BOUTONNAT IS BACK : Julia , the new Alizée ? [Archive]

lapinschous

09-12-2018, 01:35 PM

Hello old friends,

It's been a while, I have unfortunately lost interest in following Alizée in the Post Blonde-era but I am still very much a fan of Alizée and Laurent Boutonnat's music...which is why you'll understand my excitement when I watched this this morning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABPyMbKlSYo

Julia , barely 17 years old is Laurent Boutonnat's new "muse" , the similarities with the Alizée of the Gourmandises years are striking... Even this first music video reminds me SO MUCH of the L'Alizé and Gourmandises MVs ..

This kid needs our full support

More infos here (article in french) https://www.mylene.net/modules/index.php?r=4&z=4787

Bonus: ;) https://www.mylene.net/uploads/tweets/60792.jpg

Alizée is teaching her well:p https://www.instagram.com/p/BnV3aUXFpWR/?hl=de&taken-by=julia

Scruffydog777

09-12-2018, 04:07 PM

Edsel Di Meo

09-12-2018, 07:20 PM

Hey Lapinschous...good to hear from you. Julia is a beautiful young lady with a very good voice and I enjoy the music, but the song doesn't grab me yet. Maybe if I listen to it a few more times, plus I'm sure there will be several more to follow, some of which I'm sure I'll like if they were produced by MF?LB.

Same, i didn't like SEXTO that much but let's see i hope the upcoming songs will be better, i can trust MF and LB and this song is not enough to criticize because there will be more interesting content (i hope at least)

CleverCowboy

09-12-2018, 10:56 PM

Julia , barely 17 years old is Laurent Boutonnat's new "muse" , the similarities with the Alizée of the Gourmandises years are striking... Even this first music video reminds me SO MUCH of the L'Alizé and Gourmandises MVs ..

This kid needs our full support

Hello lapinschous!

I cannot speak for the others, but for me, Alizee was (and remains) an anomaly. I never was a fan of any other singer enough to join a fan site other than Alizee. She knocked me off my chair when I saw her for the first time. I can't explain it, it just happened. Beauty is a dime a dozen, but for someone to hold my interest for 12 years counting is really something. It goes beyond the physical.

While Julia is certainly beautiful in her own way, that is not enough for me to become a fan of something just for the sake that she is a product of MF/LB. Julia, as she stands right now, is a product to seduce the masses for profit. One could make a similar argument that Alizee was used in the same way, but Alizee proved over time there was certain things she would not sell out for. That gave me much respect for Alizee, but is still something to be determined for Julia.

lapinschous

09-13-2018, 01:15 PM

Hi Scruffy , glad to see you're still here !

No I totally get it, Julia is nowhere close to having Alizée's "X-factor" , but it's Boutonnat's unmistakeable touch and style that makes me nostalgic , I see a lot potential in Julia's first music video and knowing that Alizée stands behind her and LBs project makes me look forward to see what Julia has got in store :)

Scruffydog777

09-13-2018, 06:07 PM

CleverCowboy

09-14-2018, 07:25 AM

Alizee's "x-factor" might be as simple as the right place at the right time.

I tried listening to S.E.X.T.O. without watching the video at the same time, and I found it to be more enjoyable, and it really is a good song, except a little repetitive toward the end. In the video, the whole sexual tension squirming around and hair blowing in the wind in slow motion thing is predictable and overused. Wow, am I ever showing my age here! :secret:

Certainly MF fans will support Julia, and that alone would make her successful, but can she expand out of that circle?

Lucas

09-14-2018, 02:01 PM

However Mylene's fanbase is big, according to reactions of fans, I have doubts Julia will be very successful. Like the others, I have the same feeling they are just recycling what we had in 2000. Their project with Alizée was unique in many ways, and so it is and will be really impossible to go out from the shadow of the only and original "Lolita". They will compare everything what will be released.

lapinschous

09-14-2018, 03:29 PM

The parallels are making me smile from ear to ear :)

Just look at that last little dance move at the end ;)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnt01Y3H3ts/?hl=de&taken-by=julia

Alizee's "x-factor" might be as simple as the right place at the right time.

Exactly! The right time especially ! Lolitas come in 15 years cycles in France... France Gall..Vanessa Paradis... Alizée... Julia ? ;)

Certainly MF fans will support Julia, and that alone would make her successful, but can she expand out of that circle?

In order to expand out the circle of MF fans, Julia needs to succeed where Alizée failed: win the hearts of the British public , which is the door to the US market . Alizée at her peaked conquered Europe from Holland to Italy, from Spain to Russia, even managed to seduce Japan and Korea to some extent... but she never really got famous in the UK , probably due to the difficulty the Brits and Americans have with non-english songs. Julia is fluent in english , this might be the decisive factor

CleverCowboy

09-14-2018, 04:27 PM

Exactly! The right time especially ! Lolitas come in 15 years cycles in France... France Gall..Vanessa Paradis... Alizée... Julia ? ;)

Interesting observation. Thank you!

The year 2000 was quite strategic to introduce the next Lolita. The Y2K fears were unfounded and the world didn't end, the world economy was roaring. Optimism was probably at an all time high. Then comes this breath of fresh air named Alizee, this beautiful and mysterious girl from Corsica, and 90% of the world has no idea where Corsica is, adding to the mystery.

Thinking about it, how can this ever be replicated in our lifetime? :)

In order to expand out the circle of MF fans, Julia needs to succeed where Alizée failed: win the hearts of the British public , which is the door to the US market . Alizée at her peaked conquered Europe from Holland to Italy, from Spain to Russia, even managed to seduce Japan and Korea to some extent... but she never really got famous in the UK , probably due to the difficulty the Brits and Americans have with non-english songs. Julia is fluent in english , this might be the decisive factor

I think Julia has a better than good chance at the UK/US market other than she speaks fluent English, but probably better in the UK. The US is very divided right now culturally between those who would welcome an "anything goes" mentality and those who see the country slipping too much in one direction and resist. The norm has been moderate throughout the decades but that seems to be breaking down. Julia would have to be packaged well but I would not want her to sell out to one side or the other, but to appeal to the middle.

The female French singers present themselves as sexy but not trashy. There is the potential of a huge amount of people in the US who would love to see that.

Shepherd

09-14-2018, 08:49 PM

Julia's looking pretty good.

https://www.facebook.com/juliacommetusais/videos/529336034175540/?t=3

Jenny_HRO87

09-15-2018, 07:11 AM

To be honest... this song is pretty lame. It doesn't get into my head and while Julia has a good voice the entire arrangement is kinda emotionless.

Apart from having nothing of Alizée's charm the song and entire performance is nothing special and rather poor to other French singers. Look at Louane for example. Same type of girl but what a voice and what emotion! Ok, maybe it's just the song itself, SEXTO isn't great. But I doubt that Julia will be very successful at least not outside France.

Edit:

It's nice to have this little behind the scenes video with Alizée tho. It looks like the girls there were actually eager to take a selfie with the former "Lolita". :)

Shepherd

09-15-2018, 07:12 PM

To be honest... this song is pretty lame. It doesn't get into my head and while Julia has a good voice the entire arrangement is kinda emotionless.

Apart from having nothing of Alizée's charm the song and entire performance is nothing special and rather poor to other French singers. Look at Louane for example. Same type of girl but what a voice and what emotion! Ok, maybe it's just the song itself, SEXTO isn't great. But I doubt that Julia will be very successful at least not outside France.

I agree with you on almost everything. The music is uninspiring, the performance is generic, and Julia doesn't have the X-Factor. Even so, Julia's looking pretty good.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2527

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2525

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2524

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2526

CleverCowboy

09-17-2018, 07:27 AM

The parallels are making me smile from ear to ear :)

Just look at that last little dance move at the end ;)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnt01Y3H3ts/?hl=de&taken-by=julia

If anybody wants to download the IG clip, it is on my Google drive.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sQslq_gqd9EfNBFW7bwEStDH-uQQNZHt

Scruffydog777

09-17-2018, 01:12 PM

Thanks CleverCowboy!

CleverCowboy

09-27-2018, 08:22 AM

I decided to check up to see how SEXTO is doing after a few weeks on YouTube, and I would say mediocre at best. Almost a third of the votes are a thumbs down, which is really surprising. It's not a bad video at all. Maybe they did not like the music, which is pretty retro. I probably like the song and the video better this time around than when it came out.

A few things caught my attention about the video. They are not meant to poke fun at the work of Julia or MF, but I guess it struck me as a little funny:

* The guys still look like they are still in high school and they are in control of a recording studio.

* If you look like a young Ashton Kutcher, you get all the pretty girls.

* The wetting (or drying) of the lips that Julia does in video was probably schooled by MF, but the over-exaggerated one she does at 2:14 makes her look like she has a drooling problem.

* The guy doing some kind of "paperwork" at 3:12 looks more like he forgot to do his math homework.

The end.

Shepherd

09-27-2018, 04:45 PM

Edsel Di Meo

09-27-2018, 04:58 PM

* If you look like a young Ashton Kutcher, you get all the pretty girls.

* The wetting (or drying) of the lips that Julia does in video was probably schooled by MF, but the over-exaggerated one she does at 2:14 makes her look like she has a drooling problem.

* The guy doing some kind of "paperwork" at 3:12 looks more like he forgot to do his math homework.

The end.

I laughed out loud with this

Scruffydog777

09-27-2018, 05:01 PM

That doesn't surprise me. It has good music, a beautiful young lady with a very good voice, but just because you add a bunch of good ingredients, doesn't mean the broth will be any good, but if MF/LB produce an album for her, I'd be very surprised if it didn't do well.

Maybe the title was too blatant . You have this beautiful young lady or should I say girl and the first word associated with her career is Sex(to). Mylene is noted for her hidden meanings, yet with this she hits you smack in the face with it. Maybe it's a bad approach.

But all and all,the video just isn't appealing and I have to say she just doesn't have the charm of Alizee and you can't practice that, and you can't manufacture that.

Hopefully if this video isn't as successful as they thought it would be, they won't give up on her. I'm sure an album with this team will be a good one.

CleverCowboy

09-28-2018, 08:31 AM

After checking out SEXTO, which I like but don't see as standing out from thousands of other recordings by young women, I went back to "Ma Priére" to see if there was anything in it that predicted Alizée's great success. She's attractive, but not more than many other girls. She does have an outstanding voice, but so do many talent contestants. She made an excellent choice of music. She has a lot of self-confidence and an excellent stage presence. I like the little dance step she takes at the bottom of the stairs. And then there is something more: the X-factor. I have watched this video dozens of times and never grow tired of it. Having said all that, I would have been cautious in my prediction. She could become a big star--I would say--but I wouldn't guarantee it. And then came Myléne Farmer.

I have spent a lot of time over the years trying to figure out what the x-factor is with Alizee that keeps me engaged and just doesn't let up. There was a time when my attachment to a woman who I will probably never meet was really concerning to me, but now I don't care - it is what it is. Not giving her up.

Alizee to me seemed like the girl next door, and perhaps others see that as well. That familiarity could account for the instant attraction and the feeling that there is a sincerity in her that is unlike the others. Her smile helps too! :D

Edit:

Maybe the title was too blatant . You have this beautiful young lady or should I say girl and the first word associated with her career is Sex(to). Mylene is noted for her hidden meanings, yet with this she hits you smack in the face with it. Maybe it's a bad approach.

The video has a teenage fantasy message, more sensual than overtly sexual. Maybe too much or maybe not enough? Julia is still a minor and under control of her parents, so there is the chance that her parents had a say in what kind of video their daughter was going to participate in. What happens when she turns 18 is a different matter. MF might want her to go even further.

One thing I know for sure... Julia is not Alizee #2. She is very attractive and has a beautiful voice, but as you said, charm cannot be taught. You got it or you don't.

Scruffydog777

09-28-2018, 10:13 AM

Maybe the title 'Moi Lolita' was kind of blatant too, but I think in a different way.

CleverCowboy

09-28-2018, 03:13 PM

X-Factor.

In the pre-MCE era of Alizee, her performance of L'Alize at The Dome 21 has to be in my top few favorites. We have all seen it, but maybe a new member or two might not have. She has everything here. She's adorable, stage presence, ear to ear smile, happy, cute facial expressions, connecting with the fans. She looks like she is having a blast. What's not to love? In a clip that Scruffy recently posted in another thread where Alizee is showing some attitude to Greg when he is asking her to do the rumba, she is telling him that she cannot invent another personality. This implies that who she is on stage is what she is off stage, and it looks like that is truly the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziVuxnp8Bdc

Just as a side note, this video is not the first of her early videos where she is wearing what looks to be a wedding band on her ring finger. In her most popular Moi Lolita video, same thing but looks to have a diamond on it, like an engagement ring. I know she wasn't married or engaged at the time, but I find it curious she is wearing these kind of rings on a finger reserved for something special, while leaving the others bare. I know she had some boyfriends, so maybe a promise ring? Nothing at all, just a ring?

Shepherd

09-28-2018, 11:18 PM

The more I listen to SEXTO, the more I like it.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2524

AIFC
Ghislain Rossi
Admin · 11 hrs
Today the new album of Mylène Farmer released: of course Alizée is linked to this great singer. And a big surprise: for the first time a Farmer album is present in top 10 ITunes in Mexico...is it an Alizée effect ?

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2533

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2532

I wonder why Mylene doesn't play the USA. Whatever her reason probably explains why Alizee never played the USA. On this video, Mylene looks huge, on a par that Alizee never came near.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY9GJ9GVnUw

Edit:

I have spent a lot of time over the years trying to figure out what the x-factor is with Alizee that keeps me engaged and just doesn't let up. There was a time when my attachment to a woman who I will probably never meet was really concerning to me, but now I don't care - it is what it is. Not giving her up.:D

Edit:

I have also grappled with the reason for my attraction to Alizée. It strikes me as insane to be so drawn to a woman I could never have a relationship with. I can't even have a conversation with her because of the difference in languages. Never in my life have I been attracted to any entertainer the way I am to Alizée. Maybe it's because I met her once in Central Park and that has created a sense that she is approachable. I don't think that's it. I've met other famous people and they have not had an impact on me. It also disturbs me that I am much older than her, and I wonder, is this some perverted thing I should be worried about? Is this attraction to fill something missing in my life? To be honest, I live a pretty contented life. Although Alizée is a beautiful woman, the attraction--as has been mentioned by a lot of other people on this site--is not predominately sexual. So what is it? Honestly, I don't know. I've been a fan now for several years and have pretty much given up trying to figure it out or bothering to worry about it. As you say, "It is what it is." Nobody is getting hurt. Alizee doesn't know I exist, I live on the far side of the world from her, so I'm not bothering or threatening her. She lights up my life, so I'm a fan.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2460

CleverCowboy

09-30-2018, 11:54 AM

I have also grappled with the reason for my attraction to Alizée. It strikes me as insane to be so drawn to a woman I could never have a relationship with. I can't even have a conversation with her because of the difference in languages. Never in my life have I been attracted to any entertainer the way I am to Alizée. Maybe it's because I met her once in Central Park and that has created a sense that she is approachable. I don't think that's it. I've met other famous people and they have not had an impact on me. It also disturbs me that I am much older than her, and I wonder, is this some perverted thing I should be worried about? Is this attraction to fill something missing in my life? To be honest, I live a pretty contented life. Although Alizée is a beautiful woman, the attraction--as has been mentioned by a lot of other people on this site--is not predominately sexual. So what is it? Honestly, I don't know. I've been a fan now for several years and have pretty much given up trying to figure it out or bothering to worry about it. As you say, "It is what it is." Nobody is getting hurt. Alizee doesn't know I exist, I live on the far side of the world from her, so I'm not bothering or threatening her. She lights up my life, so I'm a fan.

I think your questions are valid. Insanity? No. I have lived a pretty normal life, never been in trouble with the law, content on what I have accomplished and own. Sound behavior and perceptions. By mere definition, that omits myself and no doubt you and most of those bit by the Lili bug. If somebody gets to the point of being a stalker, then that crosses the line, but the overwhelming majority of her fans seem to be very respectful of her.

Perverted? The fact that you worry about it shows that it is not an issue. Alizee is more than two decades younger than me. For some, the age gap is larger. I am aware how it might look if somebody knows my attraction to a singer much younger than myself who rose to fame as a teenager. They would come to all sorts of wrong conclusions. My sense of great beauty in a female hasn't changed my whole life, but has been refined. I appreciate inward beauty more than what I used to as a younger man. If both outward and inward beauty is packaged in a woman much younger than myself and I am attracted to her and respectful towards her, no harm done.

Something missing in life? This is the most interesting question you posed. When I saw my first Alizee video in 2006, purely by accident, I was still married with a family. My wife was very beautiful and we were married for a very long time. I had a very successful business going, big house, blah blah. Somebody from the outside would say I had it all and nothing was missing. After watching JEM that first time, I could have easily went on with my life and forgot about Alizee a minute later. But I couldn't because it was like she cast some kind of magic spell on me. I still remember what I was thinking while watching her. In the age of feminism that has went overboard in my opinion where girls were trying to become more masculine in their looks and behavior, here was this French girl who looked totally comfortable with her feminine traits. Maybe what was missing was as simple as how different she was along with her stunning looks. But, I think there is much more to it than that. I will probably never know.

Scruffydog777

09-30-2018, 03:41 PM

I've spoken in here, maybe too many times before how I was living in Georgia and got divorced in the 90s. I met another woman and it looked like this relationship would go far, but then the company I worked for pulled out of the airport I was working in. I got a job with a contract company and working with a contract company in aviation gets you no where. You're pay goes up for a few years, then another contract company comes in and undercuts the company you are working for and your only choice is to start over with that new contract company, if they'll hire you. It's a well designed way of keeping people down.

So like I said, the company I was working for pulled out of that airport. Around that time, after applying for it, I was offered a job with a major airline about 800 miles away. Now me and my ex had been in finacial trouble for years. Here was a good paying job with a pension. Financially, I needed to take this job and I took it.

Well it led to the end of that relationship and after I moved, it led to 7 years of deep depression. The only thing that kept me going was I enjoy the work I do. Then I discovered Alizee. Now the girl freind I had after I got divorced, in addition to working at the airport, also did some gigs with some freinds in a band and she was a singer. So when ever we went some place, it was usually in my pick up and I'd have all these cds made up with my favorite songs and she'd always be singing them.

Well it wasn't until I started listening to Alizee's music, that I realized how much listening to my favorite songs from over the years was depressing me. Here I had something new, something very beautiful and it brought so much enjoyment into my life.

So I heard the woman I had been in a relationship had married and had a baby girl and I thought she was happy and it was a great time for me, but it didn't last long.

I found out she had come down with breast cancer and it was in a tough area to operate on. It was removed, but then it came back. It spread to one of her lymph nodes. So she was operated on again and she lost the use of one of her arms.

So we started communicating again via FB and she told me I was still the one. About this time, the cancer came back a third time. Now she shared a FB page with her husband, so he was seeing what she was saying to me and because of that, she had to break off our communicating.

So the depression I had for 7 years, is still just around the corner. I'm afraid to check up on her.

The main thing that keeps the depression at bay is Alizee and the reason why most of the music I listen to is French music is there are no bad memories for me with French music.

CleverCowboy

10-01-2018, 06:44 AM

I've read some of your history in pieces, but not quite all in one spot like your post here. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. All cancer sucks, but breast cancer is often very tenacious. I hope she keeps up the good fight.

Scruffydog777

10-01-2018, 08:19 PM

CleverCowboy

10-03-2018, 11:39 AM

A few days ago, a woman made a comment on the SEXTO video. I think it is a very good one.

Sofía Dinatolo 3 days ago
She's gorgeous. I have to admit, I felt a little reject the first time I saw this. I understand the critics, everyone compares her to Alizee, so did I. It's hard to "replace" her, and make a new lolita. But now I can't stop listening to this song. Julia's voice is unique. Yeah she's not Alizee, but people must give her a chance. Can't wait to hear more.

For Alizee fans, one could come to the conclusion that the introduction of Julia was to pull the rug out from under Alizee. But the commenter is right, Julia is not Alizee, and they can coexist without threatening each other's fan base.

CleverCowboy

10-05-2018, 10:26 AM

Here are a couple of short Instagram videos that were posted by Julia and ske_lton on the making of SEXTO. They are on my google drive and can be downloaded.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tqWi86RoMkKw8Dp8qnVt5fyrcMT2TQF8

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sWFzEkqLmhizL04fYei4vphq5-YwkFJA

lapinschous

10-10-2018, 01:04 AM

Ladies and gentlemen here we finally are: the Behind the Scenes video... .with some cute interactions between Alizée and Julia :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4H_OWlgw0

Interesting observation. Thank you!

I think Julia has a better than good chance at the UK/US market other than she speaks fluent English, but probably better in the UK. The US is very divided right now culturally between those who would welcome an "anything goes" mentality and those who see the country slipping too much in one direction and resist.

The female French singers present themselves as sexy but not trashy. There is the potential of a huge amount of people in the US who would love to see that.

Agreed, the stereotypical image of french singers/actresses in the US is indeed sensual/sexy I believe , but also most americans think of french girls as brunettes/black haired for some reason.. so seeing some blue eyed blonde french girl showing up in the US market would definitely add to the surprise/novelty factor , especially with america's obsession with blonde hair on teenage stars , she might be presented as the french taylor swift or britney spears :)

It also disturbs me that I am much older than her, and I wonder, is this some perverted thing I should be worried about?

