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The image currently being used (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alizee.jpg) at the top of the Alizée article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliz%C3%A9e) will probably will probably be deleted in the near future because Wikipedia policies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use) dictate that we can't use fair use images if a free alternative could be created. I was wondering if anyone on this forum has any images of Alizée to which they own the copyright which they would be able to release for use on Wikipedia. The image would have to be released under a free license like a Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/) license. Thanks in advance!
zemasterzzz
11-28-2006, 04:22 PM
awww...but that's sucha good 1
DJ_Greg
11-28-2006, 04:26 PM
What implications, if any, does this have for Alizée America (pic at the top of the main page). Brad?
(Obviously, Wikipedia's rules don't apply here, but it's still a "fair use" issue...)
That's one of my favs too. :(
atra201
11-28-2006, 11:05 PM
The image currently being used (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alizee.jpg) at the top of the Alizée article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliz%C3%A9e) will probably will probably be deleted in the near future because Wikipedia policies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use) dictate that we can't use fair use images if a free alternative could be created. I was wondering if anyone on this forum has any images of Alizée to which they own the copyright which they would be able to release for use on Wikipedia. The image would have to be released under a free license like a Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/) license. Thanks in advance!
what the heck does that mean? :cool:
Sir Wood
11-29-2006, 07:48 PM
I don't understand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a promo pic and therefore "no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information" that is specific to the current pic being used?
If anything, could one of her album cover pic be used if Wiki still says the current pic falls outside their policy?
What about this statement:
"However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken."
Again, isn't a promo pic considered "freely-licensed?"
I don't understand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a promo pic and therefore "no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information" that is specific to the current pic being used?
If anything, could one of her album cover pic be used if Wiki still says the current pic falls outside their policy?
What about this statement:
"However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken."
Again, isn't a promo pic considered "freely-licensed?"
In the past promotional images were considered to be OK under Wikipedia's fair use guidelines. However, it's now been decided that if the article is about a living person, then promotional images are not OK, since a free alternative could be created. That's why I was hoping someone here has an image of Alizée they took themselves (at a concert or something) that they would be willing to allow for use on Wikipedia.
The old image has now been deleted, so for the moment, there is no image at the top.
Sir Wood
11-30-2006, 11:01 PM
Jessica would be the best candidate for that then. Send her an e-mail. ;)
rwd716
12-01-2006, 11:14 PM
If I had a personal pic of me w/ Alizée, I'd prolly rather not have it on Wiki. But that's just me.
aFrenchie
12-02-2006, 08:16 AM
If I had a personal pic of me w/ Alizée, I'd prolly rather not have it on Wiki. But that's just me.
My option too!
Twitch
12-02-2006, 03:14 PM
Hmm, does wiki allow you to photograph a photograph and post that? You would have to show it was a photograph of a photograph by including a border with some background info (white paper works nice). We had to do it once when we couldn't get the rights to publish a photograph for an article, so we photographed a book that had the photograph on its cover and showed that it was a photograph of the book(the estate that now owns the rights didn't like the tone of the article so refused to give the rights to the photograph for the article, but because it was published it existed in the public domain as a book cover, and it was a way of getting the use of the photograph without breaking any laws).
What implications, if any, does this have for Alizée America (pic at the top of the main page). Brad?
all of these images fall under "fair use" .. so we dont really have anything to worry about there. but for some reason I think wikipedia does not want to fall back on fair use if it doesn't have to?
DJ_Greg
12-02-2006, 06:58 PM
all of these images fall under "fair use" .. so we dont really have anything to worry about there. but for some reason I think wikipedia does not want to fall back on fair use if it doesn't have to?
That's kind of what I thought...which is why the wikipedia thing had me a little confused.
what about a drawing? lol
like this one
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1445&g2_serialNumber=1
or one of neoteny's drawings
Sir Wood
12-04-2006, 12:40 AM
If I had a personal pic of me w/ Alizée, I'd prolly rather not have it on Wiki. But that's just me.
My line of thought was if she might of had some concert pics of Lili that she took with her own camera, not ones that may be of personal nature between two intimate friends. ;)
I like Brad's idea if Wiki is so hung up on their policy...
rwd716
12-04-2006, 02:59 AM
Both good ideas, Sir.
Sir Wood
12-04-2006, 09:55 PM
Hmm, does wiki allow you to photograph a photograph and post that? You would have to show it was a photograph of a photograph by including a border with some background info (white paper works nice). We had to do it once when we couldn't get the rights to publish a photograph for an article, so we photographed a book that had the photograph on its cover and showed that it was a photograph of the book(the estate that now owns the rights didn't like the tone of the article so refused to give the rights to the photograph for the article, but because it was published it existed in the public domain as a book cover, and it was a way of getting the use of the photograph without breaking any laws).
I'm still wondering about this too.
What if you used pics similar to what Moe showed on this thread of his Alizée CD collection? It's similar to what Twitch mentioned.
http://moi-alizee.us/forums/showthread.php?t=460&page=2
Ask permission from Emilie to use this one:
http://nidalizee.free.fr/au_naturel/2003/eurobest3.jpg
She owns it. ( She over bid me ! :p )
neoteny
12-05-2006, 01:22 PM
if you havent already found one you can use this...if you want. you have my complete authorization to use it.:) i still think it doesnt look like her, but thats my opinion as an artist. its up to you wiki jaco. sorry for the distortion. i held my breath to the best of my ability.
