The changing of Alizée: yay or nay?
 

See, the thing is that they are visible when performing! Not the Tinkerbell one on her back, but the one on her forearm is quite visible. But the thing is, it's not her tattoos that bother me, like I said before, she's changing everything.. and for what?

I truly appreciate that she's bringing back some of her oldie but goodies, like JEAM and a bit of JPVA.

To an unknowing person, Alizée from MCE/Gourmandises would come off as a completely different human being now.

Okay, you say that it's not her tattoo's that are bothering you but she is changing "everything" what is this "everything" that she is changing that you don't like?...

I think Alizée will always be Alizée and there is nothing she can do to change that!... I love her for her...

You act as if you want her to be young again... I'm sorry, but she's growing up and she is not ever going back!... lol!... if you wait another 10 years though you can jump on the Annily bandwagon though! :aha:

Listen up noob, don't you dare ever accuse or imply that I don't like Alizée. Those are fighting words they are, and a fight you'll get. (Not a serious threat! :p)

No, I don't mean that I wish she was younger again, but that she'd at least retain some of the characteristics that drew me in.

First, her music. Don't give me the whole "her early music was basically completely controlled by MF", I know it, and I get it. UEDS was something utterly different in every way possible. Even the way she performed them was different. All she did was stand there and hit a keyboard with dim lighting.

Secondly, her performances. She just stands there and sings. The first thing that captivated me about her was how she danced! She's a dancer by trade, so why isn't she utilizing her talent? I can understand if it's hard to sing and dance at the same time, so why not lip-synch while dancing?

Third, her looks. I know this sounds incredibly superficial, but as an artist, how you look is a big part of your appeal. She is still the most beautifully adorable woman I've ever seen, but she does nothing with it. All those tattoos, the bland hairstyle, the darker clothing.. who's she trying to appeal to?

I don't want to come off all whiny and Alizée-hating, cuz I don't! But I just wish she'd just retain a few characteristics of her earlier days to show us that she appreciates us fans of the Lolitazée.

Okay okay... I hear you.... chill out... I was just playing devil's advocate... I'm on your side! Don't tase me bro!

However, I also feel that she is not obligated to give up the things she enjoys in life! She should be able to have both!... if she didn't want to change her image she might as well have stayed with MF... If she wants to be a mommy, she should be allowed to be a mommy... if she wants to get a tattoo she should be allowed to get a tattoo.. none of these things, as much as we may not like it, do not change the person she is deep down inside...

Although it breaks an unspoken rule in keeping ones image... we just have to live with it...

Many icon's have changes to their image and the world lives with it... be thankful of Alizée because it could be worse!:

Michael Jackson
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Mike Tyson
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Britney Spears
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Cameron Diaz
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Lucky for us... Alizée always looks just as good even when she changes... just like the following ...








Angelina Jolie
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Shakira
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Not all celebrities can retain their celebrity feel during the changes... but the great ones manage to pull it off... usually it is men like John Travolta, Vin Diesel, and Brad Pitt, though.. rarely women... but Angelina Jolie pulls off hair color changes well and Shakira uses many different types of hair styles and hair colors..

I often read about people wanting Alizée to dance again... I want it, too, but i am not so sure. I think if she stopped doing her routines is because she did not feel to keep doing it, specially being a person who loves dancing as we all know...
So i hope that if she returns to the coreographies is because she really feels it, and not cause can be more commercial or something like that.

Neither yay nor nay.

While many good points have been brought up, keep in mind that at one time Ricky Nelson did Madison Square Garden for an oldies show, but he dressed as he did on the date of the concert, not how he dressed when he recorded the music, back in the '50's.

The audience came to see the people look and sound the way they did back when they were recording their songs, and did not accept him for being who he was on the day of the concert, many years later.

That is what the song "Garden Party" is about.

I feel that if we like Alizée, her natural change in her tastes, dress, styles, et. al., should be left to her own devices. If not, then we are not seeing the real Alizée, which would be sad.

Allow her to grow as she does, based on her universe of input, not ours, and we will see the real Alizée.
Whether some of us choose not to continue to follow her would at least be based on honest input from her.

I may be way off on this, but I will follow her because of who she is, what she does, and allow things to happen as they do. Maybe I'm wrong.

Said it well!

When Alizée began, she was a teenage girl. Now, she's a few years away from 30. (:)) (A smile is required when you point out that a woman is almost 30.) (An even bigger one when she's almost 40, but that can wait.) All grown up!

