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dan 02-29-2012 03:04 PM

Would you like to return to working with Mylène?
 
MOD EDIT: Here is the original post by Brian01:

Alizée said recently that she does wish to work with MF again.

So in order to keep the forum nice and organized, we will use the thread in the news section for any offical updates on the subject, and this thread here, for discussions, speculations, and over all, just how ya feel about this idea!

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Dan's post:

Interviewer: "Souhaites-tu retourner travailler avec Mylène" ("Would you like to return to working with Mylène?")

Alizée: "Oui"

Source: http://www.mylene.net/modules/index.php?r=4&z=3621

Me: :)

Scruffydog777 02-29-2012 03:18 PM

Thanks Dan.
Here's the article using Bingtranslate.

By the way, this was put out by Mylene.net which has a line that says it's "Le site de reference sur Mylene Farmer" which looks like it means the site of reference for Mylene Farmer.


There is a survey on that page where you can vote yes or no.

I think it's kind of obvious that Alizee would like to rekindle her relationship with MF, the big question is how does Mylene Farmer feel about it.


Kind of interesting this line "The title "idealize" (from the album "Psychédélices") was presented by many as a song dedicated to settling scores Mylène what had categorically denied the author of the text Jean Fauque."

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Edcognito 02-29-2012 03:34 PM

Thanks for that - and the translation.

Much appreciated!

Scruffydog777 02-29-2012 03:53 PM

Here's a picture of the Mylene.net home page.

I was reading through some posts about this song that were posted in AF back in 2007,
(http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthre...ng-Id%E9aliser)
in which they discussed the meaning of the song and if it was bashing Mylene. I think the big question is, Mylene Farmer is probably the king, or should I say queen of writing songs that are difficult to interpret, so it would be interesting to know how she interpreted this song.


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BrianO1 02-29-2012 05:07 PM

AJ wishes to work with MF again [topic discussion]
 
Alizée said recently that she does wish to work with MF again.

So in order to keep the forum nice and organized, we will use the thread in the news section for any offical updates on the subject, and this thread here, for discussions, speculations, and over all, just how ya feel about this idea!

ALS 02-29-2012 05:36 PM

I see it as a plus for Alizée's career in the long run. One of my criticisms of her last two albums was that she was relying more on Jeremy and her friends in the local music scene than sitting down and working with the best people in the industry. She is a major fan of Madonna's and Madonna didn't get to the level she's at by using B and C list song writers.

Today we lost Davey Jones of the 60's Rock band the Monkee's. The one plus that made their music so successful was the shows producers realized from the start, that they needed some of the very best song writers writing the music for their TV show.

Azhiri 02-29-2012 05:59 PM

I think that would be a great hypothetical idea, especially if a certain top-notch composer man is added to the equation ;)

Tchaikovsky 02-29-2012 06:06 PM

I really hope this is true. http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...miley_pray.gif If so...




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Euphoria 02-29-2012 06:15 PM

I'd love it, but I'm not quite sure I see it ever happening.

Edit:

Also, when and where did she say that? I haven't really been keeping up with interviews.

Edit:

Nevermind, just saw the other thread.

Euphoria 02-29-2012 06:18 PM

Hmm, well...I just deleted what I wrong before because I only kinda skimmed this thread.

Anyway, I don't really think that song is about Mylene. Mylene has never had an alcohol problem. Isn't that song about Edie Sedgwick?

Scruffydog777 02-29-2012 06:24 PM

The big question is MF willing to work with Alizee and I very much doubt that because quite frankly, she doesn't need Alizee and it appears they haven't been close over the years, so what's in it for Mylene?

It raises the question again of was there bad blood between these 3 (LB too) when they split up?

In another thread that was started today by Dan (not Bigdan), he reported a website called Mylene.net that said that AJ wants to get togehter with Mylene and was taking a poll of how visitors to that site felt.

It also posed the question of whether the song Idealizer was directed at MF and directed in a negative way. That's tough to say. Different people read the lyrics different ways. How did Mylene interpret them?

http://www.mylene.net/


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BrianO1 02-29-2012 06:25 PM

RANDOM SPECULATION, WATCH OUT!!!!

So all of the recent goings ons have reminded of me of some stuff, that I found a bit interesting.

