[Discussion] Newest Alizée Pictures

[DrSmith]

She is "posing" in that photo, in as much as the point is to showcase the tattoo. And it's a professional-looking photo. Your hypothetical scenario doesn't match the reality of the situation.

IF the photo looked private, people would have noticed. That wasn't the case. There were no strong cues that this was meant to be a private photo.

Leading back to the original point, any time a photo gets posted that is suspected to be private, it does get removed.

This photo may have been removed after you suggested it was private, had Brian not promptly delivered the source. I think it was unjustified for you to call this hypocrisy.

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by DrSmith

She is "posing" in that photo, in as much as the point is to showcase the tattoo. And it's a professional-looking photo. Your hypothetical scenario doesn't match the reality of the situation.

IF the photo looked private, people would have noticed. That wasn't the case. There were no strong cues that this was meant to be a private photo.

Leading back to the original point, any time a photo gets posted that is suspected to be private, it does get removed.

This photo may have been removed after you suggested it was private, had Brian not promptly delivered the source. I think it was unjustified for you to call this hypocrisy.

What if Alizée likes to “pose” privately and Jérémy happens to be proficient with a camera? What if the picture was stolen from their house? There was no indication that this picture was public or private and the source was unknown when I made my original comment. You have admitted to that...

So basically, what I would really want to know is the answer to this question:

“If I find any picture of Alizée where she does not seem to be in a public place and there is no indication that she is posing for a photo shoot, for the public or for a fan, it can be posted here if the origin is unknown?”

[DrSmith]

What do you think? Use a little discretion.


Every situation is different. The facts in this case: The photo was not private, and it didn't appear to be private to anyone but you. You misjudged the situation, and made an unfair accusation of the moderators here.<br><br>

[Merci Alizée]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

So, let me get this straight... If I find any picture of Alizée where she does not seem to be in a public place and there is no indication that she is posing for photo shoot, for the public or for a fan, it can be posted here if the origin is unknown?

Yes, you can post the picture and leave it upto mods to decide whether it's should be here or not. I believe I have said this earlier also. Members should feel free to post what they want (of course they should consider that whether it's not against any rules or not).

If you are unsure about some image then you can either ask any mod directly or post it in Miscellaneous image queries and requests thread with your question about the source of the image. I'm sure that you'll get an answer. There is hardly any picture posted on forums about which no one knows anything.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

It is Alizée’s back on the picture that was posted. There is no debating it. Besides the skin landmarks, the tattoo's pattern, defects, coloring... are identical to Alizée’s tattoo. But the thing that I find most disturbing here is that AAm is so overprotective of Alizée when certain topics are discussed, but no one comes to the rescue when a picture is posted on AAm forums and it seems quite evident that Alizée most probably never agreed to display it publicly.

It is not that the posting of the picture bothers me, it is just the hypocrisy that is flagrant.

Instead of directly using the word hypocrisy, you could have ask a simple question about the source of the picture or raised your concern about it possibly being private.

I'm still not sure how you reached the conclusion that we are hypocrites.

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by DrSmith

What do you think? Use a little discretion.


Every situation is different. The facts in this case: The photo was not private, and it didn't appear to be private to anyone but you. You misjudged the situation, and made an unfair accusation of the moderators here.<br><br>

Docteur, I would rather state the facts this way:

- From my first post, I pointed out to the fact that I did not care about that picture being posted on here. So, obviously, it is not the posting of the picture that I have a problem with.

- No one here cared about the fact that a picture of unknown origin was posted on AAm without any obvious indication of it being public. It is easy to be so assertive about it being so obviously “public” now, but somehow, you were less convinced in your first reply.

- I pointed out to the fact that it was hypocritical of AAm to be so overprotective of Alizée on certain issues while no one came rushing in to question such a picture. This was not an attack on any moderators; it was an attack on any of the AAm members who obsessively overprotect Alizée when certain topics are brought up.

Basically, if Alizée has to be so overprotected, then a picture that could easily have been private should not have been left on here unchallenged for two days as people kept dissecting it out in minute details. I find this hypocritical of AAm as a whole.

I am sorry, but I do not think I can make this any clearer.

@MA, I guess this constitute a reply to your post as well.

Edit:

Ohhh, I forgot to mention... The fact that the picture turned out to be public is irrelevant here. I based my original claim (and I still stand by it) on the content of the picture and the fact that it did not raise any questioning from anyone on here.

[DrSmith]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

It is easy to be so assertive about it being so obviously “public” now, but somehow, you were less convinced in your first reply.

It was obvious enough that nobody made mention of it. Again, you were the only one who felt it might be a private image.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

- I pointed out to the fact that it was hypocritical of AAm to be so overprotective of Alizée on certain issues while no one came rushing in to question such a picture. This was not an attack on any moderators; it was an attack on any of the AAm members who obsessively overprotect Alizée when certain topics are brought up.

