Computer stuff

[atra201]

This a cool and recommended test for your antivirus it's actually recommended by antivirus creators
first: open a new Text Document (not ms word )
then: paste the following in that document

X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*

then: save the document by the name text.txt for example but it has to be .txt file

so what does this tell u
if ur program detects this as eicar virus then ur program is a good one
if not change ur program
i had kaspersky and it found it after about 3 sec.
then mcAfee in like 5 sec.
i would recommend kaspersky for advanced users only.

:) :) :) happy surfing all.

[Amelie]

of course, i have!

[atra201]

then try the test and see for ur self

[aFrenchie]

then try the test and see for ur self
I have Kaspersky and it found it quickly.

[Amelie]

I have Kaspersky and it found it quickly.

i have Kaspersky too;)

[atra201]

i have Kaspersky too;)

I have Kaspersky and it found it quickly.

good choice ;)

[atra201]

it's winter on the door step and so are mosquitos
so turn ur pc into a musquito repeelent by this software
http://rapidshare.com/files/2302874/anti_mosquito.zip
it's a software that makes ultrasonic sounds that would restrain them from flying and are harmful to humans,but u have to leave ur speakeras open.

[HibyPrime]

You forgot to add a "No." to the poll options. I have no need for one atm, when viri actually start getting around for macs I'll get an anti-virus program.

Did you know McAfee and Symantec both make AV programs for macs? I laughed when I saw the box in staples.

it's winter on the door step and so are mosquitos
so turn ur pc into a musquito repeelent by this software
http://rapidshare.com/files/2302874/anti_mosquito.zip
it's a software that makes ultrasonic sounds that would repell mosquito in the air and are harmful to humans,but u have to leave ur speakeras open.

High frequency sound and your speakers makes for a trip to the computer store for more speakers. I'm also not sure that normal speakers can emit ultrasound waves anyway - most speakers wont go past 15-20khz (human hearing limit) and ultrasound starts at 20khz.

[Twitch]

Not to mention that this isn't really mosquito season in Canada, we get most of them in the spring. As far as I know it's to cold here for any bugs to be active outside in the winter, (most freeze and thaw out in the spring) except in BC because of global warming and warmer winters.

[bt_bird_90]

A guy at JPL told my brother that global warming has been natural, there's not much we can do about it. When Mount St. Helens blew, it did more harm than the whole of the Industrial Revolution.


My brother gets to talk with smart people all day, I'm jealous.

[HibyPrime]

A guy at JPL told my brother that global warming has been natural, there's not much we can do about it. When Mount St. Helens blew, it did more harm than the whole of the Industrial Revolution.

Wow! Someone with some sence! I've spent many an hour debating over this one.

While the industral revolution definately contributes to global warming, it hasn't been the main contributor.

Activists seem to forget a lot that we are still on our way out of the "recent" ice age.

[spysmasher]

Wow! Someone with some sence! I've spent many an hour debating over this one.

While the industral revolution definately contributes to global warming, it hasn't been the main contributor.

Activists seem to forget a lot that we are still on our way out of the "recent" ice age.


Yeah, global warming is a myth. It's easy to find info refuting it, like here:

http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm

Still, I'd theorize that the temperature of the planet rose sharply about 22 years ago. I'll bet you can guess why. ;)

[DJ_Greg]

Wow! Someone with some sence! I've spent many an hour debating over this one.

While the industral revolution definately contributes to global warming, it hasn't been the main contributor.

Activists seem to forget a lot that we are still on our way out of the "recent" ice age.

I guess that includes geologists, too. Stupid scientists with their silly charts...why can't the data support blatant disregard for the environment?!? Argh. :rolleyes:

[atra201]

what's global warming got to do with computers :p :p

[spysmasher]

I guess that includes geologists, too. Stupid scientists with their silly charts...why can't the data support blatant disregard for the environment?!? Argh. :rolleyes:

Are you suggesting that:
A. The scientific data supports the theory of global warming? and
B. Questioning global warming amounts to disregard for the environment?

I realize this may be opening an off-topic can of worms, but I would strongly disagree with both of those points. As regards the first, see the article I referenced in my earlier post: the data does not support the theory of global warming at all. Just Google “global warming myth” and you’ll find tons of stuff like that. Granted, some of what you’ll find on the internet is not reliable (whackos ranting), but there are also plenty of reputable scientists who refute the theory with solid evidence.

As to the second point, respect for the environment does not depend on the truth of global warming. After all, there were people urging us to care for the environment long before the theory of global warming was concocted. (John Muir comes to mind.) Saying, “Global warming is a load of hooey” does not amount to saying, “Let’s rape the environment!” For my part, I don’t buy the theory of global warming for one second, but I do respect the environment.

All of which, as Atra pointed out, has nothing to do with computers … or Alizée, for that matter.

[atra201]

How to use MSCONFIG
Built into Windows 98, 98SE, ME, and XP is a special tool called the "Microsoft System Configuration Utility" or simply "MSCONFIG." Designed to help you troubleshoot problems with your computer, MSCONFIG can also be used to ensure that your computer boots faster and crashes less.

Most people know that the more programs you have running on your computer at once, the more likely it is that your computer will either run slowly or even crash. What most people don't know is that every time you boot your computer a whole mess of "hidden" programs load in the background. Some of these hidden programs are essential, but most aren't. Turning off some of these hidden programs can significantly increase your computer's performance and reliability.

Here is how to use MSCONFIG on Windows 98, 98SE, ME, and XP to disable some of the unnecessary programs that automatically load on start-up.
1. Go to Start > Run
2. Type MSCONFIG in the "Open:" box and then either press enter on your keyboard or click on the OK button.

3. This launches Microsoft's System Configuration Utility. Click on the Startup tab (the tab at the far right).

If you use Windows XP, you'll notice that the Microsoft System Configuration Utility screen looks a little different than the one in Windows 98, 98 SE, or ME. But it still works the same. Click on the Startup tab (the tab at the far right).
4. This takes you to a page with a list of "startup items." Startup items are programs that are automatically loaded every time you turn on your computer. Some startup programs are absolutely necessary, others are simply a waste of RAM.

The only startup items you absolutely need are:
*ScanRegistry.
*TaskMonitor.
*SystemTray.
*LoadPowerProfile.
*Your antivirus program (trust me, you won't have a hard time figuring out which one is your antivirus program. It is pretty obvious.)
Since you need these startup items to be running all the time in order for your computer to work properly, make sure there is always a check mark next to all of these startup items.

