Alizée Trivia

[Bamagirl]

Hi everyone,

I have an Alizée trivia question for you all to think about!
In this year's Les Enfoires show, one of the songs was Envole Moi. Who can tell me what connection Alizée has to this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLMI7s_F30w&fbclid=IwAR0hym8WCkVtEWkAMmtXM5bEpZTSkLkmPZOrERtPR 8bxAN0-KtxcBAXxHvc

[Aragorn97]

Hi, Bamagirl!
I know almost nothing about French music (except for Alizée obviously), so the only thing I could do was to read this song translation and the only thing I can think of is that it may represent the opposite of Alizée's view. I mean, she would never fly away from Ajaccio. You know, her Paradisula.

Anyway, it's a good song. :)

[CleverCowboy]

Well, I did find this. Otherwise, I draw a blank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZakrFbopgPk

[Scruffydog777]

Well, I did find this. Otherwise, I draw a blank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZakrFbopgPk

We have a winner!

I think this really demonstrates what a good voice she does have and I think after she left MF, she did not spend enough time working on that voice. I think the thing she missed the most when she left them was their management skills, someone to tell her whether it was to do with her own albums or Les Enfoires or guest shows, to not to sing such and such a song or put more emphasis on certain songs.

[CleverCowboy]

I think this really demonstrates what a good voice she does have and I think after she left MF, she did not spend enough time working on that voice.

I agree. Her voice was a very strong alto at this age or maybe at the lower range of soprano. MCE was such a standout because LB wrote the music to fit her voice. As you said, I don't think Alizee spent much time expanding her range. Her later albums needed her to be as strong in soprano, but it turned out her voice was softer on each subsequent album. Her soft voice worked for her because it sounded sexy, but in Les Enfoires I notice when she struggles with the high notes. They come out but weak.

Then again, we all have consistently graded Alizee's singing ability as "good" or "very good", but never "great", and that is fine with me. :)

[Bamagirl]

Well, I did find this. Otherwise, I draw a blank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZakrFbopgPk

Nice job, CleverCowboy!

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We have a winner!

I think this really demonstrates what a good voice she does have and I think after she left MF, she did not spend enough time working on that voice. I think the thing she missed the most when she left them was their management skills, someone to tell her whether it was to do with her own albums or Les Enfoires or guest shows, to not to sing such and such a song or put more emphasis on certain songs.

I completely agree, Scruffydog. Singers, no matter how naturally talented, need to be trained to get the best from their voices and to avoid damaging their voices over time. I don’t think Alizée got the highest level of professional guidance and vocal training she could have. This clip of her singing a-cappella is really stunning, as it shows her true, raw singing ability.

[Scruffydog777]

I bought this years Les Enfoires dvd and I enjoyed the show. They had some new faces with very good voices, but at this point, I don't know if I'll add any of those songs to my play list. Sometimes it takes listening to a song 2 or 3 songs before it really grabs you.

This is a show I'd really like to see again even with Alizee not in it, but then again, seeing so many artists who have performed with Alizee would remind me she isn't in it and for that reason, I could not do it.

[Aragorn97]

I've always thought that Alizée has a specific voice like, for example, Michael Bublé, Springsteen or Sting. I'm not comparing Alizée to living legends like the last two of them but by this I mean that this type of singers can obviously sing a lot of different songs and be "ok" with them, but they do their very best in their "range". For example Sting is awesome in slow songs.
This is what I saw from her performances in which she is not singing her songs. Sometimes she does not sound that great (for example in English songs, even though I really like her accent), but when she finds the song that fits her, she is amazing as always.
Even though I listen to many different singers, I've never studied anything about music or voice-related things, but you seem very interested in the subject matter, so could you tell me more specifically about her voice and if I'm correct?



I completely agree, Scruffydog. Singers, no matter how naturally talented, need to be trained to get the best from their voices and to avoid damaging their voices over time. I don’t think Alizée got the highest level of professional guidance and vocal training she could have. This clip of her singing a-cappella is really stunning, as it shows her true, raw singing ability.

In my opinion the only good thing about her (I hope) temporary retirement is that her voice is preserved. Her voice won't change that much over time, because she is not using it (to sing).
In fact in Italy we have a singer called Mina, which in my opinion is the best female voice we have (don't know if she is famous out of Italy), that at one point of her career decided to leave TV shows and concerts. Now her voice is amazing and untouched by time (this should be sure because I also heard it from experts in some documentaries).

[CleverCowboy]

Even though I listen to many different singers, I've never studied anything about music or voice-related things, but you seem very interested in the subject matter, so could you tell me more specifically about her voice and if I'm correct?


I have some music background. I can read music and play several instruments and have performed in an orchestra, but that was when I was much younger. I also sang in a choir once upon a time long ago, but my singing voice is awful now. It just goes to show if you don't exercise your voice, you lose it. I know I sang in baritone, which is one step above bass and just below tenor. I was stuck in this octave and had trouble with higher (or lower) octaves.

I had mentioned that Alizee seems most comfortable in the alto or low soprano octaves. I remembered there was a name for low soprano and I had to Google it, and it is called mezzo-soprano. Guess who sings mezzo-soprano? Madonna. That's why Alizee sings La Isla Bonita so well. I would venture to say that Alizee could sing all of Madonna's songs and sound great. Being that Madonna was her favorite artist as a kid, I can imagine Alizee was singing and dancing along with Madonna videos.

[Scruffydog777]

I'm far from knowledgeable about music or voices, but what I can offer opinions on is what pleases me and what impresses me and what doesn't and I'm quick to offer both sides of those opinions, even with Alizée.

Unfortunately, time limits me in what I can say, especially on days when I work such as today but one example I want to point out was a performance of Tal's Le Sens de la Vie that she sang with Jenifer in Les Enfoires.

This was I think a fairly good fit for her voice. Still, I think Jenifer's performance might have been better, until a point at about the: 37 to the: 42-second mark where her voice shows a beauty, a specialness that she has, that we don't see often enough and that far surpasses Jenifer's.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the video on Youtube, but I added a Google drive video link to the whole performance and an audio link to the specific moment I'm talking about.

Tomorrow, I hope to add another example.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19-jl-ju9p21-UjKmdh1wSveTY1scixt_/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-P-ld42IA-WL73oQUEOItH4uGZCpYl43/view?usp=sharing

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[Aragorn97]

I have some music background. I can read music and play several instruments and have performed in an orchestra, but that was when I was much younger. I also sang in a choir once upon a time long ago

Oh I see. Cool thing. I suppose that when you speak the language of music, you are able to observe everything from a different perspective, which make you analyze every detail.



I know I sang in baritone, which is one step above bass and just below tenor. I was stuck in this octave and had trouble with higher (or lower) octaves.

I had mentioned that Alizee seems most comfortable in the alto or low soprano octaves. I remembered there was a name for low soprano and I had to Google it, and it is called mezzo-soprano.


Now, I don't know what you are talking about. Lol
From what I know, you are referring to her timbre, but that's probably something too specific for me. Once I read that she is a mezzo soprano, but didn't know what that could mean. Thanks to your comparison to Madonna now I have understood. At least, a little bit of the thing. :)


Guess who sings mezzo-soprano? Madonna. That's why Alizee sings La Isla Bonita so well. I would venture to say that Alizee could sing all of Madonna's songs and sound great. Being that Madonna was her favorite artist as a kid, I can imagine Alizee was singing and dancing along with Madonna videos.

Exactly, she is amazing in that performance (in English!). I think that the fact she has been fan of Madonna since she was a kid helped her to develop her attitude in that direction. I mean, I suppose she feel very comfortable singing Madonna's songs.
But for example, I find that "Hung up" isn't the best of her covers. I think because it is too fast. On the other hand she is great with slower songs like la Déclaration d'amour (and obviously La Isla Bonita)

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I'm far from knowledgeable about music or voices, but what I can offer opinions on is what pleases me and what impresses me and what doesn't and I'm quick to offer both sides of those opinions, even with Alizée.

