Does she have a deeper side?
 

Since Alizée began sharing with her fans (after being quite reserved for most of her career and often absent from the public eye), I noticed that she mainly shares superficial topics with her fans. I have been wondering why she is acting that way. Is she really that superficial? Or, does she have a deeper side that she keeps to herself? And what if Alizée would slowly reveal herself to be a really shallow and uninteresting person, would you keep following her career and remain a fan?

I would still listen to the music but I would probably stop buying the albums and following her career as much as I do now at least. As far as being a fan, well like I said I would be a fan of the music, just not so much the person.

I think she's a victim of the times. Where Facebook followers and #of tweets are the yard stick of success.

IMO.celebrities, like Alizee, are walking a very fine line. I'm sure a lot of them would like to share more of their personal lives with their fans. On the other hand, they're just humans like us who also want to keep some of their personal lives private. In my case, most of my "friends" in facebook are my relatives. Some are either my real friends. And a few are either former schoolmates or co-workers. And, most of the times, I don't even share most of my private life with them - well, at least not to all of them, and definitely not on social media.

And so, for Alizee or other celebrities out there, I don't really expect them to be really intimate with us fans (whom most of us they hardly know even though we might be following them for years) and share us their most private moments. Alizee, already had on few occassions by sharing her photos of her daughter. And I think it must be really difficult for them to do that in order to "give back" to their fans to keep us entertained, especially on a daily basis.

Well, They just want to have fun with there fans right ? (Celebrities).

I perfectly understand what you feel my friend, but we must ask ourselves one question : Should we choose to spend countless hours dreaming about the hidden personality of someone that will never care about us individually, that will never let us be a part of her private life and won't ever reveal it to us rather than cherish Alizée for what she truly represents for us ?

We must focus on what is really important, and this is how we think of her, because trying to analyse a person's personality only through the meaningless messages she shares with her fans on the internet will only lead us to think that she is indeed superficial , because sharing superficial things is the main purpose of social media for artists! Look, our love for her is limitless because what we see in her when we look into her eyes is what we desire the most as our ideal of perfection and kindness which fills the heart of each and everyone of us with joy and emotions in our very own way, let us not spoil our fandom with speculations about Lili being an uninteresting person, thing that I personally , do not believe.

(Even though I couldn't say the same of Jérémy Chatelain :D , but this is another story)

how can we know anything about her deeper side ? She shows absolutely nothing what is going behind the curtain, in her intimate life. We have no idea what is going on when she is with her family, friends. At home with her daughter. Sure, she drops us some pictures once in a while, but should we expect she posts anything from her private life ? That would be really dangerous.

Thanks for the interesting comments, so far.

One thing has to be made clear, here; I do not propose that Alizée should open her private life to her fans more than she wishes to. All I am saying is, since she decided to share with her fans, she might as well share other interests besides tattoos, peace signs, cakes, shoes, duck faces and pizzas? Although some would say that as long as you share superficiality, you are not opening your private life, I would disagree. I believe that once you start sharing any information on the Internet, unless you are deliberately dishonest about that information, you are opening your private life to some extent, even if you think you don't.

That fact is shown here, when the analysis is pushed to the extreme:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2854403.html

Now, if Alizée posts an occasional picture of her cat or a blouse on her bed, that wouldn’t mean much. But, if she posts daily pictures of how she occupies her time, how she relaxes at home, where she goes during the day, what she eats, what restaurants she goes to, how she dresses for all occasions, what movies she watches, what people she interacts with, what objects are in the rooms of her house, how it is decorated... one could easily start to get a clearer sense of what her personality is. Each piece of information in itself meaning little, but after month and years of exposure, there is a clearer pattern that is revealed.

We might entertain the thought that although she doesn’t share about it, she also reads about philosophy, enjoys discussing China history and likes spending her days in museums, but let’s be frank here; Alizée is clearly showing the behaviour and the interests of a superficial, frivolous and immature person. But could it be any different considering the tools she uses to share information? Are Facebook and Twitter limited to that sort of information; silly pictures and quick one liner with hearts and kisses. I don’t think so. You can write a line about a good book. Write your general impressions about a challenging and moving movie you just saw. Link to or ‘Like’ interesting Websites, blogs, news articles... I am not a fan of social networks, but I can say that many of my friends and many artists that I know have very challenging and interesting information channeling through social networks. And the funny thing is that I would say that they expose their private life much less than Alizée does.

