[False Alarm] Alizée Forum has closed [Archive]

Ray4AJ

08-08-2014, 08:00 PM

EDIT - It re-opened temporarily

Sad news in Alizée-land today, the owner of Alizée Forum has closed the site.

I don't know all the history of the Alizée fan forums, but I have visited there daily to see other views. It's a big loss to the fan community and I'm sorry to see it go.

Dear Alizee Fans,
I really wanna put this short. As you know I founded this forum and the website long long ago. In 2012. It was a great success and many people loved it and still do. But theres a point in life that I can not put enough time into this piece of hard work and decided to close it. Thanks to all the fans and friends I met! Writing this makes me sad in a way. But life goes on. Thanks to all of you!

For now, you can dicuss and get the latest information about Alizee on our Facebook Page.

If you are interested in this domain, forum etc, feel free to contact me as I will be selling it all. The forum is not deleted at all, its kept in a safe place. So do not worry.

Contact Info: webmaster AT alizee - forum DOT com

Later, Riccardo

http://www.alizee-forum.com/

ALS

08-08-2014, 08:16 PM

Like you I visited it weekly and have noticed over the last few months that things were slowing down on the forum. It is always sad that one of Alizée's fan sites decides to call it quits. Hopefully one of their members will take over and bring it back to its glory days.

Un-rêve

08-08-2014, 08:20 PM

Alizée Forum has been a part of my life almost as long as Alizée has. I really dunno what to say, but I will really miss that place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ginx7WKq5GE

george007

08-08-2014, 11:52 PM

Now if we could get someone to buy the domain and keep the forum running, that would be great.

Lucas

08-09-2014, 01:54 AM

would be interesting to find how much he would like to get for the site/forum :13:

However I expect nothing cheap... I will ask

Jenny_HRO87

08-09-2014, 04:39 AM

I had such a nice Crime Show Friday yesterday and then one of my friends texted me that the forum has closed. What a great way to start the weekend... Well sure it was a bit calm lately but it's also summer, Alizée was on holiday too... sure, there were a lot more people years ago. But it had been like this for a while already and it never was the big deal.

What I don't like about this is the way all this happened. I mean yesterday Riccardo wrote something on facebook that he wanted to sell the place (but he didn't say anything about this in the forum itself... not everyone checks fb daily! I only read the update by accident) and suddenly he closes it down? Without warning?

Sure it's expensive. I understand that. But I just don't like this from-one-day-to-the-next thing.

Well I'm currently trying to sort my Alizée collection from the past few years ... so now the topics are all gone that's going to be fun...

I just feel like someone just kicked me out of my home and now I don't know where to go.

P. S. RMJ opened a new forum here: http://www.alizeeart.com/forums/

Scruffydog777

08-09-2014, 04:50 AM

Of course that's really unfortunate for Alizee as well as the members of AF. I've posted over there numerous times in the past and I've even met some of their members in Paris. Hopefully someone will come forward and takeover the forum.

I wonder if they can carry on the same type of chat on Facebook that they did in the forum. If Facebook can't meet their demands, hopefully they will know they are more than welcome to come here.

I believe that in addition to the English section, they had sections for French and German speaking members. Of course French speaking members will be able to go elsewhere, but I'm wondering if their German speaking fans have any place else to go?

We've been lucky that Ben has kept this forum running over the years. We did make some changes a while back to reduce the operating costs and some current members have helped to take care of the smaller expenses that are left so hopefully this forum is in good shape for the time being.

Un-rêve

08-09-2014, 09:17 AM

Well I'm currently trying to sort my Alizée collection from the past few years ... so now the topics are all gone that's going to be fun...

Here's a link I posted a few weeks ago to the Alizée collection thread, it can still be accessed.. hope it helps you out.

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?14501-Your-Alizée-Collections/page15

Jacotey

08-09-2014, 09:26 AM

It's back, at least for some time
http://m.facebook.com/alizeeforum/posts/917644734916055

Jenny_HRO87

08-09-2014, 09:36 AM

Here's a link I posted a few weeks ago to the Alizée collection thread, it can still be accessed.. hope it helps you out.

http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?14501-Your-Alizée-Collections/page15

ah sorry I wasn't talking about this collection I was talking about all the files on my PC... I have no idea why I wrote collection instead of files. But well the forum is back for now.