Unfortunately, time limits me in what I can say, especially on days when I work such as today but one example I want to point out was a performance of Tal's Le Sens de la Vie that she sang with Jenifer in Les Enfoires.

This was I think a fairly good fit for her voice. Still, I think Jenifer's performance might have been better, until a point at about the: 37 to the: 42-second mark where her voice shows a beauty, a specialness that she has, that we don't see often enough and that far surpasses Jenifer's.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the video on Youtube, but I added a Google drive video link to the whole performance and an audio link to the specific moment I'm talking about.

Tomorrow, I hope to add another example.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19-jl-ju9p21-UjKmdh1wSveTY1scixt_/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-P-ld42IA-WL73oQUEOItH4uGZCpYl43/view?usp=sharing

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Oh you answered while I was writing. I agree with you that here Alizée is better than the other singer, but I would put this performance on the same level of hung up (can't say which one is better, objectively speaking).
It seems to me that her voice is too delicate for this song. But I don't know if this is because I know the original version of the song, where Tal's voice is stronger and in my opinion more suitable.
Anyway, it is as if Alizée's voice isn't able to prevail in this kind of songs

[kulli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGpWKMw8dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_FrcEQuLQ

[Scruffydog777]

Here is another moment where I think we only get a glimpse of what she is capable of. In this Les Enfoires performance of 'Double Je', she sounds okay during most of her lines, then she just blew me away at the 3:40 mark. Maybe she was inspired by the passionate performance Christophe Mae was delivering. But once again, it has this moment that shows the capability of her voice, yet after leaving MF, there's been so few times where she's been able to bring forth that capability for a whole song which I feel is due to lack of coaching.

I included a link to this video from my drive which has better resolution.

http://youtu.be/aIhBBlBEJqY?t=212

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NXHL8D9ZPdKxFA16trrEmm8JSmQEUweK/view?usp=sharing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhBBlBEJqY

[kulli]

Here is another moment where I think we only get a glimpse of what she is capable of. In this Les Enfoires performance of 'Double Je', she sounds okay during most of her lines, then she just blew me away at the 3:40 mark.


She did it pretty well. How would you compare it to Nolwenn Leroy's part at 3:56 min ? What I miss is a bit more power in Alizee's voice.

http://youtu.be/aIhBBlBEJqY?t=237

[Scruffydog777]

She did it pretty well. How would you compare it to Nolwenn Leroy's part at 3:56 min ? What I miss is a bit more power in Alizee's voice.

http://youtu.be/aIhBBlBEJqY?t=237

I like Nolwenn's voice. I thought her voice was good in Double Je, but I thought it was much better in L'Assasymphonie. I also thought Patrick Fiori's voice was outstanding and Pascal Obispo's very good too in L'Assaymphonie.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wyYAjUKcRw


Nolwenn also did a great job with the song 'Hello' in LE 2017


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EnSEG070Q8

[Shepherd]

I have debated with myself for a long time as to whether Alizee gave up singing because she was having problems with her voice.

In the 2000 contest where she was discovered her voice is terrific, and frankly I don't think it was ever as good again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZMCCR_-Sw

In 2010 in Isreal, she appeared to be having problems, her voice seemed fragile. Even so it was a lovely performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=VuYkEPyDquw

Mexico was a disaster in 2011 There were, however, extenuating circumstances: Some people think she was suffering from a cold or even the flu. We know she was fighting with her husband and the band. The clown on the stage was intrusive and really annoying. Then I believe the recording itself is faulty. The audience was making a lot of noise. It wasn't a happy tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbmbrONJ4A

2014, The Blond album. Her voice seemed fine. It's possible that Blond was purposely composed within the range of her voice. I don't know. This is too technical for me. Perhaps Alizee just quit because another album had failed and Soni ended her contract. All that is pretty discouraging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpVlFMHz1E

[Aragorn97]

I think her voice is fine. In my opinion, she has rarely had this kind of problems. Probably it was just bad training or stuff like that in most cases. But I don't think she gave up singing for this reason. Last concert in Varsaw seems pretty good from this point of view.



Mexico was a disaster in 2011 There were, however, extenuating circumstances: Some people think she was suffering from a cold or even the flu. We know she was fighting with her husband and the band. The clown on the stage was intrusive and really annoying. Then I believe the recording itself is faulty. The audience was making a lot of noise. It wasn't a happy tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbmbrONJ4A



I think this one is playback but during the exhibitions from I guess the same tour, her voice seems so weird. I've always thought the she decided to sing that way, that it was intended. If you notice, she tend to make her voice more acute for some words.

[Scruffydog777]

I have debated with myself for a long time as to whether Alizee gave up singing because she was having problems with her voice.

In the 2000 contest where she was discovered her voice is terrific, and frankly, I don't think it was ever as good again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZMCCR_-Sw

In 2010 in Isreal, she appeared to be having problems, her voice seemed fragile. Even so it was a lovely performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=VuYkEPyDquw

Mexico was a disaster in 2011 There were, however, extenuating circumstances: Some people think she was suffering from a cold or even the flu. We know she was fighting with her husband and the band. The clown on the stage was intrusive and really annoying. Then I believe the recording itself is faulty. The audience was making a lot of noise. It wasn't a happy tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbmbrONJ4A

2014, The Blond album. Her voice seemed fine. It's possible that Blond was purposely composed within the range of her voice. I don't know. This is too technical for me. Perhaps Alizee just quit because another album had failed and Soni ended her contract. All that is pretty discouraging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpVlFMHz1E

Well I feel there was a big problem back then. I felt a couple of her songs in Mexico sounded awful. It was her voice and it wasn't her voice. Let me explain, but first I have to say something. Back then, if you said something like this, members would ask "What are you doing here?". Too many people looked upon this as a fan site, not a forum. Criticism of Alizee would not be tolerated. Alizee could do no wrong.

So to explain, when Alizee left MF/LB, the incredible songs written by MF were a huge loss. The beautiful music of Laurant Boutannat was another huge loss. But the biggest loss was the management skills of those two. Plus you had the fact that you had two at that time, very successful singers, Alizee and Jeremy and I think they had very big heads. I honestly feel Alizee thought at the time "Give me a few songs, I'll walk out on stage.....no sexy outfit........no dancing.......and people will come." and I'm sure Jeremy thought that too and they both fell right on their young, uneducated faces. Something any young singer would do who went through what they went through.

She had no idea that without MF/LB, the world would have never heard the name Alizée.

With Psych her voice had changed. She was singing some songs that were wrong for her new range. She was singing songs that didn't sound good and there was no one there to tell her that.....no manager! She focused on a song that was mediocre at best 'MJ' and realized too late and did too little too late with what was the best song of the album, PLP.....poor management.

UEDS and 5 came along and much the same thing, albums that had more potential, being managed by people who didn't know what they were doing. With UEDS, when Alizee was ready to go on tour, the band she worked with went off on a tour of their own music. Who was the manager who set up that agreement?

With 5, we had A Cause de l'autome which was not a bad song, not a great song. They produced a video for it. Near the beginning of this video, they had Alizee in this beautiful dress, with a beautiful hair style in a beautiful setting with autumn leaves falling around her. Do I have to tell you what's wrong with this picture, what doesn't fit in with all this beauty? If I do, you can't face the reality of what appeals to potential fans. MCE and Gourmandises were all about incredible beauty and sexiness. ACDL video fell flat because of one thing.

Then Blonde came along. I really felt this album should have been a success. They made the huge mistake of rushing this album out to capitalize on her newfound Dals success. She couldn't get it right in her 3 previous albums. What made them think they could rush out one?

One mistake they made was too much emphasis on the Blonde video.....very lame imo. I thought Alcaline and K.O. were very and I do mean very good songs. Though they made the good decision to focus on the Alcaline song, they messed up by not making a video for it. This song told a simple story which could have made for a low cost video. Instead when she sang it during promotional efforts, look at the outfit she wore?

