Alizee's Career - what went wrong?

[Euphoria]

Okay, I didn't want to clog the pictures thread with this, but I had a response. Considering this is a discussion forum, I see nothing wrong with this topic. Anyway, here we go.

When she hooked up with Jeremy, she was one of the hottest singers in Europe and when he was done with her, they didn't even know she was still performing or should I say, trying to perform.
Let's not forget that getting married also ruined Jeremy's career. The both of them were extremely popular before they got together, but both of their images changed and it just didn't work out for them. He was dark and mysterious and wrote music that teens and young adults related to, but then he got with Alizee and started writing more positive lyrics. Ultimately, I think that was the demise of Alizee's fame. She went from young, sexy, and single to being a mom.

One of the reasons Mylene can still sell out stadiums is because she is a French icon. What ultimately set off Mylene's career was going from the conservative 80s look to being sexy and risque (also went through major physical changes), and quite frankly, she pushed the envelope. If you've looked at translations of her music, it isn't very happy. I'd say the majority is very depressing and some is quite dark and sexual. Her career is quite similar to Madonna's. She's not a goody goody, she's a bad gurl and people like that.

Alizee has gone from spicy and vibrant, to being very vanilla, at least career-wise. I don't think the music has ever really been the issue. Jeremy is a great artist and a very successful song writer and producer. UEDS was pretty prententious so I can see why it didn't go over well, but Chateau Marmont kind of left her in a lurch as well. Anyway, you have to think of it from different angles.

People have also been asking me what I meant when I said "you don't know what you're talking about." Okay, so it's not anything super special and I don't know ALL the details. Here is what I do know. This is from another forum and is available for everyone to see.

http://i.imgur.com/Ak254.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z2U0k.jpg

Regarding the recent split-up/divorce, I do not know the details. All I know is what my source told me a couple of years ago. Alizee did not want to go back into the entertainment industry and Jeremy basically had to force her to record Psychedelices. She was starting to feel very resentful that he made her go back to work when she didn't want to. When the rumors started that they split up the first time, it was true. I thought they might have reconciled since then, but it appears they have not.

[alizeefan]

While for the most part i agree with the stuff you usually say so just two add my two cents .

1 cent - nothing went wrong as per the title here and everything is fine in my honest opinion . people/fans just want what they want or read into things as they see it , i am sure if you sat down with her for a few days and eventually came to the realization from her perspective yours would change completely .

2nd cent - as i ended cent 1 above , the same with her marriage . If you took it from her perspective and not third party you would see things completely differently . While you can point to this or that , interviews and so on they really don't add up the whole picture .

I didn't bother blowing up the clips , without her going into detail talking to me personally it all really means nothing to me , she said , he said . . .

[Euphoria]

Well, she will never talk to you about her marriage personally. I am just giving a little info from the people that are close her, don't shoot the messenger. :p

[OGRE]

Alizee has gone from spicy and vibrant, to being very vanilla,

This is common for women in general for the time period under discussion. I suspect that being a celebrity over that time just amplifies the affect. Having a child even more so.

[Mon Maquis]

That all sounds about right to me.

I will give you guys some inside info, when Alizee was in Mexico, Jeremy was there, but would not even be around her. Jeremy is the one who put her band together for the Psychedelices Tour. Alizee wanted nothing to do with the band. She would not even talk to them. She would sit on opposite sides of the room as far away as she could from them. Even when they were leaving Mexico, she did not even say goodbye to them.

They did not like her as well. DJ Karve personally asked me to delete some videos recently because he does not want anything to do with her. I told him that I would not because, its not my problem to cover up the past. I told him, if he was not happy, he should not have been her DJ.

Then as you all remember her concert back in Mexico where it was looking like she was crying the whole times and everyone said it was her make-up getting in her eyes... She did not want to be there back with them, reliving that all over again.

Soooo this problem with Jeremy and her has been going on longer then people think.

[alizeefan]

Well, she will never talk to you about her marriage personally.

Never say never , for all you know i am her , maybe Karin is her or maybe you are her . . . Maybe she is my myspace BFF or something like that lol . Perhaps even i am her psychologist . Stars aren't as untouchable as most seem to think . . I mean look at her friends they aren't all these celebs and famous people . Really though my point there is none of this matters to me , the he said she said . If indeed she did talk to me about it then i'd listen . Which as i said i can guarantee you then she would see things and explain her whole life experience as a Cinderella story and not Snow White with a machine gun . Otherwise the Jeremy said this , she said that in a one sentence interview answer . . Her friend said this - meaningless to me .
From what i see here and there it's all got a very jealously lined undertone via third party perspective .

I am just giving a little info from the people that are close her, don't shoot the messenger. :p

Touche' - sorry if and when i do come off harshly i really don't mean to but you people bring it out of me :p so it's really all your faults :fight:

Also not that i mind all this talk so don't stop because i bitch , for the most part that is why i am here interacting cuz i really do enjoy all your company .

EDIT - oh yeah , as for those people claiming to be close to her . They really don't seem to be so close when they sum her up with such brunt statements . See it makes them look bad , her look bad and sad , which surely isn't the case . Then like here gets people talking like spreading stories in school and things get mis-construed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXyqfyI7Vv0

[Rev]

Here are some old thoughts on the topic: :)
http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55625&postcount=82


http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1834

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

This is all fan speculation and/or hogwash written by someone that wants to be admired and looked-upon as an individual that is close to Alizée; and not quality information written by somebody who actually is close to or knows Alizée. All of the information is public knowledge mixed with personal pipe dreams. I'm not drinking the cool-aid.

Sorry to burst your bubble Euphoria.

I wish people would quit acting like they know Alizée on a personal level or like they have the "inside" info when they don't. I mean, some of us joke around and stuff and that is cool. But people that try to act like they have special info to leak and they act like it's genuine... they need to take down their Alizée shrine and get a life. Seriously... because it's getting out of hand!

[Euphoria]

Oh please, Aaron. If anyone has an Alizee shrine, it's you. Get over yourself.

[Panther]

1 cent - nothing went wrong as per the title here and everything is fine in my honest opinion.

I agree with this.

Of course I understand the sentiment in the thread title but I prefer to see Alizee's career as 'evolving' rather than simply taking a nose-dive following the marriage and the split with MF/LB. We can all speculate as to the reasons for that turning point and I'm sure we all have our preferred version of events. I have mine, I'm happy with it, and everything I've seen or read about her since that time has only served to confirm it. I may be deluded but I'm happy. Ergo, thinking about Alizee makes me happy.

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

I agree with this.

Of course I understand the sentiment in the thread title but I prefer to see Alizee's career as 'evolving' rather than simply taking a nose-dive following the marriage and the split with MF/LB. We can all speculate as to the reasons for that turning point and I'm sure we all have our preferred version of events. I have mine, I'm happy with it, and everything I've seen or read about her since that time has only served to confirm it. I may be deluded but I'm happy. Ergo, thinking about Alizee makes me happy.

I, too, agree that nothing went wrong as the title suggests. That's another thing I agree with... when someone evolves or makes career decisions it doesn't mean something went wrong simply because you didn't like it. Some people act as if they represent the entire fan base as Alizée's critic; like something is bad or wrong because they didn't like it.... I like all of Alizée's music and I don't think anything is wrong with it. Just because she didn't go diamond doesn't mean shes a failure.

[Euphoria]

Well, some of us prefer to be realistic rather than idealistic. ;) To be honest, the title was more of an attention grabber, but I had a response to what Scruffy said.

Edit:

Also, it's not speculation. I won't be giving out anymore of my info though, because it's not appreciated. I could give a lot more details, but what I've given so far isn't even really deserved.

[vivealizee]

There are many pop singers who were 1-2 hit wonders, one of them is Alizée... wonder if other one hit wonders also have forums and fanbases.. hmm...
She was 16-18, MF made profit with her and for her, when she was older she had no use for her so the cooperation ended. That's it.

I just wonder why not the whole world fell in love with her forever.. how can someone see the face at that time say "meh... she looks good"..
How can you forget her?

[VVVACCPLPNLY]

god euphoria, i dont necessarrily agree or disagree with aaron in what... umm... she, right? i think? what they said about you. but... by saying what you just did, i mean, come on, you're just playing into peoples' hands. i mean,
Also, it's not speculation. I won't be giving out anymore of my info though, because it's not appreciated. I could give a lot more details, but what I've given so far isn't even really deserved.
come one. i'm not doubting you or anything, just, you aren't making a strong case for yourself.

as for my actual opinion on this thread, well, i believe NOTHING has gone wrong with her career, per se. she is going through a strange (but not inherently bad) personal phase that i dont agree with or like (but i dont have to). and, i honestly dont like her newest single. but then, many artists have phases and songs i dont like, even if i generally approve of them. take for instance linkin park. ugh, the emo-chester only days, UGH. hated it. but the rest of linkin park, hell yeah. doesnt mean they had problems in their career cause they made 1 sucktastic song. yeah, they're still not back to what i like, but they may never be. same for alizee. i dont like it, but it will sit right with me eventually.

now, if you wanna see artists having trouble in their career, just go to google and type in ryu hwayoung, t-ara, or core contents media. yeah. try that. lol

[SpanishFan]

I agree. Apart from stop selling albums, stopping to appear in all the european t.v. channels, and not being able to go on tour and perform in front of the crowds anymore, nothing went wrong in her career.:13:

[Euphoria]

Something definitely went wrong in her career. No, she doesn't have to be a mega superstar to be considered successful, but let's face it, Psychedelices would have been a flop if it weren't for Mexico. In fact, I think it would be better if she did more low key stuff, sticking to small venues and such. Yes, her personal life did have something to do with her career issues, but you can't blame that entirely. Jeremy has maintained a very successful career behind the scenes, and he was the other half of that relationship.

[Panther]

Well, some of us prefer to be realistic rather than idealistic. ;) To be honest, the title was more of an attention grabber, but I had a response to what Scruffy said.

Edit:

Also, it's not speculation. I won't be giving out anymore of my info though, because it's not appreciated. I could give a lot more details, but what I've given so far isn't even really deserved.

Well I think my own version of events is very realistic, and it is consistent with the material that you posted in the first screen shot, but I use the word 'speculation' because unless or until I hear it from her personally there has to remain an element of doubt. That's just how I roll. But I would add that I came to these conclusions independently by analysing the basic facts: ie a sudden and dramatic departure from her mentors during a commercially successful period and the simultanious marriage, her whole demaenour during her performances at various times before that point, the nature of Mylene's career and her performances and Alizee's subsequent image and performances, style of dress etc after 2004.