I've followed her for over eight years and haven't seen any thing that I would consider odd or unique that would point to a mysterious or deep personality. Shy slightly introverted when around people she doesn't know, outgoing and playful when around her good friends. Appreciates her privacy and alone time and not one of those people that needs constant attention and accolades to feel needed or wanted. She is perfectly happy with who she is.
She knows when to turn on the charm, personality when in a public venue but that isn't her normal disposition. There is a wild and crazy girl bottled up in that little body but few ever really get to see it other than her good friends and those who have the En Concert DVD.

Corsaire, you make a good point but we have to realize that all these daily pictures Alizée has been posting all started right around when she started working on this new Album. There is a reason for what she is doing with her posting a small part of her life on the Internet. Remember how many pictures during the summer she posted of her and Pierre (Dancerman) and the only pictures we see of the two of them is from Pierre's Instagram or Facebook. She isn't stupid as we get closer to the release date she is trying to look more and more available, no boyfriend. She is trying to pull in as many guys as she can hoping they will purchase her Cd. Like what happened this week with Milely all of a sudden calls of the engagement to the guy she's been seeing. I'm wondering if she saw something happening negatively with her career over that relationship and called it quits. Look at Britney and as soon as she dumped K-Fed her album sales took off.
I'm really curious to see if leaving Jeremy is going to have a positive effect on Alizée's career. She may be immature and a little lackadaisical but she is a lot smarter than many people give her credit for.

First off, great posts Corsaire!
Even though I honestly and truly get the vibe that she is a superficial person (as many young people today sadly are) I will play her advocate for this post. Is it truly fair to call her superficial when, like Corsaire said, social media encourages superficial behavior and even more so when one is an artist try to attract fans? I personally think for us to call her superficial we have to look at other things beyond social media, such as interviews, videos, concerts, behavior (in which she is very spontaneous one has to admit) and then see if the pieces come together. I personally think she is a good hearted person but I find her to be very shallow, a kid in a woman's body and that is what ruined her for me. To make a simile to her music: like the songs she sings, all of the deeper meanings have been written for her by someone other than herself! :(

You make a good point. Maybe she has small circle of interests. But does that mean that she is immature ? I know plenty of mature people who couldn't care less about quantum mechanics or politics. But that doesn't mean that they are immature. They have families, work, spend evenings watching tv or going out. We shouldn't forget, that she did not have the typical childhood and teenage years. She was ripped out of school at the very young age and from then on, all she had to do for living was look sexy and shake her ass. But now we see that she didn't really enjoy that role. She dumped her Lolita image, despite all the money flowing in to her bank account and most professional managers one could dream of. We don't truly know her. Some people have a lot of things in their head but prefer to make small talk about fleeting subjects instead of vomiting their world views all over the place. Even the smartest person in the world could enjoy posting about outfits, pets and self-shots to pass the time. And those who forcefully talk about principles and philosophy can easily turn out to be small minded


Or maybe she just has people who pull the strings for her and give her advices ?

I dont understand how that can be said when we have no evidence to prove that statement in even the slightest bit.

You pick up on things here and there that point to her being a little brighter than she comes across as. I don't know how many women you are around or interact with daily but there is small group of them, that will intentionally act dingy, clueless and helpless to manipulate other people around them.

There are a whole lot of guys out there that are threatened by a strong woman as well as a highly intelligent woman. There is a lot more upstairs in Alizée's head than anyone is giving her credit for. Sure, she has everyone as you pointed out pulling the strings for her. Or she getting them to do the work she would rather not deal with on a personnel level? She goes shopping or lays on the beach while everyone around her is killing themselves making her look good. So who is the smart one?

Lackadaisical, immature, materialistic, add in the possibility of being manipulative and sly as a fox. Alizée has everyone bowing at her feet since she was fifteen and doing what ever they could to please her, do you really think it stopped or she would let it stop if she could help it?

Wait until you get out of college FRA and get a job in the business world you'll soon learn how really crafty some woman can be. You'll see them manipulate others to do their job for them while taking full credit for the work. BTW there are lot of people of both sexes that do this I'm just making the point using women.

Not one of us hangs around her or knows her personally so it is all speculation on everyone's part.