Don't worry , you could be 9 like you could be 99 it would be the same... I've been feeling that way towards Alizée since i'm 11..

Although Alizée is a beautiful woman, the attraction--as has been mentioned by a lot of other people on this site--is not predominately sexual. So what is it? Honestly, I don't know.

I can 100% relate ...for some reason with Alizée I never felt the urge to act on some sexual thoughts of some sort... I just enjoyed her purity/cuteness/charm or whatever that is and It just kept awakening a protector instinct in me, like a brother would want to care for his younger sister or a dad cuddling with his daughter... it's really hard to explain..

CleverCowboy

10-10-2018, 07:40 AM

Ladies and gentlemen here we finally are: the Behind the Scenes video... .with some cute interactions between Alizée and Julia :)

Thanks for posting this! I had a few short segments of the video that was posted on IG, but not the full thing.

Julia, cute girl and looks like a good sport when they had bloopers. When the hair blows in her face at 3:51 and she couldn't help but start laughing, that is pretty funny :D But still, I keep waiting for the next time it showed Alizee. Her little shoulder shrug at 1:24... you just can't manufacture that kind of charm.

I can 100% relate ...for some reason with Alizée I never felt the urge to act on some sexual thoughts of some sort... I just enjoyed her purity/cuteness/charm or whatever that is and It just kept awakening a protector instinct in me, like a brother would want to care for his younger sister or a dad cuddling with his daughter... it's really hard to explain..

Even though you said it is hard to explain, I think you nailed it, at least for me. I became very protective of Alizee very soon after seeing her for the first time. I get mad at lewd comments left on her videos. I'm a hugger, so it would be real nice to be able to give Alizee a big bear hug, but that's about it. :)

Edit:

Agreed, the stereotypical image of french singers/actresses in the US is indeed sensual/sexy I believe , but also most americans think of french girls as brunettes/black haired for some reason.. so seeing some blue eyed blonde french girl showing up in the US market would definitely add to the surprise/novelty factor , especially with america's obsession with blonde hair on teenage stars , she might be presented as the french taylor swift or britney spears :)

Yes, America likes blondes, that's for sure. Marilyn Monroe probably started this. I never really stereotyped French woman as being only brunettes, probably because I am old enough to remember seeing movies with probably the two most famous French actresses in Hollywood back in the day, Brigitte Bardot and Catherine Deneuve. Both were blonde and extremely beautiful. Them being blonde when blonde was "in" probably helped them in their career.

Catherine Deneuve
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/922/u7kvU1.jpg

Brigitte Bardot
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/OFyPnW.jpg

Scruffydog777

10-10-2018, 11:43 AM

Thanks for posting Lapinschous!

lapinschous

10-10-2018, 01:31 PM

*Beep boop* This is a message from future-Shepherd *beeeeep*

I went back to "I Will Always love you" to see if there was anything in it that predicted Julia's great success. She's attractive for a 13y.o girl. , but not straight up child model material either. She does have an outstanding voice, but so do many talent contestants. She made an excellent choice of music. She has a lot of self-confidence and a good stage presence. And then there is something more: the X-factor. I have watched this video dozens of times and never grow tired of it. Having said all that, I would have been cautious in my prediction. She could become a big star--I would say--but I wouldn't guarantee it. And then came Myléne Farmer."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj-F5HeR100

;)

CleverCowboy

10-13-2018, 04:34 PM

Scruffydog777

10-14-2018, 02:29 PM

Julia put out a short video of her performing live in front of a studio audience at some show (not sure what it is) on her IG account. When I say live, I mean "playback", but still, even Alizee did that plenty.

It's not on YouTube, but was able to rip it from IG and put it on my Google drive:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1p4J0qv-_Zcwwl0xs6Ipvna7t49RONN3U

I'm kind of rooting for her now, but I was really surprised by her performance. She looks frightened, stiff, and basically near zero stage presence. She looked so comfortable and easy-going in the Making of SEXTO video. Wow. Good looks alone can't carry you in show biz. Not sure what to say.

Thanks for this CleverCowboy.

I thought she looked kind of tentative and she looked to be lip syncing which Alizee did a lot of because I think it was Madonna who said "You can have a good performance, ( Such as one with a lot of dancing in addition to singing) or you can have just good singing, but you can't have both." and Alizee did a lot of dancing in her performances.

I'm still sure she'll do quite well.

Shepherd

10-15-2018, 12:04 AM

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2526

No one will deny that Julia has a gorgeous voice and she is attractive. If you put her up against Celine Dion when Celine was a teenager, which of the two would you predict would have greater success? I think Julia would come out pretty well in that prediction. If Julia could get the right piece of music, she'd be in. I don't think SEXTO is all that bad, but it's not cutting the mustard on the charts. I don't think that's Julia's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImNsZZEjBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABPyMbKlSYo

CleverCowboy

10-15-2018, 07:16 AM

No one will deny that Julia has a gorgeous voice and she is attractive. If you put her up against Celine Dion when Celine was a teenager, which of the two would you predict would have greater success? I think Julia would come out pretty well in that prediction. If Julia could get the right piece of music, she'd be in. I don't think SEXTO is all that bad, but it's not cutting the mustard on the charts. I don't think that's Julia's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImNsZZEjBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABPyMbKlSYo

I watched the entire Celine video you posted. The main difference between the Celine video and the Julia video is that Celine is really performing live, while Julia is lip-syncing in a produced music video. Celine shows a lot of passion while she is singing. There is no pressure of dancing while singing, or looking sexy.

To me, Julia's voice is more ear-pleasing than Celine. But, Julia has an image to portray, and that live video showed me she is not comfortable with what she is doing. It's not natural to her. I think you are correct though when you said that Julia would be in with the right piece of music.

Julia got noticed singing a Whitney Houston song. Here is a clip of a young Whitney Houston in 1983 on the Merv Griffin show. Amazing stage presence and she stood in one place the entire song. It's impossible to watch this song to the end on not think this young lady would make it big one day.

https://youtu.be/Dw2hjXDCM6k?t=153

I think Julia would do much better singing more classical styles of music.

Lucas

10-15-2018, 12:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46jYbvsbnM

Scruffydog777

10-15-2018, 09:08 PM

Whitney Houston had an amazing voice.

I'm sure MF will be writing an album for Julia and I'm sure there will be some hits on it.

Have we heard anything about Julia as far as how she got started?

CleverCowboy

12-07-2018, 08:40 AM

It's been a while since I checked on Julia SEXTO video. It has a little over 500K views now, but is definitely losing momentum. 1.5K dislikes compared to 4.5K likes? That is not a very good ratio.

I'm starting to root for Julia and hope she does well. I just thought her album would be out by now - it's been three months since the video was released. Maybe a month in between, but three (and probably more)? There has been too much time for people to bore of her already and move on to the next best thing. It might be a big strategic mistake.

eru777

12-07-2018, 09:10 AM

Nice song. I wish her all the best, I missed Mylene and Boutonnat

Scruffydog777

12-07-2018, 12:46 PM

CleverCowboy

12-07-2018, 12:57 PM

Well I've rooted for her early on. She's a beautiful young lady with a very nice voice and I think with an album produced by M/LB, she will do well and in the long run, she might do better than Alizée numbers wise, but there is something intangible that Alizée brought to the table. It can't be manufactured and it can't be duplicated and it will be a long time before we ever see the likes of Alizée again, if we ever see that again.

There have been negative comments on SEXTO that LB failed to keep up with the trends, music-wise. But, I don't feel LB would touch hip-hop. He composes what he wants, and he excels at it. It's up to the girl to deliver it well, which I think Julia did. It's up to the consumer whether they like it or not.

Like you said, Julia still is no Alizee. While I am of course biased, even when I look at it objectively, there is a recurring theme coming from the viewers of Alizee, that she is something special. I just don't think we will see it repeated in a single person.

Scruffydog777

12-07-2018, 01:18 PM

I often refer to Alizée/MF/LB as a dream team, kind of like the Beatles were a dream team that were well suited for one another, but the Beatles brought a new style of music along, that people instantly loved. But with Alizée, it wasn't necessarily a new style of music, it was a existing style of music or in her case video, that was unique. Her voice wasn't the strongest, but when you combined it with the lyrics of MF and the music of LB, that were a perfect match for her voice, there was nothing more pleasant to listen to. When you added her physical beauty, her beauty of dance, her beauty of person, it was a unique experience.

CleverCowboy

12-07-2018, 04:09 PM

Comment on Julia's SEXTO video:

Carlos Nieto 2 weeks ago
There was a rumour about Alizée featuring this video. I did not see her at all.

Luckily somebody answered Carlos:

Rominder WKND 2 weeks ago
She is in the making of

eru777

12-07-2018, 05:06 PM

Alizee was a phenomenon, just like Michael Jackson. There will never be another MJ or Alizee.

It's not like they are trying to emulate her anyway, because that would be pointless. For both Julia and Alizee. I think they are smart enough to embrace this new talent and I think it's going to be great. Mylene always had an eye for talent anyway.

What I'm trying to say is that Alizee has an inner beauty as well as an outer one. Her inner beauty radiated to the world, you can't buy that or emulate it in any way. It's either there or not. Kind of a feminine radiance that warmed you inside. Julia probably has another kind of radiance.

It's probably something to do with the era in which Alizee was around though. It was the perfect time for her to truly showcase her talent.
The tight clothing and ass helped of course.

Mr Coucou

12-08-2018, 06:18 AM

Julia is NOT a new Alizee-- and not even close.

Alizee's face seems at times to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
Alizee's face has this "beyond beautiful" quality, as if its playing tricks with my mind.
There is something about Alizee's face that fascinates me--- and its hard to explain.

Julia's face does none of the above. Julia's face is ordinary. It would be very hard to match Alizee's facial x-factor, but I still think Mylene could have done better.

Edit:

Mylene always had an eye for talent anyway.

I'm not so sure. Is there anything particularly special about Julia? If there is something particularly special or unique about Julia, I'd like to know what it is. I think Mylene really got lucky with Alizee.

Edit:

So tell me guys, what's special about Julia??? Don't tell me what's good about Julia, please tell me what's *special* about Julia.

Consider Alizee:

The only thing that isn't special about Alizee is her singing voice. Alizee's voice is good, but not great. Alizee's voice is more than adequate, but not in the same league as the top female vocalists.

Everything else about Alizee is special. Face--- special. Dancing ability--- special. Personality-- special. Stage presence--- special.

Tell me one thing that is truly special about Julia--- just *one thing.*

Scruffydog777

12-08-2018, 12:23 PM

CleverCowboy

12-08-2018, 03:49 PM

I think Julia is very beautiful.

Alizee is beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty. It is very hard to describe.

Mr Coucou

12-09-2018, 02:18 AM

I think the comment "Julia's face is ordinary" has to expanded on a little more. Julia's face is a beautiful face, but as I've said several times before with the beauty of the French singer Lorie,it's a look that we've seen many times before. I'm sure I could find images of many people who look like Lorie. So like Lorie's beauty is ordinary, so is Julia's. ... But I be hard pressed to find one of someone who closely resembles Alizee and just looking at her image herself, often doesn't reveal that special something that lies beneath

For simplicity, let's look at it in terms of still photographs.

If I were to have a series of still photographs of Julia laid out in front of me, I would be inclined to say that Julia is in the top 15% of women by looks.

Does that make sense?

Suppose I laid out a series of still photographs of Julia in front of you. How would you rate Julia? Based on the photographs, would you say that Julia is the top 20% of women by looks? Would you say that Julia is in the top 15% of women by looks? Top 10% of women by looks? Top 5%??? Top 2%??? Etc. Give me a number that sounds about right to you.

Edit:

I think Julia is very beautiful.

Clevercowboy, let me ask you the same question that I asked Scruffy:

Suppose I laid out a series of still photographs of Julia in front of you. How would you rate Julia? Based on the photographs, would you say that Julia is the top 20% of women by looks? Would you say that Julia is in the top 15% of women by looks? Top 10% of women by looks? Top 5%??? Top 2%??? Give me a number that sounds about right to you.

eru777

12-09-2018, 02:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxOgESzcXO8
I googled Julia and can't find a wikipedia article.
Anyway she's got a good voice! I was watching this and it's not playback!
Does anyone have a wiki or something for her? I want to know Alizee's involvement on this.
Also, notice the 'nanananana' at 3:46? Haha, that reminded me of Alizee.
I love Boutonat's musak. Even the first chords are great.

Fall

12-09-2018, 12:13 PM

eru777

12-09-2018, 05:18 PM

No artist can stay at their prime forever, it's no different for Mylene and Boutonat. Michael Jackson's invincible album wasn't as good as HIStory or dangerous. Sting's latest album is no 'ten summoner's tales'. He won't write another 'every breath you take' or 'message in a bottle'. It's just how life is. No one expects him to.

Fall

12-09-2018, 06:09 PM

Michael Jackson's invincible album wasn't as good as HIStory or Dangerous.
Dangerous is my favorite so no argument there :D
However I would argue that Invincible is as good as HIStory. It has some bangers like You Rock My World, Whatever Happens(with Carlos Santana), Unbreakable (With Biggie), Heartbreaker, Threatened, etc.

No artist can stay at their prime forever, it's no different for Mylene and Boutonat.
Maybe not, but others had offered comparisons or guessed at the chances of success vs the A/MF/LB team, so I thought I would do the same.

Mr Coucou

12-10-2018, 04:17 AM

I think Julia is very beautiful.

Alizee is beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty. It is very hard to describe.

You are talking specifically about physical appearance here, right??

In other words, Julia's face is "very beautiful", whereas Alizee's face is "beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty." That's what you are saying, right???

(If that's what you are saying, then I agree 100%. But is that what you are saying???)

CleverCowboy

12-10-2018, 08:44 AM

In my opinion, she's definitely cute but the music video is awkward and uncomfortable to watch. They tried so hard to make her look all pure and almost virginal, while teasing the "chemistry" between her and the white guy. The black guy is kinda just third wheeling, seemingly only there because they felt compelled to cast a non-white person, but they couldn't be the love interest - I dunno.

I think the same way about that video. She looks like she's scared stiff. She might not be, but it comes off that way to me.

I poked a little bit of fun about the whole teenage sexual tension theme of the SEXTO video earlier in this thread. Predictable.

In overly-political correct U.S., the white girl crushing on the white guy when there is a black there there would be considered racist, so it would have be to be rewritten that she likes the black guy. Or alternatively, neither of them like her back because the two guys are gay. (I would like to say this is all joking)

Edit:

Clevercowboy, let me ask you the same question that I asked Scruffy:

Suppose I laid out a series of still photographs of Julia in front of you. How would you rate Julia? Based on the photographs, would you say that Julia is the top 20% of women by looks? Would you say that Julia is in the top 15% of women by looks? Top 10% of women by looks? Top 5%??? Top 2%??? Give me a number that sounds about right to you.

These are very good questions and made me think about how best to answer this. This actually can make for an interesting discussion. We can just talk about still photos, as you suggest, without being biased by facial expressions or personality traits.

Based upon our preferences in what we consider attractive, and the recollection of the universe of the females we have seen, we come to our own conclusion of what we consider "average". It's like the hump in the bell curve that we all saw in our statistics class in school. Most people fit somewhere in the average category, like the 3-7 range when you are asked where a person fits on a scale of 1 to 10. A beautiful person would stand out from the rest, very beautiful even further, and the perfect 10 is the representation of what we consider the ultimate beauty. It is also very relative, according to our liking.

Julia right off the bat has a number of things going her way, beauty-wise. She is young, and with youth comes a lot of advantages regarding beauty: flawless skin, silky hair, bright eyes, etc. She hasn't lost any collagen and gravity has not yet take any toll. Because of these natural advantages, I would place her in the top 10% at this point in her life. I have commented to somebody before that I think Julia will hit her peak beauty in the next few years, if not already peaked. As she matures past 20, I think her looks will drop off.

At 17, I thought Alizee was a very beautiful girl, but she still had some awkward qualities. Over the next few years, she moved into the "stunning" or "take your breath away" category and has been good to maintain that.

A couple of recent photos

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/923/D7GcyE.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/320x240q90/922/h2u47T.jpg

One of my recent finds, Alizee with glasses. Wow!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/juVPtW.jpg

This is one of my favorites of Alizee. This is the one that I sent to Scruffy and he printed it off so that Alizee could sign it when he went to Ajaccio.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/U3d6B0.jpg

Edit:

You are talking specifically about physical appearance here, right??

In other words, Julia's face is "very beautiful", whereas Alizee's face is "beyond spectacular when it comes to beauty." That's what you are saying, right???

(If that's what you are saying, then I agree 100%. But is that what you are saying???)

That is exactly what I am saying. :)

eru777

12-10-2018, 10:04 AM

Dangerous is my favorite so no argument there :D

That's because it's his best album XD

Mr Coucou

12-14-2018, 04:54 AM

Based upon our preferences in what we consider attractive, and the recollection of the universe of the females we have seen, we come to our own conclusion of what we consider "average". It's like the hump in the bell curve that we all saw in our statistics class in school. Most people fit somewhere in the average category, like the 3-7 range when you are asked where a person fits on a scale of 1 to 10. A beautiful person would stand out from the rest, very beautiful even further, and the perfect 10 is the representation of what we consider the ultimate beauty. It is also very relative, according to our liking.

There has been some scientific research into this. "Looks theory", I guess you might call it.

I've been interested in looks theory for a long time. And then in March of this year, I found Alizee--- Alizee would be an interesting case study for looks theory, because there's something unusual about Alizee's face. When I watch En Concert, for instance, my brain keeps telling me that Alizee's face is beyond beautiful--- but the "beyond" part makes me wonder as to exactly what my brain is perceiving.

Edit:

Julia right off the bat has a number of things going her way, beauty-wise. She is young, and with youth comes a lot of advantages regarding beauty: flawless skin, silky hair, bright eyes, etc. She hasn't lost any collagen and gravity has not yet take any toll. Because of these natural advantages, I would place her in the top 10% at this point in her life. I have commented to somebody before that I think Julia will hit her peak beauty in the next few years, if not already peaked. As she matures past 20, I think her looks will drop off.

When I was saying that Julia is in the top 15% by looks, I meant that Julia is in the top 15% of girls her age.

Just to confirm, is that what you meant by 10%??? You're saying that Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age?

Edit:

At 17, I thought Alizee was a very beautiful girl, but she still had some awkward qualities. Over the next few years, she moved into the "stunning" or "take your breath away" category and has been good to maintain that.

In terms of this "awkwardness", is it something that can be seen in still photographs of Alizee?

As far as aging goes, at 34 Alizee is not what she was at 18-19-- no one is-- but I think her looks are holding up well.

Edit:

But I be hard pressed to find one of someone who closely resembles Alizee and just looking at her image herself, often doesn't reveal that special something that lies beneath which we get a hint of at moments like in the beginning of ACC with the sparkle of her eyes or JPVA at the Eiffel tower at the incredibly beautiful moment after the song where she dips her head.

Its adorable the way Alizee dips her head after JPVA.

But if it was Julia dipping her head like that at the end of a song, would it have the same effect on you as Alizee dipping her head at the end of a song???

I don't think that Julia dipping her head would be the same--- do you???

The defining factor here is not "head-dipping", it is Alizee's looks--- isn't it???

Does that make sense?

CleverCowboy

12-14-2018, 07:30 AM

When I was saying that Julia is in the top 15% by looks, I meant that Julia is in the top 15% of girls her age.

Just to confirm, is that what you meant by 10%??? You're saying that Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age?

I would say 10% of the age range of 18-25, even though I know she is 17, I think her looks have matured sufficiently to fit into that group.

In terms of this "awkwardness", is it something that can be seen in still photographs of Alizee?

As far as aging goes, at 34 Alizee is not what she was at 18-19-- no one is-- but I think her looks are holding up well.

The early awkwardness was more in her movements, so I probably could not illustrate that with a still photograph. Some of her early performances of Gourmandises compared to later ones show the difference well. One thing I did not care for in her early days were those very long fingernails. She is petite anyway, but at ages 16-17 you add those nails, they looked monstrous in comparison. I might be able to make the case that they made her look awkward a bit, and there are many stills of that. When she cut them down to "secretary" sized nails, her fingers and hands were much more attractive and it fit her personality better.

I am 23 years older than Alizee, so no matter how old she gets, she will always be a "young lady" to me. :) I think she is still gorgeous even though she has experienced the normal signs of aging. My first videos that I had seen of Alizee was during her MCE days, so there will always be something special about how she looked during those days. But I have appreciated her beauty throughout her career. She has looked happy and content lately, and that has made her more radiant.

Its adorable the way Alizee dips her head after JPVA.

But if it was Julia dipping her head like that at the end of a song, would it have the same effect on you as Alizee dipping her head at the end of a song???

I don't think that Julia dipping her head would be the same--- do you???

The defining factor here is not "head-dipping", it is Alizee's looks--- isn't it???

Does that make sense?

It makes sense and if Julia had all the charm of Alizee, it still wouldn't be the same. There are some things that Alizee does during her performances, like the head dip, but other traits that are just part of her normal personality. Her face scrunch is one. Sense of humor is another.

I think we discussed this before in another thread, but what about if Alizee was a waitress at a restaurant that you frequent, and not a singer? However, you get a chance to know her pretty good by chatting every time she brings you your eggs over easy, side of bacon, and rye toast. Would she have the same effect over you?

