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babyblue558 · #**3101** 10-10-2010, 06:52 PM

My angle.... Alizée knew what she was doing and agreed with Mylène on the "sexy" aspect of some of her performances. However, either Alizée or Mylène made the very wise decision to limit it to "sexy" and not stray into "slutty". As she grew older, Alizée realised that it would be indecent for a soon-to-be mother to continue with this image, and that was one of the factors which led to their splitting (as well as the need to have more of an influence on her musical style / production etc). Just a theory of mine, not fact.

There's no way I'll believe what some people say that Alizée didn't realise what Mylène was doing in terms of sexiness / innuendo during her period as producer.

Deepwaters · #**3102** 10-10-2010, 07:08 PM

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As she grew older, Alizée realised that it would be indecent for a soon-to-be mother to continue with this image

My opinion is that if she did make that decision, it was a mistake. Her image needed to be mature, but not matronly. There's a difference between performance image and real life. When she's on stage, the fact that she's married and the fact that she's a mother are totally irrelevant. That's real-life stuff only.

Bigdan · #**3103** 10-10-2010, 07:44 PM

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My opinion is that if she did make that decision, it was a mistake. Her image needed to be mature, but not matronly. There's a difference between performance image and real life. When she's on stage, the fact that she's married and the fact that she's a mother are totally irrelevant. That's real-life stuff only.

I think about more than one factor on this decision :

-subconsciously, the fact of having a child did have an influence.

-She wanted to go away from Mylène's Lolita character. She associate the "sexyness" to this period. So she have to make a clear break.

-When you see what kind of image or video are still stuck to her name on the web, what kind of articles have been published on french magazine *, plus things we don't know about that could affect her ( like the Mexican "riot")
I can understand that she wanted to play "low profile" on her sexyness, seing what kind of reaction she can start with it.

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Most of you don't know that a major porn magazine made the cover with an Alizee lookalike in 2003. (I had never see that before with any other singer)...
I suppose it's not so easy to deal with this for a young girl...

Deepwaters · #**3104** 10-10-2010, 08:08 PM

I understand all that, Dan. But I noticed during her early performances after Psychédélices came out that she was seriously holding back. She wasn't making good contact with the audience, not reaching out to them the way she did in the old days. I had the feeling at the time that, while this problem went well beyond putting a lid on the sexiness, that was the main reason for the reticence. It was like, "How can I be sexy Alizée when I'm a married woman with a child?" Eros isn't just sex but life-energy overall, and so that block blocked everything. Of course I could have been misreading her, but that was how it seemed to me.

Lolita had to go, but not because it was sexy. It had to go because it only works for a teenager, which Alizée no longer is. Now she's not a sexy teenage girl, she's a sexy grown woman.

When she lets her energy out, men in the audience fall in love with her and women want to be her. That's her magic, or part of it. It's not just being sexy, but sexiness is woven all through it and part of it and she can't suppress that without suppressing all of it. When she suppresses it, she suppresses herself, and it's like only half of her energy is going into the performance.

So that's why I say that when she's performing, she needs to forget she has a husband and a daughter. She needs to make love to the audience through her voice, her movements, and her personality -- the last being the most important. She can do that. We've all seen her do it.

It's not that she needs to do anything overt; that would be out of character, crude, and wrong for her. It's all a matter of mindset. Jérémy is not on stage with her; Annily is not on stage with her; while she's up there, they don't exist. There's only her and the audience.

Bigdan · #**3105** 10-10-2010, 08:36 PM

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It's not that she needs to do anything overt; that would be out of character, crude, and wrong for her. It's all a matter of mindset. Jérémy is not on stage with her; Annily is not on stage with her; while she's up there, they don't exist. There's only her and the audience.

You don't have to convert me... but her !

I feel totally agree with that.