Why does it matter so much? Because it ruins the fantasy of her?

it's always fascinating how deeply you guys analyse stuff.

ok I just quickly scanned your posts... so here are just me two cents and they might have not much to do with the above.

Yes, she's posting a lot of stuff about clothes, about Corsica, about pretty things, about going out bla bla.

But don't all celebs don't stuff like this? And also - does everyone really has to share his or her deepest thoughts?

Apart from that, instagram is full of random crap. I will never understand why it's so great to instagram your food...

Also - what do you want to see? A happy Alizée who is enjoying herself? Or a sad Alizée, lost in sad thoughts, upset? Before you post something you select. You can't tell they world all your deepest thoughts, worries etc. That's something for your friends, your family. Most times she simply wants to share the brighter side of her life with us. And so she chooses the things she's enjoying and who others might enjoy too, even if it is superficial stuff like clothes, jewellery etc. That doesn't make her a worse, less interesting etc. person. It's just a more "normal" side of her life. And it's the part of her daily life she wants to share with us, she wants her fans to know. How long have we waited for that? For years! And now when she does you aren't happy either...

I'm sure there is a deeper side, I mean everyone has a deeper side! But not everyone wants to share everything. You share a smile with the world. Not the oh-my-god-everything-sucks part. Ok ignore the last 2 sentences. That would be basically me when I would be famous. But I hope you see the point.

It could have been worse. She could be one of these celebs who posts the most embarrassing photos. So be happy that she posts this "superficial" stuff.

Also yes I know you love to speculate about her personality. We all do.

But face facts - we don't know her. We knows parts of a puzzle but not the whole picture. We know what she likes, we know a part of her because of her songs but we don't know the real Alizée. We don't know how she is when she's pissed, what makes her sad when she's alone and thinking about something and feel like you never be happy again. We don't know this part.

But we know how kind she is to her fans. How much she's enjoys the support. How lovely she's around kids. That she supports charity. That she has a big heart. And I don't see anything superficial in this.

Fuck that's a beautiful post Jenny!!! :)

Only a woman could post such a beautiful thing.. well I enjoyed reading this thread but you just killed me with that.

Casse-toi, pauv'con

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well that's a surprise... I was scared that you guys would find me really rude.

Edit:

well that's nice...

I just want to know how to pronounce it.

Haha funny guy.. don't toy with me you fuck!

Very good post Jenny :clap:

Come on guys, we can disagree with other people without using that language, regardless of the... well, language.

Also, that was a great post Jenny, don't be afraid to post like that :)

Don't let these waffles slag down the Precious, just do't let em dot it...

Jenny, there is nothing to worry about. We all have our own views on the subject and a forum is the right place to share and discuss.

For many, Alizée provides enough of (more than) what they expect in a singer to keep the interest going. Myself, I need more of what Alizée doesn’t seem able or willing to provide. The limitation is not Alizée’s behaviour or personality, the limitation is linked to my expectations. I have no problem with admitting that. Nevertheless, I think this is still an interesting topic. If no one would question any of Alizée’s behaviour or moves, we could close all forums and just visit her Facebook and Twitter for pictures and release dates. A forum is to discuss topics and discussing will inevitably oppose different opinions.

I have always said that the Alizée concept was a very complex matter to me. I would like to understand what makes her so attractive in the first place (and no, for me, this is not only physical). I am struggling to find out what I saw in her and why she is so intriguing to me. Why she is so alluring. That might not be easy to understand, but, although I moderately enjoy her voice and some of her songs, her singing career is not that interesting to me. I had great hopes to find out more about some deeper side to her when UEDS came out because Alizée suddenly publicly showed more maturity. But somehow, that deeper side has been washed away and since the mystery that characterized the early years also vanished, well, I am left with all this superficiality that I don’t really care about. But still, I can’t let go...

I thought I had discovered a strong, mysterious young woman who had the courage to reject an easy path to selling millions of records to maybe accomplish something more fulfilling on her own, but there might just have been an amazingly beautiful singer with a soothing voice. That is more than plenty for most of her fans, but it would be disappointing to me.

