Does she have a deeper side?

[Lili4ever]

You make a good point. Maybe she has small circle of interests. But does that mean that she is immature ? I know plenty of mature people who couldn't care less about quantum mechanics or politics. But that doesn't mean that they are immature. They have families, work, spend evenings watching tv or going out. We shouldn't forget, that she did not have the typical childhood and teenage years. She was ripped out of school at the very young age and from then on, all she had to do for living was look sexy and shake her ass. But now we see that she didn't really enjoy that role. She dumped her Lolita image, despite all the money flowing in to her bank account and most professional managers one could dream of. We don't truly know her. Some people have a lot of things in their head but prefer to make small talk about fleeting subjects instead of vomiting their world views all over the place. Even the smartest person in the world could enjoy posting about outfits, pets and self-shots to pass the time. And those who forcefully talk about principles and philosophy can easily turn out to be small minded

Originally Posted by ALS

She may be immature and a little lackadaisical but she is a lot smarter than many people give her credit for.

Or maybe she just has people who pull the strings for her and give her advices ?

[Future Raptor Ace]

Originally Posted by ALS
She may be immature and a little lackadaisical but she is a lot smarter than many people give her credit for.

I dont understand how that can be said when we have no evidence to prove that statement in even the slightest bit.

[ALS]

You pick up on things here and there that point to her being a little brighter than she comes across as. I don't know how many women you are around or interact with daily but there is small group of them, that will intentionally act dingy, clueless and helpless to manipulate other people around them.

There are a whole lot of guys out there that are threatened by a strong woman as well as a highly intelligent woman. There is a lot more upstairs in Alizée's head than anyone is giving her credit for. Sure, she has everyone as you pointed out pulling the strings for her. Or she getting them to do the work she would rather not deal with on a personnel level? She goes shopping or lays on the beach while everyone around her is killing themselves making her look good. So who is the smart one?

Lackadaisical, immature, materialistic, add in the possibility of being manipulative and sly as a fox. Alizée has everyone bowing at her feet since she was fifteen and doing what ever they could to please her, do you really think it stopped or she would let it stop if she could help it?

Wait until you get out of college FRA and get a job in the business world you'll soon learn how really crafty some woman can be. You'll see them manipulate others to do their job for them while taking full credit for the work. BTW there are lot of people of both sexes that do this I'm just making the point using women.

Not one of us hangs around her or knows her personally so it is all speculation on everyone's part.

[Future Raptor Ace]

Originally Posted by ALS

You pick up on things here and there that point to her being a little brighter than she comes across as. I don't know how many women you are around or interact with daily but there is small group of them, that will intentionally act dingy, clueless and helpless to manipulate other people around them.

Like what, I surely haven't picked up on it? I don't interact with many women ... yes you got me; mind you my major is rocket science and out of the 50 or so people in my graduating class only about 5 are female. However I can tell you that these women are among the smartest people I have ever had the privilege to meet or probably ever will meet. They are much smarter than I could ever hope to be and they DO NOT intentionally act "dingy, clueless and helpless to manipulate other people around them" in the slightest bit! What you just said is insult to all intelligent women in the world and especially towards my colleagues who I have the up most respect towards. The only women ... no scratch that ... the only people who display what you posted are unintelligent people whose only means for survival in this world is to munch off of the talents of others. There is one member on this forum, I wont say her name but everyone knows her, who I can say is extremely brilliant and far wise beyond her years for sure. She definitely does not exhibit what you said; so it must be the women YOU hang around because the brilliant women I see act just like a brilliant person should! Now that that's out of the way lets get down to business here!

Originally Posted by ALS

There are a whole lot of guys out there that are threatened by a strong woman as well as a highly intelligent woman. There is a lot more upstairs in Alizée's head than anyone is giving her credit for. Sure, she has everyone as you pointed out pulling the strings for her. Or she getting them to do the work she would rather not deal with on a personnel level? She goes shopping or lays on the beach while everyone around her is killing themselves making her look good. So who is the smart one?

Speak for yourself, only weak men are intimidated by and try to put down a strong woman. All of those 5 women I mentioned before are stronger than me and a lot of my classmates and I are proud to say it and tip our caps towards them.
You keep saying "[t]here is a lot more upstairs in Alizée's head than anyone is giving her credit for" very nice; I hear you saying it ... I dont think anyone is doubting that you think it and im not even saying you are incorrect; I am saying you made a statement that "I feel" there is no evidence for and I am asking for evidence and your thoughts as to why you think your statement to be true. Snookie "goes shopping or lays on the beach while everyone around her is killing themselves making her look good. So who is the smart one" .... notice how I took exactly what you wrote and put it in front of an extremely unintelligent and equally horrible human being! So it is with that example I ask whats your point and how does that prove anything?

Originally Posted by ALS

Lackadaisical, immature, materialistic, add in the possibility of being manipulative and sly as a fox. Alizée has everyone bowing at her feet since she was fifteen and doing what ever they could to please her, do you really think it stopped or she would let it stop if she could help it?

You make her sound like a horrible person, not a smart one! Im not even going to say nor deny she is those horrible things because once again I don't have the evidence to make that conclusion; nor do you. What you are saying is an hypothesis .. no an opinion is a better choice of wording here, and you should make that clear instead of passing it along as fact. Plus I should point out that not EVERYONE is bowing at her feet, I certainly am not, therefore it cant be everyone.

