Goodbye Institubes :(

[babyblue558]

Looks like we can be certain Alizée's next album won't be with Institubes

http://institubes.tumblr.com/

"The label is gone but the artists are in top form..." <- no mention of Alizée but lets be hopeful!

[LE_LOUP_DES_STEPPES]

I wonder what Alizée is going to do now.

[Nafas]

To bad for the label, bye bye..

BUT what kind of impact will this have on the creation of the potentional new album

[Scruffydog777]

To bad for the label, bye bye..

BUT what kind of impact will this have on the creation of the potentional new album

I think it could mean she'll have to come up with some big names to work with as far as song writers and musicians for this next album.

[Deepwaters]

It's only the end of the label. As far as artists to work with, the same people are still alive and still working as before. She's a great networker as she's already proven.

That was an interesting little piece. I noticed that it was obviously written by a native English speaker. There's no way to fake that. I was thinking of Institubes as a French label, but maybe they were more international.

[babyblue558]

Artists switch labels all the time and even before this news was announced I suspected that Alizée's partnership with Institubes was over. I mean UEDS wasn't exactly a commercial success and it would be unwise from a commercial point of view for Institubes to agree to do another Alizée album after UEDS's poor performance. So I don't think it's such a big deal they've gone bust as far as Alizée's concerned.

[User22]

Man, stinks for Institubes not having her :p

[FanDeAliFee]

Artists switch labels all the time and even before this news was announced I suspected that Alizée's partnership with Institubes was over. I mean UEDS wasn't exactly a commercial success and it would be unwise from a commercial point of view for Institubes to agree to do another Alizée album after UEDS's poor performance. So I don't think it's such a big deal they've gone bust as far as Alizée's concerned.

First, the recorded music business is rapidly going extinct (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=200000&postcount=55), so "all the time" will not exist much longer anyway.

Things are complicated, but Institubes was never really Alizée's "label." Yes, the people at Institubes composed the songs, wrote their lyrics and did the production for UEdS. In a video the other year, Alizée's described Institubes boss Jean-René Etienne as her "artistic director." The UEdS album insert names him as its "Executive producer" and states that the album is jointly published by Sir Sid (the creature of Tinkerbell and her Peter Pan) and Institubes Publishing, with distribution by Sony Music Entertainment under the Jive/Epic label.

But the album is copyrighted alone by Wisteria Song (formerly Sir Sid Production), again the creature of Tinkerbell and her Peter Pan. While one doesn't know the contractual terms of the financial agreement between Alizée and Institubes, to me the copyright ownership at least suggests that Alizée in effect "hired" Institubes to help her create this work. By this I mean it might be that she paid them up front for their services, taking on the investment risk (and "reward") herself. This could be wrong, but if it is right, Institubes would hardly be unwilling to play ball again with her if it could.

But with recorded music sales evaporating, while an album can remain an artistic vehicle for creating new songs, as an economic vehicle it is becoming nothing more than a means to promote live performances and licensing (e.g. ads) - i.e. a loss center, rather than a profit center. Does this mean we are we at "the end of music" (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/the-end-of-music/?scp=1&sq=The%20end%20of%20music&st=cse)?

[severianb]

Artists switch labels all the time and even before this news was announced I suspected that Alizée's partnership with Institubes was over. I mean UEDS wasn't exactly a commercial success and it would be unwise from a commercial point of view for Institubes to agree to do another Alizée album after UEDS's poor performance. So I don't think it's such a big deal they've gone bust as far as Alizée's concerned.

Professionally, you may be right. Personally, however, it's obvious Alizée got along well with many of these folks, as evidenced by the X-Mas song they did together even after the album didn't sell well. She really put a lot into UEDS with these guys and they worked hard together at it, I'm sure it's a big deal to her to see people she considers friends go through a rough time of it. I could be wrong, but heartless is not something ascribed to her.