Like what, I surely haven't picked up on it? I don't interact with many women ... yes you got me; mind you my major is rocket science and out of the 50 or so people in my graduating class only about 5 are female. However I can tell you that these women are among the smartest people I have ever had the privilege to meet or probably ever will meet. They are much smarter than I could ever hope to be and they DO NOT intentionally act "dingy, clueless and helpless to manipulate other people around them" in the slightest bit! What you just said is insult to all intelligent women in the world and especially towards my colleagues who I have the up most respect towards. The only women ... no scratch that ... the only people who display what you posted are unintelligent people whose only means for survival in this world is to munch off of the talents of others. There is one member on this forum, I wont say her name but everyone knows her, who I can say is extremely brilliant and far wise beyond her years for sure. She definitely does not exhibit what you said; so it must be the women YOU hang around because the brilliant women I see act just like a brilliant person should! Now that that's out of the way lets get down to business here!

Speak for yourself, only weak men are intimidated by and try to put down a strong woman. All of those 5 women I mentioned before are stronger than me and a lot of my classmates and I are proud to say it and tip our caps towards them.
You keep saying "[t]here is a lot more upstairs in Alizée's head than anyone is giving her credit for" very nice; I hear you saying it ... I dont think anyone is doubting that you think it and im not even saying you are incorrect; I am saying you made a statement that "I feel" there is no evidence for and I am asking for evidence and your thoughts as to why you think your statement to be true. Snookie "goes shopping or lays on the beach while everyone around her is killing themselves making her look good. So who is the smart one" .... notice how I took exactly what you wrote and put it in front of an extremely unintelligent and equally horrible human being! So it is with that example I ask whats your point and how does that prove anything?

You make her sound like a horrible person, not a smart one! Im not even going to say nor deny she is those horrible things because once again I don't have the evidence to make that conclusion; nor do you. What you are saying is an hypothesis .. no an opinion is a better choice of wording here, and you should make that clear instead of passing it along as fact. Plus I should point out that not EVERYONE is bowing at her feet, I certainly am not, therefore it cant be everyone.

Dont make this personal buddy, plus can you really call what I go to school for "college" in that sense; it is very much the real world.
Once again you are going off on a sexist tangent. Im not saying some women dont do that, however some men do it too ... ok you admitted to that too: good. But that doesn't mean someone is intelligent. Hell I think a beautiful woman could get a lot of men to do things they normally wouldn't do; but that is due to ones submission to hormones and sexual desires not the manipulator's intelligence. Same goes with a good looking guy who appears very attractive to women; he can definitely do some manipulation on them. I see these types of people all the time (male and female) and mostly they are the biggest tools you will ever meet in this world. The reason being is the fact that they had everything handed to them their whole lives, everything they achieved was due to their looks and manipulation and not hard work, passion, desire, initiative, or talent and therefore they turn out to be a wasted brain and wasted parasite of a human that somehow is able to feed off of the better half of this world!

Boom ... there you go! That's all I wanted to hear and that is the only thing you said here that I can agree with!

ALS has no respect for women whatsoever. He's making her sound like a fucking sociopath.

Like Jenny, I too fear that I am going to sound rude, as I've in the recent past experienced some very negative "experiences" connected with superficiality of the world around me and as a result I've lost quite a few "friends" of both genders (nowadays I know that my life is better without them and their superficiality), therefore please don't be too hard on me if you consider my post rude.

Like Corsaire, I too have asked myself in the past whether Alizée actually has a deep side, and my experiences are quite similar to his (apart from the fact that he knew about her before the UEDS era).
Anyway, does Alizée have a deep side? Like Jenny said, everyone has a deep side. But what exactly does depth mean? Well, everyone has his own definition of depth, which adhers to his/her worldview, philosophy, what he does in his/her life, ... if we want to search for depth in Alizée, we should at first come up with a definition of depth itself, so that we will know what we are looking for. A definition, which will be invariant to ones gender (and please, don't even mention that females are in general deeper than males, because that is, sorry for my expression, load of shit - depth should not be defined as something connected with emotions, hormones,...!).

Perhaps a very shallow definition of depth (i.e. something that manifests itself when one is in a extreme emotional state) can be extracted from Jenny's post (sorry Jenny, you should've done a better job at explaining what depth actually means for you instead of just linking it to being sad or happy or whatever emotional state someone is in at the moment when one considers depth of his/her character).

My reply to ALS: I join those who consider his post negative. I have similar experiences to Future Raptor Ace, I study computer science and mathematics and I can say that all of my female colleagues are smart, however you define that word, but I would not say that "smart" females deserve my respect more than equally "smart" males - smartness should be considered separately from gender.