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Compare that with a true Parisian fashion....

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Here is the video I made with English subs. If you can't read them, I'll upload them to my drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1-37rXM74


One thing we've discussed in here before that may be new to new members. French singers seem to be at a disadvantage in France. Most French people seem to look to international stars as much if not even more so than French stars. So as far as Alizee competing against singers like Rhiana, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Madonna, she didn't stand a chance with the poorly managed albums she put out.


Even though I much prefer her with her natural hair color, I don't think the blond hair was a mistake, but so much in her past 4 albums were mistakes.
Who chose the outfit for Alcaline?
Who chose not to make a video for Alcaline?
Who chose that scenic shot for ACDLA?
Who chose not to make a video for PLP?
Who signed a contract for a band that let them go off on their own tour instead of going on tour with her?
Piss poor management......something that has haunted her from the day she walked out on Mylene Farmer and Laurant Boutannat.

Though things look bleak for her, I feel room for optimism. We see that she is on good terms again with Mylene Farmer, the most successful French singer in France's history. I think Mylene is the only person who can save Alizee, because she will 'manage' Alizee...no more bad outfits....no more focusing on poor songs. You do it Mylene's way or it's the highway. Will it happen? Not likely, but the potential will keep me from going away.

[Mr Coucou]

One thing we've discussed in here before that may be new to new members. French singers seem to be at a disadvantage in France. Most French people seem to look to international stars as much if not even more so than French stars.

I'm tempted to think that Alizee would have been even more popular in France as an American singer than she was as a French singer.

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I think Mylene is the only person who can save Alizee, because she will 'manage' Alizee...no more bad outfits....no more focusing on poor songs. You do it Mylene's way or it's the highway back to Corsica.

Don't expect Mylene to ever manage Alizee again; Alizee is no longer 19, it doesn't make sense from a business perspective.

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Who chose the outfit for Alcaline?
Who chose not to make a video for Alcaline?
Who chose that scenic shot for ACDLA?
Who chose not to make a video for PLP?
Who signed a contract for a band that let them go off on their own tour instead of going on tour with her?


I assume all of those was Alizee herself.

[Scruffydog777]

I'm tempted to think that Alizee would have been even more popular in France as an American singer than she was as a French singer.

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Don't expect Mylene to ever manage Alizee again; Alizee is no longer 19, it doesn't make sense from a business perspective.

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I assume all of those was Alizee herself.

Well with Psych, I believe Jeremy had a big part of managing what went on.

As far as Alizee having better success as an English singer in France than as a French singer, that's very possible, but I think it would have had to have been under someone else's management, other than MF because we saw with JPVA, J'en ai marre and Youpidou, she was very lacking in writing or should I say rewriting songs into the English language.

It's so ironic and so sad to think that when the one great English song came along that could have.........no that's would have put Alizee on the map in America, she made her decision to leave MF/LB and of course that song is Amelie which was rumoured to be her next single at the time.

As far as Alizee not being 19 any more, well look at what's going on with Julia. MF is trying to make her the next Lolita. She's a very beautiful young girl, with a great voice and with A&G's help, she'll probably be aa great dancer, but there's one thing that's missing.....one thing you can't train for, one thing you can't manufacture and that is the charm, the je ne sais quoi of Alizée and I think that is still there. But to bring that out, Alizée has to have good material to work with to have confidence in what she is doing as she had on that stage in Amsterdam.

[Silencio]

Mylène Farmer is not the only pebble on the beach. And frankly, if I were in Alizée's shoes and decided to break away from housewife's life (or the life at the reception of Greg's office) and to continue my singing career, then the first person who I asked for help would've been her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OdTBCgqRt4

This is so due to the following reasons:

1. The only prospective direction that I see for Alizée's career development is rock music. She will never be an R'n'B diva like Beyonce, Fergie and so on. She will never approach Björk, Róisín Murphy and Miss Kittin on the electro scene. The market of traditional pop music is oversaturated. On the other hand, we've all listened to "Mes Courants Electriques" with a shift from pop to rock and have watched "En Concert" with professional rock band on the stage (in my opinion, the best musicians among all she worked with during her musical career) and know what her mild voice combined with hard sounds of guitar and bass guitar could do to people.

2. Shirley Manson knows from her own experience how to exploit beauty in the music industry not being a doll at the same time. She is not from the world of glamour (I would call her the antipode to Rihanna), the world that appeared to be destructive for Alizée's music after the break with Myléne. Remember Jérémy and his "hits" like "Mademoiselle Juliette" and "Fifty-Sixty"? What could you expect of a man for whom the guitar is something like a fashion accessory rather than a musical instrument covered by sweat and blood. In addition, Alizée has been trying to get rid from the "Lolita" image all along. Who better than Shirley knows how to do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4

3. In contrast to Mylène, she will not put spikes in Alizée's career wheel fearing that it could hurt her own career, because Alizée sings in French and Shirley sings in English. These markets don't overlap. Even if it appears that Shirley does not engage in producing presently, well, this would be a good time to start. As a last resort, there may be some people around her that could help.

She even tried to speak French, as if attempted to reach out to Alizée back in 2005:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HV28ER-xcE

[CleverCowboy]

This is so due to the following reasons:

1. The only prospective direction that I see for Alizée's career development is rock music. She will never be an R'n'B diva like Beyonce, Fergie and so on. She will never approach Björk, Róisín Murphy and Miss Kittin on the electro scene. The market of traditional pop music is oversaturated. On the other hand, we've all listened to "Mes Courants Electriques" with a shift from pop to rock and have watched "En Concert" with professional rock band on the stage (in my opinion, the best musicians among all she worked with during her musical career) and know what her mild voice combined with hard sounds of guitar and bass guitar could do to people.

2. Shirley Manson knows from her own experience how to exploit beauty in the music industry not being a doll at the same time. She is not from the world of glamour (I would call her the antipode to Rihanna), the world that appeared to be destructive for Alizée's music after the break with Myléne. Remember Jérémy and his "hits" like "Mademoiselle Juliette" and "Fifty-Sixty"? What could you expect of a man for whom the guitar is something like a fashion accessory rather than a musical instrument covered by sweat and blood. In addition, Alizée has been trying to get rid from the "Lolita" image all along. Who better than Shirley knows how to do this?


Good post Silencio.

I was a teenager in the 1970's (yes, I am that old. lol) It was the glory years of rock and so many bands that went on to become big put out their debut album in that decade. Other bands that formed in the 60's peaked in the 70's, like Led Zeppelin. One of my favorite artists of all time is Frank Zappa. Yes, he was experimental and in a world all his own, but the guy could play a guitar, and he could compose many amazing songs. He didn't do drugs and was a very intelligent man whose life was cut short. I was fortunate enough to see one of his concerts in Dallas in 1984.

In this two minute clip, he explains the decline of the music industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rw

The point is, the music industry needs a change. Pop and hip-hop reigns king but it is old and stale. There is very little true artistry in music anymore. How well would Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon do today? It was the second album I bought when I was 15 years old. My first album purchased was Aerosmith Rocks. Both are classics.

You are right in that rock needs a comeback, but a REAL comeback. No more formulas to sell maximum records. There are so many talented artists that have no chance because they are never given a chance.

I was listening to Garbage back in the 90's and purchased an album from them. Shirley Manson is pretty awesome, but would Alizee mimic her? Shirley in some ways dresses the "bad girl", which is something that I am pretty positive Alizee would not want to do. Alizee has expressed admiration for Gwen Stefani, who used to be with the band No Doubt. They were more alternative rock in the 90's and moved to a more urban sound, and finally she went on her own.

I can see Alizee doing a sound like this. Put Alizee in Gwen's place. She might not like to be in a video with so much debauchery, but Gwen does move her body and Alizee would look so much better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1YkGO2Ieo

Back to rock music.

