perspective. I'm sorry if an honest summation of it seems like attacking people.

I want to respect Alizée and wish I could admire her more for what she has actually done rather than being disappointed by what she hasn't, but her 'solo' career seems completely defunct. She has done well with Les Enfoirés and others it seems. And, she has connections; so, who knows, maybe she'll make a few new songs some day or something. Enjoy what you can of the world before it ends folks. bye for now

[Rev]

Yes. We have said this all before. And you're right, she has not gotten traction.

So... she tries again... and this time she either does or does not get traction. If so... Great. If not... then whatever happens next is what happens. I would like to see her succeed, but she either will or she won't. It's a tough business... tough to get on top and tough to stay on top.

She loves to perform. I hope she has many future opportunities to do so. :)

[FanDeAliFee]

I believe most Americans are very familiar with this type of music and a lot of people like it. Folk music of certain regions in the US was influenced by this music and music similar to it when immigrants brought it over many, many years ago.

Gosh, if I can feature a Hungarian folk dance (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=200022&postcount=155) here, why not a Corsican one? Good point!

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There are two dances of ancient origin found in Corsica: the caracollu, a women's funeral dance, and the moresca, illustrating the struggle between Moors and Christians.

One of the best examples of the Moresca can be seen in Franco Zeffirelli's 1968 production of Romeo and Juliet, which has a scene with Moresca characters and lavish, florid portrayal of the dance in the Capulet home.</td></tr></table>

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By the way, the English term Morris Dance: is believed to be a corruption of Moorish dance, i.e. it denotes a derivative of the Moresca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moresca).

Unfortunately, while some of Alizée's earlier songs reference Corsica, only Mon Maquis contains a genuine sample of Corsican musical culture. I will not hold my breath until she dances the Moresca!

[Scruffydog777]

I think some people get really frustrated and do a bit of lambasting Alizée. And I think people defend her and her choices while displaying an ignorance of the situation and even her opinions. If you want to know what Alizée thinks, you can read the interviews.

One point, of course money matters to Alizée. It matters to everyone unless they are super rich. And of course it matters to those who work with her.

Aside from that, you define what success means to you and then go look at the situation and say whether or not she has done whatever you came up with. If you have to resort to assumptions because you don't know enough of the history or haven't read enough of what Alizée and others have said, then you aren't really capable of realistically having this conversation. That's my opinion.

I have a hard time coming here because topics like this come up and it just makes me frustrated and depressed to think about Alizée's career because even though some of her performances are good and even her last album had an arguably unique and admirable quality, mostly related to her singing, she doesn't seem to be able to get any traction and make any movement. And it's depressing to have this same conversation year after year after year and see people write the same things about it - from those who think she has done horribly to those who seem to be in full wishful thinking mode and can't possibly face reality. So, I'm sorry if I've been around too long and seen too many missed opportunities and broken promises, but you created the thread and I happened to see it on a day that I felt like responding. That's my perspective. I'm sorry if an honest summation of it seems like attacking people.

I want to respect Alizée and wish I could admire her more for what she has actually done rather than being disappointed by what she hasn't, but her 'solo' career seems completely defunct. She has done well with Les Enfoirés and others it seems. And, she has connections; so, who knows, maybe she'll make a few new songs some day or something. Enjoy what you can of the world before it ends folks. bye for now

Hey Roman! It's good to see you in here again. You should stop by more often. A few weeks ago we discussed in here the fact that we wanted to have discussions that might be of a controversial nature, might be kind of depressing, might be critical of Alizee. We knew these discussions might get kind of heated so we decided to label any forum that might fall into this category as MDO, which means mad dog orations (with my forum name, I shouldn't have said that). Just kidding, it means mature discussion only (guess that leaves me out). So be forewarned that when ever you join in a forum with that label, it could be kind of depressing.

[User22]

Hey Roman! It's good to see you in here again. You should stop by more often. A few weeks ago we discussed in here the fact that we wanted to have discussions that might be of a controversial nature, might be kind of depressing, might be critical of Alizee. We knew these discussions might get kind of heated so we decided to label any forum that might fall into this category as MDO, which means mad dog orations (with my forum name, I shouldn't have said that). Just kidding, it means mature discussion only (guess that let's me out). So be forewarned that when ever you join in a forum with that label, it could be kind of depressing.

Yeah and I'm rarely in this thread so I don't want to be thought of as the person that created this depressing thread Roman. I was just doing what others suggested to make a Mature Discussion Only type of thread and hey, it worked out. But man, these conversations are indeed very depressing...I'm out :p

[Quantum]

I know nothing about Alizeé's motivation or work ethic. I do sense, as I noted long ago in one of my rare and infrequent posts in this forum, whoever is in the position of managing her career overall, is having a bit of a difficult time of it. In my opinion even at her current ripe age pushing 27 she still possesses the talent and ability to be a major industry influence. As well noted, her career choices have taken her down a different path in the past few years. That coupled with industry changes from when she was first launched, leave her career in some jeopardy.

Musical hits are doing well as are those performers on the tail (niche). It is middle-range audience that is shrinking, as reported by Billboard in the States and elsewhere. In Britain for example people in their 40s spent more on pop and rock music than teenagers or people in their 20s (TNS). Thus both genre appeal and demographics matter.

In my view to survive in this industry in any meaningful degree she must broaden her audience base, which must be reflected across the board in all her production values, not merely song selection. A strong vision is required by her and those managing her and a clearly charted path to achieve it. Else, she could easily wither into musical oblivion.

[HelixSix]

Yeah and I'm rarely in this thread so I don't want to be thought of as the person that created this depressing thread Roman. I was just doing what others suggested to make a Mature Discussion Only type of thread and hey, it worked out. But man, these conversations are indeed very depressing...I'm out :p
Unfortunately you made this thread on a day some people couldn't contain themselves from carrying over the same beaten to death negative subjects from other threads into this one. 20 minutes after it went up Euphoria drove her hate train right in here and so it was gonna be depressing from the start.

There are so many different ways the thread could go since it is a very general topic. I figured if any thread would stray many ways it would be this one but it's just one straight rope of negativity about the same subject. It doesn't have to be that way but it looks like the pessimists accomplished their mission.

[Euphoria]

Facts don't lie. :)

[Fèvier]

Facts don't lie. :)

And there you have it!

I see more realism than pessimism. Sure some posts are more opinion based but there have been many facts told as well. I'm not one to say that I know all about Alizée but I have much confidence in what the older/more connected members have to say. I don't like to discus her career for I would merely supply already discussed opinions of what I have been reading and I really only hope for the best. :)

[Azhiri]

I'm fairly certain this very discussion was the reason this thread was originally made. It was started elsewhere, but got a bit out of hand. It's essentially a continuation of that discussion. There's really not any other direction the thread could have taken.

As for the negativity, it is what it is. Alizee's career has been a bit on the negative side lately.

[Scruffydog777]

Why is it a straight rope of negativity? Because she has done nothing but make mistake after mistake starting with her biggest mistake of walking away from the two incredibly talented artists, MF and LB.

I had mentioned some time before that I thought of starting a thread of what should a fan forum be. It seems to me the large majority in here seems to think people should only come here to kiss her behind. Tell her she can do no wrong. Tell her everything she does is golden. I think a fan forum should be someplace where she can go, knowing it's people who love her music and if they are critical, it's honest criticism of things they think she is doing wrong. But if it wasn't for a thread like this, she would learn absolutely nothing. She'd keep walking straight for the edge of that cliff. Before this thread, anytime anyone made a negative post, they were looked upon as a pariah, and it shouldn't be that way.

After the Moscow concert, with my Stalingrad thread, I warned her career was in trouble and 2 cancelled concerts and an album that's been labeled a flop, it kind of looks like I knew what I was talking about. She re-orchestrated some of her classic songs into versions to be perfectly honest, I thought sounded like crap. That's no exaggeration. So many people in here said they sounded great. If they were so great, why didn't she re-release them as singles?

She chose to show up on stage wearing sneakers, and an outfit that must of had everybody in the Paris fashion industry cringing. The people of France, after having seen En Concert years earlier, then probably seeing her performances in Mexico, saw she was a shell of her former self and should it have been a surpise to her that they didn't want to see her show in Paris?

Then she came out with the song Hung up. She was surrounded by a throng of beautiful sexy young dancing girls, when all we wanted to see was her up there dancing.

Then UEDS came along. When it was first announced that she was going to be working with CM. I warned that this band was a poor fit for her voice. Listening to this album, I thought it did a much better job of bringing out the beauty in her voice, it's just the music added nothing to the performances.

Now I'm warning that if she wants to put out another album, she needs to get a new manager. Somebody who knows what they're doing. Somebody with the simple ability to listen to a new song of hers and tell her to her face whether or not it's good enough to do well in France.

She also needs to devote some serious attention to her career. It's hard to tell what goes on in Paris from 3,500 miles away. We have to rely so much on the postings of others. But it looks like since 2004, she has made sacrifices to her career for the sake of her family. Well if she truely does want to last, does want to matter, it's time for her to ask her family to make some sacrifices for her so she can devote the time it needs to put out a good album and tour.

My last warning is something I've said before. This next album will be her last chance to have a meaningful career in the music industry. If it fails, no record company, no good song writers or musicians will want to work with her. `

Back in 2009, I was probably the biggest donator to this forum. My financial situation changed a lot last year. I took out a $100,000 home equity loan so my sister could pay off her house (long story), so I'm paying over 1,200 a month on that. I still contribute on a monthly basis but I can't send in a little something extra every once in a while like I did before. Still I heard the forum was in financial trouble last month so I sent in an extra $100 this month.

Last year I'm sure you all know what I attempted to do with the radio ads. I'm still making payments on that. My point being do you think I would do all this if I didn't love her and her music? I don't want to criticize her but I feel she needs criticism. I refuse to stand idly by and watch her walk towards the edge of that cliff.

[rj.bagby]

Why is it a straight rope of negativity? Because she has done nothing but make mistake after mistake starting with her biggest mistake of walking away from the two incredibly talented artists, MF and LB.

I had mentioned some time before that I thought of starting a thread of what should a fan forum be. It seems to me the large majority in here seems to think people should only come here to kiss her behind. Tell her she can do no wrong. Tell her everything she does is golden. I think a fan forum should be someplace where she can go, knowing it's people who love her music and if they are critical, it's honest criticism of things they think she is doing wrong. But if it wasn't for a thread like this, she would learn absolutely nothing. She'd keep walking straight for the edge of that cliff. Before this thread, anytime anyone made a negative post, they were looked upon as a pariah, and it shouldn't be that way.