Jenny's post is perfect and spot on.
I hope she lets me copy-paste and use it for the next similar discussion about Alizée:D

@SpanishFan

thank you :) As long as you credit me you can copy and paste it as often as you want lol xD

@Matevz91

well you said yourself you have to ask what is the right definition of having a deep side... well yes, I choose "emotions" to explain it... so what is your definition of it then? How should a "deep" person be?

Thank you for the question. How I would define a "deep" person? In one sentence - a person, whose actions, ideas and philosophy are all derived not only from previous experiences, but also from previous actions, ideas and philosophy (and them also being derived from even earlier actions, ideas and philosophy and so forth).
That means, a "deep" person (as per my definition) would always have something to back up what she/he does, says or thinks - and that something would not be just some past experiences and feelings. For example, consider a stereotypical terribly shallow teenage girl, or worse, Snooki (the one from MTV) saying "dream always and all ways" - even though she is saying something that can be considered "deep", I am almost 99% sure that there is nothing substantial behind her words. Be careful - being "deep" in my sense doesn't mean that one should have many real life experiences, it is more about analysis of experiences, about imagination and creativity. Actually, I would say that a "deep" person should try to learn from other people how to avoid unnecessary negative experiences and try to focus on experiences (either considered negative or positive) that will enable him/her to boost his/her "depth" even further. Further, I would say that a "deep" person in my sense is also a "smart" person.

Therefore, "depth" in my sense is not so much about how you portray yourself, it is more about with what can you back-up that what you are portraying - ideas, convictions, ideology, experiences, desire to accomplish something, ... . Of course, that doesn't mean that you have to strictly show that your actions and words come from your past ideas, actions and philosophy, you just have to show that what you do or say means more to you than just satisfying your immediate needs.

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Btw. At first I wanted to strictly (that is, mathematically) describe my definition of "depth", but I decided against it because majority here would not know what I am talking about, and the point here is to discuss (as Corsaire said), not to develop strict theories. If you want, please share your definitions of "depth" too!

Funny Euphoria since my best friend is a woman and I have more women friends than guy friends. Most of women I'm around have more guy friends than girl friends and pretty much all the women I know outside of those that work for me complain constantly about the women they work with.

There was nothing in that post that would point to her having any mental issues. Gee shy and quiet around strangers and out going with her friends makes her sound like a sociopath? Go find the video of the fan get together with some French fans when she released Psychédélices and watch her body language closely. As far as materialistic goes do you take pictures of every outfit you have on every single day then post it on the Internet? You personally have pointed out the cost of most of her clothing to the guys on the board. So is she trying to show everyone how much money she has invested in her outfits? Immaturity, Take a really good look at "what" she has Tattooed on her right arm?

Funny in over six years on this board I've only had an issue with ONE woman, you. I love talking to Jenny, Karin, Karla and Azhiri they are really nice and then there is YOU.

Euphoria you defiantly have men issues and hey if it makes you feel better to take it out on me fine, at least you're leaving everyone else on the board alone. :p I know you far better than you could ever imagine and I know where this problem you're having with me is coming from.

I'm just pointing out what I see with her posts on twitter and Instagram.

She is 28 years of age and she is in someways reliving her childhood that she lost to her career.

I have worked with a majority of women for over the last twenty five years, so I have a pretty good understanding of them. I've been accused more times than I can remember that I know way too much about the opposite sex. I see the games being played out every week and hear them talk about the mind games they've played on their boyfriends and husbands to get what they want constantly. My office is directly across the hall from my employees break room so I hear everything they talk about in there.

You're reading more into what I post than what was actually there.

First off maybe I should have said something a different way but when you work 65 plus hours a week and have to deal with the mind games employees play you do sometimes get tired and that usually comes with an attitude. If you feel I have a bad attitude towards women than you should talked to my four women managers because their attitudes towards women makes me look like a push over.

All the managers in my company are women and they got the position because of their skill sets and plus they are some of the hardest working employees I have, not because of affirmative action. In twenty 24 years in business I've only had one male manager. If I'm such a woman hater then explain to me why after being in business 24 years the average woman employee has worked for me 16.75 years and my women managers have worked for me on average 19.25 years.

You would be amazed at the number of women over the years who will not work for me because all my managers are all women. Gee, I wonder why certain women don't want to work under another woman? I guess women know all the games and they don't work as well like they do when you work for a man. I've never had a guy working for me ever having an issue working under a woman manager.