If you don't see one or two of these items in your list of startup items, that's cool. For example, some people may not have a LoadPowerProfile while others may have two. The big thing to remember is that you don't want to uncheck any of these files if you have them.
The rest of the startup items, however, are completely optional. Whether you leave these optional startup items on or turn them off is completely up to you. A good rule of thumb is to disable only those programs that you recognize and don't need to have running all the time. When in doubt, leave it on. Or, better still, check out Paul "PacMan" Collins' huge "Startup Applications" list at http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php

Here's a good example. On my computer I have a mess of MP3s and I listen to those MP3s with a program called WinAmp. For some reason or other, WinAmp decided that it should always be running on my computer even when I am not using the program. That's silly. To prevent WinAmp from automatically starting every time I boot my computer, I ran MSCONFIG and unchecked "WinampAgent." That's it.

Remember, disable only those programs that you recognize and don't need to have running all the time. When in doubt, leave it on.


Windows XP is a little different. In Windows XP, all of Windows essential programs are loaded through something called "Windows Services." This means that most of the startup items you see in XP are completely optional and can be turned off. Still, the rule of thumb applies: disable only those programs that you recognize and don't need to have running al the time. When in doubt, leave it on.

5. Click on the OK button.
6. A message will pop up telling you that you must restart your computer before these changes will take effect. Click on "Yes" and your computer will automatically reboot.
7. That's it! Your computer should now boot faster and crash less.

And if you ever want to turn on any of the startup items you disabled with MSCONFIG, just run MSCONFIG again.

For more info check out http://www.netsquirrel.com/msconfig/

[Rocket]

My computer is being stupid. I try to watch Aliz'ee vids and it's all jumpy. It comes out Com.....mee....talle...............vous. And the sounds is at least 10 seconds ahead of the scene. I deleted all my cookies but that doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions?

[deanej]

When in doubt, leave it on. Or, better still, check out Paul "PacMan" Collins' huge "Startup Applications" list at http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php
Or go into Windows Defender and see what they are, if you have it. It is at Tools>Software Explorer>Startup Programs.

[HibyPrime]

Maybe this next comment will revive the thread (and I do mean this): AV programs are useless, I have NEVER once had an AV program (that means, norton mcafee and AVG) remove a virus, only tell me that they are there and they are "contained." Adaware once saved me, but this is after ~6 years of reformating every few months.

You have to be an idiot to not know that there is a virus/other malware on your computer, but can competently use an AV program.

Atra: changing the startup programs in msconfig works for old malware, anything from the last few years will mask itself.

Or go into Windows Defender and see what they are, if you have it. It is at Tools>Software Explorer>Startup Programs.

Windows Defender = Vista?

[atra201]

Maybe this next comment will revive the thread (and I do mean this): AV programs are useless, I have NEVER once had an AV program (that means, norton mcafee and AVG) remove a virus, only tell me that they are there and they are "contained." Adaware once saved me, but this is after ~6 years of reformating every few months.

You have to be an idiot to not know that there is a virus/other malware on your computer, but can competently use an AV program.

Atra: changing the startup programs in msconfig works for old malware, anything from the last few years will mask itself.



Windows Defender = Vista?

ok i'm talking from experiance av programs has helped a lot as long as they r updated regularly in 9 years i only formated 2 because of viruses once as a beginner and the other cause i stopped automatic update and true sometimes they do'nt delete they only guarantene but then u can delete those guarantened and msconfig has doubled my pc speed till i downloaded more unnecssary software,but and i don't think msconfig should be used as antispyware it's for other kinds of problems.
thanks very much for reviving the thread and keep it up.
(pc experts where r u ppl)

[HibyPrime]

ok i'm talking from experiance av programs has helped a lot as long as they r updated regularly in 9 years i only formated 2 because of viruses once as a beginner and the other cause i stopped automatic update and true sometimes they do'nt delete they only guarantene but then u can delete those guarantened and msconfig has doubled my pc speed till i downloaded more unnecssary software,but and i don't think msconfig should be used as antispyware it's for other kinds of problems.
thanks very much for reviving the thread and keep it up.
(pc experts where r u ppl)

If have only reformatted 2 times in 9 years, there are 4 possible reasons why.

1. You are very lucky
2. You don't download anything: music, movies, programs, etc.
3. You just live with the malware and don't care
4. You don't use your computer very often.

(I would include a fifth possible reason: you run Linux or OSX or some other UNIX based os, but then you would have only reformatted 0-1 times)

You can not delete a quarantined file, otherwise the AV program would have deleted it itself. If you believe that deleting the infected file through the recycling bin deletes the virus, then you are sadly mistaken.

I have experience spanning the last 7 or so years of repairing computers (my own included). XP in some ways was worse than 2k/98, it didn't really fix the problems, it just covered them up - for about a month before another piece of malware comes and breaks down the security walls for all the locked up viruses and such to come start messing with your computer.

I use to have to reformat every few months, every 6 mo at most. TBH, I never really downloaded that much over the last few years, just because I was sick of reformatting, that extended the reformat period by a few months. In 6 months of owning a mac (2 macs now, actually), I've downloaded more than I would ever think of on a PC. That includes the normal music/movies/programs etc., aswell as the stuff I would never touch on a PC - keygens, cracks and 3rd party patches.

In closing: AV programs are a waste of time (unless you are the type that opens files labeled "free ipod info inside.exe"). MS sucks for obvious reasons. and Apple isn't any better in the greed side of things, but they can atleast make an OS (this would be a good time to mention that Linux/other free OSs are the best of both worlds).

[atra201]

If have only reformatted 2 times in 9 years, there are 4 possible reasons why.

1. You are very lucky idon't know about.

2. You don't download anything: music, movies, programs, etc.
i download a lot all the time

3. You just live with the malware and don't care
may but i scan my pc regularly i ve' antivirus and anti.....

4. You don't use your computer very often.
it's on from 5am my time till 10pm .every day except fridays.
and no it's windows xp.

You can not delete a quarantined file, otherwise the AV program would have deleted it itself. If you believe that deleting the infected file through the recycling bin deletes the virus, then you are sadly mistaken.
may be u're right

I have experience spanning the last 7 or so years of repairing computers (my own included). XP in some ways was worse than 2k/98, it didn't really fix the problems, it just covered them up - for about a month before another piece of malware comes and breaks down the security walls for all the locked up viruses and such to come start messing with your computer.