Basically, if Alizée has to be so overprotected, then a picture that could easily have been private should not have been left on here unchallenged for two days as people kept dissecting it out in minute details. I find this hypocritical of AAm as a whole.

Then I misunderstood who you were calling hypocritical. You were still wrong.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Edit:

Ohhh, I forgot to mention... The fact that the picture turned out to be public is irrelevant here. I based my original claim (and I still stand by it) on the content of the picture and the fact that it did not raise any questioning from anyone on here.

The way you percieved it was clearly not the same as everyone else.

Only after you suggested it was private did I begin to think it might be. Hence why I was "less convinced in [my] first reply".

Like MA said, "you could have [...] raised your concern about it possibly being private", before accusing people of being hypocritical.

[Merci Alizée]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

- No one here cared about the fact that a picture of unknown origin was posted on AAm without any obvious indication of it being public. It is easy to be so assertive about it being so obviously “public” now, but somehow, you were less convinced in your first reply.

How do you know that no one cared about it? I knew about this picture before it was posted on AAm and I noticed it here just few minutes after Toc de mac posted the image. Didn't find anything wrong with the post and left it. Should I have raised a question even when I knew about it?

[Corsaire]

Docteur, the problem is that your desire to show that I was wrong at all cost seems to make you lose sight of the point, here. The whole issue does not bear on the picture being private or not. What if it now turns out that Tin-tin Tatouages posted the picture without Alizée’s permission? Do I win the argument then? This is irrelevant.

The issue is about the fact that people did not know (and you originally stated how unsure you were yourself) if the picture was private and actually, people did not seem to care if it was or not.

If you do not understand that this picture was highly questionable and that the people obsessed with protecting Alizée should have been rushing in to ask for a proof that it was public, there is not much I can add to the discussion to convince you that this is indeed hypocritical.

In any case, I think I will leave it at that since we are pretty much running in circles here.

[Merci Alizée]

Originally Posted by Corsaire

Docteur, the problem is that your desire to show that I was wrong at all cost seems to make you lose sight of the point, here. The whole issue does not bear on the picture being private or not. What if it now turns out that Tin-tin Tatouages posted the picture without Alizée’s permission? Do I win the argument then? This is irrelevant.

I'll answer all the questions one by one by pointing out all the circumstances.

If it turns out to be a picture posted without her permission then it will be removed. There is no such indication yet and it's neither a paparazzi nor anyone can claim till now it has been stolen from somewhere.

From what I have noticed, Alizée is well aware of what is being said or published about her. If you want then I can give examples which shows that she knows what is being circulated among fans. She might have been seen this picture by now and if it was posted without her permission then she can easily ask the parlour to remove it from their website. She was one of their clients and I hope that she can do so. If the picture is removed from the site in near future, then we can consider it as private and ask everyone not to share it.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

The issue is about the fact that people did not know (and you originally stated how unsure you were yourself) if the picture was private and actually, people did not seem to care if it was or not.

Smith doesn't represent all those so called "overprotective" members. If he didn't knew doesn't mean no one else knew or thought about the privacy.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

If you do not understand that this picture was highly questionable and that the people obsessed with protecting Alizée should have been rushing in to ask for a proof that it was public, there is not much I can add to the discussion to convince you that this is indeed hypocritical.

In any case, I think I will leave it at that since we are pretty much running in circles here.

Can't I easily say that many of the so called "overprotective" members "rushed", they saw this questionable picture, but since they knew about it so they didn't ask any question.

Originally Posted by Corsaire

In any case, I think I will leave it at that since we are pretty much running in circles here.

It's not running in circles. It's stuck at one imaginary point.

Anyways, give it a break. Like I said earlier, do not feel constrained by anything on this forum.

It's not a win or loss situation for anyone.

[Corsaire]

Actually, I think I will leave it at that in a more general sense.

I think I will take this occasion to say my farewell to AAm. I have been postponing this for a while now, but it seems there is no reason to keep dragging this for much longer. After the initial cathartic effect of being able to discuss Alizée with fellow fans on here, I have found that I am not really at home with the AAm crowd.

I might be back at some point if I feel the urge, but otherwise, I wish all the best to all. I would like to thank all the ones who dared to discuss the weird topics that I have brought on here. Particularly, I would like to thank members who contacted me privately to discuss topics further. It kept me going for longer than I should probably have...

I thank MA, Lefty and Scruffy for always being supportive. Although I occasionally pushed the envelope, the goal was always to challenge and stimulate. Your dedication to AAm and Alizée is commendable.

To all, keep well and keep Alizée in your hearts, where she belongs.

Corsaire

P.S. As my last request, I ask that this post be moved to wherever it should best fit.