I fear the main problem is that we don't have a lot of sponsors and Riccardo has to pay it all alone and it's getting to expensive.

Scruffydog777

08-09-2014, 09:45 AM

ah sorry I wasn't talking about this collection I was talking about all the files on my PC... I have no idea why I wrote collection instead of files. But well the forum is back for now.

I fear the main problem is that we don't have a lot of sponsors and Riccardo has to pay it all alone and it's getting to expensive.

Do you have any idea what his costs are? As I mentioned above, we made some changes to this forum to make it much cheaper to operate. Unfortunately we had to get rid of a very good video section, but we did what we had to do to make it affordable to run the forum, especially during lean times.

Ray4AJ

08-09-2014, 10:03 AM

False alarm! It has reappeared by popular demand! At least temporarily.

lefty12357

08-09-2014, 10:05 AM

Well I hope things get worked out over at AF. Hopefully a few more people will step up to fund the site. AF has been around so long and has been a mainstay in the world of Alizée forums. It would be a shame to lose it.

Lucas

08-09-2014, 10:08 AM

from email

"it costs around 100 euros the server im hosting it on, per month.etc..."

Scruffydog777

08-09-2014, 11:28 AM

That seems pretty high at a time, despite her success with DALS, that her forum popularity has been waning. We got our costs way down and I still think AAm is a pretty good forum, so maybe AF should try and lighten the load too. The main thing we need to keep is the discussion factor.

Un-rêve

08-09-2014, 01:43 PM

ah sorry I wasn't talking about this collection I was talking about all the files on my PC... I have no idea why I wrote collection instead of files. But well the forum is back for now.

OK nevermind, I just thought to post the link anyway to get you in the door. I had no idea the forum was up and running anyway ( :2_thumbs: ) at the time of my post as I was in a hurry to go out.

Merci Alizée

08-09-2014, 09:54 PM

I was shocked after reading thread title. Although I haven't been active on forums, it will be sad to see any of the top forums getting closed. Number of active members have decreased, but I dont think it's impractical to maintain such big forums. If Riccardo is finding it difficult to maintain the forum, then he should transfer it to some other member. Monthly costs can be managed, however one time payment for buying it Riccardo can be high. For now, it's great that AF is back.

Rev

08-09-2014, 10:11 PM

from email

"it costs around 100 euros the server im hosting it on, per month.etc..."

That seems VERY high. What are the specifications he requires the server to meet? :)

digimaze

08-11-2014, 03:04 AM

100 euros is VERY high. But one (or a group) of you could host it yourself with a static IP or DNS service. Keep in mind though that the traffic is very high on a forum and if the ISPs in your county have data caps (which is prevalent in the United States, among many other nations) it could get expensive or your ISP could shut you down.

Yes there are cost-effective offsite solutions and it couldn't be too much of a problem to re-locate the AF to one of them. As far as FILES (live clips, music vids & interviews) are concerned, that is the sole function of the Alizee Hub, and after over ten years of continuous operation, we ain't going away yet! (knock on wood).

I threw my support behind the Alizee America Forum a long time ago, and closed the Alizee Hub Forum down because I just didn't have time to run two Hubs AND a Forum. I like the way the Alizee America Forum is run and suggest it to people visiting my Hub as a "recommended site." In that light, I think that one possible solution would be a MERGER, with this Forum absorbing the database of AH as either a subset of AAF or transferring over the appropriate topics and assuming the membership list. Anyways,I'm just tossing out an idea to think about.....

Jazzmin

08-17-2014, 02:00 PM

So it's apparently not that much "false alarm", rather a delay of the inevitable.
I had to reconsider my decision upon so many fan requests and decided NOT to close the forum for now. I opened forum again at least until her concerts are done. Then we figure out how to finance the server it's costs.
Although that "at least" keeps me hopeful.

Scruffydog777

08-21-2014, 05:23 AM

I see they're looking to collect 140 euros for the month and have only received 5 so far. I might make a donation myself if some of their full time members step up.

Merci Alizée

08-22-2014, 03:57 AM

I see they're looking to collect 140 euros for the month and have only received 5 so far. I might make a donation myself if some of their full time members step up.

Not sure how well that feature works because I just donated 5 euros and it is still showing total as 5 only.