Over the years there has been a lot of speculation that Jeremy was a big part of Lili and MF splitting up. The rumors ranged from him not liking the sexual image MF had Lili use, to Jeremy convincing Lili that she wasn't being paid enough, and MF was holding out on her.


I just found it interesting, that now that it seems Jeremy might be out of the picture, Lili mentions wanting to work with MF again.


But again, that's all just super random speculation :p

SpanishFan 02-29-2012 06:32 PM

I find this very interesting.

Does she need to work with Mylene?
No. I think it is too late for that, they had their time. It would not work. Alizée is not a newcomer nor a teenager anymore, there is no reason for Mylene to "back" another artist that could be direct competence for her.
Artists like her have big egos and we have to remember they would be working in "same level terms", not teacher-pupil like before. I don´t see that happening.

Advice from Mylene, or even a collaboration in a couple of songs would be more plausible and realistic. But even that would surprise me because Mylene's public attitude towards Alizée has been as cold as ice all this time.
I would really like LB writing songs for Alizée again, but since she doesn't even name him, i don't think that is a possibility she is thinking about.

So what does Alizée need?
-Find the right direction: Looks like she took the message on board and her next album will be targeted "for a wider audience". Good.
-A strong and good first single: With the poor record sales of UEDS she needs now more than ever a really good first single. People won't have patience to buy or even listen to the rest of her album if the first single is not good.
-Good decisions: It is quite painful that one of her best songs ever, very commercial, and possibly the one that could attract a lot of non Alizée fans, "Par les paupieres", was not even released as a single back then... I wish a song like that or even better would be the first single of her fifth album.
-A good producer: That is the key, and of course what all musicians want, specially singers like her or Madonna who don't write their own songs. Madonna, Rihanna, Gaga... They are all great performers but at the end of the day is all about the songs and the style, the musical production.
Alizée maybe can not get one of those top producers right now, but with Sony i think she will find one good enough for her and they will put together a good album.
A good producer changed Nelly Furtado's style and career for the best, and sometimes i find some similarities between "Par les paupieres" and some of Furtado's songs, (being of course different musical styles), at least in production and commerciality terms... specially listening to the drums and "keyboards" from 0:38 on

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And finally, and like everybody else, she needs a little bit of luck.
The thing she will have is our support, that is for sure.:)

Scruffydog777 02-29-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221612)
I find this very interesting.

Does she need to work with Mylene?
No. I think it is too late for that, they had their time. It would not work.

I disagree. Alizee could find success with someone else, the question is who. I think this will be her last chance to get it right. Apparently she had a large part of choosing who to work with on the first 2 albums and where has that gotten her? Cancelled concerts in Paris with Psych and her last album being labeled a flop. She has to make this one work and if both MF and LB were involved in this next album, I guarantee it would work ( or you get your money back).

Mylene doesn't have to worry about competition from Alizee. She is in a league of her own. I don't think there is any other female singer in France who comes any where near to accomplishing what Mylene Farmer has.

Probably the only thing that Mylene could possibly get out of this, besides money that she probably doesn't need is the satisfaction that she made Alizee an international star, and quite frankly since then, if it wan't for Mexico and LE, she would be considered a flop in France since their seperation, and now she could put Alizee on top again, though it would have to be with LB's music so it could be kind of a " I told you so. " that she might get some satisfaction out of, but I really doubt she's that way.

As far as random speculation, that's a large part of what goes on in here, because we hear very little about Alizee's private life or decisions affecting her career. The whole AJ MP thread is mostly speculation.

I never really heard the Jeremy didn't like the sexual image MF had Lili use, though I wouldn't be surprised if he felt that way because any boyfreind or husband wouldn't want men drooling over her. What I heard is that she knew many of the songs she sang had a sexual meaning to them, but she didn't realize how sexual they were until Jeremy came along and when she did find out, she to say the least, wasn't happy about it.

Euphoria 02-29-2012 07:05 PM

This is going to sound harsh but, depending on how badly Alizee wants to work with Mylene - I'd say it's just because she wants Mylene to pull her out of this rut she's been in the past few years.

I can assure you that most Mylene fans would not want her working with Alizee again. Let's look at a few comments from that page.

"Alizee has no qualms towards Mylene, even when it is thanks to Mylene that the world knows her today...Alizee is a little pretentious here. Live Mylene!"

