Official News Discussion

[WindReaver]

I would not be too sure about that. I've heard from someone that worked in that industry that most such "leaks" are intentional.

I like both songs and for all I care they could have flipped a coin to pick which one would be the single. They are both great. A heck of a lot better than about 99% of the music we get here in the U.S.

I really don't like that the so-called "fans" in Mexico/South America are doing this to her though. Reading those comments really ticked me off. How can you call yourself a fan of hers if you are telling her she is going to fail or go bankrupt just because you want her to release the other song first? All of these negative comments on her label's website must not look all that good to the guys upstairs. What a way for the "fans" to support Alizée.

This is not aimed at you guys here, just ranting and venting a little. =(

[Ben]

Originally Posted by CFHollister

I find a fan petition for a particular song not only silly, but insulting to Alizée and her Team by insinuation that they couldn't choose for themselves or decide what sort of message that they want to present first. Also I'm sure it is further upsetting/angering to Alizée by continually emphasizing the fact that virtually everyone has obtained a full-length stolen copy of a track that wasn't even intended to be released at all yet.

Originally Posted by WindReaver

Reading those comments really ticked me off. How can you call yourself a fan of hers if you are telling her she is going to fail or go bankrupt just because you want her to release the other song first? All of these negative comments on her label's website must not look all that good to the guys upstairs. What a way for the "fans" to support Alizée.

Agree completely, though on the other hand at least it does show them that there's interest in her return. Anything's better than apathy, and the Lili press release has far and away the most comments of any recent news story on RCA's website.

[espire]

It's silly for Alizée to personally announce her return already; if you don't have the goods, people won't want to listen. First the song will be played on the radio for a few days, word of mouth will spread around, and then Alizée will make an announcement. Then, she'll jump right in and start performing.

Remember, even Alizée's best friends didn't know that she was even signed with Polydor when they first heard Moi Lolita on the radio.

[heyamigo]

while an actual petition might seem silly, just accepting whatever they decide to do blindly is also silly too, imo. you think most of the hardcore fans that waited 4 years with such low expectations? the outcry against MJ being the first single is by loyal fans who CARE about the success of the first single and her return, and they obviously don't want her to take chances releasing a mediocre, even below mediocre song. the fans, and even alizée deserves better. granted, i can't see them changing it now and there is still hope that the actual release versions might sound better than what has been leaked, it's still not a song that excites me and a lot of other people for a much anticipated return. some of you guys seem to be all in love with MJ for whatever reasons, but i tell ya, if that song was done by someone other than alizée, i would not have even given it a second listen.

that said, i think it's silly for for whoever that decided to say that single was changed from 50-60 to MJ because of the stolen songs and "bad fan reaction." if they really cared so much about fan reaction, they should've waited and noticed that MJ's reception was even worse. right now, my hope in alizée regaining some significance is that these leaked songs are nothing like what the final release is. or that she is just f**king with us...

[Ben]

Originally Posted by heyamigo

while an actual petition might seem silly, just accepting whatever they decide to do blindly is also silly too, imo. you think most of the hardcore fans that waited 4 years with such low expectations? the outcry against MJ being the first single is by loyal fans who CARE about the success of the first single and her return, and they obviously don't want her to take chances releasing a mediocre, even below mediocre song.

50-60 is really so much better that it would erase all problems? Honestly, whichever song you prefer, I don't see them being on that tremendously different levels of quality.

And the thing is... I'm all for criticism, but informed criticism. This is an example of exactly the opposite. What's it based on, two tracks of questionable completeness that we weren't even supposed to have heard yet?

I understand that the fans speak up because they care, and that's good. Like I said, anything's better than apathy. But most of the complaints I see about MJ as single seem to be people who simply don't like the song. It's fair enough to judge the track on it's own, but we can't say whether it's the best choice or not yet because except for 50-60 (for which there could still be plans), we don't know the other options!

Prefer one track or prefer the other, love both or hate both, it's all good. And great to let everyone know, Alizée included. But how we can claim at this point to know what the first single should be is beyond my understanding.

[Roman]

Originally Posted by lefty12357

I'm not sure I believe the talk about switching the singles either, at least not for the reasons given. However, they may have a couple songs selected for possible singles moving along at the same pace as far as promotion and videos are concerned. It doesn't hurt to be prepared and have choices. They also must be considering releasing more than one single sooner or later anyways. It's possible much of this work has already been completed for more than one song. If any switch did occur, it was probably some time ago before all this leaking was going on.