I use to have to reformat every few months, every 6 mo at most. TBH, I never really downloaded that much over the last few years, just because I was sick of reformatting, that extended the reformat period by a few months. In 6 months of owning a mac (2 macs now, actually), I've downloaded more than I would ever think of on a PC. That includes the normal music/movies/programs etc., aswell as the stuff I would never touch on a PC - keygens, cracks and 3rd party patches.
and may be i'm lucky

In closing: AV programs are a waste of time (unless you are the type that opens files labeled "free ipod info inside.exe"). MS sucks for obvious reasons. and Apple isn't any better in the greed side of things, but they can atleast make an OS (this would be a good time to mention that Linux/other free OSs are the best of both worlds).
if so what is the solution please. thanks

[RMJ]

If have only reformatted 2 times in 9 years, there are 4 possible reasons why.

1. You are very lucky
2. You don't download anything: music, movies, programs, etc.
3. You just live with the malware and don't care
4. You don't use your computer very often.
Why would formatting have to do with any of those reason ?

Formatting is done when you create file system on your harddrive. It is done once when you buy new HD. And that's it. Unless of course you decide to change to another filesystem (NTFS -> EXT2 for example).



You can not delete a quarantined file, otherwise the AV program would have deleted it itself. If you believe that deleting the infected file through the recycling bin deletes the virus, then you are sadly mistaken.

If you get rid off of the infected files then the virus is gone. It does not "live" without the file. To play safe, overwrite it (the physical place on the HD) with random data few times to make sure that it isn't even recoverable.


I have experience spanning the last 7 or so years of repairing computers (my own included). XP in some ways was worse than 2k/98, it didn't really fix the problems, it just covered them up

True. XP is piece of shit. That's why I used W2k till last year, but was forced to move to XP due to lack of driver support for W2k.

But saying that 98 is "someway" better is just hilarious... The whole 9x serie is a joke. And bad one...

[deanej]

Windows Defender is available for XP as well as Vista.

[HibyPrime]

Why would formatting have to do with any of those reason ?

Formatting is done when you create file system on your harddrive. It is done once when you buy new HD. And that's it. Unless of course you decide to change to another filesystem (NTFS -> EXT2 for example).

What? You know formatting your drive has a side effect of removing viruses, right?

If you get rid off of the infected files then the virus is gone. It does not "live" without the file. To play safe, overwrite it (the physical place on the HD) with random data few times to make sure that it isn't even recoverable.

Yes, if you delete the infected file it is gone, but a lot of recent viruses can not be deleted through the recycling bin. They just do not get deleted like that.

Alternatively, you could go through DOS, and delete the blocks/sectors the file is on (I have no idea how to do this, I just know it is possible).

True. XP is piece of shit. That's why I used W2k till last year, but was forced to move to XP due to lack of driver support for W2k.

But saying that 98 is "someway" better is just hilarious... The whole 9x serie is a joke. And bad one...

Ok, when I said 98 was better I was exaggerating, what I really meant was that in some ways it is no better. XP covers up (as in, did not fix) a lot of the problems that would have given you an "Illegal Operation" in 98, just meaning it is going to come back and bite you in the ass later.

In closing: AV programs are a waste of time (unless you are the type that opens files labeled "free ipod info inside.exe"). MS sucks for obvious reasons. and Apple isn't any better in the greed side of things, but they can atleast make an OS (this would be a good time to mention that Linux/other free OSs are the best of both worlds).

if so what is the solution please. thanks

Linux/FreeBSD/OSX/wait for vista and hope they got it right with KernelPatchGuard

If you truly don't get viruses, then there is no reason for you to change. My whole point is that AV programs will not work for new viruses (old ones it will, but you kinda have to be stupid to get those).

Windows Defender is available for XP as well as Vista.

It's been a few months since I've actually updated an xp machine.. The only windows computers I use anymore are running 2k.

Interesting to know.

[atra201]

What? You know formatting your drive has a side effect of removing viruses, right?



Yes, if you delete the infected file it is gone, but a lot of recent viruses can not be deleted through the recycling bin. They just do not get deleted like that.

Alternatively, you could go through DOS, and delete the blocks/sectors the file is on (I have no idea how to do this, I just know it is possible).



Ok, when I said 98 was better I was exaggerating, what I really meant was that in some ways it is no better. XP covers up (as in, did not fix) a lot of the problems that would have given you an "Illegal Operation" in 98, just meaning it is going to come back and bite you in the ass later.



Linux/FreeBSD/OSX/wait for vista and hope they got it right with KernelPatchGuard

If you truly don't get viruses, then there is no reason for you to change. My whole point is that AV programs will not work for new viruses (old ones it will, but you kinda have to be stupid to get those).



It's been a few months since I've actually updated an xp machine.. The only windows computers I use anymore are running 2k.

Interesting to know.

shouldn't regular updates do the trick?

[HibyPrime]

shouldn't regular updates do the trick?

They do not update the AV program anywhere near often enough.. You are still missing the point, they just don't catch the majority of newer viruses. New viruses leave almost no trail for another program to find. They often run in lower levels of the operating system than the AV program, making it impossible for the AV program to legally (literally, it's against the law for them to do this) detect and stop the viruses process. For it to stop the process, it would have to use virus-like tactics to get into the same levels of the operating system. Vista actually increases the distance between them, with KernelPatchGuard, in an attempt to prevent viruses from getting past that point aswell.

Here is a very simple illustration of the lower system levels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Computer_abstraction_layers.PNG

[RMJ]

What? You know formatting your drive has a side effect of removing viruses, right?
No it doesn't have that effect. Formatting does not get rid off of any data. It only writes over file structure table. The virus is still on the HD even after format.

Same effect you get by "removing" the virus by other methods (deleting the file or editing it in binary level).



Yes, if you delete the infected file it is gone, but a lot of recent viruses can not be deleted through the recycling bin. They just do not get deleted like that.
Who said you should put them in recycle bin ? Just delete the file. And of course if it's currently in memory, then get rid off of it first and then delete the file. If you can't get it off of the memory then boot to another computer, plug in the infected hd and delete the infected file. And it's done (of course make sure you don't run the infected file in that another computer or it gets infected too).

But there's plenty of programs to do that properly. Most of the antivirus programs can do it for you.



Alternatively, you could go through DOS, and delete the blocks/sectors the file is on (I have no idea how to do this, I just know it is possible).

Yes, you can delete file from DOS too. Or form another install of Windows, or from Linux. Whichever you prefer. I have always backup install of OS on my HDs, which I only use in emergency. Like if I have deleted files by accident and I must recover them, then I just turn power off of the computer and boot to that secondary OS which is located on own partition and will not write anything beyond it. But same works to destroy malware and virii, too, of course.



Ok, when I said 98 was better I was exaggerating, what I really meant was that in some ways it is no better. XP covers up (as in, did not fix) a lot of the problems that would have given you an "Illegal Operation" in 98, just meaning it is going to come back and bite you in the ass later.