Things are complicated, but Institubes was never really Alizée's "label." Yes, the people at Institubes composed the songs, wrote their lyrics and did the production for UEdS. In a video the other year, Alizée's described Institubes boss Jean-René Etienne as her "artistic director." The UEdS album insert names him as its "Executive producer" and states that the album is jointly published by Sir Sid (the creature of Tinkerbell and her Peter Pan) and Institubes Publishing, with distribution by Sony Music Entertainment under the Jive/Epic label.

But the album is copyrighted alone by Wisteria Song (formerly Sir Sid Production), again the creature of Tinkerbell and her Peter Pan. While one doesn't know the contractual terms of the financial agreement between Alizée and Institubes, to me the copyright ownership at least suggests that Alizée in effect "hired" Institubes to help her create this work. By this I mean it might be that she paid them up front for their services, taking on the investment risk (and "reward") herself. This could be wrong, but if it is right, Institubes would hardly be unwilling to play ball again with her if it could.

Good detective work, as always. It was an enjoyable collaboration, I liked the results artistically. Very curious to see who she allies herself with artistically next. Such a mystery, our Tinkerbell. :)


..... the recorded music business is rapidly going extinct (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=200000&postcount=55), so "all the time" will not exist much longer anyway.

But with recorded music sales evaporating, while an album can remain an artistic vehicle for creating new songs, as an economic vehicle it is becoming nothing more than a means to promote live performances and licensing (e.g. ads) - i.e. a loss center, rather than a profit center. Does this mean we are we at "the end of music" (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/the-end-of-music/?scp=1&sq=The%20end%20of%20music&st=cse)?

People love music. The music will survive, because we can't live without it. Little children bob their heads to the beat before they can walk, and dance to music before they can talk. It's instinctive. Music and appreciation of the people who bring it to life for us will never end. Of that I am sure. As to the other questions.... :confused:

[lefty12357]

Keep in mind that Jean-René Etienne said that the Institubes musicians are still working on projects and can be found at www.soundpellegrino.net and www.marble.fm.

[C-4]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

[User22]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

Eh, then they'd be considered a french girl band lol. And Alizee would be the most popular of all of them :p

[severianb]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

Well, Jenifer & Natasha have both done duets with Alizée, I'm sure you have seen the videos.

I find Alizée and Jenifer to have very similar voices, so their duets are kind of bland for me. Natasha has a much different voice, and I think she and Lilly balance each other quite well. I'd enjoy listening to more collaborations by them.

I don't think being part of a group works for Alizée. She shines too brightly... she is a star. It really wouldn't be fair to the others or her.

[OGRE]

Interesting quote:

we should have been able to carve a non-capitalist niche within the larger corporate world.

[Bigdan]

Actually , she would better plan a duet with Nolween, who lead the charts right now ;)

[FanDeAliFee]

Interesting quote:
we should have been able to carve a non-capitalist niche within the larger corporate world.

That was the motivation behind the Artistic Grant to Alizée (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5608). For the sake of greater harmony within Alizée America, it was eventually transformed (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163446&postcount=84) into an Art Scholarship honoring Alizée (http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5643). But sadly, all it took was a single egomaniac, arriving at the eleventh hour, too damn lazy to read the information that was easily and openly available to him before shooting his mouth off, to wreck the whole enterprise by undermining anonymously pledged donor confidence with his venomous remarks. I hope he always remembers his accomplishment.

[Rev]

Actually , she would better plan a duet with Nolween, who lead the charts right now ;)

I have a feeling that Alizée might not be comfortable doing that at the moment. All the fame may be going to Nolween's head a bit (note: no information on this - it's just a hunch). :)

[Jake04]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

I agree. They could do their own version of "Lilith Fair" just like what Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Lisa Loeb and Michelle McAdorey did back in the mid 90's. (Other female artists joined them later).