Scruffydog777

08-22-2014, 10:03 AM

It's something they should attend to because if people think nobody else is donating, they're more likely to not donate themselves.

I just donated 40 euros ($54), mainly because I think it's important to Alizée to keep this forum going.

Lucas

08-22-2014, 10:07 AM

"If you have donated, comment in this: donation thread*, so we may review it http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?26674"

Lili4ever

08-22-2014, 10:10 AM

i do not understand why is hosting the forum so expensive ?

Lucas

08-22-2014, 10:32 AM

Me not too. I know they had a classical website too, but now it is just a forum. Domain can't be so expensive, so maybe hosting eats so big money.

Scruffydog777

08-22-2014, 10:56 AM

Well hopefully they'll work to bring their costs down as AAm did.

Lucas

08-22-2014, 11:16 AM

well example Alizee-France is using a free forum (I think so), they just have own domain for it.

Rev

08-22-2014, 09:53 PM

I volunteer with a non-profit web site (and pay for it). It costs me $10 (less than 8 euros) a month. A more robust business package is $20 a month.

I checked the host I use. For $80 a month (60 euros), $60/month for first year, I could get a Dedicated Linux server with Unlimited bandwidth (although server connection is 100Mbit). (They also have a server deal for $60 = 45 euros). The server would have an Intel® Atom C2750. with 8 cores, 8GB RAM, and a 1,0000Gig (x2) hard drive configured in Raid 1.

As I said, 140 euros ($185) seems high. :)

Ray4AJ

11-15-2016, 05:51 AM

Looks like this has come up again.

hello guys, this is riccardo speaking, the owner and founder. I will be removing and or selling http://www.alizee-forum.com/ - Let me know if interested. Kind Regards

source : https://www.facebook.com/alizeeforum/posts/1539937972686725

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1432&stc=1&d=1479206971

Scruffydog777

11-15-2016, 09:15 AM

Every time I visit their forum, I find the level of activity, even in chat to be so low, I wonder why they keep running it. I'd be surprised if this wasn't true and was just a rumor, but if it is a rumor, it was probably deliberately put out there to see if there's any interest in someone taking over the forum. The worst part of it's closing would be I think we'd lose all the past posts, the history I guess you'd say of this forum.

Ray4AJ

11-17-2016, 05:53 AM

Closing at the end of the year...

http://www.alizee-forum.com

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1443&stc=1&d=1479379937

ALS

11-17-2016, 10:51 AM

It's sad but there are very few members left over there.

Plaz

12-12-2016, 10:38 PM

Man thats crazy im not gonna lie im a little sad... i remember being 15 joining the place back in 2004 my freshmen year of highscool. It was THE forum to be appart of back then. I eventually made the move here, but even though things didnt end well with me there.... i still have many more good/positive memories and glad about some of the friends i made there that i still keep in touch with occasionally. I remember staying up many nights as a teen and in college hanging out in the irc chat and doing graphics and just all the stuff you do when your in the early stages of fandom. I guess it was long over due though because when i last checked a few years back they didnt have many members. Respect to those who stayed till the end though. Like scruffy said it would be a shame to lose all those posts. I still will go through and read some of my old stuff and just think back to when a time in my life was different than now. I've definitely become a different person and recently just got out of Jail in October so i've definitely being doing a lot of reflecting on who i was and who i've become as a person and the Alizee forum and AAm definitely played a major role in a part of my life that not many know about. It was like my escape from reality from all the drugs and illegal activites that eventually progressed into a spiral that i could no longer control.

Scruffydog777

12-13-2016, 01:34 AM

It's good to hear from you Plaz. I reflected on recently how Alizée had meant so much in my life. For those who like her music, her looks, her as a person, she is a game changer. She brought so much happiness into my life, where before, there was none and it sounds like she did the same to you. I wish you the best!

EDIT: As far as Alizee forum. I've tried to make contact with them to see if maybe they'd be willing to sell their server or if there was some way to keep it going for at least the next 6 months, which I think are critical, but all attempts have failed.

Plaz

12-13-2016, 01:01 PM

I can get a hold of ricc for you. What's the best way for him to reach you?

Scruffydog777

12-13-2016, 06:52 PM

Probably through FB. I left a message on Ricc's fb page which I accessed through AF's fb page, but haven't heard back from him. Thanks Plaz.