XP has nothing to do with 98. If you compare XP to something, compare it to W2k or NT4.

Comparing 98 or any 9x based OS (95, 95 OSR 2, 98, Me) is pointless. Technically speaking 98 isn't even operating system. It's just shell over DOS 7. Like is all 9x based "OSes".

[aFrenchie]

No it doesn't have that effect. Formatting does not get rid off of any data. It only writes over file structure table. The virus is still on the HD even after format.
You're absolutely right but its datas will be 100% ignored by the new system and quite quickly overwritten. You're safe to say that formatting totally removes viruses...

[HibyPrime]

No it doesn't have that effect. Formatting does not get rid off of any data. It only writes over file structure table. The virus is still on the HD even after format.

Same effect you get by "removing" the virus by other methods (deleting the file or editing it in binary level).

Formating (not quick format!) overwrites the entire drive with 0's, thereby deleting all data on that drive. Quick formats (never use this, it's just stupid) only overwrite the file system, but they render the remaining data useless (FAT32 programs can not run off a NTFS formatted HDD, for example).

Who said you should put them in recycle bin ? Just delete the file. And of course if it's currently in memory, then get rid off of it first and then delete the file. If you can't get it off of the memory then boot to another computer, plug in the infected hd and delete the infected file. And it's done (of course make sure you don't run the infected file in that another computer or it gets infected too).

But there's plenty of programs to do that properly. Most of the antivirus programs can do it for you.

The only way of deleting a file in windows is through the recycling bin, you can bypass the bin through some options, but the result is exactly the same.

Yes, you can delete file from DOS too. Or form another install of Windows, or from Linux. Whichever you prefer. I have always backup install of OS on my HDs, which I only use in emergency. Like if I have deleted files by accident and I must recover them, then I just turn power off of the computer and boot to that secondary OS which is located on own partition and will not write anything beyond it. But same works to destroy malware and virii, too, of course.

I've actually heard of some viruses (very rare), that will overwrite partition information. I wouldn't worry about those, because I have never seen one in action, only heard that people have made them.


XP has nothing to do with 98. If you compare XP to something, compare it to W2k or NT4.

Comparing 98 or any 9x based OS (95, 95 OSR 2, 98, Me) is pointless. Technically speaking 98 isn't even operating system. It's just shell over DOS 7. Like is all 9x based "OSes".

Yes, yes XP is OS/2 / NT based. Remember, though, that it was made by the same company (IBM did not help develop OS/2 V3), and MS's methods on how windows should work were transferred from 98 right through XP.

And 98 is an OS, 98 is a mix of DOS and a GUI. 98 refers to more than just the GUI over DOS. Saying 98 is not an os is like calling OSX a GUI for BSD, or calling winXP a GUI for 2k.

For anyone still following (and lost), read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 to know what I am talking about with os/2

[atra201]

well AVs are like doctors when ever there is a new virus the programmers need to study that virus and develop a cure for it could take an hour or even weeks but don't leave you're pc without vacination .

[RMJ]

Formating (not quick format!) overwrites the entire drive with 0's, thereby deleting all data on that drive. Quick formats (never use this, it's just stupid) only overwrite the file system, but they render the remaining data useless (FAT32 programs can not run off a NTFS formatted HDD, for example).
Quick format rewrites FST.
Full format rewrites FST and does surface scan.

Neither of those does zero filling.

Practically all the data is still recoverable after both format methods.

If you wish to zero fill your drive then you need another software for it. Most of the HD manufacturers provides one for free on their site (well, atleast Seagate and Samsung).

But even zero filling doesn't render data unreadable. It might corrupt some of the data but most of it can be recovered. You'd need to do much more complicated

And quick format isn't stupid. It does it's job as well as full format. Both creates proper file structure. Only difference is that the full format does the surface scan to check if the HD is damaged in any way. You can do that check yourself before formatting, too, and then just use quick format. Full format is useless if you know that the disk is fully working.



The only way of deleting a file in windows is through the recycling bin, you can bypass the bin through some options, but the result is exactly the same.
No. Recycle bin is not way to delete file. It is just special directory where the files are moved when you "delete" them. They are just relocated in file structure. You don't really delete them. When you empty recycle bin, then the real delete is done.

Only way to really delete file in windows is to use delete command. Either from command line or by pressing shift while "deleting". It will not then move the file to recycle bin.

Altho, best way is to simply disable usage of recycle bin (from the properties of recycle bin folder). That way it's use is ignored and the files are deleted for real when you meant to delete them.

But notice, that even tho the files are deleted, they are still recoverable. Deleting really means just setting the file pointer to null. The file's exact location on HD is forgotten by operating system and it's removed from file structure, and the space that was reserver for the file in file structure is set to be overwritten and free for re-use. The file itself is still physically on the HD exactly where it was before delete. If you wish, you can recover it by proper tools with couple clicks.

If you really want to destroy the file, you must rewrite over it several times random data (to the physical location of the file on HD). There is software that can do it for you. Windows, by default, cannot do it. And format does not do it.



I've actually heard of some viruses (very rare), that will overwrite partition information. I wouldn't worry about those, because I have never seen one in action, only heard that people have made them.

Yes, such virii exists but they are not common because they are pretty useless. The partition table can be simply restored by couple simple commands.

Boot sector virii are much more dangerous and can cause serious trouble. But even them can be removed with proper tools without damaging the disc.



Yes, yes XP is OS/2 / NT based. Remember, though, that it was made by the same company (IBM did not help develop OS/2 V3), and MS's methods on how windows should work were transferred from 98 right through XP.

NT3.1 was OS/2 based. Or simply, it was renamed OS/2 3.0.

NT3.5 and NT3.51 are pretty much just little improvements over 3.1 and basically just adapting few things from Windows 3.10 and 3.11 for Workstation.

NT4 is only based on NT3.1 but is more compatible with Windows 9x line than with OS/2. Tho, 9x and NT4 are still far from cross compatible.

NT5 (Windows 2000) is pretty much nothing like NT3.1 (OS/2 3.0). The biggest change was that it can finally run most of the 9x line applications. 9x cannot run NT based applications (because 9x lacks NT api).

NT5.1 (Windows XP) is pretty much the same as NT5 with tiny changes. The biggest and the most useless change is it's GUI.

NT5.2 (Server 2003) is based on NT5 and NT5.1. Adapting the GUI of XP but not adapting all of it's bugs and annoyances. This was never meant for workstations. But it can be easily to modified to be run as normal desktop OS. It does not have perfect support for XP based applications but most of them works normally. Lack of device drivers are the biggest problem...

