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brad
11-09-2006, 07:08 PM
here is the story

http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 07:09 PM
thats great brad, 10 hours from now ill be at work..lol. ill get ya tomorrow afternoon though;)

oops didnt read the time? 5:00PM tomorrow? more like 22 hours from now..lol

brad
11-09-2006, 07:14 PM
thats great brad, 10 hours from now ill be at work..lol. ill get ya tomorrow afternoon though;)

damn why did i put 10 hrs ... i will have to edit it real fast so people don't know what you are talking about .. lol

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 07:16 PM
lol you're such a jerk. i will be on at 5pm. what video you puttin up?

mibir
11-09-2006, 07:17 PM
That's great Brad, 22 hours from now i'll be at work..lol. I'll get ya tomorrow afternoon though ;).

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 07:18 PM
That's great Brad, 22 hours from now i'll be at work..lol. I'll get ya tomorrow afternoon though ;).

is there an echo? is there an echo?

why you gotta be a smart guy?

brad
11-09-2006, 07:18 PM
for some reason it always seem to be you that finds my stupid mistakes .. lol

as for the video .. i was thinking one of these 2

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=11

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=9

I submittied La isla bonita before, but it is out of the cue for a long time now.

mibir
11-09-2006, 07:20 PM
is there an echo? is there an echo?

why you gotta be a smart guy?

Because I'm an asshole.

Anyways, Brad just move it back to 4:00est and I can participate!!!!

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 07:23 PM
Because I'm an asshole.

Anyways, Brad just move it back to 4:00est and I can participate!!!!

this is true. stay clear of those dicks you hang out with...

the JEAM vid is a good one brad, submit that one

brad
11-09-2006, 07:23 PM
Anyways, Brad just move it back to 4:00est and I can participate!!!!

ok 4:00 EST it is. if a lot of people reply we can find a better time / day too.

mibir
11-09-2006, 07:24 PM
Thanks Brad :).

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 07:26 PM
Thanks Brad :).

good, no saucey comeback...

4pm it is brad!

Spartan500
11-09-2006, 07:58 PM
I will gladly take part in the digg

bt_bird_90
11-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Well if all the cool kids are doing it I might as well too.

Cooney
11-09-2006, 08:24 PM
I'm all for it. I won't be able to digg it until about 1800 Eastern, but I'll certainly do it then.

nurvonic
11-09-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm all for it. I won't be able to digg it until about 1800 Eastern, but I'll certainly do it then.

1800 = 6pm for all you civilians;)

NANAKI
11-09-2006, 10:23 PM
I am a civillian and I know military time it isn't hard to read we use it at work. I would post the JEAM video over LIB

DJ_Greg
11-09-2006, 10:32 PM
Well if all the cool kids are doing it I might as well too.

Did I say I was doing it? I must have missed that...

rcs
11-09-2006, 11:53 PM
Cool, Operation Digg is on!!! :cool:

HibyPrime
11-10-2006, 03:00 AM
I'm not going to do it.

Bring on the flames :D

jaco
11-10-2006, 06:31 AM
I'll try to be there. So 1600 EST is final right?

atra201
11-10-2006, 08:02 AM
at that time i'll be in bed .
but a fresh course on digg
i sign in then "subment a story" then the url of one of the vids at the top
after that i write something about it and that's it?

jaco
11-10-2006, 03:48 PM
so are we supposed to start in 10 minutes or did I get the time wrong?

Moe
11-10-2006, 03:54 PM
where is digg link?

brad
11-10-2006, 03:58 PM
http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

digg away :D

jaco
11-10-2006, 04:01 PM
dugg :) that was fast no?

brad
11-10-2006, 04:04 PM
lol .. very fast :P

damnit, i put 'dacing' instead of 'dancing' .. lol

Ben
11-10-2006, 04:08 PM
Digg dugg. No one daces quite like Alizée!

Luc
11-10-2006, 04:12 PM
I had to register first, but dugg too :)

brad
11-10-2006, 04:18 PM
most stories get promoted when they reach around 35 diggs

we might need more than that, but I think we have a pretty good shot. If people just click on the link they will love the video :)

brad
11-10-2006, 04:22 PM
sweet .. i just saw us pop up on the swarm a few seconds ago. pretty cool

http://labs.digg.com/swarm/?upcoming

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 04:26 PM
sweet .. i just saw us pop up on the swarm a few seconds ago. pretty cool

http://labs.digg.com/swarm/?upcoming
You're welcome :p

Moe
11-10-2006, 04:29 PM
wooohoo alizee!

brad
11-10-2006, 04:31 PM
http://labs.digg.com/swarm/

that thing is pretty cool, with all the stories

Matrix
11-10-2006, 04:33 PM
Dugg it! Third story I saw on list only had 87 diggs!!! :eek:

brad
11-10-2006, 04:34 PM
digg this story too .. i want to see if it pulls us into the 'swarm' thing .. lol

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Free_Open_Source_Gaming_at_its_Best

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 04:41 PM
It shall be done, oh great webmaster

jaco
11-10-2006, 04:42 PM
In case people are coming late to this thread, digg this:
http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

nurvonic
11-10-2006, 04:46 PM
lol .. very fast :P

damnit, i put 'dacing' instead of 'dancing' .. lol

yeah i was gonna point that out

i dugg it and added a comment

Spartan500
11-10-2006, 05:50 PM
I dugg and commented

jaco
11-10-2006, 05:53 PM
So far we're one of the most popular upcoming videos posted, see:

http://www.digg.com/view/videos/upcoming/cloud

brad
11-10-2006, 05:59 PM
i just setup the thumbnail integration thing with digg

our stories should start showing the video thumbnails next to the story soon :D

Ben
11-10-2006, 07:22 PM
We only need about 10 more diggs. C'mon people, dace!

brad
11-10-2006, 07:22 PM
a story that was submitted 45 mins before us, just got promoted with 25 diggs.

Ben
11-10-2006, 07:25 PM
Posted about this on AF. We'll crush that other story.
http://www.alizee-forum.com/topic,15808,-opperation-digg.html

brad
11-10-2006, 07:28 PM
nice :)

there are probably a few people over there with established digg accounts too .. that will help even more :D

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 07:30 PM
Snatcher calling in reinforcements from the others.

Thank you for helping to bridge the gap between our two peoples.
:o

RMJ
11-10-2006, 08:02 PM
i don't know my login !

I'l l do it at morning whne I woke up

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 08:05 PM
this is a digg day, no time for sleep!

Cooney
11-10-2006, 08:54 PM
Do I Digg it? You better believe it! Dugg, Dugg, and Dugg again!

So, shall we summon the Alizée Alliance, or email nidalizee about it? :-D

jaco
11-10-2006, 08:55 PM
We're at 32 diggs now.. If we get a few more, we should be able to get it promoted (http://www.digg.com/view/all)..... so keep digging if you haven't done so!

http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

brad
11-10-2006, 09:00 PM
yes it is looking really good. we still have 20 hours left in the upcoming stories section :D

we are doing way better than last time already :)

Senshi87
11-10-2006, 09:07 PM
its looking good :D

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 09:08 PM
Do I Digg it? You better believe it! Dugg, Dugg, and Dugg again!

So, shall we summon the Alizée Alliance, or email nidalizee about it? :-D
I still haven't totally figured their system out, but imo, this one has been up for more than a few hours now. I think we should keep it growing as long as we can, but not to use our "big guns" just yet. Maybe we can spam the message boards and send out newsletters for a more organized "big digg" and make it an international Alizée-fan effort.

EDIT: Oops, if it will still be counted as new for 24 hours, screw all this, digg away!

brad
11-10-2006, 09:13 PM
it doesnt take many diggs to get to the homepage. the real thing is who are the ones digging it.

it only takes a few popular users to digg something to make it hit the homepage. they definitely give more weight to people who digg a lot of other popular stories.

Ben
11-10-2006, 09:17 PM
they definitely give more weight to people who digg a lot of other popular stories.
Damn bourgeoisie elitist swine...

brad
11-10-2006, 09:32 PM
We made it !!!

http://digg.com/

if you choose view all we are #1

way to go! now lets see if the server survives :D

Twitch
11-10-2006, 09:37 PM
I read an article that most of the homepage articles are submitted by about something as low as 10% of digg users. But like the article said hardcore digg users are more likely to know when and what to submit to get a lot of diggs quickly. But it also stated very clearly that diggs by established members who have submitted popular stories are weighted more heavily. And that stories submitted by these users could be promoted with as little as 25 diggs, but stories submitted by non established members often needed in excess of 40. I'll try and digg up the article, but I think it was a story on digg.com. (numbers might be off it was a while back since I read the article)

brad
11-10-2006, 09:45 PM
server got hammered .. but we are back :D

jaco
11-10-2006, 09:48 PM
Interesting stats:

http://duggtrends.com/digggraph.aspx?diggurl=http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

bt_bird_90
11-10-2006, 09:49 PM
I noticed the site wasn't coming up for a bit, then checked over on digg.com.

CONGRATULATIONS BRAD AND THANKS TO ALL THAT :D :p DIGG'D:p :D

Twitch
11-10-2006, 09:54 PM
The cat is definitely out of the bag now, the number of diggs is really going up fast now. :D

brad
11-10-2006, 10:00 PM
this is awesome. server is hanging in there fine, loads are reasonable (dual xeon) .. i think the hosting company is throttling it a little bit. i just emailed them to let them know to let it through.

Spartan500
11-10-2006, 10:12 PM
look it's number eight http://digg.com/view/all/popular/today/page8

brad
11-10-2006, 10:44 PM
server is still doing good, i found the bottleneck though. i have a 100mb uplink from the server to the network at the co-lo.

it is maxed .. lol

https://orbit.theplanet.com/nav_hardware/rtg_img.php?graph=10.0.2.15&table=10_0_5_137&iid=6800&begin=1163129937&end=1163216337&title1=TO_INTERNET&title2=FROM_INTERNET

justchil
11-10-2006, 10:47 PM
Apache tweaked.. seems to be fast as hell once again!

brad
11-10-2006, 10:48 PM
justchil jsut did a little server magic and seems to have improved it quite a bit :)

justchil
11-10-2006, 10:57 PM
or maybe not lol

brad
11-10-2006, 10:58 PM
our story just went up 3 spots again on digg :)

Lili likes the homepage!

Spartan500
11-10-2006, 11:18 PM
I'm glad to see operation digg v.2 is working good. look at this http://digg.com/ were on the homepage although i just relized brad posted that before me lol

brad
11-10-2006, 11:22 PM
i took a screenshot of when we first made it :)

http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3936&g2_imageViewsIndex=1&g2_GALLERYSID=440be056c2b021a43e0577e6b740ae32

Ben
11-11-2006, 12:00 AM
Damn Brad, you've kept me up 'till 6am following this... it's mesmerizing...

brad
11-11-2006, 12:05 AM
Damn Brad, you've kept me up 'till 6am following this... it's mesmerizing...

justchil and i are learning a lot about optimizing this better for next time. if you are going to get thousands of visitors a minute, it is a good idea not to have so many mysql queries on the page .. lol

next time i will make a special page without any dynamic queries going on in the background ..

we have just exposed Alizée to the largest audience in a long time :)

brad
11-11-2006, 12:10 AM
lol .. i am trying to rewrite the page a lil to help with the mysql connections but it keeps getting hammered before i can finish uploading it

Ben
11-11-2006, 12:14 AM
"Next time"... well, I'm sure you agree that we should let Digg rest for awhile. I was surprised how many people complained just about the fact that we posted and voted for this. What other popular sites like Digg are there?

