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Old 03-11-2010, 05:23 AM
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All right, Roman, I'll spill: click the link and it shows a bunch of dentist's signs in Peru that all feature a smiling, young Alizée. Vis à vis:


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Oh wow! Well, sorry, I didn't notice that that was a link. I thought it would be harder to find. That is... I don't even know where to start.

And dude, just 'cause it's called brain magazine... uh, have you looked at what else is on their site? It's not about being brainy.
Still haven't read it all yet, but...
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Would it make you happy that the industry likes your music or do you not care?
Alizée: Yes it would please me if they like something popular. Being popular doesn't mean something is not good. I am confident that one can be mainstream and do things of quality.
I find this a sad commentary on how perhaps Alizée has seen her previous work. I have heard of someone close to or maybe Alizée herself referring her previous stuff as just crappy pop music or something to that effect and indeed a lot of people think of it the same way people talk about Britney Spears. I know a guy who is a musican and he was like, 'oh yeah, crappy stuff like Britney Spears who can't even really sing that well. I'm a musician. I like real music.' I suppose being on her side of the fence she runs into a lot of musicians who have their opinions about what "quality" music is and find the general public (us) to be a bunch of uneducated saps who haven't a clue what good music is. You know, artistic types. Well, and at the same time as I was just kind of joking there, we who are not "artists" (however you care to define that) tend to think they are too much up their ... hoohaas ... about the whole thing. We just care about enjoying what we come across, usually without putting much effort into it. To make a long story short, I thought the first two albums she did were of the highest quality so far, though Psychédélices was certainly professionally produced. Maybe it's just a question of style. However, I get the impression that Alizée may not have or feel much respect for what she's done in the past. If so, I'm afraid she really missed/doesn't understand much of what was so great about it. Just as some people might focus in on solely the idea that she had a lot of children fans and that some of the lyrics were frivolous in nature, I'm afraid Alizée may see it that way as well. I also wonder if another aspect entirely eludes such people, which is that while music is great and we all really are very affected by certain music, the music itself only goes just so far. With Alizée it was everything put together into a great experience, a phenomenon that one can be enthralled by that goes well beyond the simple notes and lyrics. I was really moved by the beautiful notes and meaning of the lyrics in some songs. Somehow it seemed to mean something even if in reality it didn't really mean anything to her. Honestly, that's what's missing now. I don't as much get the feeling that the songs connect up to Alizée (even as a persona) much or that I can relate to them. Maybe that's something that is just out of her control and relates more to the audience than the creator, but that is a difference. And, I think it's a difference that Mylène understood. So, excuse me if I get defensive to criticism of Alizée's earlier work or any suggestion of it. I find it b.s. that they are even talking that way. Good music is that which I like and if there are "industry guys" who are so full of themselves that they think popular music can't be good (presumably because we are all lowly clueless commoners) they can bite me and I'm really sorry that Alizée has had to work amongst such people (or that she has had to face that kind of attitude). Having said that, of course, just because something is popular does not at all make me think it is good and I do understand that sometimes because of marketing and the way attention begets attention things that are mediocre get more popular than better stuff. I've heard good music being played in the halls of the Paris metro.

oops. sorry for the long rant
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:00 PM
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Talking "Hoohaas". Roman said "hoohaas"!

Don't be sorry, Roman - great stuff you write there. As you said, just because it's called "Brain" doesn't mean it's brainy. But this interview is a little bit more in-depth than many previous ones. I like that they asked her about the different contributors to the album, and we get to hear her impressions of these guys.

I also like your point about people describing themselves as "artists" and then being too much up their "...hoohaas". I definitely hear you there. I call Alizée an "artist", and I've argued in these pages why I think that. But when she (or anyone) calls her/himself "an artist", like she does in this article, that's when I start to worry about the "artist's" ego. Lady Gaga never hesitates to call herself an artist at every opportunity, but me, I call her a big self-promoter. (and I also call her Lady Gag.)

