Inked Magazine- December 27

[lefty12357]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

Do you honestly think Sony would have a problem with when she tweets a picture that it would include a picture of her new album? How long are people here going to make up exscuses for her?

Yes, Sony would have a big problem with artists releasing unauthorized stuff. We know that leaks can sometimes be damaging. The last thing you want is to have the artist being the leak.

I'm not making excuses for her. I simply think if you are going to make the case that she doesn't care, you should present other evidence. I just want people to understand that the record companies routinely exercise complete control over their intellectual property and artists are legally bound to respect that. For whatever reason, Sony doesn't seem ready or willing to put the album promo in high gear yet.

Personally, I think Alizée cares because she is a proud person and she cares about making a living. However, I'm not convinced that singing is really her passion. I think she likes being in the entertainment industry, but she doesn't want a huge commitment of time and effort. For now, the career she has is a good fit for the life she wants to live. It really doesn't require her to work that much.

[Scruffydog777]

Am I not mistaken in saying the cover for the cd has already been posted? In fact using the same picture that graces the home page of this forum? I can't believe that Sony would have a problem with her holding up this cover when she tweets pictures to her fans. It's called promotion. In fact, that's why Sony is sending her all over France; to promote her.

I think she misses working with MF and LB; mainly because all she had to do was show up. They told her what to wear, what to sing, what dance to do. She would have much rathered done it her way, but she tried it and she flopped and trying to make a successful album has become such a chore for her, that she no longer enjoys it. She has grown tired of the chase. It's not fun for her anymore.

We've discussed in here that this album could be her last album if it doesn't succeed. Well I think it will be her last even if it does succeed. She doesn't enjoy the process anymore. If this album is a hit, she will only continue if she needs the money, or if she finds a group of artists that are almost as good a fit for her as MF and LB were, and good songs will again appear to her to grow on trees the way they did in her early years.

As far as evidence she doesn't care, all you have to do is look at these promotional appearences. These events are to promote "her". She should be happier than a witch in a broom factory that Sony is putting so much effort into promoting her. She should look at these events as golden opportunities to promote her and the album, but she shows up looking like she reluctantly took time out of her busy schedule to go there.

At the RMf studio, all her peers dressed casual, but they have nothing to prove. There is nothing on the line for them where as her career is at stake, yet she showed up looking like she just didn't care.

[Karin]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

Am I not mistaken in saying the cover for the cd has already been posted? In fact using the same picture that graces the home page of this forum? I can't believe that Sony would have a problem with her holding up this cover when she tweets pictures to her fans. It's called promotion. In fact, that's why Sony is sending her all over France; to promote her.

I think she misses working with MF and LB; mainly because all she had to do was show up. They told her what to wear, what to sing, what dance to do. She would have much rathered done it her way, but she tried it and she flopped and trying to make a successful album has become such a chore for her, that she no longer enjoys it. She has grown tired of the chase. It's not fun for her anymore.

We've discussed in here that this album could be her last album if it doesn't succeed. Well I think it will be her last even if it does succeed. She doesn't enjoy the process anymore. If this album is a hit, she will only continue if she needs the money, or if she finds a group of artists that are almost as good a fit for her as MF and LB were, and good songs will again appear to her to grow on trees the way they did in her early years.

As far as evidence she doesn't care, all you have to do is look at these promotional appearences. These events are to promote "her". She should be happier than a witch in a broom factory that Sony is putting so much effort into promoting her. She should look at these events as golden opportunities to promote her and the album, but she shows up looking like she reluctantly took time out of her busy schedule to go there.

At the RMf studio, all her peers dressed casual, but they have nothing to prove. There is nothing on the line for them where as her career is at stake, yet she showed up looking like she just didn't care.

Do you think by MF/LB she was happier? look on the most perfomances, most of ML... look to her face... in most time you could see there she was bored to perform again and again Moi Lolita, she did it just cause she must do it. I think only things which enjoyed were the many trips to countries like Japan and Korea and of course En Concert. Only in concert I had the feeling I saw the real Alizee, with fully energy, with passion to enjoy the time with fans. But in other perfomances she was just like wood doll. Or look to really only live perfomance of ML in Italy, did you saw she enjoyed it much? well... in the begginning I find she would be like better away.