There is one thing I'd like to point out about Alizée that makes me like her a lot, she seems to have as many girl friends as guy friends. Every woman I have ever known who was like this, was wonderful to be around. They were the kind of women that didn't stay single very long.

FRA, You aren't paying attention to some of the things she does. The big one was when she moved Annily and herself back to Ajaccio. That was a smart move on her part. Most women probably 90% of more would have moved out and got a apartment in Paris and gone on the rebound and found another man PDQ. Alizée could have had her pick of a number of wealthy French men and she didn't do it.

Someone pointed something a month or more ago here on the board that Jeremy said something like how he used Alizée for business reasons. No idea if that was true or not but if true Alizée will never let another man into her life that is going to use her for financial gain. Had she stayed in Paris she would have never found love only men that wanted to be with her for either personal or financial gain. Maybe in Ajaccio she feels she has a better opportunity to find someone that will truly love her instead of relationship that is nothing more than a business arrangement.

The fact that she made the decision to move back to Ajaccio made me really appreciate the kind of woman I'm a fan of. :) She isn't one of those women that needs a man in her life 24/7. She'll find someone, she is really a good person and there are a lot of men who would love to have someone like Alizée the person not the performer in their lives.

I've been around a number of people who were involved in music and any that did OK for themselves maybe never made it big were usually brighter than most people ever gave them credit for. Maybe they were not book smart as in having a college education but they were not clueless or stupid in any way either. I've had the pleasure of knowing a small number of MENSA members in my life. In most cases they are very different and many people look at them as odd balls. I worked with a guy right of college that had an IQ over 160 and a member of Mensa. I found out by accident by running into someone that knew him socially. Every one at the company thought he was a nutcase and screwball. The problem was the guy was so far beyond his superiors that he tried to dumb down the conversation to their level and even still the information was going right over their heads. Once I realized what he was and not what everyone thought he was I hung on every word that man spoke. The other people in that room didn't realize what was sitting in front of them at meetings they looked at his input as a waste of time. He worked there until he retired. All the managers and supervisors he had under him back in the eighties all were forced out, fired or their jobs were eliminated over the next ten or so years.

Like a girl I was out with once asked a guy that was putting down people he thought were below his intelligence level can you make a broom? She said if I give you a stick, twine, some steel wire and bundle of material for the broom part can you assemble a functional broom for me right now, he said probably not. She just looked at him and said well there are mentally retarded people at Goodwill who do it everyday, does that mean they're smarter than you?

Sorry, but I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between "definitely" and "defiantly."

Actually, I didn’t put much thought into how a word as vague as “deep” means something different for different people. I instinctively believed that it was understood as the opposite of shallow, or superficial. But then, how do you define shallow or superficial?? Obviously, when Jenny added her thoughts, I realized that for her, “deep” means something quite different than what it means for me. Thanks for bringing this up Matevz, clarifying terms and concepts is essential in a debate.

For me, deep would typically describe a person who will have numerous and diverse interests, will have a certain level of sophistication and culture, will understand and analyse situations in their proper context, will have a fairly developed sense of concepts like morality, justice, equality..., will prefer discussing topics that are challenging, more complex and require more thoughts and abstraction...

Jenny says everyone has a deep side? Sure, there are all shades of grey in this area, but you can have pretty close to white and pretty close to black. I personally know people who are extremely shallow and find interest only in good looks, their career, money, clothes, cars, dancing in clubs, having fun, sex... I see nothing wrong with that, but if this is all one fills his life with, well, to me, that is being shallow, and I don’t find shallow people particularly interesting. Nothing wrong, just my personal preference. And let’s be clear on one point here, for me, this has little to do with gender, socioeconomic status, race, religion...

Now, the main question I ask in the present thread is : is there any evidence that Alizée has any deeper side to her? So far, I would say that she is rather on the shallow side. Some want to blame the tools she uses to interact with her fans (Facebook and Twitter). Others believe that it would put her privacy in danger if she showed a deeper side. I have explained in earlier posts why I do not believe those are valid explanations. One fact remains, whatever reasons there are for Alizée only displaying superficiality, if she does have a deeper side, she makes great efforts to keep it repressed while she interacts with her fans.

Here is how I see it. I think Alizee and I have been going through something similar the past few years, and while I know little details about her life, I think we are sort of kindred spirits in this way.