[vivealizee]

It happends to sooo many "stars"...
You could foresee it when she had success that it wouldn't be forever.. there are so many c-lebrities, Alizée is clearly one of them.

[ptjmwa]

Something definitely went wrong in her career. No, she doesn't have to be a mega superstar to be considered successful, but let's face it, Psychedelices would have been a flop if it weren't for Mexico. In fact, I think it would be better if she did more low key stuff, sticking to small venues and such. Yes, her personal life did have something to do with her career issues, but you can't blame that entirely. Jeremy has maintained a very successful career behind the scenes, and he was the other half of that relationship.

Even in Mexico she's not as popular as you guys like to think. She's known in Mexico city and a few other places, but she's not well known nationally.

[Azhiri]

It all makes sense to me. How hard is it to believe that there are in fact people here who are personally connected with Alizee? She isn't THAT famous and seems more accessible, especially these days, than huge stars. Now, if someone had posted this exact thing about somebody like Katy Perry or Rihanna, I'd be less inclined to believe them, but it's not like Alizee is so elevated into the celeb life that she has no friends or connections to the real world.

Besides, even if you choose to believe it's all made up, their guess is as good as ours since none of us know her personally either, and for that reason it's pretty hypocritical to criticize and tell other people that they're wrong. None of you can say anything that should get more respect or credibility than anyone else because we're all in the same boat in terms of actually having any "behind-the-scenes" info.

Also, I guess thinking something went wrong in her career is subjective, but personally I think something DID go wrong. She's basically gone into obscurity at this point. The only people who really know or follow her are her core fanbase who have been in it from the beginning.

While I'm still a fan, I believe that the only reason she became successful was because MF picked her up and gave her a costume to step into. The MF-LB Alizee was all an act, she was told how to behave during interviews, what to say or not say, how to perform. It was a very meticulously crafted image. Alizee just gave it a face and a voice. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Alizee Jacotey. Now that it's over, I don't think "just Alizee" has the drive or personality to become a success again. She's beautiful, yes, but there are a lot of beautiful people in this world. She is basically a model, she can do very well for herself, but only if someone gives her an outfit to wear and calls all the shots for her, including directing her behavior.

[vivealizee]

Sure something in her opinion went wrong..
She don't just do music for fun, she also wants to make money and shes trying to find a style which could make her earn more money. Sure she is also an artist, but it's not like she is spending her talent in selfless music providing.


While I'm still a fan, I believe that the only reason she became successful was because MF picked her up and gave her a costume to step into. The MF-LB Alizee was all an act, she was told how to behave during interviews, what to say or not say, how to perform. It was a very meticulously crafted image. Alizee just gave it a face and a voice. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Alizee Jacotey. Now that it's over, I don't think "just Alizee" has the drive or personality to become a success again. She's beautiful, yes, but there are a lot of beautiful people in this world. She is basically a model, she can do very well for herself, but only if someone gives her an outfit to wear and calls all the shots for her, including directing her behavior.
This.

[Euphoria]

It happends to sooo many "stars"...
You could foresee it when she had success that it wouldn't be forever.. there are so many c-lebrities, Alizée is clearly one of them.
That is true, and honestly I see nothing wrong with not being as popular as you used to be. I mean no one is really a superstar forever. Yes, there are exceptions like Madonna and Cher, Michael Jackson, etc, but I'd say most artists like to maintain somewhat of an even level of fame. I think the thing with Alizee is that she seems to want fame when it's convenient and the entertainment business is just too fickle for that.

[Panther]

I think the thing with Alizee is that she seems to want fame when it's convenient and the entertainment business is just too fickle for that.

I think you're spot on there. I really don't think she wants to meet the demands of being a 'superstar' and prefers to strive for a 'better' work/life balance. If that is the case then I approve 100% and if she can pull it off then that is great for her IMO but I get the feeling that a lot of her fans would prefer her to be a 24/7 megastar. There are numerous things she could do if she wanted all the fame and fortune of a megastar - eg living in Paris for a start - but she chooses to live in Corsica and that speaks volumes to me about her core values.

[SpanishFan]

"She does not want to be a megastar"

While that phrase can be true, she could not be a megastar even if she wanted to. So that affirmation is irrelevant, the fact is that she is not a top musician or celebrity, and I think most of us are not bothered because of that, so no problem.
She is a beautiful singer with a lot of charm, but she has no ambition or musical talent. Nothing wrong with that, I think she is the first to know that, otherwise she would act like a diva and behave in very odd ways.

[Karin]

"She does not want to be a megastar"

While that phrase can be true, she could not be a megastar even if she wanted to. So that affirmation is irrelevant, the fact is that she is not a top musician or celebrity, and I think most of us are not bothered because of that, so no problem.
She is a beautiful singer with a lot of charm, but she has no ambition or musical talent. Nothing wrong with that, I think she is the first to know that, otherwise she would act like a diva and behave in very odd ways.

well... she has talent, but must find the right way and the right people

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

"She does not want to be a megastar"

While that phrase can be true, she could not be a megastar even if she wanted to. So that affirmation is irrelevant, the fact is that she is not a top musician or celebrity, and I think most of us are not bothered because of that, so no problem.
She is a beautiful singer with a lot of charm, but she has no ambition or musical talent. Nothing wrong with that, I think she is the first to know that, otherwise she would act like a diva and behave in very odd ways.

She is better than a "mega star" to me and that is all that matters.

[vivealizee]

True that, but that's not the topic.

IMO she wants to be a megastar and tries hard to get back to the top, but she seem to be at one's wits' end, I think she tries the diffrent styles not just because she finds it interesting.

[SpanishFan]

well... she has talent, but must find the right way and the right people

If she needs all of that then she is not that talented...

Talented people just need a chance and a little bit of luck imo.
But I don't mean it in an offensive way, I like her. The fact that she does not play instruments, or she does not write her music or her lyrics it is not that important to me.

[mzracing76]

Why do people presume her career is headed in the wrong direction because she chose a path that those people do not agree with? Do we know what her goals were? Do we know what her ambitions were? Do we know for fact that she wanted that Popstar Status symbol? No we dont. She had her plans, and she has stuck to them. If anything, blame the Media for starting this type of topic and/or supposed myth. The Media didnt get what they wanted, and they want to paint Alizee as someone who dont care about her career.

[vivealizee]

Why do people presume her career is headed in the wrong direction because she chose a path that those people do not agree with?

Because it's hard to believe that a 14-16 year old girl who participates in music shows and sends demotapes to MF doesn't want to be succesfull. And also her new albums and changes of styles say "I want to be famous (again)".
Sure, she is artist, but she wants to make money with her work too, and not just a little bit.
Believing something else is just blinded.

[Panther]

Because it's hard to believe that a 14-16 year old girl who participates in music shows and sends demotapes to MF doesn't want to be succesfull.

Of course but that was then, when she'd had very little experience of the business and the toll it can take on your personal life. Is it not just possible that once she became 'successful' (2000 - 2004) she found the price of that level of success just too much to bear?


And also her new albums and changes of styles say "I want to be famous (again)".

Yes, but maybe for different reasons and in a different way. I think the new album will be very revealing.


Sure, she is artist, but she wants to make money with her work too, and not just a little bit.
Believing something else is just blinded.

Ultimately this whole discussion / debate rests on definitions of 'success' 'superstar' 'megastar' etc and unless we all agree on the criteria then there can be no real agreement. The point I was trying to make earlier was that I don't think Alizee wants the same level of success that she had back in 2000 - 2004 because I don't think she wants to make the domestic sacrifices that it would entail.

[vivealizee]

Is it not just possible that once she became 'successful' (2000 - 2004) she found the price of that level of success just too much to bear?

That is indeed possible, but it's very unlikely, because there are hundreds storys similar to hers, there are so many one hit wonders, and I think only a little little part of them doesn't want to be famous.
You may believe it, but it's very unlikely. MF just dropped her because Alizée was getting older, and she made enough money with her. They next years would have been more work for MF while earning less money with the product Alizée.

[Karin]

MF just dropped her because Alizée was getting older, and she made enough money with her. They next years would have been more work for MF while earning less money with the product Alizée.

like by MCE... sales were lower in compare with Gourmandises... Lolita just growned up

[vivealizee]

And there are also not so many real long-lasting superstars, the media wants and creates new stars every moment it seems.

[ALS]

Euphoria, that article in your first post is what caused me to join the board. I'd been into Alizée since late November early December 2004. On those early forums there was a real animosity for Jeremy and on some other French music boards the woman were slamming Alizée daily for marrying Jeremy. It was pretty ugly back then, with talk of the marriage being nothing more than a publicity stunt or sham. No one was giving it more than six months at most. Then it came out Alizée was pregnant and the haters started to tone down the comments and or left the boards.

The one point I do want to make is if this marriage was in so much trouble from the beginning why would Alizée and Jeremy buy a 4,000 sqft home on a golf coarse in 2008. Then a year or so later in Feb 2009 they go out and buy a commercial building in Villejuif for 180,000 €. The homes on her street in that Golf community are selling for 1.25 million €. The last one sold in less than 90 days.

I'm betting these problems in the marriage started right after the Psychedelices release. The critics panned the album and Jeremy of course had his hands all over that album from the start. Une enfant du siècle's lack of success just turned up the heat on the problems in her marriage and career.

Throw two strong personalities together and I'm betting there is going to be a lot of friction.

As far as the story on the band and her avoiding them I can theorize on that one. Lets see, the word is out that there are problems between Alizée and Jeremy and here are a bunch of sex crazed rock and roller band members.

How many members of that band hit on her while she was in Mexico?
I know guys and this is well with in the possibilities.
If you're a married woman with some family values there is no way you're going to encourage these guys so you're going to keep your distance.
It probably pissed her off and she was distant and not too friendly with any of them. And of course the band thinks she is a stuck up bitch for ignoring them.

As far as the DJ wanting you to take down the YouTube videos of Alizée and him, did you ask why he is upset with her? Anyone remember the fat older guy during that one interview in Mexico asking Alizée when she was going to do a nude spread? I'm wondering how many of these so call men who make disparaging comments against her and say they will never work with her again saw that Corsican side of her because of "their" actions not hers.

I wonder how many of these guys got their butt chewed out for thinking she was an easy piece of tail.