You should go to look into the mirror... one time you are telling how is Sony making the great job with album and promoting her with DJ sets, and on another day you are saying 100% opposite things. And really dont put every problem of Alizée, but on Sony too.... Like Lefty said, look how they react when was leaked first video, 100% blocking everywhere, the same was by Psyche with Fifty-Sixty when it was leaked. Do you think Alizée wouldnt like to share with us if she could? Sony has the 100% control on everything from music to so little thing like cover of album.
Look to to MF era... Alizee-Italia asked photographers of single covers if they could get original photos. Answer? "We have not the rights for photos, only label" .
So Sony too have the fully control, they can and they have fully right to tell Alizee what she can and cant post.

Why you all here werent so active to crizing her by UEDS? there she and they made much more then by this project?

If most of you dont like what she is doing, you should stop hear and watch her by the end with MF like the others "fans", who were really Mylene fans and not Alizees

[Jenny_HRO87]

Originally Posted by lefty12357

Yes, Sony would have a big problem with artists releasing unauthorized stuff. We know that leaks can sometimes be damaging. The last thing you want is to have the artist being the leak.

I'm not making excuses for her. I simply think if you are going to make the case that she doesn't care, you should present other evidence. I just want people to understand that the record companies routinely exercise complete control over their intellectual property and artists are legally bound to respect that. For whatever reason, Sony doesn't seem ready or willing to put the album promo in high gear yet.

I totally agree.

Thinking about it... what I don't get it why it takes Sony so long to release the name of the album... the cover is one thing but that we doesn't even know the name yet is a bit weird considering that they want to release the album on the 25th February.

In 2010 at the same time we already had cover and name and one month more left until the album release than we have now.

[melovelily]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

I think she misses working with MF and LB; mainly because all she had to do was show up. They told her what to wear, what to sing, what dance to do. She would have much rathered done it her way

That's the issue actually

According to the interview she did in that mag ( i keep forgetting the name of it ) where she posed like madonna ( and made madonnas pic look like shit )

She said one of the problems ( which caused the separation later ) is that zée wanted to show more of her personality and less of her body

Early zée was just a product and they didn't let her get involved in the image mf created since i guess the real alizée wasn't like the gimmick

[Ray4AJ]

This is the first album promotion I've ever followed. But I'm also sure that Sony has total say-so regarding the promotion. I think they have ramped it up. The DJ events get her out in front of her peers and get her name back on the scene. The radio things also do the same thing. Something must be working because she's doubled her followers in Instagram in the last six weeks, 5000 more in just the last week. Twitter is way up. These new followers are interested in her and hopefully her music and have been drawn in (I assume) by the recent promotion. I believe these people are from the target audience for the new album. I'm not a clothes/fashion person so I didn't see a problem with her appearance at the radio gig. But that's just me. And maybe the people who will buy the album didn't care either.
It looks like she really enjoyed the recent holidays and hopefully will be ready jump into the promotion which I think is getting ready to really get going. She knows the promo game better than any of us and she knows what she was getting into when signing the contract. It's part of what she does. I think it will be exciting for her and also for us to watch.

[OndrejSc]

Originally Posted by melovelily

That's the issue actually

According to the interview she did in that mag ( i keep forgetting the name of it ) where she posed like madonna ( and made madonnas pic look like shit )

She said one of the problems ( which caused the separation later ) is that zée wanted to show more of her personality and less of her body

Early zée was just a product and they didn't let her get involved in the image mf created since i guess the real alizée wasn't like the gimmick

I judge people by what they do, not by what they say they'll do:

Before split:



After split:



But I like it.

[melovelily]

That's the mags name technikart dumb name .... She looks good on the cover ....

Anyways i'm sure she meant the performances ala JEAM and JPVA

Here's the whole interview

The summer of 2000, she entered into our homes. In winter 2010, she's entering into us.

Alizée: Like a Hurricane

Ten years ago was the Alizée tornado; more than two million "Moi... Lolita"s flew off the shelves of French supermarkets. The sizzling pop star is coming back with an album that'll set the trend for the 2010s: a creative and charming return to the mainstream.

It's cliché but true: unlike all the little hyped phonies, Alizée, a working-class artist, isn't the least bit snobby. We spent an entire afternoon photo shoot with her. The pop star turned out to be the nicest person in the room. Like an old classmate from our Jean Moulin high school; neither a prissy left-bank hip chick, nor a slutty showoff, Alizée symbolizes a current trend that gets talked about less and less in the media (which is too occupied with selling trash). Forced to tour Mexico with bodyguards, she gets hounded by paparazzi in France, has sold millions of records, but arrives ready to go and early for our meeting the following day, having just dropped off her daughter at a pre-school in the middle-class 13th arrondissement of Paris.