Anyway, serious congrats. I wonder if we'll be seeing many new posters now. I also wonder how much traffic AF contributed... and lets not forget that guy who gave you this video. ;)

brad
11-11-2006, 12:40 AM
"Next time"... well, I'm sure you agree that we should let Digg rest for awhile. I was surprised how many people complained just about the fact that we posted and voted for this. What other popular sites like Digg are there?

Anyway, serious congrats. I wonder if we'll be seeing many new posters now. I also wonder how much traffic AF contributed... and lets not forget that guy who gave you this video. ;)

i would have never discovered Alizee without alizee-forum and all of the videos people like you, dandy, and all of the other members there that upload great vids :)

i think we will get a ton of new lurkers, and eventually a lot of new active members. i knew a lot of people there would complain about 'gaming' digg .. but i really don't care. digg has a great moderation system, all people have to do is 'bury' the story, if enough people do .. the story goes away.

it made the homepage because it deserved to :) now it will hang our in the top videos all week .. im sure there will be a lot of new fans coming

Ben
11-11-2006, 12:54 AM
Heh no worries Brad, just playing. Wasn't really asking for credit or anything, we're all in this together for Alizée. But I do just wonder how much traffic came from AF since not many people posted in the thread there.

And yeah, I don't see why anyone should complain about what we did. How does digg work if not by word of mouth like this? And honestly, I don't think even a fraction of those 250+ and counting diggs is us.

But yeah, I think the "next time" should be on a different site, so we don't outlast our welcome. Any ideas?

EDIT: And hah hah, this is an interesting comment: "Damn, I think she just turned me straight!"

brad
11-11-2006, 01:04 AM
there is nothing quite like digg. it is in many ways driving the whole 'web 2.0' thing. there are other websites though, netscape.com basically copied digg and they have a modest following.. and there are others.

i can't tell you how many people are going to see this video over the next week or so. being in that top videos section is going to give Alizee huge exposure in the USA.

i am going to have to buy a lot more bandwidth for this month ... but it is well worth it .. lol

Ben
11-11-2006, 01:20 AM
Hmm, cool. :)

Someone should post about this on the Alliance, so maybe Emilie will mention it on nidalizee.com and Alizée will see how much support she has here.

I could try, though no way should I attempt French on this little sleep... and besides, maybe this requires a more accurate touch. aFrenchie? Garcon?

brad
11-11-2006, 01:29 AM
Hmm, cool. :)

so maybe Emilie will mention it on nidalizee.com and Alizée will see how much support she has here.



now that would be awesome, im not sure if she would post about our website though .. we are pretty new (and all english). be amazing if she did though :)

DJ_Greg
11-11-2006, 01:59 AM
Man...this explains why the forum is sooooo slow right now! But it's worth it. :D

bt_bird_90
11-11-2006, 02:03 AM
I think a youtube video would be the best way to go. Keep links to other sites in it so people can take the extra step and hunt down information if they want to, but people get to see Alizée nonetheless.The bandwidth wouldn't be solely brad's problem and it's not like we're just spamming for moi-alizee.us

Ben
11-11-2006, 02:34 AM
now that would be awesome, im not sure if she would post about our website though .. we are pretty new (and all english). be amazing if she did though :)
Well it would be more about the Digg article, which they've done before (at least on the Alliance) when Alizée was on metacafe etc.

atra201
11-11-2006, 02:55 AM
how about we all make at least 10 digg accounts each and digg the same story by the 10 accounts
i.e. atra2011,atra2012,atra2013....
brad1,brad2.....
....
and digg.

jaco
11-11-2006, 03:00 AM
We shouldn't try to defraud the digg system by using multiple accounts. I'm pretty sure digg would recognize that accounts are being made from identical IP adresses and block them anyway. Anyway, as we saw on this digg, over 300 people dugg, so why would we try to game the system?

Gatchaman
11-11-2006, 03:05 AM
Awesome job guys! Over 300 diggs! BTW, I was 1st to comment on it. :D

Ben
11-11-2006, 03:19 AM
Awesome job guys! Over 300 diggs! BTW, I was 1st to comment on it. :D
Maybe, but I digged it before you. :p
Who's BaaKaam? Only he and jacoplane beat me. :D

Now, I must really GET TO SLEEP.

neoteny
11-11-2006, 05:39 AM
i took a screenshot of when we first made it :)


YEAH BABY!

atra201
11-11-2006, 07:45 AM
We shouldn't try to defraud the digg system by using multiple accounts. I'm pretty sure digg would recognize that accounts are being made from identical IP adresses and block them anyway. Anyway, as we saw on this digg, over 300 people dugg, so why would we try to game the system?

well it was just an idea no need to beat me over the head with a hammer. :D

nurvonic
11-11-2006, 08:09 AM
omg, i left yesterday afternoon and it only had about 14 diggs. now i come back and its at 362! what the hell happened yesterday? thats crazy. good job to everyone:cool:

justchil
11-11-2006, 08:13 AM
http://justchil.net/gallery2/d/47245-1/xeon_rape_1.gif

Moe
11-11-2006, 08:23 AM
wow nice graph! :D

Cooney
11-11-2006, 09:26 AM
Hahaha, nice graph there Justchil. I'm saving that one for future reference :-)

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:25 AM
So aFrenchie, Garcon, or someone... could you make a short message in French explaining what Digg is and what we accomplished there, that either you or I could post on the French Alizée forums? Thanks.

brad
11-11-2006, 10:47 AM
man .. that was a hell of a night.

i want to thank everyone who helped out, especially justchil. without his help last night I might not have been able to keep up with the server.

operation digg (v.2) accomplished!

nurvonic
11-11-2006, 11:46 AM
i just read all the comments that i missed last night. there are some sick ppl on that site lol. i wish i was there cuz i would of talked some shit, im a good shit talker. but anyway, good job guys, i think its almost up to 400 diggs

Ben
11-11-2006, 11:56 AM
i want to thank everyone who helped out, especially justchil. without his help last night I might not have been able to keep up with the server.
Yeah, you know despite the server being (totally understandably) touch-and-go for awhile, I was surprised to see it up at all after the initial flood. AF would have been down, down, down for days, and our accounts probably frozen. Good work guys!

EDIT: There it goes past the 400 mark!

brad
11-11-2006, 12:29 PM
we are still #1 in the music videos section .. almost 24 hours later :D

http://digg.com/videos_music

We are also still on the main videos page

http://digg.com/view/videos

This couldn't have worked out better, I knew we could do it .. but it is still suprising how perfect it all worked out. From what I can tell, only about 25 -30 of us (alizee america / alizee forum) actually dugg the story.

i was sure if people just got a chance to see her for a few seconds, they would like what they saw / heard :)

http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3946&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=440be056c2b021a43e0577e6b740ae32

RMJ
11-11-2006, 12:34 PM
Well, I digged now too like promised. :blink:

Nice to see it succeed. :)


But I'm not so sure what was accomplished with it anyways. We might see it in future. But currently, it's really hard to say. Maybe it will bring some new fans in the future but it's hard to tell.

We didn't get any new members to the forums, which is obvious of course if the server was not responding. Which again is clear sign that this kind of operation should be handled with servers with high capacity. Hosting the video on google and putting there clear links of fan sites for more information for those who are interested of it. That way the video is available whole time without interruptions and people are still able to browse the fan sites for further information. Now we can only hope that people will return to the site after day or two to check out if the server is back up and running.

Also choosing the video more carefully would be wise, too. Not that there's anything wrong with JEAM but this kind of performance attracts only one kind of people. As unfortunate as it is. It isn't very likely that those who are attracted by this video really becomes fan of her.

Just a few point from critical point of view...

garçoncanadien
11-11-2006, 12:35 PM
bonsoir Snatcher42, j'ai essayé de décrire le site-web digg en quelques mots ici. J'éspère que cela va convaincre les européens de notre mission :)



Bonjour à tous,

C’est évident que tout le monde connait Alizée en Europe, mais chez nous (l’Amerique du Nord) elle est presque inconnue ! Et cela est la raison pour laquelle brad faisait un site web américain consacré à notre chère fée clochette - www.moi-alizee.us . Malheureusement, Alizée et notre site ne sont que des gouttelettes d’eau dans le grand océan de la variété américaine et canadienne. Son site web est grand mais il y a beaucoup plus de pages consacrées aux musiciens comme Kenny Chesney, P Diddy, et Britney Spears !

Nous nous avons demandé comment est-ce que l’on puisse mieux faire notre fête sur l’internet, et nous avons trouvé www.digg.com. Le but de ce site web est de faire des publicités, et s’il y a assez de « diggs » - verlan pour « j’aime cette chose » - il y aura le chance d’être promouvu à la page d’accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite publicité que l’on a annoncé.

Si vous avez le temps, veuillez nous rendre visite chez http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre et s’il vous plaît faites-nous un digg. Il va falloir seulement créer un compte avec Digg et puis vous allez être capable de nous donner un digg en cliquant sur le carré jaune juste à côté du titre. C’est complètement gratuit – et c’est tout pour la faire connaître à l’Amérique du Nord.

Merci beaucoup de nous avoir supporté !

-garçoncanadien

brad
11-11-2006, 12:45 PM
Well, I digged now too like promised. :blink:

Nice to see it succeed. :)


But I'm not so sure what was accomplished with it anyways. We might see it in future. But currently, it's really hard to say. Maybe it will bring some new fans in the future but it's hard to tell.

We didn't get any new members to the forums, which is obvious of course if the server was not responding. Which again is clear sign that this kind of operation should be handled with servers with high capacity. Hosting the video on google and putting there clear links of fan sites for more information for those who are interested of it. That way the video is available whole time without interruptions and people are still able to browse the fan sites for further information. Now we can only hope that people will return to the site after day or two to check out if the server is back up and running.

Also choosing the video more carefully would be wise, too. Not that there's anything wrong with JEAM but this kind of performance attracts only one kind of people. As unfortunate as it is. It isn't very likely that those who are attracted by this video really becomes fan of her.

Just a few point from critical point of view...

Well .. the front page of digg is just something you have to survive, to get to the point we are at now. the server this website is on (dual xeon 2gb ram) is about the best you can get. you really need multiple servers / database servers to really survive the front page without missing a step. but we managed to keep the server online the whole time, we did limit db connections to the forums a while to let the video stream for all the new requests without interruption.

the real benefit in my mind starts today and continues for the next month. We will be in the main page in the music video section for close to a month. Tons of people will get to see it for a while now.

This will also help a TON with our google rankings, it might be enough to get us in the top 5 results in a few months. I don't look for a lot of new 'members' really. it took me 2 years to sign up on alizee-forum but I think there will be a lot of new 'fans' ..

brad
11-11-2006, 12:50 PM
bonsoir Snatcher42, j'ai essayé de décrire le site-web digg en quelques mots ici; à votre avis est-ce que cela va convaincre les français et les françaises de notre mission?

Bonjour à tous,

C’est évident que tout le monde connait Alizée en Europe, mais chez nous (l’Amerique du Nord) elle est presque inconnue ! Et cela est la raison pour laquelle brad faisait un site web américain consacré à notre chère fée clochette - www.moi-alizee.us . Malheureusement, Alizée et notre site ne sont que des gouttelettes d’eau dans le grand océan de la variété américaine et canadienne. Son site web est grand mais il y a beaucoup plus de pages consacrées aux musiciens comme Kenny Chesney, P Diddy, et Britney Spears !

Nous nous avons demandé comment est-ce que l’on puisse mieux faire notre fête sur l’internet, et nous avons trouvé www.digg.com. Le but de ce site web est de faire des publicités, et s’il y a assez de « diggs » - verlan pour « j’aime cette chose » - il y aura le chance d’être promouvu à la page d’accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite publicité que l’on a annoncé.