Mr Coucou

12-16-2018, 03:45 AM

It makes sense and if Julia had all the charm of Alizee, it still wouldn't be the same. There are some things that Alizee does during her performances, like the head dip, but other traits that are just part of her normal personality. Her face scrunch is one. Sense of humor is another.

Yes. If Julia did the exact same head-dip, it wouldn't have anywhere near the same effect--- at least that's how I see it.

(So this means that Alizee's physical beauty is the essential ingredient-- doesn't it???)

In the last few days, I've been thinking of a chemistry analogy--- perhaps Alizee's physical beauty is the fuel, and her personality and mannerisms serve as a catalyst.

In the terms of the Eiffel Tower head-dip, Alizee's physical beauty would be the fuel and the head-dip would be the catalyst. And so we have:

fuel + catalyst ==> combustion

If we have Julia perform the head-dip, we have the head-dip action, but we don't have Alizee's physical beauty. In other words, we have catalyst but no fuel:

catalyst but no fuel ==> no combustion

Similarly, if we had Julia perform J'en Ai Marre, we would have the dance action, but we wouldn't have Alizee's physical beauty. Again, we would have catalyst, but no fuel:

catalyst but no fuel ==> no combustion

I think we discussed this before in another thread, but what about if Alizee was a waitress at a restaurant that you frequent, and not a singer? However, you get a chance to know her pretty good by chatting every time she brings you your eggs over easy, side of bacon, and rye toast. Would she have the same effect over you?

Your waitress hypothesis is a good point. As merely a waitress, I don't think Alizee would have anywhere near the same effect.

Again, I would argue that Alizee's physical beauty is the fuel. And her head-dipping, her mannerisms during interviews, her dancing and so on--- that which we perceive via Youtube---- works as a catalyst.

So as a waitress, we would have her physical beauty (fuel), but not the youtube imagery (catalyst).

fuel but no catalyst ==> no combustion

CleverCowboy

12-17-2018, 07:28 AM

Your waitress hypothesis is a good point. As merely a waitress, I don't think Alizee would have anywhere near the same effect.

Again, I would argue that Alizee's physical beauty is the fuel. And her head-dipping, her mannerisms during interviews, her dancing and so on--- that which we perceive via Youtube---- works as a catalyst.

So as a waitress, we would have her physical beauty (fuel), but not the youtube imagery (catalyst).

fuel but no catalyst ==> no combustion

I'm thinking you are implying that her social status, being a performer and having worldwide exposure on the Internet, gives her an edge over a girl that has everything she has, but is a waitress at Denny's?

Let's say Denny's Alizee decides to get a job at Hooters, where the label of being a "Hooters Girl" automatically brands the girl in men's mind as somebody more attractive and having more (ahem) "assets" than the rest. According to your theory, does that simple move it more of a catalyst for her?

I personally think that Alizee can produce the catalyst wherever she goes, whatever she does.

Shepherd

12-17-2018, 01:48 PM

I'm thinking you are implying that her social status, being a performer and having worldwide exposure on the Internet, gives her an edge over a girl that has everything she has, but is a waitress at Denny's?

Let's say Denny's Alizee decides to get a job at Hooters, where the label of being a "Hooters Girl" automatically brands the girl in men's mind as somebody more attractive and having more (ahem) "assets" than the rest. According to your theory, does that simple move it more of a catalyst for her?

I personally think that Alizee can produce the catalyst wherever she goes, whatever she does.

As attractive and charming as Alizée is if her friend had not registered her in the talent contest as a singer, instead of as a dancer the way Alizée wished, our girl would probably be married today to a greengrocer, have three kids, and worry about making ends meet. The world is full of beautiful girls with beautiful voices who never go anywhere. Without Mylene Farmer, Alizee would be an unknown.

I think Alizee's magic is threefold: her beauty, her charm, and the allusion that she is approachable like the girl next door. On the one hand, she appears perfect and on the other failable and vulnerable just like everyone else. She is one of the people. She is breakable and needs to be protected. Having said all that, she is also angelic and not approachable at all.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2454

CleverCowboy

12-17-2018, 02:42 PM

I think Alizee's magic is threefold: her beauty, her charm, and the allusion that she is approachable like the girl next door. On the one hand, she appears perfect and on the other failable and vulnerable just like everyone else. She is one of the people. She is breakable and needs to be protected. Having said all that, she is also angelic and not approachable at all.

This whole paragraph is good. That last sentence, however, is very interesting. :13:

Shepherd

12-18-2018, 02:23 AM

This whole paragraph is good. That last sentence, however, is very interesting. :13:

Let's take Scruffydog's video of Alizee signing photos on his last visit to Ajaccio. He is very much on his best behavior. The Scruff doesn't want to do the slightest thing that would cause the tiniest irritation in Alizee. I would have tried to behave in the exact same manner, but probably not as successfully. If Scruff offended her in any way, she would have ended the contact immediately. Scruff's highly controlled behavior suggests that although Alizee was gracious and easily approachable, the experience wasn't that simple for the Scruff. So, on the one hand, she was approachable. Scruffy went to the dance studio, there she was. He asked her to sign the photos and she did, but it wasn't a casual experience. It wasn't like buying toothpaste in a drugstore and being attended by the girl at the counter. It was closer to going to the drugstore, buying a tube of toothpaste and being attended to by the Queen of England. So let's say that after the signing, Scruff wanted to hang around and chit-chat for an hour or so. Forget it. That's not going to happen. Let's say she was single and Scruff offered to drive her home. Not going to happen. If Scruff was famous, maybe she would be willing to pale around with him, but even then there is no guarantee. There are very few people that can enter her circle and stay there. You and I might find a way to enter the circle for a few minutes, but that's it. She is not approachable. She has thousands of fans and cannot accommodate them all. There just is not enough of Alizee to go around. And let's face it, fans can be dangerous. She has to be careful. A complete stranger who might be in love with her is an awkward and possibly violent person to deal with. So here we are in a totally ludicrous situation, being attracted to a woman we can never have a relationship with. This is, I think, one of the most bizarre things I have done in my life.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2549

CleverCowboy

12-18-2018, 07:35 AM

Let's take Scruffydog's video of Alizee signing photos on his last visit to Ajaccio. He is very much on his best behavior. The Scruff doesn't want to do the slightest thing that would cause the tiniest irritation in Alizee. I would have tried to behave in the exact same manner, but probably not as successfully. If Scruff offended her in any way, she would have ended the contact immediately. Scruff's highly controlled behavior suggests that although Alizee was gracious and easily approachable, the experience wasn't that simple for the Scruff. So, on the one hand, she was approachable. Scruffy went to the dance studio, there she was. He asked her to sign the photos and she did, but it wasn't a casual experience. It wasn't like buying toothpaste in a drugstore and being attended by the girl at the counter. It was closer to going to the drugstore, buying a tube of toothpaste and being attended to by the Queen of England. So let's say that after the signing, Scruff wanted to hang around and chit-chat for an hour or so. Forget it. That's not going to happen. Let's say she was single and Scruff offered to drive her home. Not going to happen. If Scruff was famous, maybe she would be willing to pale around with him, but even then there is no guarantee. There are very few people that can enter her circle and stay there. You and I might find a way to enter the circle for a few minutes, but that's it. She is not approachable. She has thousands of fans and cannot accommodate them all. There just is not enough of Alizee to go around. And let's face it, fans can be dangerous. She has to be careful. A complete stranger who might be in love with her is an awkward and possibly violent person to deal with.

I understand what you are trying to say. However, I think the situation that Scruffy found himself in was not conducive to anything more than taking care of business. There was a class in session and people in the waiting area. Being sensitive to Alizee's time in that situation was not much different than needing ten minutes of time from anybody else who is busy. And Alizee did make time for him in the middle of a work day, and she probably sensed that Scruffy was worried about being intrusive.

I think the language barrier is a factor as far as "extra" communication goes. Maybe if she was fluent in English, while signing she might have asked something like "So, where are you from?". It's hard to tell.

So here we are in a totally ludicrous situation, being attracted to a woman we can never have a relationship with. This is, I think, one of the most bizarre things I have done in my life.

Same. :)

Edit:

This short clip of a photo shoot with Julia was posted on her IG feed, and I loaded it on my Google drive. She thinks it is cute to flip the bird at the camera multiple times.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17uYn2LhGDay4tMXLkss9aW2JQf6flRLw

The girl doesn't have much charm.

eru777

12-18-2018, 08:59 AM

This short clip of a photo shoot with Julia was posted on her IG feed, and I loaded it on my Google drive. She thinks it is cute to flip the bird at the camera multiple times.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17uYn2LhGDay4tMXLkss9aW2JQf6flRLw

The girl doesn't have much charm.

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Woah I didn't expect that

Fall

12-18-2018, 02:22 PM

As attractive and charming as Alizée is if her friend had not registered her in the talent contest as a singer, instead of as a dancer the way Alizée wished, our girl would probably be married today to a greengrocer, have three kids, and worry about making ends meet. The world is full of beautiful girls with beautiful voices who never go anywhere. Without Mylene Farmer, Alizee would be an unknown.

That sounds like a very 1950's perspective. You're basically saying that she wouldn't have amounted to much in life and earned little if anything, had she not been "discovered" by MF.

Alizée is a beautiful girl with a beautiful voice - who didn't want to enter into a singing competition, but rather a dancing competition. She's intelligent and headstrong, not to mention a born dancer. She may not have had millions, but I think she could have opened her own dance school or taken over her old teacher's school eventually. It's really not a big stretch to imagine her having a successful career in whatever field she chose.

Scruffydog777

12-18-2018, 10:13 PM

Well this is something I've offered opinions on in the past. I've said and I still believe if it wasn't for MF/LB, we would've never heard the name Alizée. Maybe if she had entered the dancing competition and won, her best hope would be to have wound up as a back up dancer for some super star such as one by the name of Alizée and what kind of career do back up dancers have and what kind of money do they make?

But I honestly feel Alizée is very good at what ever she puts a lot of work into. In school, she was following in her father's footsteps and pursuing an education in engineering and I have no doubt she would have done very well in her class and gone on to have a very successful career in that field.

Shepherd

12-18-2018, 10:50 PM

But I honestly feel Alizée is very good at whatever she puts a lot of work into. In school, she was following in her father's footsteps and pursuing an education in engineering and I have no doubt she would have done very well in her class and gone on to have a very successful career in that field.

I have to agree with that. There is also a possibility that she might have had a second or even a third chance to succeed in entertainment.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2301

Edit:

I think the language barrier is a factor as far as "extra" communication goes. Maybe if she was fluent in English, while signing she might have asked something like "So, where are you from?". It's hard to tell.

Same. :)

Edit:

This short clip of a photo shoot with Julia was posted on her IG feed, and I loaded it on my Google drive. She thinks it is cute to flip the bird at the camera multiple times.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17uYn2LhGDay4tMXLkss9aW2JQf6flRLw

The girl doesn't have much charm.

The language barrier is definitely a problem. Even without the language problem, I think the situation would still be difficult unless you were relaxed, funny, and charming.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=221&pictureid=2304

As for Julie flashing the finger, I was thinking she might have been instructed to do that because she was smiling as she did it, kept doing it, and held it while they took her photo. Someone might have thought it was sexy and that it went with the song's title. Otherwise, it seems terribly unprofessional.

Mr Coucou

12-19-2018, 04:50 AM

I'm thinking you are implying that her social status, being a performer and having worldwide exposure on the Internet, gives her an edge over a girl that has everything she has, but is a waitress at Denny's?

Youtube gives me a sense of "knowing" Alizee, that's all.

If Alizee was my waitress at Denny's and not on youtube, I would be attracted to her but there wouldn't be this sense of "knowing" her. And so she wouldn't have the same effect on me.

Let's say Denny's Alizee decides to get a job at Hooters, where the label of being a "Hooters Girl" automatically brands the girl in men's mind as somebody more attractive and having more (ahem) "assets" than the rest. According to your theory, does that simple move it more of a catalyst for her?

Hooters wouldn't make any difference; Alizee would still just be my waitress-- without youtube, there would be no sense of "knowing" her. It would be no different than Denny's.

I personally think that Alizee can produce the catalyst wherever she goes, whatever she does.

Let me ask you--- if Alizee was just your waitress, what effect would she have on you? Would the Lillly bug bite???

CleverCowboy

12-19-2018, 08:26 AM

Let me ask you--- if Alizee was just your waitress, what effect would she have on you? Would the Lillly bug bite???

Remember, we have had a conversation about Alizee's facial features and the uniqueness of it that causes the initial attraction. Her personality traits and charms are like icing on the cake. Her performances, which both highlight her femininity and sexiness, blows it out of the water.

If she was a waitress at a place that I frequented, I would be instantly attracted to her even if I never spoke a word to her. She just has that look that I like, and the smile would kill me. If most every time I went in to eat at the Denny's, she was my waitress and have a chance to small talk her and get to know her a little better each time and all her charms were becoming revealed, you bet I would be crushing on her real hard. If she was young and single and I was young and single, I wouldn't want an opportunity to slip by.

Of course, Denny's waitresses don't wear a sailor suit and do the JEAM dance for the customers, so the extent of her sexiness would not come out in that atmosphere, but I think you would see flashes of it.

Edit:

The language barrier is definitely a problem. Even without the language problem, I think the situation would still be difficult unless you were relaxed, funny, and charming.

We have all had our moments where our best side comes out easily, even when among people we have never met. Except for the rare few who might be in positions of great power or sociopathic, being relaxed, funny, and charming when meeting strangers in all situations is not possible, in my opinion. You might get the same knot in the stomach feeling when meeting Alizee, Bill Gates, the cop that pulled you over for an unknown infraction, and so on. Scruffy had to overcome his greatest fears when walking into that studio, and hats off to him.

As far as Alizee herself, I'm sure she still struggles with being shy and timid, even though she has gotten better. I remember reading when her and Mylene would both sit in long silences and say nothing because both were shy. Somebody has to step up and be the ice breaker. When I imagine Alizee living her daily life in Ajaccio, she has to interact with the locals all the time, whether it be the salesperson at her favorite shoe store (which are many), or the checkout clerk at the grocery store. I'm certain she doesn't act like she's the Queen and everybody else are her serfs, but rather engages in small talk often.

Mr Coucou

12-20-2018, 05:42 AM

Remember, we have had a conversation about Alizee's facial features and the uniqueness of it that causes the initial attraction.

Let me go back for a moment--- if you don't mind--- to Alizee's facial features.

Previously we were talking about Julia; you said you thought Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age by looks. I said that I thought Julia is in the top 15% by looks.

Okay, what about Alizee???

Let's focus on the young Alizee--- the MFLB Alizee.

Looking at still photographs of the young Alizee--- what do you think??? Would you say that Alizee is in the top 20% of girls by looks? Top 15%? Top 10%? Top 5%? Top 1%? What do you think???

(My answer: based on how my brain reacts to Alizee, I would say that Alizee is in the top 1/4 of one percent by looks or something like that. But at the same time, its weird-- I'm not sure exactly what it is my brain is seeing.)

Scruffydog777

12-20-2018, 10:38 AM

I've done a lot of reflecting, a lot of soul searching on why Alizée means so much to me and us in the past few weeks, but unfortunately, because of my recent vacation, which has put me way behind on all the Christmas related stuff I have to do, I probably wont be able to say all I want to say until late next week at the earliest.

All I can say for now is as Neo was in the Matrix to his world, in our world........she is the one!

https://youtu.be/Vy7RaQUmOzE?t=174

CleverCowboy

12-20-2018, 01:00 PM

Let me go back for a moment--- if you don't mind--- to Alizee's facial features.

Previously we were talking about Julia; you said you thought Julia is in the top 10% of girls her age by looks. I said that I thought Julia is in the top 15% by looks.

Okay, what about Alizee???

Let's focus on the young Alizee--- the MFLB Alizee.

Looking at still photographs of the young Alizee--- what do you think??? Would you say that Alizee is in the top 20% of girls by looks? Top 15%? Top 10%? Top 5%? Top 1%? What do you think???

(My answer: based on how my brain reacts to Alizee, I would say that Alizee is in the top 1/4 of one percent by looks or something like that. But at the same time, its weird-- I'm not sure exactly what it is my brain is seeing.)

I put Julia in the top 10% of the age group 18-25, not girls her age. I mentioned I felt Julia has matured enough at 17 to fit into that age range. In other words, she's not going to grow any more, and she will look at 18 like she does now.

With Alizee, the MF/LB Alizee, I have to treat the "girl" Alizee from the "woman" Alizee separately. As a 16 year old, she was extremely pretty, and even though I didn't like her hair short like she had it, I would put her in the top 2% of that age.

The latter half of her MF/LB years... totally different story. She was dazzling. Like from another planet beautiful. I haven't seen every woman in the world, but after over five decades I have seen a lot. She is no doubt the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. But as we talked about before, somebody else might not look twice at her. What I can say is that she causes a reaction in my brain like no other.

Scruffy cut out 10 seconds of her Eiffel Tower Performance and put it on YouTube. I call it the most beautiful 10 seconds on the Internet. It's not a still picture, but you can stop the video at any point and there would be your still. Looking at her here, there is absolutely nothing that I can see to improve her beauty. It's like perfect beauty. How can you even put that in a percentage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB4Lf1Ezomg

Scruffydog777

12-21-2018, 03:26 AM

…………………………..Scruffy cut out 10 seconds of her Eiffel Tower Performance and put it on YouTube. I call it the most beautiful 10 seconds on the Internet. It's not a still picture, but you can stop the video at any point and there would be your still. Looking at her here, there is absolutely nothing that I can see to improve her beauty. It's like perfect beauty. How can you even put that in a percentage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB4Lf1Ezomg

Those 10 seconds might be all the evidence we need to show why Julia can't bring to the world what Alizee did. There's such a sweetness, a gentleness in that look that you can't rehearse, you can't manufacture and near the end a look of embarrassment I think over what was going on in the audience.

Here too is another of those special moments where after one of her performances, the emcee is talking and shows some clips of other emcees around the world and how they introduce Alizee and at the end of it, they start playing ML and the crowd starts clapping along with this music and she get's this embarrassed look on her face with I think might be a characteristic of hers, a little head tilt at :08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43FFCLZt4SM

Here's a similar head tilt that's difficult to see unless you have a desktop monitor. It's at about the :08 mark. Its the reason I prefer this video over the great look of the Pour Laurette performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd6fuPQ-294

CleverCowboy

12-21-2018, 09:11 AM

Here's a similar head tilt that's difficult to see unless you have a desktop monitor. It's at about the :08 mark. Its the reason I prefer this video over the great look of the Pour Laurette performance.

I am partial to the JEAM Pour Laurette performance because that was my first Alizee video. So long ago, but still remember like it was yesterday.

Maybe part of the appeal is that Alizee has so much personality, it shows up on her face in various expressions that might only last a second, but they are so charming that it just hooks you.

The Tubes D'un Jour version of JEAM is her most popular. It's not my favorite, but there are 3 seconds in it which make the video. It's at the 3:04 mark, where she starts making her turn. She is looking back at the audience while she turns, then looks down and gives her hips an extra kick to the side like she means it. Then looks up and smiles. Super sexy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk

Mr Coucou

12-22-2018, 01:59 AM

The latter half of her MF/LB years... totally different story. She was dazzling. Like from another planet beautiful. I haven't seen every woman in the world, but after over five decades I have seen a lot. She is no doubt the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. But as we talked about before, somebody else might not look twice at her. What I can say is that she causes a reaction in my brain like no other.

Scruffy cut out 10 seconds of her Eiffel Tower Performance and put it on YouTube. I call it the most beautiful 10 seconds on the Internet. It's not a still picture, but you can stop the video at any point and there would be your still. Looking at her here, there is absolutely nothing that I can see to improve her beauty. It's like perfect beauty. How can you even put that in a percentage?

I know what you mean about "perfect beauty"--- I see the same thing.

Let me ask you about the "girl next door" thing. People talk about Alizee having a "girl next door" look. You yourself said this earlier in this thread:

Alizee to me seemed like the girl next door, and perhaps others see that as well. That familiarity could account for the instant attraction and the feeling that there is a sincerity in her that is unlike the others.

Here's my question for you:

Is "girl next door" something that can be seen in a still photograph, or is it some other quality?

When you look at a still frame from the Eiffel Tower video, do you see "girl next door"??

CleverCowboy

12-22-2018, 01:37 PM

Here's my question for you:

Is "girl next door" something that can be seen in a still photograph, or is it some other quality?

When you look at a still frame from the Eiffel Tower video, do you see "girl next door"??

I guess the best way to describe the "girl next door" is a girl who appeals to traditional gender norms, and has the allure of purity, simplicity, and charm, with a natural, effortless beauty.

In the Eiffel tower video, is she all of this? Definitely YES! :)

Mr Coucou

12-23-2018, 08:58 AM

I guess the best way to describe the "girl next door" is a girl who appeals to traditional gender norms, and has the allure of purity, simplicity, and charm, with a natural, effortless beauty.

In the Eiffel tower video, is she all of this? Definitely YES! :)

Speaking of Alizee's face, do you have any thoughts as to what physical characteristics make Alizee's face so beautiful??? By characteristics, I mean in terms of facial structure (eyes, nose/mouth shape, that kind of thing.)

The characteristic that I keep coming back to is that Alizee--- again, I'm talking about the young Alizee-- is that she looks slightly like a boy.