After the Moscow concert, with my Stalingrad thread, I warned her career was in trouble and 2 cancelled concerts and an album that's been labeled a flop, it kind of looks like I knew what I was talking about. She re-orchestrated some of her classic songs into versions to be perfectly honest, I thought sounded like crap. That's no exaggeration. So many people in here said they sounded great. If they were so great, why didn't she re-release them as singles?

She chose to show up on stage wearing sneakers, and an outfit that must of had everybody in the Paris fashion industry cringing. The people of France, after having seen En Concert years earlier, then probably seeing her performances in Mexico, saw she was a shell of her former self and should it have been a surpise to her that they didn't want to see her show in Paris?

Then she came out with the song Hung up. She was surrounded by a throng of beautiful sexy young dancing girls, when all we wanted to see was her up there dancing.

Then UEDS came along. When it was first announced that she was going to be working with CM. I warned that this band was a poor fit for her voice. Listening to this album, I thought it did a much better job of bringing out the beauty in her voice, it's just the music added nothing to the performances.

Now I'm warning that if she wants to put out another album, she needs to get a new manager. Somebody who knows what they're doing. Somebody with the simple ability to listen to a new song of hers and tell her to her face whether or not it's good enough to do well in France.

She also needs to devote some serious attention to her career. It's hard to tell what goes on in Paris from 3,500 miles away. We have to rely so much on the postings of others. But it looks like since 2004, she has made sacrifices to her career for the sake of her family. Well if she truely does want to last, does want to matter, it's time for her to ask her family to make some sacrifices for her so she can devote the time it needs to put out a good album and tour.

My last warning is something I've said before. This next album will be her last chance to have a meaningful career in the music industry. If it fails, no record company, no good song writers or musicians will want to work with her. `

Back in 2009, I was probably the biggest donator to this forum. My financial situation changed a lot last year. I took out a $100,000 home equity loan so my sister could pay off her house (long story), so I'm paying over 1,200 a month on that. I still contribute on a monthly basis but I can't send in a little something extra every once in a while like I did before. Still I heard the forum was in financial trouble last month so I sent in an extra $100 this month.

Last year I'm sure you all know what I attempted to do with the radio ads. I'm still making payments on that. My point being do you think I would do all this if I didn't love her and her music? I don't want to criticize her but I feel she needs criticism. I refuse to stand idly by and watch her walk towards the edge of that cliff.

As usual you are correct and to the point. Criticism is a good thing if done respectfully. I really hope she does get a good manager and perhaps goes toward the rock side of the pop music like en concert.

[Un-rêve]

There's nothing wrong with people venting out their frustrations concerning Alizée's carreer but the fact is we have all been spoilt rotten by Alizée in the past.

Sure it would be great to go back to how things were in the beginning.. mainly because of how she was adored by everyone in France and well all over Europe for that matter. Moi... Lolita was phenomenal! The public is fickle though and they lose interest, but we are FANS and that's the difference!

It's really not her fault that she's not BIG anymore. Yeah she could've done this and she could've done that (well she did) but the way I see it is.. every artist has their classic album, performances etc, and Alizée has hers.

She had to evolve as an artist and she has.. it's fine and we can always go back and listen to her other albums, and well that's the beauty of her having a carreer at all. I love her new album too though, solely because it's her who's singing but also because it's her work and what she wanted to do at that point in time.. there's still plenty of magic there. Well that pretty much sums it up but I'm just happy that she's still here 10 years on.

It's been a ride!


Btw.. just checkout 1:11 to 1:30 of this vid in Mexico even if you can't be bothered to watch the the whole thing.. it's beautiful!

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Alizée's carreer has been beautiful too. :wub:

[HelixSix]

I think a fan forum should be someplace where she can go, knowing it's people who love her music and if they are critical, it's honest criticism of things they think she is doing wrong. But if it wasn't for a thread like this, she would learn absolutely nothing. She'd keep walking straight for the edge of that cliff. Before this thread, anytime anyone made a negative post, they were looked upon as a pariah, and it shouldn't be that way.
Criticizing her is fine. But when you guys rage in thread after thread after thread so many times it gets very old. Especially when you guys seem to be proud of it. You make it a priority to try and prove what you think she has and is doing wrong at every opportunity. That is my issue.

This thread is no different from all the other ones you and other people have posted in. I can pull quotes going way back for at least a year of the same posts, especially for you and not just on this forum. You are just rehashing opinions and info you've already beaten to death. I mean whey keep going? It's like you have a vendetta against people on here who aren't screaming the sky is falling or that the apocalypse is coming if she doesn't follow your wisdom.

And you really think she is learning from you, in this forum? Do you think professional athletes go to their fan forums and take advice from people saying they had a bad game when they already know it? Is Kobe Bryant going to visit a fan site and listen to some maniac explain how to make more free throws or how to improve his jump shot? If they want help they go to people with actual knowledge of the game, like coaches or other players. If she is worried about the equipment on her next flight she will hit you up. But hey, even if she has considered what you've said on here I think she'd get it the first or second time...not the 100th.

brb I'm gonna go to the Eagles forum and say it was a bad idea for Vick to fight dogs and that if he wants to improve his image he should go on Oprah. Until he wins the superbowl I'm gonna repeat it. For years if I have to.

[severianb]

Alizée's carreer has been beautiful too. :wub:

Loved your post. I've got enough things to worry about without reading the negative (and sometimes hateful) posts here. I've got no illusions about influencing the career of a singer across the ocean. I've quite enjoyed her recent work, and have a positive outlook that we will see more.

:wub:

[Scruffydog777]

This thread is no different from all the other ones you and other people have posted in. I can pull quotes going way back for at least a year of the same posts, especially for you and not just on this forum. You are just rehashing opinions and info you've already beaten to death. I mean whey keep going? It's like you have a vendetta against people on here who aren't screaming the sky is falling or that the apocalypse is coming if she doesn't follow your wisdom.

And you really think she is learning from you, in this forum? you've said on here I think she'd get it the first or second time...not the 100th.



Oh it's okay for people to sing her praises day after day after day, but if somebody criticizes a few times, that's unforgivalbe and I'm sure you don't see the hypocrisy in that.

I have a vendetta against yes men. They say she can do no wrong, and because she has so many fans like that, her career is very near an end.

She could learn something if she cared enough about her fans to come here once in a while and there have been people in this forum who have suggested that there are people connected with her who do come to this forum.

These threads with the MDO label were created so people could discuss controversial topics. Topics that people have strong and widely different opinions on. I wanted such topics to be discussed in a private forum, but others here felt differently so here you have it. If you don't like it, I suggest you stay the hell out.

[Corsaire]

What is the point to complain about the content of a thread? If all applicable rules are respected, then all consenting members should be allowed to have the discussions they want without having to adopt any particular mood.

I haven’t participated to this thread yet because I have discussed this issue in the past and I find that there is not much more I can contribute or learn. This does not mean that I won’t participate in the future, but I just don’t feel like doing so right now. I would suggest that others who are not interested in discussing this particular topic (and the possible pessimistic mood that is associated with it) just avoid this thread. This seems like a reasonable and easy solution.

There are many members here who post stuff that I dislike. There are also plenty of threads that I really don’t care for. Some of the stuff I post myself probably irritates a fair share of members as well. So? What should we do about this? Create a specific list of topics that we will exclusively discuss and specific moods we will all be forced to adopt? These are public forums and there is no forcing such restrictions.

For those who want a more positive mood, I would suggest promoting just that in an attempt to counteract the perceived negativity and pessimism. For example, in the present thread, one could make more “positive” contributions and just keep to interactions with members who share the same views. Maybe that would make it more fruitful for people who find all this sad and depressing. Also, be inventive, created new threads, try new topics, or try to find a different angle to older topics...

[Mon Maquis]

I do agree with Scruffy again...

There is been soooo many times I say something about Alizee and say she was offered things (US promotions) but she choose to ignore them. Then I get flamed... or people say to me why do you act like know things...

So I don't post much anymore because of this...Because everyone does not want to hear that she does not care...

Sooooo... the promotions I had for Alizee then were given to another French artist... Has it helped them....YUP! Alizee's loss...

[pepelepew]

I do agree with Scruffy again...

There is been soooo many times I say something about Alizee and say she was offered things (US promotions) but she choose to ignore them. Then I get flamed... or people say to me why do you act like know things...

So I don't post much anymore because of this...Because everyone does not want to hear that she does not care...

Sooooo... the promotions I had for Alizee then were given to another French artist... Has it helped them....YUP! Alizee's loss...I have really enjoyed your posts Mon Maquis when you discussed Alizee's missed opportunities for US promotion and other tidbits from your direct knowledge. However the follow up statements that she doesn't care or it is Alizee's loss is a pure assumption or conclusion that is just your opinion. There are many possible reasons for her behaviour in many situations. Maybe you know more than what you share on this forum, but when you or others make statements without backing them up with facts it is frustrating and I tend to confront statements that aren't backed with facts especially when it is about Alizee. I'm really not trying to be critical. I am just explaining what influences me to confront fans and I may be judged as only wanting positive responses about Alizee. I know also that it is difficult to explain ourselves fully when comments are on a one dimensional format and not the luxury of voice, facial expressions, and hand gestures. That is why texting and Facebook bores the hell out of me. Any way I know we all have our opinions and pet peeves and my opinions will probably piss someone off, but I just wanted to interject my opinions for what it is worth. Oh! I also believe that almost everyone on this forum truly love Alizee and want the best for her.:)

[Chuck]

First, the best quote here of late:

There's nothing wrong with people venting out their frustrations concerning Alizée's carreer but the fact is we have all been spoilt rotten by Alizée in the past.

Sure it would be great to go back to how things were in the beginning.. mainly because of how she was adored by everyone in France and well all over Europe for that matter. Moi... Lolita was phenomenal! The public is fickle though and they lose interest, but we are FANS and that's the difference!

It's really not her fault that she's not BIG anymore. Yeah she could've done this and she could've done that (well she did) but the way I see it is.. every artist has their classic album, performances etc, and Alizée has hers. [...] It's been a ride!