NT5.3 (XP 64bit) is based on NT5.1, by rewriting big part of it to be able to use the 64bit extension of AMD's 64bit processor (which was then adapted to Intel chips, too, with some changes).

NT6 (Vista) is based on NT5 core, but has some big changes. Well, atleast it should have... they wasted fricking 7 years doing the modificiations... And the biggest change they managed to do during that time was recoded GUI... All the useful features like new filesystem support was dropped during the years.



And 98 is an OS, 98 is a mix of DOS and a GUI. 98 refers to more than just the GUI over DOS.

98 is OS as much as a motorbike is motorbike without motor.

If you remove DOS7 (7.1 to be exact) from 98 there's nothing left to run. 98 is just pretty candy on top of DOS. Windows 3.0 was still pure Operating Environment, DOS Extender. 3.11 was first that was called "Operating System" but it still relies on DOS pretty much on everything. Windows 95 (and 95B OSR2, 98 and Me) was build on top of that to offer 32 bit operations. And it relies purely on DOS7. It's just dirty "patch" to 3.11.

If you wish to call it Operating System then go ahead. But it's nothing but shell on top of DOS.



Saying 98 is not an os is like calling OSX a GUI for BSD, or calling winXP a GUI for 2k.
XP is not GUI on top of 2000. They are both same OS, NT5. Only significant difference is that XP has recoded GUI.

OS X is based on unix. Or to be exact, it's based on NEXTSTEP that incorporates parts of the BSD (which is implementation of unix) into it. So, OS X is not GUI. It is whole new operating system based on two other operating systems that was melted together and build new kernel for it (well, actually even that was adapted from already existing kernel). OS X's GUI utilizes Quartz windowsng system with Aqua theme on top of it. You can choose to use other GUIs, such as X11 windowing system based KDE, which then offers almost native support for Linux and BSD based applications.

[HibyPrime]

Quick format rewrites FST.
Full format rewrites FST and does surface scan.

Neither of those does zero filling.

Alright, I got that wrong. So instead of formatting to remove viruses, low level format then. Normal formatting has never failed to remove viruses for me, however.

No. Recycle bin is not way to delete file. It is just special directory where the files are moved when you "delete" them. They are just relocated in file structure. You don't really delete them. When you empty recycle bin, then the real delete is done.

Only way to really delete file in windows is to use delete command. Either from command line or by pressing shift while "deleting". It will not then move the file to recycle bin.

Altho, best way is to simply disable usage of recycle bin (from the properties of recycle bin folder). That way it's use is ignored and the files are deleted for real when you meant to delete them.

Thank you for proving my point, you can only delete the file through the recycling bin in windows (empty it, OBVIOUSLY), or you can bypass it through some options. The result is the same.

But notice, that even tho the files are deleted, they are still recoverable. Deleting really means just setting the file pointer to null. The file's exact location on HD is forgotten by operating system and it's removed from file structure, and the space that was reserver for the file in file structure is set to be overwritten and free for re-use. The file itself is still physically on the HD exactly where it was before delete. If you wish, you can recover it by proper tools with couple clicks.

If you really want to destroy the file, you must rewrite over it several times random data (to the physical location of the file on HD). There is software that can do it for you. Windows, by default, cannot do it. And format does not do it.

That's why I was saying it is possible to delete the exact blocks/sectors the file is on in the hard drive, through DOS. That is also why I said deleting viruses through the recycling bin does not get rid of the virus (and some other reasons, ie. the virus probably infected other files while it was running).

Yes, such virii exists but they are not common because they are pretty useless. The partition table can be simply restored by couple simple commands.

Boot sector virii are much more dangerous and can cause serious trouble. But even them can be removed with proper tools without damaging the disc.

You need a second disk and a second OS to restore the partitions. Seems like a pretty effective virus to me. (Unless the BIOS can restore them, I honestly don't know). Fdisk is useless for this, I've tried to restore partitions with it, it doesent work, it just deletes them (wasn't a virus that caused the problem).

NT3.1 was OS/2 based. Or simply, it was renamed OS/2 3.0.

NT3.5 and NT3.51 are pretty much just little improvements over 3.1 and basically just adapting few things from Windows 3.10 and 3.11 for Workstation.

NT4 is only based on NT3.1 but is more compatible with Windows 9x line than with OS/2. Tho, 9x and NT4 are still far from cross compatible.

NT5 (Windows 2000) is pretty much nothing like NT3.1 (OS/2 3.0). The biggest change was that it can finally run most of the 9x line applications. 9x cannot run NT based applications (because 9x lacks NT api).

NT5.1 (Windows XP) is pretty much the same as NT5 with tiny changes. The biggest and the most useless change is it's GUI.

NT5.2 (Server 2003) is based on NT5 and NT5.1. Adapting the GUI of XP but not adapting all of it's bugs and annoyances. This was never meant for workstations. But it can be easily to modified to be run as normal desktop OS. It does not have perfect support for XP based applications but most of them works normally. Lack of device drivers are the biggest problem...

NT5.3 (XP 64bit) is based on NT5.1, by rewriting big part of it to be able to use the 64bit extension of AMD's 64bit processor (which was then adapted to Intel chips, too, with some changes).

You mean Intel stole AMD64, refused to pay royalties, and renamed it to EMT64 (AMD pays intel for all the little instruction sets and the x86 architecture, but intel won't pay amd).

Ok, so you just proved that OS/2 V3 is directly related to XP and was developed by MS (with little residual code left from IBM helping to develop OS/2 V1). MS developed these, aswell as win9x. Their OS philosophy is easly seen plastered across all of their OSs.

98 is OS as much as a motorbike is motorbike without motor.

If you remove DOS7 (7.1 to be exact) from 98 there's nothing left to run. 98 is just pretty candy on top of DOS. Windows 3.0 was still pure Operating Environment, DOS Extender. 3.11 was first that was called "Operating System" but it still relies on DOS pretty much on everything. Windows 95 (and 95B OSR2, 98 and Me) was build on top of that to offer 32 bit operations. And it relies purely on DOS7. It's just dirty "patch" to 3.11.

If you wish to call it Operating System then go ahead. But it's nothing but shell on top of DOS.

The shell combined with DOS is an operating system. Windows 98 refers to more than just the shell, it refers to the whole package.

XP is not GUI on top of 2000. They are both same OS, NT5. Only significant difference is that XP has recoded GUI.