Si vous avez le temps, veuillez nous rendre visite chez http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre et s’il vous plaît faites-nous un digg. Il va falloir seulement créer un compte avec Digg et puis vous allez être capable de nous donner un digg en cliquant sur le carré jaune juste à côté du titre. C’est complètement gratuit – et c’est tout pour la faire connaître à l’Amérique du Nord.

Merci beaucoup de nous avoir supporté !

-garçoncanadien

I don't know what it says but it looks good to me :)

you might want to stick a link to the main music video page in there ..
http://digg.com/videos_music

RMJ
11-11-2006, 12:58 PM
Well .. the front page of digg is just something you have to survive, to get to the point we are at now. the server this website is on (dual xeon 2gb ram) is about the best you can get. you really need multiple servers / database servers to really survive the front page without missing a step. but we managed to keep the server online the whole time, we did limit db connections to the forums a while to let the video stream for all the new requests without interruption.
Exactly that's why it should be linked to server(s) that are capable of handling the traffic.



the real benefit in my mind starts today and continues for the next month. We will be in the main page in the music video section for close to a month. Tons of people will get to see it for a while now.

This will also help a TON with our google rankings, it might be enough to get us in the top 5 results in a few months. I don't look for a lot of new 'members' really. it took me 2 years to sign up on alizee-forum but I think there will be a lot of new 'fans' ..
Yes, we will see about this. Hopefully it brings some new fans. And I mean real fans. Not these who watches her just to jerk off.

Twitch
11-11-2006, 12:58 PM
Great job garçoncanadien, but if you want to let the fans at Alizée Alliance, including Emilie of Le nid d'Alizée, know about this site they do have a thread where they are trying to create a list of all the Alizée fansites. And not just the French ones, the collection of videos here would no doubt be enjoyed by the forum members, even the ones with little to no English. I was going to list it but I have a bad habit of putting things off, most of the other site postings were done by admins posting their sites. The forum is down for maintenance but when its back up I can link the thread. In case it's back up before I get back Alizée Alliance (http://www.alizeealliance.net/forum/)

garçoncanadien
11-11-2006, 01:07 PM
you're welcome Twitch but I can't do so much by myself :) eh maybe some other people can help?

aFrenchie
11-11-2006, 01:45 PM
I missed all this thread and I don't have time to learn about digg.com that I never heard of before. I've just improved the original version of garçoncanadien's text below.

One thing: is "digg" really verlan??? Verlan is very French and means "à l'envers" backward, "à l'envers" itself meaning backward. It consists in inverting syllables in the words, exemple: "ripoux" instead of "pourri". Didn't you mean just "slang" or "familiar"?


Bonjour à tous,

C’est évident que tout le monde connait Alizée en Europe, mais chez nous (en Amérique du Nord) elle est presque inconnue ! C'est la raison pour laquelle Brad a fait un site web américain consacré à notre chère fée clochette - www.moi-alizee.us . Malheureusement, Alizée et notre site ne sont que des gouttelettes d’eau dans le grand océan de la variété américaine et canadienne. Son site web est assez important mais il existe beaucoup plus de pages consacrées à des musiciens comme Kenny Chesney, P Diddy, et Britney Spears !

Nous nous sommes demandés comment on pourrait mieux faire connaître Alizée sur internet et nous avons trouvé www.digg.com. Le but de ce site web est de faire de la pub et s’il y a assez de « diggs » - verlan <- ????? pour « j’aime cette chose » - on aura des chances d'apparaître sur la page d’accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite publicité qu’on a lancée.

Si vous avez le temps, veuillez nous rendre visite ici : http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre et s’il vous plaît, faites-nous un digg. Vous avez seulement besoin de créer un compte sur Digg, ensuite vous pouvez nous donner un digg en cliquant sur le carré jaune juste à côté du titre. C’est complètement gratuit – et tout cela contribuera à faire connaître Alizée en Amérique du Nord.

Merci beaucoup de nous soutenir !

Twitch
11-11-2006, 01:47 PM
I am willing to post it since brad doesn't mind spamming of his site, I was a bit reluctant to do it at first just because so far I have only been a lurker on the Alizée Alliance forum and didn't want to spam on my first post, but they have a thread for fansites so it shouldn't be an issue. And I didn't want to use your translation without your permission, in case you wanted to post it yourself, or Snatcher wanted to since he asked for a translation to post. And I can add the video link with a description, since I think that the video collection would be the biggest draw for the French only members to this site. I also wasn't sure if I should just describe the site or include the digg operation, but I think the digg operation should go with the site description and link because this site was created to help build her fan base in America, which was also the point of posting on digg. We might also be able to ask to ad a link on Le Nid d'Alizée in exchange for linking that site here, Emilie already has a list of banners for other fansites, if that is something brad wants. But we should make a banner first. To see the lists go to liens (http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/page_liens.htm), and for all the non French fansites currently listed les sites étrangers (http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/liensetrangers.htm). To navigate the the site properly though click on the banner and not the direct links.
http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/nidalizeeban.gif (http://www.nidalizee.com/new_version/accueil.htm)

garçoncanadien
11-11-2006, 02:27 PM
oh I didn't know it's impolite to spam on my 3rd post. I am a newbie over at alizée forum; I will wait for Snatcher to do it then!

I will PM aFrenchie's improvement to Snatcher42. And once again thanks aFrenchie for helping me out!

yup I suppose I won't say verlan then. phrase argot is better!

Twitch
11-11-2006, 03:17 PM
I was talking about posting it on the Alizée Alliance, a small 600? member French only forum, but I think it is the largest French forum after alizée-forum. And because they have a thread asking people to post Alizée fansites it isn't really spamming because they are trying to create a list of all the sites out there. And I don't think spamming is necessarily rude, unless it is for something completely unrelated to what the forum is about, most Alizée forums are happy when they see new fansites linked. But hasn't this site and the digg operation already been posted on alizée-forum, or was that only in the English section? But I get the feeling that digg.com is not as popular or well known about in Europe, and that the French will less likely be interested in digging a 3 year old video as we are, especially based on some of the comments currently on digg. But I'm sure that this site's video collection will draw Alizée Alliance members here, just not sure how many would be interested in joining an English only forum.

atra201
11-11-2006, 03:43 PM
may be we should do operation digg 3,4,5,......
daily or weekly until the release of the 3rd album that way operationdigg 1 and 2 won't go for nothing.
one shouldn't hope to accomplish anything by one try.

jaco
11-11-2006, 04:13 PM
The number of diggs is still increasing:

http://duggtrends.com/GraphAnalysis.aspx?diggurl=http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

brad
11-11-2006, 04:19 PM
I think we will easily break 1000 diggs in a week or so :)

aFrenchie
11-11-2006, 04:26 PM
To see the lists go to liens (http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/page_liens.htm), and for all the non French fansites currently listed les sites étrangers (http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/liensetrangers.htm).
It's a shame that Brad's site isn't in that page already :eek:

yup I suppose I won't say verlan then. phrase argot is better!
Ok, then use "..... s’il y a assez de « diggs » - expression signifiant « j’aime bien ce truc » - on aura ....."

brad
11-11-2006, 04:37 PM
and for all the non French fansites currently listed les sites étrangers (http://www.nidalizee.com/liens/liensetrangers.htm).

we will have to make a sweet image for that page :)

Ben
11-11-2006, 06:13 PM
Hey guys, thanks for the message and PM. I will post something on the Alliance about this once it's back up, but I think you got my intention a bit wrong.

I don't want to spam the Alliance. I don't think we need to or should post there asking for help. The whole point of this is that it is a North American effort. I just want them to see what we've already done.

Instead of publicizing this site and asking for more Diggs, I thought we should 1) explain what digg.com is and 2) explain what we've already accomplished, reaching the front page and getting close to 500 votes.

It would be a legitimate news post, not an advertisement.

If you want, I could write something myself in French or English, and then you could correct/translate it.

Also choosing the video more carefully would be wise, too. Not that there's anything wrong with JEAM but this kind of performance attracts only one kind of people. As unfortunate as it is. It isn't very likely that those who are attracted by this video really becomes fan of her.
Well you never know what will get someone legitimately interested. I'm sure many, if not a majority, of the fans here and on AF just thought of her as some hot girl at first. I must admit, this video was actually the second one I ever saw after Moi Lolita Official, though I did hear both albums in full around the same time too.

jaco
11-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Instead of publicizing this site and asking for more Diggs, I thought we should 1) explain what digg.com is and 2) explain what we've already accomplished, reaching the front page and getting close to 500 votes.

I agree with Snatcher42 here. We've already accomplished everything we could hope for from the digg operation, so asking the french forums for further assistance would be rather pointless IMO. Rather we should just make them aware of what we've accomplished. Perhaps showing that we mean business will increase the cooperation between the different languages..

brad
11-11-2006, 06:37 PM
Instead of publicizing this site and asking for more Diggs, I thought we should 1) explain what digg.com is and 2) explain what we've already accomplished, reaching the front page and getting close to 500 votes.


I agree, I pm'd garconcanadien the exact same thing earlier :)

garçoncanadien
11-11-2006, 08:18 PM
ok, part of my little essay talked about what is digg, maybe you could use that excerpt :)

Twitch
11-11-2006, 08:29 PM
Sounds good, but like I said earlier Snatcher the Alliance has a thread asking people to post Alizée fansites so posting a link to this site with a description there would probably be welcomed. For the digg accomplishment I wonder if we should include it with the description of the site, or create a new thread?

riva2model64
11-11-2006, 08:50 PM
dugg, thanks brad

It appears I am a little late thog. .

Ben
11-11-2006, 09:03 PM
ok, part of my little essay talked about what is digg, maybe you could use that excerpt :)
Yeah, that part was good, I'm sure we'll use it. Thanks! :)

Sounds good, but like I said earlier Snatcher the Alliance has a thread asking people to post Alizée fansites so posting a link to this site with a description there would probably be welcomed.
Yeah we can do that too, but I'd keep the Digg stuff separate as you suggest. Approach it as news, because it is!

RMJ
11-11-2006, 09:48 PM
Well you never know what will get someone legitimately interested. I'm sure many, if not a majority, of the fans here and on AF just thought of her as some hot girl at first. I must admit, this video was actually the second one I ever saw after Moi Lolita Official, though I did hear both albums in full around the same time too.

Well, of course. But you cannot deny the fact that most of who sees that specific video doesn't so much care about the singing for certain reasons.

Yea, maybe it gets their attension and maybe some of them find her music attractive later in life but it's very small percentage.

If our effort is to make people interested of her as a singer and not as a sex object then we could consider choosing the performance little more carefully. Ok, maybe there isn't that much choices since after all we are talking about Alizée, singer who was created to be sex object in certain way, but still there is some choices. Of course visual image is important, too, but I don't think we should put too much weight on it. She's a singer after all. And very likely she will not look nothing like those performances in the future so it may be huge disappointment for the new fans that might saw JEAM and think that what Alizée is about even nowadays. (well, obviously we don't know either how she is going to be like when she comes back... but at least we can bet on the fact that she sounds amazing, no matter what she dresses like).

Yea, yea... I know... I'm in minority here with my point of view of her. But I still think it should be considered as a valid point. There's much more than the sexuality in her. There's no need to deny it but there's also no need to over express it. Why for example use this JEAM performance when there's plenty of excellent JEAM performances with another type of outfits ? Sure they are sexy, too, but at least they gives people chance to consider other things and not just her juicy thighs.