Alizée's carreer has been beautiful too. :wub:


Now here's one side, making some excellent points:

Criticizing her is fine. But when you guys rage in thread after thread after thread so many times it gets very old. Especially when you guys seem to be proud of it. You make it a priority to try and prove what you think she has and is doing wrong at every opportunity. That is my issue.

brb I'm gonna go to the Eagles forum and say it was a bad idea for Vick to fight dogs and that if he wants to improve his image he should go on Oprah. Until he wins the superbowl I'm gonna repeat it. For years if I have to.

For YEARS, he says! :p
Now here's two guys on another side, also making excellent points:

Oh it's okay for people to sing her praises day after day after day, but if somebody criticizes a few times, that's unforgivable and I'm sure you don't see the hypocrisy in that.

I have a vendetta against yes men. They say she can do no wrong, and because she has so many fans like that, her career is very near an end.


Scruffy, don't sweat it - you're always (and ever shall be) one of our most Respected and Revered Representatives. Personally, I love you (ahem, uh bro) and I'm eternally grateful to you for everything you've contributed to Alizée and all of us. Including your posts, inputs, and opinions. You're a straight-shooter, you gotta say it like you believe it, and you've proven repeatedly that you don't just talk the talk, you walk the walk. So Scruffdog, please don't worry about "pressure" from anyone to alter, edit, or curb your statements or beliefs. (We wanna hear everyone's sides, here, right?) And please don't take it the wrong way when I say I'm one of the people who don't always agree with you. That doesn't even matter, because we in the US all basically are wanting the exact same thing (american tour I, II, III, IV...), we just envision it happening in different ways.

Scruffy, I do support Lili's having parted from F&B. (I don't know that that makes me a "yes-man", or just a plain realist.) But I do agree with you on this: to reboot this career, she'd need an expert manager. Someone who would demand commitment. Someone who would be able to pull her away from her happy, idyllic lifestyle, and make her do more recordings, tv spots, concerts, appearances, traveling, work, work, work, work and work!

I suspect she's not in a big hurry to hire this person. :(

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Speaking of controversial posters whom I still respect and value, here's MonMaquis! You may not like him, but I do...


I do agree with Scruffy again...

There is been soooo many times I say something about Alizee and say she was offered things (US promotions) but she choose to ignore them. Then I get flamed... or people say to me why do you act like know things...

So I don't post much anymore because of this...Because everyone does not want to hear that she does not care...

Sooooo... the promotions I had for Alizee then were given to another French artist... Has it helped them....YUP! Alizee's loss...

MM, it's true, we don't "want to hear that she does not care... ", we'd rather hear that she cares very much about each and every one of us. Personally. If you told us that Alizée prints out our avatar pictures and kisses them and hangs them all up in her house, we'd gladly believe that. But you and your endlessly rubbing our faces with facts - that, mister, we don't need. (jk) :D


What is the point to complain about the content of a thread? If all applicable rules are respected, then all consenting members should be allowed to have the discussions they want without having to adopt any particular mood.

"What is the point to complain about the content of a thread?" Good point. But sometimes there's postings that HAVE to be edited or deleted. In such a case, if one does not have the mod powers to make the necessary changes, one must complain to those who do.

Otherwise, people complaining about others' opinions is just more opinions. I for one am quite glad we don't all agree here at AAm all the time. It would just get boring, in a hurry.

I have really enjoyed your posts Mon Maquis when you discussed Alizee's missed opportunities for US promotion and other tidbits from your direct knowledge. However the follow up statements that she doesn't care or it is Alizee's loss is a pure assumption or conclusion that is just your opinion. [...] Any way I know we all have our opinions and pet peeves and my opinions will probably piss someone off, but I just wanted to interject my opinions for what it is worth. Oh! I also believe that almost everyone on this forum truly love Alizee and want the best for her.:)

[HelixSix]

Oh it's okay for people to sing her praises day after day after day, but if somebody criticizes a few times, that's unforgivalbe and I'm sure you don't see the hypocrisy in that.
Of course many people are gonna praise her but I don't see the ones who push it on everybody all the time or are in denial. If you can show me those people that would be nice. And once again if you think you are only criticizing her a "few" times you are wrong.

I wouldn't have any problem if every member posted a complaint about her. The issue is people like you who do it so frequently for so long. I don't know whether you are trying to offset the positive talk about her or just don't realize how often you rag on her. Maybe you think because you do good things here you are entitled to do whatever else you want but it just makes you a two face. It's love/hate with you, hardly any in between.

I haven’t participated to this thread yet because I have discussed this issue in the past and I find that there is not much more I can contribute or learn.

Exactly. This is my issue with Scruffy and a couple others. It never ends with them. It makes me question their motives.

For YEARS, he says! :p

Well I said for at least a year. But I can go back further and it looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do. It's not nice, but sometimes it's necessary to clean things up. I've done it in other forums and it does work.

[Scruffydog777]

Of course many people are gonna praise her but I don't see the ones who push it on everybody all the time or are in denial. If you can show me those people that would be nice. And once again if you think you are only criticizing her a "few" times you are wrong.

I wouldn't have any problem if every member posted a complaint about her. The issue is people like you who do it so frequently for so long. I don't know whether you are trying to offset the positive talk about her or just don't realize how often you rag on her. Maybe you think because you do good things here you are entitled to do whatever else you want but it just makes you a two face. It's love/hate with you, hardly any in between.



Exactly. This is my issue with Scruffy and a couple others. It never ends with them. It makes me question their motives.



Well I said for at least a year. But I can go back further and it looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do. It's not nice, but sometimes it's necessary to clean things up. I've done it in other forums and it does work.


The next time you choose to enter a thread, I suggest you read the title of the thread. The title of this one is "Alizée's career". Here is the Merriam-Webster defiinition of the word career.

a profession for which one trains and which is undertaken as a permanent calling

Her career started when she was discovered by MF and LB and it continues today. Discussions of her career include anything that relates to her career, good, bad or what ever.

Now sometimes with certain statements you'll see a little box at the end of it with a little number in it. That means there is a footnote at the bottom of the page, giving further details about the statement.

Here is the definition of footnote.
a note of reference, explanation, or comment usually placed below the text on a printed page .

There were no such notes. No one said please only make statements of a positive nature. Please don't mention anything you think might have been a mistake in her career. Pretend that you are in the Russia or China where free speech is surpressed and only say good things about the party, or in this case Alizee, and we'll get along just fine.

The MDO label was specificly created by others in this forum, so people could say what ever is on their mind. Now you're saying that's not the case?

Like I said, next time, read the title of the thread. You can start your own thread and state in your opening post, "Please don't make any posts that may be considered of a negative nature" or "No criticism of Alizee will be tolerated in this thread.", and I would respect that. But when there is a thread, specifically one that has the MDO label to it, have enough sense to realize there could be statements not of your liking.

[jung_adore_ALIZEE]

Well I said for at least a year. But I can go back further and it looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do. It's not nice, but sometimes it's necessary to clean things up. I've done it in other forums and it does work.

I would say that is because her career has been going on the downward path for over a year. One could probably say it has been going downward for upwards of 6 years or so maybe longer. In a nut shell Psychedelices did fine as an album, not great not terrible. The tour for Psychedelices however was not so fine in that there were numerous canceled shows with almost no telling the fans what is up (and you can thank Mon Maquis for her saying anything about the one.) UEDS as an album I believe everyone can agree didn't do very well, and next to no performances.

Feel free to go back and dig up older and older posts all it shows is that she has been on this path for quite some time and she may want to take the next exit. She can do much better honestly. That will require a lot more effort on her part however, and I don't really see it happening.

Regards,

Jung

[lefty12357]

You are missing the point of this thread, which is labeled [MDO]. The purpose of this is that it was more or less a trial run of a thread for Mature Discussion Only, which allowed people to voice their honest opinions on a subject without the thread devolving into a fight between members. In other words, this thread is not about particular members, it is about Alizée's career and posts should only address her career, not forum members.

This has been working for quite a while now, but I see it's starting to veer off course. If we want to continue to have discussions like this, we must stay on topic. And that means no attacking others for their opinion in this thread. If you don't like the subject matter, leave the thread.

[Merci Alizée]

Some of the posts by Helixsix and related replies have been moved to Off-topic comments (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6022&page=29).

The thread is for discussion about Alizée and not about Scruffy.

[MarkL]

I would say that is because her career has been going on the downward path for over a year. One could probably say it has been going downward for upwards of 6 years or so maybe longer. In a nut shell Psychedelices did fine as an album, not great not terrible. The tour for Psychedelices however was not so fine in that there were numerous canceled shows with almost no telling the fans what is up (and you can thank Mon Maquis for her saying anything about the one.) UEDS as an album I believe everyone can agree didn't do very well, and next to no performances.

Feel free to go back and dig up older and older posts all it shows is that she has been on this path for quite some time and she may want to take the next exit. She can do much better honestly. That will require a lot more effort on her part however, and I don't really see it happening.

Regards,

Jung

Much as it pains me to say it, I kinda agree with most of it if she wants to come back she needs effort and lots of it. She had all the years before to do this, to do it now randomly seems strange because I dont think its what she wants.

Hurts to say it, but I still will ALWAYS ALWAYS have hope that shes gonna come out with something awesome tomorrow :D, just keep dreaming for the future is what I do!

[Un-rêve]

Hurts to say it, but I still will ALWAYS ALWAYS have hope that shes gonna come out with something awesome tomorrow :D, just keep dreaming for the future is what I do!

Yeah that's the spirit!

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[Merci Alizée]

Okay, I'm quoting myself again, but it pertains. As I said in that other thread a few days ago, in moderate agreement with Scruffy, MonMaquis, and others demanding more Alizée output...

"To reboot this career, she'll need an expert manager. Someone who would demand commitment. Someone who would be able to pull her away from her happy, idyllic lifestyle, and make her do more recordings, tv spots, concerts, appearances, traveling, interviews, and work, work, work, work and work!

I suspect she's not in a big hurry to hire this person. :( "

or maybe she wants such a person. :/ This is just another speculation. Someone posted on her fb about her lack of activity and not doing tours. She replied (I guess she doesn't doesn't erupt quite often like this) that if you are not satisfied and then you can come and work for me. I'm waiting for you. One can interpret this is in many ways. Just depends on how you see it. My first thought was that she is not liking her lack of activity either, but doesn't say much about what leads her to in this situation. After seeing the comment, she couldn't help herself and replied in that way. Does she find herself in bit helpless situation with career, tours etc?

