just wondering
 

on the topic of movies and stuff i wanted to ask a question that i wasnt sure has been answered yet :) um when alizee releases her third album is there anyone who will record of all her media and tv preformances and post them somewhere just like *that*. like a day after they happen.... yeah i know im impatient but i miss Alizee hhaha.

plentyyyy of people are eager to do that. Visit www.alizee-forum.com and www.mf-international.com then you can meet them all. Don't worry we will be definitely able to see her TV shows and appearances even though we can't get French TV :)

Actually, this is something that's been worrying me for quite some time. We have fewer people both in France and with the right equipment and knowledge than you might think! We've lost many of our most dedicated cappers from the MCE era. Those remaining, mostly on MFI (Touch, Olympio...), would be doing it only as a favor to us and not also for themselves. That could make them less reliable, and we do not want to miss a thing! The French boards (Alliance, etc.) don't seem to have the technical know-how, as evidenced by Alizée's brief apperance on MTV last Feburary which Kiouty ended up having to cap. So yeah, I think this is a problem... one I've been trying to address for years now. It's a major reason why I urge cooperation among the forums (especially MFI, which many people seem hostile towards). We are going to need each other very soon!


Usually this is only done for foreign films, and not domestic French ones. Though it wouldn't hurt too look (I would if I were there, though I'd settle for plain French if I had to), but I wouldn't hold my breath.

uhoh well im sure you'll find a consitant person to help us out as a favour !
things always seem to work themselves out in the end haha. or i unno how it works but that crazy satt tv on ur comp if this site could get the ones alizee appears most on like tfi and m6 it could be easier to get the vids of her straight to there computer. ill look into it and maybe ill be able to purchase some french channels for my comp. but i wouldnt know how to record them. Just a suggestion as of now.

Yeah, I looked into getting some French channels here, but all there is is Trace and TV5monde on one carrier. It's so annoying: most services have channels from like 60 different countries, but it's always everything other than France! :mad:

Talking about which... I did further investigations and I found out that I could get ~100 French channels via satellite. :blink:

I read that it's possible to order CanalSat France to Finland. All I'd need is satellite equipments... (which would cost 500 euros at least)

These channels I'd be able to get (including all the major digital TV channels and bunch of digital radio channels):
http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/canalsatfr.html



Yea, but I doubt I'd understand much of it. :)

But we'll see..

Good news, two weeks ago I decided to buy my DVD player/burner (don't know the exact name in English) so now I can record anything from TV programs (in numeric TNT!) to HDD, DVD ram and DVD R & RW (I only had the ones of my PCs but with no tuner, etc). The only problem will be to convert that to a PC video format (avi, mpg, etc). I've made some successful DivX conversions but that's all what I know right now and DivX isn't great!
Also, I'm not fond on TV as a hobby, I barely watch it, especially TF1 and M6! So you (huge encyclopedia fans like RMJ or Snatcher) better alert me when Alizée is programmed on any future show. Yeah, that beats everything! I'm the French here and you'll tell me what's on on French TV. Haha! :D :D. I mean I never buy/read TV program magazines so you'll surely know before me (via AF and MFI forums) when she's on a show...
Now about copyrights, I don't know much about this. Will I be really allowed to post that on the internet, while it's all new, etc? :confused:
Anyway, it'd still be great if you know other French people to do it. But I'll try what I can.

Excusez-moi mais... why do you need to convert anything ?

Those DVD recorders should record into MPEG2 format directly from DVB stream. It should be fully compliant as is. If DVD player can play it, PC can 100% sure play it. No conversions needed.

What do you see on the disc if you record something ? (if you look at it on computer).



Alizée wouldn't care since it's free promotion for her.

TV companies generally don't care cause they can't stop it. And it doesn't really hurt them anyway.

But I wouldn't worry about it anyways. Since if you want, no one will know that it was you who originally shared it.

And there's been cappers all the time and non of them has gotten into trouble really. And most of them even have tags on their videos so they'd be easy to track to them.

My guess is that recording the TV performance for your own viewing is OK, but to share or distribute it publicly would be an infringement on the copyright. I think the rules are different if you are a journalist doing some kind of news report.

By the way, does anybody know if Alizée has ever attempted to write lyrics or music, or commented on the subject? Has she learned to play a musical instrument? Just wondering...

