Newest Alizée Pictures: 2010

[OndrejSc]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Where we disagree is over whether Alizée's (or anyone else's) performance should be restricted in any way, shape or form by the fact that she is married.

To me, a female singer's performance is, as Alizee herself said, 50% singing and 50% image. But what I am trying to say is, that performance doesn't equal acting. In wrestling, I understand that the athletes/actors pretend for the sake of the show. In a concert, why would Alizee pretend anything? For the sake of the show? Does she pretend to be singing? Does she pretend she enjoys the crowd's attention? I believe not. Then why would she pretend to be sexually provocative? I think she doesn't pretend that, she genuinely is. What effect shall that provocation have on fans? Should they enjoy the performance more, because they'd like to **** the performer? What I await from her performances isn't sexual arousal, there are other things for that. I'd like her to be simply beautiful, not provocative.

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

I say that the only considerations impacting what she should not do as a performer are aesthetic and in terms of artistic integrity, and her marriage has absolutely nothing to do with it.

If she were an actress (I hope she will be one day), let her pretend whatever she likes - in a movie. As a singer, you do not play some character, you are yourself. You give something from yourself to the audience. Alizee shares her beautiful voice, looks and soul with us. I don't want her to share her sexuality...

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

I have a minor character in my novel (which will be e-published within the next month (yes, that was a shameless plug )) who is a sorcerer who has a hidden palace staffed by pretty young girls that he keeps enslaved by spells.

Sound like an interesting read, let me know where to acquire it.

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by OndrejSc

Then why would she pretend to be sexually provocative? I think she doesn't pretend that, she genuinely is. What effect shall that provocation have on fans? Should they enjoy the performance more, because they'd like to **** the performer? What I await from her performances isn't sexual arousal, there are other things for that. I'd like her to be simply beautiful, not provocative.

I still don't think you're connecting with where we disagree. What you just stated above was a run-down on your own aesthetic preferences. Those preferences would be the same if she were single. Or at least, they should be.

The simple answer to your question is "yes." They should enjoy the performance more (and do) because they find the performer sexually attractive. If that's the main thing that's going on, then you have pornography, but if it's a subtext of what's going on, you have an enhancement of the performance. This is a constant with almost all performers, male or female. Some are more blatant about it than others. Alizée is not very blatant at all, but the subtext is still there. The suggestion that it shouldn't be there because she is in a committed relationship is, in my opinion, nonsense. That consideration applies only to private behavior, not to her performances.

Sound like an interesting read, let me know where to acquire it.

I will; I'll have a thread in the off-topic section about it when it's actually available, which won't be long now. All I need is cover art.

[OndrejSc]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

I still don't think you're connecting with where we disagree. What you just stated above was a run-down on your own aesthetic preferences. Those preferences would be the same if she were single. Or at least, they should be.

Yes, my aesthetic preferences are independent of Alizee's marital status. I wouldn't like those pictures even if she was single.

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

The suggestion that it shouldn't be there because she is in a committed relationship is, in my opinion, nonsense. That consideration applies only to private behavior, not to her performances.

You pose art as something different from real life. Well, let me put an extreme example here. Let us suppose someone would consider murdering someone in a very specific way to be a work of art. You see, art is not free of moral considerations.

[wasabi622]

Originally Posted by OndrejSc

You pose art as something different from real life. Well, let me put an extreme example here. Let us suppose someone would consider murdering someone in a very specific way to be a work of art. You see, art is not free of moral considerations.

Wait, so now that picture is immoral? How? Please point out the aspects that make it so.

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by OndrejSc

You pose art as something different from real life. Well, let me put an extreme example here. Let us suppose someone would consider murdering someone in a very specific way to be a work of art. You see, art is not free of moral considerations.