Like I said, that was just the first thought.

Scruffy said somewhere that she should read the forums to know what people say for her or something like that in this thread. I'm quite sure that she is well aware of what's going among the fans.

Just because you can't convey your message directly doesn't mean isolation. Mon Maquis has said something like that all many times in his posts and warned us about making a mistake of thinking that what we say doesn't reach to anyone.

[Chuck]

...if you are not satisfied and then you can come and work for me. I'm waiting for you.

Wow, MA, that's pretty cool. Thanks!
My first thought is maybe she already knew this person.

Otherwise, if Lili's hiring just anybody -- Whooooppeeeee! I'm there! :D:D:D

[Scruffydog777]

I wonder if Les Enfoires might be doing us some what of a dis-service. Surely it's great to see her on that show every year. It's just about the only thing in her career that we can set our watches too. But I'm wondering if her being on that show every year is providing her with enough of a satisfactional release, singing and dance wise, that she might not have as much drive to pursue her career as opposed to if it wasn't around.

[lefty12357]

I also saw what MA is talking about, and I can tell you, once Alizée cooled off a bit, she deleted her comment approximately 5 minutes later. The comment was made in response to a fan that regularly posts on Alizee-France.com and alizeecommunity.popheart.fr. I know he's been around longer than I have, probably from the beginning. He tends to be critical of Alizée at times and made posts listing all the things Alizée should be doing. This is a momentous thing, since Alizée doesn't directly respond to fans. She obviously was very upset to break her own rule and lash out at a fan. Her statement seemed both angry and sarcastic.

I know I have commented in the past, (and others have too) that we don't know the daily trials and tribulations that Alizée goes through in the business to keep her career going. Since we all hunger for information but get very little, we tend to engage in the process of speculation to fill in the gaps. I guess sometimes we let our own disappointment influence that speculation and assume Alizée doesn't make any effort. It's something I think people should take under consideration. When we talk about maintaining civility between members, we should also remember that Alizée should be included.

[Mon Maquis]

She replied (I guess she doesn't doesn't erupt quite often like this) that if you are not satisfied and then you can come and work for me. I'm waiting for you.

WoW, I did not know she said this...

Someone pissed her off if she posted this and deleted it.

Goes to show you, she reads what you post.

[Scruffydog777]

.................. Someone posted on her fb about her lack of activity and not doing tours. She replied (I guess she doesn't doesn't erupt quite often like this) that if you are not satisfied and then you can come and work for me. I'm waiting for you. One can interpret this is in many ways.................

If there was some way I could help out, I'd be over there every week. I'd spend all my vacations there. As most of you know I work for an airline and I get good travel benefits, but still there is a fee we have to pay to fly overseas and it doesn't come cheap. But I would keep going over there, working for nothing, until my money ran out if I thought I could help. My offer is sincere. I'm leaving tuesday for 3 days in Barcelona and 3 days in Nice. If I hear from her at the last minute, I will cancel all my plans and head for Paris instead. She should know where she can reach me, but unfortunately, I'm sure my help isn't the type she needs. Especially since the only French words I know are the ones in her songs. But the offer is there. You've all seen what I've tried to do for her here. I don't think she could find anyone who is willing to work as long and as hard and for nothing as I would.

[JoeNY]

Why is it a straight rope of negativity? Because she has done nothing but make mistake after mistake starting with her biggest mistake of walking away from the two incredibly talented artists, MF and LB.


Now I'm warning that if she wants to put out another album, she needs to get a new manager. Somebody who knows what they're doing. Somebody with the simple ability to listen to a new song of hers and tell her to her face whether or not it's good enough to do well in France.

She also needs to devote some serious attention to her career. It's hard to tell what goes on in Paris from 3,500 miles away. We have to rely so much on the postings of others. But it looks like since 2004, she has made sacrifices to her career for the sake of her family. Well if she truely does want to last, does want to matter, it's time for her to ask her family to make some sacrifices for her so she can devote the time it needs to put out a good album and tour.

My last warning is something I've said before. This next album will be her last chance to have a meaningful career in the music industry. If it fails, no record company, no good song writers or musicians will want to work with her.
Scruffydog,

I respect your observations and opinions about Alizee's career since you follow her career more closely than most of us. But you sound like Alizee's agent or music company that just wants to squeeze more eggs out of the golden goose which does rub Alizee fans the wrong way. But I know where you're coming from. I really do. ;)

I feel the same way when talking about my favorite sports teams. I'm passionate about them, and I want them to succeed and win. Sometimes, I feel tough love and "telling it like it is" is the only way to fix the problems instead of sugarcoating a flawed product and winding up with the same poor results season after season. Even though this thread is a good place for that, I am still mostly a fan of Alizee - her music and her as a lovable human being. :wub: I do not want to treat Alizee as a music business product who needs to crank out hit single after hit single. I would be just as happy if Alizee were hosting her own TV talk show or decided to go into acting. :)

You want Alizee to dedicate herself entirely to her music career because you assume she just hasn't put the effort into it. You may be right, but I stick by my original stance that Alizee does not have the right team in place to direct her career. Alizee is a talented entertainer with no business experience, particularly in the complicated, unpredictable music business. She just needs a major music label like Sony with music professionals to manage her career. She will have to give up alot of her creative control because it will be their money now, and she hasn't been as successful doing it on her own. Alot of music artists quit the music business entirely because they do not want to do this, which is probably the case with Alizee. That's a personal decision if Alizee wants to sell her soul again and have her professional and personal life micromanaged.

I still see Alizee as a highly marketable music artist for any music label, and I'd be surprised if they haven't approached her with deals. Alizee is the same age as Katy Perry, and far more attractive and talented. But any major music label will want Alizee only under their terms.

[Un-rêve]

Alot of music artists quit the music business entirely because they do not want to do this, which is probably the case with Alizee. That's a personal decision if Alizee wants to sell her soul again and have her professional and personal life micromanaged.



Yeah this is true.

Who knows what's going through Lili's mind at the moment though. She's loved performing since she was a child and that's what's in her heart. ;)
There's definitely been problems with management over her last two albums though and yeah many fans would give anything to help her out, but setting up concerts and tours has to be way out of anyone's league.

She does need professionals to manage her career but she also needs people who genuinely care about her and that's hard to find when it comes to buissness. Sheesh.. I would give her the world if I could but the sad truth is I couldn't even set up one damn lousy concert for her. :blink:

[Scruffydog777]

Scruffydog,

I respect your observations and opinions about Alizee's career since you follow her career more closely than most of us. But you sound like Alizee's agent or music company that just wants to squeeze more eggs out of the golden goose which does rub Alizee fans the wrong way. But I know where you're coming from. I really do. ;)

I feel the same way when talking about my favorite sports teams. I'm passionate about them, and I want them to succeed and win. Sometimes, I feel tough love and "telling it like it is" is the only way to fix the problems instead of sugarcoating a flawed product and winding up with the same poor results season after season. Even though this thread is a good place for that, I am still mostly a fan of Alizee - her music and her as a lovable human being. :wub: I do not want to treat Alizee as a music business product who needs to crank out hit single after hit single. I would be just as happy if Alizee were hosting her own TV talk show or decided to go into acting. :)

You want Alizee to dedicate herself entirely to her music career because you assume she just hasn't put the effort into it. You may be right, but I stick by my original stance that Alizee does not have the right team in place to direct her career. Alizee is a talented entertainer with no business experience, particularly in the complicated, unpredictable music business. She just needs a major music label like Sony with music professionals to manage her career. She will have to give up alot of her creative control because it will be their money now, and she hasn't been as successful doing it on her own. Alot of music artists quit the music business entirely because they do not want to do this, which is probably the case with Alizee. That's a personal decision if Alizee wants to sell her soul again and have her professional and personal life micromanaged.

I still see Alizee as a highly marketable music artist for any music label, and I'd be surprised if they haven't approached her with deals. Alizee is the same age as Katy Perry, and far more attractive and talented. But any major music label will want Alizee only under their terms.

In the past couple of years when we didn't know in which direction her career was headed, just about everyone in here including myself said we mainly want her to do what makes her happiest, whether it be producing a new album and going on tours, or retiring so she could devote herself to her family, or focus on a music style that might be alien to her existing fans. Sure a lot of us would love to see her singing and dancing on stage the way she did during EnConcert, but most of my criticism is based on the fact that she said she wants to last and that she wants to matter. Now I'm assuming she was talking about her music career. If she wasn't, I don't think she's said anything to the contrary.

You said she might do good on a tv talk show. I think she could do tremendously well on a variety show. Doing occassional songs and dances on a show one week and then again it could be other people doing it on other shows, plus some acting. It would be great for her, but I don't know if there are any variety shows in that country. I don't think there's any left in this country for that matter.

So she has produced 2 albums in the past few years, so I have assumed that's where she wants to continue to go and any criticism I've had or will have, was and will be based on that.

[JoeNY]

Judging by the best-selling music today, I think it will be bittersweet for Alizee fans if she does ever top the music charts again. Like you said, her hit-making sound will be alien to her loyal fans. My worst nightmare is to see a Lady Gaga version of Alizee. :eek: I'd much rather have a moderately successful album that resembles her early work with Mylene.

If Alizee is determined to stick with music and wants to do it her way, I will go back to an earlier idea and suggest she do an album of cover songs that she can pick and choose. She would not have to worry about composing tunes and lyrics. With a strong, well-established hit, her voice is the only component she needs to make it a success instead of trying to discover that hip new sound. Judging by her previous cover versions (e.g., La Isla Bonita, Ella Elle L'a), she will prove to record labels that she still has a great voice to go along with her beauty. With a few TV appearances, she'll be back in the spotlight soon enough.

[Scruffydog777]

Judging by the best-selling music today, I think it will be bittersweet for Alizee fans if she does ever top the music charts again. Like you said, her hit-making sound will be alien to her loyal fans. My worst nightmare is to see a Lady Gaga version of Alizee. :eek: I'd much rather have a moderately successful album that resembles her early work with Mylene.

If Alizee is determined to stick with music and wants to do it her way, I will go back to an earlier idea and suggest she do an album of cover songs that she can pick and choose. She would not have to worry about composing tunes and lyrics. With a strong, well-established hit, her voice is the only component she needs to make it a success instead of trying to discover that hip new sound. Judging by her previous cover versions (e.g., La Isla Bonita, Ella Elle L'a), she will prove to record labels that she still has a great voice to go along with her beauty. With a few TV appearances, she'll be back in the spotlight soon enough.