I think the world is ready for a resurgence of rock, but the labels need to back off and take the chances that they did years ago. Alizee has a liking for rock, and if she ever gets that itch to get back into making an album, rock is the way she needs to go.

[Scruffydog777]

For her to go off in another direction now would be as big a mistake as UEDS was and she's not going to try something new at 35.

Why do I say Mylene Farmer is the only one who can save her? All these producers, song writers, music composers, musicians (and this is not a complete list) have worked with Alizee and they have failed.

Bertrand Burgalat, Daniel Darc, Oxmo Puccino, Jérémy Chatelain,Angy Laperdrix, Guillaume de Maria, Julien Galinier and Raphael Vialla, Michel-Yves Kochmann, and Jean Fauque, Jean-René, Rob, Jérôme Échenoz,Etienne, Rebecca ,Zlotowski,Tahiti Boy,Château Marmont, , Adanowski, David Rubato, Behar, Jean-Baptiste de Laubier, Jean-Jacques Goldman (I think in the beginning, JJG was supposed to work with her, but I don't think that happened) , BB Brunes and Thomas Boulard, Alexandre Azaria

To say she needs to go back to MF does not mean a return to 'Lolita'. Mylene has put together 11 very successful studio albums, none of which are Lolitaish. Sexy yes, but not Lolitaish.

Alizee needs to stick with pop, she doesn't have that strong a voice and she needs her other assets, her beauty, her dancing and her charm to put out a top-notch product and for that, pop is best. I'd love to see her do another song and video like ACC.

Another reason I say Mylene is the only one who can save Alizee is Alizee I'm sure she has everything she wants in life right now, with a devoted husband and another addition on the way, I don't think Alizee wants to pursue a singing career anymore. Why? She's had 4 failures, zero singing successes since leaving MF/LB. She doesn't want another failure. Despite Blonde, she's still considered a successful performer. Another failed album could erase what Dals has done for her. She's still on top and that's a good way to go out, to be remembered.


If she ever has any thoughts about making another album, she probably thinks about all the people who she's worked with since leaving Mylene and she's got to think, if none of them could make it work, no one can, so I really believe there is no way she will attempt another album. But we had that moment a few months back where Mylene Farmer asked Alizee and Gregoire to help Julia with her dancing. Mylene and Alizée are on good terms again. Mylene Farmrer is a music writing machine! If Mylene asked Alizée if she'd like to work with her on another album, I think it would be another moment for Alizee such as when after she had gone to Paris to see Laurant for a screen test and he called up a few days later and said I think you will be our interpreter for Moi Lolita. She said she cried, Grandma cried, everybody cried. This time it will be Alizee, Gregoire and Annily. Alizee would jump at this because she knows it would be a success. One more successful album would be a nice little financial boost for two people who are only in their 30s. I do feel another album with Mylene is a definite possibility and I think it's the only way we'll see Alizee make an attempt at another album..

[Aragorn97]

Another reason I say Mylene is the only one who can save Alizee is Alizee I'm sure she has everything she wants in life right now, with a devoted husband and another addition on the way, I don't think Alizee wants to pursue a singing career anymore. Why? She's had 4 failures, zero singing successes since leaving MF/LB. She doesn't want another failure. Despite Blonde, she's still considered a successful performer. Another failed album could erase what Dals has done for her. She's still on top and that's a good way to go out, to be remembered.


If she ever has any thoughts about making another album, she probably thinks about all the people who she's worked with since leaving Mylene and she's got to think, if none of them could make it work, no one can, so I really believe there is no way she will attempt another album. But we had that moment a few months back where Mylene Farmer asked Alizee and Gregoire to help Julia with her dancing. Mylene and Alizée are on good terms again. Mylene Farmrer is a music writing machine! If Mylene asked Alizée if she'd like to work with her on another album, I think it would be another moment for Alizee such as when after she had gone to Paris to see Laurant for a screen test and he called up a few days later and said I think you will be our interpreter for Moi Lolita. She said she cried, Grandma cried, everybody cried. This time it will be Alizee, Gregoire and Annily. Alizee would jump at this because she knows it would be a success. One more successful album would be a nice little financial boost for two people who are only in their 30s. I do feel another album with Mylene is a definite possibility and I think it's the only way we'll see Alizee make an attempt at another album..

I agree with everything you said here. A new collaboration between Alizée and Mylene is the most likely eventuality. I just hope that it will happen.

Anyway why do many people say that Psychédélices is a failure? It was certified gold in France, Mexico and Russia. Obviously it didn't get the same success of Mce and Gourmandises but anyway it sold enough.
Mce was 2x gold in France, so Psychédélices is almost there.
I know that the Mce era is better than the Psychédélices era from almost every point of view and that, in my opinion, Mce deserved much more success. But Psychédélices wasn't a failure :(

[Scruffydog777]

Psych did get some good reviews, but after touring Mexico, she scheduled a concert in Paris. I had a ticket for it. It was cancelled. They rescheduled it for about 6 months later at the Rex. I had a ticket for that too. It was cancelled. I went ahead and went to Paris because I had vacation anyways and figured I'd just go ahead and see some things I hadn't seen in my previous trips.

Well several of her fans, had bought non-refundable airline tickets and made non-refundable hotel reservations so they had no choice but to go ahead and go to Paris. We met at the Rex and did a group tour, including a stop at the Eiffel Tower. That's where the picture in my avatar is from though cropped. So I met many of her fans including Roman, Jenny and Magistocki.

I digressed. So she wasn't able to hold a concert in Paris. The tour manager was blamed, but it was and it wasn't his fault. I remember going around Paris and not seeing one poster advertising the concert.......big mistake. MF could announce a concert and she wouldn't need any advertising. The 'new' Alizee, needed advertising.

But I think there's a bigger reason she wasn't able to hold a concert. This was Paris, this is where 6 (or was it 7) of the En Concert shows took place. These people knew what Alizee was capable of. Remember what I said before about the people in France cater more to the top international artists of the world and the shows Alizee put on in Mexico, could not hold a candle to the performances put on by these top artists and they could not hold a candle to Alizee of the MCE/Gour era.

Look at how many great dances came out of that era.....Jeam, ML, Gour, JPVA, even Youpidou had some great dancing moments I love to watch. What dancing came out of Psych? Look at the beautiful outfits that came out of MCE/Gour and along with this goes some of the beautiful hairstyles.

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You'll have to look up for yourself what great looks that came out of Psych, because the ones I saw are very forgettable and there is little if anything of it on my computer, but what happened during MCE/Gour will be forever etched in my memory.

PLP was a very good song. It should have been a single and I think it should have made it into the top 10, but the mediocre quality of the album and the Mexico concert led to its demise.

So with Psych there was no dancing, forgettable outfits on a woman who should not be forgotten. Psych paled in comparison to MCE/Psych and as I mentioned, French singers have to compete against the top international singers and there is one other thing I have to mention. There was bad blood between Alizee and MF. Most of that, but certainly not all of that was due to the song Idealizer.

Another 'critical' factor here is Mylene Farmer. Several years ago, when I first read about her, she was the most successful female artist in France's history and she's done nothing but add to that since. After Alizee abandoned her, she came out with another album. When they announced ticket sales for 2 concerts that were to be held at an 80,000 seat concert in Paris, the first show sold out within 2 hours and the next one wasn't far behind that.

This is from Wikipedia speaking of her recent success....""....On January 19, 2018, the single "Rolling Stone" was released and entered the French charts at number one. The video was directed by Carole Denis. A new album was announced for fall. On June 22, a duet with LP, "N’oublie pas", was released, also entering the French charts at number one.[citation needed] The song was co-written by LP, and the video, set in Iceland, was directed by Laurent Boutonnat......". (Laurant Boutannat....His music went so well with Alizee's voice.)

Bottom line Mylene is huge in France and it has been said that many Alizee fans were Mylene Farmer fans first and when Alizée walked out on Mylene, she lost a huge amount of fans.