She has to find herself, find who she is musically and as a performer. Now, it's obvious that UEDS was a false start as far as commercial viability is concerned, and she's just as aware of that as everyone else if not more so. She'll be doing something different with the next album, by the rumors a return to her pop roots, which is probably a good idea, but remember that doesn't mean she'll be doing the same sort of thing as in the early 2000s because she CAN'T.

So of course she has to change -- well, has changed as a person, and as a performer she has to change, too.

My solution to this predicament...

Let's branch off and make an AnnilyAmerica.com forum!!! Just like TDA said, hop on the bandwagon while you can !

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Better register it now before it gets taken! :D

This really a complex thread in my opinion. What exactly are we talking about changing, the type of music, her dancing, her appearence?

The main thing in her performances that has set her far apart from any other singer I've known in my many years, is her physical beauty, her inner beauty, the beauty of her dancing; the beauty of her voice, the beauty of the music and lyrics, and the beauty of the language. All are factors. So each time you take something away from any of those them, it brings her performances down to a level of so many other singers.

The beauty of the person inside will never change. There are so many things that we've seen over the years that show this. With so many celebrities, their true character will eventually show up and there will be someone to tell about the dirt and with Alizee, there is no dirt.

As far as the dancing; the jam and jpva days are gone, but she is still a very gifted dancer and it was awesome to see her dance in last years Les Enfoires with dances like the one in the Medley where she was wearing the maid's outfit or during the song "un monde parfait". She looked so great during these performances. She doesn't have to grind her hips or wear revealing outfits to look great when she's dancing.

As far as her physical beauty. It's not really necessary for her to have it to have success with her next album. The music will determine that, but it is another thing that set her apart from so many other singers, and I feel each time she adds a noticeable tatoo, it takes quite a bit away from that asset. Going back to the "un monde parfait"; I love watching this performance, but I wince when that tatoo shows up on her arm. Recently there's been talk that she might turn blond. She might look great as a blond. But I think she looks so incredibly beautiful with her natural hair color or at least a close second as a brunette, that I'd hate to see her change.

Again, as far as her physical beauty, what a sweet, loving gesture to have a tatoo of Annily put on her arm and the name of her husband in hebrew tatood on the other wrist. But can having a tatoo of your daughter being on your arm really make up for the difference when you're away from her? In her eyes, it could very well be, in which case, it's probably well worth the hit to her beauty and in my eyes it is a hit on her beauty. Then there is the tatoo on her back. I think this meant a lot to her and though I don't like it, it's not that much of a factor, because you don't see it that much in her performances.

I don't really think these tatoos will harm her music career, but if she hopes to maybe branch out into other areas of show business, such as the rumor that she might be on the show, the view, I think they could be a hinderance. I think these shows would rather have some one with her original natural beauty, rather than a tatoo lady; of which there are probably plenty of in the Paris area.

The main point is the beauty of the music and the lyrics and to me, there is only one song that has come close to so many of the songs of her first 2 albums and that is PLP and judging from the popularity of the last 2 albums in France, I am not alone in that boat. As I've said many times before, MF and LB are just 2 incredibly talented people and they were a perfect fit for Alizee. I think these 3 people are as true a "dream team" as there ever was one. Finding suitable replacements has been a tall order that's been almost impossible for her to fill to date.

As far as the French language. She has some songs in English that I love, but I think it's her French songs that have a special beauty to them, but I'm sure she'll feature songs in both languages.

So in summing up; can her new album reach the level of success as her first 2 albums. I think they can come very close. As far as being a commercial success, all that is required is good songs. As far it reaching the same "specialness" as so many songs on her first 2 albums did; it will take some "great" songs, plus some well choreographed dances and hopefully some outfits that will cover up those tatoos.

First off, good post.

However, I think if we were to put ourselves in Alizée's shoes, we would find that she is living her life with the love's of her life. her husband and daughter. And, like you said, she is willing to take a toll on her own beauty to reflect on the important aspects of her life by applying tattoo's to her body. To me, that shows me her character and how deep her emotions run with family and love. She puts the close people in her life before herself and her career. One of the things we have all loved about Alizée all along is her heart and if you look at it this way, she is proving how big her heart really is.

We can all probably agree that Alizée is very smart and not naive to the fact that she may be hindering forward progress with her career and limiting her success by making some physical changes with her appearances and adding the tattoos. I highly doubt that she took it lightly to add them and that she thought about what they meant to her.

I think Alizée will always be a beautiful person with a big heart and anyone would be lucky to know her like her close friends and family know her because she is obviously a very caring person and does not let fame or wealth get the best of her. It is seldom these days where you find successful people who are willing to demonstrate their love for another to the extent of putting their love for them above their career. And I think Alizée's way of doing that is through her artistic expression.

