is this Alizee?

[nurvonic]

here it is thanksgiving night, and im not drunk? whats this world coming to..

anyway, i was browsing some myspace videos and came across this profile simply named "Alizee". maybe some of you seen it before and shrugged it off cuz you thought it wasnt Alizee. i doubt its her too...

but you never know..

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=74556822

she even made a blog about her 3rd album

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74556822&blogID=191429663&MyToken=01bf0bb2-8566-4da0-a3b5-acc24e7c705f

[cane17]

I been asking myself the same thing.:confused:

[nurvonic]

LOL wtf is up with your sig dude?

yeah me too...with that many comments, youd think someone would of said "is this really alizee?" or "this aint alizee" or something along those lines...

[cane17]

Its my sig too big ??? and i know someone ask her if this was realy her and she said yes.

[nurvonic]

id say its a bit wide lol

and really, well that clears things up

[Señor Villa]

That is a big sig cane17 but I like it.

[jeroh]

:eek:
very weird

[cane17]

Ok guys i fix it and she has some pics i haven't seen before.:blink:

btw this is my 100th post:)

[riva2model64]

this is very confusing.

it says her height is 5' 5", which would confirm my
beliefs that she had grown a little taller

then there are the english mistakes. maybe the person put them there intentionally

then it says what "State" she lived in. the person put Corse. I thought she lived in paris right now?

also the 3rd album thing doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, which means anyone could have wrote it

-edit- I looked in the "View My: Pics" section, and they are all pics we have, in general, seen, even there are paparazzi pictures (I thought she didn't like the paparazzi)?

call me pessimistic, but I don't believe that's her right now

[brad]

i don't think it is her. i also don't know why she would type everything in english?

[maareek]

i don't think it is her. i also don't know why she would type everything in english?

Practice?

I'm not suggesting it is her, I really don't believe it is, but anything's possible. And if she just has it for fun, then she could just be using it to get some English practice or something (assuming she's still learning it). Just a thought, extrememly far fetched and unlikely, though.

[RMJ]

Like said before...

If that is Alizée... I'm Jérémy !



( seriously... can any of you for real even think about that being her ?! )

[MaiFromSanFrancisco]

definately not her imo... I wouldn't post a myspace about myself and use paparazzi pics.

i like his/her pic selections tho, some, i mean most i haven't seen before

[Amelie]

i don't believe it's Alizee... if there is Alizee, why she wrote her letter in some unknown site, not here (:D)? or Le Nid Alizee or somewhere more popular. no no no, it can't be

[AA-1]

I think is not Alizee's letter. I agree with Amelie post.:)

[aditya8617]

Bottomline, nurvonic was drunk when he started the thread!

[atra201]

Its my sig too big ??? and i know someone ask her if this was realy her and she said yes.

is it bigger than mine? :D
edit: 450posts

[atra201]

btw it is too good to be true
"when things look too good to be true then they are not true".

[riva2model64]

btw it is too good to be true
"when things look too good to be true then they are not true".

Alizée is too good to be true, yet she is
hard as that is to believe, its true

[nurvonic]

Bottomline, nurvonic was drunk when he started the thread!

i actually was 100% sober when i started the thread. i am, however, a little buzzed right now..lol. im gonna be the only odd ball and say yes, i do believe thats Alizee!

[aFrenchie]

My opinions:
- I can't imagine her doing that without any proof, nothing to a fansite to confirm it and to talk about it, etc... Who could believe that this little thing lost in the internet is really her own site??? She would be stupid herself to think that everybody will believe it in the first place...
- In English??? She has to reconquer her French audience before and above all. No French succes and I'm not even sure that she would try something abroad.
- The English mistakes don't sound like mistakes that a French learner would do to me. According to their country, each people do the same mistakes when speaking a given language. Maybe yourself can judge if those mistakes are the same kind of those that I do myself in English? I have serious doubt that it's a French person. Could be an Italian or a Spanish or a Polish or even an English speaking person instead.
- There are soo many potential jerks to do that sort of thing on the net!
- RMJ's always right :D

[Geech]

Yeah i'm a go out on a long shot and say that it is prob not her.

[atra201]

Alizée is too good to be true, yet she is
hard as that is to believe, its true

i did not mean Alizee was too good to be true i meant the idea that this is Alizee is too good to be true

[MaiFromSanFrancisco]

i like how the people that comment on that person's myspace are so natural. They are smooth :) They comment as if it is really her.

[bhash875]

I think maybe she has learned more english and she does want to enter the north american market

[newalizeefan]

what i think...its not her hers...
i dont think she would put up pictures that the paparazzi captured of her in a myspace page. and why would some of the people in her top 8 be people from the US?
but the 3rd album blog is convincing. the english isnt that great in the blog and we know that alizee isnt the best in speaking english.
but thats just my opinion.

[jeroh]

drop away that beer , stop drinking!

[aFrenchie]

I think maybe she has learned more english and she does want to enter the north american market
Verrry unprofessional and silly way to do it if you ask me!
but the 3rd album blog is convincing. the english isnt that great in the blog and we know that alizee isnt the best in speaking english.
I was talking about the blog here btw:
- The English mistakes don't sound like mistakes that a French learner would do to me. According to their country, each people do the same mistakes when speaking a given language. Maybe yourself can judge if those mistakes are the same kind of those that I do myself in English? I have serious doubt that it's a French person. Could be an Italian or a Spanish or a Polish or even an English speaking person instead.

[nate714]

I agree, the picture section is a dead give away that it is not actually her.

[Cooney]

Not a chance in hell that it's her, much as I wish it was. No reason to do it all in English, no reason to be using recent paparazzi pictures (especially ones including her child, whom we KNOW she is very protective of), the English mistakes look like an American trying to sound foreign, no reason for a lot of the stuff there. Oh, not to mention the background (which I don't think is the sort of shameless self promotion she'd use), and the videos, which she would not be distributing in that fashion. Fun to wish, but foolish to hope.

(Looking some more, note as well the lack of "Madonna" is the people I'd like to meet section, and the presence of modelling and pornstar-wannabe "friends" links.)

[CK]

- RMJ's always right :D

lol i agree

also aint Alizée a big fan of madona?? but in that blog it doesnt say she would like to meet her, im sure if your a big fan of someone you would want to meet them

[aditya8617]

Come on didn't we already conclude that nurvonic was drunk when he started this thread. Also whoever thinks that she is Alizee is a r-tard.