So Psych which in my opinion, only had one very good song on it, never had a chance. The show wasn't very entertaining. She lost many of her fans because of what went on with MF, and she was competing with the top artists in the world. Psych needed to be exceptional and it was far from that.

[CleverCowboy]

Anyway why do many people say that Psychédélices is a failure? It was certified gold in France, Mexico and Russia. Obviously it didn't get the same success of Mce and Gourmandises but anyway it sold enough.
Mce was 2x gold in France, so Psychédélices is almost there.
I know that the Mce era is better than the Psychédélices era from almost every point of view and that, in my opinion, Mce deserved much more success. But Psychédélices wasn't a failure :(

I wouldn't consider it a failure. If it was Alizee's first album, going gold would be considered a huge success. I think there were expectations about the album that were not met for many of those who purchased it though. Every album after that did poorly, and she could not draw an adequate audience to do a concert in France.

You have to spend money to make money. Touring and selling out venues is where musical artists make their most money. Alizee needed very good management. She needed an agent finding gigs. She needed to be promoted throughout Europe, especially France. Lastly, she had to put on a good show. Nobody wants to pay money to see Alizee stand there and sing. They want to see her sing and dance, like the old days. That might mean she needed dancers on stage with her, a light show, and all the bells and whistles that go into making a great concert.

I don't know if Alizee and Jeremy thought they didn't need all that investment or if they couldn't afford it, but that was a huge factor.

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Another 'critical' factor here is Mylene Farmer. Several years ago, when I first read about her, she was the most successful female artist in France's history and she's done nothing but add to that since. After Alizee abandoned her, she came out with another album. When they announced ticket sales for 2 concerts that were to be held at an 80,000 seat concert in Paris, the first show sold out within 2 hours and the next one wasn't far behind that.


Has anybody listened to the music of Mylene very much? Is it somebody that you would buy and put on your playlist?

I have listened to quite a bit and saw a good number of her videos. There are maybe two or three songs that are decent, the rest, no thanks.

How did she get so big in France when it is long known that the French don't like French music that much? Mylene certainly has no problem taking her clothes off in front of a camera, so sex is a big factor. What comes as a surprise is that Gourmandises sold more copies that Mylene's best selling album.

In addition to the sex appeal, her concerts are a spectacle, and that is my thought why she rose to big time and continues to stay there. Her last four albums haven't sold nearly what she used to, but she could fill the largest venue in Paris night after night giving concerts if she wanted to. I think this is where Laurent steps in, producing a show that is an unforgettable experience.

[Aragorn97]

Psych did get some good reviews, but after touring Mexico, she scheduled a concert in Paris. I had a ticket for it. It was cancelled. They rescheduled it for about 6 months later at the Rex. I had a ticket for that too. It was cancelled.

Her canceled concerts prove how you have to know how to promote yourself to be a great artist, regardless of your talent. Unfortunately this is something that Alizée never found again without Mylene



Look at how many great dances came out of that era.....Jeam, ML, Gour, JPVA, even Youpidou had some great dancing moments I love to watch. What dancing came out of Psych? Look at the beautiful outfits that came out of MCE/Gour and along with this goes some of the beautiful hairstyles.

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You'll have to look up for yourself what great looks that came out of Psych, because the ones I saw are very forgettable and there is little if anything of it on my computer, but what happened during MCE/Gour will be forever etched in my memory.

PLP was a very good song. It should have been a single and I think it should have made it into the top 10, but the mediocre quality of the album and the Mexico concert led to its demise.

So with Psych there was no dancing, forgettable outfits on a woman who should not be forgotten. Psych paled in comparison to MCE/Psych and as I mentioned, French singers have to compete against the top international singers and there is one other thing I have to mention.

I agree with you about the fact that Mce offered a lot more, but the objective of Psychédélices was the opposite of what Alizée had done with Mylene: she wanted to let the world see that she was more than just "the lolita" and that everything was not only Mylene's credit. So the absence of dances and all the stuff around them was intended. Obviously, considering her first 2 albums, the third one isn't superior. But the fact that she had left Mylene meant that she was looking for something different. And in my opinion she reached her goal. To be honest, I think that she forced too much to create her new image (because she distorted herself), but I guess that the lolita thing was unbearable back then.
So if you consider what Psychédélices was supposed to be, it's a pretty decent album. It's only her voice, Alizée as a singer, and, considering that she didn't have the management and publicity of Mylene (or any good management...), the album sold many copies.
However, to me MCE is better from almost any point of view, but what I mean is that she had decided to do something different and she did it pretty well. Then it's obvious that everyone has different ideas about this choice.


Bottom line Mylene is huge in France and it has been said that many Alizee fans were Mylene Farmer fans first and when Alizée walked out on Mylene, she lost a huge amount of fans.



True. I know why these things happen, but I can't understand...
I mean, if you like a singer, you like him/her regardless of this stuff. There are dozens of unpleasant singers that I like... Why is there this kind of "hate"? :(

Psych needed to be exceptional and it was far from that.

Unfortunately you are right. But, I told you: given the premises, I can't see it as a failure :(

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I wouldn't consider it a failure. If it was Alizee's first album, going gold would be considered a huge success. I think there were expectations about the album that were not met for many of those who purchased it though. Every album after that did poorly, and she could not draw an adequate audience to do a concert in France.

You have to spend money to make money. Touring and selling out venues is where musical artists make their most money. Alizee needed very good management. She needed an agent finding gigs. She needed to be promoted throughout Europe, especially France. Lastly, she had to put on a good show. Nobody wants to pay money to see Alizee stand there and sing. They want to see her sing and dance, like the old days. That might mean she needed dancers on stage with her, a light show, and all the bells and whistles that go into making a great concert.


Yeah, this is exactly what I meant.





Has anybody listened to the music of Mylene very much? Is it somebody that you would buy and put on your playlist?

I have listened to quite a bit and saw a good number of her videos. There are maybe two or three songs that are decent, the rest, no thanks.

How did she get so big in France when it is long known that the French don't like French music that much? Mylene certainly has no problem taking her clothes off in front of a camera, so sex is a big factor. What comes as a surprise is that Gourmandises sold more copies that Mylene's best selling album.

In addition to the sex appeal, her concerts are a spectacle, and that is my thought why she rose to big time and continues to stay there. Her last four albums haven't sold nearly what she used to, but she could fill the largest venue in Paris night after night giving concerts if she wanted to. I think this is where Laurent steps in, producing a show that is an unforgettable experience.

I've always found difficult to analyze someone like Mylene. I think we heard many, many partisan opinions because she is so famous in France and because she promoted Alizée.
I think that Mylene could be compared to Vasco Rossi. Many say that he is the greatest rock star in Italy, he made a lot of tour and sold out concerts in football stadiums. But if you asked me if he is talented, I would answer that he is just commercial. He has no talent. Nothing. And there are many other people that agree with me,even though he recently made a concert with 220.000 people.
Now I think that Mylene has a majestic talent. I can say this by seeing what she did with Alizée and the few songs I know of her, but as you said, Alizée sold more... So, I don't know, what is her real talent? I mean, the greatest French singer that was passed by a 16 year-old girl with no experience... So where is the truth?
Maybe it just depends on what people you ask, as for Vasco. And since she promoted Alizée and we are fan of Alizée, we get very good "reviews"

[Silencio]

For her to go off in another direction now would be as big a mistake as UEDS was and she's not going to try something new at 35.Why do you think that rock is a new direction for her? It is just a continuation of what was begun by MF/LB in "Mes Courants Électriques" and "En Concert" and was then abruptly interrupted by clumsy actions of "creators" like Jérémy Chatelain and Pascal Obispo. "Glamourous rock" is not rock at all.
Moreover, rock music has a direct bearing on MF/LB themselves. At least three of their most successful albums, "Anamorphosée", "Innamoramento" and "Avant que l'ombre..." were rock (or at least pop rock) albums. "Ainsi soit je..." and "L'autre..." were darkwave that, with adjustments for today's realities, is almost equivalent to gothic rock.