"We will never see Alizée work with Mylene ... and we would never have heard of Alizee without Mylène ..."

"It does not surprise me that she would work again with Mylène. Since she has left, her sales did not take off!"

Thats just a couple, they're pretty bad.

SpanishFan 02-29-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777 (Post 221613)
I disagree. Alizee could find success with someone else, the question is who. I think this will be her last chance to get it right. Apparently she had a large part of choosing who to work with on the first 2 albums and where has that gotten her? Cancelled concerts in Paris with Psych and her last album being labeled a flop. She has to make this one work and if both MF and LB were involved in this next album, I guarantee it would work ( or you get your money back).


Yes, i am sure it would work. Musically.
What i meant not working is their relationship. Of course we all get excited thinking about the possibility of them working together again, but it is not as easy as it sounds. There are so many things... They would need to change eveything... image, style, music...
Alizée singing between teddy bears about gourmandises, bubbles, etc is gone forever. Same as the lolita approach.

We are in 2012 and what she needs is a good album with good songs. I agree she would be succesful teaming up with them again, but i think is impossible right now.
For starters, and if i am not mistaken, Mylene works with Polydor records. I don't see her working with Alizée and Sony...
I like Alizée talking good things about Mylene, that shows me that she is grateful and she does not forget about the people that made her successful.

I know my opinion is not common shared by many people, and i understand.
I am glad she is on the press, and looks like people notice her again, which can only be good. But talks about working with Mylene, if that option is imposible, put even more pressure and expectations in her next album.
Publicity and sense of anticipation, good. Too many expectations, bad;)

Scruffydog777 02-29-2012 07:26 PM

The only other reason I could think Mylene might be willing to work with Alizee again is that she might think, "If it wasn't for me, Alizee would have led a nice normal, probably happy life, but I made her a star, something that very probably nobody else could have done to the degree that I did. Alizee rebelled against me, something any young girl might do once she starts turning into a woman, and I can understand her reasons, so I can't fault her for that, but Alizee has been slowly sinking since then and she wouldn't be in that predicament if I hadn't taken her away from that nice normal life she would have had."

The only question is, how did she rebel?

One good thing SpanishFan pointed out is the two working for different companies. Even if they want to work together, their contracts might make it rather difficult, but not impossible.

SpanishFan 02-29-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777 (Post 221613)
Mylene doesn't have to worry about competition from Alizee. She is in a league of her own. I don't think there is any other female singer in France who comes any where near to accomplishing what Mylene Farmer has.

Well you are absolutely right on that.
And that is my point, Mylene created her own musical universe, and she is very successful in it. She is not like the rest.
With Alizée, they created another "universe". This "teenager-lolita" universe in which Alizée found fame and success.
That's why i find another Alizée-Mylene project very difficult to happen . Because Mylene is that different from the rest. It is not a typical artist to collaborate with.

Mylene wanting to help Alizée's career... Only if we had some kind words from her towards Alizée in all these years. It is not the case, and apparently she did not talk with her even in private. (No response to Alizée sending her a copy of her new album)

There is however the craziest of possibilities, Mylene going against all odds and even her own fans and working with Alizée again. But still and sadly, it is one in a million chance.

Un-rêve 02-29-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221619)
There are so many things... They would need to change eveything... image, style, music...
Alizée singing between teddy bears about gourmandises, bubbles, etc is gone forever. Same as the lolita approach.

Yeah MF cashed in big time off Alizée and the Lolita image.. it was big buissiness back then with Brittany Spears and all but now it's everyone for themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221619)
I like Alizée talking good things about Mylene, that shows me that she is grateful and she does not forget about the people that made her successful.

Agreed.. she's never had a bad word to say about MF, LB or anyone for that matter.. lets hope everything works out well for her no matter what.

JoeNY 02-29-2012 08:51 PM

Another article about her welcoming working with Mylene again. It's all one-sided at this point.

http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Alizee/news-78362.html

[I]Alizée would rework with Mylène Farmer

Alizee looks forward to follow up her fifth album, "A Child of the Century". On her Twitter, she shows her fans that she connects the current appointment with her record company, Sony. But for now, she lends her voice to an album of duets Alain Chamfort, and confessed during an interview, want to work again with Mylène Farmer ...

