A sad possibility: going nuts about Alizée 60 years after she ends her career

[Marka]

I thought about this today... Let's imagine that Alizée makes 5th (and hopefully 6th or even 7th) album, but then decides to stop... and after some time, we all more or less forget about her.

Now lets imagine that after some 60 or so years somebody remembers her and once again goes nuts about her... just, there is no youtube or anything of that kind, there is no Alizée stuff left to be found on the internet anymore (perhaps there is no more internet as we know it as humankind is in a horrific state, or perhaps no one bothered to transfer Lili's content to new services), except for perhaps some remarks in old wikipedia articles and some other stuff scattered throughout the basements of her ex-fans, most of them already dead...

What would you do, if you were this person?

Edit:

About myself, I think that my experience of it would be kind of similar to my experience prior to last year... you only remember certain bits and pieces (and something that I`ve come to call "Boutonnat`s harmony), but nothing in particular... the state of being left with distant memories of something that you cannot experience anymore...

I think that if my health would allow me to do such things (at the age 80+), I would embark on perhaps the last voyage of my life... and travel to Corsica and try to find out what happened to her. After all, I was struck by Alizée-ish music at the age of 10... Moi-Lolita was a trigger of something Alizée-ish (and Boutonnat-ish) deep within me and that would have been the perfect conclusion for my life.

Yes, I know, I am nuts, deviant, everything, thinking about such distant future and death at my age, but that is who I am, and there is nothing wrong with it. Perhaps such thinking does not cause one to be Alizée-ish, but being Alizée-ish certanly makes me think about such matters in a beautiful and child-like way.

Sorry, I do not know how to really express myself, but try to imagine hearing this after 60 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Si0mfPKhoH8

[BrianO1]

I have thought about this same thing myself.

I would assume that it would be much the same as someone who discovers say, The Beatles today. It would be a sweet and sour kind of thing. On one hand, you find an amazing artist who moves you, but on the other, they may no longer be creating new stuff, or even alive.

I myself and many others here, have had a sort of experience like this already. We find out about Lili now, and look back at all we have missed, and there is a sense of sadness there. Sure, Lili is doing a lot these days to keep in touch, like her twitter and Instagram, but to be a fan back in the days where so many knew her, and loved her....it's something I often wonder what it would have felt like. So many interviews and performances...we get super happy over a few photos every week...imagine being around when she was PERFORMING multiple times a week.


That's why I consider myself so lucky to have found her when I did. Yes, I missed out on the early years, but at least I have been here during her active years. 10 plus years from now, someone my age may discover her, only to see that she has retired and moved to the country with her husband BrianO1 (I can dream), and would be so disappointed.


At least we can say we were part of all of it. Some have been here longer the others, but we are ALL part of the Alizée story. When that story does come to a close, it will still be kept alive in all of us.

I myself honestly look forward to the day when I'm 80 somthin years old, and my grandchild, after digging through all of my old stuff looking for some cool "antiques" comes to me with a piece of Lili memorabilia and asks "grandpa, who is this?" And I am able to sit them down and reply...

"Let me tell you the story of "l'ange de la Corse".




Ok I'm rambling......I need sleep!

[Marka]

I myself honestly look forward to the day when I'm 80 somthin years old, and my grandchild, after digging through all of my old stuff looking for some cool "antiques" comes to me with a piece of Lili memorabilia and asks "grandpa, who is this?" And I am able to sit them down and reply "Let me tell you the story of "l'ange de la Corse".

Ok I'm rambling......I need sleep!

Great rambling there! I am not totally sure I want to have kids, but I might just change my mind, just for the sake of telling my grandchildren about her... :poink: :wub:

[Merci Alizée]

I think I already had that type of experience.

[Marka]

I think I already had that type of experience.

Huh? Would you care to explain? :coffee:

[Azhiri]

THIS IS ALL MY OPINION GUIZE DON'T GET MAD OR OFFENDED PLZ

I think there will be traces of Alizee on the internet forever, but then again, a lot of things can change in 60 years.

That being said, 60 years from now the majority of us will be in the 80-90-ish region (76 in my case, I'm gonna outlive all you guys). I think in the context of all the things one encounters over the course of their lives, the humbling experiences, and the perspective gained about what "really matters" in life... to have that infatuation take over again would be a bit unlikely. I would think that during that 60 years, we would all have found the love of our life (and if not, we've thought we did), had children, if we're so inclined, seen a lot of things and known a lot of people. After that entire journey, a french singer from 60 years ago would just feel like a distant dream. She would be a speck of time in your life during which you fell in love and obsessed over that love, then outgrew it as the years stretched on. Hopefully nobody gets offended when I say this, I understand that a lot of us here feel that Alizee changed or even saved our lives, and indeed she did in some cases - perhaps those people will always remember her. The rest of us who were or are just sort of infatuated with her, those are the ones I'm referring to when I say all this. We all move on, even if we like to think that we'll carry certain things or weights on our hearts forever.

I also rambled a lot :X

TL;DR I think by the time we've reached the ripe old age of -your age here +60-, other stuff will matter too much for us to bother obsessing over one person anymore. :)

[Marka]

THIS IS ALL MY OPINION GUIZE DON'T GET MAD OR OFFENDED PLZ

I think there will be traces of Alizee on the internet forever, but then again, a lot of things can change in 60 years.

That being said, 60 years from now the majority of us will be in the 80-90-ish region (76 in my case, I'm gonna outlive all you guys). I think in the context of all the things one encounters over the course of their lives, the humbling experiences, and the perspective gained about what "really matters" in life... to have that infatuation take over again would be a bit unlikely. I would think that during that 60 years, we would all have found the love of our life (and if not, we've thought we did), had children, if we're so inclined, seen a lot of things and known a lot of people. After that entire journey, a french singer from 60 years ago would just feel like a distant dream. She would be a speck of time in your life during which you fell in love and obsessed over that love, then outgrew it as the years stretched on. Hopefully nobody gets offended when I say this, I understand that a lot of us here feel that Alizee changed or even saved our lives, and indeed she did in some cases - perhaps those people will always remember her. The rest of us who were or are just sort of infatuated with her, those are the ones I'm referring to when I say all this. We all move on, even if we like to think that we'll carry certain things or weights on our hearts forever.

I also rambled a lot :X

TL;DR I think by the time we've reached the ripe old age of -your age here +60-, other stuff will matter too much for us to bother obsessing over one person anymore. :)

You certainly have a point there. Good thinking.

But, what if one realizes at advanced age, that he/she has wasted his/her life on certain things, perhaps because he never asked himself whether other possibilites exist? ==> I mean, perhaps instead of wasting his life on supporting 4 children, he should have gone with only 2 and spend the rest of his resources on his own education, hobbies...

Or perhaps an artist or scientist realizes that he has wasted his career on things he doesn`t really like and finds out, that he has lost his independence ("innocence") when he "grew up" (that is, when he accepted conformance to common ideas or ways of doing things)... perhaps only then he realizes, that this small woman from the far past is something he needs for inspiration ... to try to do things he would like to do the last time in his life...

You know, Alizée is not just a person, is not just someone we hear when we listen to UEDS or MCE, when we look at our computer desktop, ... as per my understanding, she is foremost a symbol, a symbol of Alizée-ness, which has a different meaning to every individual.

Just perhaps, only for certain persons and only at ones advanced age, will one start to begin to understand, what Alizée-ness really is... and that really is something that is worth telling your grandchildren about.

Therefore, being a fan for life - not possible. But being alizee-ish for life - totally plausible.

[Ray4AJ]

My grandmother passed away nine years ago, but before she did I'd spend a lot of time keeping her company. She was aware of present events but couldn't understand her current situation, and I was (I think and hoped) able to help her feel calm and safe by being there as someone she knew and trusted. My point though is that while she couldn't remember that day's lunch, she could still tell the same stories from her childhood that she had told me 30+ years earlier with all the detail I remember from back then.

My experience with memories and such, being around twice the average age here, is that you won't forget the things that were important to you. You'll also remember trivial things. Sometimes you'll wonder why they seemed so important at the time, or why you couldn't see what you should have at the time. But that's how life works, you hopefully learn from the past and move on. New things and situations arise that have to be dealt with and enjoyed. Life goes on.

I don't think that Alizée will be completely forgotten by any fan. I'm sure the internet as we know it will be gone as well, but I think music survives and her songs will somehow still be available. But there will be so much more created in 50/60 years :) that older things would be much more difficult to discover for the first time.

And as usual I'm losing track of my thoughts so I'll just stop here.

[Merci Alizée]

Huh? Would you care to explain? :coffee:

Well, I have been reluctant to tell much about this recently, but still...

I discovered her in 2007. That was first time when I had full time internet access, so I was a newb in the online world.

My friend showed me her video (JEAM and La Isla Bonita) and at first I was surprised because I had never seen such thing before. Not sure if you can guess what I was thinking, but video looked weird to me. I wasn't a type of guy who would listen to songs and watch movies. I could hardly identify any Indian singers or actors and actresses. That's why I had not much idea of a music album, single and such stage performances. My first reaction was 'what's going on and what's this girl doing'. While my friends continued watching the videos, I wasn't paying much attention and left the room. Before leaving I heard the argument between some friends about whether she is Italian or American.

Later when I noticed that many people had seen her videos, I became curious and started searching about her. Little bit of effort and I found that she is French.

I got interested and listened to her other songs. I liked those especially Amelie m'a dit very much. There was a time when I used to return back from classes and spend whole time searching about her. I could hardly understand much.

I found that she got married in 2003 and stopped singing after that. For some reason, I was very disappointed. Before that I used to tell everyone enthusiastically about her and later I felt as if everything ended before starting.

[User22]

All very good posts :D and MA I cracked up when you said "whats going on and what this girl doing" haha :D

But guys, I think I've got the solution. We keep a log book in a cave in Corsica, and after this site goes offline and we have no point of contact, we travel to the cave years down the road and people leave their contact information and whether or not they still have their harddrives and thier physical collections. That way we can keep an underground check-up system going and never lose her!

Im tired, that made little sense, night.

[Marka]

All very good posts :D and MA I cracked up when you said "whats going on and what this girl doing" haha :D

But guys, I think I've got the solution. We keep a log book in a cave in Corsica, and after this site goes offline and we have no point of contact, we travel to the cave years down the road and people leave their contact information and whether or not they still have their harddrives and thier physical collections. That way we can keep an underground check-up system going and never lose her!

Im tired, that made little sense, night.

This made much more sense than the approach with the time machine when you go back in time and kidnapp Alizée :)

You know what, lets download everything Alizée related, store it on LTO8 tapes (when they are available, of course, they say that one will be able to store up to 12.8TB of uncompressed data on a single tape), save these tapes next to the check-up system you proposed, and voilà, we have double redundancy!

Of course, we should make everything redundand, the Corse cave serving as the primary location while other locations serving as mirrors...

I humanity happens to launch another Voyager-like spacecraft, we might arrange with them to send some songs and a couple of photos with it into deep space, to preserve them for very-far-into-the-future generations.

[Ray4AJ]

At first I thought that using a cave in Corsica wouldn't be a good idea because of the difficulties getting there to access the material. But then I thought that most of you will have retired by then and after having successful careers will have relocated to Corsica to live out your lives on the little beaches and strolling along the harbor. I'll be long gone by then so I'm trusting you all to maintain the archive. Thanks in advance!

[Azhiri]

You certainly have a point there. Good thinking.

But, what if one realizes at advanced age, that he/she has wasted his/her life on certain things, perhaps because he never asked himself whether other possibilites exist? ==> I mean, perhaps instead of wasting his life on supporting 4 children, he should have gone with only 2 and spend the rest of his resources on his own education, hobbies...

Or perhaps an artist or scientist realizes that he has wasted his career on things he doesn`t really like and finds out, that he has lost his independence ("innocence") when he "grew up" (that is, when he accepted conformance to common ideas or ways of doing things)... perhaps only then he realizes, that this small woman from the far past is something he needs for inspiration ... to try to do things he would like to do the last time in his life...

You know, Alizée is not just a person, is not just someone we hear when we listen to UEDS or MCE, when we look at our computer desktop, ... as per my understanding, she is foremost a symbol, a symbol of Alizée-ness, which has a different meaning to every individual.

Just perhaps, only for certain persons and only at ones advanced age, will one start to begin to understand, what Alizée-ness really is... and that really is something that is worth telling your grandchildren about.

Therefore, being a fan for life - not possible. But being alizee-ish for life - totally plausible.

I've been a member of this forum for almost three years now (that's crazy to me, doesn't feel like that long at all) and I've seen members who have come and gone, and members who have been here far longer than I have and are still going strong. I've seen many, many, many posts and threads exploring "Alizee-ness", but I don't think I'll ever fully understand it because it seems to be a man thing. :p I do understand, though, that she's more than just a person to those fans who have stuck around as long as some of us here have. As someone who has never been "nuts" about Alizee, I can't really say much about that other than yes, I know that many people here see her as a symbol of that weird quality that brought us all here.

I think I will be Alizee-ish for life because in my early fan days, she was a big influence on my behavior and even my appearance. She taught me to demonstrate grace in not-so-ideal situations, behave kindly, professionally, and respectfully towards everyone, and that being beautiful or even sexy means being natural, as she says in my signature. :)

I cannot, however, imagine "going nuts" over any person, much less sixty years from now... once again, maybe it's just a man thing :dontknow:

[Ray4AJ]

You know, Alizée is not just a person, is not just someone we hear when we listen to UEDS or MCE, when we look at our computer desktop, ... as per my understanding, she is foremost a symbol, a symbol of Alizée-ness, which has a different meaning to every individual.

Eh, she isn't a symbol to me. But I still get what you are saying.

I cannot, however, imagine "going nuts" over any person, much less sixty years from now... once again, maybe it's just a man thing :dontknow:

I can think of another way a fan could "go nuts" over a celebrity, actor, sports figure, etc. For several years I helped out on a pro drag racing team, and we traveled all over and had a great time and even won sometimes. The only way to make a small fortune racing is to start out with a big one. So the owner stopped and some of us went with another team but that wasn't fun so I got out of it. But what I'm getting at is that some of the spectators acted like the drivers were gods or something and wanted autographs and we'd give out old parts, and sold t-shirts and they just snapped everything up. We went along with it because we knew that the fans paid for tickets and that gave us places to race. To us, our fellow racers were just regular people we'd see at each event. We'd stay at the same hotels and go to the same restaurants and fly on the same planes. Nearly everyone involved in the class had real jobs as well in many different fields. There was nothing special about any of the drivers as far as I was concerned. Some I didn't even like. I don't think any of the fans acted like they did because of a 'man thing', I think there is something in human nature that can affect fans with respect to their chosen superstar. I don't know how it works.

There is more than one way a fan can go nuts over their ... I'll use 'hero' to simplify writing. I'm just offering an alternative to the 'man thing' theory. Though I'm sure that it's valid on many occasions as well.

I never imagined I'd be anyone's fan. I used to make fun of fans, and friends who I thought were being fan-nish. I sure don't do that anymore. In fact, I find that I'm much more agreeable at work and maybe even more understanding of the things others do that make no sense to me. Not really understanding, I still don't get it, but maybe I give them the benefit of the doubt that their ways will work somehow.

What Azhiri wrote She taught me to demonstrate grace in not-so-ideal situations, behave kindly, professionally, and respectfully towards everyone
about her Alizée-ish-ness does feel similar to what has happened to me. Not the same exact benefits, but the same kind of positive outcome. Both outward and inward. I'm a fan of that. I'll never be able to thank her enough. I think initially I was starstruck or something, but that's fading as far as I can tell.

I hope anyone who made the effort was able to follow that at least a bit.

[Fall]

I think there is something in human nature that can affect fans with respect to their chosen superstar. I don't know how it works.

There is more than one way a fan can go nuts over their ... I'll use 'hero' to simplify writing. I'm just offering an alternative to the 'man thing' theory. Though I'm sure that it's valid on many occasions as well.

I agree. It doesn't always have to be a man thing to be a big fan of Alizée, as most of you know, I am a huge Michael Jackson fan, and I'm straight lol, so there isn't any kind of attraction there.

Also, I thought the first post suggested somebody finding out about her in the future, but for the first time. In that case I think it could definitely happen. But to be bitten by the Lillybug all over again, is tough. Even now it would be tough a few years after discovering her, with so much more access to all things Zée than ever. If it was easy, then we might see a bunch of old AAmers coming back here to be part of it all again, but it's rare and almost always temporary :(

[Un-rêve]

Alizée will live on forever!!!

Offcourse I believe our grandchildren's children will discover her too!

Well my son ( yes believe it or not I do have a son, not that I see him much though ) knows all about Alizée but I haven't talked to him about her in years because I saw he was getting infactuated with her just as I was and I wanted to save him from that, but I'm sure he still remembers her nonetheless.


Btw Fall06 I've always liked your signature

"We could fly, soar high, let our spirits never die" says it all.

[SpanishFan]

Now lets imagine that after some 60 or so years somebody remembers her and once again goes nuts about her... just, there is no youtube or anything of that kind, there is no Alizée stuff left to be found on the internet anymore (perhaps there is no more internet as we know it as humankind is in a horrific state, or perhaps no one bothered to transfer Lili's content to new services), except for perhaps some remarks in old wikipedia articles and some other stuff scattered throughout the basements of her ex-fans, most of them already dead...




If there is no internet or anything similar and the humankind is in a horrific state, my bet is that people would be worried about just getting food and shelter and try to survive...

If the world is more or less ok in 60 years, my bet is that everybody will have a custom boyfriend/girlfriend clone. Very similar as that Futurama episode where Fry has a "Lucy Liu" girlfriend...

Plus I own an Alizée autographed CD, she touched that paper, surely her fingerprint and a minimal portion of her DNA is still there... :w:

Just joking... I am afraid I did not fully understand the thread. But reading some views in here, sometimes I feel like a second division Alizéé fan. You guys are reaaally Alizéeinfected :D

[Future Raptor Ace]

This "Alizéeinfected" or what ever you guys want to call it is just a passing phase in your life. I have been on this site for what will soon be 5 years and I can tell you I have seen the many highs and lows of this site. The reason why Alizee is so attractive to us males is because she is stunningly beautiful but at that same time comes across as sweet, "human" and down to earth. The problem with the above sentence is the key word "comes across." As you grow more conscious of how little you really know about her one starts to realize that she honestly is not anything special in the personality spectrum. You will run into women in your life that are honestly a lot more pretty, humble, kind, and at the same time actually care about you. Truth be told when someone has as much fame as Alizee, it changes the way one thinks weather they want it to or not. She obviously knows she can have any guy she possibly wants as well as knows the power she has to manipulate them; do you honestly think she doesn't use it? Now im not saying she is a bad person, I honestly think she is a good person, however she is just human .. an average female with good looks that achieved fame and success. As this becomes more and more obvious one starts to realize their attraction for Alizee is only justified by her looks and not the illusion that is her perceived personality. We are only sexually attracted to her like any beautiful woman we see because after all we are male mammals; does that mean anything more ... no of course not! Eventually most of you will come to understand what im saying and wont even have Alizee on your minds. Sure you will still listen to her music and probably still enjoy it, but you will know Alizee is just another pretty girl singing the song and that's it, all the other feelings you think you have for her currently will vanish.

[Marka]

This "Alizéeinfected" or what ever you guys want to call it is just a passing phase in your life. I have been on this site for what will soon be 5 years and I can tell you I have seen the many highs and lows of this site. The reason why Alizee is so attractive to us males is because she is stunningly beautiful but at that same time comes across as sweet, "human" and down to earth. The problem with the above sentence is the key word "comes across." As you grow more conscious of how little you really know about her one starts to realize that she honestly is not anything special in the personality spectrum. You will run into women in your life that are honestly a lot more pretty, humble, kind, and at the same time actually care about you. Truth be told when someone has as much fame as Alizee, it changes the way one thinks weather they want it to or not. She obviously knows she can have any guy she possibly wants as well as knows the power she has to manipulate them; do you honestly think she doesn't use it? Now im not saying she is a bad person, I honestly think she is a good person, however she is just human .. an average female with good looks that achieved fame and success. As this becomes more and more obvious one starts to realize their attraction for Alizee is only justified by her looks and not the illusion that is her perceived personality. We are only sexually attracted to her like any beautiful woman we see because after all we are male mammals; does that mean anything more ... no of course not! Eventually most of you will come to understand what im saying and wont even have Alizee on your minds. Sure you will still listen to her music and probably still enjoy it, but you will know Alizee is just another pretty girl singing the song and that's it, all the other feelings you think you have for her currently will vanish.

At the end of the day, you are right. :bye:

However, this thread is not about whether going nuts about her when you are old is plausible, it is about what would you do should such a thing happen. Pure fiction therefore.

[Ray4AJ]

I think it's wonderful that Alizée has had so many different influences on so many people, and that we each have different kinds of Alizée experiences. Mine is not exactly like anyone else's, and very different from what some here have written.

[Marka]

We are only sexually attracted to her like any beautiful woman we see because after all we are male mammals;

:coffee:

I must confess that even though I am straight and despite my admiration of Alizée, her image and her products, I have NEVER felt any sexual attraction towards her nor had any feeling of love (as compared to the feelings of love in real life) to her... I guess my subconscious percieves her as a symbol and the same time as my muse rather than a real person.

EDIT: I wrote that she is my muse... oh I guess that is right despite the weirdness of such a statement.

[Future Raptor Ace]

:coffee:

I must confess that even though I am straight and despite my admiration of Alizée, her image and her products, I have NEVER felt any sexual attraction towards her nor had any feeling of love (as compared to the feelings of love in real life) to her... I guess my subconscious percieves her as a symbol and the same time as my muse rather than a real person.

EDIT: I wrote that she is my muse... oh I guess that is right despite the weirdness of such a statement.
Sexual attraction and love are two different things. As a straight man you are most likely sexually attracted to any woman you deem beautiful and or aesthetically pleasing. However that does not mean you will care for them or want to spend time with them in a scenario that doesn't involve sex/sexual desires being fulfilled. If you say Alizee is beautiful but you are not sexually attracted to her it means you are sexually attracted to other things in woman and not beauty and that makes you a rare individual. Most humans and mammals for that matter are sexually attracted to an "attractive" member of the opposite sex. However there are things that can turn off this initial attraction making you no longer attracted to this said beautiful woman, hence the term "turn off." So maybe you were like me at one point and where sexually attracted to her and then something turned you off, for me it was combination of her and my maturity as we aged.

Most males on this forum, myself include, where and or still are sexually attracted to Alizee based on looks and her perceived personality. Only the looks portion is justified so that puts Alizee in the same category as any other hott woman we might see walking down the street and don't know. However instead of staring (yes we all stare don't lie ... im the first one to turn my head when you hear the clunks of her heels, ill admit it) at that woman for the 1 minute she is in view, you now get to stare at Alizee when ever you want; they are essentially the same scenarios.

[Marka]

Sexual attraction and love are two different things. As a straight man you are most likely sexually attracted to any woman you deem beautiful and or aesthetically pleasing. However that does not mean you will care for them or want to spend time with them in a scenario that doesn't involve sex/sexual desires being fulfilled. If you say Alizee is beautiful but you are not sexually attracted to her it means you are sexually attracted to other things in woman and not beauty and that makes you a rare individual. Most humans and mammals for that matter are sexually attracted to an "attractive" member of the opposite sex. However there are things that can turn off this initial attraction making you no longer attracted to this said beautiful woman, hence the term "turn off." So maybe you were like me at one point and where sexually attracted to her and then something turned you off, for me it was combination of her and my maturity as we aged.

Most males on this forum, myself include, where and or still are sexually attracted to Alizee based on looks and her perceived personality. Only the looks portion is justified so that puts Alizee in the same category as any other hott woman we might see walking down the street and don't know. However instead of staring (yes we all stare don't lie ... im the first one to turn my head when you hear the clunks of her heels, ill admit it) at that woman for the 1 minute she is in view, you now get to stare at Alizee when ever you want; they are essentially the same scenarios.

I understand what you mean and I agree with it but I still claim what I claimed in my post above... selective asexuality :) or realistic asexuality. And yes, I do state that Alizée is beautiful.

EDIT: No offense, but I think that your view of fan-Alizée relationship (although true) is too narrow, too... biological.

[outlaw]

hey guys. after reading all your messages in the end isnt it really just about the happy memories she gave us? brought a bunch of strangers together and made a family out of us. i think thats what we should be most happy for.

think of all the exciting adventures she put us thru. right?:)))

[Future Raptor Ace]

hey guys. after reading all your messages in the end isnt it really just about the happy memories she gave us? brought a bunch of strangers together and made a family out of us. i think thats what we should be most happy for.

think of all the exciting adventures she put us thru. right?:)))
Cheers to that :beer:

[Marka]

hey guys. after reading all your messages in the end isnt it really just about the happy memories she gave us? brought a bunch of strangers together and made a family out of us. i think thats what we should be most happy for.

think of all the exciting adventures she put us thru. right?:)))

:order: :clap:

[Un-rêve]

60 years is along time. :)


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[Marka]

I was just looking at the picture Ray sent to me in a pm, then I looked at the scsi hard drive sitting on a shelf next to me, I remembered the Alizee Hub, and then I remembered this thread, but I forgot what I wanted to say...

Does anybody have any ideas about what I wanted to say? :)

[Ray4AJ]

I was just looking at the picture Ray sent to me in a pm, then I looked at the scsi hard drive sitting on a shelf next to me, I remembered the Alizee Hub, and then I remembered this thread, but I forgot what I wanted to say...

Does anybody have any ideas about what I wanted to say? :)

Will that SCSI drive be unreadable in the future and your collection will be lost?

[digimaze]

Does anybody have any ideas about what I wanted to say? :)

You wanted to say how much you wanted to buy a new 4TB drive and clean out the Hub from top to bottom of all that Alizee goodness, then retire that SCSI as backup... just in case!

Glad I could help :aha:

[Marka]

Will that SCSI drive be unreadable in the future and your collection will be lost?

You wanted to say how much you wanted to buy a new 4TB drive and clean out the Hub from top to bottom of all that Alizee goodness, then retire that SCSI as backup... just in case!

Glad I could help :aha:

That SCSI drive is a souvenir from my first (and only) job - Fujitsu, Ultra 160 SCSI, 18GB :)) I am nowhere near to being able to download TBs from the hub, due to my internet connection... 2Mb download, blah :( You two were close, though :)

I wanted to give you an update as to how my thinking has changed since I last posted in this thread...

Mid-rant:
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In the last 6 months, I've been in constant battle with the modern ideal of love, meaning of life, metaphysics and spirituality of people around me (both religious and non-religious alike), which at the first glance seems to encompass all you'll ever need in life, seems incredibly simple, with all its usage of words like love, happiness, depth, meaning of life,... but when you actually look at it more deeply, you notice how shallow and perverted it really is. Whenever I see people preach this modern quest for meaning of life, happiness, ... I hear a voice in my head that screams "get the fuck away!". For me, this modern spirituality and metaphysics is actually mind control for the masses. You explain them what you stand for in your life, what you want to do, how things are almost impossible, but you are going to try anyway, and they only reply "...how lovely. As for me, I just want to be happy." and then they feel so great, that they stress the word "just want to be happy".

I just hope that I've been around wrong people for all this time, and that I will be surrounded by people more like myself in the future. Sorry guys and girls, but my brain is that of an introvert, constant quest for pleasure and immediate satisfaction of my non-primitively-natural needs is not high on my list of what I want to do in my life.
I am a person of extremes, have my own problems I cannot deal with, my brain is hardwired in a way which rewards sadness more than joy, I have billions of faults I can deal with but do not, as I am too lazy and am angry at myself because of that some times... but you know what - there are times, when I wake up from my life and realize, that I basically live a life of a person I want to be, and at that times, I am the most proud and happy person in the whole world.

"Be proud of yourself and retain the child within you" is the only short advice I accept.
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Back to the topic - I've reread the posts in this thread, and I must say, that I am not that impressed by the posts here as much as I was 6 months before, when this thread was actual. My posts are the ones I disagree with the most. I called Alizée my symbol, even my muse, but never got around to properly explain what I meant by that.

Alizée is not a symbol of my childhood, nor of what I believe and stand for in life, not even of the seaside I soo adore. Alizée is for me only a symbol of another symbol, a transitive symbol if you wish. For me, she is a symbol of this symbol: Devant soi - 30s harmony - LB (http://www2.arnes.si/~mmarko7/javno/ostalo/LB/laurent_harmonija.mp3).

Yes, Alizée is for me only a symbol of something I've come to call Boutonnat's harmony, and this harmony is actually the thing I am a fan of, as for me, my ears and my brains, this harmony, this musical symbol, encompasses everything that is both good and bad in me, and everything I value in life. LB managed to capture this harmony, and he used it in one way or another in many of his works, while the best uses of this harmony can be found nowhere else than in his works done for Alizée. If you've noticed in the Articles and blog section of the forum, I am working on my own fan-creation. The primary purpose of this creation is to try to capture this harmony into the mathematical world.

In the end, without this harmony, Alizée would for me be just like Natasha St-Pier or any other female singer I would like and perhaps be a "fan" of. Beauty, being natural, being childlike, ... these are all the qualities of Alizée I would undoubtly recognize without her being backed-up by this harmony, but there would probably be nothing that would really bind me to her, which would be able to wake my interest up for her after 60 years.

Her beauty, her dancing, her voice, all the things one can learn or derive from her,... all such things pass and become replaced many times over by other things in life, but do try to play something like this LBs harmony I am talking about so much to an old man, who has long forgotten about it, and you'll be amazed by what things music can do.

Therefore, going nuts after Alizée after 60 years - plausible.

[Un-rêve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBXnuJfZEg

[alizeefan]

I'd tend to agree with Spanishfan on cloning her but the moral implications there of owning a life will be highly frowned upon by then . So the future tense Alizée-fans will probably all have Alizée-bots which will come fully programmed with all her songs and voice . Only problem is those fans will be kept in some human zoo for the robots .

[Un-rêve]

I'd tend to agree with Spanishfan on cloning her but the moral implications there of owning a life will be highly frowned upon by then . So the future tense Alizée-fans will probably all have Alizée-bots which will come fully programmed with all her songs and voice . Only problem is those fans will be kept in some human zoo for the robots .

LOL!!!

Well they might be able to be clone everyone oneday but they will never be able to clone Alizée because she's one of a kind, moreover the Corsican Mafia wouldn't have it!!! :D

[Fall]

Maybe 60 years after she ends her career a Virginia Tech student will try to contact her former label and ask her to record a message :)))

Virginia Tech Student Asks Nirvana To Record A Video, Seems Unaware Kurt Cobain Is Dead ... Or A Man

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/virginia-tech-nirvana-letter_n_3653449.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

[Marka]

After more than one year, my first post in this thread still makes me very sad... although, now I know that it is not about Alizée per se, neither my fandom, but what she represents to me. As Brian wrote, l'ange de la Corse. Yep, that is she.

[Ajaccio]

In my opinion, that's not very realistic scenario. Plausible, but not likely to happen.

I'm more concerned with a similar thing occurring in, let's say 10 years. Filming technology probably won't make any giant leaps in that time and her music videos will be still "watchable" then (not feeling terribly old-fashioned). The concern is, that someone stumbles across the Lili traps, especially J'en ai Marre and La isla bonita. And he feels the same as I did and many before me, falling victim to the Lili bug.

I have great faith in some people I've met that they'll remain loyal fans to the grave; but it's difficult to expect something like that if she really stops her singing career. It's no secret that there's fewer and fewer fans everyday. Yet, her last album was released barely 2 years ago and the forums are deserted. So I think it's safe to presume one won't be able to find many internet Alizée communities 10 years time. And falling in love with her in 2026 is something I believe might happen. I mean, will happen. And not being able to share it with like-minded people is going to be a tough thing.

But that's only my opinion; it might be completely false. :)

[Scruffydog777]

I think next year will be a pivotal year. This year we'll have the wedding and there will probably be a lot of different appearances that result from that and I'm sure there will be other programs she'll appear in otherwise. From a recent article, it seemed to hint she might be a regular on the M6 channel. So there will be plenty of things to keep up our interest.

What 2017 holds, I have no idea. I saw people losing interest here this past year and I said hold on till the beginning of the year. Then at least we'll have Les Enfoires which has produced some great Alizée moments, but she became a fill in for one of the DALS tours dancers and so we didn't have LE.

The Tournée produced some very good moments, but with few exceptions it was the same show night after night and she was singing a song that wasn't a good fit for her voice but she did look gorgeous in that outfit she wore when she sang that song.

Even with LE, it's not really what her fans want. Of course they want another album. With all her albums since she left MF, we've never seen any where near the full potential of what this woman is capable of and the way I mean that is in music videos. So much beauty, charm, dancing ability and I think she's shown us enough to say she has very good acting ability too, but they can't find a way to combine all those assets into some good videos. Alcaline was a great song and could have easily been turned into a good video, but the promotional efforts for that song, left so much to be desired.

If she want's another child, she'll probably have to put a bun in the oven in the very near future. You add the fact they'll be opening up a dancing school in Ajaccio ( I wonder if Ajaccio heard about that yet?). I tried to tell people last year to be optimistic for next year, but beyond this year, I see little on the horizon, at least as far as things we really want.

[Djr654]

This thread affects me deeply. Both the original post, and the very thoughtful replies that follow, bring out some pretty strong emotions. This was true upon a first reading some months ago, and it is still true today, when I went through it again after logging on for the first time in a while and seeing this old thread resurrected.

The scenario outlined by the OP obviously has sad undertones. Although this concerned someone RE-discovering Alizée after a period of time, a more powerful concept for me is one alluded to by some others: that of someone coming across her for the FIRST TIME many years down the line, when she is long retired, this forum has gone offline (or at least is totally inactive), and there are just fragments of her scattered over whatever has become of the internet. I can imagine an old man, in the mid-2060s, say, coming across her early videos, going through the same intense emotions as I did when I first discovered her last year, and realising, too late, that here was the inspiration that he had been looking for all his life. She had been out there all this time, but only when the end is near does he finally stumble upon her by pure chance.

I'm not saying that this is likely to happen, but for me, all this is about more than just Alizée. The scenario described above mirrors my own fears, and is a metaphor for broader issues in my life. As it was, I missed out on Alizée's most active years, when she was producing what, in my opinion, was the best music, and I could very well have missed out on her altogether; if that video of her's hadn't come up as one of Youtube's suggestions, or if I hadn't clicked on it...

There is, of course, nothing to be gained by thinking in these terms, but that's just my temperament; I guess it's part of who I am. I haven't really explained any of this very well, but Alizée produces complex feelings that often can't be put into words. I guess that's part of what makes her so special. I'll just finish by saying that this thread hit me, and hit me hard.

[Scruffydog777]

I often think back that if I only had known about her, with my job, I could've easily flown over to see one of her concerts. But how knows, instead I might have put it off, as I did with the Mexico concerts, I decided to wait for one in Paris and it was cancelled. Back in 2003, I might have said, I'll wait till next year. She's so young, surely there will be more albums (with MF) and more concerts.

So I don't dwell on it too much. I'm thankful at least she's still active. DALS was great because we really got to see her back stage and probably got our best glimpse of what she's really like.

SAGA was another good story. So like I said, she's still active and I think there will be more great moments to come. Hopefully there will be some good videos of the wedding. Beyond that, I'm not sure what will happen but I'm sure it will be worth watching.

[Djr654]

I'm thankful at least she's still active.

Agreed. That's something we can be grateful for.