Shirley Manson is pretty awesome, but would Alizee mimic her? Shirley in some ways dresses the "bad girl", which is something that I am pretty positive Alizee would not want to do. Alizee has expressed admiration for Gwen Stefani, who used to be with the band No Doubt. They were more alternative rock in the 90's and moved to a more urban sound, and finally she went on her own.
I can see Alizee doing a sound like this. Put Alizee in Gwen's place. She might not like to be in a video with so much debauchery, but Gwen does move her body and Alizee would look so much better!
No, Gwen Stefani is a bad example for Alizée to copy. I considered her candidature among many other female rock vocalists and she was nearly the first from the list of 24 women that I've rejected. She is too sugary, mawkish and emetic. That is roughly as Alizée looked in the "Blonde" clip. I don't want for this to repeat ever again.

Furthermore, I don't expect Alizée to blindly copy anyone's image (and music too, she has already sang too many covers). The main things here are to pick out the right style, give the right attitude and try to find a mentor from professional musicians' world who could supervise Alizée's musical activity. I thought that Shirley Manson was the right person.

To get a sense of how a successful female rock singer similar to Alizée might look like (without regard to producing), take a look at her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL4iDuzOCUM

You can even imagine that is it Alizée who sings the above song to you, especially when someone tells you that her singing career is over. :acute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhDTVq8C-Yc

[CleverCowboy]

I think that Mylene could be compared to Vasco Rossi. Many say that he is the greatest rock star in Italy, he made a lot of tour and sold out concerts in football stadiums. But if you asked me if he is talented, I would answer that he is just commercial. He has no talent. Nothing. And there are many other people that agree with me,even though he recently made a concert with 220.000 people.

I had to look up Vasco and found a full concert of his from 2003. It is 90 minutes long and wasn't going to watch the whole thing, so I skipped through it and and watched a series of short clips. As you said, the venue was huge and it was sold out. It looked like it would be a football stadium, so definitely 100,00+.

The guy cannot sing very well at all, the music is mediocre, but the musicians playing the instruments are all pretty good. Vasco just holds the mic, and he really does a great job in working the audience and getting everybody participating. This is very similar to Mylene.

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No, Gwen Stefani is a bad example for Alizée to copy. I considered her candidature among many other female rock vocalists and she was nearly the first from the list of 24 women that I've rejected. She is too sugary, mawkish and emetic. That is roughly as Alizée looked in the "Blonde" clip. I don't want for this to repeat ever again.


Heavens no, I am not suggesting Alizee go blond again! That was too gimmicky. Gwen's band No Doubt was a good alt rock band in the 90's then evolved into having a more urban sound. Their song "Hey Baby" was catchy, "Hella Good" as well. It gives Alizee a chance to do some dancing when she performs, and we all like to see Alizee dance. :)


To get a sense of how a successful female rock singer similar to Alizée might look like (without regard to producing), take a look at her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL4iDuzOCUM

You can even imagine that is it Alizée who sings the above song to you, especially when someone tells you that her singing career is over. :acute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhDTVq8C-Yc

Amy Macdonald is good. She has a strong voice, plays the guitar and has good music overall. I like to imagine Alizee singing rock, and I know that Alizee likes rock, but just because you like something doesn't mean you would be good at it. I just cannot see her ever doing it.

One particular artist that reminds me of Alizee is Imogen Heap. She has that soft, feminine voice that Alizee has. These songs I can totally imagine Alizee singing. Imogen is trained in classic piano and a few other instruments. She has no band and synthesizes all her music. The style of music is something that I see Alizee doing, especially since she experimented with electronic music in UEDS. Can you imagine Alizee singing these songs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VXVcHmbbTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ri0f-Hh6-U

[Silencio]

One particular artist that reminds me of Alizee is Imogen Heap. She has that soft, feminine voice that Alizee has. These songs I can totally imagine Alizee singing. Imogen is trained in classic piano and a few other instruments. She has no band and synthesizes all her music. The style of music is something that I see Alizee doing, especially since she experimented with electronic music in UEDS. Can you imagine Alizee singing these songs?

This is possible, but it looks like Imogen Heap wasn't very commercially successful. I want to caution against electronic experiments. They often lead to nowhere. That happened to Björk who today writes a music that only she herself is able to understand. Now I see how the same is going on with Mylène Farmer. Mark my words, a couple more albums like "Interstellaires" and "Désobéissance" and her album sales will drop to 50,000. I'm not against electronic music but it should be written by highly qualified professionals like Depeche Mode, David Guetta and Röyksopp, who was in the "electronic world" from the very beginning of their career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFPlGDKgiYc

Their song "Hey Baby" was catchy, "Hella Good" as well. It gives Alizee a chance to do some dancing when she performs, and we all like to see Alizee dance.

Well, Alizée can always dance between the guitarist and the bassist (and even seduce the drummer :), as we have seen in "Mon maquis"), it doesn't matter what kind of rock music she performs:

http://youtu.be/sz4xDGUr91A?t=255

Just for fun, here she dances with the bassist:

http://youtu.be/sz4xDGUr91A?t=188

And here is one (not an Alizée-alike!) rocker who did almost the same back in 1995:

http://youtu.be/1BFUAR-YyVY?t=150

Also pay attention to the bass riff at 2:10.

[Scruffydog777]

Wikipedia classified Gourmandises and MCE in this way.

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But it doesn't matter how they classify them, the different genres sometimes over lap, but if she get's another chance at an album and that's a big if, it will be her last chance if it fails. After 5 failures, there will be no tomorrow. With so much on the line, she can't afford to experiment with other genres.
MCE and Gourmandises were hugely successful for her, what ever genre you want to consider these albums, this is what she should get back to......to songs 'like' ACC, Gourmandises, Amelie, Lou ou toi, Jeam, JP40A, L'e-mail a des ailes, Youpidou. If she get's one more shot, she can't afford to screw it up.

[Silencio]

Wikipedia classified Gourmandises and MCE in this way.

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But it doesn't matter how they classify them, the different genres sometimes over lap, but if she get's another chance at an album and that's a big if, it will be her last chance if it fails. After 5 failures, there will be no tomorrow. With so much on the line, she can't afford to experiment with other genres.
MCE and Gourmandises were hugely successful for her, what ever genre you want to consider these albums, this is what she should get back to......to songs 'like' ACC, Gourmandises, Amelie, Lou ou toi, Jeam, JP40A, L'e-mail a des ailes, Youpidou. If she get's one more shot, she can't afford to screw it up.

I don't want for her to screw up either. Though I like all the songs you've listed (except JP40A), I can't deny the fact that she's grown up since then. I cannot imagine Alizée ‎singing "Youpidou" today. If she will try to repeat 19-year-old herself at the age of 35, it will definitely be a failure. Therefore, it is important to leave the best from that good old days but make adjustments for today's realities (write more "mature" lyrics, for example, and make the music more "tough").

I'll repeat myself one more time: rock music in not something new to Alizée (as well as to MF/LB). Wikipedia can lie sometimes. This is particularly apparent in the instrumental versions of the first two albums. Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-mzPvLLADI

Can anyone say that it is not a rock music? You can take "Lui ou toi" from the first album and listen to the final part of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVZyfb5DJjQ

Let alone the fact that the apogee of Alizée was not these studio albums but their live performance at "En Concert". So look at this page:

https://www.discogs.com/Alizée-En-Concert/master/246950

It clearly states:
Style: Pop Rock

[Scruffydog777]

.........Therefore, it is important to leave the best from that good old days but make adjustments for today's realities (write more "mature" lyrics, for example, and make the music more "tough").:

Absolutely!..... and I'm sure there's nobody better suited for that job than MF/LB. Now I'm sure there are probably other managers or producers or directors out there, who could work with Alizee and put together a successful album, but the question is who and I don't think she can afford experimenting more to find out. With her other albums, post MF, I'm sure the record companies fronted the money for the costs of producing a new album. I doubt that is the case anymore. Is she willing to risk a lot of her own money on a new album? I really don't think so because she doesn't know what has gone wrong.

