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France's music market is tough for French singers.
This article is from about a year ago. It was posted in FB by a gentleman I met in Europe. It speaks of how Shy'm cancelled shows from her previous tour to work on her next album and you have to assume that tour wasn't doing well. Then her new album wasn't doing well either.
I've heard it's tough for French female singers in the French market. Most young people look for the music of International artists like Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry to name a few. On one of my trips to Paris, I had asked a young man who his favorite singers were and rattled off several names, not one of them French. Not enough for a scientific study, but like I said, I've heard on a few occasions it's tough for French singers because they are competing against the top artists in the world. Attachment 2483 Last edited by Scruffydog777; 12-05-2019 at 10:11 AM.. |
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They seem to rise fast and fall hard, don't they? I remember in LE 2012 and 2013, the first time the audience sees Shy'm come out, they are cheering. She was still the darling back then. It's not like French pop music is inferior in quality of music or talent. In fact, I find it superior in some ways. We do now live in a hip-hop world, and that is one genre French singers don't have much impact on.
It is by observation that I found that male singers have greater longevity at the top once they achieve popularity in France. Patrick Bruel, Christophe Mae and Pascal Obispo are good examples. They consistently put out number 1 albums over a long period of time. Last edited by CleverCowboy; 01-29-2019 at 01:53 PM.. |
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Many years ago, when I was a teenager, I had a friend who was from France and working as an au pair in England. She gave me several 45 rpm records (anyone remember those?) of pop songs from French singers--men and women. But in general, she preferred American (and sometimes British) pop music. I don't know if that was typical of young French people then, or if it is typical now. And I don't know if it was because of the language, or because the English speaking singers were just marketed better.
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Where is the French Beatles? Where is the French Rolling Stones? Where is the French Moody Blues? Where is the French Led Zeppelin? Where is the French Supertramp? The list goes on and on... Has there ever been a world-class French rock band??? Can you name a single one??? Just one??? Aside from Boudennat, French songwriters aren't anywhere near as good as British songwriters. Do you see what I mean? Edit: Quote:
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Popular music over the last decade or so, save a few songs here and there, has been pretty awful in my opinion. Maybe if I was 21 I would feel different because it would be the music I grew up with. But the bands you list, those were the ones I grew up with, and I can add dozens more to that list. Those days were incredible for rock, and I was spoiled. I have spent some time listening to the songs of French artists, mainly the ones I get exposed to from Les Enfoires. I watch their videos on YouTube, and it is like taking a breath of fresh air. Plus, I don't have to deal with the twerking. Edit: He played Houston in 1986 and I was living there at the time. The downtown glass skyscrapers were his backdrop. It was quite spectacular. Last edited by CleverCowboy; 01-30-2019 at 09:14 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doubleposts |
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Lucky! I'd love to have been there. He came to Greece in 2010 but I was doing military training so I couldn't go (In Greece all males have to do that for almost a year).
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In your opinion, when do you think music "went bad"??? For myself, I'd say around 2003. For me, there was some really good music in the late 90's to early 00's. I think 9-11 was a sort of cultural turning point, or something; the country hasn't been the same since. I don't think 9-11 "caused" the decline--- the problems have been festering for decades. Let me give an example: In 2000, Madonna did a version of "American Pie". The video is on youtube--- and someone commented about how the video reminded them of pre-9-11 America, and how much they missed pre-9-11 America. Quote:
Still, I have the impression that the English language is better for writing songs than French--- and that is what explains the stark difference between England and France in terms of music. For instance, I've heard people describe French as a monotone--- in contrast, I've heard one French speaker describe English as sounding "flowy." Perhaps English is easier to "melodize" than French due to this. And then there is the huge vocabulary of English--- which gives English more flexibility in terms of rhyming, as well as allowing more nuances of meaning. And on top of this, (I believe) English has more flexibility in terms of grammar than French. Etcetera. (I need to find an expert in linguistics and ask them if they know anything about all this.) Edit: Once again, Alizee should become an actress. (If her tattoos are an issue, they can be removed with CGI. About 10 years ago, one of Mark Wahlberg's tattoos was removed for a particular scene. With a.i., its going easier and easier to remove an actor's tattoos, literally at the push of a button.) Last edited by Mr Coucou; 01-30-2019 at 11:37 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doubleposts |
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I don't think that French is more difficult than English to rhyme, though. In a very non-expert way I have written a lot of poetry over the years, and though English is very satisfying to write--because of the vocabulary--the few times I attempted to write in French I found rhyming to be the least of my problems. Grammar was the main one. And, of course, the fact that I am not fluent in the language! One thing, though, is that there is a great deal of classic literature written in French--poetry as well as prose. So, I am not sure it is the French language itself that is the problem as much as the fact that English is simply a much more widespread and universal language. And then, of course (though I don't want to get political here) there is the issue of the basics of marketplace and production. English-speaking, non-socialist countries have historically enjoyed greater success with their marketing, production and distribution efforts for all kinds of products than smaller countries or countries with more restrictive laws regarding free enterprise. And I believe that would include music and films. |
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In the 1960's, the British produced a very large amount of rock music, whereas the French produced hardly any at all. Are you blaming socialism for this??? Are you saying that the French were held back by socialism??? Is that what you're saying??? |
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So the trend for music "going bad" has gone on for quite some time. Here is a very good video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI Last edited by CleverCowboy; 01-31-2019 at 02:20 PM.. |
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