And they can call it "Lilly's Fair" :D

[pepelepew]

I have a feeling that Alizée might not be comfortable doing that at the moment. All the fame may be going to Nolween's head a bit (note: no information on this - it's just a hunch). :)Nolwenn is very talented and deserves the attention. Why would she want to go in another direction right now. No advantages for her. Alizee would not be viewed as an equal at this time and would not be advantageous for Alizee either. All common sense speculation on my part as well.:)

[Rev]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

I agree. They could do their own version of "Lilith Fair" just like what Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Lisa Loeb and Michelle McAdorey did back in the mid 90's. (Other female artists joined them later).

And they can call it "Lilly's Fair" :D


Great idea. :)

[rcs]

On Alizée Discussions forum on this site, I saw a picture on a train of Alizée, Jenifer, Natasha St. Pier, and Lorie.
I would like to see the four of them do an album together, much as some american artists have done in the past, like Emilou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.

It would make a great tour both individually and collectively for them all.

This would be a dream come true! As for Institubes, I wish them good luck, but Lili even better luck.

[FanDeAliFee]

<a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=164794"><i>2010-04-16 rfi Music interview</i></a> writes:
<blockquote><i>Alizée, the electro-chic return
Fourth album

Paris
16/04/2010 -

RFI Musique:
For this album, you decided to work with the label Institubes and the
electro group Château Marmont. Why was that?

Alizée:
Since the previous album, Psychédélices, I produce my own records and
work with people whose ideas mesh well with mine. Three years ago, I had
my single Fifty Sixty [written by Jean Fauque] mixed by David Rubato,
one of the producers on the Institubes label. That’s how I met Jean-René
Etienne, the boss of the label, with whom I worked on an idea of a
different sort of album, more narrative inspired. At first it was going
to be an EP, but I met up with the other producers, Tahiti Boy, Rob and
Tacteel, and we ended up making an album... A group like Château Marmont
shouldn’t have to remain underground... I think they should be more
visible to the general public. As melodists, they’re not very far from
the likes of Mylène Farmer, for example. What makes their work different
from mainstream pop is in the production. And that’s a good thing.
French pop is having a hard time coming up with fresh sounds, it seems
to me. I hope that after this album, other mainstream artists will want
to work with them.</i></blockquote>There is no doubt that the recorded music industry as we have known it for a century is facing its final hours. That is hardly a poor reflection on the managers of traditional recording labels, who will all have to close up shop sooner or later.

You can still write songs on commission/speculation for superstars with substantial live-act careers. You can also write songs on commission/speculation for advertising campaigns. You can even write songs on commission/speculation for social movements of the rich and oppressed (but not the poor and oppressed!) But what you can no longer realistically hope to do much longer is write songs for sale to private individuals, because it is so trivial and cheap to store and transmit vast amounts of data without corruption, and ever fewer people feel morally obliged to pay for the music they enjoy - or won't switch to legitimate free music or other entertainments, rather than pay.

All the same, I recently took a trans-Atlantic voice call from someone claiming to be Cécile de Ménibus, of all people. I was rather skeptical about this self-identification. Anyway, she told me that her cousin's boyfriend's barber's sister's geometry-teacher's dogwalker's neighbor's ex-husband's gardener's doctor's housekeeper - on whom she would stake her life - reported the REAL reason that Institubes went under was because of something Alizée may have said.

It seems that when Alizée visited Institubes for the first time, so the story goes, Jean-René noticed that she seemed crestfallen and he asked why. You know how nice Alizée is - she did not want to say anything hurtful. But finally she was coaxed to admit that she was unaware that Jérémy had built such a nice recording studio at home - she had thought the one at Institubes would be even nicer. Well, that's all they needed to hear. What do you know, goes the story, but they went overboard in fitting out the Institubes studio so as to maintain Alizée's interest in working with them.

But, personally, I really don't buy ANY of this at all! There is not even a SHRED of reliable evidence to back it up. UNLESS, that is, you want to give credence to the video footage below...
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</tr></table>
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P.S. I have no idea if anyone from <a href="http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=159631">Remulak</a> was involved.