Plaz

12-14-2016, 12:21 AM

He got back to me.

http://i.imgur.com/xPyj7Ef.jpg

Scruffydog777

12-14-2016, 03:31 AM

Great....maybe I can get in touch with him now.....Thanks Plaz!

Scruffydog777

12-16-2016, 05:39 AM

I sent Ricco a long letter via FB. I told him I think changes need to be made at AF. To just pump money into it, would do no good. There are reasons it's a ghost town now and it's not just because of Alizee. One change I'd like to see them make is maybe getting one or two of the newer members that had been posting of late to be admins in the forum. It needs some new blood such as the way when Ray came into this forum. This site probably would've faded away without him. Then they'd need to communicate, mainly to fans that have been posting in the past several months that things would be different.

They need to run a tight ship over there. Every week I would see arguments every day with insults being traded back and forth and that I feel was what drove people away. That's something I've certainly been one of the worst offenders of at times, but for the most part, I've tried hard to make this a better place to come to.

So I'll see if I can at least keep it going for at least a couple of months, until we can work some things out.

Of course if Alizee announced she was going to make another album, fans would come back in droves....problem solved or conversely if she announced she had a bun in the oven, that would probably be the end of AF and AAm.

My main reason for trying to keep AF going is if she sees one of her biggest fan forums closing, it might make her feel her fan base is drying up and would weaken any will she had to produce another album.

So I conveyed these thoughts to Ricco and he said he received it, but just got back from a trip and needs some time to think things over.

Scruffydog777

12-23-2016, 08:51 AM

Looks like me and Ricco have reached a tentative deal to keep AF open for the next 2 months. At least that gives us more time to see what plans she might come up with and see if he might want to sell the server at a reasonable price.

EDIT:

It's a done deal. AF will stay open for the first 2 months of the year!

ALS

12-23-2016, 03:01 PM

I have to agree Scruffydog on the need for new blood over on AF. It never was a bad forum but one or two members come to mind that ruined the board. They were bullies who felt the AF board revolved around their every word. Disagree with them and get ready for a Crap storm coming down on you. I never had any problems over there because I just ignored those few instigators. One in particular "major" fan you know who I'm talking about, is just a major Dick, and that is me being kind. That man did so much damage to that board by driving members out with his arrogant pompous know it all attitude.

Glad you and Ricco are going to give it a few more weeks hopefully Alizée may do something but my feeling is nothing is going to change with her singing career. She hitched her wagon to the DALS train, and she's going to ride it to the end.

Shepherd

12-23-2016, 06:46 PM

If Alizee becomes pregnant, as she has stated she wants to, for all practical purposes that will be the end of her career. If she is absent from public view for several years or even three or four months, what little of her fan base remains will evaporate. If she continues to pursue a career as a dancer, she will be nothing but a has-been, as she is now. A handful of fanatical fans, such as myself, will always be faithful, but . . . Even if she returns to singing, it won't be easy for her. I'm afraid she will wake up one morning in the not-too-distant future and realize: It's over.

Plaz

12-23-2016, 11:00 PM

Well done scruffy

Ray4AJ

12-24-2016, 01:26 PM

Yeah, when I became a fan Alizée-Forum didn't seem to me to be a very friendly place. That's why I settled here.

Yet there is a tremendous amount of information there that's worth keeping. Besides just being facts, there are many comments from fans who were living those times and they provided perspective on the events and situations in the Alizée fan world.

I don't know about these things but maybe the thread database could be saved and loaded into some kind of free hosted forum. There would be no members and no need for moderation or monitoring... Or everything would be locked... This would preserve the history in it's current format but not require constant monitoring or cost.

Maybe some members know if this is possible?

Scruffydog777

12-24-2016, 02:53 PM

Before Ricco had mentioned backing up the info, but he didn't say whether or not that info would be readily available.

He's going through a tough personal time, so now is not a good time to ask him about it. Later next month would be better.

Ray4AJ

12-24-2016, 03:23 PM

I was wondering more about the feasibility and technical aspects of such a plan for the future. Well, I'm not really wondering. It was just a thought.

Panther

12-24-2016, 03:42 PM

... One in particular "major" fan you know who I'm talking about, is just a major Dick, and that is me being kind. That man did so much damage to that board by driving members out with his arrogant pompous know it all attitude.