And don't get me wrong, I like her look. There's nothing wrong with it. Literally. She one helluva beautiful and sexy woman. But I'm just saying that why not once in a while give people chance to find out her other abilities and gifts. To give them chance to see what she's really like. There's millions of people who has SEEN her but let them chance to HEAR her. I know it's hard, since it's very hard to find performance of her where she isn't deadly sexy but at least we can try to find something between...

Oh btw... This wasn't directed to you Snatcher. :) You know me... Once I start, I can't stop...

And I know half of you ignores what you read anyways, if you even read it... but still... at least someone of you should consider what I'm after. Even if you can't share the view.


And since we are admitting things here, yes, JEAM was my second video ever, too. To be exact, her performance in La Chanson no1. Just after I saw EEL. It surely made see her in different light but I'm glad it happened in that order, that I found her music 9 months before I saw single one of her performances. Yea, most likely I'd be fan anyways, but I'm sure things weren't as they are now (is the things in right way now is another matter... ). I'm forever grateful of those 9 months. And the next ~40 months, too, of course.

If you aren't still sure what my point in this post is... well.. join me then... because I lost it too somewhere up there... but think about these things. Try to see things in different light.

Ben
11-11-2006, 09:58 PM
We were considering a live video, which has the added benefit of avoiding the usual lip-sync comments. I think we picked right going with this one first. We can follow it up using a live clip as a one-two punch. C'est trop tard would be my choice.

brad
11-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Ok, maybe there isn't that much choices since after all we are talking about Alizée, singer who was created to be sex object in certain way, but still there is some choices.

I think your real point is that you wanted the video to be ACC ... lol

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:05 PM
We were considering a live video, which has the added benefit of avoiding the usual lip-sync comments. I think we picked right going with this one first. We can follow it up using a live clip as a one-two punch. C'est trop tard would be my choice.

Seriously though, who cares what the comments on digg say (personally, I feel that the average person commenting on digg has less insight than a hedgehog has about my car in the 2 seconds before I run him over .... don't worry it's not intentional, I actually vote for the Party for the Animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_the_Animals)). The point was to expose more people to Alizée, and we definitely succeeded at that. Fine, some people might look at the J'en ai marre video with less than honorable intentions, but in the end we should realize that because of this digg thing probably more than 10,000 individuals were introduced to Alizée, and I'm sure that among those people there were some decent folks.

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:09 PM
C'est trop tard would be my choice.
Oh yeah, btw, did I mention that another good reason for using this vid would be that it's the best place to see Mark, Ron, and the rest of the gang? :D

brad
11-11-2006, 10:10 PM
yeah dont worry about the comments there, those people are idiots. Most people don't even participate in the comments because of how useless they are.

a bunch of 12-16 yr old kids that sit and watch digg all day waiting to complain about something. The huge majority of people aren't even signed up on the website, just people that look at it to find interesting news.

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:12 PM
I think your real point is that you wanted the video to be ACC ... lol

Well, if it were my choice then of course. Since it's my favorite. :)

But no, it wasn't the point.

Snatcher's live CTT would have been excellent choice. And I'd been more than happy with it. Especially since it's really live. But even her TV performances would have excellent performances to choose from.

So no, I'm not happy with the one we choose. Of course I'm happy that it succeed in it but with what price...

And the fact is that the JEAM is one of the most seen performance so it's very hard to make any more fans out of it. Use something else for a while is my opinion.

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:15 PM
Well, if it were my choice then of course. Since it's my favorite. :)

And the fact is that the JEAM is one of the most seen performance so it's very hard to make any more fans out of it. Use something else for a while is my opinion.

Well, since over 480 people (http://www.digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre) dugg this link, I would say that it is possible to make more fans out of it :P

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:17 PM
Digging it doesn't mean that you have become fan. You digg it if you like the link. In one way or another.

brad
11-11-2006, 10:22 PM
I think this video made it because it was JEAM. I actually think it would have made it without anyone here even digging it. I didn't expect it to be this successful this time. We only had around 20 of our people digg it, maybe even less than that.

I do understand your point though.

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Good. Then I didn't write it for nothing if at least one can see the point. :)

And yes, the big part of the success was because it was JEAM. The success was obvious before you even started digging it.

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:27 PM
So lets just say... in a month or so... we hit them with CTT live.

Or, if we're really lucky, Alizée's new hit single! :D

brad
11-11-2006, 10:29 PM
also understand, the goal is to get a link to this website in a place where a lot of people will see it, and click on it.

http://digg.com/videos_music

we are going to be on that page for a month, millions of people are going to at least see it, my thinking is if they make it to the website .. the videos here are so easy to watch (no searching, downloading, etc) that a lot of people will get hooked :D

i made this website for one purpose, make new fans .. now we got some good free advertising for a month (on one of the most popular websites in the world) thanks to digg.

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Good. Then I didn't write it for nothing if at least one can see the point. :)

And yes, the big part of the success was because it was JEAM. The success was obvious before you even started digging it.

RMJ: you didn't write it for nothing, I could see your point. I just don't agree that this exercise wasn't worth the effort. I feel that even if we get 1000 douchebags who get their 10 second instant gratitude from watching J'En ai Marre, there will be 3 people who in the future might be able to contribute something constructive to this community... So I say let's ignore the disgusting barbarians and focus on welcoming those new fans who do have good intentions...

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:33 PM
Yea, yea... I don't deny that. But I don't also like it. I just think she deserves more.

Sorry for being ass... but wasn't this digg all about ass anyways ? ;)

brad
11-11-2006, 10:37 PM
i wonder what video Lili would have chose?

I bet she would say .. "Pick JEAM, I am super sexy in that one" .. lol

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:38 PM
ACC obviously. :)

The one in the dress. :)

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Dress? .

brad
11-11-2006, 10:42 PM
ACC obviously. :)

The one in the dress. :)

if it makes you feel better .. this video

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=73

got 8,500 unique views yesterday :)

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:42 PM
i wonder what video Lili would have chose?

I bet she would say .. "Pick JEAM, I am super sexy in that one" .. lol

Indeed. I'm sure that Lili's quite marketing savvy and that she would understand that we're using JEAM to promote her. Still, I think that RMJ has a point and that we should watch out for people who try to enter this community with the wrong intentions.

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:44 PM
Dress? .

Dress (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dress&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) .

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:45 PM
Dress (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dress&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) .

Huh? What do you mean by that??

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:48 PM
Dress (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dress&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) .
Oh, you mean an ACC tv appearance in the plaid? I thought you meant the official vid, or maybe en concert.

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:48 PM
Huh? What do you mean by that??

You could as it from Snatcher. :p

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:49 PM
Oh, you mean an ACC tv apperance in the plad? I thought you meant the official vid, or maybe en concert.

Nah, I meant that checkered dress, of course. It's my favorite. :)

Btw.. "plad" = "plaid" ?

Or what does it mean ?

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:50 PM
You could as it from Snatcher. :p

Hmm yeah, you were responding to Snatcher42 ... don't I look silly now... :o

brad
11-11-2006, 10:53 PM
Btw.. "plad" = "plaid" ?

Or what does it mean ?

Yeah it is "plaid"

that pattern on the dress you are talking about is called plaid.

jaco
11-11-2006, 10:55 PM
Yeah it is "plaid"

that pattern on the dress you are talking about is called plaid.

Speaking of plaid (Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_%28band%29)) .... that is one of my favorite bands (British) ... here is one of their videos:
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VU5eR6OJNUc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VU5eR6OJNUc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Ben
11-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Btw.. "plad" = "plaid" ?
Yeah, typo (corrected). I thought the official vid outfit was your fav (always in ava and sigs)?

Anyway, I think if we asked Alizée, she'd likely choose an official video. Amelie, or ACC, or maybe even Moi Lolita if she isn't actually trying to distance herself from that.

EDIT: Damn, you guys are responding too fast...

RMJ
11-11-2006, 10:59 PM
Well.... It tough call... Basically the music vid is my favorite but the DLL (Dans La Lumiere) performance is my favorite performance.

And out of all ACC clothes, the dress makes her look the most awesome. :)

The ACC video clothes takes the second place, then comes the black clothes with tie and finally black clothes without tie.

All four configuration of course are very lovely. But the dress tops them all. :wub:

Ben
11-11-2006, 11:01 PM
Black cloths without the tie is basiaclly the video cloths without the jacket, no?

RMJ
11-11-2006, 11:03 PM
Black cloths without the tie is basiaclly the video cloths without the jacket, no?

Yup .


I like to use shots of the music video on sigs and avas cause theres so many expressions and lots of interesting views and angles in it. It's awesome. :)

But I like to use more the dress photos in other graphics where there is more room to use in vertical direction.

Ben
11-11-2006, 11:05 PM
Yeah, so I kinda think of all that as one outfit... though I prefer without the tie cause it's too Avril. Despite that though, my fav ACC tv apperance may still be Star Ac', cause for some reason her eyes just seem to sparkle there.
:wub:

EDIT: BTW, don't really have an opinion on the dress vs. the black outfit... like both about equally.

RMJ
11-11-2006, 11:10 PM
Yea, I know some thinks them as same outfit but well... they don't watch the ACC vids all day long. :p

And about the tie... I found out earlier today that Avril used tie too... :blink: lol... so that's not a problem to me. :p

And Star Ac is excellent choice for favorite ACC video ! She was in excellent mood that day. :) I love that video, too, very much. Might be my second favorite performance.

riva2model64
11-11-2006, 11:33 PM
And I know half of you ignores what you read anyways, if you even read it... but still... at least someone of you should consider what I'm after. Even if you can't share the view.

I hear you, RMJ, I understand what you are trying to say

it's why, IMO, I believe that wehn they first released MCE they shoulda chose some other MCE song instead of JEAM to debut it

RMJ
11-11-2006, 11:38 PM
Indeed. That was actually one of the very few mistakes Mylène did.

She should have started with some other single. Specifically with ACC. It would have not scared away the overprotective parents who couldn't accept the image of JEAM, for example. But also, she would have made her image much more classy and mature in the first place. Maybe releasing JEAM later would have worked better. (Tho, maybe reconsidering her outfit then... maybe just the "pants version" of it would have been more appropriate.)

JEAM wasn't of course bad song to start with. But it just didn't got the desired effect back then.

HibyPrime
11-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Indeed. That was actually one of the very few mistakes Mylène did.

She should have started with some other single. Specifically with ACC. It would have not scared away the overprotective parents who couldn't accept the image of JEAM, for example. But also, she would have made her image much more classy and mature in the first place. Maybe releasing JEAM later would have worked better. (Tho, maybe reconsidering her outfit then... maybe just the "pants version" of it would have been more appropriate.)

I'm pretty sure the record companies have a panel of people that choose which song is going to be the single. They always choose the most pop-like songs.

I may be wrong, though

Ben
11-11-2006, 11:46 PM
I'm pretty sure the record companies have a panel of people that choose which song is going to be the single. They always choose the most pop-like songs.
Mylene has never done what the record companies told her. That's one of the things that set Alizée's career apart up until now: she's been the product of two artists, not a bunch of executives.

Anyway, I dunno about JEAM being a mistake. I think it was really well done on so many levels. I wouldn't advocate it's being replaced. It sold pretty well too. Also ACC might have been too much of a departure as first single. Though yeah, maybe they should have only used the long pants outfit for JEAM.

I think JPVA is where they made the mistake. Musically, it was too similar to JEAM, lyrically it was inferior, and image wise it went back to being childish, yet was still too controversial with the unintended upskirts. I think THIS is where they should have used ACC instead.

You grab people's attention (JEAM), and then you go for depth (ACC).

HibyPrime
11-11-2006, 11:48 PM
the unintended upskirts.

Unintended?

Do you not think they studied every part of this dress before they decided they were going to use it?