[bhash875]

I tried to get a hold of Manuela on Alizee's site. I did get to speak with someone else on
the Alizee site. He revealed details to me which leads him to believe the site is genuine (he has had emails with Manuela and Alizee).Out of respect for the confidence's he gave me I can't reveal the details of the email conversation and I am not trying to be a prima donna but I did put in to try and get on as a friend. It is a decision you have to make. No I have not been made a member as of yet.

[rwd716]

Can we kill this thread already? It's so obvious it isn't her, lol!

[jeroh]

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[garçoncanadien]

lollll Jeroh!

She has IM, guys. One way to be more sure who the author really is is to cross-examine her French skills via IM; aFrenchie, Cooney, or Twitch should go and do that.

[aFrenchie]

She has IM, guys. One way to be more sure who the author really is is to cross-examine her French skills via IM; aFrenchie, Cooney, or Twitch should go and do that.
Except that if the owner is French (which I doubt, again), we won't learn more! :rolleyes:
Anyway people, you shouldn't even click on that sort of link, it could be toxic and mortal :D. Well, myspace is a truckload of bullshit in general and for your mental health, like me, you should backtrack each time you accidentally stumble on one :p. And this one stinks usurpation so hard that it sure doesn't deserve your time!

[cane17]

So i guees i should stop sending meesages to her saying "I love Lili" then :p

[DJ_Greg]

Except that if the owner is French (which I doubt, again), we won't learn more! :rolleyes:
Anyway people, you shouldn't even click on that sort of link, it could be toxic and mortal :D. Well, myspace is a truckload of bullshit in general and for your mental health, like me, you should backtrack each time you accidentally stumble on one :p. And this one stinks usurpation so hard that it sure doesn't deserve your time!

Heh, aFrenchie...you're starting to talk like a native American now. :p

[rcs]

Where's Jessica when we need her? I also would think that us fans would pick up on some of the people posting. Wouldn't we recognize some familiar names that have posted on other fan sites?

[CFHollister]

Where's Jessica when we need her? I also would think that us fans would pick up on some of the people posting. Wouldn't we recognize some familiar names that have posted on other fan sites?

The only one that stuck out to me was "Lukas". Wasn't that the host of the "1H avec Alizee" interview? Not that it's conclusive in the least but it was on intereting name that I noticed.

[aFrenchie]

The only one that stuck out to me was "Lukas". Wasn't that the host of the "1H avec Alizee" interview? Not that it's conclusive in the least but it was on intereting name that I noticed.
It was Lucas and there are thousands of Lucas in France ;)

[Seapaddler]

One point not mentioned in this thread, Alizée has money. Myspace is for people that have no means to have their own domain and website. You think a successful international singer would lower themselves to a blog on myspace. If she didn't posses the skills hereself she could easily hire a company to provide a domain and blog software and put a website together for her. This myspace user is not her.

[brad]

One point not mentioned in this thread, Alizée has money. Myspace is for people that have no means to have their own domain and website. You think a successful international singer would lower themselves to a blog on myspace. If she didn't posses the skills hereself she could easily hire a company to provide a domain and blog software and put a website together for her. This myspace user is not her.

good point seapaddler, and welcome to the website :)

[aFrenchie]

I forgot to mention that not one post written in French has been posted by a French person. At best they are only 50% correct French. Nothing particular, or at least the fact that it's read by non French visitors only, or that if some French people read that, they don't even want to post! :)

[Matrix]

I believe this is in fact Alizee. As an english speaking person, this is exactly how I would expect Alizee to type english.

Alizee likes the internet, she is stubborn and strong willed, she is going to do what she wants to do regardless what anyone thinks. She came to las vegas to get married, remember?

She knows about MySpace and how popular it is. So why not create a profile on it? She owes no allegiance to any fans or fansites devoted to her. She doesn't have to go to those sites first to say something.

MySpace is a good way for her to practice her english and meet friends and at the same time do it without getting any fan site mad at her for not practicing her english on their website, lol

You see, she is being political here. Oh Alizee, you are very wise at such a young age.

Alizee is a rebellious woman, I can see it, can you? That's what I like about her. :)

[rwd716]

Chase ur dream Matrix :rolleyes:

[aFrenchie]

Matrix, you're such a rebel ;) :cool:

[riva2model64]

yes, indeed

[Twitch]

I didn't want to get involved, but this is what alizeeclochette(aka Jessica) posted on the Alliance in response to the myspace page, and the 3rd album announcement. http://www.alizeealliance.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=7288&st=360&p=167409&#entry167409
She, like the rest of them, she believed it was false because there is no new information disclosed. And most of them felt that there would have been something in French if it was genuine.

[aFrenchie]

Jessica seems not to post a lot here :(. Come on Jessica, your English is perfect! :)

[rwd716]

Maybe she got scared by all of her fan-boys, lol!

[DJ_Greg]

One point not mentioned in this thread, Alizée has money. Myspace is for people that have no means to have their own domain and website. You think a successful international singer would lower themselves to a blog on myspace. If she didn't posses the skills hereself she could easily hire a company to provide a domain and blog software and put a website together for her. This myspace user is not her.


Eh, I don't know if I agree with that. Like it or not, myspace is a great promotional tool for bands, especially those seeking to operate outside of (or partially independent of) their label. Bands recognize that MANY people use myspace, and myspace makes it so easy for bands to promote themselves.

That being said, I don't have an opinion on whether or not that page is made my Alizée. I'm inclined to think it's not, simply due to the font changes within the blog entries...as if they were cut-and-pasted from multiple sources. I dunno...just doesn't seem likely that she'd maintain an English myspace page.

However, I have never seen that picture elsewhere...

[brad]

However, I have never seen that picture elsewhere...

that picture has been around, I have seen it many times, i am sure RMJ can tell us what interview it is from. the fact that it is in english, and the design of the page itself makes me certain it isnt her.

the only thing that seems to support that it is her, is she has been a member of myspace since april 2006 (right after the letter) and the person who made the page has resisted making a post until very recently. if it is an imposter, I don't know why or how they could resist making a blog entry until now.

with all of the rumors and anticipation recently, i think it would be hard for them to not post sooner. that is the only thing that i find interesting at this point.

jeremy uses blogger.com (nice choice btw) ... i bet if she has a blog it would also be on blogger.com ... but who knows.