After being announced in preparation for a fifth album, Alizée is promoting its collaboration with Alain Chamfort on the track "Clara wants the moon". Indeed, the singer decided to invite several female artists like Jennifer or Camelia Jordana for an album of duets entitled "They and him." When she was interviewed by our colleagues OffTV (Universal Music), the singer reportedly told of wanting new floor alongside the debut of his mentor: Mylène Farmer. Indeed, the question: "do you want to return to work with Mylène? "Asked a visitor, the singer replied," Yes! ". A brief but clear announcement on when the next interview should focus to try to learn more.

Alizée therefore be tempted to surround herself with people who reach the summit of its glory, with the album "Delights" which is extracted the title "The trade" (No. 1 Top Singles), not counting of course the hit "Moi ... Lolita" released in 2000. An association that might be beneficial after the commercial failure of her latest album "A Child of the Century". Alizée had told our colleagues AuFeminin.com site about the end of the collaboration with Mylène Farmer: "I needed and wanted especially to see something else. To meet people, simply, to share things with others, to learn ... I learned a certain way of working and I needed to see what was happening elsewhere." [/I]

ptjmwa 02-29-2012 10:40 PM

Oui, parce que sa musique was meilleur back then! I need to learn more french..haha.

Fall 02-29-2012 10:47 PM

I'm not gonna try to guess whether it will happen or not, but I think in a way, I would like her to work with MF again, and hopefully LB as well, but also it might be a bad thing.

First why I think it might be bad thing. Nothing original, others have said it before. Like Euphoria said, it might seem like an attempt to get pulled out of the low record sales thing. And well I hope ML's fans don't protest about this, though it looks like they're not happy about the idea.

But it might be also a good thing, at least for us Zée fans, because it could provide us with yet another classic, a song (or maybe even songs!) we all love and will post youtube videos, remixes, and many comments about. And well maybe it would turn out alright and do well both in France and abroad :)

pepelepew 02-29-2012 11:47 PM

PURE SPECULATION, I believe Alizee has had as many conversations with Mylene since the split that she wanted. I think they have already discussed the pros and cons of working together again. I also think that Alizee's answer of yes to working with Mylene is a fishing expedition to see the mood of all fans considered. Of course she is not going to disclose any of this in public. We didn't and still don't know for sure her and Jeremy are split or if they are, for how long. We have never heard any disclosures about Jeremy since collaboration on Psyche.
Alizee sent a copy of Psyche to Mylene,but no response. That was 4 yrs. ago. My point is that Alizee has never, will never disclose anything of consequence about her personal life. Alizee shares on a need to know basis. Her fans and her detractors just don't need to know lol.
If the new album is half finished, either it is too late for Mf/LB to collaborate or they are already on board. I also think Sony is telling Alizee to jump and she is asking "how high"? They probably have a whole team of MF/LB's working on this project.

Azhiri 03-01-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221622)
Mylene wanting to help Alizée's career... Only if we had some kind words from her towards Alizée in all these years. It is not the case, and apparently she did not talk with her even in private. (No response to Alizée sending her a copy of her new album)

That's a good point to consider.

It's been said of Mylene by family members that while she's very close to her friends, when a connection is severed, she tends to sever it completely and stop speaking with the person altogether. So maybe it's not so much a matter of personal resentment as it is of Mylene just being herself.

wildfire 03-01-2012 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221612)
sometimes i find some similarities between "Par les paupieres" and some of Furtado's songs, (being of course different musical styles), at least in production and commerciality terms... specially listening to the drums and "keyboards" from 0:38 on






And finally, and like everybody else, she needs a little bit of luck.
The thing she will have is our support, that is for sure.:)


Uh, ecuuuuuuse me.. permisso, par-don... excusimuah!!!! I feel compelled.. COMPELLED to refresh your noggin on the utter magic, utter beauty, utter trancendence-ing (<--- yeah I know not quite a word) that is Par les Paupieres... that to compare its timeless magic to some pop hip hop rap crap de vogue is like wiping one's bum with a Van Gogh, or a Rembrandt!!!! :)))


Just to .... recalibrate... this lapse of sanity of yours, I'm posting the russian concert of her song just so that you can see it in its raw, natural state !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfeRVQ_fJSo