They are standard VOB files of course but those are gigantic, especially to upload on the net!!! Well I know you can find those files in the Alizée archives though.
By the way, here's my hardware:
http://www.panasonic.fr/servlet/PB/m..._l3/index.html
That's what I fear. But well, it's been done already like RMJ says. Maybe I shouldn't tell what I'm going to do in forums and the like :D

As time progresses I am sure that it'll be organized. I'd just like to give my thanks to the senior members and everyone who is concerned on helping others to see the latest alizée tv preformances when they come out. And to know certain dates, francophones from this site could check out A.A. for certain dates when they know she will be preforming. Im still learning french.I know the tenses but my vocabulary is missing a lot of words and am far far from fluent but i can read a bit so i shall try as well :)

all this french channel talk.
i have a french channel with comcast but i cant watch it sadly. even though i wouldnt be able to understand it, id watch it if i was bored and stuff.

aFrenchie, the VOB files are what we're gonna want. Yeah, they're huge, but only the best for Alizée!

Yes, and that's exactly what we want ! Only the best is barely good enough for her.

If they are too big for you to upload then simply send them on DVD to someone who will do it (the someone will gladly pay the costs).

The most important thing, however, is to save them all. Everything you can, save them at highest possible quality. Because, like you see, the biggest mistake in the past is that we do not have good quality video clips from big part of her career.

It would be awesome if someone had access to high definition channels like M6 HD and would be able to record them, too. That would be the dream.


It looks quite good. :)

Have practice with it and learn to use it fluently, so there won't be trouble when you need to record her. :) And always, record her with the highest possible quality settings.

You can always make lower quality file out of HQ file but you can't do it vice versa.

Still, I don't know if the highest recording mode is the most reasonable. If you look at this pic from my previous link above, I suppose the VOB sizes will vary a lot:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3661/tempsze7.gif

Note their mistake: in the first parentheses, they should say DVD-R 4.7 Go and not "disque dur" (verified on my manual but obvious, of course)

I have 18 chanels in numeric TNT (maybe that's what you're talking about) and M6 is one of them of course:
http://www.tnt-gratuite.fr/ (sorry for the French page)
I can tell you the video quality is absolutely excellent!!!
I paid it 499 €. Should be good I think...
I've had no problem until now, except when I lost some chapter marks once on the DVD (I recorded first on HDD) but at least the whole movie was there :D

I think it probably is. An hour per single-layer DVD is standard. Though maybe you could also get away with that 2-hour SP mode. But certainly nothing below that.

Nah, it's excatly what you want. :) You want it full quality. Equal to DVD quality.

But like said, the size isn't problem. If you can't upload it, then we use other method to get it on the net.

But the important thing is to have the master record to be as good as possible. You can always make smaller files out of it for special purposes. And for example, you can make AVI file out of it and upload it while you mail the original copy of VOB to someone who can upload it easier. Then we'd get the file right away on the net and the full quality version in couple days.

1 hour for a disc sounds good. The performances lasts only few minutes anyways. And even the interviews are rather short usually. Any interview could fit on DVD.

And since you have HDD in it, too, even longer record is temporarily possible (in case you don't know exactly when she is gonna appear). Then just cut the Lili part and add to DVD (with full quality).



I think you have the normal M6. (not sure tho since it doesn't say on the site.. or atleast I didn't notice)

The channel what I meant is called M6 HD. The HD stands for High Definition (Haute Définition). And it offers quality that is superior compared to DVD. HD channels has resolution of 1920x1080 or 1280x720 (when DVD and normal digital TV has resolution of 720x576). Same quality that is offered by Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. One second of HD format takes roughly 30Go space.