[brad]

Maybe yourself can judge if those mistakes are the same kind of those that I do myself in English?

I was just reading over this thread again, and found this sentence funny. This is the first thing that you have typed that would make me think you are not a native english speaker (besides a lot of common mistakes that show up on the internet all the time).

Kind of strange since you were talking about comparing mistakes (and you normally never make any) .. lol

[aFrenchie]

the fact that it is in english, and the design of the page itself makes me certain it isnt her.
And like Jessica kind of says on the Alliance forum, it would be a very serious offence that she would be doing to her French audience by not doing even one thing in French on her site! That's absolutely impossible that it's her for that only reason!
Maybe yourself can judge if those mistakes are the same kind of those that I do myself in English?I was just reading over this thread again, and found this sentence funny.
I had some pain to say this in English indeed and knew it will be wrong :). How should I have said it btw?
This is the first thing that you have typed that would make me think you are not a native english speaker
You mean the first thing in the whole post, rrrright? Not in all my posts? :blink:

[brad]

I had some pain to say this in English indeed and knew it will be wrong :). How should I have said it btw?

it was just a little awkward, like the use of 'yourself' and 'myself'. it made sense, but just sounds a little strange.

Maybe you can judge if those mistakes are the same kind that I make in English.

or if you really wanted to use the word yourself ...

Maybe you can judge for yourself if those mistakes are the same kind that I make in English.


You mean the first thing in the whole post, rrrright? Not in all my posts? :blink:

i mean in all your posts, granted I probably dont see them all .. but most of the mistakes you make are things that you see all the time, and they are never awkward sounding things like the sentence above (or like the persons post on myspace)

[HibyPrime]

And like Jessica kind of says on the Alliance forum, it would be a very serious offence that she would be doing to her French audience by not doing even one thing in French on her site! That's absolutely impossible that it's her for that only reason!

I had some pain to say this in English indeed and knew it will be wrong :). How should I have said it btw?

You mean the first thing in the whole post, rrrright? Not in all my posts? :blink:

Your english is amazing, quit doubting yourself :P

There are many people on this forum (including native speakers) that could learn a thing or two about english from you...

You make mistakes occasionally, but who the hell doesn't?

[aFrenchie]

i mean in all your posts, granted I probably dont see them all .. but most of the mistakes you make are things that you see all the timeYour english is amazing, quit doubting yourself :P

There are many people on this forum (including native speakers) that could learn a thing or two about english from you...

You make mistakes occasionally, but who the hell doesn't?
Wow I'm still very surprised each time I'm told that (and not only in this forum) because I'm so persuaded that I say a lot of ackward sounding things (to use your own words Brad), with syntax or choice of words that make me an obvious foreigner. I'm really stubborn because I'm still sure that you mean my English is very good for a foreigner, and for a foreigner only :D
I really have to repeat to myself what you're saying there before I get confident!

[C-4]

I just received this:
VHello...
I saw "moi-alizee.us" and I must tell, that's very good site =) but when I saw messages about my MySpace site, I was surprised... I know, that many people (my fans too) think...that I'm not really Alizee... that's their opinion, and I don't want to thieve it... but I'm really Alizee =) but now I had lost my smile...
And I have some answers for questions on
"moi-alizee.us"...
1. on MySpace I write in english, cause I want to learn some new things...and to speak english with people is the one possibility how can I learn english...
2. many people speak english, and they don't understand french...and many of them want from me, if I can speak in english with them...

If you want, you can post this message on "moi-alizee.us"...

Have a nice day...

Alizee

[neoteny]

im still not convinced. UGH. sorry...

[brad]

Wow I'm still very surprised each time I'm told that (and not only in this forum) because I'm so persuaded that I say a lot of ackward sounding things (to use your own words Brad), with syntax or choice of words that make me an obvious foreigner. I'm really stubborn because I'm still sure that you mean my English is very good for a foreigner, and for a foreigner only :D
I really have to repeat to myself what you're saying there before I get confident!

the only mistake you made in that whole thing is that it is 'awkward' and not 'ackward' .. lol.

but like i said those are common mistakes (i have more misspelled words than you do I bet) .. everything else is 100% perfect, word choice and everything .. I find it very impressive because I studied Spanish for quite a while, and I can read it pretty decent (at least get the meaning) .. but I can't write / speak it worth a damn.

I think it is safe to say that you are officially fluent in English, deal with it! :D

[brad]

I just received this:
VHello...
I saw "moi-alizee.us" and I must tell, that's very good site =) but when I saw messages about my MySpace site, I was surprised... I know, that many people (my fans too) think...that I'm not really Alizee... that's their opinion, and I don't want to thieve it... but I'm really Alizee =) but now I had lost my smile...
And I have some answers for questions on
"moi-alizee.us"...
1. on MySpace I write in english, cause I want to learn some new things...and to speak english with people is the one possibility how can I learn english...
2. many people speak english, and they don't understand french...and many of them want from me, if I can speak in english with them...

If you want, you can post this message on "moi-alizee.us"...

Have a nice day...

Alizee

hmm .. I don't want to say I don't believe her because of the .0001% chance that it is actually her.

One thing that I always think about during these things is that she said in an interview once that if you ever see anyone on the internet saying that they are Alizée .. it isn't her. That was a long time ago though.

[CFHollister]

Ok, so here's an idea, C-4. See if this "Alizee" would be willing to send a hand-written note to brad. If it is her, hopefully she would uderstand the desire for die-hard fans to have their dreams crushed by being lead on by an imposter. Worth a shot, I think.

[brad]

i think i would prefer a picture of her holding a sign that says 'Hi Brad' ... haha

since we are asking for things now :p

[CFHollister]

Well, obviously... but if we entertain that idea for long we'll soon get quite carried away, I'm sure :p

i think i would prefer a picture of her holding a sign that says 'Hi Brad' ... haha

since we are asking for things now :p

[jaco]

One possibility is that someone from her record company has set this up in order to get buzz for her third album going. Many popular artists these days set up myspace accounts for this very reason. I'm pretty sure Alizée herself has nothing to do with this whatsoever. Still, it would make sense for the record company do do something for the American market, since Alizée has become so popular overseas due to sites like this, youtube, blogs, digg and the World of Warcraft reference. I'm pretty sure that Alizée is one of the best known French artists in the U.S. right now, and she has plenty of market potential there.