OS X is based on unix. Or to be exact, it's based on NEXTSTEP that incorporates parts of the BSD (which is implementation of unix) into it. So, OS X is not GUI. It is whole new operating system based on two other operating systems that was melted together and build new kernel for it (well, actually even that was adapted from already existing kernel). OS X's GUI utilizes Quartz windowsng system with Aqua theme on top of it. You can choose to use other GUIs, such as X11 windowing system based KDE, which then offers almost native support for Linux and BSD based applications.

I guess I was not clear enough with the sarcasm... My point was that OSX is NOT a GUI for BSD, and XP is NOT a GUI for 2k.

[RMJ]

Alright, I got that wrong. So instead of formatting to remove viruses, low level format then. Normal formatting has never failed to remove viruses for me, however.
Low level formatting is not to be done for modern hard drive. It rewrites sector information and modern hard drives has so complex sector information with lots of extra data in it that chances are that it fucks up it totally and renders the HD totally useless. Only manufacture itself does low level format for HD.

And even if you'd do that, it still wouldn't touch the data anyway. It only rewrites sector information and leave other surface of the HD untouched.

Altho, some sources misuses "low-level format" term when they actually mean zero filling. But that has nothing to do with actual formatting and file structure. So the whole term is totally misleading.

And formatting does not get rid off of any virus. But it basically hides it from the OS so it cannot be run accidentally. Tho, nothing prevents running it if you want to run it.



Thank you for proving my point, you can only delete the file through the recycling bin in windows (empty it, OBVIOUSLY), or you can bypass it through some options. The result is the same.
Like said, recycle bin is not way to delete files. It is just folder like any other. It only has special purpose in windows eyes and it moves removed files there. It does not delete them.

Only way to delete is to really delete the file and not to move it to recycle bin. And that is what you do also when you "empty recycle bin". Then you delete it.



That's why I was saying it is possible to delete the exact blocks/sectors the file is on in the hard drive, through DOS. That is also why I said deleting viruses through the recycling bin does not get rid of the virus (and some other reasons, ie. the virus probably infected other files while it was running).
You don't need DOS for that. You can permanently destroy file in any operating system, including Windows. But in all operating systems, you will need additional software to do it, because it requires low level access to hard drive.



You need a second disk and a second OS to restore the partitions. Seems like a pretty effective virus to me. (Unless the BIOS can restore them, I honestly don't know). Fdisk is useless for this, I've tried to restore partitions with it, it doesent work, it just deletes them (wasn't a virus that caused the problem).
All you need is floppy or CD with some OS and one tool to restore partition table. Or restore teh partition table before you exit the OS where the virus infected it.

And yes, DOS's Fdisk is useless. For anything. Use unix/linux FDisk.



Ok, so you just proved that OS/2 V3 is directly related to XP and was developed by MS (with little residual code left from IBM helping to develop OS/2 V1). MS developed these, aswell as win9x. Their OS philosophy is easly seen plastered across all of their OSs.

OS/2 relation to XP is pretty much non-existence. Even NT4 is not compatible with OS/2 anymore. It might have line or two from the original OS/2.


The shell combined with DOS is an operating system. Windows 98 refers to more than just the shell, it refers to the whole package.

If you wish to call it that...



I guess I was not clear enough with the sarcasm... My point was that OSX is NOT a GUI for BSD, and XP is NOT a GUI for 2k.
[/quote]
Yes, they aren't.

And 98 isn't OS.

[HibyPrime]

Altho, some sources misuses "low-level format" term when they actually mean zero filling. But that has nothing to do with actual formatting and file structure. So the whole term is totally misleading.

That's what I was reffering to (zero filling), I had no idea there was a difference.

Like said, recycle bin is not way to delete files. It is just folder like any other. It only has special purpose in windows eyes and it moves removed files there. It does not delete them.

Only way to delete is to really delete the file and not to move it to recycle bin. And that is what you do also when you "empty recycle bin". Then you delete it.

You just repeated what I said.



I've basically reached the limits of my knowledge here, and you seem to keep going. Other than the recycling bin thing, I can't make any more counter arguments.

/bow

[RMJ]

You just repeated what I said.
No, I try to make you understand the difference between deleting and moving them to recycle bin.

Recycle bin is totally useless in file deletion. And there's no point of using it.



I've basically reached the limits of my knowledge here, and you seem to keep going. Other than the recycling bin thing, I can't make any more counter arguments.

/bow
You must be first one ever to admit that. That make you to be placed very high on the list of people I respect. :p

[HibyPrime]

That make you to be placed very high on the list of people I respect. :p

:D

As are you.

[marik]

i used Norton and detect in one seconds! LoL i was surprised about that Atra!:D i have a screen shot here:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7683/eicartestfilevirusmz5.png

[Uméesha]

am using McAfee antivirus and has detected the virus in 2 sec here it is

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/UmeshAlizee/assd.jpg

[atra201]

a good thread shouldn't be a waste
so lets have like "a tip a day" thing
i'll start and please participate

[atra201]

here is the answer:

1. Go to desktop and right click then choose new and choose shortcut.
2. in the path name write the following with out the quotes "shutdown -s -t 0"
...........................(JUST COPY & PASTE)
3. click next
4. name your shortcut "Shutdown PC" for instance.
5.click next
now drag that shortcut to the "quick launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"

[marik]

here is the answer:

1. Go to desktop and right click then choose new and choose shortcut.
2. in the path name write the following with out the quotes "shutdown -s -t 0"
...........................(JUST COPY & PASTE)
3. click next
4. name your shortcut "Shutdown PC" for instance.
5.click next
now drag that shortcut to the "quick launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"

how? i dont get it sorry!:confused:

[Uméesha]

procedure:

1. Right click on your desktop and click on new command.
2. in the new command click shortcut.
3. A dialogue box will appear in that path, copy the following quotes shutdown -s -t 0 and click next
4. Name the Short cut as your wish, let say "Shut Down" and click next.
5. Now drag that shortcut to the "Quick Launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click..

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"

[marik]

procedure:

1. Right click on your desktop and click on new command.
2. in the new command click shortcut.
3. A dialogue box will appear in that path, copy the following quotes shutdown -s -t 0 and click next
4. Name the Short cut as your wish, let say "Shut Down" and click next.
5. Now drag that shortcut to the "Quick Launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click..

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"


thanks Umesh!:) it works! also atra! thanks!

nice quote!

[Uméesha]

here is the answer:

1. Go to desktop and right click then choose new and choose shortcut.
2. in the path name write the following with out the quotes "shutdown -s -t 0"
...........................(JUST COPY & PASTE)
3. click next
4. name your shortcut "Shutdown PC" for instance.
5.click next
now drag that shortcut to the "quick launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"

atra, it works good..... but the easiest way of shutdowning the system is
just press the shutdown button on your CPU.... it automatically shuts down.... try it now...