If you notice she only hangs alone, with her girl friends and obviously gay Dancerman. There have been no straight guys that we have seen in her life over the last eight or so months, WHY? I betting she is taking a break from guys for the near future because of a lot of bad situations in the past with men.

I've met lesbians and gays that use to be straight before having a total psycho come into their life, resulting in them switching sides as they say.

[Fralizee]

Alizee started to focus on her own style and wanted to show her own ideas, which as we all know is a hit or miss. Most artists stick to the style that sells and in concert play one of their own creations in between the well known numbers.
Alizee lost a large audience with her own style songs. I still only listen to the ols tunes , which bring out her talented voice much better.

[Aldighieri]

Simply radios don't sounds her songs..that's what went wrong..

[Un-rêve]

Well at the end of the day every great artist has their classics.

Alizée's 5th album is coming and that's nothing to sneeze at.. back in 2001 when I discovered her I thought she might just be a shooting star. Well I
knew she was special but I never thought she would still be selling albums 10 years on and I never thought I would be frequenting forums dedicated to her 10 years on either.

Well it's 2012 and we're here still discussing Alizée.. I think that's pretty amazing in itself!!! :D

[ALS]

Well I knew she was special but I never thought she would still be selling albums 10 years on and I never thought I would be frequenting forums dedicated to her 10 years on either.

Well it's 2012 and we're here still discussing Alizée.. I think that's pretty amazing in itself!!! :D

And how many different fan boards are there all around the world supporting this woman ten years later? It isn't just you or the members on this board who understand that she is one very special lady.

[mzracing76]

Alizee's greatest gift is her - Voice, Personality, and Charisma !!!

Thats why she still famous today. We love her the way she is.

[melovelily]

Alizee's greatest gift is her - Voice, Personality, and Charisma !!

not sure if forgot about her angelic look

Or just thought it was too obvious to post :p

[mzracing76]

Well please remember my five specific descriptions I stated as "Alizee Effect"

1-Voice
2-Beauty
3-Personality
4-Talent
5-Language

Those makes up my version of the Alizee Effect

[Davedel]

When she left Mylene, she went wrong. When she told a magazine, "it's not the real me.. it was only a role I was playing." she went wrong. When she went tattoo crazy, she went wrong... at least for me.

[Ray4AJ]

Alizée's career... Did anything go wrong, or as others have said, did it just evolve? She said she was playing a role, and that it wasn't the real her? (MF/LB days) I'll go along with the playing a role. She was playing the role of a successful recording artist. She was on the radio, doing tv appearances and interviews, had music videos, received awards, sold records, performed live throughout Europe and had a concert tour.

Movie stars play roles too. You don't see the real person in a movie. Buy if they can find the roles to play that get them more work, they get to be 'successful.' If that's what they want.

I've seen a few videos of Alizée that I thought did show the real her. The Star à Domicile episodes seemed to show a certain Alizée. I thought I saw a certain Alizée at the M6 Awards in 2000 video when she won Best New Artist.

I also find it hard to believe that she had no idea there were various meanings to the lyrics back then until M. Chatelain came along. Might her parents have figured it out and said something before MCE?

And if she was all done with the business and had to be dragged back, now that the motivation is supposedly out of the picture, then what is her motivation for a fifth album?

I've learned that people and their motivations and desires change. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago, or even 3 months ago. The things that are important to me change constantly. I don't expect any different for anyone else, and I don't expect to be able to know what motivates Alizée or what she thinks.

Just disconnected thoughts I've been mulling over today....

[Euphoria]

And if she was all done with the business and had to be dragged back, now that the motivation is supposedly out of the picture, then what is her motivation for a fifth album?

I've learned that people and their motivations and desires change. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago, or even 3 months ago. The things that are important to me change constantly. I don't expect any different for anyone else, and I don't expect to be able to know what motivates Alizée or what she thinks.

Just disconnected thoughts I've been mulling over today....
$$$$$, from what I've been told.

[alizeefan]

Well, some of us prefer to be realistic rather than idealistic. ;) To be honest, the title was more of an attention grabber, but I had a response to what Scruffy said.

Edit:

Also, it's not speculation. I won't be giving out anymore of my info though, because it's not appreciated. I could give a lot more details, but what I've given so far isn't even really deserved.

Realistic and idealistic is very subjective . I see your view as idealistic and capricious . Of course the title is an attention grabber but i went deeper into it on my reply than simply that one part of this subject and that is the main gist of all this .

Again it is all third party perspective with very jealously lined undertones , if ya can't see that i don't know what to tell ya but i will try and explain my view more below .

As for not deserving , that doesn't bother me at all as i said i never even blew up that thing to read it . Pretty sure i've seen it before and didn't take much from it then besides a buncha gossiping grannies who want drama . But you don't have to be afraid to hold back , ain't gonna hurt my feelings either way . Have to agree there with the followiing -


come one. i'm not doubting you or anything, just, you aren't making a strong case for yourself.

Something definitely went wrong in her career. No, she doesn't have to be a mega superstar to be considered successful, but let's face it, Psychedelices would have been a flop if it weren't for Mexico. In fact, I think it would be better if she did more low key stuff, sticking to small venues and such. Yes, her personal life did have something to do with her career issues, but you can't blame that entirely. Jeremy has maintained a very successful career behind the scenes, and he was the other half of that relationship.

To me successful is just getting an album out the door , most artists can only dream of such . As ptwma said she isn't even really popular in Mexico as most think , heck most of the people i talk to in France when i ask if they're familiar with her are like who ? never heard of her . . .

To be honest i wouldn't recognize Jeremy if he was at my door trying to sell me his record , i'm not even sure he does music . I can tell you though from experience screaming girls buy alot more tunes and teeny bop magazines etc and so on than the guys do . Also i do recall something about him getting his start on one of those American X Karaoke shows which not to be mean to anyone if your into that but those people will pay to phone in and vote so they buy all that crappy untalented karaoke style remake music and whatnot . I really don't know and am not claiming to predict the future but my guess is in the end no one will remember him and many will still be memorizing her . .

Now before i said she would have to tell me herself blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda . Let me tell you , even if she herself sat down with me and told me this went wrong that went wrong . The type of person i am i would do my best to convince her she is wrong thinking like that and try to show what went right , even though we both know she wouldn't think like that . .

Also from what im gathering he is a typical greedy male and a bit of a le'douchebag whereas she doesn't seem to be that way and typical loving female which pretty much says it all . Plus your trying to compare there mother vs father , of course moms gonna focus on the kids whereas dads gonna go off and have fun . That in the end when the lil girls screaming for the man crush of the week mature no one will remember him . Besides perhaps the fact that he married her . Which may seem i am being jealous saying that but not at all . She loved him and had a kid with the guy so he cant be all bad . If she was/is happy with it that is what is most important to me . I doubt if she was bitter would try to re-add him on twitter . Him on the other hand denying her , ya just gotta laugh about it . I'm sure she does and has more good memories than bad as that is life . Anyway that is comparing apples to oranges .

It all makes sense to me. How hard is it to believe that there are in fact people here who are personally connected with Alizee? She isn't THAT famous and seems more accessible, especially these days, than huge stars. Now, if someone had posted this exact thing about somebody like Katy Perry or Rihanna, I'd be less inclined to believe them, but it's not like Alizee is so elevated into the celeb life that she has no friends or connections to the real world.

O k i see how this is being perceived . What my meaning anyway of the above is like what does it matter what others say or even herself ? It's all writ very shorthand and has no depth at all . There is alot more to it than a few sentences or paragraphs . To sum it all up like that then for us to sit here and this is where the speculation comes in . . . meaningless . Sure it's fun but it doesn't tell the real full story .


Besides, even if you choose to believe it's all made up, their guess is as good as ours since none of us know her personally either, and for that reason it's pretty hypocritical to criticize and tell other people that they're wrong. None of you can say anything that should get more respect or credibility than anyone else because we're all in the same boat in terms of actually having any "behind-the-scenes" info.

Also, I guess thinking something went wrong in her career is subjective, but personally I think something DID go wrong. She's basically gone into obscurity at this point. The only people who really know or follow her are her core fanbase who have been in it from the beginning.

While I'm still a fan, I believe that the only reason she became successful was because MF picked her up and gave her a costume to step into. The MF-LB Alizee was all an act, she was told how to behave during interviews, what to say or not say, how to perform. It was a very meticulously crafted image. Alizee just gave it a face and a voice. It could have been anyone, it just happened to be Alizee Jacotey. Now that it's over, I don't think "just Alizee" has the drive or personality to become a success again. She's beautiful, yes, but there are a lot of beautiful people in this world. She is basically a model, she can do very well for herself, but only if someone gives her an outfit to wear and calls all the shots for her, including directing her behavior.

Well that is just the French music scene , who there ever that had been successful didn't just fall into obscurity . After all this isn't the US market and i doubt France will ever have a Madonna or MJ .

While i won't disagree with it being an act as others have stated here she even said herself . But who can say that if it was someone else it would have been what it was , in fact if it was someone else it could have been more or even less popular . While indeed an act and obviously she was chosen for good reason , that act incorporated her , by her and from her including major parts of her . It's highly doubtful she just went along for the ride without having some major input , influencing every detail as only she could . For instance i'm sure it wasn't o k put this on and you WILL wear this , she definitely had say and was like yeah i like this and don't like that , i will wear this but no WAY i'm wearing THAT ! It's not like o k were cutting that dress shorter , what you don't like it ? YOUR FIRED ! No it was more like is it o k that it's that short can we go a few inches shorter ? Yes i like it and im fine with it , cut off a few inches and lets see . . Plus sure stars are helped with what to say and what not to say with the questions being given beforehand and prepared for but there can be no doubt her personality shined through all the staged material .

$$$$$, from what I've been told.

Who of us wouldn't say yes when offered the dollars . . That's just the biz .

Alot more i want to pick on here and this is a really great topic even if i don't come off as having fun with it so sorry to mostly pick on Euphoria here but getting long in the tooth . Perhaps i will go back through given time .

[SpanishFan]

Alizée's career... Did anything go wrong, or as others have said, did it just evolve? She said she was playing a role, and that it wasn't the real her? (MF/LB days) I'll go along with the playing a role. She was playing the role of a successful recording artist. She was on the radio, doing tv appearances and interviews, had music videos, received awards, sold records, performed live throughout Europe and had a concert tour.

Movie stars play roles too. You don't see the real person in a movie. Buy if they can find the roles to play that get them more work, they get to be 'successful.' If that's what they want.