I watch the various En Concert songs on a regular basis--- to me, she's absolutely beautiful there-- and I've convinced that the "boyishness" in her face is what gives Alizee her beauty.

No one would mistake Alizee for a boy--- her features are extremely feminine--- and yet at the same time, she vaguely resembles a boy. Do you know what I mean?

I'm not attracted to boys--- I'm just saying that the subtle boyishness in her face is beautiful, somehow. Its fascinating, visually stunning.

What are your thoughts on that?

What characteristics do you think make Alizee's face so incredibly beautiful???

Just wonder if you have any ideas. I really wish I understood what it is about Alizee's face.

Scruffydog777

12-24-2018, 06:11 AM

Well I wasn't preparing this post in response to Mr Coucou's post, but it does somewhat address it.

In response to a post in another thread, I was revisiting her performance of Amelie m'a dit En Concert. It's a performance that doesn't get as much press as many of her other performances, maybe because the sexiness isn't built in for lack of a better term as it is in ML, JPVA and JEAM, but it's where her beauty shines through.

Of course Amelie is the fictional character from the movie of the same name about a waitress in Paris, who after hearing about the death of Princess Diana, decides to change her life by helping others. So it's a touching story. Audrey Tautou played the role of Amelie. The movie came out in 2001 and this song came out in 2003.

Julia has a hardness to her beauty, kind of like Cindy Crawford. Cindy is an extremely beautiful woman, but I always thought there was a hardness, a seriousness to her look that I thought this is not a happy go lucky girl. This is not a woman who is easy to amuse and I feel the same is probably true of Julia.

Alizée has such a happy go lucky, easy to please look to her, even if these three women were on the same level of beauty and actually they probably are, you would quickly choose Alizée.

That hardness that is 'seldom' evident in Alizée is what enables her to deliver such a touching performance as she did with Amelie m'a dit en concert.

Look at the beginning of this clip here, there is something in her expression, something in the way she moves her eyebrows that Cindy and Julia could never have achieved. It is so soft and beautiful, because the feeling that is being portrayed is something that is genuine inside this woman...
http://youtu.be/jU-aPr6xFSU?t=125

Look at this moment here, a moment I think we all know well. Alizée apparently laughs in response to a sign held up saying "You are beautiful". The line in the song says "I"m not beautiful.....it's an illusion." Cindy wouldn't have laughed and Julia I feel, wouldn't have laughed either.

http://youtu.be/jU-aPr6xFSU?t=88

Look at this still from that performance. It shows a young man mesmerized by Alizée. He could have been surrounded by a bevy of beautiful women, but I'm sure the only one he would have noticed was Alizée, because there is something
that sets her apart. There is a wolf in the background too.

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Of course this song had been rumored to have been her next single at the time, but apparently she had already made the decision to leave MF. If she hadn't, I think this song as opposed to her other English songs that weren't well translated by MF, would have been a hit and would have been her introduction into the U.S. market and she would have swept this country off it's feet.

CleverCowboy

12-24-2018, 09:59 AM

Speaking of Alizee's face, do you have any thoughts as to what physical characteristics make Alizee's face so beautiful??? By characteristics, I mean in terms of facial structure (eyes, nose/mouth shape, that kind of thing.)

The characteristic that I keep coming back to is that Alizee--- again, I'm talking about the young Alizee-- is that she looks slightly like a boy.

I watch the various En Concert songs on a regular basis--- to me, she's absolutely beautiful there-- and I've convinced that the "boyishness" in her face is what gives Alizee her beauty.

No one would mistake Alizee for a boy--- her features are extremely feminine--- and yet at the same time, she vaguely resembles a boy. Do you know what I mean?

I'm not attracted to boys--- I'm just saying that the subtle boyishness in her face is beautiful, somehow. Its fascinating, visually stunning.

What are your thoughts on that?

What characteristics do you think make Alizee's face so incredibly beautiful???

Just wonder if you have any ideas. I really wish I understood what it is about Alizee's face.

I think I am going to take the opposite view. Instead of Alizee having some resemblance to a boy, I think boys that age often still have "baby faces" that are associated with feminine traits.

My first impressions of Alizee was just how feminine she was, and at the same time in America the women were trying to become more masculine. Alizee didn't try to hide it, yet at the same time she seemed strong and not like some sort of waif.

Most people will say they like Alizee's smile best, and she does have an incredible smile. I am transfixed on her eyes though. I know I have brought this up one other time in the past, but her eyes have a vaguely Asian look sometimes. I don't know if her family history has an Asian in it or her eyes just formed the way that they did, but I love her eyes. Example is the J'en Ai Marre Official Video. She is lying down and looking at the camera and at around 1:06 she does the "come hither" thing with her finger. Her eyes slightly look Asian in my opinion. What do you think?

This like will take you to a few seconds before:
https://youtu.be/BctzxD52SW0?t=64

Edit:

Julia has a hardness to her beauty, kind of like Cindy Crawford. Cindy is an extremely beautiful woman, but I always thought there was a hardness, a seriousness to her look that I thought this is not a happy go lucky girl. This is not a woman who is easy to amuse and I feel the same is probably true of Julia.

Well put. A hardness. I thought Cindy Crawford was very beautiful as well, but she did come across the way you say. As for the models today, they all seem very robotic and cold coming down that runway. Might be because they are starving!

A supermodel that did not send out that vibe in my opinion was Christie Brinkley. She was like the All American girl in many ways. I think we all remember this :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-z_TeJObU

Mr Coucou

12-25-2018, 10:10 AM

I think I am going to take the opposite view. Instead of Alizee having some resemblance to a boy, I think boys that age often still have "baby faces" that are associated with feminine traits.

Whatever it is, Alizee’s face is one of the most beautiful faces I think I’ve ever seen. I want to know why!

Most people will say they like Alizee's smile best, and she does have an incredible smile. I am transfixed on her eyes though. I know I have brought this up one other time in the past, but her eyes have a vaguely Asian look sometimes. I don't know if her family history has an Asian in it or her eyes just formed the way that they did, but I love her eyes. Example is the J'en Ai Marre Official Video. She is lying down and looking at the camera and at around 1:06 she does the "come hither" thing with her finger. Her eyes slightly look Asian in my opinion. What do you think?

As far as people saying that its her smile, I think it just seems that way. We can apply a big smile to Alizee’s face. Similarly, we can apply a big smile to Ellen Degeneres’s face. Which smile is more attractive??? I would suggest that the difference doesn’t lie in the smile itself, but rather in the face to which the smile has been applied.

I do think that Alizee has pretty eyes--- in the sense that we could look at photographs of just the eye region of her face and it would be evident that she has very attractive, feminine-looking eyes.

I looked at that part of the JEAM video you mentioned; I don’t think her eyes look particularly asian. Although her eyes themselves don’t look asian, if someone described the young Alizee as looking like an “asian princess”, I would agree with that.

Speaking of asian eyes, here’s a video “Asian eyes are more common than you think”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTnVWgOGLc

Edit:

Julia has a hardness to her beauty, kind of like Cindy Crawford. Cindy is an extremely beautiful woman, but I always thought there was a hardness, a seriousness to her look that I thought this is not a happy go lucky girl. This is not a woman who is easy to amuse and I feel the same is probably true of Julia.

On the basis of still photographs alone, I would take Alizee over Julia and Cindy. Julia isn’t too bad--- but I’ve never found Cindy Crawford to be attractive at all. “Hardness” is a fantastic term.

Look at the beginning of this clip here, there is something in her expression, something in the way she moves her eyebrows that Cindy and Julia could never have achieved. It is so soft and beautiful, because the feeling that is being portrayed is something that is genuine inside this woman...

Two things stand out about Alizee from a biological perspective: her physical beauty and her motor reflexes. Alizee not only “looks perfect”, she “moves perfect.”

I think the way Alizee moves her eyebrows (and so on) comes down more to her motor reflexes than to personality. She has extremely good control of her voluntary movements, and that includes her facial gestures. It allows for greater expressiveness when performing.

Edit:

Look at the beginning of this clip here, there is something in her expression, something in the way she moves her eyebrows that Cindy and Julia could never have achieved. It is so soft and beautiful, because the feeling that is being portrayed is something that is genuine inside this woman...
http://youtu.be/jU-aPr6xFSU?t=125

The reason Cindy and Julia couldn't do this subtle eyebrow move like Alizee does is the same reason they could never perform J'en Ai Marre like Alizee does---- they don't have Alizee's motor reflexes because they don't have Alizee's nervous system.

Alizee is a sweet person--- probably sweeter than Julia and I would say definitely sweeter than Cindy--- but this isn't why Alizee can do these things. Alizee can do these things because she has superior motor reflexes, it has nothing to do with Alizee being sweet. Motor reflexes are motor reflexes, regardless if one is sweet or not.

That said, Alizee is a sweet person. And her personality literally screams "woman". Icing on the cake! Alizee is everything a woman should be.

eru777

12-25-2018, 01:11 PM

All this Julia vs Alizee talk has made me want to see a dance battle between the two.
Let's see both of them do the j'en ai marre dance, and let the audience be the judge. Lol

CleverCowboy

12-26-2018, 08:12 AM

All this Julia vs Alizee talk has made me want to see a dance battle between the two.
Let's see both of them do the j'en ai marre dance, and let the audience be the judge. Lol

It wouldn't be close. I don't think Julia knows how to dance real well.

eru777

12-26-2018, 09:28 AM

https://i.imgur.com/gHh24qK.png

She may not have the charm of Alizee, but she's cute.
(Taken from her instagram https://www.instagram.com/julia/)

Mr Coucou

12-26-2018, 09:48 AM

It wouldn't be close. I don't think Julia knows how to dance real well.

Alizee is not only better than Julia, she's better than Greg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4H_OWlgw0&feature=youtu.be&t=148

Look at 2:28 to 2:31

Alizee's movements are quicker and more "sudden", and she also moves her arms up and down, whereas Greg only moves his shoulders. Etc.

Edit:

Speaking of JEAM, who created the JEAM dance? Does anyone know?

CleverCowboy

12-26-2018, 10:03 AM

I didn't know this version was around until today. I like it better. Julia has an outstanding voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSfB-D_YVI

Edit:

Alizee is not only better than Julia, she's better than Greg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4H_OWlgw0&feature=youtu.be&t=148

Look at 2:28 to 2:31

Alizee's movements are quicker and more "sudden", and she also moves her arms up and down, whereas Greg only moves his shoulders. Etc.

Alizee can definitely hold her own. She is probably more flexible and graceful than Greg. but Greg would be superior with moves that require more body strength. They make a great dance team. However, Greg is associated with being a "pro", and he can market himself as one better than Alizee.

CleverCowboy

05-03-2019, 04:42 PM

So, whatever happened to the Julia project?

I'm starting to think Mylene cut her losses and this is going nowhere. It's been 8 months since she released her video. The views dropped like a rock and now it's ice cold. If an album is still released, the timing would be very bad because there is very little interest now.

Mylene should have spent that time resurrecting Alizee's singing career. That would have generated global interest. :)

Scruffydog777

05-03-2019, 07:12 PM

It's hard to think why something notable hasn't happened with Julia so far, but Mylene has a tour starting in June I believe that will include, the last I heard about 10 cities. We'll have to look that up, but I would think if we're going to see an album for Julia, it will have to wait until after this tour is over, to get back on track.

Scruffydog777

05-04-2019, 08:16 AM

This looks to be her schedule for June and that's all I think there is at this point, so maybe later in the summer, she'll start working on someone else's album!

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Shepherd

05-04-2019, 06:14 PM

My first impressions of Alizee was just how feminine she was, and at the same time in America the women were trying to become more masculine. Alizee didn't try to hide it, yet at the same time she seemed strong and not like some sort of waif. [/URL]

My impression of many American female pop stars is that they gravitate toward pornography and a tough street persona especially when they think their careers are slipping, believing that's what the audience wants and what is in tune with the urban music culture.

Alizee has always been the girl next door. Despite the music industry's trends, she is faithful to herself, her place of birth, and her family. She knows she is sexy, but from the very beginning of her career, has consciously avoided being vulgar.

CleverCowboy

05-05-2019, 11:19 AM

My impression of many American female pop stars is that they gravitate toward pornography and a tough street persona especially when they think their careers are slipping, believing that's what the audience wants and what is in tune with the urban music culture.

Alizee has always been the girl next door. Despite the music industry's trends, she is faithful to herself, her place of birth, and her family. She knows she is sexy, but from the very beginning of her career, has consciously avoided being vulgar.

American pop stars often end up as train wrecks, especially when they start young. There are a lot of self-destructive traps you can find yourself in when you are making that much money and achieve that much fame. I find most to be of low character, and there does not seem to be no end to how low they will go to stay on top. Once they open their mouth to say something besides sing, that is even more of a turn off.

Alizee said herself that she wasn't going to get caught in the vulgarity trap. I read a piece written by somebody who's team was working with Alizee on some project (I believe it was around 2013). He described her as a "working class artist" and "the nicest person in the room". Everybody slips and says or does something that is a mistake and Alizee is no exception, but she has consistently shown herself to be somebody of high character and very classy. I respect her for never selling out on her convictions.

Shepherd

05-05-2019, 01:30 PM

Alizee would win

I think the biggest disadvantage Julia suffered was the comparisons made of her with Alizee. The comparisons were inevitable because she was contracted by Mylene, but they were deadly. Alizee's fans are conditioned to love her on sight while someone new is unfamiliar and fans need time to adjust to the difference. By herself, Julia might have made it. She is beautiful with an exquisite voice. But she is not Alizee.

Imagine being a seventeen-year-old man taking your first steps into the music business while being measured against Elvis Presley.

http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=223&pictureid=2526

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4H_OWlgw0

Paybays

05-20-2019, 06:49 PM

Still everything is better then Madonna...

So... how did her succes turn out?

CleverCowboy

05-21-2019, 10:16 AM

Still everything is better then Madonna...

So... how did her succes turn out?

Her success (or failure) is still unfolding. Julia's first released song last year (SEXTO) didn't do well. Her second, #MESUISTROMPÉE, was released less than a week ago. It is a better song in my opinion, but it's hard to judge the musical tastes of France.

CleverCowboy

06-11-2019, 02:10 PM

Julia's official video came out today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiFWM6C1Y9E

Scruffydog777

06-11-2019, 02:33 PM

Julia's official video came out today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiFWM6C1Y9E

Beautiful setting.....beautiful girl.....with a beautiful voice....with a very good song provided by MF and LB. I definitely enjoyed it, but unlike as was the case with a video that corresponds to a similar point in Alizee's career and that is Moi Lolita Amsterdam, I wont be watching this video a hundred times tonight.

Mylene Farmer didn't have the physical beauty, the charm, the sexiness of Alizee, yet somehow she's done so well. Is it because of the sexual themes of many of her songs? I don't know and don't pretend to know, but I'm left wondering.

I haven't looked into the English translation of these lyrics yet. If sexual content was a big part of MF's success and if there is a lot of sexual content here, maybe for the same reason MF's songs have done so well, this song will do well. All I know is that long before I knew the meaning of what she was singing in her performance in Amsterdam, I fell in love with the music, the song and more importantly the singer.

CleverCowboy

06-11-2019, 05:14 PM

Beautiful setting.....beautiful girl.....with a beautiful voice....with a very good song provided by MF and LB. I definitely enjoyed it, but unlike as was the case with a video that corresponds to a similar point in Alizee's career and that is Moi Lolita Amsterdam, I wont be watching this video a hundred times tonight.

Mylene Farmer didn't have the physical beauty, the charm, the sexiness of Alizee, yet somehow she's done so well. Is it because of the sexual themes of many of her songs? I don't know and don't pretend to know, but I'm left wondering.

I haven't looked into the English translation of these lyrics yet. If sexual content was a big part of MF's success and if there is a lot of sexual content here, maybe for the same reason MF's songs have done so well, this song will do well. All I know is that long before I knew the meaning of what she was singing in her performance in Amsterdam, I fell in love with the music, the song and more importantly the singer.

#MESUISTROMPÉE is a definite step up from SEXTO as far as the music goes, and is more modern. The best part of SEXTO was the Making of SEXTO, because it had Alizee in it.

Julia is beautiful and has a fantastic voice, but is it enough? To be honest, this video left me thinking "Meh". The muscular trapeze guy reminded me of Alizee's "A contre-courant" official video. In comparison, Alizee has a different energy level than Julia does. Alizee is vibrant and compelling in the ACC video. Her mixture of beauty, sexiness, yet down to earth qualities just boggles the mind because it's not just a sexual theme that many if not most female singers try to convey.

The video seemed low budget with a lot of CGI. Maybe MF being cautious? I don't know what the song is about because I have not looked up the lyrics, but if it is about a sexual theme, in my opinion they would be better served extending the GLAM video to be full length.

For those who have not seen it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK7dmUM3TwA

Shepherd

06-11-2019, 05:54 PM

I wish Julia well.

Scruffydog777

06-11-2019, 07:53 PM

............... The muscular trapeze guy reminded me of Alizee's "A contre-courant" official video. ............

I felt the same way.

CleverCowboy

08-07-2019, 11:08 AM

#MESUISTROMPÉE is doing "so-so" as far as views, not great. Not as well as SEXTO two months in. I'm curious whether Mylene will cut her losses and stop the project? I say less than 10% chance of an album now. What do you all think?

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Scruffydog777

08-08-2019, 04:25 AM

Shepherd

08-08-2019, 01:02 PM

It looks like MESUISTROMPÉE definitely has some disappointing numbers. S.E.X.T.O has done fair, but certainly isn't burning up the charts. I'd have to think they've been working on several songs for her and I think they'll take a look at her with these songs in the studio and from this, they should get an impression of whether or not they have potential.

This is disappointing. I enjoy both recordings and the videos are ok. Laurent Boutonnat and Mylene Farmer are talented composers. Although Julia is attractive and has an outstanding voice, I guess there's nothing in her personality that stands out. It's possible, the style of music is out of date. The market is flooded with attractive young women with talent trying to breakthrough. It's a tough profession and not much room at the top. Alizée was a phenomenon. Julia, although talented and beautiful, isn't.

I think my experience with Alizée is typical. I saw her once in J'en Ai Marre and was blown away. I couldn't get enough of her and spent the rest of the day hunting down every tidbit of her on the Internet. No entertainer in my lifetime has done that to me, and I don't expect it to happen ever again.

I doubt Alizée understands the phenomenon any more than I do. It's just something that happened to her. She didn't try anything special, she was just herself and it happened. Although Alizee is talented, there are many artists more talented, more knowledgeable about the business, and way more ambitious, and they don't do as well. An aspiring artist can not study Alizee's performance to pick up pointers that would help them succeed because it's not what Alizee did. It's who she is.

Take all the young women who have imitated J'en Ai Marre. Even when they perform with great precision, it falls flat because they aren't Alizee.

Aragorn97

08-08-2019, 02:26 PM

I think my experience with Alizée is typical. I saw her once in J'en Ai Marre and was blown away. I couldn't get enough of her and spent the rest of the day hunting down every tidbit of her on the Internet. No entertainer in my lifetime has done that to me, and I don't expect it to happen ever again.

I doubt Alizée understands the phenomenon any more than I do. It's just something that happened to her. She didn't try anything special, she was just herself and it happened. Although Alizee is talented, there are many artists more talented, more knowledgeable about the business, and way more ambitious, and they don't do as well. An aspiring artist can not study Alizee's performance to pick up pointers that would help them succeed because it's not what Alizee did. It's who she is.

Take all the young women who have imitated J'en Ai Marre. Even when they perform with great precision, it falls flat because they aren't Alizee.

Amen to that

CleverCowboy

08-08-2019, 08:07 PM

I think my experience with Alizée is typical. I saw her once in J'en Ai Marre and was blown away. I couldn't get enough of her and spent the rest of the day hunting down every tidbit of her on the Internet.

In an earlier thread I uncovered that original JEAM video that we both saw Alizee for the first time. :)

I used to get on my son's case for spending his mid teen years playing video games round the clock, his favorite being World of Warcraft. Ironically, if there was no WOW, I would never have stumbled across Alizee (dance of the night elf). I'm not sure if I should thank him or apologize for giving him a hard time. :13: :D

Scruffydog777

10-04-2019, 06:16 AM

An extract of Julia's new single is out. It will be interesting to see how this does.....

I like it. I think it will do well.

https://smarturl.it/Julia_PCTS?fbclid=IwAR2ZYbvX6DSFTJTKt6X7bS1k9UM_3H P8RnOl0CGRUrxv9-vxxCpFjk28nzY

CleverCowboy

10-15-2019, 10:57 AM

Julia has all of a sudden started posting stories on IG of her and a young man who presumably is her new boyfriend. It made me think about Alizee when she was working with Mylene how secretive Alizee was about any boyfriends she might have had.

How strategic is it for Julia's career to start advertising that she is "taken" or giving the illusion of it when the large majority of her followers are men, and most of them being young men? I felt that Mylene might have advised Alizee to keep her boyfriends private to increase her allure. While Alizee had very many female fans, Julia seems to not connect well with girls her age like Alizee did. For the young guys following Julia, these recent events might just have crushed their dreams and go elsewhere. I don't think it is a good move at all by Julia.

