Psychédélices Mexico Concert!

[Bigdan]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Bah! Whatever the critics said, the crowd obviously loved it.

Alizée does not, in my opinion, need to have a virtual orgy with the audience. It's enough for her to share her love, her spirit, and herself. Personally, I always felt the hyper-sexed stuff she sometimes did in the past struck a wrong note. By that I don't mean "wrong" in a moral sense, just not true to who she was.

You're right. That's was not a critic of her " new" behavior. Just a report on the gap she still have to fill, between the way she is seen and the way she want to appears.

(But, it was also the expression of my bafflement, on this unique journey in show buziness ; from hyper-sexed stuff to childishness .... )


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[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by Bigdan

(But, it was also the expression of my bafflement, on this unique journey in show buziness ; from hyper-sexed stuff to childishness .... )

Interesting. I don't know if you meant that the article called her performance "childish" or that you, yourself, find a childishness about it, but this does raise the question: Is there a childishness about Alizée's performance and material?

What exactly do we mean by that word, "childish"? Or, perhaps a better word would be "child-like," since "childish" is always an insult. Is there a child-like quality to the new Alizée?

"Child-like" could mean several different things. It could mean "immature," in the sense of irresponsible, selfish, undisciplined. But that's obviously not true and I doubt it's what the critics meant.

It could also mean an unsophisticated, simple and open pleasure taken in joys that an adult might sometimes be too jaded to enjoy. In that sense, it might be true, but I'll come back to this; it also might not be.

Finally, it could mean an openness about feelings, a trusting quality, that is common in children but not so common in adults, who build protective barriers around themselves and allow people inside those barriers only once they pass careful tests. And some people never lower the walls for anyone, and develop sophisticated masks and acting routines so that they can interact socially without risking real emotional contact.

And I would say that this last is certainly true. In that sense, Alizée's performance, and to a degree Alizée herself, is child-like. She has learned over the years to be more careful, and to maintain the protective walls better than in the past, but still, what you see is what you get, and the real her. Which is a lot of her charm. But it's a child-like charm, that's true.

And I think it's also somewhat true that she puts on a show that's less sophisticated than an older person might construct, but this is probably a result of the fact that she is still very young. It will change over time. I hope the openness never does, though.

There is some question of how commercially successful she can be with this, but so far she seems to be doing all right.

[Bigdan]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

What exactly do we mean by that word, "childish"? Or, perhaps a better word would be "child-like," since "childish" is always an insult. .

I'didn't know that childish was insulting. So I mean child-like.
Not in her interview, not in the way she lead her career.
But, literally, in this new tour. The Spanish article was refering to acrobats , Arlequins, and clowns.... ( that's was not a Russian addition, as I thought at first...).

Remembered the " en concert" set ? A giant high heel.
A message from... her? Mylène? Anyway, the meaning was clear. "I'm not twenty, I 'm still a teen, BUT I want to grown up, become a true women".

(Again, it's was maybe a Mylène idea.)


And now she is a mother, the background "artists" ( and the 50/60 video, I think) send another message :" I want to stay in a child universe, i dont' want to play the grown-up sexy girl no more..."

That's my feeling.







Anyway, when you see the first picture from Mexico concert, I must acknowledge that she's totally sexy... by her will or not !

[TheBarrett]

Not going into too much detail here, I think she's still great! She's still around, she's trying to please her fans, and all those hooligan critics that need some adjustment periods should just accept that she's back as she wants to be.

I think from what i've seen in this thread, she's done a great job, she's melted some hearts (some more than others!), and she's made a lot of collective fans happy, and still more to come!

[tbailey]

Alizee is childish but only relative to more serious acts (whatever that means)

people sometimes laugh or scoff at me for liking Alizee - but often those same people like Avril Levine secretly and listen to pop music but just not in front of their friends

it's not classical music but how boring would it be to just listen to classical music or more socially honored music genres all the time?

I think people are fooling themselves if they think they're too high-end to listen to pop music - it's fun and joyful. You only have one life might as well enjoy it

[TheBarrett]

Originally Posted by tbailey

Alizee is childish but only relative to more serious acts (whatever that means)

people sometimes laugh or scoff at me for liking Alizee - but often those same people like Avril Levine secretly and listen to pop music but just not in front of their friends

it's not classical music but how boring would it be to just listen to classical music or more socially honored music genres all the time?

I think people are fooling themselves if they think they're too high-end to listen to pop music - it's fun and joyful. You only have one life might as well enjoy it

I enjoy all sorts of music that I can, except one genre...which I really usually despise.

[tbailey]

Originally Posted by TheBarrett

I enjoy all sorts of music that I can, except one genre...which I really usually despise.

Country?
Jazz? (i personally do not like Jazz)
the Blues? (don't care for this too much either)
Classical music is pretty good when i need to study but other than that i rather listen to Alizee, dance music, pop, hip hop...

but i never categorically reject a genre - there's always a few exceptions

[TheBarrett]

Originally Posted by tbailey

Country?
Jazz? (i personally do not like Jazz)
the Blues? (don't care for this too much either)
Classical music is pretty good when i need to study but other than that i rather listen to Alizee, dance music, pop, hip hop...

but i never categorically reject a genre - there's always a few exceptions

Okay I do not like country for the reasons we all know, the singer always has to sound like some fart who just snorted cocaine, and there's always an annoying slide guitar that just kills everything. I normally don't like hip-hop, unless they use a sample of a song I like from another person, and the lyrics aren't sexually explicit and more message containing.

The Blues however I must disagree on you, the blues had the most profound effect on rock and roll, and you can hear its influence, specially in Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Who, Stones, Foghat, SRV, ZZ Top, Skynyrd, etc.

I totally dig foreign music, which is why I dig Alizée, aside from that there's always some Finntroll, Il Divo, Basshunter, etc. Of course you can pretty much sum up my constantly played music as Alizée and Dream Theater

[Zack -Alizee Lover-]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

I don't know if you meant that the article called her performance "childish" or that you, yourself, find a childishness about it, but this does raise the question: Is there a childishness about Alizée's performance and material?

Press did call her performances childish... They been attacking her.
Sure there is childishness in the performance... isnt it clear? Clowns and such?

[TheBarrett]

Originally Posted by Zack -Alizee Lover-

Press did call her performances childish... They been attacking her.
Sure there is childishness in the performance... isnt it clear? Clowns and such?

I think that's more of a whimsical and playful feel, sort of a dark theatric, similar to something...I just can't put my head on it.