If sales of her CD/DVD have been popular in the US/Mexico on Amazon I'm sure her record company would take that into consideration too.

[Seapaddler]

Ah huh she's a fake, signed her name Alizee and not Alizée!

[rwd716]

Ah huh she's a fake, signed her name Alizee and not Alizée!
Ooooo, good point. Even I always try to write her name with the accent.

I think it is safe to say that you are officially fluent in English, deal with it! :D

I can't argue w/ Brad. You never sound wierd in your posts. Although I don't know how good your verbal skills are, I'd say your practically fluent.

[nurvonic]

I just received this:
VHello...
I saw "moi-alizee.us" and I must tell, that's very good site =) but when I saw messages about my MySpace site, I was surprised... I know, that many people (my fans too) think...that I'm not really Alizee... that's their opinion, and I don't want to thieve it... but I'm really Alizee =) but now I had lost my smile...
And I have some answers for questions on
"moi-alizee.us"...
1. on MySpace I write in english, cause I want to learn some new things...and to speak english with people is the one possibility how can I learn english...
2. many people speak english, and they don't understand french...and many of them want from me, if I can speak in english with them...

If you want, you can post this message on "moi-alizee.us"...

Have a nice day...

Alizee


where did you get this? who sent this to you?

im going to laugh at everybody if that really is Alizee

edit:nevermind, i see you posted a message on her blog

[Twitch]

I was going to comment on the accents as well, they're missing from Mylène and Jérémy in the 3rd album blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74556822&blogID=191429663&MyToken=28d94d1d-5128-4c11-a7d8-a4eb7889a18c), normally not that big of an issue but on a French keyboard they are so easy to type why leave them off? And the accent was put on Châtelain which is weird, why just that one? There is also a couple of é's but most people who know about Alizée know how to type that one. Maybe I am just over anylising this because accents are left off all the time, except with the e's you usually always put your accents on them because it changes the pronunciation.
But in the end it could be her it could not be, there is really no way of completely verifying anybody's identity on the internet.

[aFrenchie]

Ah huh she's a fake, signed her name Alizee and not Alizée!
Haha, I laughed out loud myself when I saw the missing "é". Absurd! Alizée sure wouldn't type an simple "e" instead :D. Simply impossible. From a French, it would be like an American typing Ameryca instead of America :D

I just received this:
VHello...
I saw "moi-alizee.us" and I must tell, that's very good site =) but when I saw messages about my MySpace site, I was surprised... I know, that many people (my fans too) think...that I'm not really Alizee... that's their opinion, and I don't want to thieve it... but I'm really Alizee =) but now I had lost my smile...
And I have some answers for questions on
"moi-alizee.us"...
1. on MySpace I write in english, cause I want to learn some new things...and to speak english with people is the one possibility how can I learn english...
2. many people speak english, and they don't understand french...and many of them want from me, if I can speak in english with them...

If you want, you can post this message on "moi-alizee.us"...

Have a nice day...

Alizee
It's getting more and more stupid now.
First of all I'm more and more certain that it's not even an English written by a French people. That guy is obviously from another country, and maybe even an English speaking person trying to simulate a bad English!
Her (or his!) way to try to "improve" her English in that stupid myspace account is truly lame!
The way (s)he's defending herself in that reply is absolutely pathetic, not the way the real Alizée would do it, if everything was true!

At last, to fake Alizee (with no é! :D), if you're reading this: can you tell us exactly the same text in C-4's quote above in your perfect native French please? :rolleyes:
I was going to comment on the accents as well, they're missing from Mylène and Jérémy in the 3rd album blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74556822&blogID=191429663&MyToken=28d94d1d-5128-4c11-a7d8-a4eb7889a18c), normally not that big of an issue but on a French keyboard they are so easy to type why leave them off?
That is impossible that Alizée "forgets" those accents indeed!
And the accent was put on Châtelain which is weird, why just that one?
Copy-pasting, because (s)he doesn't even know how to spell that very strange name!!! :D

[Seapaddler]

I sent an email to myspace.com, this user is in violation of myspaces's User Agreement by using a last name in their profile i.e. http://www.myspace.com/alizee_jacotey. I asked they investigate the possibility of an imposter and to act appropriately.

[brad]

haha .. i dont think it is her at all, but wouldn't it be tragic if it ended up being her and we manage to get her myspace shut down .. that would be classic. just another reason for the French to hate America :p

[atra201]

may be they can know the ip and where it is from and if from corsica we'll all shut up.

[CFHollister]

Hey aFrenchie,

How, I'm not sure of the right word here..."insulting" is it to leave the accent off of Alizee's name (see I did it just now)? I've been doing it as a matter of expediency but if there's some hidden connoation I'm missing here, I'll be sure to correct it.

[aFrenchie]

wouldn't it be tragic if it ended up being her and we manage to get her myspace shut down
Don't worry, you have one chance on one million that it's her ;). And if it was her, myspace could have some hints to know about it and not shut it down anyway. And I would add that even with no proof at all, they'll probably give her the benefit of the doubt (<- is that English??) and never shut it down anyway...

just another reason for the French to hate America
Brad, believe me the French in general don't hate America or the American people. There may be some jerks to do it with no reason, but just like you can find jerks everywhere

Brad, your 1,000th post! :blink:

Hey aFrenchie,

How, I'm not sure of the right word here..."insulting" is it to leave the accent off of Alizee's name?
Certainly not, especially if you're not French. It's just like me making mistakes in English :). What I meant is that a French won't ever do that mistake, and even less so Alizée when writing her own name! It would be like an American making such enormous mistakes in English (my "Ameryca" example above...)

[DJ_Greg]

Brad, believe me the French in general don't hate America or the American people. There may be some jerks to do it with no reason, but just like you can find jerks everywhere

This is a common misrepresentation perpetuated by a certain segment of the American population. Every French person (or American who has spent significant time in France) that I've asked has agreed with you and said it's absolutely false.

[brad]

wow .. 1000 posts. i didn't realize I was even close .. lol

and I know that the French don't hate Americans (just like Americans don't hate the French). Like you said, wherever you go, you can find a jerk.