Now I hope you learned your lesson, You son of a mother! :))

pepelepew 03-01-2012 11:54 AM

Yea Wildfire,the absolute best song from Psych equalling any of her previous songs. As others have stated, Alizee's team missed an opportunity to enter the French music charts when they didn't introduce PLP as a single. I'm not sure it still couldn't be a hit if they got air play today. It is timeless and beautiful. Though her voice had some synthonization, it is classic Alizee.:dance:

Azhiri 03-01-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pepelepew (Post 221641)
Yea Wildfire,the absolute best song from Psych equalling any of her previous songs. As others have stated, Alizee's team missed an opportunity to enter the French music charts when they didn't introduce PLP as a single. I'm not sure it still couldn't be a hit if they got air play today. It is timeless and beautiful. Though her voice had some synthonization, it is classic Alizee.:dance:

Agreed 100%. I will always love that song. :wub:

I always thought it sounded like it belonged on Mes Courants Electriques. Something about it has an LB-production feel to me.

pepelepew 03-01-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azhiri (Post 221644)
Agreed 100%. I will always love that song. :wub:

I always thought it sounded like it belonged on Mes Courants Electriques. Something about it has an LB-production feel to me.

Exactly right Azhiri. Actually Psych was a pretty good album in it's entirety. It is unfortunate that it probably wasn't marketed near aggressive enough to get any descent air play. Unfortunately it takes some real heavy weights to get that accomplished. This time Sony will have a lot more skin in the game and my hope is that they can get it done provided it turns out to be a good product that appeals to a wide range of people. Just marketing 101.:)

Scruffydog777 03-01-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepelepew (Post 221641)
Yea Wildfire,the absolute best song from Psych equalling any of her previous songs. As others have stated, Alizee's team missed an opportunity to enter the French music charts when they didn't introduce PLP as a single. I'm not sure it still couldn't be a hit if they got air play today. It is timeless and beautiful. Though her voice had some synthonization, it is classic Alizee.:dance:

By far PLP was the most beautiful song of Psych, but that fact seemed to be lost on her and whoever was working with her and you have to wonder why. Probably just a case like back when they had vinyl records and the A side would be the one they'd be pushing, but the B side became a hit, but I think with this song, it should have been obvious.

Un-rêve 03-01-2012 06:56 PM

Yeah Par Les Paupieres is Pure Alizée Magic!

Well fingers crossed her next album will have some more of that magic!

lefty12357 03-01-2012 07:34 PM

I'm with you guys, PLP is pure Alizée magic! I liked Psych when it first came out and I have to say I like it even more now.

pepelepew 03-01-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777 (Post 221657)
By far PLP was the most beautiful song of Psych, but that fact seemed to be lost on her and whoever was working with her and you have to wonder why. Probably just a case like back when they had vinyl records and the A side would be the one they'd be pushing, but the B side became a hit, but I think with this song, it should have been obvious.

Yea it should have been the first single, they didn't know what they were doing and probably shell shocked when it was received so poorly. By the time they figured it out, if in fact they ever did, it was too late to save it. I mean it never had any momentum to build on. Moe. Larry, and Curly promotions Inc. don't get it done no matter how good the music after a 4 yr. hiatus. As frustrating as it is to me, I still have to pause and realize that they financed the whole thing with little or no backing. I just think they were ignorant to what the whole production was going to cost to make it happen. I can't even beat up on Jeremy, though he is an easy target. They were both young, dumb and full of you know what lol! Alizee would have been in trouble no matter what by making a decision to leave Mf/LB. I have to accept what she reported as the reason and I still respect her for it. If in fact Jeremy was the one, then the gloves are off him being young at the time or not. Besides I'm still waiting for Alizee to make a statement like," I hate you paparazzi and I just wanted to teach you all a lesson for all your speculations and inuendo's." "Jeremy and I are still madly in love and will be until eternity" "You all can just kiss my shapely a$$" " That also goes for my so called fans that were making sh#@ up about me";)

SpanishFan 03-02-2012 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildfire (Post 221638)
...that to compare its timeless magic to some pop hip hop rap crap de vogue is like wiping one's bum with a Van Gogh, or a Rembrandt!!!!

Now I hope you learned your lesson, You son of a mother! :))

:confused:

I think you took that comparison from my post totally out of context.
I was talking about both songs to demonstrate two things: The importance of a good producer and the importance of taking the right decisions.