Silencio

10-15-2019, 08:19 PM

Julia has all of a sudden started posting stories on IG of her and a young man who presumably is her new boyfriend. It made me think about Alizee when she was working with Mylene how secretive Alizee was about any boyfriends she might have had.
This shows that brunettes are smarter than blondes. That's why I love Alizée and hope that she ends her singing career by an album with more appropriate name. :rolleyes:

Scruffydog777

10-15-2019, 10:33 PM

This was posted on FB by Julia a few hours ago so I guess they haven't given up yet...….

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But you have to compare this with the early video of Alizee lying in the field. As much as I feel for Julia......there is no comparison. There is no way you can duplicate what was in her soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-2TDwUYi4

CleverCowboy

10-16-2019, 11:31 AM

This was posted on FB by Julia a few hours ago so I guess they haven't given up yet...….

No, they haven't given up yet but how many times will they keep trying before they do? Julia needs a breakthrough hit. I wonder why Mylene hasn't leveraged Julia's fluent English speaking to release a song in English? Maybe Mylene does not have the ability to write meaningful English lyrics?

But you have to compare this with the early video of Alizee lying in the field. As much as I feel for Julia......there is no comparison. There is no way you can duplicate what was in her soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-2TDwUYi4

Alizee is like the girl next door. She's friendly and lovable. You are right about her soul and might I add heart? Here big personality matches her big heart.

I don't want this to come out wrong like I am being critical of Julia, but she hasn't developed the personality to be in the entertainment industry. She might never develop it. Looks can only take you so far. Girls her age might look at Julia as the girl who steals their boyfriends. Julia's life looks privileged based on her IG photos and she is a little shy, so it might send the signal that she is the snobby rich girl. Who knows? Maybe things can turn around for her.

CleverCowboy

10-25-2019, 07:32 AM

Julia has a new video out for her song Passe... comme tu sais.

It's not bad, but not great.

She has something right above her top lip she hasn't had before. It looks like a cold sore :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIHeCUog61E

Shepherd

10-25-2019, 08:54 PM

Julia is more beautiful than ever and the recording is lovely, but it will never make the top of the charts. There is nothing unique about it. Nothing that grabs you.

Edit:

I don't want this to come out wrong like I am being critical of Julia, but she hasn't developed the personality to be in the entertainment industry. She might never develop it. Looks can only take you so far. Girls her age might look at Julia as the girl who steals their boyfriends. Julia's life looks privileged based on her IG photos and she is a little shy, so it might send the signal that she is the snobby rich girl. Who knows? Maybe things can turn around for her.

A woman doesn't have to be beautiful or have a great personality to make the big time in the music industry, but she has to have something that stands out. Celine Dion has an awkward personality and, let's face it, she's not an outstanding beauty, but she has an amazing voice and terrific manager, and great music from the start of her career. Lady Gaga is not beautiful but she has incredible creative talents. Madonna had tremendous drive and intelligence. There's no denying that Alizee is beautiful, but the industry is full of beautiful women. So what makes Alizee great? Alizee had the good fortune to be born Alizee. Alizee is what makes Alizee great. I know Alizee must have worked hard as a teenager to develop her singing and dancing skills, but that alone isn't what made her. There are millions of girls all over the world working hard to make it in the entertainment industry and they will never make it to first base. Alizee was born into a beautiful family and made great by her parents from the day of her birth.

Scruffydog777

10-26-2019, 08:53 AM

I just looked through some charts, top 100 this, top 200 that, charts that included French singers and I see no sign of Julia. If she is going to do well, her career is off to a much slower start than Alizee's. Maybe they have a sleeper song or two in what ever songs they planned for an album...…..maybe not. But as they say at election time for some candidates....."The early returns don't look good." She needs to win Florida and Pennsylvania...….just kidding.

Silencio

10-26-2019, 10:46 AM

Julia has a new video out for her song Passe... comme tu sais.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIHeCUog61E

A few years ago Julia was hiding behind a tree from Alizée:

https://youtu.be/pvh-ieuM8yg?t=111

Now that Alizée's gone, Julia got up the courage to go out onto that glade: :D

https://youtu.be/cIHeCUog61E?t=44

CleverCowboy

10-28-2019, 10:31 AM

Alizee is what makes Alizee great.

This sums it up quite nicely. :)

Edit:

A few years ago Julia was hiding behind a tree from Alizée:

https://youtu.be/pvh-ieuM8yg?t=111

You ALMOST got me here! ;)

I do want to bring up a young female French singer that is doing quite well, and that is Louane. We have talked about her before on this forum. She is a beautiful young lady, and though not quite up to the caliber in that department as Alizee or even Julia, she exhibits girl next door qualities. In her video Avenir, she has this love/hate thing going with her boyfriend, similar to what is going on in the Julia video. Louane comes across as believable and full of personality, something that Julia fails to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niyGWxVE-e4

Silencio

10-29-2019, 09:15 AM

I do want to bring up a young female French singer that is doing quite well, and that is Louane.
Does the name Vendredi sur Mer mean anything to you?

CleverCowboy

10-29-2019, 09:34 AM

Does the name Vendredi sur Mer mean anything to you?

It does now. I looked the name up and watched a few videos. Not really my style.

Scruffydog777

10-29-2019, 01:17 PM

............

I do want to bring up a young female French singer that is doing quite well, and that is Louane. We have talked about her before on this forum. She is a beautiful young lady, and though not quite up to the caliber in that department as Alizee or even Julia, she exhibits girl next door qualities. In her video Avenir, she has this love/hate thing going with her boyfriend, similar to what is going on in the Julia video. Louane comes across as believable and full of personality, something that Julia fails to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niyGWxVE-e4

Does the name Vendredi sur Mer mean anything to you?

I really enjoy Louane's music and I like what I've discovered about her as a person, which to date isn't a whole lot. I like 2 of her other songs. I have a feeling there's probably more I like, but I just can't find the time to look into her music.
'Jour 1'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7w8HmimNE
'Alien'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XzbuPNTBNU

I too have not heard of Vendredi sur Mer and I too checked out some of her music but heard and saw nothing that interested me

CleverCowboy

10-31-2019, 03:33 PM

To not be blamed for hating young French singers, I can say that I've created a list for myself. It consists of 22 talented and promising French and francophone female singers, all under the age of 30. It is very interesting to be listening to and watching them, much more interesting than to be watching Alizée strokes her dogs or advertises strollers.

The only reason I got interested in French singers is because of Alizee. The ones I got interested in were performing along side of her during her Les Enfoires days. It was a refreshing change from the lame American pop scene. But, my history has always been about rock music. I especially like alt and prog rock, but you might catch me playing some heavy metal and punk on my iPod at the gym.

There are plenty of artists out there putting out music I don't care for at all. I would much rather watch Alizee petting Jon Snow than watching their videos. :)

Silencio

10-31-2019, 07:28 PM

There are plenty of artists out there putting out music I don't care for at all. I would much rather watch Alizee petting Jon Snow than watching their videos. :)
I wonder how could you became an Alizée fan at all if you're so scornful of modern French music. :dontknow:

RedRafe

10-31-2019, 08:37 PM

The only reason I got interested in French singers is because of Alizee…

There are plenty of artists out there putting out music I don't care for at all. I would much rather watch Alizee petting Jon Snow than watching their videos. :)

Yeah, that kind of puts my view of the whole thing in a nutshell… ;)

I’m not a “Francophile” and the only reason I had any interest in French music was Alizée only... :o

Purely Alizée... :o

The French “music scene” to me is an “utter irrelevance”. It tends to be just “self involved”, “self introspective”, “self indulgent” boring “Frankish twaddle” that makes no impact on the overall world music scene at all, really… ;)

I mean, good grief, not even the French seem to like it… :(

“France drops legal quota on French radio songs as DJs forced to play 'boring old ballads'”…

“Responding to increasing pressure from stations opposed to the quota, MPs voted on Wednesday to reduce quota from 40 to 35 per cent”…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12197192/France-drops-legal-quota-on-French-radio-songs-as-DJs-forced-to-play-boring-old-ballads.html

An interesting article…

Now, overall, if you look at Alizée’s music career from this kind of “perspective”, most especially in her “MF/LB” Lolli era, “problems”, “glitches” and “strategic mistakes” in her overall “career planning” become very evident.

The lyrics of most of her songs at that period were very very “French”, full of “double entendre” and very subtle, sly, French “wordplay”, that fitted the “projected image” and “genre perfectly”.

All fine and wonderful if you were French, or were part of that rather tiny “sphere of influence/interest”… :( ;)

However, if you were not French, then, you were kind of, stuck, for the lyrics of Alizée’s songs, translated into other languages, especially English, were meaningless, incomprehensible, unintelligible garbage, due to all this self-indulgent “frenchness”, and their love of “wordplay’… :(

They just translated soooo badly, and what is worse, there was no real attempt to redress this mistake, or actually release any kind of material that would be palatable for a “global”, ok, “English speaking”, audience...

MF just appeared to kind of “shrug”, which I will never ever forgive her for…

With the right material, Alizée, could have very easily had “global” audiences “at her feet”, “worshiping” her, not just a relatively small “franco-european” one…:mad:

It would have been so easy, really, and I can not figure out if it was a lack of “tactical/strategic planning”, lack of “foresight”, “envy”, or basically just “stupidity” on the part of Mylène, that this global "penetration" and "saturation" did not happen… :(

Or, maybe Mylène just kept Alizée as the “one shot”, “short duration”, “one trick pony” with a “short shelf life” that she had meant her to be, all along…

Regardless, it does not matter if Mylène either “fumbled” or “punted”, with regard to her projected “plays” for Alizée’s future. The result was the same.

An artiste who should have, and could have, easily, been a global star, is now a “dancer/dance instructor” in Corsica…

My totally utterly selfish self knows which one I would rather have seen…

And I apologize unreservedly for my selfishness… :o :poink:

Thanks for nothing Mylène… :PI:

Please learn from this… ;)

Aragorn97

10-31-2019, 11:25 PM

The lyrics of most of her songs at that period were very very “French”, full of “double entendre” and very subtle, sly, French “wordplay”, that fitted the “projected image” and “genre perfectly”.

All fine and wonderful if you were French, or were part of that rather tiny “sphere of influence/interest”… :( ;)

However, if you were not French, then, you were kind of, stuck, for the lyrics of Alizée’s songs, translated into other languages, especially English, were meaningless, incomprehensible, unintelligible garbage, due to all this self-indulgent “frenchness”, and their love of “wordplay’… :(

They just translated soooo badly, and what is worse, there was no real attempt to redress this mistake, or actually release any kind of material that would be palatable for a “global”, ok, “English speaking”, audience...

Sometimes I wonder if I (we?) tend to overrate Alizée and if she was just a one hit wonder...
I know this may sound as blasfemy and I've said before that I don't even put Alizée in my classifications because she would always be the best for me, but... I don't know, sometimes I feel as though she was very lucky with ML and then everything came because of her beauty and the popularity from the first album. As I said before in another thread, I consider MCE a masterpiece: it was the very first album that I have ever bought (this means a lot to me, because nowadays physical copies are mere collectionism, especially for the youngest generations). But at the same time MCE gives me the impression of a niche product: extremely high quality but no one cares about it, just a lot of advertising. Why did it gain success? I don't know if it was because of the popularity of the first album or people just like it. Obviously it was successful, but Gourmandises sold over 4 million copies, MCE I think less than 500.000 (250.000+ only in France...). There is an abyss between them.
When I think about francophone singers, there is only one name that comes to my mind: Stromae. He is one of most complete artists out there: musician, singer, song writer, dancer... Everything. And his songs are full of puns that only French-speaking people can understand, like Mylene's lyrics. But his fame is consistent and has a lot to offer to other people that don't speak French.
Now I don't know how the Alizée phenomenon was perceived back then because I was just a kid, but at the beginning I knew Alizée only because of ML, never heard of JEAM for 12 years. Then I found out that 90% of people liked her for her physical appearance: only ML and JEAM and maybe the sense of something new. But you don't see her while you are listening to a CD; first of all she was a singer: ML didn't need a dance to be explosive. I'm not sure about JEAM...
I repeat, I love her, she will always be the best to me, but I'm afraid that I'm too conditioned by all this situation and that I don't want to admit her real impact on the music world.

Edit:

To be honest I don't know if this is a theory or I just needed to vent, but I feel so sad when I see those numbers and people that talk only about her body and her ''nice'' outfits (obviously I'm not talking about this forum). She is more than this, she should be one of the most iconic pop figures alive, but it seems that people don't realise it. Or as is said, maybe she is overrated. I don't know.

RedRafe

11-01-2019, 12:06 AM

To be honest I don't know if this is a theory or I just needed to vent, but I feel so sad when I see those numbers and people that talk only about her body and her ''nice'' outfits (obviously I'm not talking about this forum). She is more than this, she should be one of the most iconic pop figures alive, but it seems that people don't realise it. Or as is said, maybe she is overrated. I don't know.

Aragorn, I agree with you wholeheartedly… :)

Firstly, you get to “adore” her, absolutely utterly nothing wrong with that. I do also, believe it or not… ;)

Secondly, “She is more than this”, absolutely… ;)

From my point of view her musical career looks like it was totally “mishandled”. “Opportunities” were “missed”, her “persona” as an artiste was not “developed” or “enlarged”, and there appears to have been no “operational” or “strategic” planning put in place to bring/offer her music to a wider global audience…

Hence, she ended up being effectively a “one trick pony”, as in a “little Gallic Goddess”, who "wiggled her bum", and sang “naughty” French stuff, to a mostly French audience, who were probably the only ones that could understand what on earth the lyrics were actually alluding to… :))) ;)

I believe she was capable of far more, and she most certainly deserved far more… ;)

With the correct handling she would have been a “global” star… ;)

Absolutely @#$%^&* shocking waste of real talent… :mad:

And as for her post MF/LB musical career, well, to be honest it “lacked” a wee bit in “direction”, but her stuff really wasn’t bad at all, I really quite enjoyed it, but, it wasn’t what the “Lolli addicted” “hoi polloi” wanted to see, so it was effectively “stuffed”, and kind of “withered on the vine”… :(

She was unfortunately “typecast” in the eyes of her devoted fans, and “that”, as they say, “was that”… :(

<sigh>

Who knows what could have been… :confused:

Aragorn97

11-01-2019, 06:42 AM

I believe she was capable of far more, and she most certainly deserved far more… ;)

With the correct handling she would have been a “global” star… ;)

Absolutely @#$%^&* shocking waste of real talent… :mad:

And as for her post MF/LB musical career, well, to be honest it “lacked” a wee bit in “direction”, but her stuff really wasn’t bad at all, I really quite enjoyed it, but, it wasn’t what the “Lolli addicted” “hoi polloi” wanted to see, so it was effectively “stuffed”, and kind of “withered on the vine”… :(

Absolutely true :(

CleverCowboy

11-01-2019, 07:37 AM

I wonder how could you became an Alizée fan at all if you're so scornful of modern French music. :dontknow:

I had to reread my post and I don't know how you came to this conclusion :confused:

I like what I like, but I don't like to waste time listening to music that does nothing for me. The fact is that I do like some French artists, and as I mentioned, I got introduced to them because they were participating in Les Enfoires with Alizee. My musical tastes vary widely, but it doesn't mean I have to like whatever I hear.

Edit:

They just translated soooo badly, and what is worse, there was no real attempt to redress this mistake, or actually release any kind of material that would be palatable for a “global”, ok, “English speaking”, audience...

MF just appeared to kind of “shrug”, which I will never ever forgive her for…

With the right material, Alizée, could have very easily had “global” audiences “at her feet”, “worshiping” her, not just a relatively small “franco-european” one…:mad:

I've wondered whether Mylene feared Alizee would become bigger than her. When Mylene selected her, Alizee was still a bit awkward, pretty but nothing compared to the beauty she was to become in the following years.

Edit:

To be honest I don't know if this is a theory or I just needed to vent, but I feel so sad when I see those numbers and people that talk only about her body and her ''nice'' outfits (obviously I'm not talking about this forum). She is more than this, she should be one of the most iconic pop figures alive, but it seems that people don't realise it. Or as is said, maybe she is overrated. I don't know.

There was a member here that once posted that Alizee was the prettiest in her MCE days, but "hottest" during the Psych era. Even though I am past the age where I would use the word "hot" to describe a woman, I think the member was spot on. She might have lost some of her appeal in France because she was no longer a teenager and instead a wife and mother, but her popularity grew elsewhere in the world. She was dazzling, worthy of a walk down the red carpet in Hollywood. :)

Aragorn97

11-01-2019, 08:56 AM

There was a member here that once posted that Alizee was the prettiest in her MCE days, but "hottest" during the Psych era. Even though I am past the age where I would use the word "hot" to describe a woman, I think the member was spot on. She might have lost some of her appeal in France because she was no longer a teenager and instead a wife and mother, but her popularity grew elsewhere in the world. She was dazzling, worthy of a walk down the red carpet in Hollywood. :)

She IS dazzling!
Anyway I agree with that member. The Psychédélices era was exceptional from this point of view: she was incredibly beautiful. Sometimes I think about how meeting Alizée should be in every phase of life and that period has always amazed me.
I mean, I'm 22 and she was 23; this means that I could have met her in my university campus or in any other place I frequent. Basically we could have been friends or colleagues. This thought is almost unbelievable to me. I can't imagine her doing the same things I do. I feel as though she belongs to another category of people.
For example if I imagine Julia drinking a coffee in my university bar, I see it as normal, it's perfectly ok. But if I imagine that 23 year-old Alizée there, it seems so weird. It's as putting a Bengal tiger into kennels...

Edit:

And yes, I think that the main factor of her fading career is the change of attitude. She wanted to be considered as a woman, not a lolita. I think this is the main reason. Management, promotion, tattoos are just secondary things. People knew her as a lolita and wanted her to be that way. Once she had removed that character, she wasn't interesting anymore... That's why I find so sad how many people remember her.

Silencio

11-01-2019, 02:21 PM

I had to reread my post and I don't know how you came to this conclusion :confused:
Because you value Alizée dogs more than truly talented singers I introduced. :nono:

I like what I like, but I don't like to waste time listening to music that does nothing for me. The fact is that I do like some French artists, and as I mentioned, I got introduced to them because they were participating in Les Enfoires with Alizee. My musical tastes vary widely, but it doesn't mean I have to like whatever I hear.
You don't want to understand neither reasons for her musical failure nor background to possible successful comeback, right? Because if you did, you would be interested in exploring the field she has been playing. It is French music pop scene represented by young (or at least up to 40) female singers. Some of them sing in English (not doing very well), but the vast majority sing in French. The concurrency is fierce there. A very small number of people of France and francophone countries are willing to listen to 35 y.o. woman, no matter how beautiful she is, known mostly as a ballroom dancer over the last 5 years. Participation in Les Enfoires is not an indication of success in France and has never been such. It is mainly gathering of lazy old-timers who came there to take some setting sun. On the other hand, studying the market of young French female singers could help not only in analysing competitors but also in finding possible friends and companions in the hard cause of returning Alizée to the stage. I'm sorry for not finding understanding on this matter here. :(

CleverCowboy

11-01-2019, 03:10 PM

Because you value Alizée dogs more than truly talented singers I introduced. :nono:

You don't want to understand neither reasons for her musical failure nor background to possible successful comeback, right? Because if you did, you would be interested in exploring the field she has been playing. It is French music pop scene represented by young (or at least up to 40) female singers. Some of them sing in English (not doing very well), but the vast majority sing in French. The concurrency is fierce there. A very small number of people of France and francophone countries are willing to listen to 35 y.o. woman, no matter how beautiful she is, known mostly as a ballroom dancer over the last 5 years. Participation in Les Enfoires is not an indication of success in France and has never been such. It is mainly gathering of lazy old-timers who came there to take some setting sun. On the other hand, studying the market of young French female singers could help not only in analysing competitors but also in finding possible friends and companions in the hard cause of returning Alizée to the stage. I'm sorry for not finding understanding on this matter here. :(

Silencio... :stop: You are taking this much too seriously.

We all know here on this forum that Alizee's singing career is most likely done. Barring a miracle where Mylene gets back into the picture, Alizee does not have the skills to produce and market an album of her own. We still have a shred of hope, even if that shred isn't much.

If I can see Alizee in whatever way I can, even if it is her petting her dogs, and I prefer that over watching some musicians perform that I don't like, why is this so upsetting to you? :confused:

Whatever your feelings about Les Enfoires is, many of these "lazy old-timers" as you call them dedicate a piece of their lives year after year for charity. If you ever watched them, you will see many of the performers are not old, and for those that are, good for them for keeping at it. You seem persistent that performers have an expiration date and can be discarded after growing their first gray hair.

Scruffydog777

11-07-2019, 09:58 AM

From what I'm hearing on FB, there will be a single out on vinyl, followed by an album of 12 songs.

Silencio

11-22-2019, 01:06 PM

Maëlle has released her debut album today:

https://maelle.lnk.to/MAELLE

It will be interesting to compare its public reception with that of Julia's album (which will be released in 2020) to assess Mylène's producing capabilities in the modern market.

CleverCowboy

02-07-2020, 11:13 AM

I think a number of us still follow Julia on Instagram or Facebook. I think we all expected an album from Julia in 2019, maybe after Mylene completed her concert tour. Instead Julia released a few songs with videos, did a little modeling, went on vacation to S. Africa.

A few weeks ago, Julia posted a video of a machine cutting a vinyl record. By her post, I am assuming it is her full length album upcoming.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/P9t3fA.png

Then here in the last few days, she posts an interesting IG story.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/IBow7S.png

The French translates to "9th district of Paris" and then she says "The Come Back".