I know exactly who you are talking about and you are right: he did do a lot of damage. I think he also damaged the wider relationship between Alizee and her fans. It was the main reason I came over to this forum which was always much friendlier :)

Although I don't post here anymore I do look in now and again to see what's going on in 'Alizee world' and I still play her old CDs when I feel the need for a mood lift - and it still works! :aha:

AlphaDevil2

01-10-2017, 08:41 AM

Looks like I'm going to need a new spiritual home but then AF has been quiet for so long but I met some very good friends there most have moved on but I still talk to one or two of them.

Been going through a family crisis for the last 6 months but was gutted to hear about AF.

Scruffydog777

01-10-2017, 01:09 PM

Hey AlphaDevil2! You're certainly welcome here. I'm sorry to hear about your family crisis.

Your posting may be a stroke of luck. AF was scheduled to close at the end of 2016. I worked out a deal to keep it open for another 2 months. That will be a waste of time and money if the situation that led to that isn't changed and it will be interesting to hear the views of someone who was there often as opposed to me who would usually visit on a once a week basis.

It seemed like every time I would go there, I'd see insults left and right and sometimes threats. Well insults left and right might be an exaggeration. Most of the insults came from one or two sources. I've been one of the worst offenders over the years, but for the most part, have kept my temper under control, but like I said, these insults seemed to come from the same sources.

I think all members get tired of the bickering, not just the ones that post, but the ones who just observe. It seemed like little was done about it until the damage was done. Going to AF just became a bad experience. People want to hear news, thoughts, opinions on Alizee and in many cases wanted to argue, but there is a way to argue. You don't have to be insultive to make a point. If you are, you probably don't have a good point to begin with.

What I thought AF should do is they should add a couple of mods. These should be people who are in there every day posting. People who have good reputaions. People who wont go off the deep end and people who will be given the power to warn or to issue temporary or permanent bans. One thing we did in this forum is when warning or ban is issued, it comes from the forum, not the individual.

I mentioned these ideas to Riccardo and I should mention briefly he's going through a tough time too.

So it's good seeing you post here, so someone with a lot more experience there will hopefully offer their opinion on what they think is wrong and if it can be corrected.

I wanted to make a post in AF about what's going on but depending upon what you think, maybe you can make a post in AF on this subject and see what the response is there if any.

I also want to mention that I told Ricco I would become a mod there. I don't trust myself.

Of course if Alizee were to announce a new album, that would cure everything and it might be the only way AF can be saved, but I don't see anything on the horizon as far as that.

Jenny_HRO87

01-11-2017, 06:23 AM

Hello AlphaDevil! It's so nice to see a familiar face from AF! :)

I fear what really killed AF (personally I never felt any bad vibes there) was the fact that we suddenly weren't allowed to post download links anymore because Ricci used Google ads to pay for the server or sth. If you don't even know what you're allowed to post it doesn't help at all.

Also people just went away simply because they lost interest and in times of fb and Twitter a forum doesn't have the same appeal as in previous years. The German forum started dying even sooner and I have to admit I also stopped posting there because there were simply no responses and I could have more interesting conversations with my kitchen wall.

I do miss AF a lot. I always enjoyed the conversations there.

Paybays

01-11-2017, 08:30 AM

Haha, people... Alizée Forum is a great place if you would go back to 2002-2005 era... ALS in his 23 december post hits the nail on the head.

AlphaDevil2

01-11-2017, 09:43 AM

Hi Scruffy,

I think all members get tired of the bickering, not just the ones that post, but the ones who just observe. It seemed like little was done about it until the damage was done. Going to AF just became a bad experience. People want to hear news, thoughts, opinions on Alizee and in many cases wanted to argue, but there is a way to argue. You don't have to be insultive to make a point. If you are, you probably don't have a good point to begin with.

There were issues and bickering and trouble especially in the English section and it became a regular almost weekly even daily incidents of bickering that rightly does create a sour taste in members. Maybe all sides have got to accept that errors were made but as a mod you try and do what you believe is right and what is best for the forum. However it may have been a contributing factor I dont think this is why the forum is as it is now

What I thought AF should do is they should add a couple of mods. These should be people who are in there every day posting. People who have good reputaions. People who wont go off the deep end and people who will be given the power to warn or to issue temporary or permanent bans. One thing we did in this forum is when warning or ban is issued, it comes from the forum, not the individual.