Since you were shocked by the comparison, let me explain further.
In my opinion, they are both young, talented and attractive women.
Nelly furtado: 33 years old, born in Canada, portuguese parents.
Alizée: 27 years old, French, born in Corsica.

Nelly: "At age four, she began performing and singing in Portuguese. She began playing musical instruments at the age of nine and as a teenager, she performed in a Portuguese marching band. Furtado has acknowledged her family as the source of her strong work ethic; she spent eight summers working as a chambermaid with her mother, along with her brother and sister, who was a housekeeper in Victoria. She has stated that coming from a working class background has shaped her identity in a positive way."

Young performer in a non english language and with strong family values... Sounds familiar?

Nelly:"With the collaboration of producer Eaton and West, her debut album, Whoa, Nelly! was released in October 2000.The album was an international success, supportted by her first single hit "I´m like a bird"
Alizée: "Alizée debuted in 2000 with the album Gourmandises. It went on to become a hit both in Europe and outside. The album reached top five in charts in France, Italy, Greece, Germany, Mexico, and others. Alizée made her debut with the single "Moi... Lolita", her most successful to date. It enjoyed success throughout most of Europe and parts of East Asia, reaching number one in several countries"

Nelly:: "Furtado's second album, Folklore, was released in November 2003. The final track on the album, "Childhood Dreams", was dedicated to her daughter, Nevis. The album was not as successful as her debut, partly due to the album's less "poppy" sound"
Alizée:: In 2003, Alizée returned with her second album Mes Courants Électriques (My Electric Currents). While it had some success in and outside France, this second album was not as well-received as her first one.

Nelly: "On September 20, 2003, in Toronto, Furtado gave birth to a daughter, Nevis Chetan Furtado, whose father is Jasper Gahunia. Furtado and Gahunia, who had been good friends for several years, remained together for four years until their breakup in 2005. Furtado told Blender magazine that they continue to be good friends and jointly share responsibility of raising Nevis."
Alizée: We know.

Nelly:"In 2006, Furtado took part in an AIDS awareness concert in South Africa, she also hosted a program about AIDS on MTV.
Furtado announced during Free the Children's WeDay Toronto, that she was giving $1,000,000 to Free the Children's effort to build girls' schools in the Maasai region of Kenya
"
Alizée: We know.

So until now there are some similarities. It is in their third album where the differences appear, and i blame it precisely in wrong production and wrong decisions.

Nelly: "In summer 2006, she released her third studio album, Loose. It is her biggest success to date worldwide"


I am an Alizée fan, and in a much minor scale, a Furtado fan. I respect her talent and her career, but what Alizée makes me feel no other artist can.
It is just that whenever i watch Nelly i always think that Alizée could do it just like her. But she did not take the right decisionds at the right time.
Having said that, Alizée probably would not change more fame and success back at the time for the fact of having Annily. She wiil never tell, so i do not think too much about that anymore.




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Originally Posted by wildfire (Post 221638)
Just to .... recalibrate... this lapse of sanity of yours, I'm posting the russian concert of her song just so that you can see it in its raw, natural state !


It is good to watch her singing in Russia, my point is that Alizée and PLP were good enough to watch her on Letterman...




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Scruffydog777 03-02-2012 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pepelepew (Post 221687)
Yea it should have been the first single, they didn't know what they were doing and probably shell shocked when it was received so poorly. By the time they figured it out, if in fact they ever did, it was too late to save it. I mean it never had any momentum to build on. Moe. Larry, and Curly promotions Inc. don't get it done no matter how good the music after a 4 yr. hiatus. As frustrating as it is to me, I still have to pause and realize that they financed the whole thing with little or no backing. I just think they were ignorant to what the whole production was going to cost to make it happen. .......................

You have to wonder where Alizee is going to get the financial backing for this next album. The album willl probably need plenty of promotion and a couple of good music videos to go along with it. That wont be cheap. At this point, you have to assume that Jeremy wont be helping her. But after her meetings with Sony and Jive, it looks like it will definitely happen because I don't think they would be a part of this if they had any doubts about her being able to finance it. So I'd have to think the money is in place for this next album.

Euphoria 03-02-2012 06:05 PM

The past 4 or 5 years, Alizee's had NO ONE that really knows what they're doing and they're just giving her terrible advice. I don't care what she wanted to do, you don't let someone walk off a cliff like that. I was so entirely disappointed by UEDS because the more you fail, the less people will want to work with you. Do you guys really want her to lose all contacts and possible investors because she can't sell any albums? You're supposed to save that kind of experimenting when your career is already set and you have the money to burn. The reason Mylene's experimenting was always so successful is because she maintained a level of edginess. LB is a great writer, but mixed with Mylene's lyrics and image, it's been the perfect mix.

Right now, people want debauchery. This type of thing happens when there's an economic downturn. The same thing happened during the Great Depression - they wanted sex, alcohol, and drugs because it's a way to escape. Anyway, my whole point with this is she needs to find a way to put her own spin on what is popular right now. People don't want the wholesome mom wearing sneakers and tit curtains (excuse that term but its the only way I can think to describe it). She can totally be sexy and mysterious without overdoing it.

What I would really love to see the most is Alizee writing her own lyrics. People love that, they want to take a ride in Alizee's shoes, feel a little bit of what she's felt. Why do you think people love Mylene's lyrics so much? Because they can connect with her. Mylene is one of the most mysterious artists out there, but through her music, you really get a feel of who she is as a person. That's why I pay a lot of attention to Alizee's lyrics. While Mylene might have created her image, Alizee still confided in her and wrote a lot about her experiences. I'd really like to see that again because I don't give a crap about concept albums or Edie Sedgwick.

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Oops, I meant to post that in the working with MF thread, can move it if you want.

lefty12357 03-02-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 221747)
The past 4 or 5 years, Alizee's had NO ONE that really knows what they're doing and they're just giving her terrible advice. I don't care what she wanted to do, you don't let someone walk off a cliff like that. I was so entirely disappointed by UEDS because the more you fail, the less people will want to work with you. Do you guys really want her to lose all contacts and possible investors because she can't sell any albums? You're supposed to save that kind of experimenting when your career is already set and you have the money to burn. The reason Mylene's experimenting was always so successful is because she maintained a level of edginess. LB is a great writer, but mixed with Mylene's lyrics and image, it's been the perfect mix.

Right now, people want debauchery. This type of thing happens when there's an economic downturn. The same thing happened during the Great Depression - they wanted sex, alcohol, and drugs because it's a way to escape. Anyway, my whole point with this is she needs to find a way to put her own spin on what is popular right now. People don't want the wholesome mom wearing sneakers and tit curtains (excuse that term but its the only way I can think to describe it). She can totally be sexy and mysterious without overdoing it.

What I would really love to see the most is Alizee writing her own lyrics. People love that, they want to take a ride in Alizee's shoes, feel a little bit of what she's felt. Why do you think people love Mylene's lyrics so much? Because they can connect with her. Mylene is one of the most mysterious artists out there, but through her music, you really get a feel of who she is as a person. That's why I pay a lot of attention to Alizee's lyrics. While Mylene might have created her image, Alizee still confided in her and wrote a lot about her experiences. I'd really like to see that again because I don't give a crap about concept albums or Edie Sedgwick.

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Oops, I meant to post that in the working with MF thread, can move it if you want.

I too, would like to see Alizée write some lyrics. I think she may be able to do it if she would just be willing to open that part of her heart up. I've even hoped she would learn a simple piano or guitar part for even just one song and perform it on stage with a backing band. Anything to involve her more in the process and show another dimension.

As far as concept albums go, some of my favorite albums are concept albums. But having said that, I believe you are right that being in the genre Alizée is, and the point at which she is in her career, concept albums are not necessarily the right choice for her.

BrianO1 03-02-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty12357 (Post 221757)
I too, would like to see Alizée write some lyrics. I think she may be able to do it if she would just be willing to open that part of her heart up.

That's the only problem. Lili is so private, I've always felt that was one of the main reasons she DOESN'T write her own lyrics.

She has ALWAYS been quick to point out that she is "playing a role" with her music. She said that through all 4 albums, She was simply the narrator of the stories written by the musicians she works with.

With people like MF, and I'm sure the other artists she's worked with, some of the ideas are based off of Lili, her views, and her life. But over all, she is simple telling another authors story. And I think that's the way she likes it.