This is just my theory, but I think Mylene made the decision to rebrand Julia into something other than the new lolita. People were commenting in the SEXTO video that they heard Alizee was in it. For many of us, there is no replacement for Alizee when she was the protege of Mylene. I think Mylene miscalculated when she thought she could introduce somebody to follow in Alizee's footsteps and become another sensation in France. There is no following in Alizee's footsteps. She is just too unique. :)

Too much time has passed and Julia is looking at being 19 before long, so the success she achieves will have to be on her own merit. She is not a fresh new face anymore, so the album will have to be very good. It looks like we don't have to wait too much longer.

So I took her post of "The Come Back" to mean that the first go around did not go so well for her and Julia acknowledges that. This is the next shot.

Scruffydog777

02-08-2020, 05:22 AM

Her path to stardom is definitely evolving at a lot slower pace than Alizee's did. It'll be interesting to see what develops with her career, that's if she has a singing career.

Silencio

03-13-2020, 06:46 PM

As many predicted, Mylène is widely exploiting the sexual aspect of Julia.

Julia - Et toi mon amour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ8XncghD1I

Note that the clip doesn't contain low-res versions on YouTube. Is it intentional?

joebanana

03-13-2020, 11:24 PM

Scruffydog777

03-14-2020, 12:17 AM

As many predicted, Mylène is widely exploiting the sexual aspect of Julia...............

Julia - Et toi mon amour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ8XncghD1I

Agreed!

I like Julia. I wish her well. I think she's a beautiful young lady. I think she's a very nice young lady from the little I know about her. I like her voice. I like the music. It's an interesting video. It's a pleasant song, but quite frankly, as far as this video, I'm one and done.

CleverCowboy

03-14-2020, 11:53 AM

It's an interesting video. It's a pleasant song, but quite frankly, as far as this video, I'm one and done.

Same.

Promoting Julia as the new lolita failed. Alizee's got a lock on that. Then came the wait as Julia turned 18 and Mylene finished her tour. Now Julia can be sexploited like all the rest.

Keep in mind that Alizee came onto the scene when the global mood was very optimistic. She was like a breath of fresh air. Julia is releasing her album in a couple of weeks, and the global mood is just the opposite. Good luck to her because she will need it.

Silencio

03-14-2020, 02:46 PM

Keep in mind that Alizee came onto the scene when the global mood was very optimistic. She was like a breath of fresh air. Julia is releasing her album in a couple of weeks, and the global mood is just the opposite. Good luck to her because she will need it.
Well, they're trying to keep pace with the times. A girl walking briskly to a hospital due to a suspicion on some unknown disease is very relevant today. :)

CleverCowboy

03-14-2020, 05:11 PM

Well, they're trying to keep pace with the times. A girl walking briskly to a hospital due to a suspicion on some unknown disease is very relevant today. :)

If I am not mistaken, the guy used in this video is the same one used in SEXTO?

Silencio

03-14-2020, 06:53 PM

If I am not mistaken, the guy used in this video is the same one used in SEXTO?
Yes, Jamie Foxx with a Grace Jones haircut.

Scruffydog777

03-14-2020, 09:36 PM

Well, they're trying to keep pace with the times. A girl walking briskly to a hospital due to a suspicion on some unknown disease is very relevant today. :)

That's funny, but I guess to get a full understanding of what is going on here, we have to look at the lyrics, but I don't feel this song is worth the effort.

joebanana

03-15-2020, 01:04 AM

That's funny, but I guess to get a full understanding of what is going on here, we have to look at the lyrics, but I don't feel this song is worth the effort.

You are right, for a deeper understanding we should know the lyrics.
Most of the video clip is nothing special, but I liked the ending

Scruffydog777

03-15-2020, 11:11 PM

Because Microsoft is ending their support for Windows 7, I decided to switch my operating systems from Windows 7 to Windows 10, on my laptop and my desktop and I tell you it's been nothing but frustration. I was very happy with 7 and hated my previous experiences with 10.

I hated this system years ago when I first experienced it and now I hate it with a passion. Why would Microsoft want you to switch to a system that sucks, it's because of the incredible greed of Bill Gates.

He's now retiring so he can concentrate on giving away all the money he's earned. Why doesn't he concentrate on putting together a good operating system that his many victims will enjoy? It's so his company will be able to sell another half ass system today, so he can sell them another half ass system in years to come.

What brought this about is because after my new installation of Windows 10, I tried searching for Julia's lyrics to this song, then I tried to copy and paste it, something that was relatively easy with 7 and that and several other things were an exercise in futility.

CleverCowboy

03-16-2020, 05:22 AM

Because Microsoft is ending their support for Windows 7, I decided to switch my operating systems from Windows 7 to Windows 10, on my laptop and my desktop and I tell you it's been nothing but frustration. I was very happy with 7 and hated my previous experiences with 10.

I hated this system years ago when I first experienced it and now I hate it with a passion. Why would Microsoft want you to switch to a system that sucks, it's because of the incredible greed of Bill Gates.

Trust me I feel your pain... but eventually it does get better. Windows 7 was really a rock solid OS, the favorite of mine and of many others. I wished Microsoft would have listened to their customers and kept supporting it at least.

I have gotten used to Windows 10. It is pretty stable, but one thing I hate with a passion is that it does not allow you to halt the windows updates until you choose to install it. It will just update and reboot your system. It happened a few nights ago while I slept. I left a bunch of programs running overnight to resume the next day. When I got on my computer, they were all shut down. :mad: There are some tricks that I found to make this stop, but so far none have worked.

Scruffydog777

03-16-2020, 10:16 PM

Trust me I feel your pain... but eventually it does get better. Windows 7 was really a rock solid OS, the favorite of mine and of many others. I wished Microsoft would have listened to their customers and kept supporting it at least.

I have gotten used to Windows 10. It is pretty stable, but one thing I hate with a passion is that it does not allow you to halt the windows updates until you choose to install it. It will just update and reboot your system. It happened a few nights ago while I slept. I left a bunch of programs running overnight to resume the next day. When I got on my computer, they were all shut down. :mad: There are some tricks that I found to make this stop, but so far none have worked.

I was venting yesterday about Windows 10 and Bill Gates. I should of been in Europe this past week, but because of Corona, I've been redoing my bedroom, trying to repair old plaster walls.

Sunday was the one day I decided to take it easy. The only thing slightly difficult I chose to do was upgrade my desktop to Windows 10. What could go wrong? The installation seemed to go well, then I get to the part near the end where it asks you about different settings such as what language. Well I found my usb mouse and keyboard weren't working. I tried different usb ports and same thing.

My computer has a ps2 slot where you can plug in 1 ps2 device or use a y connector to plug in 2 ps2 devices. I had a ps2 keyboard but no mouse. I was able to navigate further, but still there were some pages where I needed to get to a certain selection but couldn't get to it. So I needed a mouse. I finally remembered I had a ps2 mouse I take with me when I travel (long story).

So I unplugged my keyboard and plugged in my mouse and voila.......along with the screen keyboard, I was able to get where I needed to go. So I went to the control panel and found out it was flagging all my drivers for the usb settings. I tried updating through the prompts, no help. I went to Asus to get the latest and it was no help. So for the time being, I powered up my newer desktop. I got it several months ago to have something that was vr capable, but I haven't bought anything vr yet, so I'm still using my older, but still very capable desktop.

So I powered up my new computer with windows 10 to do some on line investigation of my problems which went much quicker using an actual keyboard, but I started having other problems. The screen would lock up after about 30 seconds. As soon as I opened task manager, it would fix it self. I checked all the power options and there was no setting that called for putting anything in the system to sleep before 20 minutes.

Then I had another problem. I would do a search for "windows 10 usb drivers not working". Then I'd click on a return. I'd read that, then I'd hit the back arrow to get back to the list of hits, but instead of going back, it would open a new tab with the same page I was just on. No matter how many times I hit that back arrow, it would just keep opening that same page.

After doing some research on that, I found out that someone else who had the same problem found holding down the mouse scroll button for a few seconds would fix it. I tried it and it fixed it. Now pressing down the scroll wheel will turn on the scroll feature. I've done that many a time accidentally, but this was different. When you turn on the scroll feature, the cursor changes to let you know. That wasn't the case here. Like I said, you actually had to hold it down for a couple of seconds. I could find nothing about this in mouse settings.

So what I hoped to be the only easy day of my wasted vacation, turned out to be an exercise in futility and I still have problems to solve.

24Shepherd24

03-17-2020, 10:42 PM

Scruffydog777

03-18-2020, 10:15 AM

I enjoy almost all of Alizee's recordings and all those put out by Julia. The same people that produced Mylene Farmer's material also composed the music for Alizee and Julia, but for some reason, I'm untouched by anything MF does. I wonder, if Alizee or Julia sang Mylene's hits would I feel differently about that music?

The heck with Boutonnat is back.......Shepherd is back.....woohoo!

That's an interesting thought. If Alizee sang Mylene's hits, would it be the same? One of the amazing parts of listening to Alizee's songs is listening to the great music that goes with it. I've listened to numerous MF songs, thinking they'd do something for me but nothing. There's only one song of hers I really like, but I haven't added it to my listening list.

So was Boutonnat's music specifically tailored towards Alizee's voice? If it was, it would show an amazing ability on his part and something I'd love to hear a lot more of, hint, hint!

Here was a video I put together where you could listen to some of his music without having the distraction of Alizee's voice (distraction!!!!!!!). Of course there is still the distraction of her dancing and some of the best music is playing when she's singing.

I can't believe I left the beginning of Hey Amigo out of that video. It has the most beautiful beginnings imho.

3014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMkMw2Bp9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCxpj012sc

Bamagirl

03-18-2020, 04:30 PM

Here was a video I put together where you could listen to some of his music without having the distraction of Alizee's voice (distraction!!!!!!!). Of course there is still the distraction of her dancing and some of the best music is playing when she's singing.

I can't believe I left the beginning of Hey Amigo out of that video. It has the most beautiful beginnings imho.

Great job, Scruffy! Thank you for posting these.Your computer issues might be driving you crazy, but you certainly know how to put together great videos!

Scruffydog777

03-18-2020, 04:48 PM

Great job, Scruffy! Thank you for posting these.Your computer issues might be driving you crazy, but you certainly know how to put together great videos!

Thanks! It's been very frustrating. The main problem is with the usb drivers. I have an Asus motherboard and on their site, they have usb drivers for windows 10, but the computer blocks them. I even found some Asmedia drivers dated last year that Asus uses for their usbs in the Microsoft catalog, but the computer blocks them too.

I have 3 options
Reinstall Windows 7
Do a Windows 10 full install instead of just an upgrade, but I have little confidence in this
I could also buy another motherboard.

joebanana

03-19-2020, 02:19 AM

Thanks! It's been very frustrating. The main problem is with the usb drivers. I have an Asus motherboard and on their site, they have usb drivers for windows 10, but the computer blocks them. I even found some Asmedia drivers dated last year that Asus uses for their usbs in the Microsoft catalog, but the computer blocks them too.

I have 3 options
Reinstall Windows 7
Do a Windows 10 full install instead of just an upgrade, but I have little confidence in this
I could also buy another motherboard.

I installed Windows 10 2 times and it was always a painful process with a lot of frustration.
There is always a solution for everything,just watch totorials on youtube and I'm sure it will help you.
Sometimes the solution is very simple.
I remember that i had some bug with a mouse, then i was thinking of buying a new ax :mad: (not for splitting wood :) )
After watching a lot of tutorials i found my solution to the problem which was very simple :aha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLVDQ6LeTJ0

Silencio

04-05-2020, 11:36 AM

Release of Julia's album has been postponed to June 19 due to the pandemic.

And in the meantime, I've found an "ancient version" of Julia. :D

Arielle Dombasle - Rhum and Coca Cola

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG0VS5d7Fl4

CleverCowboy

04-05-2020, 05:47 PM

Release of Julia's album has been postponed to June 19 due to the pandemic.

Julia has been victim of some bad luck during this whole project. Things have moved much too slowly, through no fault of hers. Her reception has been lukewarm, and frankly, stripping down to her underwear in her last video is a sign of desperation. It is probably over-optimistic that come June, France will be back to normal. I'm afraid to say she will have a tough go at it.

BroKenSkullDG

06-21-2020, 10:06 AM

CleverCowboy

06-23-2020, 09:49 AM

I really enjoy her Album, now that it's out. Reactions in France are mixed to positive so far, with most seemingly taking issue with Boutonnat's "outdated" Arrangements, I personally love the Retro feel it has. It isn't as good as Gourmandises or MCE, but that was to be expected. I also can't help but feel, that they released the wrong Singles to promote the Album. My Lovely Day would have been far better as Lead Single than SEXTO. Interestingly, the Photos for the Album were taken by LB, just like he did for Gourmandises, It's not a common thing for him to do that. Let's see how it does Chart wise.

Do you have a favorite web site to track music? Billboard is subscription only.

The "outdated" word was used quite a bit in comments about SEXTO. There are still a lot of people who like the retro sound, including myself. Modern music seems to all sound the same to me.

I wish Julia well, but I still think the delays will hurt her future prospects. It might be a one and done.

BroKenSkullDG

06-23-2020, 02:43 PM

Do you have a favorite web site to track music? Billboard is subscription only.

The "outdated" word was used quite a bit in comments about SEXTO. There are still a lot of people who like the retro sound, including myself. Modern music seems to all sound the same to me.

I wish Julia well, but I still think the delays will hurt her future prospects. It might be a one and done.

Track in terms of News? Then it's www.futurpop.com. It's a French Website that focuses on Pop Music, they don't cover "general" Pop culture News though. But if Alizée was ever to announce a new Project, Single or Album release, they should cover it. They've done so for Mylène and Julia.

To keep track of the French Album and Singles Charts, physical and Digital, I use www.snepmusique.com.

The Problem with the Album for the French is that it is a Farmer / Boutonnat Product. It only attracts Fans of their established "Universe", not too many who aren't familiar with it. They failed to establish Julia as a part of said Universe, she wasn't promoted much and thus people didn't really pick up on it. They probably tried to recreate the "Alizée Magic" at first with Sexto but it didn't work. They must have been to far into this Project by the time they figured out that interest is declining. When #MeSuisTrompée released in May last year, she revealed shortly after that she had already done her part in the Studio, but we all know that the Song didn't fare so well now. Julia has done a few Interviews these past few days and in one of them she revealed that she is actively staying in touch with Mylène, they are Friends and she's like an Aunt to her, so whether or not the Album becomes a success, I wouldn't say it's one and done just yet.

As for Alizée, I'm hoping that she was able to talk to Mylène to maybe create something special for her 20th Anniversary. I'm not expecting anything but it would be really cool If they'd sit together again for that Special Day.

CleverCowboy

06-23-2020, 05:31 PM

Track in terms of News? Then it's www.futurpop.com. It's a French Website that focuses on Pop Music, they don't cover "general" Pop culture News though. But if Alizée was ever to announce a new Project, Single or Album release, they should cover it. They've done so for Mylène and Julia.

To keep track of the French Album and Singles Charts, physical and Digital, I use www.snepmusique.com.

This is really good information and I appreciate it! :thumb:

The Problem with the Album for the French is that it is a Farmer / Boutonnat Product. It only attracts Fans of their established "Universe", not too many who aren't familiar with it. They failed to establish Julia as a part of said Universe, she wasn't promoted much and thus people didn't really pick up on it. They probably tried to recreate the "Alizée Magic" at first with Sexto but it didn't work. They must have been to far into this Project by the time they figured out that interest is declining. When #MeSuisTrompée released in May last year, she revealed shortly after that she had already done her part in the Studio, but we all know that the Song didn't fare so well now.

I'm in the same camp as the others with interest declining. The news of Mylene taking on a new project with Julia and hiring Alizee and Greg caused a lot of buzz and speculation, at least on this forum. It wasn't a bad song at all and grew on me the more I listened to it. The Making of SEXTO was even better because of you know who. :) Julia went silent, then did some modeling, then silent and a new song... silence... new song... silence. I guess I just grew weary and by the time this album came out I really don't have much interest. But it might just be me.

Julia has done a few Interviews these past few days and in one of them she revealed that she is actively staying in touch with Mylène, they are Friends and she's like an Aunt to her, so whether or not the Album becomes a success, I wouldn't say it's one and done just yet.

Here is my cynical side talking. Maybe it's life experience. The relationship between Mylene and her proteges become too personal. Young and naive talent can be taken advantage of financially and they will not question it because Mylene is "family". I'll stop here.

As for Alizée, I'm hoping that she was able to talk to Mylène to maybe create something special for her 20th Anniversary. I'm not expecting anything but it would be really cool If they'd sit together again for that Special Day.

Even if they did an interview together, the anniversary would be pretty spectacular.

BroKenSkullDG

06-24-2020, 05:10 AM

They really messed up the promotion. 5 Songs are out already, I'm not even sure what there is left to release. If Mylène starts working on a new Album for herself, then it's probably best if she sends Julia on her way because in that case it'll be years before another Julia Album comes out.

Scruffydog777

06-24-2020, 05:19 PM

I just listened to a couple of her new songs, La vie coule and 9 vies and I'm not impressed. I've said a few times before, she's a beautiful woman with a beautiful voice and she's getting some good songs from MF and I assume LB but these songs do nothing for me.

I rate them along with some of Alizee's filler songs. They are songs that are okay if you want to listen to a whole album, but they are lacking the songs that would make you want to listen to the album in the first place. No ML, no JEAM, no ACC, no JPVA, no Amelie, no Coeur deja pris, no Lou ou toi, not even a Youpidou or a Toc de Mac or a Mon Maquis.

I have to feel this album is in trouble.

CleverCowboy

06-25-2020, 02:29 PM

I have also listened to some of the newer songs. I was underwhelmed. I think SEXTO was supposed to be the blockbuster hit of the album and that is why it was released first. Views jumped up fast but just as quickly leveled off and stalled.

Julia started with a big disadvantage in that people were expecting the next Alizee, and you can't blame her for that. She was just trying to live any young girl's dream. One thought I had for the delay after the lukewarm reception of SEXTO until the next song was to allow Julia to turn 18 and rebrand her image from a naive Lolita to something more overtly sexual.

But good looks and a great voice alone just doesn't seem to cut it anymore. Alizee just has a "girl next door" presence which is not manufactured and is attractive to more than just guys. It is a natural charisma. Julia was posting pictures of her personal life on Instagram and she was at ski chalets, vacationing in S. Africa , fancy dinners, etc. and she gives the impression that she lives quite the privileged life. For a new artist wishing to connect with the largest possible audience, that is not the image you want to portray. Not in today's world.

BroKenSkullDG

06-25-2020, 02:51 PM

This is part of an Interview Julia did a few days ago. It states that SEXTO was one of two Songs written for her when she first met Laurent Boutonnat and Mylène Farmer.

"Il avait déjà une bande-son et deux textes dont Sexto, qui deviendra mon premier single. A la première lecture, je n'étais pas trop fan du texte. Mais Laurent a su me convaincre, m'expliquer de quoi ça parlait, ça n'avait rien de vulgaire. Aujourd'hui, je défends ce titre que j'adore, comme les autres."

I definitely agree on the disadvantage, but people were less expecting Julia to be the "new" Alizée, they were simply making comparisons. I don't think anyone really wanted or even needed a "new" Alizée as there is simply no comparison to the original.

I'll still say I like the Album but check this out:

Pour moi, l’intérêt d'écouter cet album est seulement de se faire une idée de ce qu'aurait pu être le 3ème album d'Alizée et d'imaginer Alizée les chanter... Je lui trouvait à ses débuts un vrai talent interprète et une très bonne empreinte vocale...

Concernant Julia, le peu que j'ai lu en interview, elle semble lucide et pas idiote du tout, elle fait ce qu'elle peut pour défendre son truc et n'est pas ridicule. Néanmoins, j'ai vraiment du mal avec sa voix et sa façon de chanter, je n'aime rien. Pour moi, ça sonne très début 90, un peu ring' tout le contraire d'Alizee qui était bien ancrée dans son époque...

It's someone's opinion from France, found it on another Forum. Here's my question: Would it make for a better listen to you if you'd imagine Alizée singing this Album?

CleverCowboy

06-26-2020, 11:19 AM

This is part of an Interview Julia did a few days ago. It states that SEXTO was one of two Songs written for her when she first met Laurent Boutonnat and Mylène Farmer.

I thought it might have come from the collection they had of unpublished music. I'm curious why they went so retro on a song written recently? :confused:

I'll still say I like the Album but check this out:

Pour moi, l’intérêt d'écouter cet album est seulement de se faire une idée de ce qu'aurait pu être le 3ème album d'Alizée et d'imaginer Alizée les chanter... Je lui trouvait à ses débuts un vrai talent interprète et une très bonne empreinte vocale...

Concernant Julia, le peu que j'ai lu en interview, elle semble lucide et pas idiote du tout, elle fait ce qu'elle peut pour défendre son truc et n'est pas ridicule. Néanmoins, j'ai vraiment du mal avec sa voix et sa façon de chanter, je n'aime rien. Pour moi, ça sonne très début 90, un peu ring' tout le contraire d'Alizee qui était bien ancrée dans son époque...

It's someone's opinion from France, found it on another Forum. Here's my question: Would it make for a better listen to you if you'd imagine Alizée singing this Album?