Same thing with the dance.

riva2model64
11-11-2006, 11:51 PM
Indeed. That was actually one of the very few mistakes Mylène did.

She should have started with some other single. Specifically with ACC. It would have not scared away the overprotective parents who couldn't accept the image of JEAM, for example. But also, she would have made her image much more classy and mature in the first place. Maybe releasing JEAM later would have worked better. (Tho, maybe reconsidering her outfit then... maybe just the "pants version" of it would have been more appropriate.)

JEAM wasn't of course bad song to start with. But it just didn't got the desired effect back then.

yeah, JEAM is a great song, but not right to as a debut song given the circumstances- Alizée did want to change her image a bit but the debut performance JEAM without pants did not reflect that. .

ACC appears to be deeper , and, were it a debut song for MCE, probably would have given Alizée quite the classy (and the target) image- still uber hot, but also very refined and stuff like that

-edit- I just read snatcher's previous post and he raise some points- about jpva, about jeam. yeah maybe jeam be fine if they used the pants, and jpva did (slightly) hurt Ali's reputation as a very clean person with that controversy.
also if the lyrics from jpva are just like I'm not twenty then I suppose I agree with him saying it's a bit "childish". that's fine for me, but that's probably not what they were looking for. musically I thought that jpva was very nice, if you're comparing it with jeam maybe you can look at it is a complimentary song-ie a bit faster, and electric guitar instead of acoustic. they did however release it as single accompanied by performance, and as a complimentary song doesn't stand out enough as a single. I thought it was nice thog. The dance was just too cute in jpva, it was not provocative at all, maybe they should have adjusted the dress thog (to be a bit longer)

Ben
11-11-2006, 11:53 PM
Unintended?

Do you not think they studied every part of this dress before they decided they were going to use it?

Same thing with the dance.
The only time you officially see up the dress is in the Tour de France vid, where there's a bit of a "wardrobe malfunction"(it rides up a bit). All the rest are from unauthorized pics and vids taken from unintended angles.

The dress was designed to be short and tease, but not to let you look right up it.

HibyPrime
11-11-2006, 11:56 PM
The only time you officially see up the dress is in the Tour de France vid, where there's a bit of a "wardrobe malfunction"(it rides up a bit). All the rest are from unauthorized pics and vids taken from unintended angles.

The dress was designed to be short and tease, but not to let you look right up it.

People with many years of experience in the industry designed both the dance and the clothes (typical of any high profile singer), they knew it would happen, and quite obviously intended it.

and you can see up it in almost all of the performances, they just change the camera angle when she bends over. The people in the audience definately saw it.

Have you noticed she spreads her legs in every chorus, then leans backward a bit? That forces the dress up..

jaco
11-11-2006, 11:58 PM
I think that the most important aspect to remember is that Alizée is a MEME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) that will not easily die. If I am correct then Alizée will survive the evolutionary processes that eliminates most cultural entities. As long as she can she can survive the (long) wait between her second and third album she will be fine. Her popularity will not be due to anything her marketing campaign can invent...

if this digg operation has shown us anything it should be that we are better at promoting Lili than any record company will ever be... If Lili and her new producers are smart at all they will use these resources to take them to the top around the world!!

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:03 AM
People with many years of experience in the industry designed both the dance and the clothes (typical of any high profile singer), they knew it would happen, and quite obviously intended it.

and you can see up it in almost all of the performances, they just change the camera angle when she bends over. The people in the audience definately saw it.

Have you noticed she spreads her legs in every chorus, then leans backward a bit? That forces the dress up..
"People"? Hilby, Mylene designed the outfit. And Laurent filmed it for the official vid. Yes, it was carefully designed. It was designed not to be shown on TV from certain angles. Yes, the live audience sees it, but that's a big difference from it being printed in the media.

As I said, the pics and vids taken where you can actually see up the skirt were unauthorized, and they even tried to take legal action against them. Alizée even commented that they weren't supposed to happen.

The whole point of the dress and the dance (also choreographed by Mylene, I might add) is to suggest that you should be able to see something, but you never actually do.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 12:05 AM
Hmm, well, Snatcher has point there (about JEAM and ACC). But still JEAM was bit too much. It sure did change the audience of Alizée. Altho, ACC would have done that, too. But maybe more appropriate way. Or dunno... Maybe they should have picken something totally different, CTT ? Maybe too rockish ? Well... Hard to say...

JEAM wasn't bad choice anyways. Even when looking at sales. But it wasn't perfect choice either, I think. Or maybe the just wasn't right. Like it was with ML. It just hit the jackpot back then.

And who are we to judge Mylène really... She has more experience in this things that everyone here combined. And like said, she has done very few mistakes... Maybe even this wasn't mistake. Not failure for sure.



About the JPVA upskirt. It surely wasn't unintended. Maybe Lili didn't realize it before it was too late, but who designed that dress for her surely did. It was shortened so much that it was obvious that there would be upskirt shots at least in certain places. I have no doubt about that.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 12:11 AM
The only time you officially see up the dress is in the Tour de France vid, where there's a bit of a "wardrobe malfunction"(it rides up a bit). All the rest are from unauthorized pics and vids taken from unintended angles.

The dress was designed to be short and tease, but not to let you look right up it.
Actually it isn't so. You can see upskirt in other shows, too, and you see from back view and front view... The skirt is VERY short...

And remember, those TV shows are edited in most of the cases. They don't show you all the shots.

If you happened to see the performance live, you most likely got nice peek up there...


And btw... it doesn't happen only in that one part of the song... (tho, that might be unintentional...)

brad
11-12-2006, 12:15 AM
i dont even see the big deal in it. if she were wearing a bikini, no one would think anything about it. But if she has a dress on and gives you a peak (accidental or not) it becomes taboo. I don't see the difference

RMJ
11-12-2006, 12:17 AM
People with many years of experience in the industry designed both the dance and the clothes (typical of any high profile singer), they knew it would happen, and quite obviously intended it.
The dress is designed by Courrèges but it's shortened (to fit view of Mylène) for Alizée. It's not in it's original shape.

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:21 AM
Actually it isn't so. You can see upskirt in other shows, too, and you see from back view and front view... The skirt is VERY short...
Yeah? Which? I really have not seen others.

And yes, I know in person people must have seen it, I said as much. But how things are edited for TV and the press is very important in creating an image. As I said, the pics were you can actually see her underwear are from unauthorized angles, not because the dress was any different (the riding up I mentioned applies for the other part of the song, where she spins).

RMJ, don't you remember the interview where Alizée said she flashes the audience at the end of JPVA en concert a bit to make fun of the photographers who took the unintended upskirts? And as I also said, Alizée even tried to sue over these pictures.

The entire purpose of JPVA was to be titillating, and what you don't see is always more titillating than what you do. There's actually an entire school of fashion design philopshy behind this. The idea is that the sexiest cloths aren't necessarily the most revealing, they're the ones that look like they could give you a peak of something at any moment, but never do. Mylene and Laurent combined a short dress with specifically chosen shots to maximize this effect.

brad
11-12-2006, 12:23 AM
see .. this could be a podcast .. lol

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 12:23 AM
"People"? Hilby, Mylene designed the outfit. And Laurent filmed it for the official vid. Yes, it was carefully designed. It was designed not to be shown on TV from certain angles. Yes, the live audience sees it, but that's a big difference from it being printed in the media.

As I said, the pics and vids taken where you can actually see up the skirt were unauthorized, and they even tried to take legal action against them. Alizée even commented that they weren't supposed to happen.

The whole point of the dress and the dance (also choreographed by Mylene, I might add) is to suggest that you should be able to see something, but you never actually do.

Mylene and Laurent are the only ones running the show, sure. Obviously I do not have any proof, but common sence tells me that mylene (Edit: Mylene didn't even design the dress, according to RMJ) had many consultants when designing the dress aswell as choreographing the dance. Theres no way laurent shot the entire video, look at the making of l'alize and JEAM, there are easily 20 people working there.

Taking legal action like that, aswell as alizee saying it wasn't supposed to happen is basically portraying an image without letting people know you are purposely portraying that image. I am a graphic designer, albeit not much experience, but this is what I study, and live.

It's Hiby, btw.

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:27 AM
Hmm, well, Snatcher has point there (about JEAM and ACC). But still JEAM was bit too much.
I think if they had just used the long pants from the start then it would have been fine. Perfect actually. I don't think ACC is an appropriate first single. You need something faster and more up tempo. Like I said, grab attention and then go for depth.

So yeah, I don't want to sound like I have all the magic answers on how Alizée's career should have been. But yeah, JEAM followed by JPVA was the mistake, imo. It should have been JEAM (trousers) followed by ACC, then maybe JPVA...

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 12:28 AM
The entire purpose of JPVA was to be titillating, and what you don't see is always more titillating than what you do. There's actually an entire school of fashion design philopshy behind this. The idea is that the sexiest cloths aren't necessarily the most revealing, they're the ones that look like they could give you a peak of something at any moment, but never do. Mylene and Laurent combined a short dress with specifically chosen shots to maximize this effect.

That same effect is still there, even with the upskirts. The fact that you can not see it for more than a few seconds, and you only see a very, very little bit gives that effect. Not to mention the underwear.

The way they made the singles was to generate the most profit:

JEAM - controversial, but not over the top controversy that dies as fast as it comes, brings in lots of viewers
JPVA - Even more controversial, pictures and videos that apparently are not supposed to be taken, meant to die as fast as it came, keeps viewers hooked until next single
ACC - perfectly polished image with deep lyrics to give a good reception for a possible 3rd album.

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:34 AM
(Edit: Mylene didn't even design the dress, according to RMJ)
Courrèges sells a similar dress now, but Mylene had one like it long before. It's definitely a custom design by her.

Theres no way laurent shot the entire video, look at the making of l'alize and JEAM, there are easily 20 people working there.
Of course he had a crew, but in the end the director pics the shots. He works with the editor to make sure exactly what he wants - and only what he wants - is in there (I'm a filmmaker myself, btw).

Taking legal action like that, aswell as alizee saying it wasn't supposed to happen is basically portraying an image without letting people know you are purposely portraying that image. I am a graphic designer, albeit not much experience, but this is what I study, and live.
Yeah, that's possible. But here's the thing that makes me think otherwise. All the upskirt vids and pics are from one performance (Tour de France). I know RMJ said there are others, but I really can't recall them myself, so I'm waiting to hear back from him re: that.

But yeah, as far as I'm aware it only happened that one time. It was an accident that they let those shots slip through. The dozens of other performances went off as planned, where you don't actually get to see that on TV.

riva2model64
11-12-2006, 12:37 AM
JPVA - Even more controversial, pictures and videos that apparently are not supposed to be taken, meant to die as fast as it came, keeps viewers hooked until next single

like hot silver?

RMJ
11-12-2006, 12:38 AM
Yeah? Which? I really have not seen others.

And yes, I know in person people must have seen it, I said as much. But how things are edited for TV and the press is very important in creating an image. As I said, the pics were you can actually see her underwear are from unauthorized angles, not because the dress was any different (the riding up I mentioned applies for the other part of the song, where she spins).
By unauthorized, do you mean angles used in TV but that differs from the angles in her JPVA music video ? Or angles like the one non-official video that is shown way too much on the net... show good peak up in there...

And if I must, I can show screen captures for you. But I rather not. When once told to Eka that she wore white pants with pink dress (and pissed him off because I didn't told in where performance and in what scene and never showed captures of it), I was pretty serious... And her black pants shows up in several peformance.



RMJ, don't you remember the interview where Alizée said she flashes the audience at the end of JPVA en concert a bit to make fun of the photographers who took the unintended upskirts? And as I also said, Alizée even tried to sue over these pictures.
Wasn't it fan review ? Atleast someone on AF show the concert and told about it.