I've seen a few videos of Alizée that I thought did show the real her. The Star à Domicile episodes seemed to show a certain Alizée. I thought I saw a certain Alizée at the M6 Awards in 2000 video when she won Best New Artist.

I also find it hard to believe that she had no idea there were various meanings to the lyrics back then until M. Chatelain came along. Might her parents have figured it out and said something before MCE?

And if she was all done with the business and had to be dragged back, now that the motivation is supposedly out of the picture, then what is her motivation for a fifth album?

I've learned that people and their motivations and desires change. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago, or even 3 months ago. The things that are important to me change constantly. I don't expect any different for anyone else, and I don't expect to be able to know what motivates Alizée or what she thinks.

Just disconnected thoughts I've been mulling over today....



:bow::bow::bow:

[Euphoria]

I don't really know what to say. Mostly because I can only decipher bits and pieces of that god awful ramble. I'm not going to try with you people anymore, though. You ask for answers and people give them to you, but you don't want to believe what they say. I guess some people just enjoy being deluded.

I will address a few things you said, though. First of all, I never said she was all that popular in Mexico, I said that if it weren't for Mexico, Psychedelices would have been a flop. It started okay on the French charts, but dropped pretty quickly.

As far as being successful for releasing an album, I can't say I agree with you there. There are thousands of artists that release albums on their own labels and they never make any money off of it. I would consider it a personal accomplishment, but that is different from being successful.

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't know if Jeremy does music. It's been stated multiple times that he does not perform anymore, he works behind the scenes as a composer and producer. Just last year he wrote and composed the children's musical “Pollux et le manège enchanté”, produced by KMMS, M6 and RTL. Yes, he was on Star Academy, but he did not win. Even so, his singing career was very successful until he married Alizee. He found his niche, though and has made a lot of money writing music for other people.

As far as calling Jeremy a douche, what makes you think that? Because he didn't want to be with Alizee anymore? I think you've proven complete ignorance on your part concerning Jeremy. The majority here know absolutely nothing about him. He was Alizee's saving grace the past 9 years and he deserves a little respect.

Lastly, there was this. "Who of us wouldn't say yes when offered the dollars . . That's just the biz ."

I don't disagree, girl has to make a living. He wanted a reason why she would continue though, and that is the reason. Don't make the mistake that she does it because music is a passion of hers.

[ImRawdg]

Good thread. This is the closest I've ever seen this site get to the reality. And I'm by no means an "inside" person, but I know that these people giving you information are definitely to be trusted. It was a difficult thing for me to find out that this impeccable star I fell in love with had so many flaws, but you can accept it and still feel respect, where it is still due. What a roller coaster this whole thing has been, but I wouldn't change it for the world. I don't know why.

That said, at face value, I feel very good about how things have been going recently. The sudden bombardment of Twitter activity etc. has really risen my hope for the future. We shall see.

[Rev]

I don't disagree, girl has to make a living. He wanted a reason why she would continue though, and that is the reason. Don't make the mistake that she does it because music is a passion of hers.

Actually, performing is a passion of hers, and music is simply a way to get there. :)

[alizeefan]

I don't really know what to say. Mostly because I can only decipher bits and pieces of that god awful ramble.

Your English comprehension is the only awful i can gather .

and this i'm adding in after reading your entire reply - its funny how you can only decipher bits and pieces yet somehow seemed to remark on everything i wrote about . . . i just hope you grow up to be a real boy someday there Pinnochio .

I'm not going to try with you people anymore, though. You ask for answers and people give them to you, but you don't want to believe what they say. I guess some people just enjoy being deluded.

I've never asked you for anything . In case that was hard to understand let me rephrase it . Me no want nuffin from u . me no ever ask anything from you . me never will ask anything from you .


I will address a few things you said, though. First of all, I never said she was all that popular in Mexico, I said that if it weren't for Mexico, Psychedelices would have been a flop. It started okay on the French charts, but dropped pretty quickly.

WDF - you couldn't understand it god awful but here you go addressing a few things . . . this is just getting funnier by the moment .

Then again because you don't know how to use the quote button i'm not even sure you're replying to me . So i guess not and wont even bother reading much of it . I'll just Evelyn Wood speed read it without comprehending as you do , then say i won't reply yet i will reply, , , .

let me simplify that since you will have trouble with that one too .

me no think you talk me so me no read u . me no reply .


As far as being successful for releasing an album, I can't say I agree with you there. There are thousands of artists that release albums on their own labels and they never make any money off of it. I would consider it a personal accomplishment, but that is different from being successful.

I'd ask you to look up the definition of successful but apparently you've never seen a dictionary . Thousands of artists releasing stuff is not what we are talking about . We are talking about her , also she definitely got paid up front or wouldn't even do it . To change the context of my statement from those who don't get paid and release stuff from her getting paid and releasing stuff is a complete lack of comprehension skills .

Let me simplify so you can understand that Borat -

Alizée GREAT $UCCE$$ !


I'm not sure what you mean by you don't know if Jeremy does music. It's been stated multiple times that he does not perform anymore, he works behind the scenes as a composer and producer. Just last year he wrote and composed the children's musical “Pollux et le manège enchanté”, produced by KMMS, M6 and RTL. Yes, he was on Star Academy, but he did not win. Even so, his singing career was very successful until he married Alizee. He found his niche, though and has made a lot of money writing music for other people.

Hmm more god awful writing you didn't understand yet here you go commenting on what you can't comprehend , interesting . . .

Where exactly was it stated he does not perform anymore multiple times and sorry to say i must have missed the forum rule which stated i was required to know that . Should i read them all or would it be o k if i just read one ?

So let me get this right if i can - first you claimed he did fine before , during and after the marriage and now you changed it to successful until he married her ? and you say my writing is confusing. . . all though i do see a pattern forming here of your relation to Jeremy Le'douche of bags .

As far as calling Jeremy a douche, what makes you think that?

As i said before and you failed to grasp which is very strange that you are somehow are speaking of the exact thing you claim to not understand -

Osmosis i recon ? Maybe you asked your Siri ?

After the split she tried to add him on twitter or facebook or something and he denied it . Correct ?

To break that down to simpleton level -

She add him twitter + him say no = Jeremy Le'douche of Baggages .

Also as i said before and you failed to grasp what they do or don't do together is of no matter to me .

I clearly stated after the Le'douchebag comment that he cant be all bad as she loved him probably still does , they had a kid togther yadda yadda yadda . Also that t has nothing to do with jealousy or hatred , i simply don't care . How nice of you to completely overlook that after me going out of my way to explain . I'd copy paste it so you can read it again instead of Evelyn Wood speed reading without comprehending but that would apparently be more a waste of time than the first time .

Because he didn't want to be with Alizee anymore?

Oh yes you've figured me out , some guy i clearly as you state yourself don't know anything about and am " ignorant " - i'm mad at because he doesn't want to be with her anymore . Since you will fail to comprehend that let me elaborate .

If me know nothing about he ,
how me know he no want to be with her ?

You seem to have a major man crush on him which makes me understand this all the better . The pattern is now clear .

Isn't there some Jeremy Le'Douche forum you can goto maybe those there would be more sympathetic to your liking ? Honestly i have no feelings one way or the other , the douche comment was more to draw you/them out .

Perhaps you've forgot we are on Alizee America Forum and not Jeremy Le'Douche forum . How hard can it be to understand that people here aren't going to buy into what you're trying to sell . Also just in case you still haven't given up hope on that thought . Even if they do buy it they probably still don't care :)

I think you've proven complete ignorance on your part concerning Jeremy.

As i stated more than once in my original reply and at least twice in this one i don't give a ratatouies ass about the dude , know nothing of him nor do i want to .

Calling me ignorant concerning Jeremy Le'Douche is actually a compliment the way i see it , thank you . That is the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day !

Let me help you understand that since you can't grasp the meaning of my god awful writing .

Jeremy Le'Douche no exist .
Me will forget of his existence after Submit Reply .

The majority here know absolutely nothing about him. He was Alizee's saving grace the past 9 years and he deserves a little respect.

So i'm supposed to respect some douche everyone hates on yet you can hate on her for this and that and its all good . O k i get it you are trollin me aww you really got me . This man crush you have on him , cute and all but as for as i'm concerned it's as bogus as why isnt she successful or she has ruined herself for getting a tat nonsense .


Lastly, there was this. "Who of us wouldn't say yes when offered the dollars . . That's just the biz ."

I don't disagree, girl has to make a living. He wanted a reason why she would continue though, and that is the reason. Don't make the mistake that she does it because music is a passion of hers.

Yeah you're right and have seriousilly Shirely not only convinced myself but many others , something someone does all their life they definitely wouldn't be passionate about . She is just in it for the money .

FUCK her and everyone who looks like her , mooderator plz delete my account immediately . Anyone want to buy my Alizee stuff or should i just throw it all in the trash ?

Have nice day .

[Azhiri]

Let's all try to keep it civil and not stoop to personal insults. Some of you really need to learn how to behave yourselves and talk calmly with others, if you can't even have a conversation about a little french singer without getting heated.. well, you must be exhausted.

Simmer down, please.

[Scruffydog777]

Well if what was originally said is true, about Alizee not wanting to continue her career and Jeremy having to push her into doing Psych, you have to put the blame on the both of them for things eventually falling apart. That is what you are supposed to find out during a courtship, during that time before you get married. You are supposed to find out each others likes and dislikes and ambitions and fears.

Maybe Jeremy thought they could work together on their music careers and conquer the world. Maybe Alizee wanted to become a devoted housewife and mother, totally giving up her career and I see nothing wrong with that if it's indeed how she felt, but maybe it was at cross purposes to what he wanted.

He should have known well in advance if she didn't want to continue her career and if he indeed forced her into doing Psych, then he didn't really love her for the small town girl she used to be, he wanted her to continue to be the hottest thing in Europe, so it's no wonder the marriage eventually fell apart.

As far as whether her career is evolving or not? That will determined by her next album. To date, in France her career has flopped. There's no sugar coating that. Her fourth album having worse results than the third. That by definition is not evolving. But if this next album does do well, and I continue to think it will, maybe then we can say her career has evolved.

[Karin]

Well if what was originally said is true, about Alizee not wanting to continue her career and Jeremy having to push her into doing Psych, you have to put the blame on the both of them for things eventually falling apart. That is what you are supposed to find out during a courtship, during that time before you get married. You are supposed to find out each others likes and dislikes and ambitions and fears.