His comment is pretty brutal, but true. I think Julia needs to restrain herself from reading any comments about her or her music, just for the sake of keeping her confidence intact.

I might have mentioned it earlier in this thread, or maybe somewhere else, but Julia has the voice and demeanor better suited for music more classical. Her premier to the world was singing a Whitney Houston love song, and she knocked it out of the park. Who knows, she might be capable of opera. Making her dance when she obviously lacks that talent just makes her look unsure of herself. She has a fit somewhere, but I'm thinking pop is not it. She is not in her element, in my opinion.

To answer your question, I really don't want to put Alizee in Julia's place by imagining Alizee singing it. I don't think the music for what would have been Alizee's third album would be similar to Julia's music.

By the way, do you like the album enough to buy it, or have you already?

BroKenSkullDG

06-26-2020, 04:26 PM

Passe... Comme Tu Sais charts at Number 31 in it's first week. That is very disappointing, I read on another Forum that it only sold 1.800 copies, however I can't confirm this.

It dropped to Number 176 in in it's second week. At this rate, it'll drop out of the Charts next week.

Alex Rien

07-15-2020, 12:23 PM

https://sun1-24.userapi.com/yjEi2gk3LTeOZGO5LNxW-oBGr7Hk2rOW44iCSw/HpO07LJ9bzM.jpg

Alex Rien

07-15-2020, 03:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmAdHGoZu4I

CleverCowboy

07-15-2020, 05:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmAdHGoZu4I

I never seen this one before. Thanks for posting!

Alex Rien

07-15-2020, 06:00 PM

And another one with Alizee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJeK5W0N54&feature=emb_logo

Alex Rien

07-16-2020, 10:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4H_OWlgw0&feature=emb_logo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5CR0LjllU&feature=emb_logo

Alex Rien

07-17-2020, 02:14 PM

Guys, what is your favorite song from Julia`s first album?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq991Oyt764&list=OLAK5uy_lYsL-B5HQwPzzdEoBUjj9qL93-9c-QDSM&index=11

BroKenSkullDG

07-30-2020, 05:39 AM

Guys, what is your favorite song from Julia`s first album?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq991Oyt764&list=OLAK5uy_lYsL-B5HQwPzzdEoBUjj9qL93-9c-QDSM&index=11

I prefer to listen to the Album as a whole. Less individual Songs.

Personal preferences:

- My Lovely Day (should have been Lead Single)
- Baptême en L'Air (sounds very early 2000's - Love it)
- 9 vies (...that Musical Bridge at the end, the way the song builds itself up kind of reminds me of Toc de Mac)
- Utopie (best Showcase of her singing talent)
- Mon Héritage (I appreciate it's message , if they're ever going to release another Single, including Video, it should be this Track)

Alex Rien

07-30-2020, 08:14 AM

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CleverCowboy

07-30-2020, 09:12 AM

BroKenSkullDG

07-30-2020, 10:18 AM

How's the album doing as far as sales? I've tried to find it on several Billboard-like web sites for France, and cannot find the album or any singles listed. Maybe I am not looking in the right places.

I woudn't know where to look either. I've read, that it sold about 1.800 copies in it's first week, Alizée's Blonde did about twice as much in comparison, I believe. That may refer to physical sales only, however. It dropped out of the iTunes Charts in France fairly quickly too, it ranked there for about the first week after release before it fell out.

It reached the Top 40 of the physical Charts in it's first week, it ranked #10 (Download and Streaming included) after the first three days, stayed in the Top 200 in it's second week and has since dropped out completely.

I've recently read that the Album was already finished late last year, but Boutonnat (ever the perfectionist) continued to refine it even throughout the confinement period.

Also, the other Song that was written for Julia before the recording process for the Album began, was "Passe... Comme Tu Sais". Every other Song was created after. Every Song that was created ended up on this Album. Julia DID in fact write her own Songs too, she may save that for later though.

She was 15 and a half when SEXTO was presented to her. Makes me wonder how far back this all started? She was 17 when the Song came out.

She does make plans for a second Album and would like it to be with Mylène and Laurent, there hasn't been any specific talk about this yet, however. She also plans to MAYBE include one of her self-written Songs on it.

Alex Rien

07-30-2020, 10:46 AM

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CleverCowboy

07-30-2020, 01:55 PM

I woudn't know where to look either. I've read, that it sold about 1.800 copies in it's first week, Alizée's Blonde did about twice as much in comparison, I believe. That may refer to physical sales only, however. It dropped out of the iTunes Charts in France fairly quickly too, it ranked there for about the first week after release before it fell out.

It reached the Top 40 of the physical Charts in it's first week, it ranked #10 (Download and Streaming included) after the first three days, stayed in the Top 200 in it's second week and has since dropped out completely.

I'm not sure if this is good or bad news, or what was expected? I would interpret this as a bit disappointing. Her fans that have been anticipating the release of the album bought it right away, but she failed to attract new fans and sales dried up. It can be compared to the Blonde album in that way. Well, to be optimistic, I know of a lot of artists that struggled with sales their first few albums and then hit pay dirt on their third or fourth album.

She does make plans for a second Album and would like it to be with Mylène and Laurent, there hasn't been any specific talk about this yet, however. She also plans to MAYBE include one of her self-written Songs on it.

I've brought it up before, but maybe pop is not where Julia belongs? Her singing voice is outstanding, maybe too outstanding for pop music. Julia sang a Whitney Houston song and nailed it. I recently watched a documentary on Whitney Houston on Netflix in the last few weeks. Houston can just stand on stage and mesmerize the audience with just her voice. No dancing or stage props needed. I'm not trying to say that Julia is the next Whitney Houston or Adele, but it would be smart of her to explore other musical styles.

BroKenSkullDG

07-30-2020, 02:20 PM

If she's writing Songs by herself (and according to her Mylène and Laurent gave her positive Feedback on them), then this means that she knows what she wants which is a good sign. Maybe it'll clear their schedule up for someone else? ;)

The disappointing sales were definitely expected. Julia received hardly any promotion and having Farmer and Boutonnat produce for her was only ever going to attract Fans of said duo. Those Fans are all probably long time Fans themselves, Julia's Songs however are meant to attract a younger audience, I mean she was never in the best place to really succeed. But then again success is a relative term here. I mean they're expectations can't have been that high either. Realistically, they must have known.

Mylène looks to be next on the wheel for now. I'm still hopeful for a collaboration with Alizée in some form. I've mentioned the idea of a Duet before...

CleverCowboy

07-31-2020, 11:35 AM

If she's writing Songs by herself (and according to her Mylène and Laurent gave her positive Feedback on them), then this means that she knows what she wants which is a good sign. Maybe it'll clear their schedule up for someone else? ;)

If Julia wants her audience to notice her voice yet want to reach the younger age group, that will be quite a challenge. It will be hard to compete with all the hip hop artists, which seems to be the music choice of young people. Maybe things are different in France.

Since you hinted at Alizee maybe doing something, I can't think of a better time for her to start working on her next album. :) Dance studio is still closed and it's wishful thinking to assume it will be open soon. There is only so much hanging out by the backyard pool a person can take, plus cooler weather is coming, so working on an album doesn't sound so far-fetched.

The disappointing sales were definitely expected. Julia received hardly any promotion and having Farmer and Boutonnat produce for her was only ever going to attract Fans of said duo. Those Fans are all probably long time Fans themselves, Julia's Songs however are meant to attract a younger audience, I mean she was never in the best place to really succeed. But then again success is a relative term here. I mean they're expectations can't have been that high either. Realistically, they must have known.

Mylène looks to be next on the wheel, currently preparing a new best of collection spanning the past decade, with a few new songs do come along with it. And then there's still Alizée? I absolutely refuse to believe that this won't eventually lead to something.

If they were expecting lackluster sales, then I guess it wouldn't be too much of a disappointment, if at all. Then I have to ask, why put in all the work that went into making the album? Mylene goes for the win, and she seems to always get the win, so the Julia project leaves me scratching my head. :/) A young Alizee was making numerous appearances on shows singing her songs and getting a lot of exposure. Julia only performed on one show to sing SEXTO (that I know of), and a few interviews. Perhaps Covid had a lot to do with the lack of promotion? They pushed out the release date to summer, and that is when most "experts" though the pandemic would be over. It still lingers, so maybe the decision was made to just release the album, hope for the best and move on to the next album.

Do you think having the stage name of "Julia" helps her or hurts her? If you search for Julia on YT, you will get a million hits of every Julia out there with a video. You search for Alizee, and you will get our Alizee at the top. Alizee also sings a Madonna and a France Gall song, so it increases the chances of Alizee being stumbled onto by the fans of them. I'm pretty sure Mylene planned it this way. In comparison, Julia's exposure seemed to be boxed in to mainly Mylene/Boutonnat and/or Alizee fans. What do you think?

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 12:07 PM

Perhaps Covid had a lot to do with the lack of promotion? They pushed out the release date to summer, and that is when most "experts" though the pandemic would be over.

That`s true.

Do you think having the stage name of "Julia" helps her or hurts her?

Her full name is Julia Fiquet. I don`t think it hurts.

In comparison, Julia's exposure seemed to be boxed in to mainly Mylene/Boutonnat and/or Alizee fans. What do you think?

I think so. Most of her fans are from Mylene/Alizee fan-base.

BroKenSkullDG

07-31-2020, 01:39 PM

Her real name is Julia Fiquet. I'm not exactly sure how much more marketable that is. They could have included her last name here and there though. On Social Media or Website Domains for example. To help distinguish her from all the other Julia's out there. You're right, it is a common name and that sure isn't going to help, but i'm sure it doesn't hurt that much either.

On a different note, there was the information going around that she was preparing a Live Performance of "Et Toi Mon Amour" with a number of male dancers for The Voice earlier this year before COVID-19 came inbetween and the Album's Release Date was postponed as well. It's like you said in an earlier Post: the bad luck she's had.

Whether or not her second Album will be produced by Farmer & Boutonnat again, remains to be seen. Julia herself is unsure, which hopefully opens up a Spot for Alizée again. Mylène's reappereance in her life seems to have had some sort of effect on her. She seems to jump at the opportunity of performing her Songs, then there are all of the re-releases on Digital Platforms and of course the Vinyls later this year, courtesy of Requiem Publishing, which means even if it's just a small treat for Collectors (which is about as much as you'd expect right now, with the World in it's current state and Maggy still very young), it is still very indicative and if nothing else a good sign in my opinion. Fingers crossed. :)

Edit:

I have been scrolling through a Mylène dedicated Forum and let me just say how grateful I am that the people here are at least civilized. The Mylène Farmer Fanbase seems to be downright toxic in comparison...

Edit:

Without trying to spread any untruthful rumors, I just read a comment that suggested that Mylène and Laurent first offered new Songs to Alizée, who declined (possibly due to her wish to expand her Family) and thus they were forced to find someone else. Julia wasn't promoted in any way, there is nothing in the form of a major hit on her Album and it flopped big time (undeservedly so, because it is really good). Maybe it was a one and done Deal, to give Alizée the time she needs? I know that this is far fetched but with Mylène you never know...

CleverCowboy

07-31-2020, 02:46 PM

I have been scrolling through a Mylène dedicated Forum and let me just say how grateful I am that the people here are at least civilized. The Mylène Farmer Fanbase seems to be downright toxic in comparison...

That is a great complement to the quality of members that we have. :) In the early days of this forum, things sometimes got out of hand. Reading threads from the early days would attest to that. As Alizee web sites started closing down, AAm ended up becoming the last of her fan sites that had a forum. Retaining our good members and attracting new ones meant that the forum needed to maintain an inviting environment. The current set of moderators have done a good job of doing just that. There has been a few problems here and there but they get resolved quickly.

Without trying to spread any untruthful rumors, I just read a comment that suggested that Mylène and Laurent first offered new Songs to Alizée, who declined (possibly due to her wish to expand her Family) and thus they were forced to find someone else. Julia wasn't promoted in any way, there is nothing in the form of a major hit on her Album and it flopped big time (undeservedly so, because it is really good). Maybe it was a one and done Deal, to give Alizée the time she needs? I know that this is far fetched but with Mylène you never know...

Hmm. Interesting. I think maybe you picked up this from the Mylene forum?

In a way, it would explain some things, such as the lack of promotion for Julia that we were just discussing, and the delays in the album in general. It makes Julia seem like an afterthought and not a priority like Alizee was when she started.

Now that Maggy is 9 months old (hard to believe time went by that fast), Alizee has plenty of free babysitting services nearby that she trusts. Still, I don't see her wanting to be separated from Maggy for any extended length of time. The stars seem to be lining up which seem to point to Alizee at least considering doing another album, but I have been down this road before and nothing became of it. I don't want to get my hopes too high.

BroKenSkullDG

07-31-2020, 03:10 PM

It might explain plenty. "SEXTO" and "Passe... Comme Tu Sais" were pre-written and at least the former didn't suit Julia at all, it was closer to Alizée's established Universe, which is where all of the Lolita comparisons came from, since the Song struck a similar tone in it's writing (not to mention Julia's overall presentation that accompanied the Song). Either that or they completely miscalculated Julia before meeting her.

I'm not getting my hopes up either but it's better to stay positive. For now, I'm anticipating the release of the Vinyls. :)

Someone wrote:
- 2021 new Mylène Farmer Album
- 2022 new Alizée Album (w/ Mylène and Laurent)
- 2023 new Julia Album (w/ Mylène and Laurent)

That should satisfy every Fan. :D

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 03:24 PM

BroKenSkullDG

07-31-2020, 03:39 PM

Do you mean SEXTO was written for Alizee? Of course it was not. Moi Lolita was also pre-written.

I have no idea. I'm just playing with ideas. But a Song like that would have better worked for Alizée than for Julia. Unless they really expected her to be successful with something like that in 2018.

I know.

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 03:49 PM

But a Song like that would have better worked for Alizée than for Julia.

This Lolita style song was written for a young girl. Julia has the perfect age.

BroKenSkullDG

07-31-2020, 04:15 PM

This Lolita style song was written for a young girl. Julia has the perfect age.

Miscalculation it is then.

What's your favorite Song from her Album?

Are you from France or do you speak French? If so, you're most likely to have better understanding of it.

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 04:30 PM

What's your favorite Song from her Album?

Mon héritage. That`s typical Mylene`s song.

Are you from France or do you speak French? If so, you're most likely to have better understanding of it.

I am.

BroKenSkullDG

07-31-2020, 05:09 PM

Okay, then I'll take your word for it. I probably got a little ahead of myself there when I suggested that these Songs may have been written for Alizée but then again I am no Lyrics expert. Either way, I was just taking that whole "they coud've approached Alizée first" thing, which could be completely false anyway, just a little further. Theorising hasn't ever hurt anyone, right?

I included Mon Héritage on my List of favorite Songs from this Album too, would you agree with me that this should be the next Single (including Video)? Or should they put one out for My Lovely Day instead? They released that Track about a Week before the Album but from my understanding it wasn't even sent to Radio Stations.

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 05:19 PM

I included Mon Héritage on my List of favorite Songs from this Album too, would you agree with me that this should be the next Single (including Video)?

Yes I would. This song reflects the conception of the entire album.

Alex Rien

07-31-2020, 07:56 PM

VIDÉO. Julia, l’héritage rebelle de Mylène Farmer

https://www.ouest-france.fr/culture/musiques/julia-l-heritage-rebelle-de-mylene-farmer-6914730?fbclid=IwAR3AKLGj0E7CIxnP9gBYb8as3aDwZkh6C vAXZFxr4Wr0VUBwBiMrEP_oIeo

BroKenSkullDG

08-03-2020, 01:20 PM

Got a little Update on Chart positions of her Album. Belgium surprised me a little bit here.

France #31 (2 weeks)
Belgium #12 (2 weeks)
Switzerland #93 (1 week)

Alex Rien

08-03-2020, 01:35 PM

https://sun9-70.userapi.com/c858224/v858224822/20efba/k6ShbbY_yXU.jpg

BroKenSkullDG

08-03-2020, 01:54 PM

If First Week Physical Sales were estimated to be at ~1.800, then it should be at around 2.500 now, considering it hasn't charted anywhere in about a month.

Alex Rien

08-06-2020, 10:26 AM

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Alex Rien

08-07-2020, 11:59 PM

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Alex Rien

08-10-2020, 02:00 PM

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BroKenSkullDG

08-10-2020, 02:36 PM

She had been pretty quiet for a while...

Alex Rien

08-14-2020, 11:15 PM

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Alex Rien

08-17-2020, 04:57 PM

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Alex Rien

08-25-2020, 05:32 PM

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Alex Rien

08-28-2020, 11:35 PM

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Alex Rien

09-02-2020, 05:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7XrIKb1oPA

Edit:

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Alex Rien

09-06-2020, 09:24 AM

Catch me in your nets.

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Alex Rien

01-02-2021, 07:18 AM

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AlizéeSuperFanFIN

03-30-2021, 10:14 PM

Scruffydog777

03-30-2021, 10:32 PM

CleverCowboy

03-31-2021, 10:54 AM

I think this Julia case is a good indication of Alizée’s uniqueness. :)

Alizée made her career with her own charisma from a young age. She has something very unique, a really attractive enchantment.

Julia is at most "pretty nice," like a numerous dozen others.

From a business perspective, the Julia Project fell far short of expectations. I don't want to use the word "fail" because I don't want to imply that Julia is even close to being a failure. She is talented and beautiful and seems to have a lot of things going for her. Of course, Mylene is as far from failure as you can get.

I am assuming that Julia got coached similarly to Alizee. In many ways, Julia had an advantage over Alizee in that that the Internet and high definition video was at her disposal, along with many social media sites. In 2000, the Internet was around but was still the wild west at that time. No Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, etc.

Could the difference be that the consumer changed their tastes in two decades and that was the difference? If Julia debuted in 2000 instead and didn't have to follow in Alizee's footsteps, would she have been a phenomenon similar to Alizee? :13:

I am confident in saying no.

Maybe it's Alizee's charm, charisma, enchantment or something else (or a combination of traits), France collectively fell in love with the girl. I think that is the difference. Alizee has something besides physical beauty and talent. Don't ask me what it is... we have been trying to figure it out on this forum as long as I have been here. :p

BroKenSkullDG

04-03-2021, 09:19 AM

From a business perspective, the Julia Project fell far short of expectations. I don't want to use the word "fail" because I don't want to imply that Julia is even close to being a failure. She is talented and beautiful and seems to have a lot of things going for her. Of course, Mylene is as far from failure as you can get.

Falling short of expectations depends on the expectations set in the first place. What were Farmer / Boutonnat hoping for? SEXTO wasn't anywhere close of being a "hit". Yet, they still proceeded with producing an entire Album.

One thing is certain: Julia isn't Alizée and I believe it is best not to draw comparisons. There are many reasons in play, as for why things happened the way they happened. Mylène and Alizée have set the bar too high before and there is little Julia can do or has done so far, to stand out. That doesn't mean, that what she does can't be enjoyed or liked. I do. But like most others, I have been mostly along so far because she is a MF / LB "product".

Without Mylène and Laurent using any notable Social Media for promotion, Julia was sadly left to carry herself and the lack of Media attention wasn't helping.

I suppose we'll have an answer when she's either cut loose or actually has a second Album produced for her by them. After all, no one knew Mylène would end up as big a star as she is now, back when she first emerged in 1984, maybe Julia's second run will be luckier. Time will tell. And if not... ;)

Alex Rien

04-04-2021, 09:11 AM

https://sun9-71.userapi.com/impg/c857424/v857424385/21e322/F2_fPHD3Ny4.jpg?size=864x1080&quality=96&sign=03fc998b770546981399e81f8cb7dffe&type=album

CleverCowboy

06-22-2021, 09:29 AM

Scruffydog777

06-22-2021, 02:03 PM

CleverCowboy

06-22-2021, 06:27 PM

She is a beautiful young woman with a great voice and two giants in the industry supplying her with music, but she doesn't have the je ne sais quoi that Alizée has.

That sums it up nicely, but the question becomes if Mylene selected Alizee for something more than just talent? Did she have the gut feel that Alizee would be the sensation that she was, or was it just a roll of the dice? I think with Julia it was more a roll of the dice, in my opinion.

Bamagirl

06-22-2021, 09:57 PM

In doing some research about that performance when Mylène noticed her in Graines de Stars, I found this video which has elements I hadn't seen before. For one thing, in the beginning, they show someone (who I think is Pascal Obispo) singing. Alizée would get to know him well later on in Les Enfoirés, and he helped her work on one of her albums.
It also shows, at :41, Alizée getting whacked in the face, accidentally I'm sure (cough, cough).
It looked like the shorter girl won this contest, and they had a tie for 2nd between Alizée and the face-whacker, which Alizée wound up winning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp2ifxLUob8

Scruffydog777

06-22-2021, 10:33 PM

That sums it up nicely, but the question becomes if Mylene selected Alizee for something more than just talent? Did she have the gut feel that Alizee would be the sensation that she was, or was it just a roll of the dice? I think with Julia it was more a roll of the dice, in my opinion.

In doing some research about that performance when Mylène noticed her in Graines de Stars, I found this video which has elements I hadn't seen before. For one thing, in the beginning, they show someone (who I think is Pascal Obispo) singing. Alizée would get to know him well later on in Les Enfoirés, and he helped her work on one of her albums.
It also shows, at :41, Alizée getting whacked in the face, accidentally I'm sure (cough, cough).
It looked like the shorter girl won this contest, and they had a tie for 2nd between Alizée and the face-whacker, which Alizée wound up winning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp2ifxLUob8

I hadn't seen this video before. I've seen several Graines de Stars clips before but again, not this one.