TF1 HD and M6 HD is supposed to start in this month (few days ago actually):
http://www.hdnumerique.com/actualite...0-janvier.html

The SP mode seems to be the default mode when I put the unit on (or was it only the last one I used?). I'll have to make some tests anyway and see if the quality is 2x better in XP and which is the difference in file size. Think, if the VOB is already enormous in SP and the XP mode simply doubles the size while the video quality isn't that better! :eek:
Anyway, for small vids like songs and interviews are, I'll surely use XP indeed...
Ok, I haven't that (yet). Anyway, "TNT" that I have now is already excellent compared to the "diffusion hertzienne" (don't know in English). Wiki (read about TAT and TNT)

Using XP instead of SP does not double the quality. Even tho, the file size is doubled. But it will be higher quality anyways. Higher bitrate (that is what those XP and SP changes) means that you will have more room to work on. Like for example if there is very fast moving scene, if the bitrate is too low, it will cause blocking, the image will become blocky and very unaccurate. It will loose it's details. Higher bitrate allows more data to written on those fast scenes so the movement can be much more smoother and very accurate.



TNT = Digital television/broadcast ( it uses standard called DVB, which is short for Digital Video Broadcast )
TAT = Analogic television/broadcast

The stream you get from TNT is equal to DVD. In France, it's 720x576 pixels, 25 frames per second, encoded in MPEG2 (MPEG4 is possible).

Oddly enough, I'm back to topic while in the DVD topic again: I've just recorded a reportage in the evening news about Jacquou le Croquant, with excerpts of the movie, interviews of L. Boutonnat and two actors. It lasts 2:36 and I made it in SP mode: the VOB is 165,380,096 bytes!!! Actually two VOBs:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2374/jacquougd8.gif

The image format is 720x576 indeed.
I could try to upload that if you want to see the quality (and the reportage!) and me to train before Alizée's back ;). What's the best, rapidshare.de, others? I never used that size of file... I still can upload it on one of my ISP accounts though, but I'd prefer to keep anonymous! :D

The best I've found is http://www.mediafire.com

Mediafire has no upload limit, no download limit, no file size limitation and is very easy to use. It tells you how much time before the upload is finished and shows you how many people downloaded your file(s).

If you go to their webpage you'll see everything about them on their first page. Hope this helps.

Indeed, Mediafire is probably the best at the moment, though some people find their upload speed a bit slow. http://www.sendspace.com/ is another option.

Ok, I've launched Mediafire and it was very easy indeed. I'll post the link later...

Looks like Mediafire has crashed not far from the end for some reason :(. I haven't even understood the message. I'll try again tomorrow....

The smaller VOB is usually menu item or contains copyright infos and stuff like that. In your case, the menu is most likely. VIDEO_TS.VOB is the first file that gets played when you put DVD in player.


Of course, when the time is right and you want to upload Lili stuff... there's always our own Alizée server for them, with FTP uploads and everything... you might recognize it already, 1alizee.com . ;)

Ifyou can't get the mediafire to work, you can try rapidshare.com too. It should be working quite ok.

Here's the file: http://www.mediafire.com/?1ydmkzqyyiw
(you'll need winrar to extract the VOB)

Tell me what you think of the video quality. Next time I have something short to record, I'll try the XP mode that should double the size...

About the reportage:
- When talking about Boutonnat, the news speaker tells about his work for M. Farmer but not a word about Alizée (expected though).
- In the beginning of the reportage, they alternate excerpts from the TV series in 1969 (see my post about this here) and excerpts from the Boutonnat movie. They're easy to recognize, the TV series is in 4/3 format (and a bit old image) while the movie is in 16/9...

Downloading it... tho, it's gonna take some while since mediafire is really slow for me at the moment. :(

I downloaded the file but seem to be having some major problems with it. The sound starts getting very out of sync in Media Player Classic, and VLC just plays the first few seconds before skipping around for a moment and then stopping completely. Maybe RMJ could shed some more light on this?

That's what all VOB files always do for me, I mean even the ones on standard DVDs that I've bought, but I thought that you all had a solution to read them since I always heard you can... I can read them only with my DVD player (PowerDVD), still, only in the standard way from the DVD.
Can you read a VOB file from a commercial DVD in MPC or VLC yourself?
If you want to test that, here are the other files (attached), burn them with the huge VOB on a DVD-RW (all files must be in a folder named "VIDEO_TS" from the root) and you should have no problem to see the movie with your DVD player.
Could it be a region format issue?

Yes, I can confirm that the sound is bit off sync on the file. But it's not something really to worry about right now. It's fixable. Tho, it's better if we can find solution to this problem...

First thing that came to my mind was, how did you get the VOB file from the DVD ? Simply copy pasted it to your computer and send it ?