Hey JoeNY. I think you might have misunderstood me. What I tried to say before was if she decided to switch to a type of music that was totally alien to her current fan base, if that's what would make her happy, we would be fully supportive.

But if she continues along the same line as she has been, as much as I've criticitized her, I firmly believe she has what it takes to make it back near if not to, the top of the charts.

[Jake04]

Judging by the best-selling music today, I think it will be bittersweet for Alizee fans if she does ever top the music charts again. Like you said, her hit-making sound will be alien to her loyal fans. My worst nightmare is to see a Lady Gaga version of Alizee. :eek: I'd much rather have a moderately successful album that resembles her early work with Mylene.

If Alizee is determined to stick with music and wants to do it her way, I will go back to an earlier idea and suggest she do an album of cover songs that she can pick and choose. She would not have to worry about composing tunes and lyrics. With a strong, well-established hit, her voice is the only component she needs to make it a success instead of trying to discover that hip new sound. Judging by her previous cover versions (e.g., La Isla Bonita, Ella Elle L'a), she will prove to record labels that she still has a great voice to go along with her beauty. With a few TV appearances, she'll be back in the spotlight soon enough.

I hope she could revive her career the way Kylie Minouge did. Although it was easier for KM since she's Australian and sings in English, I think Alizee can take a page or two from her. Maybe a little less provocative than KM. It wouldn't be a shock for her fans since she started it with Moi..Lolita. It's more like going back to her roots like you said.
I like Alizee do more cover songs as well. She proved that she could do them very well with LIB, Il Jouait Du Piano Debout and others. (Speaking of Il Joouait...I can't believe I just found out about this video a couple of days ago. It's now one of my favorite Alizee performances and have been watching it like a hundred times a day trying to make up for the lost time).
I suggested a tv show as well as this would give her steady income, a platform to keep her on public's minds as well as an audience to promote her new singles/albums in the future. She is telegenic and has a pleasing personality for a tv host. This is something that, IMO she really has to take into consideration. I know a couple of tv hosts from a so-called "third world country" that make millions of dollars (That's right. US dollars!) a year. And France is definitely not a third world country.

[Scruffydog777]

Let me tell you something I am prepared to do as far as her career. I don't really know if her career is in any need of any financial support, but I am prepared to offer her $50,000 if it does. Can I afford that? Not really. I own a 94 Chevy S10 pick up that looks every bit of it's age. Last year I kept the thermostat in my house set at 50 degrees. This year I got a little greedy and boosted it up to 52.

I don't know if this is a drop in the bucket to what she needs, but if it can help, I hope she or someone from her camp will let me know.

There are only two things I ask in return. To present her with a check in person for the sole reason of knowing that she knows about it. The other thing is I would want to get a return of my money if the album makes money. If it doesn't, then c'est la vie. All she needs to do is let me know. Nobody else need know about it.

[FanDeAliFee]

Can I afford that? Not really. I own a 94 Chevy S10 pick up that looks every bit of it's age. Last year I kept the thermostat in my house set at 50 degrees. This year I got a little greedy and boosted it up to 52.

No one who cannot afford to lose his investment should put money into show business! The return rate is so volatile (http://books.google.com/books?id=zjHg5j0CsEoC) it makes junk bonds look like T-bills.

I am not trying to insult anyone, but few people want a business partner who is emotionally needy and potentially unreasonable - even if they live in another country. Any statement which might even HINT at such a thing is almost surely a deal killer.

At the same time, I should like to point out that the spending habits of US millionaire households came as an enormous surprise to the business school professor authors of the best-selling book The Millionaire Next Door (http://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Thomas-Stanley/dp/0671015206). Millionaires not only show enormous self-control - including in their high savings rate - they also PERSONALLY live well BELOW their means.

(I will not say anything about my own finances, but when I retired my Accord the other year, it was 27 model years old - older than Alizée, LOL. But my winter thermostat is set at 60F - it is not so costly to do that in the deep South.)

Let me tell you something I am prepared to do as far as her career. I don't really know if her career is in any need of any financial support, but I am prepared to offer her $50,000 if it does...

I don't know if this is a drop in the bucket to what she needs, but if it can help, I hope she or someone from her camp will let me know.

There are only two things I ask in return. To present her with a check in person for the sole reason of knowing that she knows about it. The other thing is I would want to get a return of my money if the album makes money. If it doesn't, then c'est la vie. All she needs to do is let me know. Nobody else need know about it.

This sounds a lot like the premise of the poll I conducted last August at POLL... - How much would you invest in Wisteria Song? (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5933&highlight=Wisteria+Song) (as a NON-voting shareholder)

Eight of the ten respondents offered non-zero amounts, most of these naming 50 Euros. However, two parties offered 1000+ Euros. The total pledged in anonymity was 2750+ Euros - almost in excess of four thousand US dollars. For a single album, $4,000 is not a big investment, but $50,000 is one.

I have no idea if Wisteria Song would welcome a no-hassle, SILENT partner. But their postal address is no secret and an offer letter drafted by an ATTORNEY might well receive serious consideration if an investment was welcome.

Finally, I will observe we know that Alizée's entourage is kind enough to meet at their convenience with the respectful reps of a fan club for half an hour to autograph a mere 1000 Euros worth of CDs. Draw your own conclusions.
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[Un-rêve]

Let me tell you something I am prepared to do as far as her career. I don't really know if her career is in any need of any financial support, but I am prepared to offer her $50,000 if it does. Can I afford that?

That's all well and good but you know she couldn't accept that kind money from a fan whether she needed it or not. Even if she was expected to pay it back with the success of her album she wouldn't take your money. :eek: I mean if she ever did need that kind of money she would just get a loan from a bank.

[Rev]

From another thread:

Not "specifically for that photo", but I found this thread about Alizée in TECHNIKART Magazine (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5291).

It's from before I joined, of course. And I know little-to-nothing about Madonna, so I never realised this before. I just happened to stumble upon the Madonna picture this morning.

I followed the link and spotted this portion of her interview"

Mika, "Relax (Take It Easy)"
"I sang this song at Les Enfoirés, with Christophe Maé, Patrick Fiori and Nolwenn Leroy. Les Enfoirés is very exclusive. I did it in 2001, when I was 16, and have done it four times since then. It's the exclusive club of French showbiz and French variété. A big change from Institubes. I want to make this big change, even though in France it can be complicated. Still, it's good to be interested in a bit of everything."


It's funny, I've read it before, but this time it sunk in.

Watch the choices she is making (and not making) with this in mind. :)

[Corsaire]

Rev, I am not quite sure what you are implying here, but just so you know, the original TECHNIKART article does not refer to a “big change” but rather to a “grand écart” that should be understood as a “wide range”, meaning, Alizée is claiming that les Enfoirés is something completely different from Institubes and she wants to make this stretch and cover a wide range of musical styles. So, if you are implying that she wants to make a big change in her musical style, she might, but I don’t think this is what she intended to say with that particular comment.

[Chuck]

... So Alizée doesn't seek a "big change", she wants to show her skills in a "wide range" of styles and settings. That's very nice, but not as thrilling. :o

Scruffy may have scored another good point here in saying that Lili's level of commitment with Les Enfoirés may actually be hindering the rest of her career! :eek:

Then again, maybe not. Maybe the direction she envisions herself heading in means becoming a TV personality or presenter or something in the coming years. If that's her goal (instead of trying to compete again as an international singing superstar) then doing Les Enfoirés seems perfect.

Either way, I'm definitely not saying or implying against Les Enfoirés here, nor am I speaking against her being in it - It's a very good group doing good work for a very worthy cause! I'm just echoing and elucidating on what Scruffy said. It DOES limit what else she can accomplish during an average month or year. And, oddly, in spite of the "wide range" of musical styles involved, and in spite of the versatility these performers display, Les Enf's still seems just a little limiting. Almost like she's happier being "the big fish in the little pool" than one that's trying to leap over an ocean. :(

[Rev]

Rev, I am not quite sure what you are implying here, but just so you know, the original TECHNIKART article does not refer to a “big change” but rather to a “grand écart” that should be understood as a “wide range”, meaning, Alizée is claiming that les Enfoirés is something completely different from Institubes and she wants to make this stretch and cover a wide range of musical styles. So, if you are implying that she wants to make a big change in her musical style, she might, but I don’t think this is what she intended to say with that particular comment.

Maybe that is why I did not "pick up on this" before.

However, Google gives two different definitions (and of course we all know they are the expert with regards to the "windy one"). One is "wide gap" and the other is "splits." Are you sure that range is what is implied rather than shift, or that range would be defined exactly as we would use the word? :)

[Roman]

Rev, I am not quite sure what you are implying here, but just so you know, the original TECHNIKART article does not refer to a “big change” but rather to a “grand écart” that should be understood as a “wide range”, meaning, Alizée is claiming that les Enfoirés is something completely different from Institubes and she wants to make this stretch and cover a wide range of musical styles. So, if you are implying that she wants to make a big change in her musical style, she might, but I don’t think this is what she intended to say with that particular comment.
And further, what she meant about it being "compliqué" en France is that it's difficult to be known for one kind of music and then be accepted for another, something she has said many times while talking about trying to change from her Lolita days style to something else (to what exactly I don't think anyone knows?). That's not really what she's talking about here, but it's the same issue.

Of course, it's difficult everywhere and I'm still not sure that's even what the problem is. To be brutally honest, without the right image and "angle" and promoting it well, I don't think she has the singing/performing talent to become a pop-star ever again. It's simply amazing that people still hold on to that. Is it ever too late? I'm under the impression that it would take exciting promotions and millions of euros to pull that off. Obviously, Alizée needs to take a different method and has needed that perhaps ever since she left M&L. The idea was to be a big hit in 2007 and solidify her position as a pop-star. That didn't happen for all the many reasons we know. And frankly, I think she has lost credibility to the point where I'm not sure what angle could be taken to promote her even with millions of euros. It's not even that the album wasn't good. It wasn't life altering, but it was good enough. It's just the lack of follow through with all that she talked about and all that her fans hoped for that has caused her to lose credibility as a commercial/popular entity and again, when she went to Israel for example, I'm sorry but that Skaat guy was really good and he sounded better in French than she did. It's that kind of thing that I'm talking about when I say that she needed the practice as well as the packaging. Tough love here. Either that or I'm just no longer a fan and don't hear what others hear. Though, she is so easy to fall for in general and I even like hearing her talk because of that cute voice she has. She has adorable and admirable qualities, but hardcore fan generating qualities anymore?