Long story short, the past 7 years have been quite "heavy" for me. Heavy emotionally and spiritually. When you're going through hard times, I think it is normal to do some soul searching, and seek out things that have a deeper meaning. During these years, I listened to quite melancholy music, and I loved reading about history, philosophy, and psychology. I also delved into some things that a lot of people would consider silly, like astrology, card reading, psychics, and paranormal activity. All of these things contribute even further to that feeling of heaviness on your soul. It dredges up a lot of feelings that you have to deal with, and it can take a long time to get to the point of healing.

Contrary to what people are saying, I think Alizee is not going through a period of soul searching, I think she is currently healing. I imagine the decision to get all those tattoos was actually quite difficult for her. It's never as simple as saying "I'm gonna do what I want, I don't give a fuck what people think."
Maybe that's what she's saying now, but I'm sure she took a while to process all of the things that could happen as a result of getting them.

I'm actually not trying to turn this discussion into her tattoos, it was just an example. Anyway, she is a woman. Most women, especially those with money, like to shop. It is therapeutic for us. We want to feel pretty and special and yes, a handbag can certainly do that for a lot of women. Trust me, women even get off on how pretty a designer BOX is that the handbag came in, we love that shit.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, I think Alizee is going through her period of healing right now where she's done with the heavy stuff, and wants to feel lighter. Let's not forget that she has said this new album is pretty personal, and I imagine it drudged up a lot of emotions and things from the past.

If buying a new Chanel bag makes her feel better, why is that so bad? It's not like she's letting her child starve. Superficial things tend to make us feel lighter, and it's nice to not constantly think about all this shit that's in our head. I am going through it right now and it is SOOO nice to just not have to THINK all the time. I am loving just doing what I want and going to lunch, and shopping, and at the end of the day, having a glass of wine and chilling watching The Vampire Diaries.

How deep? :fear:

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this is wonderful post :clap:

I liked your post, Jenny. And I like Euphoria's last post as well.

I think I understand what motivates Corsaire in trying to get a handle on this subject because I've given some thought to it myself over the years. Hell, I even wrote a song about it once. :) I think a person would maybe have to get to know Alizée personally in order to know the answer. Maybe she's just keeping things light and superficial in public to avoid any controversy.

I don't know what your reasons were for researching those topics, but I would say that you gained much by doing that, even though you might think that you're done with them (I don't know, don't take it personally). And yes, I agree that such topics really do tend to make you feel somewhat strange, perhaps I would call it disconnected, or as you did, heavy. Plus, I have some unaddressed mental issues (bipolar disorder?) and I will have to seek medical help one day, or else they will become dangerous. Trust me, I know the importance of relaxation (if it is even possible).

However, is she "deep" or "shallow"? Well, she is both, depending on who judges her. Jenny mentioned how kind she is to people around her, to us, how kind she is to children, how she supports charity, how she is keeping her "deep" side to those close to her, Euphoria backed her up with claims connected to her own life, how she might be healing, relaxing and such... all fine and dandy. I've noticed these types of thinking in almost every female I've come accross in my life so this almost surely is true also for Alizée (btw, also ALS has some valid points in his last post).
Yet, the reason why I (and perhaps Corsaire?) might not be satisfied by this (default female?) perception of "depth" is because my brains are wired differently. Yes, I do appreciate her positivity, kindness, support for charity, need for privacy, relaxation and having a good time... but at the same time, these things also overwhelm me, as my poor introvert brain struggles against all this positivity. People have already said to me that I am not happy, and they are right, because I don't want to be happy. I want to be balanced, so that I can focus on things that really satisfy my needs - thinking, imagination, relaxing. Emotions and specially happiness in large doses overwhelm me and if there wasn't a world worthy of discovering behing Alizées works and things to learn from her, I would have probably never considered her in the first place.

I hope that you understand what I am trying to say... its 2:15 am here, I was writting this, half asleep, almost for an hour, but I am still not happy with what I have written...

Edit:
The bottom line is, for me, Alizée as a person is kind, but shallow - somewhat like Tinker Bell, who of course is shallow because she is a cartoon character, and it is up to us to apply the additional dimensions to our image of Alizée (i.e. Tinker Bell).

Fair enough, but I find all those things really important. Enviroment and education make 90% of what we are imho.