.........I'll repeat myself one more time: rock music in not something new to Alizée (as well as to MF/LB). Wikipedia can lie sometimes. This is particularly apparent in the instrumental versions of the first two albums. Listen to this:............."

C'est trop tard I would consider rock. I could see Joan Jett singing that song, that is if she speaks French. The end of Toc de mac, I also considered rock. I had even posted this video of the end......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8AcZfliBsk

and as I had mentioned, some genres overlap. One mans pop is another mans rock. But if she works with MF/LB again, it doesn't matter. Even if her voice has changed, they will find out what is best for her, no matter what genre

Can anyone say that it is not a rock music? You can take "Lui ou toi" from the first album and listen to the final part of it.

Though I consider C'est trop tard and the end of Toc de mac as rock, I do not consider the end of Lou ou toi as rock and I'd like to get others opinions so we can get a fair sampling.
https://youtu.be/wFbfY2TsFa0?t=179

[CleverCowboy]

This is possible, but it looks like Imogen Heap wasn't very commercially successful. I want to caution against electronic experiments. They often lead to nowhere.

Her song "Hide and Seek" was certified gold. Oddly enough she was playing around with a voice synthesizer and was making up lyrics as she went for that song. It just goes to show that in the music business, the only thing you can be certain about is uncertainty.

With the advent of streaming music and self-publishing, it is hard to gauge success. I have Amazon music, and for $5 a month I can listen to any album I want. The artists get royalties from the services, and I'm sure streaming hasn't yet been reflected in official album sales. Maybe digital album purchases from iTunes is counted, but you also can just buy one song. It all gets complicated.

There is nothing to stop Alizee from recording just a few songs and selling them digitally.

[Bamagirl]

There is nothing to stop Alizee from recording just a few songs and selling them digitally.

I have thought of that. I have a friend that writes songs (unfortunately not anything that would suit Alizée) and I’ve thought how cool it would be if Alizée connected with someone like her and privately recorded a few songs. Releasing them digitally would be great. It would be ideal, of course, if it could be Mylene. But maybe there is someone else out there—-unknown—who would jump at the chance to work with Alizée and create something specifically for her.

[Scruffydog777]

It's been over 5 years since Blonde failed. The time for her to have done something on her own was 2, 3, maybe 4 years ago. She is full of self doubt. Only one thing can change that.

[Mr Coucou]

Though I consider C'est trop tard and the end of Toc de mac as rock, I do not consider the end of Lou ou toi as rock and I'd like to get others opinions so we can get a fair sampling.
https://youtu.be/wFbfY2TsFa0?t=179

C'est Trop Tard and the end of Toc de Mac--- are definitely rock, in my opinion.

I don't think I would label Lou ou Toi as rock. A power ballad, perhaps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentimental_ballad#Power_ballads


Also, the En Concert version of Moi Lolita was a rock version. (Whereas the original recording was a "dance club" version, I suppose.)

rock version of Moi Lolita:
https://youtu.be/sz4xDGUr91A?t=182

[Mr Coucou]

In addition to the sex appeal, her concerts are a spectacle, and that is my thought why she rose to big time and continues to stay there. Her last four albums haven't sold nearly what she used to, but she could fill the largest venue in Paris night after night giving concerts if she wanted to. I think this is where Laurent steps in, producing a show that is an unforgettable experience.

Speaking of Boudennat, does he compose music for anyone other than Mylene???

Has Boudennat ever written a song for a singer other than Mylene? (Alizee doesn't count.)

I'm very curious.

[CleverCowboy]

Speaking of Boudennat, does he compose music for anyone other than Mylene???

Has Boudennat ever written a song for a singer other than Mylene? (Alizee doesn't count.)

I'm very curious.

This is an interesting question because looking at Mylene's discography, the last album that Laurent worked on with Mylene was Monkey Me back in 2012. She has released two albums since then.

Interesting that in her 2015 Interstellaires album, she sang the Cheap Trick song "I Want You to Want Me." :eek:

[Scruffydog777]

..................I don't think I would label Lou ou Toi as rock. A power ballad........


Also, the En Concert version of Moi Lolita was a rock version. (Whereas the original recording was a "dance club" version, I suppose.)


Also, the En Concert version of Moi Lolita was a rock version. (Whereas the original recording was a "dance club" version, I suppose.)[/QUOTE]


I agree on both points.



Speaking of Boudennat, does he compose music for anyone other than Mylene???

Has Boudennat ever written a song for a singer other than Mylene? (Alizee doesn't count.)

I'm very curious.

Here's what Wikipedia had to say about him, that is the French Wikipedia. The English page on him certainly wasn't as complete.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Boutonnat

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As far as other artists he's worked with, I think everyone in here knows who Julia is, the young singer that Mylene apparently is trying to turn into the next Lolita.

Some people here might not be aware who Lisa is. She is Mylene's niece. I think MF thought that Lisa might be interested in such a musical career, but I believe she wanted to go in a different direction.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n8ym

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I just realize this video of Lisa brings up an interesting point. This video has some sexual overtones. I think some people even myself wonder if Mylene used Alizee to send out sexual messages. Well Lisa is as I mentioned Mylene's niece. Mylene I'm sure is a multimillionaire. She certainly wouldn't use her niece or Alizee for personal gain or profit, but I think what may have happened in both Alizee's and Lisa's case is MF sees the world as a very sexual world. She may have put them into sexual roles thinking they'll eventually find out this is how the world really is which in my eyes is wrong, but I think in Mylene's way of thinking was not wrong. She did not try to take advantage of Alizee or Lisa, but on such a subject, no matter what you believe is right, it's not okay to use young people to convey your message.

[CleverCowboy]

I just realize this video of Lisa brings up an interesting point. This video has some sexual overtones. I think some people even myself wonder if Mylene used Alizee to send out sexual messages. Well Lisa is as I mentioned Mylene's niece. Mylene I'm sure is a multimillionaire. She certainly wouldn't use her niece or Alizee for personal gain or profit, but I think what may have happened in both Alizee's and Lisa's case is MF sees the world as a very sexual world. She may have put them into sexual roles thinking they'll eventually find out this is how the world really is which in my eyes is wrong, but I think in Mylene's way of thinking was not wrong. She did not try to take advantage of Alizee or Lisa, but on such a subject, no matter what you believe is right, it's not okay to use young people to convey your message.

Based on recent news but probably has been going on forever is that there is a segment of population that exploit the young, but the vast majority still find it repulsive. Who knows that Mylene had in mind for Alizee that Alizee refused? I'm sure Jo and Michele had their say, at least while Alizee was under 18.

While on the subject, I have had the thought that Mylene might be waiting until Julia turns 18 before completing the album. If there were any objectionable future songs or videos, Mylene can just say Julia is an adult and can make her own decisions.

[Silencio]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n8ym

I just realize this video of Lisa brings up an interesting point. This video has some sexual overtones. I think some people even myself wonder if Mylene used Alizee to send out sexual messages. Well Lisa is as I mentioned Mylene's niece. Mylene I'm sure is a multimillionaire. She certainly wouldn't use her niece or Alizee for personal gain or profit, but I think what may have happened in both Alizee's and Lisa's case is MF sees the world as a very sexual world. She may have put them into sexual roles thinking they'll eventually find out this is how the world really is which in my eyes is wrong, but I think in Mylene's way of thinking was not wrong. She did not try to take advantage of Alizee or Lisa, but on such a subject, no matter what you believe is right, it's not okay to use young people to convey your message.

I didn't find anything sexually allusive there. France has always been characterized as a country with more liberal attitude towards sexuality than other countries. What you call "sexual overtones" may be a normal way of thinking not only to Mylène but for the majority of the people of France.