I'd like to see her directing events of the sort of Les Enfoirés and of course performing there. But how, when, where? I think Alizée has enough talent that she could have offered the world more to love and enjoy and still could, but there's a big difference between having the skill (and even willingness) to do something and getting the opportunity to be the person doing it. I know that too well.

"C'est le club du showbiz français, de la variété [français]. Le grand écart avec Institubes. Je veux faire ce grand écart, même si en France, c'est compliqué. C'est pourtant bien de s'intéresser à tout."
My take is that she is saying that there is a wide difference between Les Enfoirés "variété français" and what is put out by Institubes and she wants to be able to, in any case, perform the kind of music done by Institubes. But, in France it's difficult to be into different stuff, have more than one clear image/persona to put forth to the public. (something she has said with regard to changing from her Lolita image and music to a different style) But still, it's good to take an interest in everything.
So, she was trying to promote her new album and her relationship with Institubes at the time in spite of being on shaky ground. Frankly, I think it had more to do with that than anything else.

[Naft]

I hope she could revive her career the way Kylie Minouge did. Although it was easier for KM since she's Australian and sings in English, I think Alizee can take a page or two from her. Maybe a little less provocative than KM. It wouldn't be a shock for her fans since she started it with Moi..Lolita. It's more like going back to her roots like you said.
I like Alizee do more cover songs as well. She proved that she could do them very well with LIB, Il Jouait Du Piano Debout and others. (Speaking of Il Joouait...I can't believe I just found out about this video a couple of days ago. It's now one of my favorite Alizee performances and have been watching it like a hundred times a day trying to make up for the lost time).
I suggested a tv show as well as this would give her steady income, a platform to keep her on public's minds as well as an audience to promote her new singles/albums in the future. She is telegenic and has a pleasing personality for a tv host. This is something that, IMO she really has to take into consideration. I know a couple of tv hosts from a so-called "third world country" that make millions of dollars (That's right. US dollars!) a year. And France is definitely not a third world country.

Same here, found out about the video about a week ago, now I hum it subconsciously.

As for her career I'll agree with Scruffy, she has the potential to actually become a pop-star again although in any direction which she may choose, I'll gladly support her and I'm sure it (from a "strangers" point of view, not somebody that's done everything she has) can reach out to an audience that might be smaller, or bigger depending in which direction she chooses to go.

I also doubt she would ever go into a "Lady Gaga" type of style as mentioend earlier, as I saw a cover of some French magazine where it said something along the lines with "I'm not Britney Spears" and I might be far off but it seems as she's distancing herself from the lolita image as it is, I doubt she'd get into a new one.

[Bigdan]

Suggestion !



Could it be possible to to sum up this thread to 6 or 8 points, in order to create a poll and see what are the most recommended carreer choices by AA members ?

This way it will be easy to consult by anyone (preferably a dark-haired Tinker Bell ;)) without reading the 22 pages....




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[Scruffydog777]

.............. when she went to Israel for example, I'm sorry but that Skaat guy was really good and he sounded better in French than she did. It's that kind of thing that I'm talking about when I say that she needed the practice as well as the packaging. Tough love here. Either that or I'm just no longer a fan and don't hear what others hear.
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I think you're right about that song and I also think her singing of Dis lui toi que je t'aime wasn't that good. I like her version, mainly because it's her singing it, but I think Vanessa Paradis's version is truely a beautiful version. But after all it was a song that was written for Vanessa Paradis and not Alizee. She was just singing it because it was one of Serge Gainsbourg songs and this was a concert to pay tribute to him.

I've heard many people here say before that Alizee has a wide vocal range. I don't think she does. I'm not saying it's a small range, I'm just saying it has it's limitations. Within her range, she has a very, very beautiful voice and I think it's very hard for a singer to listen to one of her own songs and tell how good it is, that is why I keep stressing having a manager who will tell her things straight up, no sugercoating.

Suggestion !



Could it be possible to to sum up this thread to 6 or 8 points, in order to create a poll and see what are the most recommended carreer choices by AA members ?


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I think that might be a good idea, but if we're going to suggest to her choices to be made concerning her career, should we not first have a poll as to why two Psych concerts were cancelled in Paris? Was it just lack of promotion and why was UEDS labeled a flop? Was it her switch to Electronic music? I think it was just a poor choice of what band she worked with.

But I think we should not as AAm make recommendations to her concerning her career, if we can't all agree as a group as to what went wrong.

[Corsaire]

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However, Google gives two different definitions (and of course we all know they are the expert with regards to the "windy one"). One is "wide gap" and the other is "splits."
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Sure, this is because, in French, "faire le grand écart" also (mainly) means to do the split.:)

[Jake04]

Awhen she went to Israel for example, I'm sorry but that Skaat guy was really good and he sounded better in French than she did.
I agree. Skaat did sound better. At first I thought maybe it was a Hebrew or Jewish song that's why Alizee did not sound that good. However, I still enjoy it because it's our Alizee. I look at the whole package (the smile, gestures dance, etc.), not just the voice. Susan Boyle might have sounded better but I would still prefer Alizee. I also prefer her rendition of Dis-lui toi que je t'aime better than Vanessa's.
As I was watching the Academy awards last night, I couldn't help but think of Alizee. I saw my favorite actress and she was wearing something that I didn't really like. I thought she looked "okay" but not great. But that didn't bother me a bit because I knew given the right dress, no one would have looked better (Well, except Alizee, of course!) Same thing with Alizee, given the right song, NO ONE would have sounded better. JEAM (En Concert), Tempete (En Concert) and Il Jouait Du Piano Debout IMO, prove that.

[Un-rêve]

when she went to Israel for example, I'm sorry but that Skaat guy was really good and he sounded better in French than she did.

Really?

I think you're right about that song and I also think her singing of Dis lui toi que je t'aime wasn't that good. I like her version, mainly because it's her singing it

Well I'd say Alizée's voice was pretty much up there with her performances Il Jouait Du Piano Debout, La Isla Bonita and Ella Elle L'a. Offcourse they will always be some of her most classic and beautiful renditions/performances.. but what made Dis lui toi que je t'aime so amazing for me was the fact she was singing it live without it being polished up and tweaked in the studio.

Alizée sang her heart out here and this is one of most amazing renditions I've ever heard and I'm not just saying that cause it's Alizée.

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I think Vanessa Paradis's version is truely a beautiful version.

Well one could argue that they're both beautiful versions.

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[Naft]

Well one could argue that they're both beautiful versions.


Both are beautiful in their own way.

[Scruffydog777]

This is my favorite video of Vanessa Paradis singing Dis lui toi que je t'aime .


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Of course it must have been done in a sound studio. I'l love to hear an Alizee rendition of it that had that benefit.

[Naft]

This is my favorite video of Vanessa Paradis singing Dis lui toi que je t'aime .


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Of course it must have been done in a sound studio. I'l love to hear an Alizee rendition of it that had that benefit.

I noticed that on Youtube when you favorited it, it's good but it's missing "it".

Now, to actually add something to the topic:

I just watched several live versions of Moi...Lolita, one particular caught my attention, the Saturday Night Show one. The reason I bring it up is because it's sung live and when she goes into chorus the entire crowd starts cheering, and she just brightens up like a spark. Deep down she loves singing and performing and she reflects it very well, I doubt she would end her music career anytime soon because of that simple reason.

[lefty12357]

I was reading one of my magazines today and there was a short interview with Sandy Vee, a French producer who recently moved to New York. Last year alone, he had Top 10 Billboard hits with Katy Perry, David Guetta, and Rihanna. So you can tell he obviously has credibility. You can read it here: http://emusician.com/interviews/feature/back_talk_sandy_vee/

Anyways, here's a quote of one of the questions and answers:

What’s the music scene like in Paris?

France is a small country. We have some great talent, some very talented people with good vibes, but the market is really down. A friend told me yesterday that in a week, a Top 10 single in France sells just 500 copies a week. That’s just crazy. It’s very different working here.

You can see what Alizée and other French artists are up against.

[Un-rêve]

You can see what Alizée and other French artists are up against.

Yes it's very sad...

I believe Alizée also mentioned in an interview last year that there were not many tv shows in France for her to perform her single Les Collins on as the market was down.

[pepelepew]

Really?



Well I'd say Alizée's voice was pretty much up there with her performances Il Jouait Du Piano Debout, La Isla Bonita and Ella Elle L'a. Offcourse they will always be some of her most classic and beautiful renditions/performances.. but what made Dis lui toi que je t'aime so amazing for me was the fact she was singing it live without it being polished up and tweaked in the studio.

Alizée sang her heart out here and this is one of most amazing renditions I've ever heard and I'm not just saying that cause it's Alizée.

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Well one could argue that they're both beautiful versions.

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[Scruffydog777]

Alizee did very well until the last verse and she went sharp on the highest note. You can see that look on the face of the cute violin player during that sequence as the camera cut away to the violinist. She heard it too.All in all it was a very good performance especially for a live performance.:)

I too thought I saw something in the expression of this girl.

[Corsaire]

...
I just watched several live versions of Moi...Lolita, one particular caught my attention, the Saturday Night Show one.
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Are you referring to this rendition:

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If so, I am sorry, but I doubt very much this is live. Why do you say it is?

[Naft]

Are you referring to this rendition:

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If so, I am sorry, but I doubt very much this is live. Why do you say it is?

Because it's on the Saturday Night Live show? She's lipsyncing, but still there "performing" it live.

[Corsaire]

Because it's on the Saturday Night Live show? She's lipsyncing, but still there "performing" it live.

Well, if that is what you meant, sure.;)

BTW, I’m sure you know about this, but it is The Saturday Night Show. Saturday Night Live is something completely different.