On paper, we weren't exactly fascinated with her new project, her fourth album, Une Enfant du siècle. A mainstream singer hiring a bunch of well-connected producers isn't that suprising anymore, but it could have been a slick move; she's buying credibility for cheap, and the clever little composers are plowing the postmodern terrain on a theme currently in vogue: the icons of Andy Warhol's Factory. Listening to the album brought smiles to our faces. Well, it doesn't have that bohemian or folk Habitat sound. The two parts are nicely harmonized. Chateau Marmont, Rob, and David Rubato, big-time composers and top-flight producers, carved out songs that are both modern and vintage, à la Kim Wilde or Valerie Dore; in other words, delicious, fresh, catchy, melancholic, spontaneous--sparkly on the outside, subtle on the inside. These days only Lily Allen, with her more beat-up look, sings similar-sounding jingles that are, paradoxically, more engaging rather than quickly forgotten. It's mainstream, as necessitated by Alizée's celebrity status. More than anything, though, it's pop.

It's snowing outside and it's freezing inside. Alizée's wrapped in her overcoat, but through this musical blind test, she turns out to be both easygoing and outgoing at the same time.

Madonna, "La Isla Bonita"
"I had the album cover of Like a Virgin in my room! My dad was a fan, and I grew up with her songs. I've liked her less since the Music album; she continues to work with the latest sound styles, which is great, but she's less authentic, and her sexy look is a little worn-out. I sang "La Isla Bonita" on a Madonna TV special on France 2, six years ago. I have a very active fan base on the Internet, and my performance was put on YouTube, and there were two million views, including from people in Mexico who went completely crazy over it. That's how I became a star in Mexico. My version of "La Isla Bonita" became number one on Mexican radio, and I performed in a huge stadium there. They have a more spontaneous entertainment culture, and I love to go there, but I need bodyguards with me."

Teki Latex & Lio, "Les Matins de Paris"
"Teki Latex, from the band Institubes. We were looking for remixers for the singles from my previous album, Psychédélices, and David Rubato sent me a version of "Fifty Sixty" that I just loved. So I met the manager of David's label, Jean-René Etienne. He told me that he could find composers for me for my next album. I listened to some samples from Chateau Marmont and Rob, and I was captivated. I'm not huge on electronica, but these musicians proposed some samples that I just loved. As for Lio, I like "Banana Split" and "Les brunes comptent pas pour des prunes." She's had a good career. Popular yet strong-willed. I don't know what I'll be like at her age. I'm a singer, so it'll depend on who I work with in the future."

Mylène Farmer, "Libertine"
"I owe her a lot, of course. It was a real opportunity to meet the two of them, her and Laurent Boutonnat. She was a well-known, established singer, who took me under my wing when I was 15, when they noticed me on M6, on the TV show Graines de star. She protected me a lot, until I separated from her when I was 19. Thanks to her, I've been able to experience some really incredible things and sell a lot of records. I learned a lot, artistically speaking, as well as in business matters--I'm now a producer on my albums. I didn't feel manipulated by the songs she wrote for me; I was 15, I liked the songs, the clothes I wore were fine... When I realized the double entendres in the songs, it didn't bother me, because the lyrics were very well-written. In the end, though, I did get the impression that I was a product, and so I started suggesting things that were more personal and less sexy, and that's where our differences began. We separated, however, on good terms."

Vanessa Paradis, "Joe Le Taxi"
"When you love pop music, you dream of a career like hers. She began even younger than me. Before "Moi... Lolita" exploded on the scene, I was warned: Vanessa got taken advantage of because of her young success. She had to clean up the mess, but I've been lucky that things have gone well for me. I didn't have a normal adolescence, but at least I had one. Despite my success, I still lived in Ajaccio. When I had to go to Paris, my mother came with me. I took classes by correspondence. But when I reached #1 in 22 countries with my first album, I had to stop my studies, while I was in 11th grade. You can still learn culture on your own, and in any case, even with a diploma, people still aren't finding jobs these days."

Julien Doré, "Moi... Lolita"
"A musician from La Nouvelle Star sent me a message one afternoon to tell me that he was going to do a remake of the song on the prime-time show that evening. When I watched him on TV, I didn't think he was making fun of me at all. I don't know if he was making fun, and I don't really care. I'm not a fan, and a lot of people thought he massacred the song. It got talked about a lot, and Mylène and Laurent must have made a lot more money. I sold two and half million copies of that single, the 29th-best selling French single of all time. I didn't touch any of that money until I turned 18. I even got to #9 in England and I did the Top of the Pops! In Japan, it was "J'en ai marre" that made the top of the charts. To release an album there, you have to do certain things, like associating the music to something else, so I did a TV commercial there for some Japanese cookies along with the song. That's how the song got big there, and people started listening to it in the streets of Tokyo."