With that said, I am still on board with Alizée's performance and music no matter what her life decisions are. She is aware that her success may go through changes and may not be as great as before because more of her personal expressions are out now and there is less left to the imagination of her fans. She may appeal to fewer fans that share the same less-broader interests, however, what matters to her are her family and her true fans that care about her well being and allow her to live.

Just think, if next week we find out that Alizée likes to walk around the house naked, some of us may love it and some of us may think that it's not right... it may have positive and negative appeals to us and she may either gain or lose fans as more people understand more about Alizée and how she likes to express herself. (I think she would gain more fans by the way).

Conversely, if next week we were to find out that Alizée secretly puts puppies in a blender... I'm pretty sure she would lose a lot of fan appeal and her music and career, and everything will go down hill. Kind of like when everyone found out how crazy Mel Gibson really is when he has his fits.

In summary (and this is by no means directed at anybody here): Some of us need to quit being selfish fans. Alizée gave us what we wanted already, and whether you like where she is going or not, it is where she is going and you are either going to like it or not, but that depends on how well your interests match her interests as she continues to express her interests in a more detailed fashion and leaves less and less to the imagination for her fan base.

I'm just hoping Alizee doesn't end up like Sinead O'Connor - incredibly beautiful woman with incredibly beautiful voice that just went to waste because of poor choices that she made in her life.

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I guess I just don't share the antipathy that some of you have to her tattoos. Not that I'd ever get one myself, but if she wants to do that, and obviously she does, well, why not. It might make it difficult for her to act on stage, but honestly in the movies it wouldn't be a problem, the things that can be done with computer graphics these days. (So if my Star Mages trilogy ever gets made into a movie she could still play Dolphin.) :france: (I have a much harder time deciding who would make a good Karla or Jaguar.)

My feeling is that all this sort of consideration is secondary. When she first came out with Psych, she was insecure, uncertain if she could do it. She was out of practice performing. Her first performances showed it; she was just not confident. Then, after the fiasco of the Moscow concert, she seemed to get it back. But the album itself was a smorgasbord, a scatter-shot of different styles, as if she was tossing a variety of stuff out on the waters to see how people reacted to them.

Then UEDS was a shot at creating a really artistic, avante-garde album. It was a great album IMO, and got lots of artistic kudos. But -- it didn't sell well. Too small an audience for music like that, no matter how good it was.

I think that if she produces a hot album with great songs, she'll do well. It has to be an accessible album that large numbers of people can relate to. It should have some strongly danceable music. And when she performs, she should have some good dance routines. (Which she did on the Melle Juliette video, so it's not something confined to the Mylène era.)

Anyway, my loyalty to this lady that saved my art and my sanity years ago is bottomless, so I'm with her no matter what she does now, but most fans are more fickle than that (and that's just the way the world works, and probably the way it should). She needs to find the way to wallop people in the emotions, because most relate to that more than to cerebral stuff. It's really all in the music and the performances.

:hatsoff: .

I have a feeling her new album will be much less "dark", and that the "dark" stuff to begin with was just playing a part to be consistent with the subject matter and sound of UEdS.

I think at first the style change bothered a lot of people because it was so jarring. She went straight from looking like a pop princess to this:

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Her early looks, the MF-LB days, were Lolita-inspired and meticulously crafted by professionals to make the most of what I think is a universally irresistable quality: the youth and freshness of a teenage girl. It's only to be expected that as she gets older her appeal will change. I think the style we see in her facebook and twitter pictures from mid-2011 onwards is a good balance and suitable to her age. I hope she tries something similar in her future album and doesn't try to project any image other than her natural style. When she's being herself, I think it's easier to enjoy herself, and that will come through in her music and performances. They will be that much more enjoyable for us to listen to and watch that way. :)

As for tattoos, she has said that she loves them and each seems to be very personal for her. She has her reasons and I respect that. Even if I didn't, it doesn't bother me because it's her body, not mine.

Well let's take for instance Lady Gaga. I think she's a very talented artist, but to be perfectly honest, she's not a very good looking woman. So for her video, "Caught in a bad romance", she needed a gimmick and that gimmick was lots of make up, lots of costumes.

The video did tremendously well. Over 400 million views. Now the main reason for it's success was it was a good song, had a catchy beat, and had a great video to go along with it. But if she hadn't resorted to the costumes and the make up, I'm sure it still would have done very well, but may have only had half the views, if that.