Originally Posted by ALS

Wait until you get out of college FRA and get a job in the business world you'll soon learn how really crafty some woman can be. You'll see them manipulate others to do their job for them while taking full credit for the work. BTW there are lot of people of both sexes that do this I'm just making the point using women.

Dont make this personal buddy, plus can you really call what I go to school for "college" in that sense; it is very much the real world.
Once again you are going off on a sexist tangent. Im not saying some women dont do that, however some men do it too ... ok you admitted to that too: good. But that doesn't mean someone is intelligent. Hell I think a beautiful woman could get a lot of men to do things they normally wouldn't do; but that is due to ones submission to hormones and sexual desires not the manipulator's intelligence. Same goes with a good looking guy who appears very attractive to women; he can definitely do some manipulation on them. I see these types of people all the time (male and female) and mostly they are the biggest tools you will ever meet in this world. The reason being is the fact that they had everything handed to them their whole lives, everything they achieved was due to their looks and manipulation and not hard work, passion, desire, initiative, or talent and therefore they turn out to be a wasted brain and wasted parasite of a human that somehow is able to feed off of the better half of this world!

Originally Posted by ALS

Not one of us hangs around her or knows her personally so it is all speculation on everyone's part.

Boom ... there you go! That's all I wanted to hear and that is the only thing you said here that I can agree with!

[Euphoria]

Why does it matter so much? Because it ruins the fantasy of her?

[Jenny_HRO87]

it's always fascinating how deeply you guys analyse stuff.

ok I just quickly scanned your posts... so here are just me two cents and they might have not much to do with the above.

Yes, she's posting a lot of stuff about clothes, about Corsica, about pretty things, about going out bla bla.

But don't all celebs don't stuff like this? And also - does everyone really has to share his or her deepest thoughts?

Apart from that, instagram is full of random crap. I will never understand why it's so great to instagram your food...

Also - what do you want to see? A happy Alizée who is enjoying herself? Or a sad Alizée, lost in sad thoughts, upset? Before you post something you select. You can't tell they world all your deepest thoughts, worries etc. That's something for your friends, your family. Most times she simply wants to share the brighter side of her life with us. And so she chooses the things she's enjoying and who others might enjoy too, even if it is superficial stuff like clothes, jewellery etc. That doesn't make her a worse, less interesting etc. person. It's just a more "normal" side of her life. And it's the part of her daily life she wants to share with us, she wants her fans to know. How long have we waited for that? For years! And now when she does you aren't happy either...

I'm sure there is a deeper side, I mean everyone has a deeper side! But not everyone wants to share everything. You share a smile with the world. Not the oh-my-god-everything-sucks part. Ok ignore the last 2 sentences. That would be basically me when I would be famous. But I hope you see the point.

It could have been worse. She could be one of these celebs who posts the most embarrassing photos. So be happy that she posts this "superficial" stuff.

Also yes I know you love to speculate about her personality. We all do.

But face facts - we don't know her. We knows parts of a puzzle but not the whole picture. We know what she likes, we know a part of her because of her songs but we don't know the real Alizée. We don't know how she is when she's pissed, what makes her sad when she's alone and thinking about something and feel like you never be happy again. We don't know this part.

But we know how kind she is to her fans. How much she's enjoys the support. How lovely she's around kids. That she supports charity. That she has a big heart. And I don't see anything superficial in this.

[DrSmith]

Originally Posted by Jenny_HRO87

I'm sure there is a deeper side, I mean everyone has a deeper side! But not everyone wants to share everything.

Exactly.<limit>

[Un-rêve]

Fuck that's a beautiful post Jenny!!!

Only a woman could post such a beautiful thing.. well I enjoyed reading this thread but you just killed me with that.

[Jenny_HRO87]

Originally Posted by Un-rêve

Fuck that's a beautiful post Jenny!!!

Only a woman could post such a beautiful thing.. well I enjoyed reading this thread but you just killed me with that.

well that's a surprise... I was scared that you guys would find me really rude.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Quinetiam

Casse-toi, pauv'con

well that's nice...

[Corsaire]

Originally Posted by Jenny_HRO87

well that's a surprise... I was scared that you guys would find me really rude.

Jenny, there is nothing to worry about. We all have our own views on the subject and a forum is the right place to share and discuss.

For many, Alizée provides enough of (more than) what they expect in a singer to keep the interest going. Myself, I need more of what Alizée doesn’t seem able or willing to provide. The limitation is not Alizée’s behaviour or personality, the limitation is linked to my expectations. I have no problem with admitting that. Nevertheless, I think this is still an interesting topic. If no one would question any of Alizée’s behaviour or moves, we could close all forums and just visit her Facebook and Twitter for pictures and release dates. A forum is to discuss topics and discussing will inevitably oppose different opinions.

I have always said that the Alizée concept was a very complex matter to me. I would like to understand what makes her so attractive in the first place (and no, for me, this is not only physical). I am struggling to find out what I saw in her and why she is so intriguing to me. Why she is so alluring. That might not be easy to understand, but, although I moderately enjoy her voice and some of her songs, her singing career is not that interesting to me. I had great hopes to find out more about some deeper side to her when UEDS came out because Alizée suddenly publicly showed more maturity. But somehow, that deeper side has been washed away and since the mystery that characterized the early years also vanished, well, I am left with all this superficiality that I don’t really care about. But still, I can’t let go...

I thought I had discovered a strong, mysterious young woman who had the courage to reject an easy path to selling millions of records to maybe accomplish something more fulfilling on her own, but there might just have been an amazingly beautiful singer with a soothing voice. That is more than plenty for most of her fans, but it would be disappointing to me.