Mika, "Relax (Take It Easy)"
"I sang this song at Les Enfoirés, with Christophe Maé, Patrick Fiori and Nolwenn Leroy. Les Enfoirés is very exclusive. I did it in 2001, when I was 16, and have done it four times since then. It's the exclusive club of French showbiz and French variété. A big change from Institubes. I want to make this big change, even though in France it can be complicated. Still, it's good to be interested in a bit of everything."

Bob Dylan, "Like a Rolling Stone"
"When I was little, I was sung to sleep by the Beatles, Aznavour, Joe Dassin, Simon & Garfunkel, but not Dylan. New folk, Carla Bruni? No. I listen to it, I mean, I bought Charlotte Gainsbourg, but I've done 15 years of dance, and I prefer music that really moves. I'm not so much into the bohemian culture. It moves a lot of people, but it's very French, very Parisian, and my culture is more pop, I'm from a more middle-class, provincial background. I lived in Corsica until I was 18. Dylan talks about Edie Sedgwick? Jean Fauque's the one who talked to me about her."

Bashung, "La nuit je mens"
"Here's one written by Jean Fauque. He wrote "Fifty Sixty" for me, inspired by the New Yorkers like Sedgwick, or Maripol, her stylist sister who rubbed shoulders with Jean-Michel Basquiat, Blondie, and also Madonna at the time. I met Maripol through Mylène, and she gave me some bracelets that Madonna used to wear. I then met Jean Fauque. It wasn't until much later that I learned that they were brother and sister! They came to dinner one evening at my place, where Jean told us some of his anecdotes, and I understood that "Fifty Sixty" was about these people from New York City. I liked the theme and the lyrics, so we said, why not make an album around Edie Sedgwick, from the Warholian universe? I'm not at all like them, with the drugs and everything, but it's still fascinating, not for their way of living, but for the excitement of that group of people and of New York City."

Taxi Girl, "Cherchez le garçon"
"This is one of the sounds that I love. Mirwais had worked with Madonna, and Daniel Darc worked with me. I met him at the Plan, the concert hall in Ris-Orangis (a suburb of Paris). I went to his concert because I liked his album Crèvecoeur, and I asked him to participate in the Psychédélices album with Fauque and Burgalat. So he wrote two songs for me, really dark ones, completely different from my own universe..."

Kim Wilde, "Cambodia"
"A big hit from before I was born. I don't think she had many hits? After the success of "Moi... Lolita," I was very afraid of disappearing from the music scene. I put my confidence in Mylène and Laurent, that they would write other hits for me, but when I left them, I was really worried; like Nena (whose song "99 Red Balloons" I sang in Mexico, by the way), being a one-hit wonder. So I'm trying to not do songs that are too complicated, but at the same time being ambitious artistically. Psychédélices was a disque d'or in France, but people had written it off as a failure. I was fortunate to be able to count on the Mexican music market, which was huge. I did a TV scene in a soap opera there, which was seen by 75 million people!

Lorie, "Play"
"when you make music for children, it's hard to disassociate yourself from that. I waited until 2003 to do my first real concerts, seven shows in a row at the Olympia. I didn't really know what my audience would look like, and I was even afraid that it would mainly be kids. But it was a very diverse crowd: kids, parents, gays, young people my age, 18-year-olds, everyone. My fans have grown up with me, whereas with Lorie, it's still pretty much young kids. I did see that she wanted to change, and that she's done some sexy photo shoots.

Chateau Marmont, "Diane"
Rob, "King Lover"
"I'm very glad to have escaped from the whole 90s showbiz scene with them, and the relationship I have with them is just great; it's a very human relationship. On "Coeur fendre," Chateau Marmont proposed several versions to me; some sounded very Nintendo-like, others sounded like Moroder. They have a large palette of music, and a very recognizable sound that I love. Like Rob, they are very good with melody, which is so important--that's what I love, and that's what the public gets hooked on. I don't understand why they don't sell very many records. Surely it's because they were slapped with a trendy label and not a bohemian one. It used to be, "the fewer records I sell, the more respect I'll get", so they got slapped with that label, when all they really wanted was to sell records, which they really deserved. I hope that with my album, people will get more interested in them. I'm proud that they are using me to reach a wider audience. As for me, I worked with them not to be trendier, but for the quality of their sounds and their melodies. If I become more trendy, that's fine, but I don't want to give up my mainstream status!"