I guess, then, what it comes down to is that I'm not sufficiently puritanical to dislike those recent photos. A real-life analogy would be if I were hanging out with a woman who, for whatever reason, I have no intention of having sex with, and we were flirting with each other. Not serious, just playing. I know the difference. I would have no problem with that. Same with those photos. It's a kind of tease, a provoker of a fantasy that she's coming onto one - but of course she's not in reality. It's exciting without being anything to take seriously, and without crossing that line into vulgarity.

As for moral considerations applying to art, I would say they only apply to the extent that the art involves real-world behavior, as murdering someone certainly would. Along similar lines, I would say that if Alizée were to actually have sex with someone on stage, or use the flirtatious quality of a performance to set up real-world trysts, that would probably violate her marriage vows and get her in a lot of trouble. But there is nothing immoral about simulated violence in a performance, or about simulated sex, or flirtation as part of a performance. Any spouse that gets upset about a sexy performance is being absurdly unreasonable. (Simulated sex, or even flirtation, depending on how it's done, could end up trashy and vulgar, but that's an aesthetic consideration not a moral one.)

Now about those pictures, one has to keep in mind that they're really Madonna pics and not in Alizée's usual style, but she pulled them off beautifully. She just oozes sex in those photos, which apparently you don't like about them. I do. It's a little complicated, because in reality I would never hit on a woman dressed like that if I met her somewhere; not my type at all. But I know that this is Alizée playing a role, so it's kind of like a costume party, where you see someone dressed in a way they normally wouldn't and you think, "Damn, she's hot!" And it's true, she is, and knowing that the woman wearing all that in reality isn't a brainless boy toy makes her even more desirable.

And why shouldn't I feel that way? Granted, she's not at liberty to have a physical relationship with me, but what the hell, we live on different continents, we've never met in person, and we have half a language in common on a good day, so what difference does that make really? To say that I find her physically attractive is, or should be, no more wrong or offensive than to say I find her attractive as a person, which is also true. It doesn't obligate either of us to do anything in particular, and anyway if I said otherwise she (and anyone else with a brain) would know I was lying through my teeth.

In short, I see nothing wrong with these photos. And obviously she doesn't either or she wouldn't have posed for them.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Plaz

i think things have calmed down? i've posted them on a few sites tonight and they don't seem to mind it!

Didn't want to start another argument about those pics..they are all over the net now anyway.

I rather wanted to say that I will never entrust facebook with pics or info that not everyone and his dog is supposed to see!

[OndrejSc]

Originally Posted by wasabi622

Wait, so now that picture is immoral? How? Please point out the aspects that make it so.

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

In short, I see nothing wrong with these photos. And obviously she doesn't either or she wouldn't have posed for them.

All I'm saying is, that it's wrong to use one's sexuality intentionally to gain anything else than your spouse's attention. :-) Sure, sex sells, as the saying goes, question seems to be how far shall one sell out. I'd say don't at all.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by OndrejSc

All I'm saying is, that it's wrong to use one's sexuality intentionally to gain anything else than your spouse's attention. :-) Sure, sex sells, as the saying goes, question seems to be how far shall one sell out. I'd say don't at all.

I'd be careful with applying one's own sexual morals for the lives of other people. When it comes to moral behaviour todays orthodoxy is tomorrows heresy and vice versa.

Besides, these pics are in no way a sell out.
They are sensual, aesthetic and beautiful.
Sexy? Yes. Provocative? Hardly.
Others have set much higher standards for provocation these days.

[user472884]

guys, guys, GUYS!

Why are we arguing on a picture thread?

Have you lost focus from the most precious truth we hold dear?

Alizée is awesome, talented, and sexy... what is there to argue?

[Fèvier]

Originally Posted by Jalen

guys, guys, GUYS!

Why are we arguing on a picture thread?

Have you lost focus from the most precious truth we hold dear?

Alizée is awesome, talented, and sexy... what is there to argue?

Well said Jalen. As much as i would love to here everyone's opinion on a couple pictures, we cant let the arguing lead us into writing 20 pages of everyone opposing opinion when the reason we are all here is for our admirition over our Queen Alizée