The other thing is, I don’t see where they got this characterization of the fans’ reaction. It seems to me, everyone is relatively happy with both of Alizée's new songs.

As I recall from a few weeks ago, last time I checked, Kam on MFinternational was saying how bad 50/60 was at first, but then last I read Kam was like, 'what's happening to me, I'm starting to like this song?!'. I think people will come around even if their initial assesment is not favorable. I think it's based on certain expectations or hopes or maybe even objectivity, but then as we all like Alizée, we come to like the song. In my life, most songs that I have ended up liking (especially when I was younger) I didn't pay much attention to at first. Maybe I'm just quicker to assess what I like now, but it still might take some time.

As for first single: they said materials were stolen, right? So, assuming 50/60 was one of the things stolen (and it sure seems like it) there is zero basis to think that it was ever being considered as the first single or any single for that matter. We have based that idea entirely on the fact that it was de facto the first single (first song we got our paws on). Right?

[Cooney]

There was never any evidence 50/60 was going to be the first single. It simply was leaked widely enough that people assumed it.

-There was never any evidence 50/60 was going to be a single at all. It simply is leaked widely enough that people assume it.

-The MJ that has been leaked may not be a final version (personally, I'm betting it isn't), and people are whining about a song that isn't complete.

-It's not a matter of "blindly accepting" what we are told in a press release. It's a matter of accepting the fact that by the time a press release comes out, there isn't a damn thing that can be done to change what song releases first. By the time that release came out, do you have any idea how much background work had to have been done, and how much money invested, in prepping that single?

-How insulting and arrogant is it to pretend that we, as a small group of hardcore fans, are more relevant and knowledgable about the intended market than the well-oiled market research and publicity machine of one of the world's biggest music companies? We are not the target audience, as we will follow along no matter what. It's the non-hardcore folks they worry most about. If you took all the regular posters from all the major Alizée fan forums on the net, we'd represent barely a fraction of a single percentage point of hoped-for sales on something like this.

Alizée has grown up. Time for the whiners to do so. This complaining immature, it's jejune, and it's insulting. There's a difference between expressing a preference, and what we're seeing.

[Tye]

I am sure Lili had some say in what she wanted the first single to be. Why can't we all just have a little faith that Lili and her team knows what they are doing? Her and her team are the one's who know exactly what is on the album, and what the market in France is at the moment.

Let's trust her, and accept with open arms what she gives us.

[CFHollister]

Thank you Cooney and Snatcher.

[Youpidou1]

Originally Posted by Cooney

There was never any evidence 50/60 was going to be the first single. It simply was leaked widely enough that people assumed it.

-There was never any evidence 50/60 was going to be a single at all. It simply is leaked widely enough that people assume it.

-The MJ that has been leaked may not be a final version (personally, I'm betting it isn't), and people are whining about a song that isn't complete.

-It's not a matter of "blindly accepting" what we are told in a press release. It's a matter of accepting the fact that by the time a press release comes out, there isn't a damn thing that can be done to change what song releases first. By the time that release came out, do you have any idea how much background work had to have been done, and how much money invested, in prepping that single?

-How insulting and arrogant is it to pretend that we, as a small group of hardcore fans, are more relevant and knowledgable about the intended market than the well-oiled market research and publicity machine of one of the world's biggest music companies? We are not the target audience, as we will follow along no matter what. It's the non-hardcore folks they worry most about. If you took all the regular posters from all the major Alizée fan forums on the net, we'd represent barely a fraction of a single percentage point of hoped-for sales on something like this.

Alizée has grown up. Time for the whiners to do so. This complaining immature, it's jejune, and it's insulting. There's a difference between expressing a preference, and what we're seeing.

Way back up at the whining situation, it goes with the quote "don't judge a book by it's cover." In this case it seems many fans did judge it before actually getting to know the song. Because you see a book with a bad cover and you automatically think wow this book is dumb. NO, I think everyone on this specific thread listened to the song(s) and then judged it. And judged well let me add. I listened to the song(s) and found that I will be the first online to get the CD when I find out which store it will be in. And Alizée haters shouldn't even have a say in this situation regarding the song. Alizée sings the song, Alizée thought it would be good, Alizée is going to release it I hope and YOU ALL have to live with it on the CD. Stop whining. This message goes out to all the anti-Alizée people on this forum if there is any. Alizée go ahead release this song I will listen to it along with every other Alizée fan here.