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Old 06-18-2007, 12:52 AM
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Yes, I also found the full-on X-rated analysis a little over the top (i.e., not parsimonious in the sense of Occam's razor), e.g., the stuff about the pubic hair and female ejaculation seemed sort of unnecessary. But overall the general thrust (no pun intended) seemed reasonable. I also recall someone talking about the crocuses (and how they were some reference to Mylene) somewhere else (e.g. mf-international?), but I just can't remember what it was all about anymore.

I've often wondered about what contexts and mechanisms need to be in place for a listener to grasp a double entendre or innuendo properly.
When I heard 50 Cent's "Candy Shop" (I'm embarrassed to say in the romantic dinner scene in "Date Movie"), where he says "I'll take you to the candy shop/I'll let you lick the lollipop", I got to thinking about why this sounds filthy, and what kind of frame of mind I have to put myself in in order to understand why it sounds filthy. I mean, he's not using any dirty words. It seems like he's not really even using any words that really have a commonly-understood double meaning (except perhaps "lick", which is still used literally but the subtext is that something sexual is being licked...but maybe my slang knowledge is out-of-date and "lollipop" has a known history before this song?). So, then, why is it clear that he's talking about...well, "gourmandises"? Somehow he (and the listener) have to construct the sexual metaphor, and then the meanings of the individual terms fall into place. Does this mean that we have to "be receptive" to the metaphor before it reveals itself to us, not just at the level of knowing double entendre word meanings, but at some sort of more global level?

BTW, Deepwaters, along those lines, in responding to your comment in the Nabokov thread about how the Gourmandises video makes you feel, I guess the appropriate response along these lines would be: hey, they're just having a pleasant dessert picnic on an extra-hot day (which means they have to be, um, lightly dressed), and playing a nice game of, um...tag (yeah, that's it, tag) and so all the rest of it is, of course, your active imagination filling in the gaps.

I vaguely recall some other thread (maybe on AF?) analyzing the hand gestures in JEAM at some length and concluding that the relevant gestures (think where she's kind of flapping her hands back and forth at hip level) are pretty standard flamenco moves. (That thread had animated GIFs and the whole works.) Are we talking about the same gesture here? Thanks!
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