Edit: This option is only used for Window 2000 and Windows XP.

[SpeedShift]

Tip of the day:
Sick of the standard Windows interface? Not configurable enough? Replace it entirely!
SharpE is an Windows Explorer Shell replacement that gives you visual and technical configurability. It is of course still a WIP, but it very usable, even in it's unfinished state. Check it out: SharpE (http://www.sharpe-shell.org/news.php)
And if this doesn't look like what you are looking for, there are other Shell replacements as well, from commercial ones such as Aston Shell (http://www.astonshell.com/), or Talisman (http://www.lighttek.com/talisman.htm), to free Shells like LiteStep (http://www.litestep.net/).

[RMJ]

Why would someone want to shut computer. :blink:

[riva2model64]

Why would someone want to shut computer. :blink:

to save energy (and money). ppl these days seem to be so concerned about energy efficiency, why not just turn off computer when not using it.

[RMJ]

Cheaper to keep it on than replace broken parts due to constant restarting.

And electricity isn't that expensive anyways. Or if you think it is, just turn off one light bulb.

[riva2model64]

that's true. but my house uses those 15w flourescent bulbs, so I'd have to turn off 4 light bulbs:)

[RMJ]

Well, turn them off then... It's summer anyways. Sun is up 24 hours a day.

[espire]

Sun is up 24 hours a day.


RMJ, I thought you lived in Finland, not the north pole!

[Fusoya]

Using Avast Antivirus and it responded just like it would be a virus :)

[atra201]

how? i dont get it sorry!:confused:
sorry i was there for you
procedure:

1. Right click on your desktop and click on new command.
2. in the new command click shortcut.
3. A dialogue box will appear in that path, copy the following quotes shutdown -s -t 0 and click next
4. Name the Short cut as your wish, let say "Shut Down" and click next.
5. Now drag that shortcut to the "Quick Launch" bar
and you'll have a way to shut down with one click..

also you can do the same thing to restart your PC juct do the same steps but in step (2) write without the quotes "shutdown -r -t 0"
thanks for the explanation

[atra201]

atra, it works good..... but the easiest way of shutdowning the system is
just press the shutdown button on your CPU.... it automatically shuts down.... try it now...


Edit: This option is only used for Window 2000 and Windows XP.
well sometimes you're too tired to go there
i mean you haven't eaten or slept in like 24 hours and just want to go to bed.
BTW forgot to mention my tips are only for Windows XP.

[atra201]

Why would someone want to shut computer. :blink:
well may be not all of us have the same technology that you have.

[espire]

Heh, Unix variants have a much shorter command to do that, I just forgot it. I used to know quite a bit of Unix, actually. Wonder where it went...

[atra201]

O.K.
what if maximizing a windows just won't cut it for you?
what if you need a full screen mode?
then hold down the ctrl keyy while double clicking on the title bar of the desired window and it should go to full screen mode
and thanks all

[Uméesha]

O.K.
what if maximizing a windows just won't cut it for you?
what if you need a full screen mode?
then hold down the ctrl keyy while double clicking on the title bar of the desired window and it should go to full screen mode
and thanks all

thanks for this info atra,

but the easiest way for the full screen mode is just press F11 function key to get the full screen mode... it's very easy... try it now!

holding down the ctrl key while double clicking is very time consuming...

just press F11 key in your keyboard when you are active in the web page!:D

[marik]

thanks for this info atra,

but the easiest way for the full screen mode is just press F11 function key to get the full screen mode... it's very easy... try it now!

holding down the ctrl key while double clicking is very time consuming...

just press F11 key in your keyboard when you are active in the web page!:D

thanks Umesh!:) great ST!:)

[atra201]

thanks for this info atra,

but the easiest way for the full screen mode is just press F11 function key to get the full screen mode... it's very easy... try it now!

holding down the ctrl key while double clicking is very time consuming...

just press F11 key in your keyboard when you are active in the web page!:D
but the easiest way for the full screen mode is just press F11 function key to get the full screen mode... it's very easy... try it now!

[Uméesha]

but the easiest way for the full screen mode is just press F11 function key to get the full screen mode... it's very easy... try it now!

atra you are loling me! com'on man!

[atra201]

no i'm saying something else

[espire]

Alright, how about this one:

To make your computer work the way you want it to, simply toss it out the window and buy a Mac!

I can see the Alizée sell-out now:

Tes choix c'est toc de Mac!

[RMJ]

RMJ, I thought you lived in Finland, not the north pole!
If you haven't noticed, Finland locates at polar circle, which happens to be the southest point where sun won't set at summer. So little over one third of Finland has sun above horizon all around clock for certain time of the summer. And in rest of the Finland, the sun is so close to horizon that it will light the nights all around the clock during summer.


well may be not all of us have the same technology that you have.
And what might be that technology you don't have ?


Alright, how about this one:

To make your computer work the way you want it to, simply toss it out the window and buy a Mac!

I can see the Alizée sell-out now:

Tes choix c'est toc de Mac!
I doubt this would work very well...

Since the phrase (freely) translates to "Your choice is fake of Mac". ("du toc" = "fake stuff")

[espire]

If you haven't noticed, Finland locates at polar circle, which happens to be the southest point where sun won't set at summer. So little over one third of Finland has sun above horizon all around clock for certain time of the summer. And in rest of the Finland, the sun is so close to horizon that it will light the nights all around the clock during summer.

I didn't notice, but that's awesome! Not joking, that's really cool. Gah... Pun mostly unintended

Since the phrase (freely) translates to "Your choice is fake of Mac". ("du toc" = "fake stuff")

Both "toc" and "mac" are very obscure words, but you're right. However, the expression, when used as a pun, would make the Mac seem unreal :p

[atra201]

Todays tip is a bit advanced so becarfull with it.

1.go to start\run and type "regedit" without the quotes
2.when the Registry Editor opens do the following:

Go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SOFTWARE \ Microsoft \ Windows NT \ CurrentVersion \ Winlogon \ SpecialAccounts \ UserList \

Right-click an empty space in the right pane and select New > DWORD Value Name the new value Administrator. Double-click this new value, and enter 1 as it's Value data.

Close the registry editor and restart.

[SpeedShift]

About every one or two months a regular disk defragment is recommended, it organizes the files on your hard disk and cleans up fragmented files so that access is faster. (It is does not change the location or setup of your files.)

1. Open up 'My Computer'. It will either be on your Desktop, or in your start menu.
2. Right click on your hard drive (Most of the time it is called '(C: ) Local Disk' but not always. If you have multiple hard drives or partitions, I would recommend degfragmenting them one at a time, just to prevent confusion.).
3. Click on 'Properties'.
4. Under the 'Tools' tab, click 'Defragment Now'.
5. Now the Defragment manager should be open. Press 'Defragment', and it should begin. (Note: The defragment may take longer if you have a large hard drive, or if you haven't defragmented in a while.)

[Uméesha]

Todays tip is a bit advanced so becarfull with it.

1.go to start\run and type "regedit" without the quotes
2.when the Registry Editor opens do the following:

Go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SOFTWARE \ Microsoft \ Windows NT \ CurrentVersion \ Winlogon \ SpecialAccounts \ UserList \

Right-click an empty space in the right pane and select New > DWORD Value Name the new value Administrator. Double-click this new value, and enter 1 as it's Value data.

Close the registry editor and restart.

Alert: this command is only for advanced users....:D so becareful by doing so... since if u change any registry key.... the OS will be corrupted...

thank you atra

[Uméesha]

About every one or two months a regular disk defragment is recommended, it organizes the files on your hard disk and cleans up fragmented files so that access is faster. (It is does not change the location or setup of your files.)

1. Open up 'My Computer'. It will either be on your Desktop, or in your start menu.
2. Right click on your hard drive (Most of the time it is called '(C: ) Local Disk' but not always. If you have multiple hard drives or partitions, I would recommend degfragmenting them one at a time, just to prevent confusion.).
3. Click on 'Properties'.
4. Under the 'Tools' tab, click 'Defragment Now'.
5. Now the Defragment manager should be open. Press 'Defragment', and it should begin. (Note: The defragment may take longer if you have a large hard drive, or if you haven't defragmented in a while.)

good tip speepshift.... this improves the performance of the system and working too.... it satifies our thought....

it allocate the files and folder and arranges systematically.... thank you for the tip

[marik]

Alert: this command is only for advanced users....:D so becareful by doing so... since if u change any registry key.... the OS will be corrupted...

thank you atra

yeah Umesh! like me im a Rookie!:D

[Unknown]

if Marik is Rookie then im Beginner!
cause dont have much know some in PC education some of the basics! and some difficulties!:)

[marik]

if Marik is Rookie then im Beginner!
cause dont have much know some in PC education some of the basics! and some difficulties!:)



if Slifer is Begineer! then Slifer is a good guy and good friend!:)
;)

[marik]

:)dont worry Slifer when you visit me in my house ill teach you some in Computers! its Free!:)


ill sure you!

[Uméesha]

if Slifer is Begineer! then Slifer is a good guy and good friend!:)
;)

Each and every person will come from basic beginners marik.... no one will be brilliant without basic.... am too rookie in one season....:) but i think in the future u and sliffer will be much having some ideas related to computer!

[marik]

Each and every person will come from basic beginners marik.... no one will be brilliant without basic.... am too rookie in one season....:) but i think in the future u and sliffer will be much having some ideas related to computer!

yeah Umesh! thats the lesson i learn again to you!

[Rahul]

Each and every person will come from basic beginners marik.... no one will be brilliant without basic.... am too rookie in one season....:) but i think in the future u and sliffer will be much having some ideas related to computer!

i want a good author of basics. do u know any one? if u know just tell me Umesh. i have to learn the basics

[Uméesha]

i want a good author of basics. do u know any one? if u know just tell me Umesh. i have to learn the basics

i was a rookie when i was studying 6th standard... there are many good books but i found a goodone author named - Kother an foreign author.... i used to learn basics from that book... so it's very easy and you can prepare to read for it... so

[atra201]

1.click start\run
write control userpasswords2
2. click enter
In the dialog box that appears, enable Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer check box, and then click OK.

[Uméesha]

1.click start\run
write control userpasswords2
2. click enter
In the dialog box that appears, enable Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer check box, and then click OK.

nice stuff atra.... more more!

[dagle]

create a file in the c:\windows\win32 thats called forkbomb.bat and then open it with a texteditor. Then enter this (the text under) and double click on it.

::forkbomb.bat
:s
start %0 "forkbomb.bat"
goto s

A restart might be necessary after this :)

[atra201]

create a file in the c:\windows\win32 thats called forkbomb.bat and then open it with a texteditor. Then enter this (the text under) and double click on it.

::forkbomb.bat
:s
start %0 "forkbomb.bat"
goto s

A restart might be necessary after this :)
you failed to mention what it is supposed to do

[atra201]

This tip allows you to change the font size in Internet Explorer.
Just hold crtl and move the mouse wheel.
Enjoy

[Uméesha]

Easy Log Off Administrator

Hold Windows key and 'L' key simultaneously.... it will log off.
any time you can log in, without losing any application which is in use! it is same as Hibernating...

[dagle]

you failed to mention what it is supposed to do
It's forksbomb, so don't try it if you don't want to do a restart or test how secure your comp is.
Btw, it seems to most windows stuff here.. :p

[atra201]

Simply right click on the desktop and choose properties to get to the display properties. Choose the Desktop tab and click the Customize Desktop button. From there you can un-click the "Run Desktop Cleaner every 60 days" button.

[Killian]

Okay, I have McAfee VirusScan and I made the .txt file (in notebook) and saved it to My Documents, but it was not detected. Uh... help!!!

EDIT: Sorry guys, got it to work. Just read this http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=379028

[Uméesha]

Okay, I have McAfee VirusScan and I made the .txt file (in notebook) and saved it to My Documents, but it was not detected. Uh... help!!!

EDIT: Sorry guys, got it to work. Just read this http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq3.asp?docid=379028

hey killian have u updated the Mcafee antivirus?.... that will the main reason for not detecting the file EICHAR.COM... am too Mcacfee user.. detected the virus!;)

[RMJ]

Easy Log Off Administrator

Hold Windows key and 'L' key simultaneously.... it will log off.
any time you can log in, without losing any application which is in use! it is same as Hibernating...

It is not log off...

And it's definitely not same as hibernate. Not even close.


It's simply screen lock.

[Uméesha]

It is not log off...

And it's definitely not same as hibernate. Not even close.


It's simply screen lock.

they sorry RMJ they have made mistake in the Computer magazine...

[RMJ]

They better be...

How I'm not surprised it was from some magazine... It seems like every computer magazine is written by full of idiots who knows nothing about computers. :blink:

[Uméesha]

They better be...

How I'm not surprised it was from some magazine... It seems like every computer magazine is written by full of idiots who knows nothing about computers. :blink:

RMJ, why are u so much angry with the computer magazine? did they done anything for u?:confused:

not all of them but some persons do like that:rolleyes:
ok yeah ill agree to it:)