[Mr Coucou]

I France has always been characterized as a country with more liberal attitude towards sexuality than other countries. What you call "sexual overtones" may be a normal way of thinking not only to Mylène but for the majority of the people of France.

From the (English) wikipedia page of Laurent Boutonnat:

Boutonnat's videos for Farmer contained many nude and sexual provocative scenes which forced the TV stations to ban them from airplay.


It seems even the French have their limits.

[Silencio]

From the (English) wikipedia page of Laurent Boutonnat:

Quote:
Boutonnat's videos for Farmer contained many nude and sexual provocative scenes which forced the TV stations to ban them from airplay.

It seems even the French have their limits.

Now I'm completely lost. Who sexually exploited whom? :confused:
Boutonnat exploited Mylène, Mylène exploited Alizée or Alizée exploited me? :)

[Mr Coucou]

Who knows that Mylene had in mind for Alizee that Alizee refused?


Its too bad Alizee won't spill the beans.


While on the subject, I have had the thought that Mylene might be waiting until Julia turns 18 before completing the album. If there were any objectionable future songs or videos, Mylene can just say Julia is an adult and can make her own decisions.



I hadn't thought of that, but it very makes good sense. Its probably the best theory so far as to why there's no album.

[CleverCowboy]

I like Nolwenn's voice. I thought her voice was good in Double Je, but I thought it was much better in L'Assasymphonie. I also thought Patrick Fiori's voice was outstanding and Pascal Obispo's very good too in L'Assaymphonie.


I stumbled across a rather bizarre video with a young Nolwenn when she was was competing (and won) Star Academy, season 2.

There is a certain other person with her, who was also a contestant. A few others join in as the video progresses.

Star Academy 2 went from 2002-2003.

Keep in mind the year Alizee married.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoJbCMhlsw

[Aragorn97]

______I stumbled across a rather bizarre video with a young Nolwenn when she was was competing (and won) Star Academy, season 2.

There is a certain other person with her, who was also a contestant. A few others join in as the video progresses.

Star Academy 2 went from 2002-2003.

Keep in mind the year Alizee married.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoJbCMhlsw
:/

[Scruffydog777]

I stumbled across a rather bizarre video with a young Nolwenn when she was was competing (and won) Star Academy, season 2.

There is a certain other person with her, who was also a contestant. A few others join in as the video progresses.

Star Academy 2 went from 2002-2003.

Keep in mind the year Alizee married.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoJbCMhlsw

Interesting. That certain other person looks very familiar. I guess they were mimicking what was going on, on the screen in front of them.

[CleverCowboy]

Interesting. That certain other person looks very familiar. I guess they were mimicking what was going on, on the screen in front of them.

In my search for more information on the dates of this Star Academy, when putting their names together in a search, there are pictures that come up where they are getting mighty cozy together.

I forgot the name of the show where he met Alizee but it has to be real close to this time. Alizee found out real fast that Jeremy loved the ladies, and they loved him. I have suspected that Alizee loved him more than he did her, and possibly the hasty Vegas marriage was her idea, thinking that he would quit his womanizing and the girls will leave her husband alone. Wrong on both counts. A leopard doesn't change their spots.

[Aragorn97]

In my search for more information on the dates of this Star Academy, when putting their names together in a search, there are pictures that come up where they are getting mighty cozy together.

I forgot the name of the show where he met Alizee but it has to be real close to this time. Alizee found out real fast that Jeremy loved the ladies, and they loved him. I have suspected that Alizee loved him more than he did her, and possibly the hasty Vegas marriage was her idea, thinking that he would quit his womanizing and the girls will leave her husband alone. Wrong on both counts. A leopard doesn't change their spots.

I still wonder what she found in him...

[Shepherd]

Now I'm completely lost. Who sexually exploited whom? :confused:
Boutonnat exploited Mylène, Mylène exploited Alizée or Alizée exploited me? :)



All of the above.

[Silencio]

Still on the subject of Alizée Trivia, I wanna ask if someone has seen a French film "Un moment d'égarement" ("One Wild Moment")? It takes place in Corsica. One of the lead roles in the film was played by the actress Lola Le Lann. It was her debut in cinema.

Not less interesting is the fact that Lola Le Lann began her career in music this year. Currently, she has only one single:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yl61M_82mM

It starts with the words:

À l'horizon les alizés
Sans mon alezan caramel
Quand je vois s'enliser s'enliser
Les rayons du soleil
Ma visière vandalisée

Don't you think that everything goes around Alizée? :sstruck:

[Scruffydog777]

Still on the subject of Alizée Trivia, I wanna ask if someone has seen a French film "Un moment d'égarement" ("One Wild Moment")? It takes place in Corsica. One of the lead roles in the film was played by the actress Lola Le Lann. It was her debut in cinema.

Not less interesting is the fact that Lola Le Lann began her career in music this year. Currently, she has only one single:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yl61M_82mM

It starts with the words:



Don't you think that everything goes around Alizée? :sstruck:

I guess this movie made in 2015 is a remake of the movie by the same name made in 1977. It will be interesting to see if the full movies are an available line, especially if parts of it were filmed in Ajaccio.

This is a pretty interesting find. Of course the first movie came along long before Alizée was born, but now we have a remake that can have added touches to bring it up to date. The story is about if I got this right, two divorced men who go to Corsica with their daughters on vacation and one of the daughters gets romantically involved with her freinds dad. A Lolita I guess you'd say.

As far as the song, the first line on the page where I found the lyrics says
"À l'horizon les alizés"
Now Alize is the spelling of the name of the trade wind that Alizée was named after. The trade wind is considered masculine by the French so to get the feminine, you add an e and it becomes Alizée. So the spelling on this page where I found the lyrics had only one e, but this might be because whoever posted the lyrics made a simple mistake. Even if the official lyrics had 'Alize', I think they were referring to Alizée.
One reason I feel that way is soon after the video starts, it shows her getting a tattoo on her back.
Coincidence.....maybe.....maybe not.

Corsica
Alize/Alizee
Lola/Lolita
Tattoo on the back
Even with the sharks, Alizee said one reason she didn't go to the USA was she was worried about the sharks in the press.

[Fall]

Even with the sharks, Alizee said one reason she didn't go to the USA was she was worried about the sharks in the press.

I thought she was referring to the sharks in the music industry instead? Either way, she has reason to be concerned

[Shepherd]

Still on the subject of Alizée Trivia, I wanna ask if someone has seen a French film "Un moment d'égarement" ("One Wild Moment")? It takes place in Corsica. One of the lead roles in the film was played by the actress Lola Le Lann. It was her debut in cinema.

Not less interesting is the fact that Lola Le Lann began her career in music this year. Currently, she has only one single:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yl61M_82mM

It starts with the words:



Don't you think that everything goes around Alizée? :sstruck:


Incredible find.

[Silencio]

Do you know that, in addition to the Little Corsican Cutie, to which this site is devoted, there is also Large Corsican Cutie: :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZd-qLAdWg

Well, I'm not quite sure about the 'Cutie', but I think she deserves attention while the Little Cutie messes around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFoV7ZhhYmE

Her real name is Clara Luciani.

[Scruffydog777]

Do you know that, in addition to the Little Corsican Cutie, to which this site is devoted, there is also Large Corsican Cutie: :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZd-qLAdWg

Well, I'm not quite sure about the 'Cutie', but I think she deserves attention while the Little Cutie messes around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFoV7ZhhYmE

Her real name is Clara Luciani.

The first video couldn't be played in this country, but I was able to watch the second one and she does have a very nice voice.

Edit:

I did find that first video on Youtube and was able to watch it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxF1fy7I6w8

[Silencio]

Aliose is a francophone Swiss duo playing pop folk music. Guess what the woman's name is. :confused: :eek::yahoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Da5lr2zMHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOLFvbRekA