Alizée's Last Name

[RMJ]

eye care insurance i want one too !

[RMJ]

ther's some legal thinmgs that it brings but they aren't tha important anyways. Most you can cover with testament.

Here I mean. America is other thing gsince you got weird laws there !

[DJ_Greg]

Originally Posted by HibyPrime

If you are getting married only because of legal reasons then there is something @#%&ing wrong with your relationship.

I haven't seen any compelling reasons here that really make a difference if you are married or not (legal reasons, I mean). Especially not the one about pulling the plug - can you imagine being asked to make a decision on wether or not to kill your spouce, AND be expected to seriously consider it? I would hate to ever be in that position..

Nobody said that. I can't speak for Snatcher, but I was responding to the comment that "marriage is just a piece of paper." The fact is that it's not. Listing some of the legal rights and obligations that go along with marriage (as I did) is not saying anything about the reasons why people get married. Those are two different statements.

Since you brought it up: rights such as medical decisions for spouses are not typically a reason to get married. They are characteristics of marriage, showing that it is not simply "a piece of paper."

And once again, you and RMJ assume I only meant "pulling the plug." There are various medical problems in which a person cannot communicate, not just PVS (persistent vegetative state). In those cases, the spouse acts as an advocate on that person's behalf.

But these things have nothing to do with why people choose to get married. I didn't say anything about that. I was addressing the statement about marriage's significance (or it's lack of significance...whatever).

[DJ_Greg]

Originally Posted by HibyPrime

There is a huge downside, a very very very large one for some people.

You are conforming to society.

Guess what: Do you speak a language? Do you wear clothes? Do you walk? Do you eat with a fork? Do you use the Internet? Do you brush your teeth? Do you stop at red lights and go when they turn green? Do you face forward in an elevator, or look slightly upward at the lighted numbers? Do you maintain a certain distance from other people when talking to them? Do you shake someone's hand when they extend it to you?

You "conform to society" in nearly EVERYTHING you do. You live in a society, and the vast majority of your behavior MUST conform to its norms. If you don't, you don't have much chance of survival. To be human is to be a part of society. It's really as simple as that.

[neoteny]

like jack dining with first class passengers

HEAR HEAR!!!

[neoteny]

i think i might have had a better chance of a long term relationship if i hadn't gone and ruined things. come to think of it...we were married for a good 4 years before we were married. the average marriage in the US is about 5 years. last time i read it. mine lasted seven months. but that shouldn't suggest that my wifes a crazy, just really misunderstood...alot actually. it was my fault. i miss her, but im glad we're not together anymore. anyway.. point being: word to the wise...dont ever get pressured to get married (knock on wood). find your soul mate.
i hope Alizee has a long lasting happy commitment with Jay.

and dont get married so young! at least wait til youre in your late 20s. thats how i see it now.

drink up....

[RMJ]

Originally Posted by DJ_Greg

And once again, you and RMJ assume I only meant "pulling the plug." There are various medical problems in which a person cannot communicate, not just PVS (persistent vegetative state). In those cases, the spouse acts as an advocate on that person's behalf.

Same thing. Without medical knowledge it's not that spouses call to do such decisions. If anyone is needed to do those, it's the doctors who are aware of the situation. They are capable of objective thinking and can base their opinion on medical knowledge.


( lol... looks like my texts last night wasn't totally smooth... )

[DJ_Greg]

Originally Posted by RMJ

Same thing. Without medical knowledge it's not that spouses call to do such decisions. If anyone is needed to do those, it's the doctors who are aware of the situation. They are capable of objective thinking and can base their opinion on medical knowledge.

I don't know about Finland, but in the U.S. it IS the spouse's call, if the patient cannot communicate for himself/herself. That's the law here.

Doctors aren't machines. If they were as infallible as you claim, there would be no need for ethical reviews. Do I need to recite the long and tragic list of human rights violations by medical practitioners to convince you that your statement above is a bit too uncritical of doctors? They are people; they have ambitions and emotions and personality quirks. They don't deserve your blind faith any more some other person.

Unless, of course, your doctor is Alizée.

[DJ_Greg]

Originally Posted by neoteny

i think i might have had a better chance of a long term relationship if i hadn't gone and ruined things. come to think of it...we were married for a good 4 years before we were married. the average marriage in the US is about 5 years. last time i read it. mine lasted seven months. but that shouldn't suggest that my wifes a crazy, just really misunderstood...alot actually. it was my fault. i miss her, but im glad we're not together anymore. anyway.. point being: word to the wise...dont ever get pressured to get married (knock on wood). find your soul mate.
i hope Alizee has a long lasting happy commitment with Jay.

and dont get married so young! at least wait til youre in your late 20s. thats how i see it now.

drink up....

Listen to Jon Auer, my friend. Songs from the Year of our Demise. He knows how you feel.

Everyone else should listen to that album, too. It's pure indie pop goodness.

[RMJ]

Originally Posted by DJ_Greg

I don't know about Finland, but in the U.S. it IS the spouse's call, if the patient cannot communicate for himself/herself. That's the law here.

But it should not be. You or I or most of the people here and everywhere are not capable of making such decisions.

Originally Posted by DJ_Greg

Doctors aren't machines. If they were as infallible as you claim, there would be no need for ethical reviews. Do I need to recite the long and tragic list of human rights violations by medical practitioners to convince you that your statement above is a bit too uncritical of doctors? They are people; they have ambitions and emotions and personality quirks. They don't deserve your blind faith any more some other person.

Of course they aren't machines. But they have greatly more knowledge of these things. And should be capable of doing their decisions without your help, or they have chosen wrong career, or haven't been educated enough.

Originally Posted by DJ_Greg

Unless, of course, your doctor is Alizée.

If she'd be my doctor, I'd be sick all the time just to see her.