In practice this is a good idea. However lets be clear there is practically no one on the forum these days. Even in the mod forum it is dead and in the chatterbox after the announcements of the closure by RQ there has only been three replies and one of them was from you and thats been a month now...

AF has been home for me since May 2006 and the fitness of it has been critical for several years now and with no one donating towards the upkeep of the forum (which several members did include me at one stage) and with Ricc only keeping the forum alive out of the kindness of his heart this day was always going to arrive.

But yes there isnt anyone visiting the forums irregularly yet alone alone regularly enough these days from what I can see to be able to promote anyone into mod status

Of course if Alizee were to announce a new album, that would cure everything and it might be the only way AF can be saved, but I don't see anything on the horizon as far as that.

Yes that would be the only chance the forum has but then again as you say that is unlikely.

Hello AlphaDevil! It's so nice to see a familiar face from AF! :)

I fear what really killed AF (personally I never felt any bad vibes there) was the fact that we suddenly weren't allowed to post download links anymore because Ricci used Google ads to pay for the server or sth. If you don't even know what your allowed to post it doesn't help at all.

Also people just went away simple because they lost interest and in times of fb and Twitter a forum doesn't have the same appeal as in previous years. The German forum started dying even sooner and I have to admit I also stopped posting there because there were simply no responses and I could have more interesting conversations with my kitchen wall.

I do miss AF a lot. I always enjoyed the conversations there.

Hi Jenny long time no see!

I think these are very good comments. Especially the one about Facebook and Twitter. back in the day when I was a newbie (I feel old now!) Fan sites were the primary source of information but now you can easily keep up with any information through social media platforms and its not as if there is the need to discuss any new information these days!

Paybays

01-11-2017, 10:05 AM

Alizée releasing a new album wouldn't fix anything if the same type of people keep coming to the forum. Alizée Forum was a great place to find other people who share the same interests, it was a great place to find companionship and friends. But that won't ever return even if Alizée would release a new album.

The ban-wave that has gone out from this so called "member" that no one wants to talk about, but everyone knows who it is, won't be undone and people like Plaz and me will always pull on the short end. The damage done to members and the damage caused by members won't be undone. People like Greenie and Mobulus who left in 2005 because of this person won't come back. Don't even know where they are, but I think about them once in a while. Yes there was trolling in times that Alizée didn't release anything or didn't show us anything. And not everyone is on Facebook or Twitter, I dispise the population of today. There won't ever be such a great relationship between Alizée and her fans thanks to members that decided to claim her and stalk her. The worshipping of members who are pure cancer to the Alizée community won't suddenly stop and those who are against the system will always be kicked down by new members until it's to late. The end result is a beautiful forum run by Riccardo, a friend I made, that has gone to shit. And it will repeat itself.

The excitement when Alizée released a note and the friends of Alizée that visited the forums once in a while, won't come back thanks to Facebook and Twitter. The magic that we prolonged and wanted to keep won't magicly return when Alizée releases a new album. Forums are obselete thanks to social media. It's a shame. Just as Jenny, which I contacted through twitter a few years ago, I miss Alizée Forum. But I do not miss certain members. A new start of Alizée Forum should result in unbanning everyone and try to run a well organised forum.

ALS

01-11-2017, 01:12 PM

Haha, people... Alizée Forum is a great place if you would go back to 2002-2005 era...

I learned so much about Alizée back in late 2004 early 2005 lurking on that forum.

What was a real eye opener was when I went back into the 2003 posts around the time she married Jeremy, the reaction it had on the members was a real eye opener.

The fans of Jeremy were tearing Alizée apart and Alizée's fans were tearing Jeremy apart. The worst was was when it was reveled that Alizée was pregnant with Annilly. You would have thought the world was coming to an end.

To some of the guys on that board it was like someone had stabbed them in the heart. I guess they were all hoping that Alizée would come to her senses and divorce Jeremy. Those hopes were dashed when it came out that Alizée was pregnant in 2004.

That was when the major exodus from that board began.

