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RMJ 01-17-2007 01:21 PM

Merciiii

Downloading it right now. :)

Ben 01-17-2007 04:33 PM

Got it. Looks nice. VOB2MPG worked again. But... I can't really tell much difference in quality among any of these three samples. Maybe this one looked a little bit better, but I'm not sure. And they're all around the same file size too. RMJ?

RMJ 01-17-2007 05:07 PM

Yea, the quality is about the same, maybe even tiny bit better than in other two. The first clip might be tiny bit lower quality than the two others. What I think we see is just variation in the TV broadcasts. They aren't always sent at same quality settings, and especially since these 3 samples are from different channels. (altho, in first clip it might be that it was really recorded with different settings, with SP)

But I did compare the last clip to another clip from M6. It was captured by Olympio and it was captured from the same show (Jour J) some time ago (the latest Alizée clip). Olympio's clip is sharper, so I think the DVD recorder really does something to this clip. aFrenchie's clip seems to be streched in horizontal direction few pixels. That would explains the softness I told earlier. I don't know if the streching is caused by the recorder or was the image streched before broadcasting for some reason.

But anyways, the quality as good as it can get with this recorder I believe. And it's still good quality. It's not direct stream but well I guess better can't be done without capture card on PC.

But I'd say that when aFrenchie's should use this XP setting when recording. Since the file size is quite acceptable, it's exactly what I'd execpt it to be.


Also I noticed now, while going through it in VirtualDub, that there was interlace pattern in some parts of the video (I didn't notice earlier because ffdshow had deinterlace filter on). Could be possible that the dvd recorder makes (not perfect) deinterlacing before re-encoding it and that causes some softening, too, with that tiny strech that I mentioned already.


Here is two frames, one from aFrenchie's vid and one from Olympio's vid. Both from same channel and program, so I'd expect to see similar quality in them. These just to show what the recorder does to the image. It's not big difference, especially in moving image, but it exists. Especially notice left and right edge where the black starts. In Olympio's capture it is perfectly sharp as you'd expect it to be in digital image with high bitrate. aFrenchie's vid shows there clear softening that I'd say is caused by re-encoding.

http://www.3rdw.net/compare/jourj1.png
http://www.3rdw.net/compare/jourj2.png

But anyways, like I already said, the video is quite good quality overall. And since we solved the audio problem, too, I think we have nothing to worry about. I really wait to see the recorder in action. :)





Btw aFrenchie, what did they say about Jennifer Aniston ? And was there bigger clip of her ? And you don't happen to have it all on tape ? :p

aFrenchie 01-17-2007 05:41 PM

The three clips look good for me, even the SP one, whose quality seems to be about the same... :confused:
Anyway, I hope that maybe I'll find better options when I decide to open the manual :)

About your frame RMJ, is it one picture you took randomly or did you have to find it? I can't seem to find that sort of glitches myself. Exemple:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6767/captureyd6.jpg

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Originally Posted by RMJ (Post 25417)
Btw aFrenchie, what did they say about Jennifer Aniston ? And was there bigger clip of her ? And you don't happen to have it all on tape ? :p

Oops sorry, I can't tell you what they said after I stop the recording...

RMJ 01-17-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aFrenchie (Post 25423)
The three clips look good for me, even the SP one, whose quality seems to be about the same... :confused:
Anyway, I hope that maybe I'll find better options when I decide to open the manual :)

Yea, they are pretty much same quality all. I can see small differences, tho. But it can be just the broadcast that differs slightly.

I btw downloaded manual for that DVD recorder, gonna look into it later. To see if I can see anything interesting. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by aFrenchie (Post 25423)
About your frame RMJ, is it one picture you took randomly or did you have to find it? I can't seem to find that sort of glitches myself. Exemple:

Ah, don't worry about those. They are normal interlace patterns. I didn't took that frame because of them, they just happened to be on it. I just wanted any frame to compare.

And if you haven't noticed them, you probably just have deinterlacing on. Which I had earlier, too. But the video has interlaced frames, even if you didn't notice them. :)


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Originally Posted by aFrenchie (Post 25423)
Oops sorry, I can't tell you what they said after I stop the recording...

Aww...

brad 01-17-2007 09:04 PM

yeah i think they look great, audio sounds great too


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