The entire purpose of JPVA was to be titillating, and what you don't see is always more titillating than what you do. There's actually an entire school of fashion design philopshy behind this. The idea is that the sexiest cloths aren't necessarily the most revealing, they're the ones that look like they could give you a peak of something at any moment, but never do. Mylene and Laurent combined a short dress with specifically chosen shots to maximize this effect.
Yes, I understand this but I believe Mylène went bit too far. Or maybe we (and press) went too far. Because those upskirst can be find only if you really look for them. Or if you happen to go through every video frame by frame, like I have done with pretty much every video of her. I didn't know of those if I didn't happen to see the during that. It kinda is accidental but then again, it isn't. They aren't that visible in normal performance on TV and that prolly was Mylène's purpose, to tease us. But I'm pretty sure she was aware of that the upskirts would happen. She's a clever woman.

Surely it was made way too big deal anyways. You could even say that the pants are part of the outfit. And their showing up is natural thing. Not something to be surprised. You are allowed to see them but just for a fraction of second to prevent your mind wander too far...

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:40 AM
JEAM - controversial, but not over the top controversy that dies as fast as it comes, brings in lots of viewers
JPVA - Even more controversial, pictures and videos that apparently are not supposed to be taken, meant to die as fast as it came, keeps viewers hooked until next single
ACC - perfectly polished image with deep lyrics to give a good reception for a possible 3rd album.
Yeah, that was definitely the intention... problem was too many people gave up on Alizée when they saw JPVA, making it and ACC comparative flops.

It's Hiby, btw.
Sorry! Damn eyes. :blink:

DJ_Greg
11-12-2006, 12:42 AM
ACC is one of my favorite Alizée songs, but it's not a great first single. I actually think the order of singles, concluding with the unofficial live Amelie m'a dit, was a great choice for release order.

I feel like maybe the people who don't like JEAM as a single, or as a first single, or as a pants-less single, are clinging to the illusion of Alizée as "pure" or "innocent," or something like that. The fact is, she never was. I mean, come on...the girl started her career singing about being a lolita. She was never above using her sexual appeal to draw attention; it was always there, from the first moment she got played on the radio.

JEAM was an excellent choice as a first single because it was similar enough to the lolita image of her first album. You want something catchy and familiar to remind fans of your previous success. JPVA began the transition by keeping the "tease" factor but also adding guitar as a prominent instrument. Then ACC comes along...no excess of skin, no silly dance choreography...just Alizée and the camera, singing a pop-rock song. Starting with ACC would have been abrupt...maybe even too abrupt.

For Alizée to refine her image, that order of singles was almost necessary. I think it was a brilliant move.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 12:45 AM
Courrèges sells a similar dress now, but Mylene had one like it long before. It's definitely a custom design by her.
Do you have photos ? Because I know that she had similar skirt but not the same kind. They have significant differences what I have seen. And the Mylène's dress was very simple. Tho, I don't have that much Mylène photos...

And Courrèges doesn't sell them anymore, I think. They were sold back in 2003, 2004. At the same time with JPVA and Alizée wearing one. Tho... That we can confirm by walking into the Courrèges boutique if you are up for it. Just wait for me first. :)

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:49 AM
By unauthorized, do you mean angles used in TV but that differs from the angles in her JPVA music video ? Or angles like the one non-official video that is shown way too much on the net... show good peak up in there...

And if I must, I can show screen captures for you. But I rather not. When once told to Eka that she wore white pants with pink dress (and pissed him off because I didn't told in where performance and in what scene and never showed captures of it), I was pretty serious... And her black pants shows up in several peformance.
Well... ok, because we are talking about the public reaction to all this, lets only talk about those upskirts that people in general are aware of. Not those that can only be found by the hardcore fans combing through everything frame-by-frame. It's also important to consider the still pictures posted in the press, because that is what causes the biggest public reaction.

There is the separate video clip taken during Tour de France, and then there are a few moments during the televised broadcast of that same performance. I've addressed both of those. All the still press pictures showing her underwear were also taken from the time of Tour de France, correct?

So now is there anything remaining? Like I said, not stuff you need to be a detective to find, but stuff that people in France noticed. I don't think there is. Though please, correct me if I'm wrong!

The fact that this only happened once on a public scale leads me to believe it was a mistake.

riva2model64
11-12-2006, 12:50 AM
I feel like maybe the people who don't like JEAM as a single, or as a first single, or as a pants-less single, are clinging to the illusion of Alizée as "pure" or "innocent," or something like that.

maybe so, but considering initial impressions are pretty lasting (after almost 2 yr. absence she return with MCE), and Ali wanted to refine the image, a pantless-JEAM, the first they see of her in 2 yrs., sound kinda brash. .

Ben
11-12-2006, 12:57 AM
Do you have photos ? Because I know that she had similar skirt but not the same kind. They have significant differences what I have seen. And the Mylène's dress was very simple. Tho, I don't have that much Mylène photos...
Eh, somewhere... but I'm not gonna search right now cause it's late, and yeah it's not the same dress, it's just a similar one. That's exactly what I said.

And Courrèges doesn't sell them anymore, I think. They were sold back in 2003, 2004. At the same time with JPVA and Alizée wearing one. Tho... That we can confirm by walking into the Courrèges boutique if you are up for it. Just wait for me first. :)
Sells a longer version, I think, with pictures on Angelique's blog.

As far as I'm aware, Courrèges' involvement with Alizée didn't start until the concerts. The JPVA outfit doesn't bare his "AC" mark, for one thing, and Alizée did auction the blue off as one of a kind. Maybe it's in Courrèges style, but I'm pretty sure it was designed by Mylene like all the other outfits up until then (they would have made a bigger deal out of it being a Courrèges design if it was, he's very famous!)

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 01:06 AM
The fact that this only happened once on a public scale leads me to believe it was a mistake.

Wardrobe Malfunction mean anything to you?

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:08 AM
Wardrobe Malfunction mean anything to you?
My exact words a few pages back, I believe. :)

ACC is one of my favorite Alizée songs, but it's not a great first single. I actually think the order of singles, concluding with the unofficial live Amelie m'a dit, was a great choice for release order.
I agree about ACC, but dunno if the whole order was so great. Maybe in theory, but I mean... JPVA and ACC didn't sell well, and Amelie never even made it to market!

Maybe such an outcome was inevitable, and nothing different could have changed it. Though my personal theory is that ACC would have been a perfect second single.

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 01:10 AM
My exact words a few pages back, I believe. :)

So.. Then you understand that just because it happened only once does not mean it was not intentional?

I was trying to imply this with an example (wardrobe malfunction as the example). I might not have made it clear.

Edit: that does not mean it was intentional either, just that it shouldn't have a bearing either way

Twitch
11-12-2006, 01:15 AM
I don't know how much of a mistake it was, I agree that they probably never expected to reveal such an obvious upskirt shot and definitely never expected all of the so called fan made looped videos that have polluted the web, but her outfits have always been provocative. Not just the JEAM suit which caused the fuss on pour Laurette or the ultra short JPVA dress, but if you look at her furry coat/dress outfit for her Moi Lolita I would say it is even shorter in the back than the JPVA dress (I think you can see what I mean in the Amsterdam concert, or one of them anyway). I know when asked about the JEAM outfit she said that it was never a problem for her to wear revealing or really short clothing as long as it remained tasteful, or something like that. (It's late and I don't feel like finding the right interview to find out exactly what she said).

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 01:24 AM
I don't know how much of a mistake it was, I agree that they probably never expected to reveal such an obvious upskirt shot and definitely never expected all of the so called fan made looped videos that have polluted the web

That's probably right. Right in the middle of any debate lies the truth...

I know when asked about the JEAM outfit she said that it was never a problem for her to wear revealing or really short clothing as long as it remained tasteful, or something like that. (It's late and I don't feel like finding the right interview to find out exactly what she said).

Well duh. Shes not going to say "I wanted to show off my ass, so I wore clothes that do that." That would be bad publicity..

RMJ
11-12-2006, 01:27 AM
Well... ok, because we are talking about the public reaction to all this, lets only talk about those upskirts that people in general are aware of. Not those that can only be found by the hardcore fans combing through everything frame-by-frame. It's also important to consider the still pictures posted in the press, because that is what causes the biggest public reaction.
Yes, better concentrate on them. But it did happen in others, too. Not just as in big scale that anyone would have done big deal out of it. First peak of her black pants with pink dress you get in the first JPVA performance in Mister France, if you are interested to look at... But since it's pretty much side view, 99.999% people would never even realize they shows up there. So yea, you need to be hardcore fan to see them. :blink:

And to make this thing clear... I do not seek them !

But like I have said... I have watched most of her videos frame by frame... I do that all the time, looking for tiny details that might reveal something new about her that I didn't know already. You see things that you might not want to see. Like pieces of food (or something) stuck between teeth... (tho, I think that's cute one)

Those upskirsts are pretty much like in the case of En Concert DVD... Everyone knows that her pants shows up there, too. But in how many scene ? 1 ? 2 ? 5 ? 10 ? I don't know... but if one started to count them, one'd ran out of fingers pretty fast... Hell, there's even close up shot of her pants directly up into her skirt... And no-one ever mentions it because they don't realize what they are seeing (it's actually pretty long scene... so it's not just sudden peak in there).



There is the separate video clip taken during Tour de France, and then there are a few moments during the televised broadcast of that same performance. I've addressed both of those. All the still press pictures showing her underwear were also taken from the time of Tour de France, correct?

So now is there anything remaining? Like I said, not stuff you need to be a detective to find, but stuff that people in France noticed. I don't think there is. Though please, correct me if I'm wrong!

The fact that this only happened once on a public scale leads me to believe it was a mistake.
Well, I believe too that the big fuss is all about that one performance. But if Mylène wanted, she could have prevented that long ago. It was know to happen. I'm 100% sure that in shooting of her music video is plenty of footages with upskirts. In b-roll I mean... Saying that she didn't know that it might happen during the TV performances is living in denial. She knew it very well. But she counted on her luck that it wouldn't be that big a deal. Or maybe she wanted it to be a big deal. After all, it's one helluva way to get Alizée to papers and make her even more famous !

But well... It did happen as we know. Was it accident, or not, can be argued till the death of Mylène (since that's when the real answer is buried with her, surely she ain't telling it to us). But it could have prevented. But it wasn't. Tho, the dance routine was changed after the "accident". We have two performances with significantly less questionable movements.

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:28 AM
Edit: that does not mean it was intentional either, just that it shouldn't have a bearing either way
Yeah, though either way it was meant to appear unintentional. If you want to read my initial post that started this whole conversation that way, go ahead... I wasn't really thinking specifically one way or another at the time.

And yeah, I agree with Twitch that she had no problems being provocative. Guess it just went further than expected this time. Maybe like RMJ said, it was more just the press laching on to it... doesn't really matter because the point is still that no one intended for it to look like they deliberatly plastered her rear all over the papers.

brad
11-12-2006, 01:29 AM
over 500 diggs now :)

http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 01:30 AM
Hell, there's even close up shot of her pants directly up into her skirt... And no-one ever mentions it because they don't realize what they are seeing (it's actually pretty long scene... so it's not just sudden peak in there).

Where?

Oh, and let me make this clear aswell: I don't seek them.


I just ask people where they are :P

over 500 diggs now :)

http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

Oh, right... that was the topic.

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:34 AM
Tho, the dance routine was changed after the "accident". We have two performances with significantly less questionable movements.
Yes, that too! I think that's very strong evidence it was a mistake.

WAIT A MINUTE! I have a theory! A very very good theory!

Was Tour de France the first time that JPVA was shown LIVE?!?!?

Yes, I know there were other TV apperances before that, but those are always filmed a few days, or even weeks, before they're broadcast... leaving plenty of time for them to be edited and all obvious upskirts cut out. But Tour de France was shown live. That only gives you a few seconds to pick an angle!

There were more live JPVA apperances after, but then like you said they changed the dance!

RMJ
11-12-2006, 01:34 AM
Eh, somewhere... but I'm not gonna search right now cause it's late, and yeah it's not the same dress, it's just a similar one. That's exactly what I said.
Well, I posted it in one other thread little while ago. But just checking that we are talking about the same dress.

And yea, maybe it was the "prototype" for Mylène. But the real dress comes from Courrèges and it is specifically shortened for Alizée.



Sells a longer version, I think, with pictures on Angelique's blog.
Doesn't sell anymore, like I said. Or at least so I believe since no-one has mentioned it in ages. The En Concert skirt is on sale still today, and the boots.

Oh, and Angelique's blog is down. :( Or actually, she closed it... reasons you can read from the few last messages of her on the blog. :(



As far as I'm aware, Courrèges' involvement with Alizée didn't start until the concerts. The JPVA outfit doesn't bare his "AC" mark, for one thing, and Alizée did auction the blue off as one of a kind. Maybe it's in Courrèges style, but I'm pretty sure it was designed by Mylene like all the other outfits up until then (they would have made a bigger deal out of it being a Courrèges design if it was, he's very famous!)
Yes, of course it's possible that Mylène specifically asked to make such dress. And I'm sure Courrèges would do it for her, it's valuable advertising. And surely boosts their sells.

And basically the blue was one of a kind. It was short version of the dress that was sold by Courrèges. It made it one of a kind. And even if it wasn't really one of a kind, it would be VERY rare because those dress costs fortunes !

riva2model64
11-12-2006, 01:35 AM
over 500 diggs now :)

http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre
<--|-YES-|-->

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:41 AM
Doesn't sell anymore, like I said. Or at least so I believe since no-one has mentioned it in ages.
Someone... I forgot who... posted pictures of themselves in one not too long ago (4-6 months). That was the last I heard.

over 500 diggs now :)
What's a "digg"? :p

RMJ
11-12-2006, 01:43 AM
Yes, that too! I think that's very strong evidence it was a mistake.

WAIT A MINUTE! I have a theory! A very very good theory!

Was Tour de France the first time that JPVA was shown LIVE?!?!?

Yes, I know there were other TV apperances before that, but those are always filmed a few days, or even weeks, before they're broadcast... leaving plenty of time for them to be edited and all obvious upskirts cut out. But Tour de France was shown live. That only gives you a few seconds to pick an angle!

Good theory but I believe not quite correct. You see La fête de la musique was little before it. :) ( ~2 weeks before)

And yea... we got to see upskirts in that performance, too. And I'm pretty sure there is similar shots from there but for reason or another, they were never used or released. I don't know...


There were more live JPVA apperances after, but then like you said they changed the dance!
There weren't many. There were SAD2003 and two others. SAD2003 was most likely shot before the accident. But the other two were shot after it.
And actually, one of those is live (Tien Om Te Zien). The otehr one is the infamous Fame Academy (where they cuts song during her performance showing that she obviously lip syncs !).

Yes, the dance was obviously changed due to that incident but maybe just because it became so big deal. Mylène tried to tone it down by that change (tho, it was too late already).


But the fact is that press did WAY TOO BIG DEAL out of it. But that's how it works...

It's sad because surely Lili didn't like that. But after all, as we know from the concert, she was even able to laugh about it later.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 01:49 AM
Someone... I forgot who... posted pictures of themselves in one not too long ago (4-6 months). That was the last I heard.

I don't remember seeing it. Angelique was showing other photos of other Courrèges clothes on AF and in her blog.

And I don't seeing it on AFC, AA (the other AA) or on MFI. If you have seen it, it must have been some other French forum maybe ? I know you read some Mylène forums every now and then. :)

But... if you can find it again... POST IT !

RMJ
11-12-2006, 01:52 AM
Where?

I can show the piece of food stuck to her teeth but the other one you can find yourself if that's interesting enough to be seen...

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:53 AM
Hmm, yeah. Maybe they just got lucky with Fete de la Musique. The shots in general are much wider, taken from further back due to size of the stage, etc.

So yeah, dunno if you could call it a "mistake" then, but clearly they were caught off guard, realized they had made a blunder, and compensated to try and "fix" things.

Again, I wasn't really talking specifically when I posted. "The unintentional upskirts" is just a quote often said. It could be taken to refer to the fact that those specific pics got shot and published all over the place.

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 01:53 AM
I can show the piece of food stuck to her teeth but the other one you can find yourself if that's interesting enough to be seen...

Ah you little mother.....

Ben
11-12-2006, 01:57 AM
I don't remember seeing it. Angelique was showing other photos of other Courrèges clothes on AF and in her blog.

And I don't seeing it on AFC, AA (the other AA) or on MFI. If you have seen it, it must have been some other French forum maybe ? I know you read some Mylène forums every now and then. :)

But... if you can find it again... POST IT !
It wasn't Angelique, but it was on some similar type of blog. Not on any forum, but linked from one of them I'm sure.

bt_bird_90
11-12-2006, 02:03 AM
I'd just like to say that I've read every word of this. I like brad's interjections and this is prime discussion for a podcast, that way I can stick in my arguments too. :p


And for the record, if we're already taking votes for the next digg, I'd definately say Amélie m'a dit before CTT, sorry Snatcher.

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 02:06 AM
I can show the piece of food stuck to her teeth but the other one you can find yourself if that's interesting enough to be seen...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1397/picture3vt6.png ?

I played JPVA to check. I figured it's there if anywhere..

This isnt the DVD version, so the quality is lower. Long story why it's not the dvd version...

RMJ
11-12-2006, 02:11 AM
Hmm, yeah. Maybe they just got lucky with Fete de la Musique. The shots in general are much wider, taken from further back due to size of the stage, etc.

So yeah, dunno if you could call it a "mistake" then, but clearly they were caught off guard, realized they had made a blunder, and compensated to try and "fix" things.

Again, I wasn't really talking specifically when I posted. "The unintentional upskirts" is just a quote often said. It could be taken to refer to the fact that those specific pics got shot and published all over the place.

HEY !! Wait a second !

I just realized that that the press photos might be actually from LFDLM and not from Tour de France ! It's 3 years already off of it... so it's hard to remember... But quickly looking, her hair has blue light on them ! There surely was no blue light in set up of Tour de France ! THAT would make it the first LIVE performance. And then it could really be accident !

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 02:13 AM
HEY !! Wait a second !

I just realized that that the press photos might be actually from LFDLM and not from Tour de France ! It's 3 years already off of it... so it's hard to remember... But quickly looking, her hair has blue light on them ! There surely was no blue light in set up of Tour de France ! THAT would make it the first LIVE performance. And then it could really be accident !

Then they made the same mistake in the concert.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 02:16 AM
Ah you little mother.....

Ain't I mean... Kinda like Mylène... I give you little teaser but not the whole package...



Then they made the same mistake in the concert.

That's not accident.

Ben
11-12-2006, 02:22 AM
Then they made the same mistake in the concert.
As RMJ said, by then they were doing it on purpose:

remember the interview where Alizée said she flashes the audience at the end of JPVA en concert a bit to make fun of the photographers who took the unintended upskirts?
All this discussion is about the tv appearances, before the concerts.

But then they did make the same mistake twice RMJ: at La Fete and Tour de France. Dunno, maybe it just took them awhile to realize what was happening (the extent of the press attention, I mean).

Well, this has been quite the discussion, but I hope it's winding down now. 8am here again! :eek:

I think we've been going around a bit for nothing, actually, cause yeah guys I do think they knew Lili's rear showed a bit in that dress. No argument there. I just don't think they expected it to be shot the way it was during the Tour de France (or Fete de la Musique?). That's the unintentional part of which I spoke, and part of why I think JPVA wasn't the right single to follow JEAM. But I do like JEAM. Which I think finally brings us full circle to how this all started: the question of whether JEAM should have been used for the Digg or not!

The argument against is that it attracts an undesirable element and promotes the wrong image. The argument for is that it attracts a larger element period, and that there'll be some rotten apples, but in the end more good ones than we could have gotten otherwise. Only time will tell which of those two theories proves more true! :)

Ben
11-12-2006, 02:26 AM
By the way, the 500+ diggs is amazing. All the more reason we don't need to ask the Alliance for help, but should be nice and let them know the good news. :D

brad
11-12-2006, 02:28 AM
don't forget she is quite attractive.

i dont see anything wrong showing off now and then .. it would almost be a crime not to :)

bt_bird_90
11-12-2006, 02:33 AM
It's been fun reading your guys' arguments, so by all means, keep it going, but just so we can get a bit of this set to rest:

"Certain magazines who have recently published photos of me accused me of intentionally showing my underwear. That's absolutely false! So, to keep the bad tongues quiet, at the end of my song "J'ai pas 20 ans," I lifted up my skirt out of provocation. Having said that, I was wearing boxers!"

I'm fairly sure this is referring to the En Concert part Hiby mentioned, whether or not this is really truely the way it went down, it's straight from the goddess's mouth.

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 02:36 AM
It's been fun reading your guys' arguments, so by all means, keep it going, but just so we can get a bit of this set to rest:

"Certain magazines who have recently published photos of me accused me of intentionally showing my underwear. That's absolutely false! So, to keep the bad tongues quiet, at the end of my song "J'ai pas 20 ans," I lifted up my skirt out of provocation. Having said that, I was wearing boxers!"

I'm fairly sure this is referring to the En Concert part Hiby mentioned, whether or not this is really truely the way it went down, it's straight from the goddess's mouth.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1397/picture3vt6.png

I think women should wear more of those "boxers"

Ben
11-12-2006, 02:36 AM
Ahh, thanks so much bt_bird, that's exactly the interview I was referring to! Where did you find that? Of course, some could say she's being less than honest, but who knows...

I think women should wear more of those "boxers"
I'd need to see the original French, but maybe she just meant thick underwear or something (what people at the concerts described seeing ;) ).

bt_bird_90
11-12-2006, 02:56 AM
Meh, I too am too lazy to hunt down the interview, I just remembered it was available on here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alizee

RMJ
11-12-2006, 03:11 AM
Yea, it was fun to talk about this. Not so interested of the matter we talked but the general conversation. It's been long time I have had convos like this. I mean, talking about straight facts and making assumptions of what really is behind all of these things... Really enjoyable. :)

Ben
11-12-2006, 03:22 AM
Oui, what shall we talk about next? :D

nurvonic
11-12-2006, 03:37 AM
what the holy dogshit is going on here? lol. you guys went crazy with the posting. ill have to catch up tomorrow:cool:

bt_bird_90
11-12-2006, 03:37 AM
Oui, what shall we talk about next? :D

Alizée (http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre)

or

applications of Einstein's special theory of relativity (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/shebwat/gtfo_1.jpg)

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 03:39 AM
Oui, what shall we talk about next? :D

L'ogre en clip d'ACC - quoi est importance.

RMJ, your song, you get first comment.

(yeah, my french still sucks)

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 03:44 AM
applications of Einstein's special theory of relativity (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/shebwat/gtfo_1.jpg)

Well the mathematical definition of energy has some realistic uses. The theories (1st and 2nd relativity) as a whole basically have no use, other than to advance other useless studies.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 03:51 AM
Found the interview where she mentions the skirt lifting:
http://www.alizee-fanpage.com/page.php?language=ger&content=showpress&id=183&lang=gb

For some reason, the scan of the second page is missing (where it's located at the top left corner... since i have the page myself :p ) . I'll find some other scan of it in a bit...