Paybays

01-12-2017, 02:22 AM

Well we were all in love and unexperienced back then. We tore Jeremy apart because we had no other way to vent our frustration. That was the forum back then and it wont really be like that right now.

A new and fresh singer is a great source of energy until that runs out. Most of the fight and outcome back then was specified by certain members. Shit began to hit the fan around 2005 following years of absence. I began trolling and mocking RMJ and Orion for their obsessive behavior towards Alizee and eachother. If others dont dare to name them then I will

Rev

01-13-2017, 12:59 AM

:omg:

:))

Scruffydog777

01-13-2017, 05:51 AM

ALS

01-13-2017, 11:16 AM

I actually got along very well with Orion. :D

Ronny on the other hand, as they say if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.

Paybays

01-13-2017, 11:46 AM

Well it sounds like from what regular AF members say that there's not much that can be done for that forum except for something to happen on Alizée's part. So I wont do anything more to try and save that forum and so I'm sure it will probably shut down at the end of next month. Que sera, sera.

your resillience is admirable... yet, you shouldn't even wait 2 months at all. Riccardo has his reason for shutting down and it's not even the first time he wanted to do this, probably his 12th or 13th time. Forums are not that fun and exciting anymore. I've been browsing the AF for over a year now and all I see is non-Alizée related topics. The archives have so much fun Alizée-threads and bashing in them, THAT should be on the frontpage instead of hoseracing and soccer.

Scruffydog777

01-14-2017, 08:25 AM

The deal we made was for two months so that's what it will be and AF will stay open through the end of February.

Paybays

01-14-2017, 12:53 PM

Let them unban those who have been unrightfully banned. Maybe that will make people come back

ALS

01-14-2017, 02:02 PM

Paybays, as a mod on two boards for several years (Non Alizée) in almost all cases people get themselves banned. Do some get banned unfairly, yes and that is usually the fault of the board owner.

I actually got banned from a financial board a few years ago for telling the new owner to quit acting like an asshole with his political views. Short version, guy buys a very successful board with 250-300 individual daily posters with total membership over ten thousand.

This clown had this view, that either you agree with me politically or I'll make your life hell and or ban you. With in a two years there were less than fifty posters, and in another two years less than 10 of his butt kissing members were posting per day period. The boards forum finally closed down last fall.

Here and AF I understand and agree with the need to remove the Trolls as quickly as possible. One major point is, never ever let one or a small group (Bullies) dictate the direction of the board contrary to the the rest of the members needs and wants.

Paybays

01-15-2017, 04:26 AM

I was exactly like you. I told RMJ and Orion to stop living in a dreamworld and to stop acting like she is the most important thing in the world. Resulted in a permanent ban. After that someone got hold of my account snd started trolling. Either way AF is doomed thanks to the great reputation with Alizee. One big final unban wave could save AF.

AlphaDevil2

01-15-2017, 06:56 AM

Well it sounds like from what regular AF members say that there's not much that can be done for that forum except for something to happen on Alizée's part. So I wont do anything more to try and save that forum and so I'm sure it will probably shut down at the end of next month. Que sera, sera.

I'm not trying to be negative about the future of AF, but I just cant really see anyway forward in which the forums can be saved. However saying that I am thankful that you tried to find a way to save it.

. Either way AF is doomed thanks to the great reputation with Alizee. One big final unban wave could save AF.

Even if there was this banning amnesty I really can't see how things will change. Most have moved on in their lifes/ reside on other forums and on Facebook and twitter as we have all said things have moved on.

comjoz

01-15-2017, 10:38 AM

Now, when it comes about some members of the AAm get banned, I think that could be reconsidered. I think that would be a good idea since there is not so much of activity on the board since long ago, and we know that some of our old members who were banned since long ago were much active then. Thus if their banned status is reconsidered, and perhaps canceled, they could get their active status to participate in the forums again. Thus we would get more active members on the AAm.
I know that there are many forums on the internet, and I know that it's not uncommon that a member who gets banned stays to be banned just for some period of time, and when that time expired he regains his active status again and he can continue to participate in the discussions on the forum again. Many forums on the internet have such a policy.
By the way, who is making decisions to ban a member at AAm? Perhaps he could cancel some of our old members banned status. Thus we could invite some of our old members who are interested to participate in the forums again.