I guess I'd feel more comfortable about it if Alizée called herself a performer (as Barrett had said she was), or a singer, or something more humble. It seems that it should be up to the public to decide when titles like that are bestowed. At the same time, though, I must admit that being humble only gets one so far. If Lady Gag was humble, we'd never have heard of her at all! The same could be said for Madonna, Britney, lots of people.

Ultimately, then, I'm deciding that I think it's good Lili now calls herself "Artiste". That's definitely a difference from the Alizée of her early years. But I believe it means that she feels she's changed and grown that much. She shows the self-confidence now needed to compete in that pool filled with Brit, Madonna, Lady Gag, Lily Allen, P!nk, Rihanna, Shakira, Beyoncé, Avril, Nelly, Regina, and so many more.

The only question is - is there room in that pool for her to squeeze in? If not, she may have to get even tougher, pull some hair, throw some elbows. What I mean is, she's changed, obviously, but to really succeed internationally, she may have to change even more.
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Oh wow! Well, sorry, I didn't notice that that was a link. I thought it would be harder to find. That is... I don't even know where to start.

And dude, just 'cause it's called brain magazine... uh, have you looked at what else is on their site? It's not about being brainy.
Still haven't read it all yet, but...
I find this a sad commentary on how perhaps Alizée has seen her previous work. I have heard of someone close to or maybe Alizée herself referring her previous stuff as just crappy pop music or something to that effect and indeed a lot of people think of it the same way people talk about Britney Spears. I know a guy who is a musican and he was like, 'oh yeah, crappy stuff like Britney Spears who can't even really sing that well. I'm a musician. I like real music.' I suppose being on her side of the fence she runs into a lot of musicians who have their opinions about what "quality" music is and find the general public (us) to be a bunch of uneducated saps who haven't a clue what good music is. You know, artistic types. Well, and at the same time as I was just kind of joking there, we who are not "artists" (however you care to define that) tend to think they are too much up their ... hoohaas ... about the whole thing. We just care about enjoying what we come across, usually without putting much effort into it. To make a long story short, I thought the first two albums she did were of the highest quality so far, though Psychédélices was certainly professionally produced. Maybe it's just a question of style. However, I get the impression that Alizée may not have or feel much respect for what she's done in the past. If so, I'm afraid she really missed/doesn't understand much of what was so great about it. Just as some people might focus in on solely the idea that she had a lot of children fans and that some of the lyrics were frivolous in nature, I'm afraid Alizée may see it that way as well. I also wonder if another aspect entirely eludes such people, which is that while music is great and we all really are very affected by certain music, the music itself only goes just so far. With Alizée it was everything put together into a great experience, a phenomenon that one can be enthralled by that goes well beyond the simple notes and lyrics. I was really moved by the beautiful notes and meaning of the lyrics in some songs. Somehow it seemed to mean something even if in reality it didn't really mean anything to her. Honestly, that's what's missing now. I don't as much get the feeling that the songs connect up to Alizée (even as a persona) much or that I can relate to them. Maybe that's something that is just out of her control and relates more to the audience than the creator, but that is a difference. And, I think it's a difference that Mylène understood. So, excuse me if I get defensive to criticism of Alizée's earlier work or any suggestion of it. I find it b.s. that they are even talking that way. Good music is that which I like and if there are "industry guys" who are so full of themselves that they think popular music can't be good (presumably because we are all lowly clueless commoners) they can bite me and I'm really sorry that Alizée has had to work amongst such people (or that she has had to face that kind of attitude). Having said that, of course, just because something is popular does not at all make me think it is good and I do understand that sometimes because of marketing and the way attention begets attention things that are mediocre get more popular than better stuff. I've heard good music being played in the halls of the Paris metro.

oops. sorry for the long rant
Long rants are fine! And this one was quite interesting. Usually, due to time constraints, I tend to simply skim posts such as this. But this one had me enthralled... Amazing work! Oh, and I don't get the signs at all. Think they are trying to trick people to think that her teeth are THEIR work? Really? Because that is plain idiocy. Alizee has some popularity in Peru, right? It would be like an American dental office with pictures of some popular girl here. I don't know who is popular here, I don't listen to American music.
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