[CFHollister]

wow .. 1000 posts. i didn't realize I was even close .. lol

and I know that the French don't hate Americans (just like Americans don't hate the French). Like you said, wherever you go, you can find a jerk.

Yeah, but it seems like both the United States and France are good places to look for jerks... both are countries with a proud heritage and people that take a lot of pride in their country and culture. It's just so easy for pride to cross the narrow line into being a jerk. As a point of historical irony, I can think of no two countries which owe each other's very existence to the other more than the United States and France: there's no realistic way (I believe) the American Revolution would have succeded if it not for Napoleon tying up the majority of English military power in Europe, and of course there's the leading role the US took in the liberation and reinstatement of France during WWII. Sure it's a simplification, but from that perspective France and the US should be bosom pals. In today's world, you probably wouldn't have one without the other.

Maybe when Alizee retires from being a superstar she could be an ambassador:p Hey, Shirley Temple did it.

[cane17]

I sent an email to myspace.com, this user is in violation of myspaces's User Agreement by using a last name in their profile i.e. http://www.myspace.com/alizee_jacotey. I asked they investigate the possibility of an imposter and to act appropriately.

Noooooo shes on my friends list.lol :eek: :wub:

[bhash875]

Nurvonic I am with you send me your private email address and I will send you a copy of the email she sent me.
regards Bill see friends list----http://www.myspace.com/billhash7

[rwd716]

Brad, believe me the French in general don't hate America or the American people. There may be some jerks to do it with no reason, but just like you can find jerks everywhere
I believe you when you say that, but there's a b.s. ominous force that wants to tell me that we are at odds with the French, or at least they wouldn't accept me over there. Any time I mention my interest in France to my friends or family they always say, "But I don't think they really like us." Am I the only one here who's had a similar experience?

Certainly not, especially if you're not French. It's just like me making mistakes in English :). What I meant is that a French won't ever do that mistake, and even less so Alizée when writing her own name!
Is that how you would refer to a single French person--a French. That sounds awkward, but I don't really know how you'd say that. The only thing I can think of is Franc, but then it sounds like I'm talking about the money type of Franc or the Francs and the Turks back in the Dark Ages. :confused:

[nurvonic]

Nurvonic I am with you send me your private email address and I will send you a copy of the email she sent me.
regards Bill see friends list----http://www.myspace.com/billhash7


i sent you a private message

should i hold my breath?

[bhash875]

JUst went back and read your reply am sending you a copy now and let me know if it should be shared with the forum okay

[nurvonic]

alright man. if we do, im sure aFrenchie and everyone is gonna explain away how fake it is...lol

ill have to see for myself

[jaco]

I believe you when you say that, but there's a b.s. ominous force that wants to tell me that we are at odds with the French, or at least they wouldn't accept me over there. Any time I mention my interest in France to my friends or family they always say, "But I don't think they really like us." Am I the only one here who's had a similar experience?


Is that how you would refer to a single French person--a French. That sounds awkward, but I don't really know how you'd say that. The only thing I can think of is Franc, but then it sounds like I'm talking about the money type of Franc or the Francs and the Turks back in the Dark Ages. :confused:

If we go back enough in history I'm sure we'll all find some reason to hate each other... The Franks can hate the Normans, but hey, eventually even they managed to find common ground and join forces to massacre those damns turks in the holy land.... Even now as we glimpse over the abyss and we watch hatred and war consume our world.. we are still not having the right discussions...

.... Why is the American evening news discussing the semantic differences between "civil war" and "sectarian violence" ??? I have to say that as someone with Iraqi roots I am offended that the American media would trivialize this issue in this manner.... People are dying!! .. You can't just pull your troups back like the Democrats would have you do... this country is in serious trouble and the liberals fighting for this country need American backing. If the democrats pull out and abandon the Iraqi moderates, then I predict that this will haunt you for the next 20 years....

We should be talking about the great things the Islamic empires have accomplished for the world in the past, like Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi) who invented algebra, and the many more Islamic inventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inventions) that have shaped the world...

There is NO clash of civilizations, there is only the clash between conservative bigots and progressives. If there's one thing I've learned it's that Muslims are more interested in business than in fundamentalist religious jibber jabber...

As an Arab European ( I have a Dutch passport) I truly hope that America will support alternative energy sources, so that my home will be released from the oil curse. I would ask one thing from my American friends... don't abandon us just because the realists or the Democrats ask you to do so.... You followed their advice through the 80s and 90s and they brought you al-Qaeda. The rest of the world needs you to see through the bullshit of George Bush and still keep your responsibility.. Bush might have been wrong on many things but one thing he was not wrong on was that if you show these fundamentalists any mercy they will retaliate without mercy... I for one hope the American people will never give up their principles in this matter...

[bhash875]

I thought you went to my myspace site and I was waiting for an email

anyway should it be shared?? Just think of the possibility!!!!!!!!

[brad]

share it !!

even if it isnt her, it is fun to pretend :D

[nurvonic]

I thought you went to my myspace site and I was waiting for an email

anyway should it be shared?? Just think of the possibility!!!!!!!!

LOL..wow i think this will create even more controversy. i get that little feeling in the pit of my stomach at the thought that its actually her and thats shes really coming...but in the back of my mind, its just an imposter

RE: salut
Body: Hello =) I have in plan to visit US...but not as a singer... I want in US to celebrate X-mas =) But nobody knows... it can happen that i will have small X-mas concert =)

let the 'oh shits' begin..lol

[bhash875]

Nov 30 2006 5:25 AM Flag spam/abuse [ ? ]
Subject: RE: salut
Body: Hello =) I have in plan to visit US...but not as a singer... I want in US to celebrate X-mas =) But nobody knows... it can happen that i will have small X-mas concert =)

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Bill
Date: Nov 25 2006 7:57 AM


HI just discovered you a month ago. As many have told you your music is beautiful I hope you have not retired and I hope any plans for a third album are successful.
Best wishes to you, Annie and Jeremy(lucky guy!). Please come and visit us here in the United States as a performer . You have many fans Alizee here in the United States and after a tour I am sure you would have many more So may I be a friend on yur list? merci
Je suis enchantee du faire votre connaisance

[garçoncanadien]

rwd716, "to a French" is a mistake on aFrenchie's part. The grammatically correct way to say that in French is à un(e) français(e)" which does not include the word "person". There is no such thing as "Frenchman" in French.

it should be "To a French person" or "to a Frenchman". You are right rwd716 :)

[bhash875]

Note the time that Alizee replied 5:25 A.M. Now I am online early in the morning and I am in the eastern time zone new jersey to be exact. If the message was sent me at 5:25 am what would be the time in Gay Paree Paris :-0 or Corsica approximately same time?
I am out of time tonight maybe I will chec k back before bed okay sleuths time wise with a reply m,ade by Alizee to me at 5:25 am what would the time be in Paris France

P.S. If I was a faker I think I would have the time to reply more quickly than the real Alizee would so let the doubting thomas's consider that as well there was a 5 day spread in reply

[aFrenchie]

I believe you when you say that, but there's a b.s. ominous force that wants to tell me that we are at odds with the French, or at least they wouldn't accept me over there. Any time I mention my interest in France to my friends or family they always say, "But I don't think they really like us." Am I the only one here who's had a similar experience?
I know we have a bad reputation in the US, and along with that the wrong idea that we don't like Americans, but did those friends / family members actually come to France and live there a certain time?

Is that how you would refer to a single French person--a French. That sounds awkward, but I don't really know how you'd say that. The only thing I can think of is Franc, but then it sounds like I'm talking about the money type of Franc or the Francs and the Turks back in the Dark Ages.
Must be my bad English but I don't understand what you're telling me or asking me? :confused: And garçoncanadien's reply doesn't even help me! :confused: Can you guys explain me what you're talking about?

Hello =) I have in plan to visit US...but not as a singer... I want in US to celebrate X-mas =) But nobody knows... it can happen that i will have small X-mas concert =)
So whhhaaaaaat??? I expected some proofs. This little message reinforce me even more in the idea that it's fake!
That just looks like something that a fake personality would randomly invent, so much that it's laughable to me! And I guess that Alizée will have better things to do in France with her 3rd album by Xmas instead of trying small concerts in the US where she's almost unknown!! :D
More seriously, and once again, it doesn't sound like some wrong English done by a French person at all! Believe me, I can recognize a French person immediately in any English forum! By that I mean that when a foreigner makes grammar mistakes in another language, you'll actually always find out that he's using the syntax of his own language in the foreign language. For example in this text, "I want in US to celebrate X-mas" would mean that in French, (s)he would say "Je veux aux USA fêter Noël", which is absolutely wrong and weird and dissonant, etc. It would be "Je veux fêter Noël aux USA". I can't tell you which language uses that order in the sentence, maybe RMJ could say that, but it's certainly not in French!

[garçoncanadien]

Eastern Standard Time 9:06PM = Paris 3:06AM

[garçoncanadien]

aFrenchie, "to a French" ne se dit jamais en anglais :). Oui, je sais que la phrase "à un(e) français(e)" est juste en français, mais il va falloir ajouter "person" après "French" - ça c'est la règle.

Si la nationalité se termine par une voyelle, il ne faut pas ajouter "person" après la nationalité.
To a Chinese
To a Japanese
To an Israeli
To a Portuguese



Si la nationalité se termine par une consonne, il va falloir ajouter "person" après la nationalité. Des exemples:

To a Turkish person
To a British person
To a French person
To a Swedish person
To a Spanish person
To a Greek person
To a Danish person

Si la nationalité se termine par "ian", il ne faut pas ajouter "person".

To a Canadian
To an American
To an Iranian

J'éspère que je t'ai aidé :D stp n'hésite pas de nous demander plus de questions parce que nous sommes ici pour t'aider :D

and if there were mistakes here correct me too! :)

[bhash875]

Damn I have a wedding to edit!
My productivity is dropping !
I wonder what effect Alizee has on french productivity.
So if this was the real Alizee than it would approximately been 1:00 Pm
in Paris .

If this person is a fake than they replied to me at approximately 5:00 am
e.s.t. If this person was in the U.S. or Canada than they replied to me five o'clock in the morning or earlier moving west the clock goes backwards. Here is the conclusion I will draw : (By the way a lot of you make some really nasty comments with no respect for your fellow fan members opinions) It certainly is possible this IS NOT Alizee however I am beginning to feel that the person is in Europe at least

[nurvonic]

So whhhaaaaaat??? I expected some proofs. This little message reinforce me even more in the idea that it's fake!
That just looks like something that a fake personality would randomly invent, so much that it's laughable to me! And I guess that Alizée will have better things to do in France with her 3rd album by Xmas instead of trying small concerts in the US where she's almost unknown!! :D
More seriously, and once again, it doesn't sound like some wrong English done by a French person at all! Believe me, I can recognize a French person immediately in any English forum! By that I mean that when a foreigner makes grammar mistakes in another language, you'll actually always find out that he's using the syntax of his own language in the foreign language. For example in this text, "I want in US to celebrate X-mas" would mean that in French, (s)he would say "Je veux aux USA fêter Noël", which is absolutely wrong and weird and dissonant, etc. It would be "Je veux fêter Noël aux USA". I can't tell you which language uses that order in the sentence, maybe RMJ could say that, but it's certainly not in French!

thats not a very convincing argument, not to me at least. i think we need more than text mistakes youre giving us, and she needs to put out more info proving its her. otherwise, you cant really prove that it isnt her, and she cant prove that it is her

unless Alizee herself makes a video appearance saying that thats her myspace page, all arguments hold no water

[bhash875]

Oh boy isn't great all the time we are wasting on this lol :) ;)

well my vote is with Nurvonic and nyah nyah I've got Alizee on my friend's list
http://www.myspace.com/billhash7

[rwd716]

I know we have a bad reputation in the US, and along with that the wrong idea that we don't like Americans, but did those friends / family members actually come to France and live there a certain time?

Must be my bad English but I don't understand what you're telling me or asking me? :confused: And garçoncanadien's reply doesn't even help me! :confused: Can you guys explain me what you're talking about?


No, I'd have to say that they are quite ignorant when it comes to France or any foreign countries for that matter, lol. When I question them as to why they think that, it's always a friend of a friend went there once and they didn't like it. That's why I'm taking your word for it. I was still curious as to what others had heard from their acquaintances though.