[Roman]

...Dis lui toi que je t'aime
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Ok, now I also thought that was cool to see/hear Alizée sing a song like that. I don't really remember her singing a song like that before. I thought she did really well, but if there's something not that good about it, it wasn't her delivery but rather it would be her voice. That might seem strange since particularly back in the day, I said that the special thing that Alizée had was her voice which I really loved. I think if you are in the mindset that you really love Alizée and her voice, then it's great and I would think you would like it.
But if one doesn't like her voice in the song, I think it's because they don't think that her voice fits that kind of song that well. Alizée's voice doesn't quite have the timber that I think Vanessa's does (nor probably most singers). Alizée's voice I have figured out tends to be more nasally or something and I think some people don't like that. But yeah, I thought she did a really good job there. And you know, I don't particularly care for Vanessa's voice in general. So, to me it seems like this comes to personal preference. As Scruffy suggested, I think Alizée could be made to sound significantly better in a studio recording because, for one thing, they can isolate the voice and move levels around to balance sounds or bring out a quality that might be difficult to do in a live performance. I think that second Paradis song was better, though the file quality was fairly poor. But yes, I think it was cool to see Alizée sing a song well live and get the sounds she was going for and all of that. There is something about having a good live performance, at least occasionally. It shows the talent that she does have. If I suggest that Alizée does not have talent in singing, I'm forgetting many occasions. But that's not what I say, rather I say that it doesn't sweep her away and rather must be presented right for people to be impressed and carried away by her. After she's lost that "air" of pop-star, I'm not sure what can be done to get it back. It's more like these performances that one expects now. Alizée was not that big of a deal in her school or even at Graines de Stars, but the way Mylène presented her (and after instructing her on how to sing the songs and so forth, according to Alizée) Alizée came out looking like a real sensation. And of course I must point out that her performances were nearly all lip-synced. She actually has done more live singing this last year (in the very few performances she gave). Mais, bon.
But this is not the song I was making reference to before anyway.

@lefty, wow. That is really abysmal. I guess it's reserved for maybe only a few people to sell albums. I had seen some crazy numbers like that too. But I also thought I've heard of some performers like Nolwell Leroy selling over a 100K. In any case, I find it hard to understand how a singer can exist in a career where she does not perform her music anywhere for any amount of money or whatever. Alizée did one live performance. It just doesn't add up or down to me if people actually think she's a good singer and want to hear her; so, I have to assume that they don't or that she doesn't want to bother unless she's going to get paid. The latter doesn't even seem that likely considering what she did perform during the year. It's a matter of the strong survive it seems to me and that Alizée only performs when someone asks her to. She does not set up her own shows. I mean, what does that even mean? There was a time when she could have gotten people together for that, but she left it up to RCA or the concert organizer or whatever. That's how it went. They had a plan and not much outside of that plan was done. I don't really expect otherwise, but when it became clear that she badly needed some buzz, we said, do anything with anyone to make something happen. My guess is that Alizée figured that if following the normal methods it didn't happen, that it just wasn't to be. It can be extremely difficult to step outside of that and try to make something more happen. And in fact she even eventually did with the Alizée tv thing.

For what it's worth, there is one time that Alizée was singing live for sure. It was a different performance.

And as to Scruffy's question, I still think (perhaps hypocritically after giving so many opinions about this stuff) that it's sort of in bad taste to try to come up with, as a group, a list of stuff that we think Alizée should do, especially after having lived through so much of this and seen Alizée apparently take little to no interest in such opinions after months (years now?). I guess I sort of feel like, if she could have done something, she would have and it's sort of like harassment to try to pressure her into doing things that she is probably in less of a position to actually make happen than ever before. You saw how she reacted to that other guy's post. She wants someone to do something for her (/her career) I think, not tell her what she should do. (ok, and like with the paparazzi, if she's harassed enough, she's going to lose it.) I suppose people say, "have concerts" and she thinks, no sh** dude, but how!? My answer in mid-2008 would have been something along the lines of, however you can! You just can't let it go because everyone will lose heart and loose faith in you! I guess not everyone did, but many did. And then 2009, 10? Seriously? People were talking about concerts around now a couple months back? It feels to me like I have about as much chance of having a concert or anyone who can get on stage and sing (ok, which I can't do). Being a singer was something that I have always wished I could do. Alizée did it and sort of still continues. That's pretty cool. But outside of fairytales comes doing business and that's what she ran into. Il faut toujours montrer l'espoir, malgré les faits qui nous blessent ?

I pretty much ran out of hope a couple years back and figured that if gnashing of teeth is what it would come to, then I'd really like to think that Alizée could just get into something where people are not treating her this way and where instead she could just do something where people would be happy with it. I think she just wants to have peace and have people happy with whatever she does rather than wading into the fray and all that. But what do I know? She's the stubborn one and she's the one who tried with another album, though at the time it made all the sense to give it a shot. Did Alizée herself really say that she will work on another album (even if through the unofficial official rumor sources)?

And ok, so she reads her own Facebook wall. I figure she probably does not read this kind of stuff. And really, do you think she'd be inspired by it?

[Naft]

Well, if that is what you meant, sure.;)

BTW, I’m sure you know about this, but it is The Saturday Night Show. Saturday Night Live is something completely different.

Well, if the technical term is in fact that she's actually singing it live then I apologize.

Yeah, I must have gotten it confused with its American counterpart, aren't they both talkshows though?

[lefty12357]

And as to Scruffy's question, I still think (perhaps hypocritically after giving so many opinions about this stuff) that it's sort of in bad taste to try to come up with, as a group, a list of stuff that we think Alizée should do, especially after having lived through so much of this and seen Alizée apparently take little to no interest in such opinions after months (years now?). I guess I sort of feel like, if she could have done something, she would have and it's sort of like harassment to try to pressure her into doing things that she is probably in less of a position to actually make happen than ever before. You saw how she reacted to that other guy's post. She wants someone to do something for her (/her career) I think, not tell her what she should do. (ok, and like with the paparazzi, if she's harassed enough, she's going to lose it.) I suppose people say, "have concerts" and she thinks, no sh** dude, but how!? My answer in mid-2008 would have been something along the lines of, however you can! You just can't let it go because everyone will lose heart and loose faith in you! I guess not everyone did, but many did. And then 2009, 10? Seriously? People were talking about concerts around now a couple months back? It feels to me like I have about as much chance of having a concert or anyone who can get on stage and sing (ok, which I can't do). Being a singer was something that I have always wished I could do. Alizée did it and sort of still continues. That's pretty cool. But outside of fairytales comes doing business and that's what she ran into. Il faut toujours montrer l'espoir, malgré les faits qui nous blessent ?


@Roman, I think you make a good point here. I’ve been thinking about this too and here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

It is fine to speculate about where Alizée’s career will take her and what has happened behind the scenes to put her in the position she finds herself in today. It is also fine to talk about the direction we would like to see Alizée go or the music we would like to see her do. There are a lot of good topics for discussion. And it probably is valuable information for Alizée, to know how the fans react to something she has done. We know what we like and don’t like and that is our right, and this is probably useful for Alizée to know and for us to share. But I think sometimes fans go overboard with their attempts to tell her how to run her career.

I say this with all due respect to everyone and I sincerely mean no offense. But how many of us have been inside the music business and know its inner workings? How many of us have set foot in a recording studio or played live on stage? How many have written songs or sang on stage professionally? How many have produced an album or worked as a promoter or booking agent? How many have read and signed a recording contract, or are lawyers specializing in entertainment law? The fact of the matter is, most of us here have no professional experience in any of these areas, yet we continue to tell a woman who has been a star, been in the music business for 10 years and sold millions, how to run her affairs. Honestly, why should she take advice from amateurs? Who knows, maybe she is even offended that we think she knows less than us, even though most of us know next to nothing to begin with. Yes, some things may be obvious, even without experience. But do we think Alizée isn’t smart enough to know the obvious?
Personally, I think we have no idea what efforts she has made and things she has tried behind the scenes and out of sight of the fans. I'm not saying Alizée hasn't made mistakes and caused some of her own problems, but I doubt many of her fans could do better.

Again, I’m not trying to offend anyone and I know everyone has Alizée’s best interests in mind. But I believe it must be very difficult for her to read all this "advice" sometimes. I just hope she knows that our hearts are in the right place.

[Ange]

Hello everyone.
I still like Alizee and I still listen to gourmandices and the second album alot. I do not listen to the other two because I prefer MF and Laurent. I think Alizee needs to get voice lessons and sing very very well for Mylene and Laurent. And then they can crete new lyrics and melodies with her and she will be number one AGAIN.

[Jake04]

Anyways, here's a quote of one of the questions and answers:

What’s the music scene like in Paris?

France is a small country. We have some great talent, some very talented people with good vibes, but the market is really down. A friend told me yesterday that in a week, a Top 10 single in France sells just 500 copies a week. That’s just crazy. It’s very different working here.

You can see what Alizée and other French artists are up against.

Let's see if I could do a quick math here: If an artist has a TOP TEN single FOR A YEAR and sells 500 copies/week for the entire year, then that artist would have sold 26,000 singles in one year.

UEDS sold 30,000 albums in about a year now. I guess that's not that bad after all. (I mean, it tells us it was not the album per se but the market in general the reason why UEDS only sold that much).


@Roman, I think you make a good point here. I’ve been thinking about this too and here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

It is fine to speculate about where Alizée’s career will take her and what has happened behind the scenes to put her in the position she finds herself in today. It is also fine to talk about the direction we would like to see Alizée go or the music we would like to see her do. There are a lot of good topics for discussion. And it probably is valuable information for Alizée, to know how the fans react to something she has done. We know what we like and don’t like and that is our right, and this is probably useful for Alizée to know and for us to share. But I think sometimes fans go overboard with their attempts to tell her how to run her career.

I say this with all due respect to everyone and I sincerely mean no offense. But how many of us have been inside the music business and know its inner workings? How many of us have set foot in a recording studio or played live on stage? How many have written songs or sang on stage professionally? How many have produced an album or worked as a promoter or booking agent? How many have read and signed a recording contract, or are lawyers specializing in entertainment law? The fact of the matter is, most of us here have no professional experience in any of these areas, yet we continue to tell a woman who has been a star, been in the music business for 10 years and sold millions, how to run her affairs. Honestly, why should she take advice from amateurs? Who knows, maybe she is even offended that we think she knows less than us, even though most of us know next to nothing to begin with. Yes, some things may be obvious, even without experience. But do we think Alizée isn’t smart enough to know the obvious?
Personally, I think we have no idea what efforts she has made and things she has tried behind the scenes and out of sight of the fans. I'm not saying Alizée hasn't made mistakes and caused some of her own problems, but I doubt many of her fans could do better.

