How Degrading... - Page 3

AmericanFan · #21 10-22-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atra201

i just want to that i don't just want to "nail Alizee " just to stop any complaints about my previous comment
i totally agree with CFHollister
but about posing nude i think one's body is his or hers only and should not be shared except for that person and NOT the public

We are almost in agreement. While I FIRMLY believe a person's body is their own, they should have the right to do ANYTHING with it as they see fit... provided that it doesn't cause harm to others.
There are ways of posing nude that are quite beautiful, yet also ways that are absolutely disgusting. To clarify... compare some of the ancient statues and paintings to common porn. I'm sure anyone can see the difference.

AmericanFan · #22 10-22-2007, 04:37 PM

I wasn't quite clear in my last statement. I would like to add that old, fat, and/or ugly people should never pose nude under any circumstances! That is just wrong!

Joey_adore_Jung · #23 10-22-2007, 04:42 PM

i completely agree with the people that agree with CF, and I agree with CF himself. all in all, there are some rather great nude paintings and statues you'll see, say like the Venus De Milo if i can remember correctly. some paitings i have seen are rather nice, though most guys i see there, are thinking that the painter is a complete perv... really some of the painters work, he acutally respects that woman.

RMJ · #24 10-22-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanFan

I wasn't quite clear in my last statement. I would like to add that old, fat, and/or ugly people should never pose nude under any circumstances! That is just wrong!

So 99.99% people should never do that but should watch the rest of doing it and feel low because they aren't good enough to look like that ?

Very healthy image of you have...

But I guess it's not very surprising.

AmericanFan · #25 10-22-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RMJ

So 99.99% people should never do that but should watch the rest of doing it and feel low because they aren't good enough to look like that ?

Very healthy image of you have...

But I guess it's not very surprising.

Yep... that pretty much covers the basics. I guess what I'm trying to say is that... "If you've got it, flaunt it. If you haven't got it... PLEASE keep it private"!!!

Deepwaters · #26 10-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Having done skyclad (=naked) rituals with a wide variety of people, including some who were old, fat, or ugly, I don't agree with that, either, AF. Here, a quote from my novel in progress that's appropriate:

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Lightning is a big, hairy man. He's almost seven feet tall, and very big around. He must weigh close to three hundred pounds, and while a good bit of that is fat, there's plenty of muscle under there, too. When I say hairy, I mean all over, like a throwback to some primordial furry sapient. I joined him once for a skyclad ritual (that's witch talk for "unclothed" if you didn't know) and I can say that while the sight of a naked Lightning is not aesthetically appealing, it is certainly impressive.

Just separate the concept of nudity in your mind from sex. It's possible to be naked without being sexual, you know. And also possible to be sexual without being naked. Only the nudity taboo causes people to reflexively connect the two.

AmericanFan · #27 10-22-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Having done skyclad (=naked) rituals with a wide variety of people, including some who were old, fat, or ugly, I don't agree with that, either, AF. Here, a quote from my novel in progress that's appropriate:

Just separate the concept of nudity in your mind from sex. It's possible to be naked without being sexual, you know. And also possible to be sexual without being naked. Only the nudity taboo causes people to reflexively connect the two.

My last two comments were intended as sarcasm.

Deepwaters · #28 10-22-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanFan

My last two comments were intended as sarcasm.

OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. You might try applying appropriate smileys, since tone of voice doesn't convey in print.

espire · #29 10-22-2007, 05:31 PM

This is exactly why modesty can be so important sometimes. RMJ is right in that it's not fair for some people to be "allowed" to show off while other's aren't. However, it really isn't a good thing for anybody to show off to the extent that some do all of the time. It's distracting, and really does promote the idea of a person being a little bit of an object. A woman is much more than just something pretty, and focusing on that can lead focus away from other things.

Of course, Alizée has stated is that one of her favourite parts of performing is that she can wear things that she would normally never wear, and it's very true. The only issue she ever had with covering up was when her pants were riding rather low, and that seems to have been a phase in which she was trying to be like Jérémy.

Edit: Misinterpreted sarcasm, but I still stand by what I said in general.

AmericanFan · #30 10-22-2007, 05:38 PM

I believe I mentioned the same thing when I said that everyone should have the right to exploit themselves as long as it doesn't cause harm to others.

But again... if the person is old, fat, ugly or a combination of the three... unnecessary exposure could cause a chain reaction resulting in the end of civilization as we know it. Oh the humanity!