It really would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall when Mylene discovered her. I think it would have been a jaw dropping moment for Mylene. Here this girl was only 16 and she had such poise, such confidence on stage, the way she danced and she looked mature beyond her years, something that was probably important for the Moi Lolita role that MF was looking for someone to fill. Yet when she was off stage, her smile would light up the room, such a young girl look. I think it had to be such a "revelation" for Mademoiselle Farmer.

CleverCowboy

06-23-2021, 06:33 AM

The confidence and poise was important along with the talent. But there was another element that was very important to fill the role - beauty.

Who could have predicted that this...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/Lf6Iid.jpg

would turn into this in just a few short years?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/BCH2lX.jpg

I don't think that anybody could have ever predicted the amazing transformation. :)

Ben.Daly

06-23-2021, 10:32 AM

Here this girl was only 16 and she had such poise, such confidence on stage, the way she danced and she looked mature beyond her years, something that was probably important for the Moi Lolita role that MF was looking for someone to fill.

She was only 15 though, right? Even more impressive in that respect.

CleverCowboy

06-23-2021, 11:26 AM

The Graines De Stars performance where the picture was taken of Alizee that I posted above took place on January 26, 2000. She was 15 at the time.

There was time needed for Mylene to prepare Alizee for what was to come, so when I think of when Alizee's career started, I think of 16 years old.

Scruffydog777

06-23-2021, 08:53 PM

She was only 15 though, right? Even more impressive in that respect.
Yes as CleverCowboy said too, she was 15 and that does make it more impressive.

BroKenSkullDG

07-26-2021, 09:14 AM

Looks like Mylène may have canned Julia by now. She revealed she's been working (or rather collaborating) with a rapper on some new music of they're own making. He too is very new to this and they're working on "low budget" I guess you can call it. Or maybe she's just passing some time until Mylène is ready to work with her again, seeing how there are plenty of rumors going around, that M is getting ready to start promotion on her own next Album this Fall. Whatever the case, thought I'd provide an Update for anyone interested or in case you've missed out on the news.

Alizée-Nederland

07-26-2021, 09:31 AM

Julia:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRypRSTIYYd/

"Something has changed" Feat Parah 🧨

Exclusive, the first title in a collaboration we've been working on for a while parah.1 and me.

This one is called "Something has changed", was written by us and we are proud of it!
The means are very limited, we agree, but it's convivial and that's what we wanted, recordings are planned for soon! 🎙

Since the time you asked me for musical news, here are some... and now your feedback is what we need! 💣

Kiss 💋

Julia

BroKenSkullDG

07-26-2021, 12:43 PM

So a Julia pictures showed up on my IG feed today. It's been a long while since I have even noticed her, so I thought I would visit her page to see what she has been up to.

It's been mainly glamour shots wearing upscale clothes and hanging out in upscale places. There lies the problem and has been the problem all along but I just didn't say anything before in fairness to her.

Is Julia's music career dead as it relates to Mylene? My answer is Yes.

She might perform some small gigs here and there privately, but it won't be a career with her. Maybe she will continue to do some small time modeling while she is still young.

The vibe she gave from the start is that she has lived a very privileged life. Just by going through all her photos, there is nothing "down to earth" about her. The world has changed a lot in the last decade. I think the image she portrayed really hurt her chances.

I would not say, she comes across as overprivileg. Her use of Social Media is rather uninspired if not to say boring, but as a person, I wouldn't say that enjoying fancy clothes, glamour or the "finer things" in life makes anyone appear overprivileged unless they didn't deserve it. But it's not like she made a fortune on her music to begin with. And she had to practically carry her own promotion, in a time where it is difficult enough to stand out and get noticed.

Don't really matter if she has what Alizée had 20 Years ago or not. They are two very different people. And seeing how Alizée's success visibly declined after leaving Mylène in 2004, I'd say she very simply got Lucky to be the right person, in the right position, at the right time with the right amount of talent needed to be as big as she was. Not that she seems to care nowadays, with her pool being the only thing she'll reach for.

I will agree though, that Alizée came across as more of your everyday girl whereas Julia seemed a bit more... preselected. Makes it rather obvious which one of the two appeared more relatable.

Scruffydog777

07-26-2021, 10:12 PM

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I will agree though, that Alizée came across as more of your everyday girl whereas Julia seemed a bit more... preselected. Makes it rather obvious which one of the two appeared more relatable.

I've said before that Julia is a beautiful young woman with a voice that is a little better than Alizee, but when you look at all the factors, there is just something unique about Alizee that sets her apart and of course, that is when it's combined with the great music of LB and the great songs of MF.

Will MF/LB realize that and come to see if they want to have success with another artist, their odds of finding someone as incredible, with so much potential as Alizee are pretty slim?

BroKenSkullDG

07-27-2021, 02:45 AM

...that is when it's combined with the great music of LB and the great songs of MF.

100%.

Will MF/LB realize that and come to see if they want to have success with another artist, their odds of finding someone as incredible, with so much potential as Alizee are pretty slim?

Slim to None. And they shouldn't. Yet i'm glad Julia keeps at it, because no matter what she does, it will help her grow. Don't need to be a real success for that. People have done more with less.

Mylène will turn 60 this year. She has a loyal following like very few others do. There will never be anyone else like her. Her Fans know that.

CleverCowboy

07-27-2021, 07:04 AM

I would not say, she comes across as overprivileg. Her use of Social Media is rather uninspired if not to say boring, but as a person, I wouldn't say that enjoying fancy clothes, glamour or the "finer things" in life makes anyone appear overprivileged unless they didn't deserve it. But it's not like she made a fortune on her music to begin with. And she had to practically carry her own promotion, in a time where it is difficult enough to stand out and get noticed.

Don't really matter if she has what Alizée had 20 Years ago or not. They are two very different people. And seeing how Alizée's success visibly declined after leaving Mylène in 2004, I'd say she very simply got Lucky to be the right person, in the right position, at the right time with the right amount of talent needed to be as big as she was. Not that she seems to care nowadays, with her pool being the only thing she'll reach for.

I will agree though, that Alizée came across as more of your everyday girl whereas Julia seemed a bit more... preselected. Makes it rather obvious which one of the two appeared more relatable.

Just to clear it up, I did not use the words "over-privileged", but "very privileged." There is a difference.

A person cannot choose their parents or what country or their socio-economic status they are born into. Julia is beautiful and has a great voice and obviously has the means to enjoy the finer things in life at a young age. Hey, if my father bought me a brand new Maserati to drive when I turned 16, I would not say no. ;)

My point is that the climate we live in today, her status is enough to turn away many people from her without even giving her a chance. Thirty years ago, it would have been a non-issue and maybe even an asset. It's not to say she should shun the finer things she is able to enjoy, but where is the down to earth side? What was missing in her own self-promotion is the pics of her in sweat pants and t-shirts. Without make up. Messy hair. Julia tries to look perfect and posed in her posted pics, and that is fine, but the price she is paid is that she appears unrelatable to most of her potential audience.

Another observation about promotion. Alizee had tons of live appearances to promote her album and herself and people just ate it up. Julia had only one that I know of (SEXTO) and looked terrified and stiff on stage in front of an audience. Outside of a few more videos for new songs, live appearances seem to have stopped. I don't know if Mylene saw the writing on the wall early and just did enough to fulfill their contract obligations, but Julia was left to fend for herself.

BroKenSkullDG

07-27-2021, 09:56 AM

She was very privileged to be able to work with Mylène. That's as far as I'd go with using that term. As for her, I think there's been little to suggest if she was raised more or less privileged than say, Alizée for example. You make a good point about her never showing herself more 'naturally', always a little too flawless in her own portrayal, but that's just how she is it seems. I still wouldn't go as far as to call her 'privileged', but if she's giving off this sort of vibe to you, then I'd call it a matter of opinion and personal observation and I'll just leave it at that.

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I literally don't know what was up with her lack of Live Appereances. I suppose there could've been plenty of factors adding to the ones you've mentioned. According to rumors 'Et Toi Mon Amour' was supposed to get a Live Performance on The Voice before the COVID-19 Lockdown hit.

The months of literate silence (which is something that only works for Mylène because that's how she always worked), newly released Songs going cold in no time, suffering from next to no Media buzz and / or coverage, having to market herself and adding to that the long wait in general with almost zero communication...

I could go on and on but what's the point. It was all a rather unfortunate situation for Julia that she had little actual control over. And yet, I find it unfair to say she didn't succeed because she didn't have what made Alizée succeed nearly two decades ago. It would be like asking what made Mylène succeed with such longevity across four decades whereas Alizée ran her career into the ground so quickly (I could write an essay on that!). Not everyone has what it takes to make it onto that next level.

Although Alizée's early rise in popularity would probably still happen, at least to some degree, if it were to happen now. Compared to Julia, she'd still fare better. If that's what you were getting at, then I agree.

Scruffydog777

07-27-2021, 10:07 PM

Julia:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRypRSTIYYd/

Thanks for posting that. I had missed it before. I didn't really like the song, but then again, I don't speak the language. With Alizée, it's been well proven you don't have to understand the language to like a song, but then again I know the words to a song can make or break a song, so I guess we'll have to see what happens with this.

BroKenSkullDG

07-28-2021, 02:15 AM

Thanks for posting that. I had missed it before. I didn't really like the song, but then again, I don't speak the language. With Alizée, it's been well proven you don't have to understand the language to like a song, but then again I know the words to a song can make or break a song, so I guess we'll have to see what happens with this.

The writing was well applauded in the comments. More mixed response for the rap genre (which is understandably not for everyone but I got a feeling is very popular in France).

CleverCowboy

07-28-2021, 09:32 AM

The months of literate silence (which is something that only works for Mylène because that's how she always worked), newly released Songs going cold in no time, suffering from next to no Media buzz and / or coverage, having to market herself and adding to that the long wait in general with almost zero communication...

I could go on and on but what's the point.

Well, this is a forum and having conversation is what we do here. ;)

There was excitement and anticipation here when Julia became the "new Lolita" under Mylene. Right from the start there was confusion as to what was going on. SEXTO was the album teaser. It quickly got many views the first month or so. Then the Making of SEXTO video came out which was more interesting for Alizee fans because, of course, Alizee was in it. Then there was silence... for months. SEXTO views dropped off sharply and it went into the following year and Mylene was touring so she obviously was busy preparing for that.

But you are right about almost zero media buzz or coverage. I saw one interview she did during that time. Maybe there was more but nothing substantial.

Although Alizée's early rise in popularity would probably still happen, at least to some degree, if it were to happen now. Compared to Julia, she'd still fare better. If that's what you were getting at, then I agree.

Well, the "privileged" point I made was a factor and not solely the cause, just to be more clear. Maybe the American experience of being a teenager is different that the German experience and we see it differently. Alizee appealed to her age group, which was the primary target, but older age groups found her compelling as well. Almost half of her fans were females. She didn't intimidate anybody and was friendly and you can see and hear it on and off stage. There was nothing not to like about Alizee.

Julia projected a different image, perhaps the rich, pretty girl at school who is a cheerleader and steals other girl's boyfriend type. She might be just the opposite but never had the chance in public to dispel that notion.

The popularity game is just that, a game, but it sells records.

Bamagirl

07-28-2021, 10:12 AM

Julia:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRypRSTIYYd/

Note who gave this IG post a "like"--badouchatelain, who is non other than Annily!

3545

Edit:

Thanks for posting that. I had missed it before. I didn't really like the song, but then again, I don't speak the language. With Alizée, it's been well proven you don't have to understand the language to like a song, but then again I know the words to a song can make or break a song, so I guess we'll have to see what happens with this.

Scruffydog, I think this song might be a good example of your point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4_IRocXuE

English Lyrics

Sorry

Before we hurt each other
We were good friends
This is where we sign
This is where we part
Too many foolish love words
So many undecided signals
I didn't grow up
This is where we live

And from love to hate
You know there is only one way
I told you some ugly things
You know I didn't mean it

I should've screamed screamed
Sorry
But I let you pack your bags
You are not coming back
I should've screamed screamed
I'm (really) sorry
I should've ripped off your shirt
Not let you down

Before the fights
Before we lost ourselves
I promised you
I loved you without warning
I poison myself with anger
The pain I take it I squeeze it
I lost gold and joy
Shouldn't put myself outside of my mind

And from love to hate
You know there is only one way
I told you some ugly things
You know I didn't mean it

I should've screamed screamed
Sorry
But I let you pack your bags
You are not coming back
I should've screamed screamed
I'm (really) sorry
I should've ripped off your shirt
Not let you down

I'm (really) sorry
I, I'm (really) sorry
I'm (really) sorry
I, I'm (really) sorry

I should've screamed screamed
Sorry
But I let you pack your bags
You are not coming back
I should've screamed screamed
I'm (really) sorry
I should've ripped off your shirt
Not letting you down

I should've screamed screamed
Sorry
But I let you pack your bags
You are not coming back
I should've screamed screamed
I'm (really) sorry
I should've ripped off your shirt
Not let you down

I'm (really) sorry
I, I'm (really) sorry
I'm (really) sorry
I, I'm (really) sorry
I'm (really) sorry
I, I'm (really) sorry
I'm (really) sorry
For letting you down

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/d%C3%A9sol%C3%A9e-sorry.html-0

Scruffydog777

07-28-2021, 11:30 AM

Note who gave this IG post a "like"--badouchatelain, who is non other than Annily!

3545

Edit:

Scruffydog, I think this song might be a good example of your point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4_IRocXuE

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/d%C3%A9sol%C3%A9e-sorry.html-0

I think you're right. Louane is one of my favorite singers. I had listened to many of her songs from her latest album including that one and none really grabbed me but after looking at the lyrics while listening to it, I'm adding it to my play list.

BroKenSkullDG

07-28-2021, 02:16 PM

Well, the "privileged" point I made was a factor and not solely the cause, just to be more clear. Maybe the American experience of being a teenager is different that the German experience and we see it differently. Alizee appealed to her age group, which was the primary target, but older age groups found her compelling as well. Almost half of her fans were females. She didn't intimidate anybody and was friendly and you can see and hear it on and off stage. There was nothing not to like about Alizee.

Julia projected a different image, perhaps the rich, pretty girl at school who is a cheerleader and steals other girl's boyfriend type. She might be just the opposite but never had the chance in public to dispel that notion.

Nah, the experience aint't that different, except our stereotypes usually involve beer, not Jocks or Cheerleaders. :D To us, I'd say, she's just a very pretty girl.

Anyway, I really don't see what ever life she's trying to make anyone believe she is living as more hurtful than having a rather common name, instread of something inspired or exotic.

CleverCowboy

07-28-2021, 03:35 PM

Nah, the experience aint't that different, except our stereotypes usually involve beer, not Jocks or Cheerleaders. :D To us, I'd say, she's just a very pretty girl.

Anyway, I really don't see what ever life she's trying to make anyone believe she is living as more hurtful than having a rather common name, instread of something inspired or exotic.

I am very good friends with a German couple who fit that stereotype very well. :beer: :p

Anyway, we seem to have beat this subject to death. A musical career does not seem to be in Julia's future (at least pop music), but it might be modeling. She seems to like that a lot and she has a great look for it.

BroKenSkullDG

08-02-2021, 11:08 AM

Julia revealed on her Instagram Story, that she is still collaborating with Mylène Farmer. Meaning that any current projects are meant to kill time.

Alizée-Nederland

08-02-2021, 12:43 PM

I wonder in which way and what the expectations are.

Alizée's official YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/MoiAliz%C3%A9eOfficiel/about) increased 4.456.081 views just in July 2021 to 184.342.501 views in total.

Julia's official YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkENT9jGDiWSJzCl4WCO6Jg/about) has 3.461.732 views IN TOTAL.

BroKenSkullDG

08-02-2021, 02:07 PM

CleverCowboy

08-02-2021, 02:40 PM

Julia revealed on her Instagram Story, that she is still collaborating with Mylène Farmer. Meaning that any current projects are meant to kill time.

We have already seen that doesn't mean automatic success. Julia is cut from a different cloth than Mylene (and Alizee). The kind of pop that they are arranging for Julia does not fit who she is, or so it seems. Julia has a rich soprano voice. We have seen she is not a natural dancer, and there is nothing wrong with that. She stunned the judges singing "I Will Always Love You" and just swayed back and forth a little. She could perform like Adele and let the focus be her voice. I hope she finds her niche.

Edit:

I wonder in which way and what the expectations are.

Alizée's official YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/MoiAliz%C3%A9eOfficiel/about) increased 4.456.081 views just in July 2021 to 184.342.501 views in total.

Julia's official YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkENT9jGDiWSJzCl4WCO6Jg/about) has 3.461.732 views IN TOTAL.

Alizee has an incredible amount of fan made videos on YouTube. I lost count at around 3,500 and that was at least a year ago. I checked some of the pop icons like MJ, Madonna and Elvis and they don't come close.

BroKenSkullDG

08-02-2021, 04:28 PM

The Alizée community is surprisingly strong, even after all these years. At least, as far as her musical endeavors from days gone bye is concerned. Still, good for all of us, right?

CleverCowboy

08-02-2021, 07:30 PM

The Alizée community is surprisingly strong, even after all these years. At least, as far as her musical endeavors from days gone bye is concerned. Still, good for all of us, right?

Well this is, after all, a forum dedicated to her. So yeah, it should be good for all of us. :)

Alex Rien

10-19-2021, 05:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5dBaOHiYjA&ab_channel=cpoplegend

BroKenSkullDG

02-09-2022, 06:24 AM

Could Julia be representing France at this years Eurovision Song Contest? She recently posted a caption on Instagram (which has since been deleted) that showed a French Flag and #soon.

This years Eurovision Song Contest Final rounds take place on May 10th, 12th and 14th in Italy.

Edit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLE9G5gWQAgaQQv?format=jpg&name=large

CleverCowboy

02-09-2022, 09:45 AM

BroKenSkullDG

02-09-2022, 10:14 AM

I almost forgot about Julia. She doesn't post much anymore. Well if your theory is true, I hope she does well.

Julia has been involved with something called "Dance Concept Event" for the past few months. It's the sort of thing that Alizée would very much enjoy.

-> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CYZfzT9LfXJ/?utm_medium=copy_link

CleverCowboy

02-09-2022, 01:45 PM

Julia has been involved with something called "Dance Concept Event" for the past few months. It's the sort of thing that Alizée would very much enjoy.

-> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CYZfzT9LfXJ/?utm_medium=copy_link

That's an interesting but good move for Julia. In the Making of SEXTO video, you could see how Julia lacked confidence in her dancing ability, most likely due to her inexperience and youth. This will only help her career... but... maybe that is the question. What exactly IS her career now? She's dabbled in singing, modeling and now dancing. I wonder what will stick? :confused:

BroKenSkullDG

02-09-2022, 02:29 PM

That's an interesting but good move for Julia. In the Making of SEXTO video, you could see how Julia lacked confidence in her dancing ability, most likely due to her inexperience and youth. This will only help her career... but... maybe that is the question. What exactly IS her career now? She's dabbled in singing, modeling and now dancing. I wonder what will stick? :confused:

I'd go with the first option. Contrary to what the name of these Events implies, she has actually been performing for them as a singer, not a dancer.

I'd say she should be a lot more comfortable on stage now than at the Jean-Paul Gaultier Show in 2018.

CleverCowboy

02-10-2022, 08:18 AM

I'd go with the first option. Contrary to what the name of these Events implies, she has actually been performing for them as a singer, not a dancer.

I'd say she should be a lot more comfortable on stage now than at the Jean-Paul Gaultier Show in 2018.

If singing is her passion and her future, I will repeat what I said a long time ago. She needs to forget pop, at least the type where she would need to dance and sing. We already know she is not the next Alizee.

However, she is an amazing soprano. She was "discovered" by the nation when she sang "I Will Always Love You". She just stood there and sang and mesmerized the audience and judges. Some solo artists don't need a light show and backup dancers to grab the audience's attention.

She should concentrate on her natural talent, in my opinion. Modeling and all that might have been a fun diversion, but the clock is ticking and she is entering her prime years and could really exceed expectations with the right song set and manager.

Alex Rien

02-10-2022, 08:29 AM

BroKenSkullDG

02-10-2022, 09:19 AM

If singing is her passion and her future, I will repeat what I said a long time ago. She needs to forget pop, at least the type where she would need to dance and sing. We already know she is not the next Alizee.

However, she is an amazing soprano. She was "discovered" by the nation when she sang "I Will Always Love You". She just stood there and sang and mesmerized the audience and judges. Some solo artists don't need a light show and backup dancers to grab the audience's attention.

She should concentrate on her natural talent, in my opinion. Modeling and all that might have been a fun diversion, but the clock is ticking and she is entering her prime years and could really exceed expectations with the right song set and manager.

So far, she's only done that for SEXTO. And I think that's because Mylène and Laurent chose to involve Alizée as a sort of "passing of the torch".

She'll be fine. :)

Edit:

Julia : un nouveau single?

https://www.mylenefarmernon-officiel.net/accueil/autres-infos/julia-un-nouveau-single

Here's hoping. And if it involves Mylène and Laurent, even better!