Again, I’m not trying to offend anyone and I know everyone has Alizée’s best interests in mind. But I believe it must be very difficult for her to read all this "advice" sometimes. I just hope she knows that our hearts are in the right place.

I couldn't agree more! Most of the times we fans, even though we have her best interest at hearts, make our decision based on emotions rather than sound business models.

[Un-rêve]

@Roman, I think you make a good point here. I’ve been thinking about this too and here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

It is fine to speculate about where Alizée’s career will take her and what has happened behind the scenes to put her in the position she finds herself in today. It is also fine to talk about the direction we would like to see Alizée go or the music we would like to see her do. There are a lot of good topics for discussion. And it probably is valuable information for Alizée, to know how the fans react to something she has done. We know what we like and don’t like and that is our right, and this is probably useful for Alizée to know and for us to share. But I think sometimes fans go overboard with their attempts to tell her how to run her career.

I say this with all due respect to everyone and I sincerely mean no offense. But how many of us have been inside the music business and know its inner workings? How many of us have set foot in a recording studio or played live on stage? How many have written songs or sang on stage professionally? How many have produced an album or worked as a promoter or booking agent? How many have read and signed a recording contract, or are lawyers specializing in entertainment law? The fact of the matter is, most of us here have no professional experience in any of these areas, yet we continue to tell a woman who has been a star, been in the music business for 10 years and sold millions, how to run her affairs. Honestly, why should she take advice from amateurs? Who knows, maybe she is even offended that we think she knows less than us, even though most of us know next to nothing to begin with. Yes, some things may be obvious, even without experience. But do we think Alizée isn’t smart enough to know the obvious?
Personally, I think we have no idea what efforts she has made and things she has tried behind the scenes and out of sight of the fans. I'm not saying Alizée hasn't made mistakes and caused some of her own problems, but I doubt many of her fans could do better.

Again, I’m not trying to offend anyone and I know everyone has Alizée’s best interests in mind. But I believe it must be very difficult for her to read all this "advice" sometimes. I just hope she knows that our hearts are in the right place.

I couldn't agree more!


Yes.. lets all agree on this, relax and take some time out to reflect. :)


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[MarkL]

Most of the times we fans, even though we have her best interest at hearts, make our decision based on emotions rather than sound business models.

Excellent, I'm so glad you wrote that. Like we have that buried in the back of our heads but never really think about it so its great that we have this now, we let our emotions take control and lead us into doing things that we might often...regret.

A decision that will end up costing more money than making money generally is not a sound plan to carry out...

[Roman]

@Roman, I think you make a good point here. I’ve been thinking about this too and here are some of my thoughts on the subject. ... I think you elaborated the point well.

However, I guess if you all wanted to do something of the sort, how about thinking of it this way: create a list of the types of performances and/or products that you think would be great coming from Alizée and present that and say, we think we would like this; here are some ideas; just so you know.

But, after all I've seen, I think probably the best thing would have been if the fan forums had always kept it pretty light and fun with regard to Alizée and what they expect from her (even if doing serious collaboration amongst themselves). Trying to hard sell Alizée on things doesn't seem to work very well. Maybe she'd agree to a serious collaboration now if someone made a serious offer. But other than that, it should probably look like it's just for fun as far as looking like something that she is supposed to respond too.

That's sort of my take. I hope I'm being clear here. As you know, I could write ten pages on the subject but would probably be ever less clear.

Oh, and I'll just say that Alizée generally seems pretty risk averse to me from what little I can tell. So, if it seems really pie in the sky, don't count on it. She has always been uncertain about her career. Go back and watch the interviews. This last year she came off pretty certain at times, even said directly, I will have concerts, I promise (if my French is not too far off). I suppose that kind of presentation of certainty comes from desperation (why would she say something like that if there was a good chance it wouldn't happen? Our experience certainly suggested it was unlikely.). She said she was waiting for her band-mates to return, but still nothing ever happened. I think she has very little industry and fan support left. That makes it a bad time to risk time/money/effort. She has nothing left to preserve and a big hill to look up toward getting back on top (or even in the running). So, I think if she could make some relatively small effort that might "stick" and be a hit and really launch her, she'd be more inclined to do that sort of thing. I think that was her thought from the very beginning. But I'm just throwing guesses at the wind here. (no pun intended)

Sorry, but you see, that is what happens when I start thinking.

[pepelepew]

I agree with Lefty, Roman, Mark, etc., however this being a fan site for fans to express themselves, let off steam, fantasize, kill time, discuss passionately, etc., it is appropriate to share. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought fan sites are for the fans and not the artist. I am a great protector of Alizee and as a fan I have confronted what I thought was inappropriate, distasteful or mean. It would be inappropriate for fans to hammer her on face book or write her letters with the kind of content that are in some of the posts here, but that is not the case as far as I know. If Alizee happens to lurk here or on any fan site it is what it is. I assume that the creators of this site would welcome her here, but as long as the rhetoric isn't hateful, disrespectful or mean it is ludicrous to try to censor fans thoughts or feelings and could stunt spontaneity. I do admit that I have to hold my nose as over time it does seem like beating a dead horse with redundant comments. I have truly been guilty as anyone and it seems like groundhog day at times. The fact that most of us know nothing about the music business and even less about Alizee, decisions she made or not made, how she feels, what she likes, dislikes is beside the point. Besides she may come here to laugh her ass off at our lunacy for all we know. We may make her day. I know one thing that when we start taking ourselves to seriously and think that we have control over something or some person for which we have none, we are miserable. In the words of Cindy Lauper " Alizee fans just want to have fun!":D

[Ange]

Thanks everyone for being so positive.

[MarkL]

The fan part of me wishes for her to try harder and keep trying to suceed while the other part of me says I should let ppl live their lives.

I'm Torn in two :(

[Euphoria]

Alizee has a very good range. She can actually sing really low, and I prefer her songs where she's using that low, sexy voice. That's what sounds best to me. I've always thought she had a very unique sound. She can manage to sound sweet while still having that sort of raspy-ness.

[lefty12357]

Alizee has a very good range. She can actually sing really low, and I prefer her songs where she's using that low, sexy voice. That's what sounds best to me. I've always thought she had a very unique sound. She can manage to sound sweet while still having that sort of raspy-ness.

Yeah, I agree. I really like the sound of her voice when she sings in her lower range. I've always thought of it as something that sets her apart from many other singers.

[Bigdan]

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And here is the beach...

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You can play " Where's Alizée " ;)

[User22]

Yes.. lets all agree on this, relax and take some time out to reflect. :)


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And I thought I had seen every video out there...Lilly and her surprises :wub: thanks Un-reve for sharing :)

[Ange]

I love this video.

[Jake04]

I love it too. There are still so many Alizee videos out there that have yet to be discovered!

[FanDeAliFee]

Right now, I'm in the land of the Hey Amigo. Barcelona that is. In a few days, I'll be in Nice, only about 150 miles away from Corsica...

People come and go at AAm, so I will take advantage of the message above to again bring attention to something I sketched a couple of years ago. It may artistically resonate with Alizée fans familiar with her iconography. It was that resonance which drew me to flesh out the idea in a Web page, rather than any serious notion of practical value either to me or the Corsican Fairy.

Some postings to this thread regretfully suggest - surely too soon - that Alizée's musical career is in the toilet and that only a miracle can revive it. Have I got a proposed music video for them! Find it at:

Alizée sings Saint Teresa - the music video (http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/docdtv/Alizee/2009May.htm)

Ok then, Scruffy, make sure you scout Barcelona for good location shots, LOL!

I don't know a lot about popular music history, but perhaps there are darn few American singers other than Joan Osborne to whom Alizée could say Your classic music video is full of symbols which my fans associate with me! If any conversation between the two singers were of interest, that sure would be an ice-breaker!

Osborne is known for her professional interest in many genres of music. These include both Motown and 60's Rock, interests which Alizée shares, if I posit Lilytown as autobiography.

Osborne is from the generation previous to Alizée - that of Mylene and Monique - but all the same has some interesting personal and professional things in common with her,

LIKE Alizée, Osborne has one child - a little girl almost exactly Annily's age. Artistically, Osborne studied theater in high school and beyond, but stumbled into her singing career via an open mike night. She grew up in a small town, the suburb of a city, yes, but far from America's megacities. She never imagined she could earn a living as an artist, and started NYU in New York City to study documentary film-making. She still likes film-making, but her career has been about music. Her first album published by a major label only came out in 1995, not many years before Alizée could say the same.

UNLIKE Alizée, Osborne has toured a great deal over many years, including many very small venues. She likes live work better than anything else, and so is not worried about the permanent decline of the recording industry. Besides singing, she also writes lyrics and sometimes can get up the courage to play guitar or drums in public. She never has danced.

Osborne owns a house in central Brooklyn, her home base. While some of her music references religious themes, she long ago became alienated from her Catholic upbringing. Some religious people like her work, others surely do not, I know of no evidence that she speaks any language other than English.

In our highly globalized Internet Age, I think Tahiti Boy spoke of his collaboration with a Brazilian artist. It would not be bizarre if one day Alizée collaborated with some US artist! It need not be Joan Osborne.

[Un-rêve]

And I thought I had seen every video out there...Lilly and her surprises :wub: thanks Un-reve for sharing :)

I love this video.


I love it too. There are still so many Alizee videos out there that have yet to be discovered!


Bigdan don't need one, but I thought you all would be interested in this.. there's a rough transcription of what Alizée is saying... :wub:

Thanks to Toc De Mac. ;)

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478

[Jake04]

Bigdan don't need one, but I thought you all would be interested in this.. there's a rough transcription of what Alizée is saying... :wub:

Thanks to Toc De Mac. ;)

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478

Thanks alot for the link, Un-rêve! And of course, to Toc De Mac for the translation!

[User22]

Bigdan don't need one, but I thought you all would be interested in this.. there's a rough transcription of what Alizée is saying... :wub:

Thanks to Toc De Mac. ;)

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478

Thanks for more valid points to make Corsica my future-honeymoon location guys!

[Corsaire]

Thanks for more valid points to make Corsica my future-honeymoon location guys!

And if you ever want to take your significant other to that beach Alizée was taking about, I just filled in the gaps...

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200865#post200865

BTW, be careful (or maybe joyful, depending on your preferences) because there is a section of that beach that is apparently for the enjoyment of naturism.

http://www.vivrenu.com/viewtopic.php?topic=1476&forum=53

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Thanks Corsaire for finishing up that translation :) Great read :D