Maybe Jeremy thought they could work together on their music careers and conquer the world. Maybe Alizee wanted to become a devoted housewife and mother, totally giving up her career and I see nothing wrong with that if it's indeed how she felt, but maybe it was at cross purposes to what he wanted.

He should have known well in advance if she didn't want to continue her career and if he indeed forced her into doing Psych, then he didn't really love her for the small town girl she used to be, he wanted her to continue to be the hottest thing in Europe, so it's no wonder the marriage eventually fell apart.

As far as whether her career is evolving or not? That will determined by her next album. To date, in France her career has flopped. There's no sugar coating that. Her fourth album having worse results than the third. That by definition is not evolving. But if this next album does do well, and I continue to think it will, maybe then we can say her career has evolved.

it easy to put fault only on her and Jeremy...

[Future Raptor Ace]

To me successful is just getting an album out the door , most artists can only dream of such . As ptwma said she isn't even really popular in Mexico as most think , heck most of the people i talk to in France when i ask if they're familiar with her are like who ? never heard of her . . .

I hate to be harsh here but I feel its the only way to make a point.
What you define as success and what is actually success are two different things and in reality only one of those matter! If an album loses money or doesn't make enough profit then the album was a failure! This is not something that is subjective or to be debated and is something that is jotted down on a singers profile so to speak when signing with new labels!

Edit:

Let's all try to keep it civil and not stoop to personal insults. Some of you really need to learn how to behave yourselves and talk calmly with others, if you can't even have a conversation about a little french singer without getting heated.. well, you must be exhausted.

Simmer down, please.
Lol Azhiri your post made me laugh .... but sadly its ture :D

Also on another note alizeefan; everyone is in it for the money to some extent! Would you take a job that does not pay you? How you could live, eat, and support your family? You want a job that will do all that plus give you enough money for a fair amount of leisure! The expression of not being in it for the money does not mean what it literally says but it means having less of a concern for money than most! Anyone who says they dont care about money either has too much of it or is full of crap!

[Scruffydog777]

it easy to put fault only on her and Jeremy...

Well who else do we put the blame on, is it the French people's fault.


Are they too stupid to recognize a good song when they hear one?

She showed up on stage with a very plain dress, where with En Concert, she showed up in a truely beautiful designer made dress. Do you think maybe she could have said with Psych, I think we need a better outfit? Do you think she said, maybe I should do some dancing?

No............don't blame the failure of Psych on anyone but her.

[Future Raptor Ace]

Well who else do we put the blame on, is it the French people's fault.


Are they too stupid to recognize a good song when they hear one?

She showed up on stage with a very plain dress, where with En Concert, she showed up in a truely beautiful designer made dress. Do you think maybe she could have said with Psych, I think we need a better outfit? Do you think she said, maybe I should do some dancing?

No............don't blame the failure of Psych on anyone but her.
Scruffy there are a lot of things you are not considering; there is a lot of people Alizee included who the blame should be placed upon ... but to just say Alizee is foolish! Truth be told the main cause for blame I think was marketing and to my knowledge that was something Alizee was not in charge of!

[Euphoria]

Your English comprehension is the only awful i can gather .

Yes, I am obviously the one who doesn't understand English. Sorry, but I just can't take you seriously with that grammar, it takes me too long to figure out what you're trying to say.

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

Let's all try to keep it civil and not stoop to personal insults. Some of you really need to learn how to behave yourselves and talk calmly with others, if you can't even have a conversation about a little french singer without getting heated.. well, you must be exhausted.

Simmer down, please.

I am just ignoring this thread altogether.

[Panther]

Well who else do we put the blame on, is it the French people's fault.



Well, you can't rule it out as a factor I'm afraid ... I have seen plenty of discussions about the French music-buying public turning their collective back on Alizee following the split with MF & LB due to loyalty to Mylene. Judging by the vitriol directed at Alizee that you can still see on Mylene's fan-forums I'd say that this was a very plausible explanation.

Having said all that, Psyches is my least favourite of her albums. That doesn't make it a 'bad' or 'lame' album. It just means I don't rate it much.

[Scruffydog777]

There are a lot of people in France who are not Mylene Farmer fans and they didn't buy the album either, because it just wasn't that good.

[Panther]

There are a lot of people in France who are not Mylene Farmer fans and they didn't buy the album either, because it just wasn't that good.

Is that a fact? I'd be very interested to see the research that you carried out in order to test and confirm each of those three contentions and arrive at that conclusion. Can you show me it? - or is this yet another one of your sweeping generalisations based entirely on unsubstantiated conjecture?

Fact: Psyches didn't sell as well in France as Alizee's first two studio albums.

Opinion: all the guesses as to why it didn't sell as well proffered by people who cannot actually know, for certain, what the real reasons were.

Can you see the difference here?

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

Is that a fact? I'd be very interested to see the research that you carried out in order to test and confirm each of those three contentions and arrive at that conclusion. Can you show me it? - or is this yet another one of your sweeping generalisations based entirely on unsubstantiated conjecture?

Fact: Psyches didn't sell as well in France as Alizee's first two studio albums.

Opinion: all the guesses as to why it didn't sell as well proffered by people who cannot actually know, for certain, what the real reasons were.

Can you see the difference here?

I fail to see the difference.

[Rev]

I am just ignoring this thread altogether.


What thread? :)

[melovelily]

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:p

[lefty12357]

Each album Alizée put out sold less than the previous one. It has been a downward trajectory since the first album. MF/LB, Alizée and “Moi, Lolita” converged at one point in time to create the perfect storm. Such things can’t be predetermined with any assurance nor easily repeated. Alizée was very fortunate to be a part of something like “Moi, Lolita” that became so big. But many, many artists see their popularity fall off after an initial big success. That’s the nature of the industry she is in. Even if Alizée did everything that everybody believes to be the right things to do, she may still have lost popularity and sales.

Alizée’s long break, getting married, becoming a mother, leaving MF/LB, lack of a solid promotion for the last 2 albums, canceled concerts, fired managers and a host of other smaller details are also play some part in it. Add to all this that much of France had forgotten about her and didn’t seem interested in hearing from her again. And how many French people got a chance to hear songs from her last 2 albums? The radio stations gave her little to no airtime. So she has also had to deal with a mindset that sees her as a has-been. And during the whole time, the record industry had been slipping as a whole. It is a complex set of circumstances over a decade of time that have determined Alizée's current situation.

Personally, I like Psych and in my opinion PLP is one of the best songs Alizée ever did. But how many people in France ever got to hear it? And it’s really easy with hindsight to say she should have done this or that at a particular juncture, but she and her team didn’t have the luxury of knowing the future.

If the stars align for her and she ends up with the right team, the right songs and arrangements, the right promo and a receptive audience, she can have success again. But that’s a lot of “ifs”. The question in my mind is, how much does she really want success and how much work is she willing to do for it? In the end, I guess I would call Alizée a success if she meets or exceeds the goals she has set for herself. But her idea of success may not meet the threshold of what the average person considers a success for a career in music. Let's just hope it meets the expectations of her record company.

[User22]

Very nice post to read Lefty. I hopeAlizée is happy with the track she is on now. And things are looking better for October 1st than they did for UEDS, since more boxes have been sold than last time (that we know of)

[lefty12357]

Thanks Aaron. I have hopes for the new album. I'm not expecting a huge hit, but I'm hoping for a move in the positive direction. :)

[Ray4AJ]

In the end, I guess I would call Alizée a success if she meets or exceeds the goals she has set for herself.

Yes Lefty, nice post. I've been thinking about this stuff all day, and reading posts, and thinking some more. I've given people advice before. Sometimes they asked for it and sometimes they didn't. Sometimes they listened, and sometimes they didn't. But it was always about things or people I was familiar with. I don't know anything about the music business or what Alizée thinks or wants, and I have no real idea about what went on behind the scenes during her career up until now. So I'm going to adopt for myself what I quoted from Lefty, which I think is where I was heading anyway.

[Un-rêve]

It's always the early stuff that fans like most.. well it's nothing new, many artists are in the same predicament as our beloved Alizée.

[Ali]

Let's face it, I talked to someone from France while in College after Psych. came out and he indicated that she is not popular in France anymore (if at all). I think she got a descent amount of promotion for her Psych album, even heard the promotions about her album when listening to NRJ. With her last album not so much.

Frankly, I thought her Psych album was okay and her last album I disliked. I think the cause of her decline was because of her collaboration with Jeremy and her new set of musicians.

I think her biggest mistake was hooking up with Jeremy (music wise) and her then set of musicians. I would love to see LB get back and assist her b\c I think he knows how to make great music that are hits but that is only a pipe dream. I just hope that her new album is a hit and is a much bigger success than Psych and her last one. If not I think her music career will be slowly going on the way side.

Oh well...at least we will have great memories of her from her heydays. (sighs)

[Jordy]

Each album Alizée put out sold less than the previous one. It has been a downward trajectory since the first album. MF/LB, Alizée and “Moi, Lolita” converged at one point in time to create the perfect storm. Such things can’t be predetermined with any assurance nor easily repeated. Alizée was very fortunate to be a part of something like “Moi, Lolita” that became so big. But many, many artists see their popularity fall off after an initial big success. That’s the nature of the industry she is in. Even if Alizée did everything that everybody believes to be the right things to do, she may still have lost popularity and sales.

Alizée’s long break, getting married, becoming a mother, leaving MF/LB, lack of a solid promotion for the last 2 albums, canceled concerts, fired managers and a host of other smaller details are also play some part in it. Add to all this that much of France had forgotten about her and didn’t seem interested in hearing from her again. And how many French people got a chance to hear songs from her last 2 albums? The radio stations gave her little to no airtime. So she has also had to deal with a mindset that sees her as a has-been. And during the whole time, the record industry had been slipping as a whole. It is a complex set of circumstances over a decade of time that have determined Alizée's current situation.

Personally, I like Psych and in my opinion PLP is one of the best songs Alizée ever did. But how many people in France ever got to hear it? And it’s really easy with hindsight to say she should have done this or that at a particular juncture, but she and her team didn’t have the luxury of knowing the future.

If the stars align for her and she ends up with the right team, the right songs and arrangements, the right promo and a receptive audience, she can have success again. But that’s a lot of “ifs”. The question in my mind is, how much does she really want success and how much work is she willing to do for it? In the end, I guess I would call Alizée a success if she meets or exceeds the goals she has set for herself. But her idea of success may not meet the threshold of what the average person considers a success for a career in music. Let's just hope it meets the expectations of her record company.