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Ask permission from Emilie to use this one:
http://nidalizee.free.fr/au_naturel/2003/eurobest3.jpg
She owns it. ( She over bid me ! :p )
thats that is the best picture ever taken in the history of photography.
neoteny
12-05-2006, 01:36 PM
err...lol. second thot its better to use that one!
Ask permission from Emilie to use this one:
http://nidalizee.free.fr/au_naturel/2003/eurobest3.jpg
She owns it. ( She over bid me ! :p )
Does anyone know Emilie's email? If someone could PM me it I'll send her the mail. Does she understand English? This image would be better than nothing definitely.
The reason Wikipedia is being so strict about these fair use images is not because they have no spine and are afraid of being sued, but because it goes against the philosophy of building a Free (as in speech, not beer) encyclopedia.
Thanks for the responses guys. If this image from Emilie doesn't work out I think I'll put up the image from neoteny.
Does anyone know Emilie's email? If someone could PM me it I'll send her the mail. Does she understand English?
The mail should be on her website. Or check it from her forum profile or PM her (she's called Nidalizee). She knows lil bit English and is fluent in French.
This image would be better than nothing definitely.
Better than nothing ? At least it's thousand folds better than the current one.
You are free to use my enhanced photo too if you get permission from Emilie. It has dust and scratches removed. As well as gamma correction done.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9687/eurocq1.jpg
You know, I don't think buying a print of a photo over ebay gives her anymore ownership over it's copyright than someone scanning a magazine, or ripping music from a CD they bought. That is unless it was directly from the photographer, with express permission to reproduce.
Twitch
12-05-2006, 03:59 PM
Snatcher said exactly what I was thinking, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Here's some contact info at Nid d'Alizée: - Pour toutes questions concernant le site (idées de rubriques, problèmes divers, envoi d'informations) contactez la webmastress : nidalizee@estvideo.fr
Right before this address for Alizée telling people to send their fan mail and questions there, but since it's through Polydor you propably won't get an answer anymore (like with e-mail@moi-alizee.com). If you do mail something don't forget your self addressed stamped envelope or you definitely won't get an answer back.
Alizée
c/o Polydor
22, Rue des Fossés-Saint-Jacques
75005 Paris
CFHollister
12-05-2006, 05:45 PM
Snatcher said exactly what I was thinking, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Here's some contact info at Nid d'Alizée: - Pour toutes questions concernant le site (idées de rubriques, problèmes divers, envoi d'informations) contactez la webmastress : nidalizee@estvideo.fr
Right before this address for Alizée telling people to send their fan mail and questions there, but since it's through Polydor you propably won't get an answer anymore (like with e-mail@moi-alizee.com). If you do mail something don't forget your self addressed stamped envelope or you definitely won't get an answer back.
Alizée
c/o Polydor
22, Rue des Fossés-Saint-Jacques
75005 Paris
I serriously question whether this address is still valid for Alizee. It seems pretty clear (through converging rumors) that Alizee is not working with Polydor for her third album. I don't know if they would forward mail to someone with whom they no longer have a working relationship. We all just might be SOL of the time being.
You know, I don't think buying a print of a photo over ebay gives her anymore ownership over it's copyright than someone scanning a magazine, or ripping music from a CD they bought. That is unless it was directly from the photographer, with express permission to reproduce.
It was the original photo, not a print. So, the copyright was on the seller and since he sold it to Emilie, I believe she has all the rights to it now.
If seller only would have sold copy of the photo, then it would be whole different thing. But AFAIK it's the original. So, I'd say Emilie is the current owner of copyrights of that photo.
I have no reason to believe that the seller wasn't the original author of the photo, since he answered all the questions I asked and confirmed exactly where it was taken and so on. And if I remember right, he even lives near by the place where it was taken. And the photo was never seen before on the net so it gives another good clue that he was the original owner (of course that's not 100% sure). And it's for sure fan photo based on it's quality (and of the two other photos taken there), so it's not leaked photo from any photo agency.
It can't be the original photo unless he gave her the negative if on film or memory card if digital (from the dust and scratches, I'd guess film). Anything else is a copy. What exactly did the seller propose to send you?
And again, unless expressly stated even selling an original photo doesn't necessarily wave the copyright of the owner. The intellectual property and the physical property are two different things.
Rather than just Emilie, it may be better to also contact the seller if possible. We can ask him if the sale allows for reproduction, or better yet just ask directly if it's ok to submit the photo to wikipedia. That would cover all bases.
It can't be the original photo unless he gave her the negative if on film or memory card if digital (from the dust and scratches, I'd guess film). Anything else is a copy. What exactly did the seller propose to send you?
And again, unless expressly stated even selling an original photo doesn't necessarily wave the copyright of the owner. The intellectual property and the physical property are two different things.
Rather than just Emilie, it may be better to also contact the seller if possible. We can ask him if the sale allows for reproduction, or better yet just ask directly if it's ok to submit the photo to wikipedia. That would cover all bases.
I agree with Snatcher42, buying a photograph over Ebay doesn't give you the copyright rights. So if someone could point me to who was the original seller, I'll try to contact them to get the permission. Anyway, thanks a lot for your input, it's much appreciated!
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