In defense of other Americans, I have talked to a few sergeants at work (who are my friends, so I guess I can't say all of my friends are ignorant) that have had the opportunity to be stationed in Europe. And they had nothing but positive things to say about France. Actually, once someone made a comment about "cheese-eating, liberal Frenchies" and the tech sergeant corrected them by asking if they had ever been to France or had even seen someone from France. That really impressed me comming from someone who has been in the military most of their life. We too (American military) get stereotyped. Everyone thinks that the military is a buch of *cough* Texas gun-slinging hicks. We really aren't as hard-ass, rough neck as TV makes us out to be. Don't get me wrong, we still kick ass and take names, but there's much more personality and diversity than meets the eye.

To the other part of your post, I was asking about when you said "a French." I know you're aFrenchie, lol, but I was just wondering what the singular form of French person was. I knew there was another word that I just couldn't think of. All good though, Frenchman was what I couldn't think of.

[Twitch]

well my vote is with Nurvonic and nyah nyah I've got Alizee on my friend's list
http://www.myspace.com/billhash7
All arguments aside if I had a myspace account I would probably try and get her on my friend's list too. It just looks great, and besides like I said before you really can't prove or disprove someone's identity on the internet so why not? And even though the odds are better that it is an imposter, Alizée might send a message to everyone on the accounts friend list to straiten everything out when shes finds out about the account (although if any messages were sent it would probably be a generic automated one).

[neoteny]

Nov 30 2006 5:25 AM Flag spam/abuse [ ? ]
Subject: RE: salut
Body: Hello =) I have in plan to visit US...but not as a singer... I want in US to celebrate X-mas =) But nobody knows... it can happen that i will have small X-mas concert =)

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Bill
Date: Nov 25 2006 7:57 AM


HI just discovered you a month ago. As many have told you your music is beautiful I hope you have not retired and I hope any plans for a third album are successful.
Best wishes to you, Annie and Jeremy(lucky guy!). Please come and visit us here in the United States as a performer . You have many fans Alizee here in the United States and after a tour I am sure you would have many more So may I be a friend on yur list? merci
Je suis enchantee du faire votre connaisance

WHAT THE DEUCE! bhash, do you really believe this email to be authentic? im still not convinced!!! but dammit, im little excited about it. oh the agony...

[Kik045]

Obviously not her. Those grammar errors are like, ridiculously intentional. Also:
-I've seen all those pics but this one (which is cute, but apparently old) (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=74556822&imageID=1114407965)
-There's a pic of her holding her baby, and her face is mosaiced out. I doubt she'd post a picture like that. (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=74556822&imageID=1074093134)
-Wouldn't her profile be a music profile rather than a regular one?
-Almost every single artist has their record label somewhere on their Top 8, this person's is really random.
-If it were her, the other Alizee profiles would be deleted. Myspace does that. (if you post your own band page so you can add a band's song to your profile, it gets deleted) And they haven't been.
-I feel like her website would be back up before her myspace
-I feel like she'd confirm that it was actually her myspace. with a video or something. like Vanessa Hudgens (http://myspace.com/vanessahudgens)
-her url wouldn't be /alizee_jacotey. it'd be /alizee. or MAYBE /alizeejacotey

etc etc


sorry to be such a killjoy =P

[Sir Wood]

Funny how some folks believe that to actually be her and if it really is I apologize. ;) It's probably our old forum member CyberSoil. :rolleyes:

Most people of fame would want to remain anonymous to keep the fan-boys and name droppers away. I think I heard where Jessica Simpson even has a MySpace account but she goes by a different nickname.

If I was famous like that I too wouldn't let people know who I am, especially on such a public site. I'd want people to know me on there, not that I have an account, for just my personality behind the cyberwall and not some famous person.

Besides, if she wants to get to know people, she would have her offical site re-opened and update and address her fans in that fashion.

But hey, I guess everyone needs some kind of "hope" to hold on to...

[bhash875]

It's all academic anyway and speculation I do know that one person on her site says it is her because Manuela is a real person and went to a concert with Alizee and Jeremy. Why would a famous model (from Italy)
belong to a fake site. I have seen the Manuela site. So there!

[bhash875]

regarding cybersoil ? is he from europe?

[aFrenchie]

thats not a very convincing argument, not to me at least. i think we need more than text mistakes youre giving us, and she needs to put out more info proving its her. otherwise, you cant really prove that it isnt her, and she cant prove that it is her
unless Alizee herself makes a video appearance saying that thats her myspace page, all arguments hold no water
Wow, you're kidding nurvonic! Please, tell me you're kidding! :confused:
Sorry, but that text is only to add to all the evidences on the myspace site that we already talked about.
Her "Alizee" with no accent for example is already a HUUUUUGGE proof that it can't be her, trust me! I don't know your first name nurvonic but if it was, say, Steven, would you write it "Stiven" all the time on your blog or in your mails (3 times in the message to C-4) with no reason? I swear that it's that serious for a French to not put that damn accent! And even more so from Alizée, writing her own first name, no less! This is simply i.m.p.o.s.s.i.b.l.e.!
Also seriously, do you really think that she would talk about those concerts in the US to someone she absolutely doesn't know, that she will never meet, I could add that isn't even French, while she can't even give a tiny bit of info about her 3rd album and anything else? And she would be making an entire site with not even one section in French for her French audience, that is the one which will decide on her new success to come?
I don't want to be harsh, but if you believe in all those bullshits, you're really extremely naive. Sorry to say that roughly...

Also if "she" really wanted to prove she's not fake, and now that "she" has seen that forum and has even read that very thread, why the hell doesn't "she" register here to tell us? We would have "her" IP already, and "she" could explain either in English or in French :). No wonder that it won't ever happen!
well my vote is with Nurvonic and nyah nyah I've got Alizee on my friend's list
If you're proud to exhibit an impostor, then good for you...
By the way bhash875, can you provide us the IP of the message you received please?

[Seapaddler]

This imposter is getting the reaction they want, it's like a remote forum troll. Giving this myspace user any credibility is just swelling his or her head.

Alizée has more class than this, she wrote a hand written letter and sent it to nidalizee.com when the rumors were out of control several months ago. She did not open a myspace account and provide confusing speculation to reach fans. She would not use such a ridiculous venue as this.