Here is the missing second page:
http://membres.lycos.fr/nidalizee/septembre%202003/hitmachgirl02.JPG


L'ogre en clip d'ACC - quoi est importance.

RMJ, your song, you get first comment.

(yeah, my french still sucks)
I just say that ACC rocks !

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 03:53 AM
I just say that ACC rocks !

There is a meaning for the massive guy in the video. Comment on it or I shall Kill You.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 03:54 AM
There is a meaning for the massive guy in the video. Comment on it or I shall Kill You.
C'est moi !

HibyPrime
11-12-2006, 03:56 AM
the guy is insanely ugly, why would you want to be him?

Ben
11-12-2006, 03:58 AM
Here is the missing second page:
http://membres.lycos.fr/nidalizee/septembre%202003/hitmachgirl02.JPG
Ugh, so hard to read. Looks just like "boxer"...

C'est moi !
Lies! He's Thorhammer McNugget!

http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~bfrazer1/thorhammer_mcnugget.jpg

RMJ
11-12-2006, 04:12 AM
the guy is insanely ugly, why would you want to be him?

This might sound like an easy answer but... Lili is in the video, too !



Ugh, so hard to read. Looks just like "boxer"...

Yea, but the translation is provided in the earlier link in the same post. The translation page was just missing the scan. :) (it's two page interview)


And lol at the pic. :D

Ben
11-12-2006, 04:14 AM
Yea, but the translation is provided in the earlier link in the same post. The translation page was just missing the scan. :) (it's two page interview)
I know, but I was looking for the original French word there.

And lol at the pic. :D
http://www.myspace.com/14898122

RMJ
11-12-2006, 04:18 AM
Oh, well, it's "boxer". :p

bt_bird_90
11-12-2006, 04:34 AM
Oh, well, it's "boxer". :p
"I lifted up my skirt out of provocation. Having said that, I was wearing boxers!"

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1235/boxers1jvi9.jpg
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Fun with puns.

Ben
11-12-2006, 04:37 AM
"I lifted up my skirt out of provocation. Having said that, I was wearing boxers!"

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1235/boxers1jvi9.jpg
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Fun with puns.
"Knock out the fat!" :cool:

Twitch
11-12-2006, 05:26 PM
Alizée Allinace (http://www.alizeealliance.net/forum/index.php?) is back up, here is a link to the thread hoping to create a complete list of all the Alizée fansites. http://www.alizeealliance.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=6125
And this is a link where members of the forum can create a thread for their sites and discuss them. This is usually used by site admins for feedback and comments to help improve their sites. So it might be better to use the first one, unless someone wants to regularly check this thread and keep brad posted about the comments. http://www.alizeealliance.net/forum/index.php?showforum=39

brad
11-12-2006, 05:37 PM
We definitely don't want to spam their website, because I am sure they have little interest in an all English website. But like Snatcher said, I think making the homepage on digg is a valid news story that people would like to hear about.

Also, if they are collecting a list of Alizée websites, it would be nice to get on the list :)

Twitch
11-12-2006, 05:50 PM
Since they are collecting sites, and I think that they would all enjoy the video collection here, I thought that listing the site wouldn't be a problem. They actually ask people to list good fansites as they find them for that thread, which if you check the sites listed they are not limited to French (http://alizee.ru/), and who knows there might actually be members whose English is good enough to join.

RMJ
11-12-2006, 07:28 PM
We definitely don't want to spam their website, because I am sure they have little interest in an all English website.
They are as much interested of English board as we are interested of French boards. So, pretty much. :)

Of course they don't all speak English there but those who does, checkes AF board regulary to see what news we have. And we get info from them. :)

Language is not barrier for real Alizée fan. :)

Ben
11-13-2006, 02:41 AM
They are as much interested of English board as we are interested of French boards.
Well not totally. French boards will always be ground zero for the latest happenings, so I think our interest in them outweights their's in us... same way we're more interested in news from Paris than, say, New York.

But yeah, as I said guys, I'll write up a news post to be translated this afternoon, using part of what was already done, and can post it there since I have an established account. But right now I gotta run to class, bye!

brad
11-13-2006, 08:37 AM
But yeah, as I said guys, I'll write up a news post to be translated this afternoon, using part of what was already done, and can post it there since I have an established account. But right now I gotta run to class, bye!

Thanks Snatcher

Ben
11-13-2006, 09:18 AM
Ok, here it is. Feel free to take liberties with the wording to make the translation sound more natural.


Hey all, I wanted to let you know about something that we were able to accomplish with the help of a new English website/forum, moi-alizee.us: A J'en ai marre performance is now one of the top stories on digg.com - one of the most visited websites in the world!

Le but de digg.com est de faire de la pub et s’il y a assez de « diggs » - une phrase argot pour « j’aime cette chose » - on aura des chances d'apparaître sur la page d’accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite publicité qu’on a lancée.

After less than 6 hours on the site, the Alizée video reached the front page. Now, a few days latter, it has well over 500 votes and is still among the top picks in the "music videos" catagory. Because of this, thousands of people in North America have seen our Lili, and in the coming days many more will!

It's a big accomplishment for the American fans, and we are very proud. It will increase her exposure here, and hopefully create many new devotees. Check out the digg at:
http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

(Thanks to [insert names here] for translating this message!)

brad
11-13-2006, 09:54 AM
looks great snatcher

in the past 3 days we have had over 22,000 unique visitors, compared to about 900 per day we usually get :D

Ben
11-13-2006, 09:58 AM
:eek: Perhaps I should change "thousands" to "tens of thousands"?

brad
11-13-2006, 10:06 AM
or maybe just mention that digg is one of the most popular websites in the world? Like you said before, they probably won't know what digg.com is or what making the homepage there really means. According to Alexa (which is very inacurate) digg is #85 of all websites on the internet.

And this is unrelated but I just noticed, Alexa moved us from 412,000 to 6,083 in the rankings today .. lol

alizee-forum is 147,000, but again .. alexa is very inacurate on these things.

Ben
11-13-2006, 10:08 AM
K, done, a quite simple and literal addition to the first paragraph.

EDIT: Btw, where can one see Alexa's rankings?

brad
11-13-2006, 10:12 AM
looks great :)

EDIT: Btw, where can one see Alexa's rankings?

edit: http://alexa.com

I say it is inacurate because it uses 'toolbars' that are installed on peoples browsers to get their numbers. People have to install their toolbar to be counted, and they make a projection based on how many of their people are visiting certain sites.

for example, if 10 of us installed that toolbar .. it would make our alexa rankings sky rocket.

Twitch
11-13-2006, 12:37 PM
Since I need the practice, especially if I'm going to be of any value when the new stuff comes out, I attempted a translation. Feel free to correct my many errors.:p

brad
11-13-2006, 12:44 PM
thanks twitch :)

it looks perfect to me, but that isn't saying much .. lol

Salut a tous, j'ai voulu vous faire connaître de quelque chose que nous pouvions accomplir avec l'aide d'un nouveaux site web/forum anglais, moi-alizee.us : Une performance de « J'en ai marre » est maintenant l'une des histoires supérieures sur digg.com - un des sites Web les plus visités au monde !

Le but de digg.com est de faire de la pub et s'il y a assez de « diggs » - une phrase argot pour « j'aime cette chose » - on aura des chances d'apparaître sur la page d'accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite publicité qu'on a lancée.

Après moins de 6 heures sur le site, la vidéo d'Alizée a atteint la première page. Maintenant, quelques jours après, elle a bien plus de 500 votes et est toujours parmi les sélections supérieures dans la catégorie « music videos » . Pour cette raison, des milliers de personnes en Amérique du Nord ont vu notre Lili, et durant les prochains jours beaucoup plus de personnes auront la chance !

C'est un grand accomplissement pour les fans américains, et nous sommes très fiers. Il augmentera son exposition ici, et crée si tout va bien beaucoup de nouveaux fans. Vous pouvez voir le « digg » à : http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautif..._J_en_Ai_Marre

Twitch
11-13-2006, 12:49 PM
Well actually I think it should be "que nous avons accompli avec" not the "que nous pouvions accomplir avec", it just sounds weird to me after reading it again, but like I said it needs corrections. :)
(Yes, "nous avons accompli" is actually "we accomplished" but it sounds more natural that way to me, but I could be wrong)

aFrenchie
11-13-2006, 03:52 PM
Not bad at all Twitch :). I even started from your own version to make mine below. Lots of changes but don't worry, it's just to make it sound as a French native would speak. That doesn't mean that yours was very bad! ;)
Some things:
- I've also improved again the second part that I translated myself yesterday (or before)
- I've left "histoire" ("story") like in the original text but used quotation marks because I don't know why a video is called a story here (don't know Digg much yet...). EDIT: changed to "article"
- "Amérique du Nord" is a bit weird as we rather use "Amérique" alone for the USA (like in the US I guess). To include Canada, we would just say "aux États-Unis et au Canada" (that's what I've used) and to be complete, if it's about the whole continent (both North and South America), we specify "l'Amérique, le continent"...
- drop those French quotation marks (« »). They're never used in forums, only automatically inserted by programs like MS Word.
- no need to credit me at the end. Not necessary! :)

My version:
Salut à tous, je voulais vous mettre au courant de quelque chose qu'on a pu faire grâce à un nouveau site américain (et son forum), moi-alizee.us : une vidéo de "J'en ai marre" est maintenant l'un des articles les mieux classés sur digg.com - un des sites Web les plus visités au monde !

Le but de digg.com est de faire de la pub, et si on récupère suffisament de "diggs" - expression signifiant "j'aime bien ce truc" - on a des chances d'apparaître sur la page d'accueil, là où tout le monde peut voir la petite pub qu'on a lancée.

Après moins de 6 heures sur le site, la vidéo d'Alizée a atteint la première page. Après quelques jours seulement, elle a maintenant plus de 500 votes et se classe parmi les meilleures sélections dans la catégorie "music videos". Grâce à cela, quelques milliers de personnes aux États-Unis et au Canada ont pu découvrir notre Lili, et bien d'autres le feront encore dans les prochains jours !

C'est un grand accomplissement pour les fans américains, et nous en sommes très fiers. Cela augmentera son exposition ici et, si tout va bien, le nombre de ses nouveaux fans aussi. Vous pouvez voir le "digg" ici :
http://digg.com/videos_music/Beautiful_Alizee_performing_J_en_Ai_Marre

RMJ
11-13-2006, 04:01 PM
- I've left "histoire" ("story") like in the original text but used quotation marks because I don't know why a video is called a story here (don't know Digg much yet...)
Story is like synonym for article. And that is used for all of those diggs before there is lots of non-video material, too. Obviously the word was chosen without realizing that someday someone would post also video links.

"Histoire" is wrong if you ask my opinion. Just use something that means about the same as "article" in English.

Or atleast I would...

aFrenchie
11-13-2006, 04:06 PM
"Histoire" is wrong if you ask my opinion. Just use something that means about the same as "article" in English.
"Article" is French too and seems better indeed. Edited and changed.

Ben
11-13-2006, 04:10 PM
Thanks guys. :)

And I'm thanking you whether you like it or not, partially just because I don't want to give anyone on the Alliance the impression that I speak better French than I do. That could get me in trouble latter. ;)

Anyway, I'll wait few minutes in case you think of anymore last corrections, and then I'll post it.

aFrenchie
11-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Anyway, I'll wait few minutes in case you think of anymore last corrections, and then I'll post it.
It's good for me now.
Don't forget not to copy the digg link as it appears in the post (edited with "..."), a mistake very easy to make ;)