Very good post Lefty, probably the best and most peaceful résumé of what happened in past 12 years.

[Bigdan]

what went wrong ?


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[Taxi Driver Aaron]

What thread? :)

The thread that I'm ignoring.

[mzracing76]

I do believe this, when she was with MF-LB, she was playing a roll. You can see (could see it) within her body language, appearance, and behavior. When really reasearch her past, present, future - you can really tell she is a very shy, quiet, low profile person. Exactly what I have to love about her. She didnt take up music/singing until a late age of 16-20, while performing other interests such as dancing. I look at Alizee as a very well raised kid turned adult, good grades in school, and a person who sang as a hobby and less of for a career. I truely believe she got her degree in Information Technolgy cause she wants a career in that field, and that the music career is a offshoot off that. So, she does not need the Music, Albums, Clout thats goes with being a pop star.

Alizee is most definately the real deal when you her life in total perspective. I love her the way she is, with all her tattoos, and the way she present herself.

Thanks,
MZ

[ALS]

I think her biggest mistake was hooking up with Jeremy (music wise) and her then set of musicians.

BINGO we have a winner. Also getting married on a whim at the top of your popularity does help either. Her fans were not happy with her choice of a husband.

This also applies to Music,

Hire a teenage while "he" still knows everything.

[Vike]

I think that the lawsuit that Alizee and Jeremy won against the magazine that invaded their privacy got a big reaction from the French press. They blackballed her ever since. Then there are all the other reasons covered fairly well in these discussions.

If the fans want to know the facts, why don't they create a fund to hire a couple of good investigators to answer a few specific questions that people are guessing at. It might eliminate some of the crazy ideas that are floating around and set the record straight.

[SpanishFan]

No offence, but this is getting a little bit silly... Blaming Jeremy, MF...
Come on, it is a bit lame... Amy Winehouse was doing alcohol, drugs, tattoos and "husband fighting" 24/7, and she was putting music on the shelves...
Michael Jackson was singing like an angel while his father...well...
Freddy Mercury writing music while he was dying...
Not trying to compare her to great artists to make her look small, I just think that when a musician has personal problems, they don't go into a hiatus... they normally make more music and write about that..

So the only thing to blame is her ambition. She put her musical career at least in third position after her daughter and after her marriage. If she had the desire, music would be first thing in her life at the time. She did not feel her career was the most or even the second more important thing back then, and that is very fair and I can understand it, but is was her choice.

[vivealizee]

Agreed.
Her personal problems we know or think to see behind the surface aren't extraordinary, nothing which breaks you.

She is just a typical short time pop artist, there are soooo many of them!

I wouldn't blame MF, because without her she wouldn't have any music career, still MF is a bitch for the lyrics and the dresses she chooses for a 16-year-old, imho.
And jeremy? They loved each other truly I believe and many people divorce and get over it and I don't think he had bad musical influence on her either. She wasn't his savage.

[Karlalizee]

While visiting realitives in Venezuela, I was approached by a modeling agency that offered me a job posing for their website. I told them I didn't want to go totally nude or even topless so I posed in bikinis, lingerie and underwear. The closest I came to topless was handbras (top off but covered with my hands). The job paid well until I was told by the owners that subscriptions were slipping and the only way I could boost sales was to pose nude. When I refused, they suggested I least go topless and I reluctantly agreed. The website owners kept pushing me into go totally nude and I kept refusing. They finally fired me, to which I was thankful since I signed a contract and I was finally freed from them. They still own the website and they still have me as 18 years old. lol

The smartest thing I did was to hire an accountant to handle my money at the beginning of my career. Through investments and CD accounts, I was able to save quite a bit of money. I bought a beauty salon, an apartment complex in Caracas and signed a modeling contract with DarienX. They do shoots for fashion modeling, bikini.com and runway modeling. As I look back, my only regret was to go topless. I am not ashamed of my body but feel I did what I had to do.

Like Alizee, I made decisions. Some good some bad. I went from being one of the most recognized adult website models to a face in the crowd. But that was my choice. I knew at the very beginning that my modeling career would not last so, instead of fighting it, I prepared for it. Today I stay busy between my businesses and modeling. I still fly back home to Texas every chance I get to see freinds and family. I like my life! :)

[ALS]

Karla good for you for standing up for yourself. Too many people let others push them in a direction that isn't in their best interest. I'm glad you took a stand and drew a line in the sand of your limits of what you were willing to show skin wise for your modeling career. Too many women end up regretting their nude modeling fifteen or twenty years down the road. You will never regret standing your ground and be happy they fired you for having personal standards. Too many woman in your situation would have taken it all off and remember everything on the Internet is there forever.

[ptjmwa]

I am just ignoring this thread altogether.

Is this too much for you??!? haha.

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

Is this too much for you??!? haha.

pretty much... I don't like this topic.

[Euphoria]

The thread that I'm ignoring.
"Superstition, idolatry and hypocrisy have ample wages, but the truth goes begging." - Martin Luther

[Azhiri]

pretty much... I don't like this topic.

Why, because negative stuff is being said about Alizee? It's okay, you don't have to like it but you might as well just not look at it in that case. What's the point of posting that you're ignoring a topic in the topic you're ignoring? :dontknow:

While visiting realitives in Venezuela, I was approached by a modeling agency that offered me a job posing for their website. I told them I didn't want to go totally nude or even topless so I posed in bikinis, lingerie and underwear. The closest I came to topless was handbras (top off but covered with my hands). The job paid well until I was told by the owners that subscriptions were slipping and the only way I could boost sales was to pose nude. When I refused, they suggested I least go topless and I reluctantly agreed. The website owners kept pushing me into go totally nude and I kept refusing. They finally fired me, to which I was thankful since I signed a contract and I was finally freed from them. They still own the website and they still have me as 18 years old. lol

The smartest thing I did was to hire an accountant to handle my money at the beginning of my career. Through investments and CD accounts, I was able to save quite a bit of money. I bought a beauty salon, an apartment complex in Caracas and signed a modeling contract with DarienX. They do shoots for fashion modeling, bikini.com and runway modeling. As I look back, my only regret was to go topless. I am not ashamed of my body but feel I did what I had to do.

Like Alizee, I made decisions. Some good some bad. I went from being one of the most recognized adult website models to a face in the crowd. But that was my choice. I knew at the very beginning that my modeling career would not last so, instead of fighting it, I prepared for it. Today I stay busy between my businesses and modeling. I still fly back home to Texas every chance I get to see freinds and family. I like my life! :)

I'm so proud of you. :wub:


As far as who to blame for the albums flopping, it's a lot more complex than just pointing the finger at her or her manager. No matter what they did, the album would be just as likely to flop as it would be to become a huge hit. You can't make people buy or even like an album.

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

Why, because negative stuff is being said about Alizee? It's okay, you don't have to like it but you might as well just not look at it in that case. What's the point of posting that you're ignoring a topic in the topic you're ignoring? :dontknow:


My opinion gets made if I point it out, as opposed to letting it go! :)

[Future Raptor Ace]

"Superstition, idolatry and hypocrisy have ample wages, but the truth goes begging." - Martin Luther

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Stephen Hawking~
If Aaron wants to be ignorant let him!

[DrSmith]

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Stephen Hawking~

I like that one. :2_thumbs:

[Taxi Driver Aaron]

"Superstition, idolatry and hypocrisy have ample wages, but the truth goes begging." - Martin Luther

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Stephen Hawking~

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[Rev]

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” - Stephen Hawking~
If Aaron wants to be ignorant let him!

Good one. :)


"If, after 4 years of college, we have taught you to realize what you don't know then we will have done our jobs, for once you realize that you don't know something you will seek out the needed information." [approximate] - Dr. John Fisher - (to a group of engineering students at beginning of 4th year)

[wildfire]

I think whats not mentioned is how the music industry changed from 2003 to now. The internet, and especially youtube really did a number in sales of music. The monopoly of selling people little plastic disks as the only means of selling music was gone. It was beyond the original napster because you didn't have to learn how to download or have it on your own computer. You could stream it like you did cute cat videos! ITs taken this long for the music industry to adjust. Near me here in Los Angeles are shattered shipwrecks of the music industry; empty office buildings, gutted local businesses from restaurants to laundry-mats, Record stores gone.

If you look at the music industries today, its divided: the large mega starts with a lot of money behind them, and then artist who have their own labels and internet presence. That chasm in between was transformed. You need the kind of muscle like ML and LB to push your music out there, make the deals with the radio stations, the promotions.

Plus lets face it: we wanted the Sexy-zée... the dancing, twirling, the hip thrusting. It was part of her appeal that she could go up there and be so alluring and then sit with the host and be a real kid. She was so tasteful, she had an almost 60's kind fo sexiness to her, as opposed to the raunch you see usually in female pop starts. I mean she wore a potato sack for En Concert... but she owned it! .

If you look at her performance of her third and fourth album, she was very stiff, almost uncomfortable. The fluidity that she had in her first two albums, especially the second, was gone. There seemed a lot going on in her life that affected her footing. Personally I thought she had a bit of an arrested look at life and love because of her unique teenage years. She grew up fast and perhaps tried to have the people in her life adhere to her steadfast dedication and beliefs. That often happens in your twenties. And she's stubborn, she admits that. Plus her and Jer were two very young and very successful at that time. Thats a lot of pressure.

I think she had a drastic change in her life this past year. I recall when she tweeted that letter she dug up in her old place from MF from her youth. It was an unusually intimate thing to share. I think she was assessing her life from the shipwrecked marriage behind her. Then the daily tweets started and the tattoos.. see the pattern?

I think this will be an album she's much more comfortable with. she's had some pain in her life and that just adds to an artist. The candy coated Psyk album was kind of her last grasp of that utopian fantasy that she held on to for so long. I hope the new Alizee doesn't spiral the way many artist do when they go through such a tectonic change. I always thought that her superstitions and beliefs held her in check, but that may have been challenged in her life if she felt that she did the right things, and still had something bad happen to her. When your beliefs are challenged like that, even proven wrong, its like a pipe bursting. I've seen it from people who were former Mormons or other religions that seem to leap to a whole extreme once "freed" from their beliefs. Thats what I see in that explosion of activity from her.

...anyway...