To write her own lyrics, would mean (intentionally or not) opening up parts of her life that she normally doesn't enjoy making public. So I think That may be why she has shyed away from it for so long.



I do agree I think it would be a good move though. You look at artists today like Adel, who sings a lot about heartbreak, and bad relationships. That resonates with people. People can relate to that. We have all had heartbreak sometime in our lives, so we can all see part of ourself in that music. Lady Gaga sings a lot about acceptance of oneself, and of others who may be different. Again, we can all relate to at some point, being different, and wishing people would be more accepting.

A good beat and a pretty voice, can only take a song so far. If people can't relate to the music, then the song will only be poplular until the next new beat comes out.

Songs people can relat to, last for decades.


I'm not saying Lili should write a song about the possible divorce she may have gone through, but writing a more personal song, something close to her heart, something that is part of her, I think will resonate with people better. And people will be able to relate to it better. Better then Andy Worehol thinking you are pretty would resonate at least.


And I think that would be a huge step in making this next album a success.

pepelepew 03-03-2012 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Scruffydog777 (Post 221703)
You have to wonder where Alizee is going to get the financial backing for this next album. The album willl probably need plenty of promotion and a couple of good music videos to go along with it. That wont be cheap. At this point, you have to assume that Jeremy wont be helping her. But after her meetings with Sony and Jive, it looks like it will definitely happen because I don't think they would be a part of this if they had any doubts about her being able to finance it. So I'd have to think the money is in place for this next album.

Scruffy remember that Wisteria song was the producers of her last two albums. Alizee was able to have artistic control exclusively by producing her own album. I presume that Sony will not only be the label, but will produce, market and dictate total control of content, personna,wardrobe etc. She will have little if any say this time. Obviously Sony see's an opportunity to exploit Alizee's talents or they would not keep her on their label. My cocern is that they are going to require her to go in the direction that she rejected with Mylene and if she wants to have a shot at relevancy in pop music,she may be desperate enough to agree to project an image that compromises her sense of decency and artistic integrity. I hope she walks away if they try to exploit her. The music industry have broken many music artists that came in with moral clarity and ended up like Britney Spears for example. I believe Britney was as clean cut as Alizee before the music industry got their hands on her and we all know how that movie has ended. Yea she is famous, but at what cost. I am fearful that no one has her back and Sony has her just where they want her. :confused:

wildfire 03-03-2012 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty12357 (Post 221672)
I'm with you guys, PLP is pure Alizée magic! I liked Psych when it first came out and I have to say I like it even more now.

Not only do I agree, I concur. Not only do I concur, I accede. Not only do I accede, I acknowledge. Not only do I acknowledge, I acquiesce....

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Originally Posted by pepelepew (Post 221687)
"You all can just kiss my shapely a$$" ;)


Oh Pepel, you with the riddles... OK, let me see i I can guess this one... Hmmmm..... Shapely Arm? Shapely Arab? Shapely Armadillo? Shapely AWACS? Shapely Army? Shapely Ammo? Shapely Anaconda? Shapely Armor.... Oh I give up!!! :)))

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Originally Posted by SpanishFan (Post 221696)
:confused:

I think you took that comparison from my post totally out of context.


..I think I just needed the smallest push as an excuse to rant on Alizee!! :)) I was just kidding SpanishFan, I didn;t mean anything by it! :bye: Perdon si no intendiste me chisme que you estoy loco por Alizee!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by Scruffydog777 (Post 221703)
You have to wonder where Alizee is going to get the financial backing for this next album.

Simple.... She gets HALF of Jeremy's stuff now!!!! :)) ZING! :yikes: Ker-Pow! OUCH!!! hehehe.... :blink: um... too soon you think? :runaway:

Bigdan 03-03-2012 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 221747)
The past 4 or 5 years, Alizee's had NO ONE that really knows what they're doing and they're just giving her terrible advice....

People don't want the wholesome mom wearing sneakers and tit curtains (excuse that term but its the only way I can think to describe it). She can totally be sexy and mysterious without overdoing it.

What I would really love to see the most is Alizee writing her own lyrics. People love that, they want to take a ride in Alizee's shoes, feel a little bit of what she's felt. ...

I'd really like to see that again because I don't give a crap about concept albums or Edie Sedgwick.

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