User22 · #**3106** 10-10-2010, 09:03 PM

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Grow up she wasn't forced to do that shit, she was 18 and I'm sure she enjoyed doing it. If it wasn't for her marriage and her child she might even still dance provocatively. Also don't lie to yourself, JEAM turns you on as it was meant to. Alizee is what, like 26 now, she is and never was as innocent as you fan boys think. She does well at keeping things pg/pg-13 rated and her personal life secret which I believe is what lures many of her fans. We don't know her, I'm tired of reading post on how Alizee would do this or wouldn't and how she is nothing but purity..... pshh. Have a good day, not mad just a little minor rant.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bread...

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So that's why I say that when she's performing, she needs to forget she has a husband and a daughter. She needs to make love to the audience through her voice, her movements, and her personality -- the last being the most important. She can do that. We've all seen her do it.

That is exactly what she needs to do. She needs to loosen up a bit and be a bit playful still like En Concert and Psych.

lefty12357 · #**3107** 10-10-2010, 09:57 PM

It's like the wall of protection she built around her private life has expanded into her artistic life. I think Alizée does not like being vulnerable in public, so she has gotten really good at guarding and protecting herself emotionally, perhaps too good. At least to the point where it interferes with her ability to connect with her audience on an emotional level. Maybe it even interferes with the business side of things, who knows.

But either way, when that emotional connection is there, then the magic happens. I've seen moments in some of the UEdS interviews when she has lightened up for a moment. It's like the sun coming out after a storm. I hope she can find a way to feel more at ease again in the public eye. Maybe if or when she starts doing concerts she will be able to loosen up. That's probably her best opportunity to do so.

Bigdan · #**3108** 10-10-2010, 10:18 PM

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I think Alizée does not like being vulnerable in public, so she has gotten really good at guarding and protecting herself emotionally, perhaps too good. At least to the point where it interferes with her ability to connect with her audience on an emotional level. Maybe it even interferes with the business side of things, who knows.

Totally agreed.
I like UEDS, but I remember an article of a music critic saying that she was somehow " absent from her own album".
Harsh but not totally wrong...

Deepwaters · #**3109** 10-10-2010, 11:58 PM

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You don't have to convert me... but her !

Actually, that's what I'm trying to do.

(Which probably means I should have posted in French.)

Rev · #**3110** 10-11-2010, 12:52 AM

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You don't have to convert me... but her !

I feel totally agree with that.

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Actually, that's what I'm trying to do.

(Which probably means I should have posted in French.)

It's not too late.

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It's like the wall of protection she built around her private life has expanded into her artistic life. I think Alizée does not like being vulnerable in public, so she has gotten really good at guarding and protecting herself emotionally, perhaps too good. At least to the point where it interferes with her ability to connect with her audience on an emotional level. Maybe it even interferes with the business side of things, who knows.

But either way, when that emotional connection is there, then the magic happens. I've seen moments in some of the UEdS interviews when she has lightened up for a moment. It's like the sun coming out after a storm. I hope she can find a way to feel more at ease again in the public eye. Maybe if or when she starts doing concerts she will be able to loosen up. That's probably her best opportunity to do so.

There was an amazing way that she used to connect with the audience that just does not seem to be as present now. I wonder if it is that the trust in total acceptance is now absent. She caught on so fast, and audiences loved her so much, that she could count on that love always being present. In turn, she simply opened up her heart and responded in kind, and her natural magnetism reached out to the audience.

It was a love affair and it was obvious.

Since her time off, and her break from Mylene, she has not had that in the same way. As Deep commented, she was holding herself back in the early performances, which was a pity as, without her sharing herself 100%, audiences would not have felt what they did before, and therefore would not have responded to the degree they did before. Also, her dancing and moving was a big part of her earlier performaces, and she did so with more audience interaction than she did later.

All of the above contributed to her stage "presence."

If she is going to be successful, she has to go out and risk it all. Maybe she has done this at her concerts, but this has not come through to the same degree as it used to in her appearances.