Because, I believe that is the problem. VOB file on DVD doesn't necessary have all the required information about syncing video and sound correctly. DVD is much more complicated thing. Like you noticed yourself, if you add those other files, the problem gets fixed. It is clear proof that there is some info on them that is needed for syncing the VOB file correctly. So, copy pasting just the VOB file isn't good solution.


So, let's try solution for this problem.... Download this program (DVD Decrypter):
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/vi..._decrypter.cfm

It is excellent program for extracting videos from DVD. It can extract everything, or simply chapter by chapter. Or even just subtitles (or any stream) if you want so !

1. When you have it installed, open the program and put the DVD in the DVD drive (and make sure you have right drive selected in program if you have more than one DVD drive).

2. In the program, go to mode menu and select IFO.

3. Look at the right side of the program. It has tab called Input. It should show all the content of the DVD. You should see entry called VTS_01, which is pretty much the same as the VOB you uploaded. If you click the litte + sign it will extend the file tree (it might be extended already, so you may not see the + sign) to show what that VTS_01 file has inside it. It should have entries called PGC1, PGC2 and so on. Choose the one that looks right (is about 2:11 minutes long).

4. When the PGC file is selected, look at left side of the program. Select destination dir where you want it to extracted. And then click the icon below it that has image of DVD and hard drive. It should start extracting the file.

5. Done.

6. Go and try out the VOB file you got this way. Maybe it works better.

I copied it to my HDD and uploaded it.
But I know that all VOB files I tried to read directly from any standard DVDs in MPC, VLC, BSplayer, etc, always gave me the same result than the one Snatcher described. Now I wonder if the VOB files you're used to read in those applications are real VOB format or if they wouldn't only have that extension? Try to open a VOB file from a DVD you bought in MPC for ex.

I'm going to try this program you linked but I doubt it will work since it seems to only remove protection. I know the DVDs I create are not protected and I also know that I can't read a VOB file even from not encrypted DVDs in MPC and others...

Yes. This is the first time I've encountered a problem like this. Both RMJ and myself have now made working DVD images with the files you provided, and are now trying to figure out how to get a working vob file from them. Usually for us all that we'd need to do is copy them like you did. That's not working. Another even better alternative is to rip them with DVD Decrypter. We tried that and it didn't work either. Very strange. We'll keep trying and let you know when we find anything...

I tried with DVD Decrypter and it created the same file on my HDD than the one I uploaded (I used the "comp" command under Dos). That's what I expected, it's only for protection and there were none.
Now I'm pretty sure it's a region issue. France is region 2. Maybe MPC and all other programs just don't support those region vob files?!
Those I create and all those I bought must be region 2....

Na, it's not a Region issue. I've played plenty of region 2 files and never encountered this. Besides, Ronny's in Europe, same region as you. MPC plays the file fine when it's on the DVD. It's only when isolated do the problems start showing up.

Region codes has nothing to do with it.

And since it's your record, it's region free unless you specifically add it some region.

And the DVD Decrypter isn't just for decrypting. It's multipurpose tool. The decrypting is just one of it's features (and it's most important feature when dealing with retail DVDs).

Ok, you're right, it's not a region issue apparently.
Weirdest thing is that it always did that for me. I don't remember one VOB that worked in any other applis than a DVD player. And I mean even from the DVD with all other files (I just tried that again) while it seems to solve the problem for you!

Hey, while we need to think about this problem... Could you make small clips using XP and SP modes and upload them ? So we could later study what's the difference.

The clip you uploaded seemed to be little soft so your recorder must have re-encoded it. I'd like to see what the XP clip would look like. It might be direct copy of the digital stream.

I think I know the problem for this but I just need to find the right tool. I haven't dealt with problem like this in long time. :) And I haven't slept in long time either. :)

Sleep is overrated anyways, just like nutrition.

Running the files through VOB2MPG seems to solve most problems, though the playback is still a tiny bit wonky. We'll keep looking into this, though yeah, in the meantime it would be cool to see a small XP sample. If it's a direct stream copy mode, it might even not have these same playback issues.

Just recorded a 45sec clip, burnt it and it still won't open in BSplayer for me (nor MPC, VLC, etc)
I still can upload it if you want, in case it works for you, and at least to compare the quality. Btw, how was the SP quality?