Sit back and look at this rationally, logically and listen to aFrenchie! :)

[garçoncanadien]

also, aFrenchie is not the only French person who has that opinion :)

[aFrenchie]

Now you make me look even more at that website. And wow: how could you think that instead of uploading only fresh photos of her taken in 2006, she would be posting not only very old pics all available on the net until 2004 at best, but some of them even taken by paparazzi that she was fighting and condemning with a passion?
If it's not a 100% proof that it's not her for you, then sorry, there's nothing more I can do! :(

[neoteny]

dont you guys ever sleep...

[Seapaddler]

My brain is wired to my PC while I'm sleeping and does the typing from thought process only. It's the new trend in peripherals. :D

Yes the input from all the French speaking forum members speaks volumes that this is not a native French speaker navigating English.

I concur, Alizée using paparazzi images for her personal use? ROTFLMAO 1000% doubtful.

[neoteny]

oh..........

[bhash875]

no as I emailed Brad this was all through my space

[bhash875]

Someone was making the point of her not sighning with the accent
but on the myspace site the accent is on her name se la vie

[husky-holger]

Hi,

@bhash875 and nurvonic
I wonder if you tried to backtrack the email you got. At least you could find out from which country it comes, maybe which server was used.
It could give you a clue if it's fake or real.

Somebody wrote that Alizée would first use her official homepage (moi-alizee.com) to post some news. But I think the most of you know that this domain belongs to LB, not Alizée.

In the german forum (alizee-forum.com) somebody had contact with the person of this mystery myspace blog and he said that the webmaster of this blog was the old webmaster of the still closed moi-alizee.com homepage. I don't know, only some suggestions...

Holger

[Seapaddler]

I guess I didn't read the posts thoroughly, was this an actual email or an internal "email" between myspace users? If it was the latter there would be no headers indicating what server the mail came from because obviously it would come from the myspace server. If it was the former than yeah absolutely check the email headers.

[aFrenchie]

Someone was making the point of her not sighning with the accent
but on the myspace site the accent is on her name se la vie
Grrreat! :cool: :)
In the german forum (alizee-forum.com) somebody had contact with the person of this mystery myspace blog and he said that the webmaster of this blog was the old webmaster of the still closed moi-alizee.com homepage. I don't know, only some suggestions...
Rumors are getting even more stupid everyday. So that webmaster would be usurping her name now and doing all that shit in her back? What kind of guy would that be? And once again the author of that site is blatantly NOT French!

[husky-holger]

That's my opinion too. It can't be the same author. He would blame himself and get problems. Rumors... I posted that on the german forum too.

[O Rly]

It's not her. Why would she make a MYSPACE profile? I don't know, but i think that you'd probably use something else in France, no?

[mibir]

Why is this thread still going? All of you know how private Alizée is. There is no way in hell this is her. Give it up.

[C-4]

Wow! I had no idea this much speculation and microscopic inspection would happen! I do apologize for uploading the quote from the page and causing this to escalate into what it has become.
I am a novice with the net, and obviously there are MANY members here who look at the net with a more far-reaching eye then I could ever do. I am glad such educated members are here.

As was pointed out by aFrenchie and others here with the knowledge and wisdom I do not possess, there are certain signs which point to speculation by our forum members here that give reason why some may hesitate to believe this is Alizée.

I only opened a MySpace account because of the fact that it was pointed out to me on this forum and was about Alizée. I would not have even thought of opening such an account otherwise. I left an honest, heart-felt message to Alizée because of my love of her music and all things Alizée, as we all do.

I am not a religious person who preaches like some people I have met in my life, but this reminds me of the way Christ was treated with speculation during his time. I know this is not in the same vain, but hopefully those of you who are reading this will understand the simple anagoly I am trying to make. Please don't blow this up as John Lennon's analogy comparing Christ to the Beatles was done. It is only meant to show how people may react, and nothing more.

I have always trusted people and taken them at their word, until they prove to me otherwise. I had no idea that I would be asked to have Alizée ask to join my page or whatever it is called. It is good that some here have decided to be apprehensive and not believe that it is Alizée as I could see fever-like mania overtaking us all at the drop of a hat if we all thought that Alizée would be as open as the MYSpace incident has been.

However, I have no reason to doubt this person so far and I am treating this as though it may possibly, in my wildest dreams and expectations, actually be Alizée. I am writing to her as I would converse with any other famous person...just like I would if they are not famous...in a casual regular way.

As a side note, my wife was very friendly with Bruce Springsteen and actually worked out in a local gym with him and went to local clubs with Bruce for several years where we are from. I have also met and associated with other personalities and have always treated them as equals, nothing more. This seems to make them more accessable and down-to-earth in our conversations and they do not feel intimidated because I am just treating them as an equal and not placing them on a pedistal in my actions or speech.

If this is not Alizée, there is no harm done, and if it is Alizée, I feel that I will have been able to converse with a person I hold in high esteem. There is no loss either way.

I am taking a positive view about this. In any event, this is the most exciting thing to happen to me in quite a long time. Who am I to ruin the possibility that I am actually conversing with her?!

[nurvonic]

Wow, you're kidding nurvonic! Please, tell me you're kidding! :confused:
Sorry, but that text is only to add to all the evidences on the myspace site that we already talked about.
Her "Alizee" with no accent for example is already a HUUUUUGGE proof that it can't be her, trust me! I don't know your first name nurvonic but if it was, say, Steven, would you write it "Stiven" all the time on your blog or in your mails (3 times in the message to C-4) with no reason? I swear that it's that serious for a French to not put that damn accent! And even more so from Alizée, writing her own first name, no less! This is simply i.m.p.o.s.s.i.b.l.e.!
Also seriously, do you really think that she would talk about those concerts in the US to someone she absolutely doesn't know, that she will never meet, I could add that isn't even French, while she can't even give a tiny bit of info about her 3rd album and anything else? And she would be making an entire site with not even one section in French for her French audience, that is the one which will decide on her new success to come?
I don't want to be harsh, but if you believe in all those bullshits, you're really extremely naive. Sorry to say that roughly...

Also if "she" really wanted to prove she's not fake, and now that "she" has seen that forum and has even read that very thread, why the hell doesn't "she" register here to tell us? We would have "her" IP already, and "she" could explain either in English or in French :). No wonder that it won't ever happen!

If you're proud to exhibit an impostor, then good for you...
By the way bhash875, can you provide us the IP of the message you received please?


i never said i believed it was her...ok maybe i did, but i was drunk..lol

i will say no more...