Your thoughts on Alizee

[Deepwaters]

That's probably for a different thread, Espire.

You're right that I was too simplistic there and made too broad a statement, but I was speaking to Ali's remark about her insisting her lover be faithful. It seemed to me Ali was taking that as an endorsement of traditional monogamy, when if you read the interview all she was saying was that she wasn't one to put up with being cheated on. (I suspect she'd be awfully hard to get away with cheating on, too, in the sense of keeping it a secret from her.)

Yes, "morality" is a wide-ranging term, and to me Alizée is a remarkably good person.

[OGRE]

Originally Posted by joeyhehe

though i am not at all religious thank god

Nice.

[Joey_adore_Jung]

Originally Posted by OGRE

Nice.

here let me edit that,
though i am not REligious, thank god for ALizée being the way she is.

[fsquared]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

That's probably for a different thread, Espire.

You're right that I was too simplistic there and made too broad a statement, but I was speaking to Ali's remark about her insisting her lover be faithful. It seemed to me Ali was taking that as an endorsement of traditional monogamy, when if you read the interview all she was saying was that she wasn't one to put up with being cheated on. (I suspect she'd be awfully hard to get away with cheating on, too, in the sense of keeping it a secret from her.)

Yes, "morality" is a wide-ranging term, and to me Alizée is a remarkably good person.

Strangely, I think I was so inured to current goings-on that it actually didn't occur to me that your statement "not 'moral' in a religious-tradition sense" might be taken as some sort of aspersion in this context. (Although I recall some fellow from Iraq, Khubuz I think his name was, over in AF back in 2003 getting remarkably bent out of shape about these issues.)

The other thing (and I think I've probably made my opinion on that clear before so I shouldn't be beating a dead horse about it because it's a matter of incontrovertible fact which is merely unknown to us) is that whole thing about their marriage not necessarily being registered in France. I mean, they're rich and famous, they must have lawyers, and it seems like it would be an aberration for them not to have filled out the appropriate paperwork to register in France (not to mention presumably wanting the appropriate legal rights that are conferred). (Of course, something of this nature happened to Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall, but I think it was because the original Indonesian marriage was not processed properly). But that's still just an opinion on my part, so it's no use actually debating it.

[Deepwaters]

Fsquared, the reason I think they're legally unmarried in France -- not that it's important -- is because it wouldn't be a simple matter of "registering" their American marriage with the French government. They would have to actually get married there, and this would require (among other things) publishing the banns X number of days before the ceremony in the place where they lived, or where one of them had lived/maintained a residence for the past 40 days, which would in this case mean either Paris or Ajaccio. Had that happened, some enterprising snoop or other would have dug up the details and we would know all about it. French marriage law is a strange thing. That sort of requirement is why the marriage of two French citizens in a foreign country is usually not recognized in France.

There may be different rules for married foreigners moving to France, but as both Alizée and Jérémy are French citizens those rules don't matter in this case.

[fsquared]

Just for reference, the rules are here (last time this came up was also in a thread of mine ).

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/fr/partirusa/mariage.asp

Note that (and my French isn't so hot) my impression is that it doesn't say that you have to get married again, just that you have to put up the banns after you get back. I guess you're relying on this thing about the banns that need to be published.

I did find however an interesting rule regarding this:

http://www.mariage.fr/article/sengager/bancs.cfm

The google-translated form of the last paragraph reads:

It should be noted also that it happens that an exemption of publication is granted by the public prosecutor, when the advertisement of a union is likely to disturb the law and order, for example when the marriage relates to stars or known personalities, or individuals translated in the course of bases.

So it seems entirely likely that such an exemption could have been granted in this case.

[Deepwaters]

Interesting, but I still think it would be impossible for them to get married and have it remain perpetually a secret. As for civil benefits, please check this out:

http://brittany.angloinfo.com/countries/france/pacs.asp

(Although in fact it might be difficult to keep THAT a secret as well.)

If you're wealthy and have an unconventional job, the civic benefits become less compelling anyway.

[Killian]

From everywhere I have checked it would seem the only requirement, beyond age restrictions (which I found a little strange), were residence in the town in which you plan to get married for forty days previously, which wouldn't be a problem. Where did you find out it had to be published Deep?

[Deepwaters]

Well, "thoughts about Alizée" is a very broad topic and this one fits under it, so: I think something is in the works. I think we're going to hear from her over the next few days. Either the official web site will come back up, or there will be an official announcement about the new album, or something equivalent, by the end of next week.

I've already been wrong in one prediction, which I think has used up my quota of misses for the time being. But we'll see.

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Killian

From everywhere I have checked it would seem the only requirement, beyond age restrictions (which I found a little strange), were residence in the town in which you plan to get married for forty days previously, which wouldn't be a problem. Where did you find out it had to be published Deep?

Here's one site that explains the rules in English:

http://www.beyond.fr/a/marriage.html

The possibility of waiving the requirement is mentioned.