Point is that many artist from many industries are rolling on their own because they want to control the content and the message. They may not sell as much but now there is no middle man. Plus they have their sanity, retain full use of their image, and have perhaps different streams of income. Its never been that you've had so many toolsets at your disposal to promote yourself. You can find your own customer base or audience if you work hard and have something that people want...

Oh jezuz.... i better quit before I get head... I mean ahead of myself! :)))

[SpanishFan]

The Inked photo shoot is pretty insignificant when taken on its own, but more generally speaking, I would say there is a clearer picture emerging more and more; Alizée seems to be immature and superficial. I always thought there was a strong deeper person behind the physical beauty, but maybe this was misreading her career moves. Maybe Alizée is indeed simply interested in tattoos, pets, shopping, food, candies, childish entertainment... Maybe most of her fans like these sorts of topics, but I myself find them mortally boring. I had great hopes after a more mature Alizée showed up for UEDS, but now, I would say Alizée is either really shallow and uninteresting, or she is really hiding well the more mature and deep side of her.


Sadly I have to agree... After months and months discussing about her tattoos, her clothes, pets, hairstyles, food, shopping, holidays, dancerman, Pokora, etc... I think doing gigs and fighting for the possibility of going on tour, fill venues, and perform her music in front of people is not a priority, like it is for 99% of artists and musicians... It looks like she is just happy with what she does in Les Enfoires.

I don't mind at all to talk about all those things, but all that should go along with a "normal" musical career.

If you look any other artist forum, there are tour dates, news about music releases, online shop, people covering the artist songs themselves... MUSIC.
I don't even know if she has an agent. It is sad for me to know the name of her pets or the name of her favorite shoe designer, I would rather like to know about how many songs there will be on the album and where she would like to perform it when is out.

[Un-rêve]

I'm sure there's many angles to the situation but lets just try to find the good in it. I mean Alizée is still here with us and in my book that's what matters most. We've already been spoilt rotten. :)

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You don't know how hard I just laughed :D

[mzracing76]

I believe the real Alizee we saw live in concert was actually her very first one she did on that Talent Show way back at age 15. That was the real Alizee, One who wanted to sing only to make people happy, not make it a career move. Yes, she enjoyed her time making those first 2 albums, but she didnt like the image it presented, and yes, her parents probally played a role in her decisions. For one, it is your parents who groom you, shape you, and mold you into the person you become. Alizee doesnt seem to be the type that wants to be famous to the extent that the Media Popparazzi followers her.

Remember, this is a woman who has a college degree in Information Tech, and one who has a very high moral belief in a family structure.

If you all are "true" Alizee fans, then you all will remember that in some of her very first early interviews she has stated publically that likes very quiet atmosphere, spending time with family, and loves top sing to make people happy, not necessarly making "hit" albums much less songs.

Alizee is a very easy, down to earth, quiet person. She relishes her quiet time, and family time more than spending all that free time with the Media.

the Bottom Line - Alizee has alot in common with Connie Talbot (England). They love making music, but on a totally different platform. One that makes them happy by securing a part time music career, making albums of their choice, and performing small concerts here and there. Both of them cherish their family time, and other life goals. Connie is only 12 years old, but already, Do I see the same qualities of her Life, Music, and Choices that we all once saw in Alizee at almost the same time of her life. Alizee and Connie's careers will almost certainly mirror each other. Why? Because they love to write, single for the one common goal - To make you happy. And when that happens, it dont matter to them how many Great Songs/Albums they create. The only goal is to make you happy. Less you forget, each singer has fans in the POP, ROCK, and OTHER sectors of music. Alizee has fans that like her Electrica Style, as Connie has fans who like her Gospel Style. <FACT> and that leads to a totally diverse fanbase, and one that not all of us will agree on.

None of you will never understand the real Alizee if all you want are the HIT SINGLES, PLATINUM LABELS, or you live in that Fantasy Myth that she is a god of the Entertainment World.

Her Life Goal seems to be her Daughter Annily -

ThankYou,
MZ

[lefty12357]

Remember, this is a woman who has a college degree in Information Tech, and one who has a very high moral belief in a family structure.

Just a small correction, Alizée doesn't have a college degree. Furthermore, I believe she never completed high school. I think she said in an interview once that if she hadn't gone into the music industry, she would have liked to teach dance or work with computers. Not that any of this matters, I just thought I should set the record straight.

[SpanishFan]

If you all are "true" Alizee fans, then you all will remember that in some of her very first early interviews she has stated publically that likes very quiet atmosphere, spending time with family, and loves top sing to make people happy, not necessarly making "hit" albums much less songs.



Ok, I totally agree with you, but my question remains. Why does not she perform live anymore?
All this talk about not wanting big fame, flashes and celebrity may be true, but at the end of the day she does not perform at all. She is a singer, she should be dying to be in front of a good audience any day of the year...
I don't even know who Connie Talbot is but I would bet my left hand that she is asked to sing a capella a litlle bit in some of her interviews and I am sure she does that with no problem.

DJ sets? I can not take that very serious. Why does not she perform instead a mini acoustic set in a discoteque or some small local? One could think she would be confortable singing five or six songs in that intimate ambient.

I don't get why she spins some cd's and take photographs with customers but she does not sing anymore. That's my only problem. For me is not really important if she gets covered on tattoos, if she has talent or not, or if she looks better or worse on certain photoshoot.

She is not singing anymore, she is not performing live anymore, and that is what really bothers me. I don't want to change her personality, the way she thinks or the way she feels, all I am doing is complaining about an apparent lack of ambition and how I feel about that.
I am not a control freak nor I would start burning her cds, it is not like that, but is becoming really difficult to follow a singer that does not sing...

It will be great if her album is succesful and we like it, but for me is all about her performing songs, hopefully there will be good news after the album release.

[Karin]

Why does not she perform live anymore?

if you mean live... like performances in many shows as in MF era... I think its problem of time... world changed, and people and TV dont need to make such show now like was normal later... todays world is most about internet, and most things are happening there now, and not in TV like before

[SpanishFan]

if you mean live... like performances in many shows as in MF era... I think its problem of time... world changed, and people and TV dont need to make such show now like was normal later... todays world is most about internet, and most things are happening there now, and not in TV like before

Yes... a lot of music shows do not exist anymore on tv. Anyway, artists sing online as special treat for their fans, you always can do a mini gig instead of putting songs and pressing buttons... even youtube offers live performances very often.
If you really want to perform, there is always a way to do it. And she still has fans and a big company behind to go out there and sing. I really can not understand any excuses about this lack of singing. It is only Les Enfoires at this point.

Anyway as I said, hopefully the new album would bring to the fans some action.

[Davedel]

Alizee made the classic business mistake - selling what she wanted to sell and not what the customer wanted to buy. Seen it happen many times.. for example, when Ginger Spice left the Spice Girls they collapsed. Where is Ginger now? A second rate singer who would have been much better off if she wouldn't have left. You never hear about Ginger or any of the rest of them anymore here in the United States, except for Mrs. Beckham. Mylene was having Alizee sell what the public wanted to buy, but Alizee thought she knew better. As usual with these sorts of matters.. she didn't.

[mzracing76]

this is the classic old story of - what the people like to hear isnt always what the performer likes to sing. The question we all should be asking - "What kind of music does Alizee really enjoy?" - when we finally can answer this, then we know the real Alizee.

I for one, enjoy listening to Alizee's slow melodies rather than the trendy, pop'ish style melodies. I enjoy the "easy listening" music cause its very down to earth.

Alizee is not the first performer to switch styles - several american pop/rock performers have switched to Country Music cause it fits their tastes.

Alizee does not resemble a person that wants all the attention, she doesnt need to perform concerts to make her money. she seems very content with her small select fanbase, and cherishes her "family" time.

The older you get the more conservative your tastes become, the older you get, the more you like to hear slower, romantic, easy listening songs.

Enjoy the new Album

[SpanishFan]

I agree with all you said mz, but that is the "half full bottle" point of view. Saying that she is happy not going out on tour, changing to a more melodic style, not having big fame, etc... may be true, but then we would be implying that, if she wanted, she could go out on tour, fill venues and be in the spotlight again. And that is not the case. She is not choosing this path in her career, she is making the most of it and enjoying it, which is great, but imho she would enjoy exactly the same her life (or even more) if her albums would sell better and her number or fans would be double in number.

Not that that is important or make a big difference, just was my opinion on her career at this point. She could be happy and proud even if tomorrow she decides to work in a farm for the rest of her life, but some of us are still interested on her musical career, past and present. Of course, I also understand the point of view of people who thinks that as long as she is happy, it does not matter what she does or what she sings.

[Un-rêve]

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[Shepherd]

If Alizee got married or pregnant, what are the chances she would announce that? When she got pregnant the first time, did she make it public or did she disappear until it became apparent? Is it possible she stepped out of the public's view because she is pregnant?

[Paybays]

Shepherd necro this post, but I'll continue

Back in the day that she was pregnant she didn't want to share her private life with the fans and the tabloids. I don't know for how long you've been a fan of Alizée, but in the Gourmandises and MCE days she tried to avoid tabloids. Hell, she even flipped her MIDDLE FINGER to the press because they stalked her.

Right now she wants to share her life, because she knows she will have more grip on what's coming out and what's not.

[Scruffydog777]

I'm guessing at this and not trying to say this is the way it was, but I think her aloofness with the media and maybe with the fans, was something instilled in her by MF.

Of course she became more communicative with the fans when she came back, something she absolutely had to do, but I think during her troubles with Jeremy and with the separation that followed, I think her fans became an important part of her life.

[comjoz]

I'm guessing at this and not trying to say this is the way it was, but I think her aloofness with the media and maybe with the fans, was something instilled in her by MF.

Of course she became more communicative with the fans when she came back, something she absolutely had to do, but I think during her troubles with Jeremy and with the separation that followed, I think her fans became an important part of her life.

I think it's not that. A lot of times in interviews she described herself as a reserved and shy person, and likewise MF. I think aloofness with the media in the past comes from that.

[Shepherd]

I think we are dealing with more than an aloofness from the press or a shyness. Alizee has disappeared from view altogether. It's hard to believe that she can't find work. My question is, Has she stopped looking? When she had Annily, I understand she dropped out of view for three years. Are we experiencing a repeat of that situation?

[ALS]

She made more than a few mistakes over the ten years. Marrying Jeremy was her first. Second she used friends and family to write and produce her next two albums after MF and LB. Lastly she covered her arms with butt ugly tattoos.

She can fix this and give her career a bump but I doubt she has the drive to do it. If she really cared about her career she would have never plastered her arms with tattoos.