Can you imagine how well it would have done if she had the beauty of Alizee? It probably would have had about 2 billion views. It would have been a great hit either way, but the image can add so much to it.

Like I said before, it's the songs themselves that will determine how well Alizee's next album does, but the image can add an awful lot to that. If she becomes the blond tatoo lady, I'm sure I'll still like the music. But I will no longer go to the depths I did before to promote the incredibly beautiful young woman that I knew before, because I no longer believe people will be bowled over with the total beauty of the complete package.

Agreed! And it would be hard to go much darker, anyway. right? :confused:

Scruffy, I totally agree with you about Lady Gaga. We may not particularly like her, but we still find something to admire. I respect how she's become such a success despite rather average looks. I'd almost say she proves Americans have grown beyond the superficiality of the past decades - except that she doesn't. Not quite. Like you say, the image can add so much to it, and at least half Gaga's success is attributable to her image, imho. Same, I think, for Madonna.


Scruff, it would be a sad day indeed for this forum if your dedication were to diminish. Hang on a little longer. I know she'll bowl us all over again sometime soon. :D


Amen to that! :2_thumbs:

If Alizée designed a tattoo for you to put on your body and she would get the same Tattoo would you get it?

I remember there was a discussion here about that sometime ago. I can't remember the name of the thread though. Anyway, YES I would! I don't have any tattoo and I hate tattoos but, I'm going to make an exception. :D But, only if SHE herself put it on me. I don't care how crappy it comes out. I'll have her put it on my left chest - close to my heart! :wub:

This wasn't a question of whether or not you were still an Alizée fan, but rather one of "do you like where she's going?".

Not sure why so many people feel as if it was about determining if what Alizée was doing was right or wrong, with accusations of people thinking that Alizée was somehow obligated to satisfy us and that our opinions about her tattoos somehow reflected how we feel about her as an artist.

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Yes and No. Yes because it's giving us a glimpse of the real her, not just a persona. But, like many others, I liked that (for lack of a better word) "innocent" look she had back then.

But either way it isn't up to me, so I'll support whatever direction she's going. Unless she turns all goth/emo/freak. Then I'm packin' my bags and leaving Lilly Town.

If there's one thing I've learned in my short 19 years of life, it's how you can ask a seemingly simple question in your mind, and other people will interpret it 20 different ways you never even thought about. Not that it's bad, it's just amazing sometimes how we're wired. It's what makes us unique. :)

I feel ya! ......

btw... I DO remember that thread and I was going to post this on it instead but I decided not to because last time it was brought up the thread got out of control and Aaron had to lock it... The thread, that sha'll not be named, has since been unlocked but I will leave it buried.

For some reason the discussion of Alizée and tattoo's is a borderline taboo topic in this forum so we have to be careful in some of these threads. The last thread was regarding allowing Alizée, herself, do the tattoo.. but there was no mention of getting matching tattoos for both you and Alizée!!! and only unique ones that you would both have! that would be cool!

Oh... and if she were to be the one doing the tattoo I would let her tat my willy... I don't care how painful it is.. it would be bitter sweet! lol....

The pictures means she will be doing some dancing. That is beyond speculation. She is not going to post 3 pictures unless she is sending a message. The message is - "I heard you."

Now, as for the music itself, she knows this is really her last shot at it. I believe she has gotten the message that she has to aim this one at the largest audience possible. Therefore, I think she will hold a lot closer to the pop arena, with some very dancable numbers in it. We have heard rumors about this already, and I believe they are true (or at least good guesses). My one hope is that she keeps the album lively - a good portion of faster and catchier tunes. :)

Hehe, nah. I'd get friendship bracelets but never a tattoo. If I ever got a matching tattoo (I don't plan yet on getting any at all) it would only be with the boyfriend, and he hates em. :p

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I'm very excited to see her return to what I believe she does best. She seems to have a natural talent for dancing. It's been said that she even prefers to dance over singing. I hope she has fun with this album!

Nope. Me and needles don't mix.

Dude... :blink:

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And I quote:

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Dude come on. She's to classy for that. :rolleyes:

Amen to that...

I never said I wouldn't... I was playing devil's advocate.

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I'll take the Fozzie Bear, thank you. :D

You're welcome!... be sure to stop by the cotton candy kiosk!!

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I don't even like cotton candy and I'm already there. :D

(Does the girl come with the candy?) :pray:

Most likely no.... but I sure wish I were the candy!

Would you youngsters quit horsing around and get back on topic here? This is serious business here, because, um uhh

Because this is the Internet.


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