Jeanette, "Porque te vas"
"One of Rob's favorite songs. He wrote "La candida" for me with this one in mind. I like to sing in Spanish, so if my Mexican fans like it..."

Lily Allen, "Fuck You"
"I was still listening to the album in the car on the way here! The sound could be a little better, but the songs are really good. Listening to her songs, I said to myself that that's something I could sing now; I see lots of things in common with my own tastes. And she's gotten a lot of exposure now, so it's a good comparison--even if she has a trashy side that I don't have, maybe because she's English. I've never taken drugs, I don't drink, I don't smoke, and at first, they wanted pass me off as a naughty girl, but no, I'm too modest for that. I don't know how these trashy people do it. That wasn't in my upbringing. Maybe it's holding back my image for now, but not for the long-term. I want to be here long-term."

[Scruffydog777]

Originally Posted by Karin

Do you think by MF/LB she was happier? look on the most perfomances, most of ML... look to her face... in most time you could see there she was bored to perform again and again Moi Lolita, she did it just cause she must do it. I think only things which enjoyed were the many trips to countries like Japan and Korea and of course En Concert. Only in concert I had the feeling I saw the real Alizee, with fully energy, with passion to enjoy the time with fans. But in other perfomances she was just like wood doll. Or look to really only live perfomance of ML in Italy, did you saw she enjoyed it much? well... in the begginning I find she would be like better away.

You should go to look into the mirror... one time you are telling how is Sony making the great job with album and promoting her with DJ sets, and on another day you are saying 100% opposite things. And really dont put every problem of Alizée, but on Sony too.... Like Lefty said, look how they react when was leaked first video, 100% blocking everywhere, the same was by Psyche with Fifty-Sixty when it was leaked. Do you think Alizée wouldnt like to share with us if she could? Sony has the 100% control on everything from music to so little thing like cover of album.
Look to to MF era... Alizee-Italia asked photographers of single covers if they could get original photos. Answer? "We have not the rights for photos, only label" .
So Sony too have the fully control, they can and they have fully right to tell Alizee what she can and cant post.

Why you all here werent so active to crizing her by UEDS? there she and they made much more then by this project?

If most of you dont like what she is doing, you should stop hear and watch her by the end with MF like the others "fans", who were really Mylene fans and not Alizees

I've been working nights, weekends and holidays, outside for most of my career in the hope of having comfotable retirement. Alizee is stuck with singing the same songs, doing the same dances for about 4 years at the end of which she was probably set for life and you expect me to feel sorry for her?

As far as me saying one thing one day and something different the next about the promotion, well I've been saying the same thing all along. Sony is doing a tremendous job of promoting her but she put's nothing into it.

Her cancelled concerts in Paris were blamed on poor promotion so you would think, she wouldn't want that to happen again, but she just doesn't get the picture. These gigs are to win back old fans and win new fans and the best way she can do that is with the beauty that is still left. Somebody really needs go give this girl a swift kick in the behind and tell her if she's not going to put any effort into it, don't waste Sony's time. There time would be better spent promoting an artist who appreciated it and used to their advantage.

[Karin]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

I've been working nights, weekends and holidays, outside for most of my career in the hope of having comfotable retirement. Alizee is stuck with singing the same songs, doing the same dances for about 4 years at the end of which she was probably set for life and you expect me to feel sorry for her?

As far as me saying one thing one day and something different the next about the promotion, well I've been saying the same thing all along. Sony is doing a tremendous job of promoting her but she put's nothing into it.

Her cancelled concerts in Paris were blamed on poor promotion so you would think, she wouldn't want that to happen again, but she just doesn't get the picture. These gigs are to win back old fans and win new fans and the best way she can do that is with the beauty that is still left. Somebody really needs go give this girl a swift kick in the behind and tell her if she's not going to put any effort into it, don't waste Sony's time. There time would be better spent promoting an artist who appreciated it and used to their advantage.

yea... poor promotion... but whos fault it is? Alizee? No, but her that time manager, label and other companies which work is to do promo. Only thing which should Alizee do, would be appear into a promo video, but thats again work of label and other companies.
And about to get old fans... hah... the old "fans" where most fans of Mylene... you could see it very good in many reportages about concert... where they asked people realy WHY they go to concert, and many answers "... Mylene Farmer".

I dont blame MF/LB work on Alizee... but really... soon it will be 10years... its really gone... without accepting it how it is and comparing everytime what is in present and what was in past it cant work.