If Alizée wants to be relevant again, she has the talent, be in singing, dancing and her new endeavor acting, she can do it. The problem is until Alizée comes into reality and realizes that her tattooed arms are holding her back, she will continue to fall short of her career goals.

[Scruffydog777]

I agree Jeremy was her first mistake. Not getting the professional help with her albums was another good sized one. The tats as far as her career was concerned were a mistake for sure, but back even in her blond days which was another less than brilliant direction to go in, there were a series of photos that came out where a lot of us commented on how good she looked and the reason she looked good was because the tats were covered up so while they are a mistake career wise. There are ways around them, but you look at some of the outfits she chose when she was promoting Blonde and you have to really wonder what is going through her head. Nothing but poor choices year after year.

In this translation project I'm doing, she was practicing for one of her dances and she stopped and complained that she didn't was tired of doing the type of moves that she had been noted for, for 13 years. She has no concept of what people want to see on stage. A lot that helps with success on stage, beyond good music is looks. Her music hasn't been that good which isn't helped by the fact she "apparently" hasn't taken a singing lesson since leaving MF, but if she could find a way to put beauty (not vulgarity ala MF) back into her routines, I'm sure not of success, but certainly much bigger appeal than she's had since she went out on her own. She's had zero stage appeal since leaving MF in my opinion.

If there's a lack of communication from her now, I think it's because she's looking for a direction to go in and can't find one. She realizes this is the time she should be back at work and if she keeps posting pictures from around Ajaccio, fans will realize there is no work.

But I still have faith in her. I think she is trying; she is looking. It may take a while and she may come up empty and have to settle for something closer to home, but I don't think it will be do to lack of effort.

Hopefully another album is possible. But you have to wonder if the music or maybe more likely the singing isn't top notch, is she willing to use her remaining beauty (with the tats covered up) and dancing ability to it's best advantage.

I thought with a woman like this, they should've come up with 2 or 3 videos for Blonde. A good video can rescue a song that isn't top notch as many of hers are. But with such poor management, it probably wouldn't have mattered. A new album needs to have someone who knows what they are doing, who has complete say over what goes on and no input from her. Less than that and you can just lump in the next album with all "her" other ones.

[Lucas]

She is not trying, she is not looking... she lost the last drops of music interest after DALS4. Blonde was just a chance for her (and Sony) how to make some money from her singing thanks her winning in DALS4, but thats all. They promised again collector box, remixes, mega tour and other things, but nothing happened... I think she and Sony already burried the album before its release...

We can talk her past 4 albums are nothing, but still I saw more enthusiasm in Psyche, UEDS and Cinq than by Blonde. Blonde is/was like a game when I choose cards and wait if I will win or not, but thats all...

[Paybays]

You guys are digging very deep into her career and music, and me as an outsider can't really talk about that.

I do notice the diferences between the first 2 albums and the last 3, but I have no clue who all the people are who she calaborated with. It came quite as a shock to hear she left MF and LB to start on her own. She wanted to discover her own music and sound and didn't want to stick along to much with all the succes of her first 2 albums. Despite how much I like the simplicity of some of her songs, and you can tell me I have bad taste, I do see the decline of her music career.

Her tattoo's, to be quite honest, don't help much with her image. To see her after beeing absent for 3-4 years full with tattoo's ruined my image of her. Yet, I stay with the piece of mind that she can do whatever she wants. There is no doubt her marriage with Mr Chatelain scared her, both in the media as in her private life.

I don't even know why I'm typing my thoughts... I haven't been around for that long to withness the new Alizée and my fond memories go back to the early days. I have no knowledge about the people she works with right now and, same as Alizée herself and the rest of the fanbase ( or what is left of it ) I'm not sure what way she should go.

Yes, maybe DALS gave her an immense boost, but that era is also long and gone and it lasted a short while. We already saw how fans of Gregory blamed Alizée for him leaving DALS, and I'm very very afraid Alizée is ( at this moment ) in a short state of depression.

[Scruffydog777]

We appreciate your thoughts Paybays and everybody else's. You don't have to follow her every day to have an opinion. None of us are experts on her. I've been following her for 8 years now and I really have no clue as what's going on upstairs with her. I usually state my views very strongly because it's what I feel is going on, but have no real way of knowing. We all state our views and just about all of them are vastly different. Many of them and maybe all of them are wrong, but at least everyone can come here to discuss them in a respectful way which in the past, seldom was the case, but we're trying to make it the case now.

[Aldighieri]

Still waiting for a serious acting career. She has got the temper.
Could be a nice way to be in the business waiting for more opportunities in music. Music in not so easy these times..

[Paybays]

I've been running along for 15 years and for the little information we got in the past Alizée has been okay under the wings of the top french selling female artist and an amazing producer of music.

Since she left the golden couple she has been trying to find her own music, and derail her populair pop-songs, now in the end she returns with her popsongs to only find out people liked her " new old " albums. I'm not a psychatric person or a doctor, but from what knowledge I have about different kinds of people, there is no mistake in the fact she is at this very moment confused in her heart and mentally.

I'm going to predict the future and see that Alizée will best of all be a mother for her child, and be a wife for her husband. I'm confused why she didn't start to give dancing lessons with Gregory, but apparantly she is taking a very big break right now from media and everything. Even tough her pictures can let us know she is doing well, behind that mask is a woman who is probably not sure if the world still needs her. She got a lot of shit over her with the Blonde Tour and I'm not really sure if Sony is going to coöperate with her. What if she is secretly sacked from Sony?

Which is sad... She has a very soft voice that I didn't hear much. I'm hoping right now she will give herself the time to recover from whatever she is dealing with mentally, and hope the fans she has that are true to her will support her and viceversa.

[Anton]

Still waiting for a serious acting career. She has got the temper.
Could be a nice way to be in the business waiting for more opportunities in music. Music in not so easy these times..

But for someone wanting to succeed in acting, tattoos are a bad idea

[Aldighieri]

But for someone wanting to succeed in acting, tattoos are a bad idea
A lot of americans first row actresses have tatoos. Scarlett also have it :D. I mean there are ways to show or to show off them..But as a lot of people here just said the issue is lilli brain, right now. What does she really want to do?

[Scruffydog777]

Well there are so many factors involved into why we like a particular singer.
For a female singer there's
her voice
her looks
her personality
the way she dances
the way she dresses
the way she appears
how sexy she is
the little extras such as the way they react to the crowd ala waves or autographs


She was at the top of every category
Beauty; a unique beauty I used to say; a natural beauty with no jewelry and little make up.
Dancing- Who could dance with the same beauty and sexiness as her?
Voice; Her voice has undergone a lot of criticism. It's been enhanced at times. But I loved it live in En Concert and there's been only a few occasions that her best voice shines through but when it does, there's no other voice I'd rather listen to
Personality; again at the top of the list. She's made mistakes at times career wise that were probably brought on by her shy nature, but when ever she's been in personal contact with her fans, you couldn't ask for a nicer woman.

There were singers who were her equal on different levels, but to me there was no one who could come close when you combined all the levels. It really was a unique experience to watch her performances. I think you add in the fact she sings in a beautiful language, well that's just another plus to add something that was already unmatchable.

In my eyes she had no equal.

You take away the beauty with tats; you take away the music and lyrics of MF and LB. You take away the great outifits and dresses that she had in the early days; you take away the dancing which she for the most part she did herself and when she did dance, it was in outfits as with Blonde promotions that made her look pudgy; well you take away all that and there isn't much left. She's down to the level of so many other singers that we could care less if they had tats.

Still the potential is there. DALS showed us the dancing is still there. There have been numerous photos taken over the years that show us when the tats are covered, the beauty still shines through. The music and the songs have been the tough part. In some of her albums, they spent too much time promoting the wrong song ala Blonde. PLP was a song that was promoted too little too late. So many mistakes. But like I said the potential is still there. She just needs someone who knows what they are doing and she hasn't had that since she left MF and LB.

There has only been one singer in my long life who's been on a level much higher than anyone else when you take in the big picture and that is Alizée and though she's not the same girl she used to be, I'd love to see her at the full potential of what she's capable of.

As far as what she wants to do. I think she has outrun the benefits that DALS brought to her. Is there an artist, not to mention a record company that wants to work with her on an album considering her recent track record? I hope so, but I'll believe it when I see it. As far as acting, she shot herself in the foot. Unfortunately, I think the only thing left, might be a dancing school in Ajaccio

[Shepherd]

I've been a fan of many female pop stars, but have never been so enchanted as I have by Alizee. It's easy to find a singer who is more attractive and has a better voice, but for me Alizee is the one with je ne sais quoi. Pop stars come and go. I rarely notice their passing, but Alizee's absence is hard to deal with. She might be happy to get away from the business or even to leave it behind, but I suspect she is mourning what appears a dead career. She may have lost confidence in her ability to please the crowd and may be confused as to what to do next. She may be hurt by all the criticisms and fault finding. Having established herself as a star we can expect to see her surface from time to time as a guest on this or that TV show, but over all, I think the party's ended. I regret having discovered her so late in the game.

[Scruffydog777]

Here's an example of one of the mistakes I think she made. I put together this video for the song K.O. It's a great song; the best song of the album Blonde imho. Yet she never sang it once to promote the album! And in this video you get a good glimpse of what should have been. That outfit I'm quite sure is a designer outfit that MF probably paid good money for, but it's not that complicated an outfit. The thing is she looked good in it and one of the reasons she looked good in it was there were no tats to spoil the view!

Now she can still look very good on stage if she wears long sleeve outfits, but she just doesn't get it.

This song I think is also one that would've made for a great video. It was about boxing Muhammad Ali and with her kick boxing ability it was a no brainer. Yet the quality of this song along with the potential of a video was totally lost with her because the only thing she is good at as far as managing her career is running it into the ground. She is her own worst enemy in that regard and until she finds a good manager, another album would probably be just more of the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGpl8Y_kiCE&feature=youtu.be

[ALS]

Shepard you're right. It is so frustrating to watch Alizée from a far, and all you want to do is walk up to her and shake her and say, "what in the hell are you doing". It's like the teacher that becomes totally frustrated with an extremely talented student who won't even try to work to their full potential.

I'm hoping Gregoire's tough love snub by DALS will wake her up to the realities of being an adult, where immature actions have severe consequences.

[Shepherd]

The latest photos from Disneyland show her working. Thank god for that.

[Rev]

Very much agreed. :) :)