Scruffydog777

01-15-2017, 01:24 PM

Banning doesn't come easily here and it's usually isn't an individual's decision to ban somebody, but it's discussed by 3 or more mods or at least that's how it was done when I was a mod. The members who have been banned usually did something serious either on one occasion or lesser things on several occasions. I think what it would take for the forum to let someone back in is evidence that the individual in question, has changed their ways. For example, if someone was banned from here, then became active in another forum such as AF, we could visit that forum and see what their "recent" track record is.

comjoz

01-16-2017, 04:39 AM

... I think what it would take for the forum to let someone back in is evidence that the individual in question, has changed their ways. For example, if someone was banned from here, then became active in another forum such as AF, we could visit that forum and see what their "recent" track record is.

I think that it would be very difficult to ascertain whether someone has changed their ways, and that simply because those members are not active posters in any of the Alizée related forums since long ago. And I think that is not necessary, and as far as I know there are many forums on the internet which have such a policy that their members are not banned for good, but are banned just for some period of time, and when that period of time expired they regain their active status regardless of any requirement, condition or anything.

Who is responsible to make decisions on this banning thing currently at our AAm? I think it'd be a good idea for him/they to consider to cancel banned status to our old members, and we could invite them to join discussions here again if they are willing to post here again.

Ray4AJ

01-16-2017, 06:25 AM

comjoz

01-16-2017, 07:57 AM

The number of members who have been banned here is quite small. I can only remember one or two regular members being banned in the nearly five years I have been a member, and I think one actually requested to be banned. If someone was banned in the past, they were probably given several chances to prove themselves, and it must not have been important enough to them to make the effort.

I would not expect to see any of the bans from 'the old days' lifted here.

There were some of them banned even much earlier than just in the previous 5 years, and some of them were much active, if I remember RMJ for example. And perhaps some others.
I really think it could be a good idea to think about that, and especially because of the circumstances that became obvious with our and other Alizée related forums. If some of them want to participate, let they express their desire to make a contact.

ALS

01-16-2017, 03:43 PM

The elephant in the room is this, those who left and haven't been around for awhile have moved on from Alizée. Those people are probably never coming back to the forum.

Scruffydog777

01-16-2017, 05:55 PM

Well everyone knows elephants love nuts, especially in the form of Nutella! Alizée could with one announcement lure that elephant out and members back in, but alas poor Yorik, that is something we probably wont know well.

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Ray4AJ

01-16-2017, 06:41 PM

The elephant in the room is this, those who left and haven't been around for awhile have moved on from Alizée. Those people are probably never coming back to the forum.

And of course there are all the long-time and newer members who visit the forum weekly or even daily and haven't posted in years or even ever. But I get it... Alizée has the power to keep 'em coming back, even if it's hard to think of things to say.

And I always get a laugh when reading a post like "Hey everyone, I haven't been here is ages... Where did everyone go?" Uh... Hello? #ittakestwo

Rev

01-21-2017, 02:04 AM

The number of members who have been banned here is quite small. I can only remember one or two regular members being banned in the nearly five years I have been a member, and I think one actually requested to be banned. If someone was banned in the past, they were probably given several chances to prove themselves, and it must not have been important enough to them to make the effort.

I would not expect to see any of the bans from 'the old days' lifted here.

Although not a Mod., I do remember several of the situations. One in particular was of a person that was given repeated opportunities to change their ways and simply escalated behavior until they were eventually banned. Why would they be invited back when there is no evidence of a sincere intention, and commitment, to behave differently? In my view, the forum took too long to act in that case. :)

Scruffydog777

02-21-2017, 03:19 PM

I notified Riccardo today I wont make any more attempts to keep AF open beyond the end of this month.

lapinschous

02-21-2017, 05:09 PM

After having been absent for almost 2 years and having considered moving on from Alizée after the Blonde album catastrophe, I have recently attempted a come back , mainly out of nostalgia ... only to see a devatastated Alizée-sphere, even the most loyal of fans having stepped in FRA's footsteps... oh so much has changed in those 2 years .

Even on Alizée France , everyone notices how , and I quote, " Alizées new family life combined with her lack of ambition following 5 and Blonde's commercial failures have hammered the last nail in the coffin of her musical career . With Danse avec les Stars and other TV appearances as last futile attempts to slow down the hearse in the last hundred yards before the cemetery."